>Anyone here actually have low-test and plan on going on self prescribed TRT if their doctors keep negating the evidence?
I'm 24 and in the mid 300s ng/dL, have had puffy pointy nipples since puberty and going to the gym since I was 18, gaining weight and losing it in my constant bulking and cutting without any results to account for. Hell, my max bench ever is 60Kg (thats 132lbs for those who don't understand metric). I also have trouble going through my day without trying to procrastinate or even get out of bed many mornings. I powered through university because I'm naturally curious and I like to learn, but many of my courses seemed to be pointless and I could only pass them through very ver hard to apply self discipline, ahting every single minute of it.
Before you ask, I'm not an aspie, I have a big group of friends, have had many girlfriends through the years and have had no problems overcoming any social issues I've had using the old "fake it till you make it" motto.
But my body is not getting where I want it to be, I look way younger than my age at 5'11" (spotted the manlet) and 165lbs, my skin is soft and 7 years of gym have only given me headaches as I see everyone progressing further than me in short amounts of time.
So:
>How to get on TRT at such "young" age legally?
>If not, am I ruining my future life by self treating and administering a 150mg/w dose through a sketchy source?
Lets hear your stories.
>>34998342
Low test you say?
I just took HRT and became the little girl.
I still lift tho, no homo.
>>34998413
I would like to take the reverse route if possible.
Have you actually tried to boost your natty test, once youre on testosterone, youll probably be on it for the rest of your life
Find a good GP that actually isn't a cunt.. Heard it's really rare especially in Aus
>>34998614
Did every lifestyle change possible. I've been going to the gym constantly, I sleep 8 hours every day (if I could I'd sleep more), I live a relativelly stress-free life and I've tried all the diet combinations possible to raise it, including IIFYM, high protein+high fat, broccoli and other veggies, zinc supplementation...
Still a bitchboy. I have an appointment with a urologist specialised in hypogonadism next week. He looks buff in the picture of his website so he probably pins and is open to prescribing it. Let's cross our fingers.
>>34998691
>I sleep 8 hours every day (if I could I'd sleep more)
I noticed this in the OP with the getting out of bed biz. You are not getting good sleep. It doesn't matter if you lie in your bed for 8 or 18 hours, if you have poor quality sleep it'll do nothing to help growth hormones or test production.
>>34998716
This. You need sleep hygiene, honey
>>34998653
I'm in Spain. Anabolics are highly regulated and law enforcement is constantly making busts at gyms and website warehouse, as well as mail-orders from abroad.
Two years ago I went to an endocrinologist, a woman who very very very reluctantly ordered the blood work after I insisted (in this case, I was trying to find a solution to my puffy nips). Of course, she downplayed the results (350ng/dl) and said that they were in the realm of what's considered "normal" (ffs, the lab report has a reference range of 164-810 ng/dl.) I had it on hold for these two years, trying everything to raise it and progress at the gym but here I am: at a 60kg squat, 90kg deadlift, 40 kg OHP and 60 kg bench. Never progressing past that, only gaining fat if I up my calories.
>>34998342
Well anon here is my perspective. I had some similar feelings to you in my 20s, though I didn't have pointy nips or anything directly indicative of a hormonal issue, just very thin and low muscle mass and amotivated and weak feeling all around in a way that working out didn't seem to fix.
Anyway, I went on TRT at 32 through a men's clinic. I'm about 34 now and definitely like myself on test better, but you have to keep in mind that it becomes pretty annoying to have to inject 2x weekly. The excitement has worn off so most times I'm sort of annoyed at having to do it, but I am getting quick at it.
I don't think I would have wanted to start injecting myself 2x weekly in my early 20s knowing I would be keeping it up basically for the rest of my life. You can get by on 1x a week injections but 2x is better for stable levels afaik. It isn't an issue for me because I have an Rx and so on but it's still a pain in the ass to travel or plan around it like a diabetic with insulin.
>>34998342
>if their doctors keep negating the evidence?
And how many years have you studied endocrinology?
Bodybuilding forums make me tilt so hard.
Listen to your doctor, your problems lie elsewhere.
>>34998745
If it makes you feel better, I had a similar result when I was tested but I was deadlifting 4plate and squatting 3 at the time (and after only lifting for a year) at 19 years old. I was on some antidepressants and had a weird diet at the time which may have affected my score but I know for sure that I am not high-T. Hasn't stopped me making gains or living a normal life
>>34998716
>>34998743
I have no problem falling asleep. When my gf stays over, she's always surprised at how quickly I enter deep sleep. I don't know if it is actually good sleep because I have no means of monitoring it, but I dream and remember what I dreamed about every time I go to bed.
