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Cheating frauds general

Perviously,
>>34870993
We had two different breads all day.

>chill out until the europoors wake up edition.
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Steroids are for lanklet miscarriages
>ayyyye lmao
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>>34885404
>We had two different breads all day.
we plg now
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>>34885445
2tru
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>>34885471
Shit was alright but...
Too many new trips on fraud threads desu senpai lad
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so fyi doing week 3 of 5/3/1 for deads while on 400mg dnp is fucking terrible, didn't lose any strength but man you feel like a sweaty, messy pile of shit after

thought I was going to die doing 3x15 kroc rows
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back up to 250.
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>>34885582
Thick, Solid, Tight
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>>34885351
>>34885367
Occasionally will I get something in frame other than a dog. I'm actually waiting for some more stuff to come in, I'm not even fully accessorized yet.
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What are the basics of steroids?
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>>34885630
>take steroids
>get big

can't think of anything more basic than that t b h
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>>34885630
eat clen, tren hard, always test yourself anavar give up
alternatively, ask someone for the pastebin
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>>34885643
>>34885644
What are all the different types of steroids? The best ones?
Side effects? How do counter the side effects?
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>>34885683
Test is basic but solid
Deca is good for mass, comes with some bloat
Tren is lean gains and bad sides
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>>34885702
>>34885644
>alternatively, ask someone for the pastebin

reddit /r steroids has a neat wiki btw(by the way)
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>>34885683
>What are all the different types of steroids? The best ones?
>Side effects? How do counter the side effects?
Amazing. It's 2015 and there are people on the internet who don't know how to actually use it.

If you have to ask these questions, you're not ready.
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>>34885683
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967930472?*Version*=1&*entries*=0
also
http://pastebin.com/ys7xXYkL
this is the possibly outdated one
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>>34885721
that is the newer one
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>>34885714
R/steroids reccomends EQ which is utter shit
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>>34885721
Das the new bin.

> tfw scared of posting in wrong thread again
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>>34885716
tbf Google is utter shit for this kind of information
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>>34885774
U avin a laugh m8
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>>34885716
Im for sure not ready. Just curious, that's why I'm asking questions.

>>34885721
That pastebin helped a ton. Does everyone use all of these drugs or are there different programs that only take certain drugs at a time?
Somebody give me an example of what they take
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>>34885804
Lurk these threads for a while you'll learn what you need to.
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>>34885774

not really, you're just terrible at figuring out what questions to ask and how to ask them
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>>34885404
Avin a giggle with us europeans mate?
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>>34885860
"how do I into roid"
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>>34885860
I meant for anecdotal info but yeah I have sympathy for fellow retards. Pls no bully senpai.
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man supps are expensive
sometimes I question the 11 supps I take everyday

>>34885582
thick solid tight
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>>34885731
>dismissing a pretty good beginner starting point because you disagree with one thing.

just begin with the 10th edition anabolics by william llewellyn
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>>34885903
>sometimes I question the 11 supps I take everyday

That's a shit ton. Are you into weebabo supps like tiger penis extract breh?
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>>34885952
Not saying theres no good info
But their cycle examples a shit
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>>34885953
only the purest tiger penis and rhino horn for me

no like coq10, d3, niacin, fishoil, multivit, etc
thats probably the most important ones, might not restock the others
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>>34885953
it racks up pretty goddamn fast
D3, iron, zinc, rehydration salts, creatine, whey, preworkout, multivit, niacin, Q10, fishoil are like basics
then if you get into nootropics and other shit like that you instantly stack a couple
I got a fucking closet just for this shit so people that come into my apt don't instantly bail at the piles of supp boxes and powder bags
a friend has about 30 or so though he is into the powdered rhino penis stuff so half his stuff is herbal whatevers
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>>34885953
>ywn live on a tropical island with these three women
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tfw don't need steroids
sorry, couldn't find a cbt thread
this was the next best thing
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>>34885887

scientifically rigorous, reproducible, well-analyzed studies are the framework for our modern understanding of steroids

anecdotal information fleshes out the framework of scientific information with first person accounts of subjective experience which is then interpreted among the communities that have grown around people who choose to experiment with their biochemistry to attain results that would otherwise be impossible or impractical

salient point: aint no free meals bitch, nobody's going to spoonfeed you every bit of data you need to be able to make informed decisions about gear use

>>34886085

and the amount of shit you actually need...

