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Hello /g/
I was hoping that we could talk about network area storage devices.
Does anyone know of a good NAS with at least 4 drive bays for the budget conscious shopper?
With 4 bays there is nothing for the budget conscious shopper, at least with a decent and not laggy monocore processor from the pleistocen age.
The only bang for the buck are the 2 bay ones, and they are fucking expensive for what they offer.
Your best solution is make your Nas yourself, pick a tiny motherboard, a tiny case with good storage expansion and budget processor with at least 2 cores. Or one of those mobos with integrated processor.
Drop there a FreeNAS, or Xpenology OS or whatever you like and you are good to go.
This is going to be my next step to retire my DS215j. After time looking for upgrades, build my own nas is the better solution.
>>55189199
Thanks for the recommendation, Anon.
Will a Pentium D do well or should I look at a lower power option?
>>55189657
A Pentium D is too old, and consumes a lot.
When I say 2 core, I mean 2 modern cores, a modern pentium, or celeron, or even a 2 hand semi-modern Xeon. Even an Atom will do the trick, but a pentim D is nothing more than a housefire Pentium 4 with 2 bad deployed cores.
>>55189657
>Will a Pentium D do well or should I look at a lower power option?
C2750 is your friend.
>>55189769
Same anon here.
Look for mainboards with the intel Celeron J1900 processor. It´s popular among low budget nas builders. It has 4 cores and will do the job way lot better than a dedicated cheap nas processor. Or the c2750 as >>55189797 says.
Just look the mainboards to have enoug sata ports, and them not to be sata3 and sata2
mixed. this, or buying a pcie sata card with enough ports.
>>55188779
Make your own out of spare parts or cheap shit on Amazon
>>55189199
>>55189769
>>55189833
Why is your English so fucking horrible? Jesus Christ.
>>55189871
Maybe because I´m not english or american?
>>55189769
Okay, I'll probably look into an LGA1366 Xeon or a cheap Atom board.
Do you guys know of any good ATX cases with a fair number of HDD slots?
>>55189904
Neither am I, and I also find your English appalling.
>>55190051
>LGA1366 Xeon
You're going to waste 60W idle on a NAS? You're stupid.
>>55190235
Can't I down clock the processor?
Rate my NAS build
HDDs are still missing, probably going to get WD RedPros
>>55190051
Bitfenix Prodigy has 5 bays and is pretty cheap
>>55190322
Thanks, but I wasn't really looking to go to ITX.
What is the recommended amount of RAM for a NAS?
Going to build a server that will double as a NAS.
>>55190258
No.
>>55190409
This is bait, right?
>>55190409
- Don't even spend the money on the NH-D14
- Buy a cheaper board, you don't need Wi-Fi
- Forgo the meme RAM. Buy some decent Samsung or Hynix shit off eBay.
- That power supply is extreme overkill. Just get a 430W Seasonic, at most.
Use the money you saved to get a good Intel NIC PCI-E card. NC360T or NC364T is what I'd go for.
>>55190177
At least I´m trying to help. Fuck you, idiot.
>>55190538
Your help is fucking garbage, though.
>>55190306
G1840 dont nave aesni instructions. So openvpn and disk encryption will be very slow.
G3900+H110 are newer and cost only few bucks more.
You dont need ssd for nas. Get sandisk cruzer fit 32/64gb
Get cheap 8gb crucial ddr4 stick
300w psu is too much. If you will have no more then 4 hdd go for http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-80-60W-power-kit
>>55190617
>G3900
DDR4 + 1151 Board + G3900 cost considerably more
I probably won't encrypt the disk anyway
>>55189797
400€ what the fuck.
>>55190617
>G1840 dont nave aesni instructions
So what?
>So openvpn and disk encryption will be very slow.
Bullshit. He didn't even say anything about OpenVPN and, even if he did, you won't have a problem with a VPN unless you're trying to get gigabit throughput.
