Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are three ways to try Linux, you can:
1) Install a Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Dual-boot Linux with Windows/Mac (recommend if you want to learn more about Linux)
4) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)
If you are serious about switching to Linux and if you have Windows dual-booted, we recommend you use it exclusively for 2 weeks, and avoid Windows dual booting for that period of time, or it's likely you will start retreating back to windows instead of getting used to Linux as your new home and working onnmaking it feel the way you want it.
Before asking, please find the answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.
Resources:
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/
>>52349917
>>52349995
Help please.
>>52350629
What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux
Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux
What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic [it's reddit-tier] -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software
Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing
A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://gitgud.io/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript
Check out this page for any updates on the OP
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/
IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux
>>52350655
what? shitty apps guys picture used with a decent OP?
>>52350677
danke fampai
I use pass as my password manager but it's kind of annoying to have to enter my password every time I look at a password. I saw this on the website
>There will be a nice password input dialog using the standard gpg-agent (which can be configured to stay authenticated for several minutes), since all passwords are encrypted.
How do I set this up to be authenticated for longer?
>>52350629
>Friendly Linux Thread
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>52350655
>not posting the superior guide
>>52350828
https://superuser.com/questions/624343/keep-gnupg-credentials-cached-for-entire-user-session
literally the 12th result on ddg (not very good)
obvious change the time to whatever the fuck you want. and lrn2searchfam
>>52350942
Ok, thanks. I wasn't even sure what I needed to be searching for.
>>52350655
>>52350932
I thought arch was just a meme distro
>>52350891
http://ref.ochazuke.org/
>>52350970
Do you even know the definition of "meme"?
>>52350684
>>52350970
Shit, sorry. I wanted to post the correct image but it looks like I clicked the wrong one.
I'm so new I don't even know why Shitty Apps Guy is called that way.
>>52351064
:3 forgiven
reminder
>>52351064
nice bunneh. he's called this way because of a really shitty graphic with recommended "apps" that he used to post.
>>52350433
Well? Can anyone chime in?
>>52350891
http://ref.ochazuke.org/
>>52351031
Yes, it's when retards repeat something stupid and false ad nauseam because they think it's funny for people to stupid people to believe them and other people to believe they're stupid.
How do I get my side button on the mouse to act like a "back" button in the web browser. Using Firefox (this works as a default in the Windows version of Firefox)
>>52351152
what's so bad about this specific >>52350655 guide though? It's basically just a clean guide on how to set up a usable Arch installation (except for the optional Yaourt, infinality and Zsh) or am I missing something?
are there any pages like this but for gnome or fedora ? http://nanami-tan.info/
>>52350962
better shape up anon, we're not always gonna be there
>>52351243
>falling for the meme meme
>>>/r/eddit
>>52351285
nigger are you fucking blind?
>>52351004
>>52351279
map it to ALT+LEFT
>>52351281
It makes you stay dumb and you wount be able to install arch again without it.
>>52351281
the problem is that it can become outdated and nobody would notice until someone tries to use it. every time i post the beginners guide from the wiki i make a new screenshot of the page.
note that i don't even like arch, i just don't want people to be frustrated.
>>52351127
post the "worst kind of idiot" one
I've been changing my default route so it will use my wifi instead of the ethernet (which I use to connect to shares on the LAN). For some reason, it switches back automatically after some time has passed. Any idea what may be causing this?
it's linux mint, btw.
>>52351127
Hate to reply to a troll, but I've had good luck with arch! Haven't had any problems with it recently.
Help. What do?
I have Opensuse 13.1 and im trying to get this driver installed so I can finally have wifi. Ive tried a bunch of commands to do the makefile and ./config but im not doing it right.
>>52351613
Is it that hard to orientate your picture?
>>52351472
>>52351515
well that makes sense. I managed to install it after some time by following the official Arch guide, so at least I know some basic Unix CLI commands now.
Concerning Arch
I replaced my old mirrorlist with the new one via
mv mirrorlist mirrorlist.old (just to make sure)
mv mirrorlist.pacnew mirrorlist
and uncommenting every server from my country
there's nothing else to it, right?
>>52351004
Thank you so much
>>52351655
not him but here you go
>>52351655
It's been quite some time since 4chan has been striping EXIF data from uploaded pictures (to prevent le ebiccc doxxxx).
In some devices EXIF data contains info about orientation
>>52351655
Im on my phone so I don't know why it does that.
>>52351655
Help him instead of loosing your shit about the orientation of a picture, useless cunt.
>>52351778
>>52351808
Someone, who suck with technologies, must not browse /g/.
>>52351852
Someone, who is an unfriendly cunt like you, must not browse /flt/.
>>52351939
It's not a linux thing. So I can be a jerk.
I just wanted to tell you guys that i fucking love deadbeef.
> Gentoo Linux
> No digital sound output
Everything analog works like a dream, but like when I want to play a movie on my TV over an HDMI cable there's no sound whatsoever.
I've tried dozens of solutions off Google and nothing's working. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>52352263
Can it do album artwork on the playlist like this?
>>52352387
I'd recommend a normal distro.
>>52352387
Reinstall Gentoo
>>52352449
you can achieve this, yes.
>>52352454
Done that. I got bored.
I've put too many hours into this Gentoo install to abandon it now. This is the only issue that's still going.
Is there a good security guide for desktop Linux?
Specifically, executable whitelisting and such, similar to SRP on Windows.
>>52352387
Follow the wiki
check your use flags
try another cable
>>52352449
your space management looks wasteful
New to XFCE. Been trying to recreate the Unity layout (personal preference before anyone criticises my taste in toolbar layout) but am stumped for as to why the two toolbars overlap and fight for dominance.
Is there a fix for this?
>>52352614
make one of the panels have only ~90% length and move it to the side?
