Can someone tell me what the FUCK is going with intel and the lack of CPU performance gains?
Are they such jews to the point where they're holding back progress on purpose, or is it because AMD isn't pushing them? Or is it just fucking hard to get real performance gains at this point, since die shrinks are getting harder and harder?
I have a 2500k. There is LITERALLY ZERO reason to upgrade. It's like they don't even want your money.
>>47097484
I have a 2500k as well. Never felt the need to upgrade either. I also have a 4th gen i7 in another PC, but I don't really feel much difference (programming and gaming is what I mostly do on these).
Yes.
CAPITALIZING random letters MAKES you sure look LIKE a retard, OP
>>47097484
>or is it because AMD isn't pushing them
Yep
AMD is such a joke that they aren't any serious competition for Intel.
Maybe when AMD puts out a CPU that doesn't get wiped by an Intel with half the cores and a lower clock speed, then they'll have to start improving again.
>>47097536
> letters
Those are words, anon.
Depends on what you mean by performance :^)
They're working on thermal, power consumption and die size.
Right now there isn't a huge need for more processing power in consumer products. That will change but right now they're working on other performance metrics.
>>47097536
>I have AUTISM, this means I lack the SOCIAL GRACES or CRITICAL THOUGHT to know that when a text medium doesn't allow ITALICIZED or BOLD characters, CAPITALS are used for EMPHASIS
>>47097575
When the medium doesn't allow such formatting, you do it like *bold*, /italics/, _underscore_.
>>47097598
No, nobody does that
>>47097598
>*bold*, /italics/, _underscore_.
What manner of autism is this? Nobody does that.
>>47097484
It's honestly because amd sucks so bad
Maybe if they actually had competition things would be different
>>47097484
>Have 2500k.
>Upgrade to 4790k
WOW many performance gains.
>>47097622
>>47097608
If you were born before 1995, you would know that that was the de-facto standard for adding emphasis adding emphasis to plaintext in online communications.
>>47097598
you have exceeded the maximum allowance of autism please leave 4chan now
>>47097547
Lol alright what ever helps you sleep at night
>>47097598
The works of the greatest philosophers, writers and poets do not need random bold text, surely your posts do not need them.
>>47097647
>nobody uses my archaic method of communicating in plaintext
>I know, I'll insult them!
Also I've been using forums that allow basic formatting such as bolding or italics since like, 2003. I don't know what shitty forums you've been on.
>>47097691
>mailing lists
>IRC
>BBSes
>>47097703
Is your list of ancient methods of communication supposed to mean anything?
Nvidia and Qualcomm should get into the x86 cpu market
>>47097647
I've always felt -this- was the best manner of emphasis on 4chan. But it should be used sparingly. OP is a faggot.
>>47097703
Then at least use the right dates and let everyone know you're just some old fart that's better disregarded.
>>47097721
They can't. Only AMD and Intel are allowed to make x86 processors.
>>47097703
Even IRC has bold, italic and underscore (and even color) since mIRC or whatever introduced them in the 15. century.
>>47097715
>Ancient
2 of those 3 are still used to this day. And guess how people emphasis text? All caps is considered rude.
In fact, I'm looking at a mailing list message right now (which most FOSS projects use for general communication more than shit like forums), and guess what it uses for emphasis? As an added bonus, my mail client even automatically adds the intended formatting when displaying the message.
>>47097721
>implying the jews at Intel would ever give up the x86-64 and SSE patents
>>47097721
No, please. x86 is so full of legacy shit. People should work on new and streamlined instruction sets/architectures than shit from the 70s/80s.
>>47097764
good meme my friend
>>47097723
I've actually never seen that here before and I've been here for way longer than I should have.
moores law
>>47097730
I never thought of that. Why does Intel let AMD use its architecture?
>>47097805
they haven't kept up!
So is there any news as to what Intel plan to do <10nm? I think I read some shit about GaAs which is a pain in the ass to work with, do they even make 300mm GaAs wafers?
>>47097811
The US Government doesn't like monopolies. Also, AMD developed X86_64, which is the majority of what's used these days.
>>47097840
Also known as amd64 ;)
Nothing has changed
>>47097840
Why isn't x86 opened up?
I own a 2500k, but overclocking it is a real pain. Going to anything above 3.8 makes it reach critical temperature in an instant...
>>47097871
amen
2500k going strong
>>47097795
4chan is a big website. Anyone who says they have seen everything here is a dirty a fucking liar.