>>34886121

>need steroids

don't need shit, it's just fun as hell

also incredibly skeptical
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anyone here use nair?
Think it'd be weird to do just my stomach but leave my chest hairy
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>>34886066
>>34886085
coq10 is like 60$ a bottle where i live. shits expensive.

i'd probably steal it before buying it.
>inb4 black
just a poor college student.
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>>34886153
zinc, d3, fishoil and iron are extremely useful, iron can probably be dropped the easiest because a lot of things already have it in them
rehydration salts are fantastic, if you don't use those you kinda need magnesium anyway, might as well get the whole electrolyte package
the rest depends on your diet
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>>34886197
Ye try to do it in parts, can be painful if left on the skin for too long.
Also Veet>nair
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Question guys, I've done my research(as much as I could)

Started my first cycle last week on 500mg a week. 250mon 250 thurs, And Started AI the same week.. Now I can't seem to find alot about to do or not to start ai same week but I'm guessing I crashed my estro As I could not keep focus on anything.. Got hotflashes and was constantly tired as fuck. that was .5mg Does that sound more of a low estro problem? and all Is there aswell But My dick isn't dead
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>>34886198
its really worth shopping around for coq10 and figuring out the mg/$

some places are literally twice as much as others
Also load up on sales
Its a really legit supp
lowered my diastolic is ten points when I changed no other variables

>>34886204
If you eat alot of red meat you probably get enough iron
zinc I dont think is necessary
It has its uses but for an all the time sort of thing? I dunno. Plus then you need to supplement copper

>>34886230
oh yeah veet thats the one
keep forgetting what the better ones called lol
I just dont want to deal with hair regrowth on my tat

>>34886239
.5mg of what when
but yeah probably too much
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>>34885404
Soon to quit the natty team. Am thinking of running dbol and test for a cycle 4 weeks dbol 12 weeks test.

Anybody else have any experience with this cycle?
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>>34886269
.5mg Of adex, I bumped it down to .25mg 2 days after As I was planning to take EOD but even then I still feel rekt. Should I increase the gap of days? I know adex can rebound so I'm not sure what to do
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>>34886269
you don't need to supplement copper if you're not eating loads of zinc, it only decreases copper uptake when you're overdosing it
and it's easy to determine whether you have enough of or not, take 30mg of zinc and then check your load the next day
if it's thick af and it wasn't before, better start taking zinc
I generally just do 15mg EOD and another 15 every time I blow my load, seems to work well
also fucking food captchas, it's 9am and I'm hungry again, no change and the cafeteria isn't working yet
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>>34886285
.5mg adex ed is massive
if its pharma you nuked your estro HARD

just stop taking it imo
retake it when you start getting oily or crying at guys grocery games

but then do eod, and try .25


>>34886304
oh 15 isnt bad
I was thinking like 500 to replace ai lel

>mfw I'm eating a banana
god bless light carb day
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>>34886343
>500mg zinc
people actually do this? jesus
>this kills the copper
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>>34886270
Yeah, pretty good. Make sure you're lean to begin with as dbol is a fucker for aromatising. Run the test a few weeks longer as with a 12 week cycle almost half of the time is spent waiting for it to kick in.

Don't up the weights too quick as you'll notice a big kick in strength once it's all kicking
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>>34886473
So an aromatise inhibitor is a must?
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>>34886497
Yeah, don't take it from the get go though. Just when you feel the sides starting.
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>>34886497
get a SERM, not an AI
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>>34886507
Serm?
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>>34886523
Yeah use tamoxifen or raloxifene, you'll get better gains, feel better and you don't need to play around with the dose to find the right spot
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>>34886507
Why would you want high estro?
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>>34886530
So use tamofixen while on dbol or at the end as pct
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>>34886543
Yes
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>>34886535
Because it's good for the body and good for the mind and a handful of dbol won't make your estrogen "high"

>>34886543
both
12 week cycles are silly though, just do 15, you're buying 3 vials anyway
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>>34886549
I dunno man, test and dbol in the system will aromatise a bit, depends on op's bf% obviously and dosages.