>>52352612
The art in the lower left follows the cursor in the album browser, not the playlist.
Otherwise, there's more than enough space anyway.
>>52352657
what rules does the cover in the middle follow?
>>52352657
>>52352612
>>52352449
>foobar2k
>in a /flt/
why would you use WINE for a music player? especially when you can make deadbeef look like it.
>>52352642
Tried. It won't line up with the other toolbar. My ideal scenario if this were the case is to have them sit snugly against eachother.
>>52352695
what resolution does your monitor have?
>>52352769
1920x1080.
>>52352694
I only posted mine because I wanted to know if deadbeef could replicate it, as I mostly use windows.
>>52352686
It's the album art for whatever song is listed on the right. I don't do random play very often so it works for me. I could see how it might get unwieldy if I were to listen to a bunch single songs from different albums or just shuffle two albums even.
>>52352614
>personal preference before anyone criticises my taste in toolbar layout
There's nothing to criticize.
Active toolbar-based workflow is actually very good and Ubuntu's vertical toolbar makes way more sense than OS X's horizontal one because it doesn't waste vertical space which you have way less than horizontal space on the most common monitor aspect ratios.
If it wasn't for absolutely mindboggling resource hogging (it's heavier than gnome), retarded application launcher (there's no reason to have icons so big) and built in amazon botnet Unity is a very decent desktop environment.
Hell it's the only distro that because of it's distro-specific DE has a very polished (albeit ugly as fuck) and consitent theme, both on gtk2, gtk3 and qt.
Is there anything else I need to do to make my intel graphics unit (Haswell-ULT integrated) usable other than installing the xf86-video-intel package?
This seems a bit out of the ordinary compared to the usual hide-n-seek of necessary drivers.
>computer bricked
>buying new one
>really tempted to give arch another shot but just not smart atm
last time i had it running and functional but matlab caused issues which fucked everything, went to xubuntu but kind of missed knowing exactly what i had installed and shit
is there nothing minimal that isn't rolling release? I will have to use AUR stuff and I just cant afford having it break at the wrong time
>>52352900
>is there nothing minimal distro
lel im tired
>>52352900
Install Gentoo.
If you're truly autistic, install Slackware.
>>52352686
better illustration.
>>52352801
that's the closest i got. not sure if there is any other way.
>>52352900
debian can be installed minimally and as both a point or a rolling release.
>>52352954
oh, alright that makes sense now. It wouldn't be very practical for me though because I mix and match any music I find.
>>52352950
i dont even have time for arch autism let alone gentoo
>>52352974
i keep reading about debian being an absolute mess when it comes to handling packages somehow, in the " at least its not like using [something] on debian" way which is why i havent looked at it, am i way off here?
>>52353022
>am i way off here?
you are, never had any issue that wasn't caused by myself.
>>52353038
how about installing proprietary stuff? as i understand debian is one of the more free distros
>>52352897
>intel graphics unit
you don't have to worry.
All Intel's GPU drivers for GNU/Linux are open source (they're not licensed under GPL) and therefore are included in the kernel and in repositories of most (if not all) distributions.
https://01.org/linuxgraphics
And because of that they're the only GPU brand that works out of the box.
So yeah, you're good to go.
>>52353058
you just need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list once and enable non-free and contrib. it's really not hard. you could also just use the non-free netinstall iso. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/
>>52353100
>All Intel's GPU drivers for GNU/Linux are open source
is this an elaborate plan the jews made up to gain control over the free as in freedom sector?
>>52353119
seems i had a lot of misconceptions, ill take a closer look t debian as an option then
thanks anon
>>52353142
probably, they are hardware kikes but their software is top-notch.
>>52353119
Why would anyone go GUN/Linux and then use nonfree software? That's like going into a brotel and fucking the guy on the door.
>>52353142
Maybe.
Intel pumps a lot of money into Linux because unlike other more average-joe-oriented manufacturers they saw money in it.
After all 6 from the top10 supercomputers are based on intel CPUs and coprocessor
Apparently it works for them enough to take care of proper support of all their hardware for Linux.
Backdoored piece of shit but hey - it works and that doesn't happen a lot.
>>52353207
because octave a shit
>>52353207
some people need non free drivers for their hardware to work. i don't like that it is this way but it is the reality.
>>52353207
hope you aren't using nonfree hardware then anon
The way I understand it you cannot use your mouse to move windows in tiling WMs, right?
>>52353257
In purely tiling? No
In hybrid? Ye, all you have to do is make the window float.
I have an old 300GB HDD that I want to install Mint and Kali on. I want the Mint GRUB to be the bootloader since the Kali GRUB background is so white you can't read the text in the upper-most lines.
What's the "correct" order of installation?
I remember I tried this a while ago, and I ended up with the Kali bootloader, but unable to boot into Kali (both entries pointed to Mint). I don't really know what happened, but a simple rough step-by-step guide would be nice. The installation itself is pretty easy, but I probably forgot to take something into account last time, which screwed everything up.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>52353257
You can, it's called floating mode.
How do I know what provider to pick for my drivers?
>>52353345
english
>>52353375
faggot
>>52353307
>>52353325
neat, looks like I'll be looking for a tiling WM.
What is the purpose of a dynamic WM when you can let your windows float in a tiling WM as well?
>>52353345
>provider?
what do you mean?
>>52353375
>>52353391
w-what?
You know what irks me most about GNU/Linux.
The GUI tools are simplified in order to to be user friendly, for everything else you have to use the terminal and edit config files.
Simple example, on most DEs you can't even change the monitor refresh rate, or compare the network adapter settings on Windows and most DEs.
Another example, in Windows by default my mouse wakes the computer by default, I know I can go in DM and disable that, on Linux it doesn't wake the computer by default, but if I had to change it I wouldn't have a clue where to look.