>>55189871
Shut the fuck up if you don't help.
>>55190695
>gigabit throughput
kek, I have 1MBit/s upstream, kill me now
>>55190306
Interested in this too.Hallo Krautfreund.
>>55190617
>>55190656
But you're not wrong. It's sensible to invest in recent hardware.
Better? Not sure about the psu it's the only one they list at 65 waitt thoguh.
>>55191335
That RAM is expensive. You really don't need DDR4 or a G3900 for a fucking NAS. Go cheap as possible on everything. 65 watts isn't enough, though. Try more for 200. And don't use a USB stick, it'll die quickly if it's being written to constantly.
>>55191335
Gigabyte, asus and msi a somewhat better brands then asrock.
Older usb2 sandisk cruser is fine, but it's slower.
Zotac 251-09100 is a 19v brick power supply you idiot. You need a picopsu with 12v brick power supply.
>>55191438
The usb stick isn't ment to be written to constantly. I put freeNAS on it and that's it.
https://m.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/bf324d2214a2e92458a52e956b9a018f636c2fb5f8a66b48e72
>>55191721
>The usb stick isn't ment to be written to constantly
But it will be, because that's what an operating system does to its boot drive.
>>55191335
>so-dimm
>>55191721
My guy what the fuck is this? This case has no type of room for any drives. SO-DIMM? G3900? 8GB of RAM? FreeNAS? You're doing this shit wrong.
>>55191936
i m not OP, but gimme a decent build mate.
>>55190258
>Can't I down clock the processor?
Get the L family. They're much lower power.
>>55190409
For the same money you can buy an off lease server with 2 xeon CPUs, 24GB of ECC memory, Intel dp NIC and twelve 3.5" drive trays.
It doesn't make any sense to build one, especially from shitty consumer components.
>>55190668
>400€ what the fuck.
I paid $200 for a used supermicro server minus drives, in burgerland.
>>55192183
Even in europe?
Wouldn't xeons use much more power?
>>55190695
>Bullshit. He didn't even say anything about OpenVPN and, even if he did, you won't have a problem with a VPN unless you're trying to get gigabit throughput.
Just because your CPU will do it in software doesn't mean you should avoid hardware specialized to the task. Anyone would be dumb as fuck to buy a CPU without AES-NI or the AMD equivalent for anything but the most niche server roles right now.
Just get an HPE Microserver Gen8. 4 bays, decent CPU, free ILO... It has it all.
>>55191438
>That RAM is expensive. You really don't need DDR4 or a G3900 for a fucking NAS. Go cheap as possible on everything. 65 watts isn't enough, though. Try more for 200. And don't use a USB stick, it'll die quickly if it's being written to constantly.
You are terrible at this. Leave this thread.
Going DDR4 gives him access to more memory than DDR3. You want as much mem as possible in a NAS so you can do dedupe and write caching.
The OS is installed on the mem stick and is only accessed once a year when he has to reboot his NAS.
>>55191792
>>The usb stick isn't ment to be written to constantly
>But it will be, because that's what an operating system does to its boot drive.
Jesus fuck. GTFO. Learn about VMware and FreeNAS before you come back. There are very infrequent writes to either boot device. The most writes are when you instantiate a new machine in VMware. USB sticks last years as boot devices.
>>55192222
>Even in europe?
>Wouldn't xeons use much more power?
You all have been telling us how everything is much better in Europe but every time we have these threads the posters are poor and the hardware is expensive.
Go look at what used server class gear goes for. It's significantly better than any of the consumer crap in this thread.
>>55192286
This is an OK option.
>>55192306
>You want as much mem as possible in a NAS so you can do dedupe and write caching.
> budget conscious shopper
you're retarded
>>55192286
Only one with a g1610t and 4gb ram for 200€
>>55192286
The only available have less than >>55191335 for more shekels.
> budget conscious shopper
>NAS
Pick one
>>55192430
He wasn't replying to me, but I am curious as to whether RAM capacity has much affect on its performance.