You'd suggest high eostrogen as a good thing though? You'd have acne, moods swings, libido issues, blood pressure......not trolling, you know more than me, I'd think an ai would be of more benefit that a serm?
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>>34886549
You got a new email ?
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>>34886573
im #noaicrew
feels good except for the crying at anime and moonface part
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>>34886579
Stop watching anime lol
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>>34886576
https://privnote.com/sIje7Xl7#2nLEX9bGp
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>>34886153
I'm an alien
I don't need steroids
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>>34886650
yeah you need them. You look pretty dyel
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yolodrol is so easy to tease

its cute :3c
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I'm just gonna ask this here because I already have the tab open
has anyone ever bought bulk powders (and we're talking bulk bulk, 25kg drums) from US or China?
I'm considering investing a couple hundred bucks to resell to sheep, I can do analyses by myself but I'd rather not if someone knows a good bulk manufacturer
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Roids/peptides/gh should hopefully all be in today

Thats all going straight in the penor
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>>34886670
why would I need steroids though, even if I did look dyel
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>>34886700
You just need some antipsychotics mr. Alien
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>>34886703
I think you need some haterade
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>>34886700
indirectly you're saying you don't need them, because you're already big enough.

Don't bullshit us. You just want the mires.
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>>34886710
And you need some new hair faggot
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>>34886703
That insult was oddly specific
Illuminati confirmed
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>>34886650
How's the veganism and copious amounts of weed treating you?
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>>34886573
SERM’s can be enough for some men and should be your first choice if they can get the job done. However, AI’s will be far more effective as they will directly inhibit aromatization and reduce serum estrogen levels. Unfortunately, AI’s can negatively affect cholesterol, as can Dianabol, and when conjoined this can prove potentially problematic. If an AI is used cholesterol management will be a priority, and it will be possible. However, SERM’s, while not always as effective will actually promote healthier cholesterol levels due to their estrogenic like activity in the liver.

isnt that why
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>>34886153
No arguments there senpai. But I'd rather butter up some random nigger on 4chan who knows their shit and cross check that info than sifting through the shit pile of info out there.
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Chem still b&?
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>>34886780
Nope, was in here earlier.
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>>34886586
youre right
I'll pick up a UK pasttime like being muslim
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>>34886830

I missed you while I was gone
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Starting 3wk PSMF.
Kcals 1480, 204g P, 1g C, 79g fat. Is this good? Other option is to eat 2 eggs less and that would be like 220kcals less.
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>>34886780
>dat slight gyno
Hope he gets on the anti-e before Olympia
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>>34886878
Looks like full blown gyno to me man, just aggrivated by his offseason blast
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>>34886780
time for him to schedule surgery on those titties
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>>34886857
cut out the fat thats not pmsf thats keto

>>34886856
>you'll never drink victoria bitter, vegemite, and whey protein shakes pwo with alb
why live

>>34886886
hes wet af
I actually really like that picture cause you dont see sadik like that very often
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>>34886895
Same. So interedasting seeing these ripped physique model boyz eating them dbols and such
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>>34886890
Man you think that but the guy who wins it every year has some real nice a-cups forming

I don't think the judges take it into consideration
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>>34886895
Oh yeah im fucking retarded, PSMF is extreme so i removed all the shit and eating only protons. ~800 kcals for 190g protons, 10g fat and 0 carbs
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>>34886942
thats more like it
dont forget your mulitvit

>>34886907
what are you insinuating
hes all natty
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dumb question but if you get surgery for gyno, then once its removed, you roid without proper AI is there the same chance it will form again
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>>34886952
Only unnatty if you use a fuckton of gear + hgh + insulin

Do u even normie perceptions
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>>34886957
Thats a good question
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>>34886965
Natty is a state of mind
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>>34886957
According to canary no but I can't believe sadik and buendia never got surgery.
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>>34886990
Maybe they're just in denial about how bad it is? I mean they have normal folks with 0 understanding of gyno riding their dicks 24/7 so I can see how they don't really see it as a thing
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>>34886830
Lol, embrace the caliphate
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>>34886942
Added to this, how often should you refeed on PSMF? One day every 2weeks eating at mainetance?
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>>34886957
I think there are different types of surfery. Some remove the tissue others remove the actual gland. If you remove the actual gland I don't think you can get it again
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tfw when want rhinoplasty, gyno surgery and a nice cycle but no money
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>>34887052
I think Lyle said 3 days psmf 1 day refeed 3 days psmf and so on and on
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>>34887065
>tfw shrunk gyno with ralox and don't give two fucks about my Jew nose
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>>34886530
I really admire you cyclefag but some of your advice is a little misguided I think.
The miniscule amount of gains gained by having high estro vs low is not worth the potential side effects. Especially for a newbie.
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>>34887115
>I really admire you cyclefag
Gaaaaaaaay
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>>34887125
He mirin
Mirin hard
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>>34887146
Literally
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>>34887115
Tell us exactly how you mire cyclefag if you want to keep posting here.
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is there anyone selling raloxifen raws on RC sites, the only things I can find is either solutions or encapsulated bullshit (adc doesn't send to my glorious country of origin)
I want something I can test for purity easily
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Guys what do you think about dirty bulking on roids? I'm not eating fries or pizza or anything like that but more like chicken wings and cheeseburgers from mcdonalds or chicken teriyaki from subway, every meal still has protein but I'm afraid I'd gain too much fat, I'm above +500 main.