There is no middle ground like on Windows, there is no Device Manager.
>>52353423
faggot; homosexual
>>52353420
I wanted to download the xorg-server package, and it asked me what provider to pick for libgl and then again which one to pick for xf86-input-driver
>>52353441
This is why GUIs a shi. Made for being "userfriendly", they just give newbs the feel that GNU/Linux can't do anything. If you switch, learn 2 terminal. Once you get used to it, you will see that GUIs are completely useless bloat nobody really needs.
Someone has installed krita on debian testing/unstable already? On the stable installing it is not a problem (apt-get install) but on testing/unstable I've got a problem with dependencies which I cannot solve myself.
>>52353530
This is the kind of attitude that perpetuates the problem.
The users are frustrated, but can't do anything about it, and the GNU/Linux developers are too out of touch with the needs of their users.
>>52353441
First of all, Linux was never meant to me a free Windows.
>Simple example, on most DEs you can't even change the monitor refresh rate
?? Even gnome 2 had it, and we're talking year 2000.
> or compare the network adapter settings on Windows and most DEs.
I have no idea what do you mean by that.
NetworkManager provides functionality to inspect network adapter settings.
>Another example, in Windows by default my mouse wakes the computer by default, I know I can go in DM and disable that, on Linux it doesn't wake the computer by default, but if I had to change it I wouldn't have a clue where to look.
A non issue, also, first part of the post.
>There is no middle ground like on Windows, there is no Device Manager.
Once again, first line of my post
>>52353575
>The users are to lazy to read manuals and wikis
That's right.
GNU/Linux users should know, or willing to learn what a computer is and how it works. If someone just wants a facebook machine, they are better at windows.
>>52353441
computer wakeup should be handled by your BIOS/UEFI.
>>52353645
that's not true, the original poster complained about the transition from using it as a facebook machine and becoming a power user. mint works fine for tech-illiterates.
>>52353645
>>52353689
>made on imgur
Watermarked memes are instantly 0/10.
>>52353623
>First of all, Linux was never meant to me a free Windows.
And it will never be as popular unless it is a better and free Windows.
>Even gnome 2 had it
But does Gnome 3, or Unity, or Cinnamon?
>>52353645
That's just elitist bullshit, family
>If someone just wants a facebook machine, they are better at windows
No, that's exactly the problem, GNU/Linux is perfect for a facebook machine, but the moment you try to be a power user you are faced with a wall of wiki articles just to tweak something to your liking.
>>52353646
No thanks.
Maybe I don't want my wirsless keyboard and mouse to wake the computer, but just the wired ones. I'd rather have the fine grain options in the Device Manager than some big overriding setting in the BIOS.
I'm on Antergos and I installed Veracrypt. By default, Veracrypt uses the mount point /mnt/veracrypt1. Unfortunately, Caja (mate file manager) doesn't display the volumes that are mounted with Veracrypt.
The obvious workaround is to specify the mount point in Veracrypt to be /run/media/(username)/veracrypt1 , but it's annoying to be forced to do this every time.
Is there a workaround that would make this run smoother? I don't know how Caja "sees" new volumes that are mounted. Is there some other daemon that controls this, and can I add /mnt/* to that?
>>52353780
>But does Gnome 3, or Unity, or Cinnamon?
no idea but xfce has.
>>52353798
Symlinks ?
>>52353824
I know XFCE has it but it's pretty much the only one of the major DEs I think, at lest from what I've seen. On everything else I need to use xrandr.
My TV is 60Hz, but since I'm in Europe it just HAS to start at 50Hz by default, and my CRT is limited to 85Hz despite supporting far higher refresh rates.
According to the Archwiki LXqt is the next version of LXDE after Razor-qt and LXDE merged. Is there any point in installing LXDE still?
>>52353873
Hmm, just tried it. I made the symlink, it seems to work fine when manually going to it, but it doesn't automatically show up in Caja's Devices list after I mount
>>52353824
>801x700 GUI just for 2 commands
>xfce: lightweight
>>52353948
Actually I just realized that I can bookmark in Caja, so my volumes can populate under Bookmarks after mounting. That seems to work alright if there isn't a better solution.
I'm trying to set keybinds for openbox. What do I put down for the enter key? Enter and return doesn't work.
>>52353959
>autism: the post
>>52353780
>And it will never be as popular unless it is a better and free Windows.
Doesn't bother me at all.
Doesn't bother the companies that make profit out of it because they are not the target market and they couldn't afford it anyway.
And I'm fairly sure majority of the community treats it as something of tertiary priority.
I mean hell, we've had like what, 2 decades? If they wanted, we would be there. But we aren't, so obviously noone cares.
When the time comes it will be ready. But it has to come naturally, give it time to mature.
replacing sysvinit with systemd was a good start. Wen't smooth, everyone adopted it.
replacing xorg with wayland will be a good progress too. Modern implementation, gpu manufacturers already announcing support for it, backwards compatibility.
There is vulkan too, which gives hopes for more games in the future being developed for it.
EA is a big supporter and donator to the Vulkan project and EA alone means dozens of well established game titiles.
>But does Gnome 3, or Unity, or Cinnamon?
Have you even fucking tried or just taking shit out of your ass to keep us entertained?
>That's just elitist bullshit, family
Nothing elitist about it friend, apply yourself.
Can you imagine how huge drop in quality would all software suites get If developers focused on handholding the new user (which by the way doesn't give the slightest shit about linux) instead of providing features to the advanced user (which is the actual user and can appreciate the effort)?
>No, that's exactly the problem, GNU/Linux is perfect for a facebook machine, but the moment you try to be a power user you are faced with a wall of wiki articles just to tweak something to your liking.
On the other hand on Windows you can't tweak anything to your liking because it was never intended to be tweaked.