It's the getting out of bed part what kills me. Some days when I don't have any responsibility I just skip class and stay in bed until I feel like doing some stuff and be at least a bit productive.
>>34998745
>at a 60kg squat, 90kg deadlift, 40 kg OHP and 60 kg bench. Never progressing past that, only gaining fat if I up my calories.
That's also your problem. Most of us have to gain some fat to get strong but you can lose it later.
You suffer from low self-esteem and mild depression my friend. Seek a therapist. Rethink your life. Find your passions. And for god's sake, stop blaming it on test you pseudo.
>>34998768
This. You're in the normal range, OP. Just because you're in the lower part doesn't mean that your test is too low.
And TRT will only up your levels by a bit, so you are more into the normal range. There will be no noticeable benefits. Your problems stem from elsewhere.
>>34998782
If you feel tired in the morning you haven't had enough sleep. And remembering the dreams you've had might be interrupted sleep.
There could be a few things causing it but try keeping a window open at night so you sleep in a cold room, not turning on lights and using an app like twilight to help your rhythm and not fuck up melatonin.
>>34998768
Diagnosis is diagnosis. A young male with an active and healthy lifestyle shouldn't have the testosterone levels of a 60 year old man. Also take into account the remaining puffy nipples from puberty, the lack of strenght progress (man, I could never do more than 2 pullups, even doing programs that included greasing the groove and busting sets of negatives), and being clear of upper body hair except in my armpits. Something is off, but they don't want to prescribe test because "hurr durr roids 2 get ripped" and moreso if they are no specifically educated in the issue or are female to begin with.
I don't need to be a detective to know that if the body was found in the trunk of your car and your semen inside of her, you probably raped and killed that girl.
Lex parsimoniae, bitch.
>>34998865
>A young male with an active and healthy lifestyle shouldn't have the testosterone levels of a 60 year old man
Don't you think that there would be age categories for test levels if it was that bad?
>lack of strenght progress
Eat more.
>they don't want to prescribe test because "hurr durr roids 2 get ripped"
That is wrong. The test they would describe you would not put you at above normal ranges. The reason they don't want to give you test is because it is unnecessary and can actually fuck up your hormone production and other stuff.
>>34998784
I already said that I bulked and cut tracking my macros and counting my calories by weighting everything that went inside my stomach. The results were a small gain in strenght (not linear by any means) and a huge increase of fat (love handles, face and butt). I started not being able to bench the bar and weighting less than 65Kg, but the progress has been very very slow just to stall at where I'm now. Compared to what I've seen in my many years of gym and in /fit/, things shouldn't be like this.
Don't imply I don't bust my ass off every workout only to see that once again, my lifts haven't improved and my body keeps looking the same or, if anything, softer and pudgier. It is frustrating but I never stopped going to the gym and keeping track of my diet. I can't imagine what I'd look like if I didn't care this much.
>>34998342
nah youre just shit at lifting m9
>>34998963
ok look. your form is SHIT, I mean absolutely awful. prove me wrong.
>>34998925
>Don't you think that there would be age categories for test levels if it was that bad?
Males make up 1/3rd of university students
85% of the homeless
80% of suicides
55%-75% of rape victims
99% of the prison population
if this was a problem, people would actually give a shit about doing something about it.
but nobody gives a shit about men, discussing any of this would distract from true gender equality for women
>>34998865
What's your free test levels?
>>34999028
Now I think you are fucked in the head.
But do whatever you like. It's your body and your money.
>>34998925
read this
>>34998963
I have done periods of up to 6 months of 500 to 1000kcal surplus tracking my macros neatly without gaining strenght. If I didn't feel like something is wrong I wouldn't be starting threads or making doctor appointments.
The age range is being debated in many websites, as well as the statistical data of how test levels keep decreasing every generation. Medical science is proving left and right that having optimal levels of test (anything above the average of all ages, at around 600ng/dl) leads to a better quality of life by increasing libido, muscle mass, bone density and general well being and decreasing the incidence of injuries, mental fogginess and negative perception of the self. Having low levels of test nowadays is "normal", but it no way is optimal or serves a benefit for the patient.
