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>The OS that is more Unix than Unix.
http://9front.org/
They added a music player, torrent client, and console emulators.
It even has an amine mascot.....
Anyone here tried this shit?
ur gay fuk u faget
>>47618180
wtf did you say about me?
>that dust on the top of the head
At least clean up your chinese cartoon toy dolls before taking pictures of them
>>47618159
The added features make it only slightly more usable than Plan 9 as a daily driver, all-in-all. Still pretty cool, though.
So is anyone here running this yet?
>>47618398
Does their terminal use bash yet?
>>47618410
No it uses rc which looks more consistent than bash.
>>47618519
Yeah I know it uses rc, I'm not going to waste my time learning how to use another shell when there are so many other things that are more important for me to learn.
>>47618559
It should have no problem running BASH. People have even gotten x11 and firefox running on it.
Look up linuxemu
>>47618605
The terminal and the terminal emulator are the most powerful interfaces in an operating system. I'm not going to use an emulated terminal as my primary interface with my operating system. There is just too much potential for for something to get fucked up.
>>47618398
Yes, 3 machines running. 1 File Server, 1 CPU Server, 1 Terminal. Works flawlessly.
>>47618559
Not that hard to learn, the man page and paper on it are pretty concise.
>>47618655
So you want to use Plan 9 but don't want to try a new way of doing things?
You must be great at parties
>>47618410
>>47618410
Even without linuxemu, one can run 'ape/sh' and get more or less a standard posix sh. The whole ape posix compatibility layer makes porting and compiling *nix on plan9 a lot more straightforward.
>>47618673
>Yes, 3 machines running. 1 File Server, 1 CPU Server, 1 Terminal. Works flawlessly.
That's dope. What hardware? Post the output of sysinfo for extra cred
>>47618709
cat-v would find anon adorable
test
>>47618747
aww shit, you posting from a 9front vm or something?
>>47618728
I'll have to see about getting sysinfo later, not home at the moment.
FS server is a VM as of present, but used to run on an old Thinkcentre, not sure about the model
CPU server (with a backup fileserver for good measure and a tcp boot fs for the terminal) is on an HP Compaq dc7700p Minitower
Terminal is on a raspberry pi model B that can tcp boot or not depending on what I want.
I've run through various hardware, installing 9front to test compatibility, pxe boot runs off of the cpu server for extra goodness. The support is fantastic
>>47618559
>I'm not going to waste my time learning how to use another shell when there are so many other things that are more important for me to learn.
That's the spirit we're looking for, you're hired
> said no recruiter in your future ever
>>47618740
Who is running cat-v now? Still Eric Raymond?
>>47618924
_sl and khm keep it running afaik
>>47618605
linuxemu, equis, and vt. vt comes stock in 9front and linuxemu and equis are a 9p connection away.
>>47618434
>solaris
>ever
>cirno
>official mascot of plan 9
>cirno
>anime
heyyyyyy rofl
>>47618689
>That's sort of like saying it's very easy to learn the rules of chess. And indeed, in a few minutes, you can tell somebody the rules of chess. But of course, that's very different from saying you understand the implications of those rules and how to use those rules to become a masterful chess player.
>>47618709
I never said I wanted to use Plan 9, I am open to using Plan 9 if I have reason to believe it wouldn't require too much effort to learn.
>>47618720
I'll look into that.
>>47618740
That may be one of the best compliments I have gotten in a while.
What are the benefits of this over linux?
>It even has an amine mascot.....
Wait, isn't that a Tohou or something?
>>47619047
close enough, it's the same art style
>then again most /g/entlesirs are weebs
>>47618917
Plan 9 is completely unrelated to my field of study, while GNU/Linux isn't. While I do believe that acquiring new skills is good, I am currently focusing on skills that would actually be useful for me to know in my field.
>>47619055
>rules of chess
Yeah maybe, but the shell itself is simple enough that most things you do regularly are easily shorn down and accomplished
>too much effort
It has a learning curve, but most of that curve is un-learning
>>47619080
Touhou, cirno, yes
>>47619073
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/what_do_people_like_about_plan_9/index.html
this might be worth a quick read to get a general idea
>>47619131
then why be in this thread if it's not relevant to your interests
>>47619047
>>47619080
Cirno is 9front's mascot, a fork which is still developed.
>>47619176
I am interested in Plan 9, I just haven't gotten around to learning how to use it. If someone made an actual port of bash to it I'd pick it up immediately though.
>>47618559
>I'm not going to waste my time learning how to use another shell when there are so many other things that are more important for me to learn.
Why are you wasting your time on 4chan when there are so many other important things to learn?