And if you can, you have to dwell through wikis, tutorials, shady russian sites with cracked dlls and tons of 3rd party software that you will use just once.
>>52354045
>If they wanted, we would be there. But we aren't, so obviously noone cares.
There is no anime face smug enough to describe what your post made me feel.
>>52354045
>Have you even fucking tried or just taking shit out of your ass to keep us entertained?
Holy fuck I just checked and for real, Gnome3 doesn't have a refresh rate setting in the display settings menu.
So yeah, sorry on that part.
Ridiculous.
Gnome2/MATE has it
XFCE has it
Fairly sure LXDE comes with one.
Gnome3 doesn't.
Holy fuck.
Does Linux have any advantiges if I want to program for embeded development kits like the NXP LPC1768?
>>52354045
Yeah you are being elitist, but your head is so far up your own ass you can't even see.
And yes, I am using Cinnamon and I've tried the other DEs I've listed.
I gave you examples of things I can easily change in Windows without effort and all you tell me is I can't custumize windows.
Obviously I can, at lest those things and it annoys me I can't in GNU/Linux in the same way.
>>52354100
Okay friend, you seem to care a lot.
What kind of contributions have you made to make GNU/Linux accessible to drooling tech-illiterate people as an everyday OS?
>>52354170
>I gave you examples of things I can easily change in Windows without effort and all you tell me is I can't custumize windows.
I already said sorry for the refresh part, >>52354147 used gnome3 maybe twice in my life and I never had the need to change the refresh rate.
Gnome developers are highly incompetent and you're right on the part where they don't listen to what the user wants.
> in the same way.
How many times do I have to repeat that Linux is not and will never be free Windows?
Windows DOES have a very simple way of doing those things you've mentioned because it's used in a COMPLETELY different environment than Linux it has VERY different userbase and as an OS developed by a company which is profit driven it DOES put the tech-inept user BEFORE the advanced user because the former simply makes up the largest portion of the consumer.
If there WAS a desperate need to make the examples you've listed (and I don't mean they're invalid opinions) it WOULD be made.
But it isn't!
Anyone know a quick, easy way to get xterm setup so I can paste from the clipboard onto the commandline from another program?
>>52354497
You highlit the text you want copied, you move your mouse to the xterm window and click middle mouse.
So in the previous thread I complained how I couldn't get networkmanager working. Nobody was really able to help me.
Well, the reason was that I wrote networkmanager in small letters, not with a capital N and M. Apparently it makes a big difference in loonix.
Now I have restored my will to learn and I'm thinking I should maybe try to rice Arch a bit further. Any tips? I'm not really ready for crazy window managers, but am rather looking for something easy to configure.
As a side note, if Arch had a graphical installer and did some of the basic things by itself like Debian, I wouldn't see running Arch more difficult than Windows. Everything is documented, sure, but it's also obscure and there's a lot of things to remember. I'm not saying Arch should have a Debian-like hands free installer, I'm just trying to point out that for basic operation this is pretty easy to set up.
I actually think Windows 10 is much harder to configure even though people see it as easy to set up. I think the problem is that while Windows comes with everything set up, it's too set up. You have to disable a lot of shit, the newer, the more work you have to do. And I guess the reason why Arch should remain a command line based installation is because the user gets to configure it just the way it should be configured.
TL;DR give ricing tips
>>52354578
>I should maybe try to rice Arch a bit further.
> but am rather looking for something easy to configure.
For what fucking purpose anon.
Jesus Christ why didn't you install a normal desktop oriented distribution?
It would save you a lot of the hassle.
Arch is for unemployed people without hobbies.
Thanks you all, Im a newbie and found your information incredibly helpful.
>>52354362
>it DOES put the tech-inept user BEFORE the advanced user
Editing config files and inputting commands in the terminal doesn't make you more a more advanced user than someone who edits the exact same settings with a GUI. Especially when both are something the illiterate users simply don't do.
There already are good and powerful GUI tools like gparted for example, it pretty much does everything and I don't have to go in the terminal and mount and mkfs and whatnot, nor does it take away YOUR ability to do it if it makes you feel so superior.
The difference is one method is immediately apparent to those who want to do it and the other isn't. If you can't see that then it just shows you're out of touch with what a lot of the potential users want.
What I and other potential users want doesn't diminish what you want.
I'm not here to bash GNU/Linux, I've been trying it out since 2005 and I've been using it as my main OS since 2014 and I want it to get at least as popular as OS X on the desktop so big companies like Adobe finally release fucking Photoshop for it.
>>52354542
god damn, my bad I assumed it would be harder than that.
It does kinda suck switching between a mouse gesture and a keyboard shortcut. I'll probably remap it later
>>52354678
>Editing config files and inputting commands in the terminal doesn't make you more a more advanced user than someone who edits the exact same settings with a GUI.
I didn't say that.
In your neverending whylenuxisntlikemuhwindows rant you've complained about things that cannot be changed with a simple point-and-click GUI and have to be made with a command line. Okay, sure I agree, there's no hiding that.
What you fail to realize is that all those things, operations call it whatever you want are done ONCE.
You install the system, you need this particular feature to be enabled, you do it, and forget this functionality ever existed for the next 3, 5, 10 years you will be using your OS.
ONCE anon, ONCE.
What you wrongly picked up as my attempt to act all hot shit about being able to edit a fucking text file in written in plain english was my attempt to bring focus to the fact that actions you do ONCE do not necessarily need their own graphical tool for it.
>There already are good and powerful GUI tools like gparted for example, it pretty much does everything and I don't have to go in the terminal and mount and mkfs and whatnot, nor does it take away YOUR ability to do it if it makes you feel so superior.