To those saying to search for therapy, I'm perfectly aware of my insecurities and problems, and every problem I've had in my life I've overcome it with dilligence and discipline like my father taught me. My family and friends know of my struggles and only one friend, who is a doctor, recommended me to go to an urologist intead of an endocrinologist because the progress and consensus in medical science takes ages to be rationalised and applied, so unless you are dealing with top of the line specialists, most doctors will work in the medical framework of the time when they graduated. Let's all remember that circumcisions are still done to newborns even though they should only be practised on those with phimosis and that until the mid 70's, homosexuality was considered a mental disease.
No-homo.
>>34999030
a bit over 10 pg/ml
>>34999114
Have you considered going trap mode?
>bloodwork done
>tfw 758 ng/dl natty test
Still can't grow a decent beard
>>34999101
>I have done periods of up to 6 months of 500 to 1000kcal surplus tracking my macros neatly without gaining strenght.
How much weight did you gain?
>The age range is being debated in many websites
Yeah, I'm sure random people on the internet know better than actual doctors.
>Having low levels of test nowadays is "normal", but it no way is optimal or serves a benefit for the patient.
And getting artificial test is expensive, tedious and can be damaging. Which is often in no way is optimal or serves a benefit for the patient
>>34998691
Looks like an easter egg through the foil.
>>34998342
My levels are similar to yours. Have benched 3 plate. Currently 85kg 6'1 10% (no estats)
I obviously don't know much about your situation, but listen to your doctor not some bodybuilding forum.
>procrastination
>soft skin
It looks like you're trying to blame all your problems on test.
Listen to this guy.
>>34999159
>>34998925
>>34999028
this is not me, the OP
>>34998973
>>34998986
You're moms are shite, lads. amirite?
Had the PTs at the gym (with degrees in physical science, one of them competing in oly lifting at national level) check my form and apart from my ankle mobility in my squats (I have to put two 1.25kg plates under my ankles), my form is spotless in my realm of strenght. If one week I did a set of 60Kg bench with perfect form, next week I'd try 65Kg with the same form and struggle to even get two reps, going straight to muscle failure.
Look, some of you don't have a problem with progressing and feel that what comes so easy for you in this field should be like that for everybody. I am not telling you to check your privilege, you fucking anabolic CIS scum. I bust my ass in every other aspect of my life. I'm succesful academically and in no way I am trying to lower the bar so that things go my way while I shame (I hate this word) those who are above me.
I feel this is a medical issue that is screwing with something I'd like to bee good at, with all the added benefits, of course. Who doesn't want to look good or reach some goals? Why are you here then?
>>34998745
If it makes you feel better that is around what I lift but I only got a membership like two months ago and I damaged my lower back for trail bike accident
>>34999244
>increasing by 5kg a week
How much are you eating / how much weight are you gaining?
>>34999238
>listen to your doctor not some bodybuilding forum.
>listen to this guy
Don't tell me what to do. You are that gains goblin they keep talking about around here.
>>34999159
Injectable test is literally 3 euros per vial with a prescription thanks to my fantastic socialist health system. My grandfather was a diabetic, my cousin is a diabetic, my ex girlfriend had a thyroid condition. They had to pin or take pills daily, and will have to for the rest of their lives. Of course it's tedious, but after a while it becomes routine and part of your life. The benefits they get from that "inconvenience" surely outweight the issues they'd have if they stopped taking it. About my weight gain, I went from the 65kg I was talking about when I was 18 to the ~73kg I'm around now. The highest I've been was 78kg, when I commited to not stopping for those 6 months with a surplus of ~700kcals. Never failed on my diet, always tracked the macros. Results: fatty butt and tits but no noticeable gains in strenght or lean size. Cut back most of the fat afterwards by again keeping the kcals in check and nailing my macros. If my progress had been a before-after sequence in an infomercial, nobody would buy my product.
>>34999131
Did you think I was making anything up?
>>34999416
listen to a gp
>never gonna make it
>>34999251
And you'll probably surpass me in no time. I only had an hernia when I was 7 and a broken arm when I was 11. The rest have always been minor thigs.
>>34999264
Now I'm at about 400 kcals over my TDEE. Gaining weight very slowly (around 2lbs or 1kg every two weeks), but then again, mostly fat. My arms are in a perpetual state of 13-14 inches.
>>34999244
Well look bud hit up the roid general. 24 isn't the stupidest age for ditching the natty card. You can blast 250 mg a week, have stupid test without having to cycle and no real health drawbacks except that you'll be on it forever.