>>47619125
>>47619205
But, why?How?
What do you use to edit text in plano 9
>>47619233
Acme you uneducated swine
>>47619228
Because cat-v are silly people who are not serious
Plan9's mascot is Glenda
>>47619251
Thought acme was a meme
>>47619166
Site doesn't load
>>47619223
My priorities in a nut shell
studying my field of study > maintenance of day to day life > recreation (like browsing 4chan) > things I plan on learning eventually (like Plan 9)
>>47619268
loads here
>>47618159
based cat-v
http://harmful.cat-v.org/political-correctness/girls-in-CS
>>47619233
Acme, Sam, or Hold for quick edits. I really want to get more into using Acme, the whole "text editor as a filesystem" thing sounds amazing. You can just use anything which edits or outputs text as a plugin, as long as it can edit the file representing the text.
Structural regular expressions also sound cool as hell and seem like a very good way of representing text.
>>47619251
>not using ed
>ever
>>47619262
Only if you prefer sam
>>47619276
Just like mine, but bullshitting on /g/ is on the top.
>>47618768
You can't post here because JS, you can post on tends->infinite-chan though.
>>47619261
*sane
>ftfy
>>47619314
linuxemu son
>>47619268
loads here as well
I'll wait for Hurd.
Is there any way to change the fonts? That's my only potential gripe (well, besides the 3-button mouse, but I understand and respect that decision at least). Anti-aliased fonts would be great too, but at least being able to change them to a different set of bitmaps would be alright.
>>47618786
What filesystem are you using? Fossil and venti seem really cool but a shitton to setup.
>>47619389
Microkernels are great if you goal is to write papers and procure funding for lazy grad students.
>>47619410
Yes, setting font=/lib/font/* or whatever in $home/lib/profile
>>47619338
Seriously nigga? I thought support was shaky at best, like a no support Wine. What browser do you use?
>>47619463
Nice, and 9front allows for/uses anti-aliased fonts?
>>47619413
I use cwfs64x on my file server, hjfs on cpu and terminals. Fossil and venti are more or less superceded by cwfs64x. hjfs is basically your standalone fossil. But cwfs and hjfs are better in pretty much every way, performance, interface, etc
>>47618434
>xp
>not retarded
I dual boot on one of my machines with it, but even I know its gay.
>>47619467
I've gotten Debian 7 running more or less fine bar a few bugs that keep apt-get from running. Just give it a filesystem that has build-essential pre-installed and rock it from source.
>browser is firefox
>>47619478
eeehhhh. I'm pretty sure someone made a 3rd party thing to use aa fonts, but bitmap is still the stock
>>47619211
You're fucking gay
>>47619488
xp was awesome nigga
>>47619516
No need to be rude, he's just a well-meaning technology enthusiast/hobbyist whose job involves technology and enjoys posting on a technology board, but just isn't interested in learning about new tech (even though he will hang out in threads discussing it and will complain about it).
>>47619520
Yes. WAS. It is garbage now along with everything else microshit does.
>>47619413
hjfs takes one command to setup and you're rolling, but the base is taken care of automatically on install
>>47619415
>write papers
>funding for lazy grade students
what is plan9?
>>47619484
Does cwfs do the same permanent storage thing? I was reading about the hashing block storage and it sounded really cool, I just don't have any practical use for it so I wouldn't notice any differences.
I have a combined CPU/File/auth at the moment but I want to setup a proper file server on a VPS at some point.
>>47619496
Oh right I didn't realise, it's like a chroot kinda thing?
>>47619553
>microshit
that's a real dank maymay you got there
>>47619573
>permanent storage
yes! permanent storage and cache!
There's not much difference to realize or worries about size, just think about it as if no file is ever deleted, it doesn't completely copy your 50GB blu ray rip every day, just doesn't delete it. rm'ing a file just makes it invisible to the current day/cache.
>>47619573
it is similar to chroot in many ways, yes. main difference is it emulates a kernel
>>47619611
Shit I didn't know that. cwfs is just the default 9front fs so that's what I have installed on my CPU and terminals. I'd like to run a diskless terminal as well. Why do you have hjfs on the other boxes?
To be honest the fs docs are pretty bad, especially the manpage naming. Kinda hard to figure out what is even used anymore.
>>47619544
I don't have a job, I'm a physics student. I am interested in Plan9, I think 9P is pretty cool. But I am just not interested enough in it to start using it anytime soon.
>>47619516
Eat shit
>>47619653
`lookman` is your friend. The fs docs aren't the best, but 9front by far has the best instructions. Between `lookman` and the papers in /sys/doc you should be able to manage though.