Elaborate graphical tools and frontends like gparted exist because partitioning a drive is a complex operation which if done with a command line requires knowledge and experience to be done successfuly and effectively. It also requires from the user to be able to imagine what the drive's current state is and what's the desired result. And that's a lot easier with a graphical representation of it.
>just shows you're out of touch with what a lot of the potential users want.
>potential users
Potential is the key word here. Just like media corporations accuse piracy for bringing loses on """""""potential sales""""""" you assume that if Linux had a graphical UI for every tiny piece of conf it would attract people that don't give a shit
cont
>>52354785
>It does kinda suck switching between a mouse gesture and a keyboard shortcut.
ctrl+insert for copy, shift+insert for paste
>>52354678
>it to get at least as popular as OS X on the desktop so big companies like Adobe finally release fucking Photoshop for it.
Never gonna happen, you can switch back to whatever you were using.
Adobe is not interested in making their creative suite tools available on linux for the public and the culprit is not "wahh it's hard" but "there are so many fucking distros of it".
Adobe products exist on Linux, they're available for commercial use under specialized batch licenses for media/entertainment corporations and so on, because Linux as a platform offers scalability and once a workstation is set up it's a very maintenance-free device. You just work on it.
Also computing farms.
>>52354578
>As a side note, if Arch had a graphical installer
Architect makes it (almost) as easy to install as ubuntu
http://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux/
>>52354642
I don't have any friends of a life so when I get off work I have all the free time to learn this stuff. But surely you would agree that you can't learn this in a day?
I started working at an electronics retailer recently and during my free time I browse /g/ instead of /o/. All the linux talk made me interested, and now I want to learn to use this sufficiently.
>>52354955
>What you fail to realize is that all those things, operations call it whatever you want are done ONCE.
First that's not really true.
Second don't you realize that's an even bigger argument AGAINST investing the time to read tons of wiki pages just to set up everything to your liking.
>Potential
It's true however.
A lot of mid-level Windows users are willing to switch, but there's still a deal breaker stopping them. And the biggest hurdles are lack of some software they need, and the fact that they'll have to invest a lot of time, only to end up with something less useful to them than what they already have with Windows.
>>52355053
Isn't there plenty of distro agnostic software out there? Pitivi comes to mind, I'm sure Adobe could do the same if they wanted to, same as Valve did with Steam, which was probably an even harder challenge.
>>52354678
>>52354955
>>52355053
>>52355196
But I do understand your concerns I'm just trying to explain that maybe in 10 years your questions will be answered. But as of today, they're not priority of many people.
Linux has a lot of problems that needs to be solved before we can move to the next goal.
If you want an example, Xorg is one of them. Ancient, insecure, cobbled togethere piece of trash that's a standard.
Poor support for multiple screens. Very poor driver support. Doesn't support screens with different DPIs.
systemd is a good piece to work on.
People can say all they want about it, they bash it with full force hurr botnet durrr poettering literally second hitler etc etc.
It's a monolithic piece of shit that will probably turn out to be very insecure in the future and on top of that it tries to do a lot of things at once and replace functionalities that before were handled by different software.
But in return in a very short period of time it made a Linux machine very easy to manage and by becoming a feature creep, replacing tools and forcing a lot of software to have a dependency on it it drastically decreased the fragmentation of the linux ecosystem. Right now difference between Ubuntu and Fedora are smaller than let's say 3 years ago.
systemd is exactly what Linux needs first so in the future we'll be able to adress your issues.
Who knows maybe in the future every DE will have a graphical frontend to systemctl and managing services will be done by clicking a checkmark.
>Isn't there plenty of distro agnostic software out there?
Sure you can. But you have to want to do it first. Adobe is afraid that it will not be worth the money to support multiple OSes on top of what they already do.
That's the issue I was talking about earier which projects like pulseaudio, systemd or wayland want to fix.
Comparing steam to photoshop is comparing apples to oranges. Steam doesn't cost money, you don't paid for the support you pay for when you purchase Photoshop.
>>52354678
If you like all your customization in a GUI I recommend using Enlightenment WM. Yeah, for some under-the-hood stuff you'll still have to edit config files but everything the WM is related to at all they made a GUI settings panel for. I think it's very underrated.
>>52355286
I don't think that one hinders the other, since it's different teams working on those projects.
Man, I'd pay real money for a Cinnamon desktop that works well, with compositing as buttery smooth as in Windows, and to be able to hook it up to a 4k TV and have my DPI scale up just for the TV etc.
>>52350629
I already did, its hard at the beginning and you don't feel confident but as you get used you start to like and want to keep using it.
I don't need much windows, is just for playing games, that's why i have dual boot but you can also download steam for ubuntu and play valve games like cs go.
I recommend to try.
I've got an old ubuntu precise box that I want to start a fresh centos install instead of attempting a huge update of kernel and packages but would like to create a backup image incase of fubar. The issue is the person before me setup raid 5 with lvm which makes the total size 3.6 terabytes and the largest size I have to hold a backup is 1T.
Normally for backup I use dd and pipe it into lgz for compression and keep the image handy so I can get the box functional if I fail to migrate to a functional newer system or recovering a configuration file for reference on how something was previously configure to help porting.
I could shrink the lvm partitions to ~1.6T and attempt it but I don't know how to segment a dd image into separate files.
Is there a nice backup utility that I could use to help accomplish what I need, or should I just sink some dough into 2 more TB of space to hold a backup image?
>>52351281
1. It's flawed
2. The Arch Install ISO is changing every month
3. The official install wiki is also changing every month
4. The author himself admits it doesn't look as professional (May be because of the color choice and horizontal orientation?)
>>52352614
Set the vertical panel length to ~96% if you are using 1366x768 screen
>>52350629
I've realised Plasma is the best DE right now
Going to install slackware tomorrow. What is a good libre replacement for xv?