DDR3 is about $10 for 4GB on ebay so it's not really a problem.
I was just wondering how much he was recommending.
I've always considered 8GB a healthy amount.
Will more be necessary?
Also, I have a modular Dell power supply.
How much more efficient are namebrand power supplies?
>>55192675
Heard somewhere 2 or 4 gb ram for the system and +1 for every hard-drive
>>55190538
>helping people on /g/
Shoulda told him to delete his os critical folders. People on here are fucking dicks.
>>55189871
all that english was perfectly understandable, literally nothing wrong with it. I would have guessed he was a native speaker
>>55192675
It doesn't. You don't need dedupe, you don't need FreeNAS. Just set up a simple Samba share and be fucking done with it, it's a home NAS.
>>55192722
Stop defending your trash.
>>55192745
I'm thinking maybe you just cant read.
Those three posts that were replied to about being broken English are perfectly fine. I'm a native speaker and I can find very few mistakes, none that actually affect the meaning communicated in the post. I wouldn't even have guessed that the poster was a non native speaker because honestly most native English speakers fuck up written language worse than that
whats the point of calling out a poster for bad english when his posts are in fact good english?
>>55192776
>>55192809
Samefag harder.
>>55192814
MAN WHAT THE FUCK
I wrote both those posts but only got one (You)
fucking this whole actual shit
>>55192847
No dude FUCK YOU
I literally wrote every single post in this thread, you dont get to just waltz in here and pretend you had something to do with it
>>55192847
There you go again, fucking up the English language.
Nas good for 4 drives most more price conscious. I've never have been able to sold nas through ebay four gigs a piece, is slow though
>>55192902
yeah i hear you brother
I dont know why people even bother with the 4 drive enclosure nas boxes, the two drive boxes are way cheaper and you can just connect more (less essential) drives through usb.
>>55192109
Thanks, Anon.
I forgot about the L and UL series.
>>55192940
He's talking about the L series 1366 Xeons and he's still an idiot for suggesting that.
Bought a fuyitsu tx1310 m1 for 600eur on amazon. 2 1tb hdds, 8gb ram good xeon. Added some old 2tb drives. I run nas, calibre mibrary, transmission download daemon, plex server, 3 minecraft servers for my son, owncloud, virtual windows on kvm.... and i got power to spare to let boinc crunch for wcg. Best 600 I ever spent.
I'm done with compact systems since all my shuttle's turned out shit. So step up and buy a real server.
>>55192736
Can you explain the benefits of dedupe?
What are the limitations of samba compared to freeNAS?
>>55193033
What's wrong with the low power varients?
>>55193127
>Can you explain the benefits of dedupe?
It saves space when you have a lot of duplicated data.
>What are the limitations of samba compared to freeNAS?
Samba is a network file system using SMB/CIFS protocols, FreeNAS is an OS that can do ZFS.
>>55188779
Planning to get picture related, I know maybe it's way too much just for NAS, but I was also looking forward to setup a home server and also a NAS with media in it. Would a HP Proliant Gen8 with a Xeon 1220v2 dual core be a good buy as a beginner server?
>>55193559
They're decent. How far are you looking to go?
>>55193473
I don't many duplicated files and I don't really need more space than what I can readily get a hold of.
So if I use samba, I won't be able to access the computer and drives directly?
>>55193588
basic stuff, was looking forward on some dlna server/transcoding for the media files, maybe a small webserver to try stuff and something like owncloud to keep up to date some documents.
>>55193623
Do you want a rack and rackmount stuff?
>>55193598
>So if I use samba, I won't be able to access the computer and drives directly?
I don't know what you mean by this. Are you wanting block level network storage or file level?
>>55193648
not for the time being, beyond storage I don't see myself upgrading to anything else anytime soon.
I started using linux a few months ago and wanted to learn more and switch from having a couple of network drives to something better for my movies/music/series and also learning more.