I really like all the distribution capabilities of Plan9 and how easy it is to do IPC but I haven't taken the time to actually use it a lot yet. Things like the plumber seem very cool as well and I'm kind of shocked people are not doing that in other systems as in depth as Plan9 does.
I'd really like to see more adoption and have it move up from a research OS to a general purpose one sometime. It doesn't seem too far fetched.
>>47619586
Great reply faggot. At least you admit XP is garbage now.
>>47619653
hjfs is cache-only, thus rm-ing deletes the file without backup or anything of the sort. hjfs is generally more light weight and easier to manage, simpler.
>>47619703
I meant specifically these two
http://man.aiju.de/4/fs
http://man.aiju.de/8/fs
But yeah, I'll take a look at things once I have time to set it up. I'm content with my cpu server for now.
While I'm here, does anyone use aan? It seems like the perfect thing I need but drawterm doesn't support it and I have not tested it properly with a bare metal terminal.
>>47619655
You're fucking gay
>>47619755
no u
>>47619748
Throw it on a proxmox VM, VPS, or a pi. Experiment with something lightweight and easy. Using a lightweight terminal and actually using plan9 forces you to learn and adapt to plan9 to a fuller extent
>>47619772
okay, kid.
>>47619770
The man pages might not be the best, but play around with lookman and see what you can find. The papers aren't half bad. CWFS is by far the more difficult of the two to wield, it takes some practice, but it's not too bad once you get used to it, hjfs is far easier to use and manage.
>aan
not too bad, I've used it a few times, hubfs might be worth looking into, but is flawed as well. If you want a full screen replacement you might be out of luck. There are ways to save windows etc using the rio filesystem hierarchy
>>47619832
You sure convinced me otherwise with that image macro and hot memes of yours.
>>47619856
okay, kid.
>>47618559
Then why are you in a Plan 9 thread?
>>47619878
see >>47619544
I'm mainly still here to debate with that faggot who doesn't know what an image macro is. Since he has besmirched me.
>>47618434
What if I want to be gay and smart?
Gentoo?
>>47619906
oh no your anonymous reputation on the internewtz is being besmirched, what ever shall ye do¿
>>47619913
>9legacy
>>47619915
okay, kid.
>Essential reading:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.pdf
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/names.pdf
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/fs/fs.pdf
>What Freedesktop.org, Poettering, de Icaza, and the Windows team should have been forced to read:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/net/net.pdf
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/auth.pdf
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/plumb.pdf
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/utf.pdf
>What the GCC authors should have been forced to read:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/comp.pdf
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/compiler.pdf
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/acidpaper.pdf
>A much better make:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/mk.pdf
>What the Wayland/X.org team should have been forced to read:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/8%C2%BD/8%C2%BD.pdf
>What the ZFS team should have been forced to read:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/venti/venti.pdf
>Shell scripting without an ad hoc ALGOL dialect:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/rc.pdf
>>47619946
if it were years ago I'd guess you were uriel, thank you for linking what others were too lazy to.
Might I add:
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/UNIX_to_Plan_9_command_translation/index.html
>>47619835
>not too bad, I've used it a few times, hubfs might be worth looking into, but is flawed as well. If you want a full screen replacement you might be out of luck. There are ways to save windows etc using the rio filesystem hierarchy
Yeah that's what I was looking for. I haven't been able to get a good overview for hubfs, I think I'll just need to play around with it.
I know, I could write a script to save /mnt/wsys. based plan9
I might try that. or work exclusively in acme and use dumps.
>>47620028
All of those are fairly valid paths to take. In the end I've just gotten in the habit of not needing it and using scripts/binding to shorten up common tasks that I could use to catch up to a place I was, but yes, there's no easy screen fix replacement.
>hubfs
yeah it just needs playing with. There is a page on the labs wiki on it
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/hubfs/index.html
"ideas within Plan 9 are reinvented, in a ... half-considered form about once an hour in the open source community"
truer than ever now with containers, which are just a form of static linking for people who believed the hype about dynamic linking and don't have good filesystems.
>>47619946
pdf is harmful.
>>47618159
>Using an OS programmed by people who aren't you
It's almost like you're allergic to freedom.
>>47620095
bind is by far the biggest thing I miss in Linux compared to Plan9
>>47620142
There should be non-pdf links, and there is /sys/doc
>>47620147
gr8 b8 m8
>>47620142
>http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/rc.pdf
s/.pdf/.ms
>>47620175
What bait?
>>47620147
You should let us take a look at the OS you wrote for yourself. I'd like some examples and direction to get inspiration from.