But it'd be better to sort out anything and everything that's wrong first. EU is fairly easy to get test and make sure you have back up stock and est blockers and all that.
You could also try zma and selenium and saturated fats and cooling your nuts and forskolin and aspartic acid etc and see if anything makes a difference
>>34998342
OP this sounds a lot like my story when I first started out. I'm just gonna throw some questions out there, you can answer them or not, I'm just curious to see how you match up with me
Do you watch porn/masturbate frequently, and if so how much?
Do you smoke weed or drink a considerable amount of alcohol? If so, do you do so within a few hours of going to bed?
Do you have long legs/arms when compared to your torso?
How much water do you estimate you drink on a daily basis?
Pls respond truthfully. I'm trying to help, and if you lie it won't help either me or you. It is an anonymous message board, no one cares if you tell the truth. I used to be extremely weak (could only bench 55lbs) and I experienced very slow progress just like you
>>34999481
That's why I have an appointment with an urologist this week. If I can get it prescribed, I can justify having to be on it for life, travel abroad carrying it and renew the prescription without problems but if not I'd depend on sketchy sources, high prices, possible legal trouble and risking running out of it and experiencing a harsh comedown with my natural test production ruined.
I tried zinc, but only felt a difference in the amount of sperm I jizzed. Also a high animal fat diet without much to write home about. The rest of the things you mention sound like hokus pokus wizardry, but thanks anyway.
>>34998691
just fuck my shit up
>>34998716
Does sleep apnea count as bad sleep? In which case I'm fucked
>>34999535
What does it mean if you have long legs/arms compared to your torso?
>>34998925
There are age ranges actually.
And at the lower end of the test scale you can still be "normal" but have less test than the average 60 year old.
>>34999625
It means you fapped too much as a child.
>>34999591
Forskolin works in the opposite way to neutering, it increases sperm production and test. Aspartic acid increases adrenal test but it's not a great deal.
If you want to acutely decrease test I think red yeast rice can do it without too many health problems. But it sounds like you aren't borderline enough. Make a massive deal about not getting erections and maybe look up some other sides.
>>34999625
Shoulder problems or marfan?
>>34999621
>Does sleep apnea count
Yes. You can get a pap machine tho. Sometimes sleeping on your side helps
>>34999625
Well for legs I mean having really long femurs. This made it difficult to squat properly, and I had to do a ton of mobility exercises and form work, because the usual advice didn't seem to work well for me.
For arms I guess kind of the same thing. Long forearms/upper arms. I had to constantly tweak my bench form in order to protect my shoulders. For the longest time I benched without my scapulas retracted properly, and my progress suffered. For a lot of my friends with shorter arms, BP form comes a lot more naturally
>>34999655
Armchair doctor
>>34999608
yeahhh someone gets it
>>34999535
>>34999535
Not OP but
>Do you watch porn/masturbate frequently, and if so how much?
Kinda, some very rare weeks I go up to 20 times, some I don't do any
>Do you smoke weed or drink a considerable amount of alcohol? If so, do you do so within a few hours of going to bed?
Never smoked weed, haven't drunk alcohol in many many months. Only ever got drunk one time.
>Do you have long legs/arms when compared to your torso?
Yeah? Most likely from scapular tilt to the front/sides
>How much water do you estimate you drink on a daily basis?
2L at least
>>34999666
Marfan is a serious disease that can cause the long and ridiculous look, it's mostly a joke.
Shoulder problems is because a ton of idiots nowadays have poor posture from using the computer and it can lead to "long arms" compared to the torso.
Go call your mom armchair doctor.
>>34999535
I masturbate once a day unless I have one of those days that when you come home from class the only thing you want is to get into bed.
I smoke weed very rarely. A friend grows it and we smoke a joint together sometimes when I see him and we don't feel like going out so we watch movies and eat homemade pizza. Let's say I smoke once every month, with some periods longer than that. I drink a couple of beers at the weekends when I go out with my buddies (once a week). I never buy beer at home. Very very rarely drink 40º drinks and get wasted. If anything, I get drunk 3 times a year, and never passing out-drunk. Of course this happens at night and I go to bed with the buzz, but the worst case scenario is having a hangover that lasts until 5PM. When I got pubertal puffy nips I was 13 and of course I didn't smoke or drink.
I have long legs and arms. My proportions are more leg-dominant, but nothing like pic related.