I'm on 1g test weekly, would I gain too much fat?
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>>34885644
can i get the pastebin please
>>34885714
ive read that and it didnt actually have too much info just the standard "dun do it! is 2 dangrous!!1" shit
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>>34887572
http://pastebin.com/ys7xXYkL
it was also already posted in the thread
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>>34885721
guys this pastebin doesnt give any good info to a beginner. I can't understand half of what it's saying
for example

ESTERS
Esters simply determine the half life of the compound, they make no substantial difference other than how often you have to pin them to maintain stable blood levels.
Pin the following ED - ace, prop, phenylprop, sustanon
Pin the following E3D - cyp, enan
Pin the following E7D - deca, undeca, undecylenate

what the fuck is this shit? why should i take any of this? do i have to ?

and in general all the info it gives is useless to me without proper explanation. it doesn't mean anything.A person who already knows most things about roids understands this but he doesn't need it.
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>>34887624
then read the book someone posted the link for
Anabolics, 10th edition
don't roid if you don't know what testosterone esters refer to
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>>34885804
A typical steroid "run" is probably 1-3 compounds.

The more advanced you are, the more compounds you might take at the same time.

Beginner is test only. Around 500 mg for like 4 months or so.

Second cycle can be test+ something else. probably either dbol or deca.
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>>34887635
i'm here to get ready to roid man i know im not ready yet. to be honest though i dont really wanna do too much. Just some test , nothing else. Thanks for the book ill check it out

>>34887642
I just want to run Test. I don't care about getting advanced or running a lot of things or whatever.

What would I have to take along with it?
I mean, what are all the substances i need to get for my cycle?
Test , an aromatose inhibitor , and HCG for the PCT? can i do with just these 3 things?
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>>34886695
Did you get some tweezers too bro?
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>>34887674
So for AI you just keep that on hand, take if you feel symptoms (crashing estro sucks for everything except apathy gains).

I personally love HCG for keeping my balls online but others here swear by Nolvadex. Clomid is also effective but it's like the anti-AI for feels.
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>>34887692
confused, what do i keep on hand for AI? what does "crashing estrogen" mean?

If i blast and cruise, can i never come off ?
will i need HCG if i blast and cruise, or only for when i decide to get off completely?
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>>34887710
These are good questions.

AI (aromatase inhibitor) is the thing you keep on hand, and the thing you keep it on hand for is estrogen sides (itchy nips really). Not sure if you knew this but in males, all estrogen comes from converstion from test via aromatization.

Some estro is good. Keeps your joints limber and even raises IGF-1 in muscles.

Crashing estro means you knock it completely down too far and you feel like shit--tired, joints ache, dry skin. But if you're still in love with a girl who just broke up with you it's great. :)
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>>34887710
>>34887725
If you blast and cruise, sure you can come off but coming off is just harder.

So the whole HCG thing as it relates to B&Cing is if you want to have kids. Personally I take HCG consistently because it's always easier to keep my balls going than to GET them going after them being raisin-like for years.

But if you B&C for several years and come off when you're still in your 20s, you'll probably be fine especially if you do peptides along with the HCG. Then once you have kids you can forget about the HCG/Clomid and blast and cruise away.

I'm 40, no kids, and I want 'em, so that's why I stay on HCG. The doc prescribes it for me.
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>>34887682
Kek
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Is there a way to send gallery photos as snaps and not just in-chat?
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>>34887725
I see. is there a specific AI that I should get? what is the most commonly used one?
>>34887738
Does that mean that there are fertility problems when you are on test?
Does HCG keep your balls normal-sized even while on test?
What are peptides? are they necessary or expensive?

if you've been running HCG while on test, do you need to increase the dose , or just keep taking the same when you decide to come off?
does taking HCG during your cycle make coming off easier?