>>55193733
Then the G8 will be a good starting point that you won't hate if you never want to go further.
>>55190617
>G1840 dont nave aesni instructions. So openvpn and disk encryption will be very slow.
Even though AES-NI is a nice to have, it's not a necessity even with openvpn use. It won't be "very slow", but yeah you'd get a boost having a native HW aes support.
Naturally, your software would have to support aes ni as well and you have to configure your openvpn server to use it.
I run multiple openvpn servers without aes ni hardware and have no working outside my office.
>>55193765
that was my guess, thanks mate, probably will pull the trigger on that anytime soon.
>>55192395
IT-hardware has a premium in their prices in Yurup, its true.
I'll pay the 10% more for my CPUs just so that I won't be bankrupted if a Hillbilly-Joe crashes into my BMW and I have to stay in a hospital a week.
>>55191792
I've ran a nas4free server off an usb for three years now. 0 problems.
>>55193704
No, nothing like that.
I just want all computers with a hard connection access to the files.
What I was asking was, since it's not an OS, what will I see when I plug it into a monitor?
Is there a user interface?
>>55193931
Samba is a service and so it needs an operating system to be installed on. You can pretty much use whatever you want, it supports many operating systems. Ubuntu is popular with beginners since you can pretty much Google whatever problem and get answers. I would use CentOS if you're ok with reading manuals.
>>55193559 see
>>55193096
I allmost bought one to, but besides the nice hw layout, they are waaay overpriced . If you are looking for small ff , there are plenty other cases.
>>55193931
let nixie explain it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wUfzdiE4m8
>>55193968
How does it work with PCBSD?
>>55194129
>PCBSD
It supports BSD, so I imagine it would work fine. Why would you use PCBSD, though?
>>55194143
Freedoms and I've never been a big fan of Linux.
>>55194127
Don't follow this garbage, just RTFM.
>>55194151
Sure but why not just plain old FreeBSD?
>>55194054
actually where I live I could spend almost as much on a similar setup, difference being that it would be a regular intel gxxx dual core. I probably build something myself or buy something secondhand If I were in the states.
>>55194190
Is it fairly easy to configure?
I used OpenBSD a while back and I ran into some difficulties.
>>55194210
PCBSD is based on FreeBSD so I would imagine it would be familiar to you. I had no problem messing with FreeBSD under pfSense, but I have never touched PCBSD so I can't say for certain what your experience might be. How do you not know what Samba is?
I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm not buying this anytime soon, but I like to have an idea of what to look at before the actual purchase. There's also Zen in the horizon and some "consumer" server parts might be a good alternative.
NAS boxes aren't really my thing when I want all of this storage. The parts are of a nice homeserver and are definitely overkill for NAS only operations, but leaving encoding on another machine would definitely be great. I don't really like the idea of running a non redundant PSU, but I guess it can't be helped when I picked a desktop case. The last thing I'm missing is the OS, I guess Debian would be fine with ZFSoL, a RAIDz2 pool sounds good enough and it'll serve as another backup to half of the storage I have on the desktop:
>HDD Total Size: 19003.8GB (88.6% used)
>>55194291
DDR4 on a server is pointless when DDR3 is absolutely worthless at this point. Also buy whitelabel drives off eBay for far cheaper and you shouldn't need 650W for that.
>>55194283
I was just playing with it.
I've only recently started to get my shit together so I'm finally getting back into computers.
I've always been more into hardware than software anyway.
Thanks for all your help so far, Anon
Since I understand the differences now, why would I choose samba over FreeNAS?
Is it easier to work with?
>>55194388
Samba is about as easy as it gets. Point and click.
>>55194326
The memory prices are getting very close anon.
>whitelabel drives off eBay
No thanks. I don't even trust the REDs much less some drives of eBay of all places. That being said, I'm open to arguments in favor of them.