>>47097924
>4chan is a big website
for you
i7 2600k OC master race reporting.
>Still running with the stock cooler since release
Intel has no reason to make any serious gains because their only competition is a complete fucking joke in the CPU market. It's more profitable to just keep constantly making refreshes of refreshes.
It's the same shit in the GPU market.
>>47097924
I don't know man, I visit a few boards and can pretty much count on the same fucking threads to be in there every time with the same fucking meme images being posted every time.
Yet I still want to waste all my life here. I can't leave.
>>47097987
>mfw also still using the stock cooler
People lied to me, this shit is neither loud nor hot. I don't know about AMD stock coolers because I don't use their trash chips, but Intel's stock cooler with the copper baseplate is pretty gr8.
>>47098008
A lot of companies in various markets do this; maintain the status quo and just put out a new product every now and then with minimal performance increase, a fresh coat of paint and a new marketing scheme.
Until a competitor comes along and shakes up the market, then they release their secret weapon.
If they constantly released updates and product improvements then they'd have to innovate more often and spend more on R&D.
>>47098044
>>47098044
For a stock cooler it's magnificent. The only caveat is you must have a case with good airflow.
>>47097484
>have a 2500k. There is LITERALLY ZERO reason to upgrade
this is a meme thread, fuck you OP you tech illiterate retard
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>>47097484
>>47097515
>>47097914
>>47097987
my 4930K is way faster than your old shit
>>47098014
That's just it, you visit a few boards. There are massive differences in posting between many of the major boards. A lot of the 4chan "culture" of being an asshole, posting frogs, or calling people faggots and niggers isn't even a big thing on certain boards these days. Go on /a/ and try any of those. People are either over it or never got into it in the first place. You get on certain boards like /cgl/ and there's more reddit influence than 4chan at this point.
>>47098044
The stock cooler runs well, but I want to shoot whatever engineer designed those fucking clips.
>>47098008
>It's the same shit in the GPU market
>What is HBM
>>47097630
OP only thinks on clock speed.
>>47098215
What exactly is the big problem with the clips? I never really remove my cooler that much so maybe I wouldn't know but installing it has always been easy for me.
They believe in a fair market and healthy competition, so they're willfully slowing down progress so AMD has time to catch it.
> Don't play vidya
> Literally no reason to upgrade.
I'm pretty wealthy but I just can't find a good reason to upgrade. This pc is still adequately fast.
>>47098220
Call me when they get their heads out of their asses and go towards stacked DRAM.
>>47098247
>the temp on that 9200
Replace the thermal paste on that or something, jesus.
because intel has been focusing on power consumption so AMD and ARM don't pinch them out of the next big market (tablets and ultramobiles)
>>47098008
Why does this picture always bugs me ?
Unbelievable
>>47097484
I wanted a used 2500K, got a 3570K instead. Saved several 100 €s because todays CPUs arent worth it. The good thing are those Z97 chipsets,
>>47097871
I lol'd
>moar coars
>>47097721
Not x86. The desktop and server market, sure, but x86 sucks dick. We're going to have to ditch this legacy bullshit eventually, so we may as well make it soon.
>>47097721
>implying anyone can break into the CPU market
Kek, only reason AMD exists is because without them, Intel would be a monopoly. Intel and AMD have locked arms in Jewery, same with NVIDIA and AMD.
Which CPU in the $200-$250 range would you guys recommend? Upgrading from an E8400.
>>47097484
>Can someone tell me what the FUCK is going with intel and the lack of CPU performance gains?
Lack of competition on the high performance segment means that they don't need to work in that direction.
What they do have a lot of competition is the low-power segment, which is why Broadwell only has mobile and BGA chips announced so far.
>>47098435
>Upgrading from an E8400.
Did you also upgrade the MOBO? If not I would say get your hands on a Q6600.
>>47097598
is this /true/?
>>47098533
Planning to upgrade the motherboard too. Would AMD be a better choice in that price range?
>>47097484
>There is LITERALLY ZERO reason
I kinda want to upgrade for VT-d. Waiting to see what Skylake will give us.
>>47098558
Yes, go look at any mailing list for a linux distro or other FOSS project. Emphasis is added through *, /, or _, and caps are used very sparingly.
>>47098564
If your budget is $200-250 for just the CPU I would get an i5-4670, or the 4670k if you want to overclock.
>>47097900
Intel is really worried that in a market with an open x86 they would have to compete.