How much does roiding cost, If the only thing you are using is Test , an AI and HCG for the PCT?
Do i need anything other than those 3 substances for a complete cycle?
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>>34887832
>Does that mean that there are fertility problems when you are on test?
Yeah but lots of pro's have popped kids out. So it's not set in stone

>does hcg keep your balls normal sized while on test
Yeah
>what are peptides
Dunno really, next level hormone stuff
>are they nexessary?
No
>are they expensive
Dunno senpai

>if running hcg alongside test donyou need to increase the dose or take the same she come off
Pretty sure you run the same both on and when coming off
>does it make coming off easier
Yeah you'll have your natty test up and running
>how much does roiding cost for test, ai and hcg
Test is like £30 you'll need 3 vials minimum. Ai is the same really and you'll be best with 2 boxes. Also nolva which is roughly the same price. So like £180 for a cycle. Don't know about hcg cost though

>do I need anything else for a cycle?
Need....no. Apart from nolva, listed above. Also syringes and needles.
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>>34888113
Thanks for the reply.

I heard test was cheap though? like 2 euros a bottle or something from a pharmacy. not 100% sure but im surprised at the 30 pound cost.
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>>34888113
Cheeky you are tru Christian. So proud of u bb. Thanks for the natty inspiration!
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>>34888140
2 euros? damn nigga hook us up
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>>34888140
€2 for an amp or vial sounds ridiculously cheap....might be that sort of price in some 3rd world pharmacy or something, but I don't know. I'm in the UK and I just buy online. That's the going rate for what people would pay in my shoes

>>34888148
I luv u bb
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I got really bored of vegan keto in 11 days.

Starting intermittent fasting today.

Any tips?
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>>34888206
I'm doing 22 hours fasts a day eating 1800 cals 180p/180c/40f.
Drink alot of water/green tea/ coffee.
I'm losing a shit ton of fat and its easy as fuck for me, never had such a great cut going, strong 5 weeks now
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>>34888206
Ignore the hunger pain by drinking more water. Also avoid all calories during fast. Unsweetened tea or black coffee if you can tolerate stimulants.
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>>34888258
Nice man. Looking great.

>>34888264
I took 25mg ephedrine for the first time in the last several months I plan on taking it in the AM only so it wares off around the time I eat and sleep.
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About to buy my first cycle, 500 test-e and proviron, how you see it?
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>>34888206
For IF, drink water. Your body will stop feeling super hungry after 4-5 days and you'll be fine.
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>>34888258
Looks good, good job.

The pose looks a bit akward. More pics?
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>>34888508
ty homie
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>>34888522
Anterior delts are xboxhuge. Might want to hit the front ones a bit.

Also, could just be how you're posing, so I'm not sure.
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>>34888522
Good forearms and delts.

Weight, height?
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>>34888557
I'm 5'8 165lbs atm depleted af
This is me 5 weeks back at 186
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>>34888258
How much sex do you have and how many girls do you fuck on a weekly basis?
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>>34888542
Never hit front delts directly, should I?
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>>34888578
Is it possible to go from DYEL to this in one year?
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>>34888578
Good job

>>34888579
We're currently dating. u mad? mirin?
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>>34888591
Can u do anything about the acne on your delts?
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>>34888597
Yes im mirin but I'm not mad but I admire you and strive to get to your level
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>>34888595
With enough hormones I'm sure you could, I've been blasting and cruising for a year now, but I had a pretty good natty base (2 year natty training)
Pic is my 1 year natty transf, training and diet was pretty shit tho
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>>34888604
Its not there anymore, check above pic.
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>>34888591
>>34888604
I wish infot acne on my delts. I get it down my fucking arms and it's annoying as fuck because I can't hide it
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>>34888614
If you have the willpower, you will get there buddy


>>34888615
This is that Arnskelleton guy. good jubb breh
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>>34888644
I was so skinny and hated it all I wanted was mass wanted to be a built fat guy. Now its all about the aesthetics bby
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My nips are getting puffy and there's a sensitive lump behind one

It's been two weeks so far am I just fucking my shit up or what. Can I use nolvadex to stop more development or is that dumb. Already doing 12.5mg asin eod
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>>34888674
Yeah use nolva you nob cheese. You're not on a 19-not are you?
>mfw lips leaking brown shit last night
>diarrhoea nips
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>>34888664
Yeah, i know that feel. Good progress. Good job breh.

Timespan?