I'm using the proprietary amd drivers.
Is there any reason to be doing this or should I just install the open source ones?
>>52355802
Depends on the card, but generally, the proprietary will have the best performance and feature support. If you want to make RMS proud, why stop at video drivers?
>>52352387
Arch, not Gentoo. Gentoo is like Arch but not good.
>>52352895
Agree with everything this anon said. I've heard you can dissect the botnet out of Unity however, is that true?
I remember that text files used to contain the first four lines of text in the thumbnail image. Since my new install, that's not happening anymore - the thumbnail just says "ABC" and some tiny lorem ipsum underneath (look at "notes.txt" in pic related). How do I get my fancy thumbnails back?
Using Mint Cinnamon 17.3 if it matters.
>>52353496
intel?
xf86-video-intel and mesa for libgl
amd (free)?
xf86-video-ati and mesa for libgl
amd (non-free)?
catalyst/fglrx i suppose, haven't looked into it in ages, probably has its own libgl implementation
nvidia (free)?
xf86-video-nouveau and mesa for libgl
nvidia (non-free)?
nvidia (typical package name) and nvidia's libgl
>>52353496
>>52356431
oh yea, as for input, typically just xf86-input-evdev is enough, add xf86-input-synaptics if you have a touchpad
FIXED HDMI
IT WAS UNDER PAVUCONTROLS CONFIGURATION
SET SOUND PROFILE TO HDMI/ANALOG
A FUCKING DROP-DOWN MENU
FOR GOD'S SAKE
I been using manjaro for almost 6 months, but now I interested in Arch, I know that manjaro is based on arch but what's the difference?
>>52356833
Dont switch, Manajaro is better. If you switch to Arch, you have to patch all nice things Manjaro provides out of the box yourself and your system may break at updates.
>>52356833
i can't take manjaro seriously since it looks like the homestuck logo
manjaro memes in 3.. 2.. 1..
>>52356742
Oh yeah, I probably could've told you that.
PavuControl is way more powerful than it looks like. I had the problem of my headphones not working until I checked a button and clicked a drop-down menu, too.
Good luck with the rest of your shit, anime gentoo guy.
>>52350841
he looks so free
>>52356833
If you're an experienced user with time to maintain your system, Arch is nice, but it's much more work.
Manjaro give you already pached packages, not in the Arch repos and is about 2 days behind the Arch repos to check for possible problematic updates, while Arch provides a simple commandline where you can install everything you need yourself, while being bleeding edge up-to-date.
>>52356996
Because his seat is respecting his freedoms.
Should I use ALSA or Pulse Audio?
>>52357194
Alsa comes with your kernel generally
Please help me /g/, I recently moved to Linux and Im experiencing a crackling noise when I use my USB headphones. I tried every possible conceivable fix to no avail. I'm seriously desperate, did anyone here experience this? Does anyone know a solution?
>>52357256
what distro
>>52356934
>implying manjaro isn't the meme.
>>52356833
try antergos, it's literally arch with all good things out of the box, the main difference between antergos and manjaro it's that manjaro has a release cycle, it's repos aren't exactly the same as arch's whereas antergos is a rolling release and uses the very same repositories than arch.
>>52357277
Ubuntu 15.10 Wily but this issue was also present in 14.04
>>52357323
or try debian sid because you actually need to use your system for urgent work sometimes but still want cutting edge.
>>52350629
A quick question about coreboot/libreboot
If you replace your BIOS with coreboot/libreboot are you still able to change various laptop settings that are present in the traditional BIOS? Because from all images I see of libreboot it looks a grub menu and only able to launch an operating system
>>52357412
>or try debian sid
Why not just use ubuntu at that point....
>>52357466
because debian sid is rolling release and isn't in Amazon's pocket, and it lets you choose some actually good DE's during install?
>>52357455
Personally, I'm too scared to try coreboot because my board isn't officially supported (asrock H77M) and I can't find a decent guide on porting it to new motherboards. I am pretty sure the biggest thing is setting up what addresses things are located at.
>>52357547
>isn't in Amazon's pocket,
INB4 botnet, dont use unity then?
>and it lets you choose some actually good DE's during install
Just pick the spin of ubuntu that fits your needs, Unity, KDE, GNOME,LXDE,MATE, all have a proper ubuntu spin.
>>52357571
Same, I wish BIOS ROM's were still socmeted so you could easily replace or rewrite a borked BIOS.
>>52357304
A meme is a rememorizable inside joke that reflects wisdom and truth.
Stop this
>he fell for the %s meme
fuckin' reddit.
When I do ls -l, some folders have 4k and some others have more bytes, why?
>>52357622
>just pic a non-rolling distro run by a company whose policies I do not respect
>>52357825
>just pic a non-rolling distro run by a company whose policies I do not respect
You can pick whatever the hell you want, i was just giving you valid options for the dilemma you presented
>>52357672
>rememorizable
Shut up stupid frogposter you don't know what the hell you are talking about
>>52357926
>stupid frogposter
This is what I'm taling about.
>>>/r/eddit with you and don't forget to update your facebook status.
>>52357867
I presented a dilemma with an obvious solution: I shilled for debian.
>>52357812
http://askubuntu.com/questions/186813/why-does-every-directory-have-a-size-4096-bytes-4-k
In a word, directories are just links to lists of files. So, your home folder "~" is just a link to a list of what's inside.
The minimum size of that list is determined in blocks of 4K. So, the size will be 4K or 8K or 12K and so on.
Put another way, the more the "ls" command prints out, the larger the "size" of the directory will be. Of course, it takes quite a large "list" for the size to take another block.
Take, for instance, /usr/include. That's 24K, and it's quite a big list.