Even with just one competitor, AMD got off the leash once and was able to force Intel to abandon their plans for Itanium to extract more money from the market. Now they have AMD safely neutered, unable to release anything competitive on the high end, and unwilling to release anything disruptive on the low end because it would jeopardize their console business.
Think how different it would be if Nvidia was able to make x86 SOC chips? We'd be seeing Steam Machines this year with cheap single chip solutions capable of 1080p gaming, instead of the low end Steam Machines being built around Intel CPUs with separate Nvidia graphics chips.
>>47098672
Cool, thanks.
>>47098834
>Steam Machines this year with cheap single chip solutions capable of 1080p gaming
If only AMD would sort out the clusterfuck that is their Linux driver situation, they'd have a perfect application for their APUs.
>>47097653
The only AMD that can keep up with the latest intel processors cost as much as an intel processor, while burning more power and circuits. Not content with that alone, it requires liquid cooling just to operate.
Silicon is hitting it's limit. They've even said they're moving on from it in the not so distant future.
>muh gaymes
No on in the real world fucking cares.
>>47097484
they are an Israeli company that started by stealing trade secrets from IBM
their main factory is in israel OP
they are not like jews they literally are jews
>>47097484
I feel you OP. I went from a 2500k to a 5960x and I regret it. Hardly any gains.
>>47099599
>gains
Get off of the tech board, Lane. You pleb.
>>47099599
Why did you do that? I would have bought a 5820K and used my money for a fast GPU instead.
>>47099576
people who play games care.
People who play games pay the bill for a vast majority of R&D for technology that ends up benefiting everybody.
>>47099639
I would have stopped playing manchild games so I wouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars on loud and obnoxious computer hardware.
>>47097758
>muh ALL CAPS IS SHOUTING AND RUDE speech
fuck off pleb scum, forums have been dead for a long time now
>>47097547
They don't even compete in the same market segment. AMD is pretty good. What isn't serious competition for intel are the countless defunct companies that used to make CPUs.
>>47099639
Had some money and it was tax deductible. Thing is quite good but the performance isn't worth the cost. On multi threaded programs the performance is great though.
>>47099713
>AMD is pretty good
Maybe for poverty shitboxes.
Intel kinda gave up on desktop processors because the market moved towards smartphone processors.
>I have a 2500k. There is LITERALLY ZERO reason to upgrade. It's like they don't even want your money.
Nigga, look at benchmarks.
The performance is there, you just have ZERO NEED to upgrade, faggot.
>>47097484
because mobile is the future and they're working on improving power consumption so they could win the ARM war.
x86 already faster than ARM based processors so there's no real need to spend money on that.
>>47097871
Having worked with AMD and Intel personally, this is true of their emmployees. AMD is a bunch of fucktards
>>47097547
Current AMD chips barely have better single thread performance than conroe chips from 8 years ago. Wtf amd.
Still gaming on a core 2 duo. Come at me AMD.
The only thing that matters in real life is single core performance. This is limited by clock speed. It's stalled, silicon ain't getting faster.
>>47100635
Has it stalled because of silicon limits or because Intel stopped investing so much into improving it?
>>47097730
VIA stronk!
>>47100734
Don't forget cyrix
>>47098235
> double the number of parallel threads
> more cache
> support for faster memory
> increased energy efficiency
Wow, its those Joos just put a new label on it to get more sheckels from the sheep! hahahaha
>>47098247
yeah nah, that's a piece of shit
>>47100772
I only mentioned VIA because they can still make x86 CPUs.
Cyrix is kinda dead or VIA now.
>>47100683
Minimum transistor switching time
Thermal performance limits
These are the two big ones. Both of them can be overcome with current technology, but the price vs value just gets blown away.
>>47100906
>Thermal performance limits
Well onboard VRM and switching to paste instead of solder certainly didn't help.
>>47099550
Please tell me this is bait non of that is true...
X86 hit the cervix and cant go further
fab improvement is soo fucking hard to do now its got to end
I dont care if intel chips dont improve they do what we want
>>47101098
What's a cervix? Is that like a transistor?
I think R&D's next vector is not solely performance, as we pretty much have all we could ever need, but getting the same performance into a chip that can function while being cooled passively. Would be based as fuck having processor running maximum with just a heat-sink. I remember in 486 days when heat generation wasn't an issue. I guess this comes alongside current R&D efforts of minimizing power consumption