I carry an inert alluminum 1.5l bottle around all day and drink from it. I drink about 1 and a half bottles and around 400ml of milk in my breakfast. I don't think that the dairy products are causing it because I have also tried periods of dairy-free diet and nothing changed.
I heard L-Carnitine is supposed to increase androgen (test) receptors.
>>34999666
>>34999689
Here satan, think this kind of shitty back/posture and think about what happens to your scapula and shoulders when you do it like this.
This can also lead to weakening muscles in the front (chest) AND back.
>>34998342
>tfw twice your age and twice the test
>>34998614
Natty testosterone boosting is a myth.
>>34999790
Lots of people gimp their testosterone production so it can work but it's incredibly inconsistent
![172_172[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cwMGtlU.jpg "172_172[3].jpg")
>>34999159
>And getting artificial test is expensive, tedious and can be damaging. Which is often in no way is optimal or serves a benefit for the patient
Expensive? Anyone claiming steroids to be expensive don't know shit about them in the first place.
Lets say you want to do a TRT on 250 mg a week. Getting the good brands would put that at a cost (basing that on swedish prices) of 5-6 euros per week. Even someone on welfare could afford that. If you would TRT on 125 mg test per week then that would be less than what most people make working 20 minutes.
>>34999806
No. There are ways to make it increase but the effects are low and has absolutely no effect on your results lifting or your general well being.
>>34998716
what's the difference between good and bad sleep, and how to achieve good sleep?
>>34999888
What you need is more deep sleep. I used to be tired all the time. Woke up several times every night. Dreamt all the time (REM - stage prior to waking). Started taking Lyrica (pfizer) which makes you go into deep sleep. Now I sleep 7 hours and wake up by my self feeling refreshed as ever.
Not the anon you replied to and I'm not saying you should start taking Lyrica. There are drug free remedies, but they only work if you believe that they will. Lyrica has changed my life from a walking zombie to someone who is alert and full of vigor. Sleep isn't really what's important, but the deep sleep is what is important.
>>34999683
>>34999704
>Kinda, some very rare weeks I go up to 20 times, some I don't do any
I know that some people think that nofap is a meme, but from my experience the past 3 weeks, it has been anything but placebo. I have fapped strictly to porn for 10 years of my life. While it started off as a pretty normal habit, it soon devolved into watching porn for literal hours per day. After only 4 weeks of completely abstaining from porn, and 3 weeks of masturbating only once weekly, my work in the gym has increased significantly. It used to tire me out to do 5x5 OHP with maybe a few sets of curls. Now I don't feel satisfied until I've done an entire upper body routine coupled with many sets of high-volume assistance work
Sexual satiety is a very real thing (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17268169)
There are more studies you can look into. Essentially, sexual satiety in rats led to them being unable to ejaculate, unless presented with a novel female, at which point they could only ejaculate once, at which point they were reduced to dormancy.
While you can't necessarily always extrapolate data from rats to humans, it is safe to say that many studies regarding rats have been rife with parallels to human behavior.
During sexual satiety, androgen receptors (receptors that accept testosterone and DHT, which greatly influence sexual behavior) in the brain drop, dopamine receptors become inactive (leading to a lack of motivation as productive habits become less and less rewarding).
It is my understanding that AR drops in the brain is directly correlated with male energy, muscle development, and overall productive behavior.
If this hasn't convinced you to experiment with NoFap (or at what I consider more important, NoPorn), I don't know what will. Try to abstain for 4 weeks, just as an experiment, and document your energy, motivation, and general mood levels. If you have noticed no improvement, THEN go to the doctor if you must.
Just my recent experience
>>34999946
>but they only work if you believe that they will
The main fucking definition of placebo.
>>34999535
Also not OP but I'm curious
>Do you watch porn/masturbate frequently, and if so how much?
Yes, typically at least twice a day
>Do you smoke weed or drink a considerable amount of alcohol? If so, do you do so within a few hours of going to bed?
Never been much of a drinker, but i've been smoking weed more and more often. Yeah before bed too.
>Do you have long legs/arms when compared to your torso?
Yep
How much water do you estimate you drink on a daily basis?
A fuckton. Not sure of the actual amount, but well over 8 glasses.
>>35000006
And it still works.
>>34999999
>>35000000
>>35000006
Who cares if you get better sleep tho?
>>34998342
I started off as lowtest skinnyfat, but ended up benching 160 kg in 3 years at 90 kg.