If you ask me, nobody should use or tolerate anything from the shithole called Canonical Foundation, simply because the whole linux and gnu community roots in freedom and Ubuntu's amazon "accident" should not be forgiven. If we forgive, others may follow. I don't want to see a Linux 10 in the future.
No one should recommend Ubuntu for babbies first linux; instead people should get taught about why they should choose - as far as possible - to use free stuff.
There is literally no point in switching to linux when people run the same closed source spying botnet again.
>>52358006
Oh no, Choices!
I would presume a Ubuntu install would be a bit more stable than a Debian pulled straight from Sid, and be almost on parity since that's what Ubuntu is based off, but still retain feature parity.
>>52358039
>No one should recommend Ubuntu for babbies first linux; instead people should get taught about why they should choose - as far as possible - to use free stuff.
So they can limit their hardware software and feature options. Good idea.
>>52358038
Now I see, thank you very much senpai!
>>52358084
Nobody will ever reply to "free softwar? how about free hardware" bullshit except me. Enjoy.
>>52358116
>Nobody will ever reply to "free softwar? how about free hardware" bullshit except me. Enjoy.
What?
>>52351281
It's from reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/3ya67j/install_arch_infographic/
>>52358241
What's wrong with reddit?
>>52358241
>>52358276
Hello, newfag.
>>52358276
It's not the sekrit club 4chan, wher everyone is posting completely amonoymouse using TOR.
>>52358048
I have yet to experience any true difficult to fix problems in sid. After kernel updates needing to update proprietary drivers is the only true break I've had so far. Especially since apt-get upgrade warns you of known serious bugs in any packages you're upgrading.
I'm homoseuxal. Just FYI.
>>52358568
Do us a favor.
>>52357412
kek
even it's creator killed himself
>>52351281
It assumes you'd ever fucking want a desktop environment.
*rees eternally*
>>52353398
You can't in a tiling wm. You can in a dynamic.
help with msr? i have trisquel, it goes /dev/cpu with an uneadable file 'microcode' where all tutorisls say there shoule be another dir then the msr file.
im just trying to rightclock an eeepc...
>>52358945
>trisquel
>>52358945
>using a freetard distro
Your fault
>>52359011
wew thats quite a rare stallman shirt
also i thought this was a frirndly thread
inb4 pretending
>>52359065
>friendly
this is about the least friendly thread on this board m80
Hi /g/. For the last few days I have been attempting to install Debian 8(new to linux). Every time I attempt it though, I have fatal errors creating filesystems or installing grub bootloader. What I am thinking of doing is using killdisk to erase all the files from my failed installations and then manually install grub to my linux patition from the windows partition I have right now using SuperGrub(assuming I can finish the install process completely and the grub install fails again). Will this work?
Made a wallpaper version of this image.
>>52359127
If you can't partition your disk or install the bootloader from within Debian's installer, just boot into a live image with gparted and do it from there.
Also, you do not install grub to your Linux partition. You install it to the disk, i.e. to /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1.
>>52359178
Never thought of that. Most likely that is what I am doing wrong.
Stupid little question - What file manager besides Nautilus supports dragging files into folders such that by hovering over the folder with the file, I enter the folder and can then move the file to subfolders smoothly?
>>52359766
No idea why you would want that.
Just open a second window if you need to drag and drop.
>>52359177
Good stuff.
Well, went with number 4 and overwrote everything
But it's kubuntu so it's fine
>>52350629
I am looking for a script (or information on writing a script) that will automatically backup a specified directory to an external USB hard drive when said hard drive is plugged into a computer.
It needs to be able to compare the previous backup with the current status of the directory, only copying new files and files that have changed. I need this for two reasons: First, it uses less space on the external hard drive. Having multiple copies of the same data is terribly wasteful. Second, it would be significantly faster than copying everything each time the hard drive is plugged in.
Does such a thing exist? Is such a thing possible?
>>52356255
>Arch, not Gentoo.
Ubuntu, not Arch. Arch is like Ubuntu but not good.
>>52360139
> ubuntu, not arch
Fedora, not Ubuntu. Ubuntu is like Fedora but not good.
> implying Gentoo isn't the supreme distro among them
>>52360158
>memehat distro
>>52360136
just use rsync and an alias you type in when you plug whatever the fug in.
>>52360136
Get the UUID of the filesystem on your external drive, then write a udev rule to automatically mount it and rsync data to it when it's plugged in. You can even make it pop up desktop notifications when it starts and finishes the copy job.
>>52360171
> Memebuntu flavor
I know this isn't the right place to ask, but there aren't any better threads. Beyond installing Linux, what are some easy steps I can take to increase my privacy? Is Proton mail worth setting up?
>>52360248
The only mail you can fully trust is one that you run yourself, either on a physical server or a VPS, with full disk encryption. If you're not willing to do that, Proton mail is a good choice.
Uh, should I be encrypting my home folder? DOes this slow shit down?
>>52360248
> GPG
> Palemoon w/ Encrypted web, Umatrix, Ublock, self-destructing cookies
> HDD encryption (graphical installers give you this option easy-peasy; more involved distros make it naturally more involved)
> Curbing use of Facebook, Google, etc.
> Common Sense - be aware of what information you post
Hope I've helped.
>>52360177
It needs to be normie-proof.
I am building a file server / NAS for a family member. I want them to be able to back their shit up in the easiest, most painless way possible. Plugging in an external hard drive, walking away, coming back and unplugging it an hour later is easy.
>>52360229
Thanks. Does rsync do file checks so it only copies new data? I found an old article on linux.com about using udev rules to auto-start a script when a specific device is attached to the system. I can probably figure out that part. I wasn't sure about actually backing the data up.
>>52360277
Not encrypting your home folder approaches defeating the purpose of encrypting your drive.
I might slow things down a bit, but not enough to be of any consequence.
>>52360293
I presume you'd advise me to encrypt both?