The PSU is obviously overkill even if I put a videocard in for NVENC, I'll edit it later.
>>55194426
Okay, I'll use it then.
Thanks again, Anon.
>>55194388
Not that other anon but it's piss easy on Linux. My desktop doubles as a NAS for other devices like my family's computers and tablets for mango anywhere on the house.
>>55194388
Samba = software/network protocol
Freenas = linux distribition (contains samba)
That aside , if you want more than just a nas, concider a friendly linux distribution with good documentation and big community. I chose ubuntu, but theres plenty of good ones. Just don't fall for the 1337 stuff.dont make it useless hard
>>55194449
>>whitelabel drives off eBay
What are these? I'm assuming they're just general purpose, light duty, drives?
>>55194388
FreeNAS requires things like ECC RAM, so investment in a FreeNAS box will be more expensive. Especially if you want low power consumption. Samba on whatever just seems like the best thing for you since it is very simple and you won't get caught up thinking about shit like zpools, resilvering, dedupe, etc, just so you can store your porn.
>>55194449
>The memory prices are getting very close anon.
What are you talking about? You can buy 8GB DDR3 sticks for like around 4 dollars, now.
>No thanks. I don't even trust the REDs much less some drives of eBay of all places.
Then buy REs. The whitelabel drives are cheap as fuck and are more than enough for home use, especially since last I checked they were actually WD REDs or REs.
>>55194477
They're unbranded.
>>55194542
>They're unbranded.
Yeesh, I can see why you'd be skeptical. Not my cup of tea, personally.
>>55194578
Hard drives are a commodity, dude.
PSA/Shilling for anyone wondering about software for a NAS
>get a Supermicro something
>E3 Xeon or used X56__
>no raid controller, just use plentiful sata ports
>install based SmartOS
>LDAP works flawlessly
>kernel mode CIFS works flawlessly, much faster than samba you can get line rate on 10GbE even with a low end processor
>ZFS actually works because its a real OS
>developers are opinionated as fuck so the whole experience and management tools work really well, no editing conf files and crossing your fingers
>literally zero install footprint, boots from USB or over PXE
>https://smartos.org/
>>55195301
>X series Westmere or E3 Xeon
>for a basic home NAS
Nigga.
>much faster than samba you can get line rate on 10GbE even with a low end processor
Literally no one asking /g/ about a NAS even knows what 10GbE is.
From what you're saying, it's a good product, but it doesn't fit the demographic in this thread.
>>55195301 Why not run solaris with native zfs?
>>55195453
ya, you could try out some of the other illumos "distros", like EON or Omni, the former being targeted for NAS use with a GUI. but what i really like about smartos is its strict usage patterns that make you setup things right the first time, then you're free to play around in zones as you see fit, the other distros don't quite set the stage so you end up trying to use it like linux which isn't a good idea.
strictly speaking, you can run it on any amd64 system, but they don't test it so who knows what could happen.
>>55195542
this is that.
>>55189199
This poster failed to mention that you will need to buy ECC compatible equipment if you care about your RAID's integrity at all.
>>55188779
If budget build your own with freenas
Is there a logical increments equivalent for NAS'?
>>55197512
Of course. It's called do your own research™. It's the same thing falcon does for the falconguide without mooching of /g/ in general.
>>55197545
I am doing my research on what I need, what things do and what not
I ask for more of a reference of how much of a budget you should spend on what and where
>>55197572
Come on anon, it depends on your usage. Maybe you want a huge RAIDz* array, maybe you want to setup a plex server, maybe you want to setup a game server. I don't know what you want.
>>55197603
Once you start doing anything but storage on it, it stops being a NAS.
Searched whole thread and no one said to just build a NAS with the U-NAS case?! It's 200$.
>>55197696
Add the asrock c2550d4l motherboard. 8 bay nas for about 500$ (plus drives).
>>55197806
>asrock c2550d4l motherboard.
Ridiculous overkill.