Are you absolutely sure you eat enough? Are you training at full capacity? What other physical activities do you do outside of lifting? I have a feeling your situation can be fixed without reverting to HRT.
>>34998784
No you don't. You can get stronger while staying the same weight, it's called a good program. You need a high bf to squat 400kg, not 60 ffs
OP here, posting a pic of myself so you see what I'm talking about.
This is what those many years of no progress amount for. P-please no bully.
I'm not showing my legs because they are as small as you'd think.
180cm/5'11" ------ 73Kg/160lbs
Let's hear your stories
Bait/10
>>35000158
> gain some fat
> high bf
Not the same thing by a long way you over compensating chubby
>>35000158
You almost convinced me to start eating like a pig
>>34999028
kek
>>34999028
Source on those?
If you're going to hop on then do it, if you're legit low test then 150-200mg a week will make a massive difference in your quality of life.
>>35000216
His ass.
>>35000026
I am this poster >>34999993
>Yes, typically at least twice a day
Refer to my post
>Never been much of a drinker, but i've been smoking weed more and more often. Yeah before bed too.
I used to be exactly like this. After quitting smoking, I started having more and more dreams, more vivid dreams, and I found that I could remember them more clearly. I also began waking up feeling more refreshed, and feeling as if I was actually asleep in bed rather than waking up from some sort of black void.
This was 3 years ago, maybe you have a different experience.
>Do you have long legs/arms when compared to your torso?
>Yep
This hindered my progress on squats and bench press. I had to tweak my form to be more appropriate for my proportions. (wider squat stance and more precise scapular retraction for BP, not too much and not too little, had to find the perfect sweet spot)
As for water, keep it up sounds good to me
>>35000216
https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures
here is some suicide figures.
I posted about male suicide on facebook (normie ree i know) on International Men's Day. 3 likes and no comments, people seriously don't give a shit
>>35000289
>3 likes and no comments
Sounds like all of your friends liked it, what's the issue?
I'm 23 and been diagnosed with low T in may, urologist put me on TRT as soon as blood tests came back.
Been on TestoGel (50mg a day) till july, he then wanted me to reduce the amount to about 4-5 times a week to see wether my body "woke up" (which he said happens sometimes), that didn't work and it fell back down relatively quickly.
i'm back on one sachet a day for past ~7-8 weeks again.
i didn't use it long enough to really see much of a difference about my physical appearance, but mentally, jesus, it has brought me back from the dead. after about 5 weeks you start feeling really good, totally worth it.
>>35000303
fuck you got me good
>>35000273
Thanks for the advice, senpai
low T dude here, I recently put out my 6 year progress video...
https://youtu.be/zsnh6zkeTxw
And heres some pics from the progress this past year...
http://imgur.com/a/I7U5a
Heres the original first 5 years that you can see a more noticable change. Goes from when I had all my dying crap going on to finally being able to work out again...
http://imgur.com/a/0TLwt
Ive had low T since at least the beginning of 2011. Maybe before then who knows wasnt regularly checked strangely enough with al my other health problems. I know I looked back one time and tried to find tests and i found a test when i was like maybe 20 or something and my total t was 400 or some bull shit. But no free T was checked. So who knows, but ya since 2011 its been checked more regularly and ive been fucked lol.
As for TRT etc, never have done anything like shots or test wise. I did try clomid before but it just raised my estrogen with it, and dosing arimidex is pretty hard as well. Ive tried lots of herbs and vitamins and sometimes my total T will rise, but nothing has ever risen my free T from being shit. I would take the shots but i just hate the idea of being on something the rest of my life, plus i read a lot of stories about that some people feel worse before then feel better and i cant imagine feeling worse lol.
As for how do you get TRT legally well you go to the doctor and have tests done obviously lol. I know for me myself my doctors made me test positive for it multiple times because they didnt beleive i could have low T with my amount of muscle and how young i am, so its a fight. BUt then like I said at the end of the day I ended up not taking anything so =/
>>35000354
oh ya forgot pic... so ya you can still build muscle but its hard and takes a lot of effort.
I take zinc but what are some natural ways to boost test?
>>35000395
No fap
fapping
zinc
vitamin D3
Sleep
lifting
>>34998810
/thread
>>35000354
You don't have a lot of mass, but I'd guess you have decent strength stats?
Please respond, need to confirm my suspicions.
>>35000535
oh well im sick been on disablity most my life now, i do mostly body weight stuff and bands etc. I cant physically lift heavy cuz of everything. im 5 11 175 pounds