>>52360278
>uBlock
>not specifying the Origin version
>>52360284
first guy here, yeah rsync does incremental backups.
but follow the advice in >>52360229 , didn't really get this involved in it, since i have only a few items to back up. but that's great advice and i'll be looking into it as well.
>>52360308
Yeah, encrypt everything but /boot, and even then I think there are ways of doing that, though I don't know how.
>>52360334
Thanks, I will definitely look into rsync.
I would actually use it on my own file server to back my data up.
>>52360229
Thanks again.
Maybe someday I'll share my script in one of these threads.
I'm having trouble getting mint onto a laptop
It seems grub isn't coming up and reinstalling doesn't help
I've tried wiping the boot partition and reinstalling but that doesn't do anything either. Recently on an installation attempt I've gotten "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed"
I suspect the bootloader isn't installing properly
Any suggestions on how to unfuck it?
>>52360284
>It needs to be normie-proof.
Just FYI, you can use a program called gxmessage to create a dialog window.printf "Backup complete.\n\nYou may now remove the drive." | gxmessage -title "NOTICE" -center -geometry 250x0 -wrap -file -
>getting laptop with windows preinstalled
>adding an ssd with linux
anything weird about dual booting if i keep them on separate drives?
>>52360410
No.
>>52360278
How is Umatrix in comparison to noscript. Is it better?
>>52359177
> he forgot the rating
>>52360419
Umatrix is significantly more thorough, though at the expense of requiring you to spend large amounts of time enabling things on each website the first time you visit. You only need to configure once, though.
I've found Noscript adequate, though Umatrix is more secure.
>>52360265
If setting up a mail server is easy, I'll probably end up doing it, since I have an extra box laying around running my Teamspeak server ( I might switch to mumble, since teamspeak has a known backdoor in it for the authors, I don't know how far reaching it is). Could I also run a home DNS server so my traffic never leaves my house? and are there any other worthwhile services I could run so the traffic stays in my hands?
>>52360278
What's different about Palemoon? I thought it was a meme browser around here. I'll get to configuring GPG and drive encryption. I already barely use facebook (I haven't posted a status in years, I keep it open on my phone with minimal info since my phones already part of the botnet so people who don't have/want my phone number can get a hold of me) I rarely use google on my personal machine, until I get a mail server/Proton mail, it's my primary email contact and cloud storage (Inconsequential stuff, like school work and such), I only use google search when startpage fails me.
>>52360449
>If setting up a mail server is easy
It's a lot more complicated than something like a web server, but it's do-able.
>Could I also run a home DNS server so my traffic never leaves my house?
I use Unbound, which is a caching DNS server, on my desktop. It finds the authoritative server for a domain and caches the results. I also run Bind9 on a VPS which is the authoritative DNS server for my domain names, as part of a dynamic DNS system that I've implemented with some bash scripts.
How would I go about installing GNU/Linux on Android devices? Is the Android's kernel exactly the same, with no modifications?
>>52360675
I'm not an expert on this topic, but I think the difficulty of running standard Linux distributions on Android devices is rooted in the fact that Android uses the Bionic C library instead of glibc. Therefore many binary-only Android drivers, including video drivers, won't run on a typical glibc-based distro. There's a compatibility layer that is supposed to solve this issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybris_(software)
>>52360675
install lil' debi
>>52357323
this, Antergos is non autism Arch
>>52360158
> Fedora, not Ubuntu
Mint, not Fedora. Fedora is like Mint but not good.
>warning: local is newer than core
I'm not prepared for this. Do I just need to rollback shit?
Affected packages are device-mapper, dhcpcd, lvm2 and pacman-mirrorlist(which I just updated to the new, better categorised one the other day)
In bash, what's the best way to get everything after the first space within a line?
>>52360763
>>52360795
Cheers. Will come back later to bug you about details.
>>52361553
Can you rephrase that question?
What does a complete Desktop Environment contain besides a Window Manager and a Display Manager?
The Arch wiki makes it sound like you can use only a WM if you want. What would that look like?
>>52361859
Say I want everything in $* except $1, for example. I want to find the first instance of a delimiter (a space in this case) and return everything after it.
I eventually discovered via Google that I can usecut -d ' ' -f 2-, but I'm not familiar with cut so I don't know why this works or whether or not thi is the best way to do it.
Is 7 GB enough to install a virtual machine like kvm/emu and a Win8.1 disk image onto Debian Linux?
I'm running Mint MATE, with proprietary nvidia drivers. Direct rendering is enabled and everything. The hardware is a core2duo e8400 and GTX610.
When I resize a window, CPU usage goes from 5% to 40% and it's not silky smooth like I think it ought to be. Is there some way I can find out if compiz is working properly?
>>52362091
What exactly a desktop environment includes depends on the desktop environment. They are kind of like distributions in that way. At the very least they include a panel, dock, launcher, or some combination thereof, in addition to a window manager. They also typically include various utilities and daemons for doing things related to the graphical system and some basic applications, like a file manager.
You can see a list of the core components of XFCE here:
http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/start
You can certainly use a window manager by itself, without those other components. You can even have an X session without a window manager, although that's not very useful.
It's possible to select the components of your graphical system individually, rather than as a pre-packaged environment. You can pick the WM you like, the panel you like, the file manager you like, and so on, until you have a system that you like.
There are lots of examples of what this can look like in the desktop thread. Personally, I use openbox, compton (a standalone compositor), and a dock which serves both as a launcher and a window switcher, conky (a system monitor), and that's it. It's all launched via ~/.xinitrc, which runs when X starts, X is started every time I log in on tty6, and I'm automatically logged in on tty6 at boot.
>>52362244
>Is there some way I can find out if compiz is working properly?
Yeah, try something else and see if you still have problems.