>>34888674
You could try Nolva, but if there is a lump already you probably need letro. Up asin dose en take nolva asappppp. If it gets worser take letro on go off roids.
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Holy fuaaak boyz pinned Test cyp and tren e this morning i aspirate as always saw no blood was pushing in the goods started feeling a cough coming along was like dafuq, waited 15 sec after i finished pushing in the goods started to pull out the needle SHIT LOAD OF BLOOD shot out i was like OH shit cleaned that shit up held down the spot i where the blood was coming out after that TREN cough started to hit me. So long story short i must of hit a vein because i looked at the pin again and it had a bit of blood in it. SORRY FOR THE LONG POST BOYZ just wanted to share my first TREN cough wasn't scared at all.
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>>34888696
from first to 4th was 2 years, then 4th to 5th was 5-6 months (not natty)
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>>34888710
Did you ded dough?
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>>34888710
tren e cough? can that happen
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>>34888733
Just do some pushups for front delts. I wouldn't hit them super hard.
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>>34888737 Na bruh im good
>>34888743 happened to me bruh must of been bec i hit a vein? no idea first time seeing a bit of blood in the syringe. legit right after i pulled the needle out throat started to tingle and i started coughing.
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>>34888760
4 weeks in Test Cyp 500/week
Tren E 250/week
Starting clen on monday again.
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Are we about to get septupled?
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>>34888784
Canary is a pedo septs
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>>34888693
Test and dbol. A-at least I don't have diarrhea nips..

>>34888696
Bout to stock up on dat letro then
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Is a 21g needle fine for injecting test?
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>>34888843
its huge but yes if you can take it
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So where is:
>Plato
>pleb
>Odin
>dhb
>germanbrah
>stoya
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>>34888862
Guess I'll live with it until I go through them all,
Thanks
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It's time
>Canary is a pedo septs
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>>34888866
And
>dbol
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>>34888888
Checked
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>>34888960
Wasted desu senpai
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>>34888960
BRETHEREN...
...
...
...
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Tfw gains literally leaking away
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>>34885582
Ohai I'm 253ish too.

Aren't you the guy who's my height too?
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>>34888866
Where is turk
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>>34889071
You were here recently you stupid cunt
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> important anecdote

There's something in that kefir. Russian-style yogurt, you put milk in a bag with starter culture and attach it to the front door so niggas shake it when they go in/out.

I used to have chronic migraines for 10 years. Started as a mild migraine everyday at 3 then spread out to less frequent but far more severe, vomit-inducing, and incapacitating migraines. Basically as a young teen I was a hypersensitive faggot that couldn't handle bright light or loudnesss. The writing on wall is that those migraines were causing brain damage considering the multi-axis hypothalamic dysfunction I experience.

About 2 years ago, the migraines stopped. That's when I started drinking kefir and about a year after /fit/. The first cup of kefir I had made me trip, it was like seeing through time and space, great feeling, didn't last. At the time I was big on Weston A. Price (holistic dentist of olde that insists we eat sticks of grass-fed butter, eggs, and drink raw milk). Despite reading 20,000+ studies and obsessively studying Medicine, I cannot prove or counter the quackery of Weston Price... he was right about a lot of things, may be right about everything.

What's in kefir? Like all fermented foods; Vitamin K2, probiotics, and a bunch of amino acid derivatives (eg. HMB, heard of 'Clear Muscle'?). K2 is the most-expensive vitamin in existence and is universally loved by those who research it. K2 is abundant in the brain, heavily involved in bones and circulatory health. K2 deficiency may be 'the cause' of heart disease. Like w/ CoQ and K1 (and perhaps Zinc), a high-fat meal is required for optimal absorption.

I stopped drinking kefir recently and the migraines came back, increasing in frequency. Drank kefir and they're gone for now. Have been drinking a shitload of milk, milk itself certainly doesn't stop the migraines.

Anyway, there's something in that kefir. K2 or not, research it and supplement it if you can. Organ meats and fermented foods.
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>>34889100
Kefir is OP. Any stomach problems and that shit takes care of it. Grass fed dairy also has 5 times the amount of CLA that average milk has. Shit is so dank, if I had the money I'd buy way more. Whole foods has this thick kind that's practically yogurt it's so thick. But holy fucking shit is it good. Fags who think that dairy is bad for them can go fuck themselves.
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No pastebin?
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>>34888866
DHB is banned for another 10 days I think.
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>>34889052
You got big breh
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Good timing, JJ.

>>34889146
>Fags who think that dairy is bad for them can go fuck themselves.

Only problem with them is the attempts to regulate everyone else and the Jews are helping them for God knows what end. Watch the NutritionFacts.org kike speak to see what I mean.

> meat causes cancer because animal protein raises IGF-1
> ignore that exercise also raises IGF-1
> ignore that autism/alopecia/malaise/etc is linked with low IGF-1
> milk and eggs are unhealthy too because it wouldn't fit our agenda otherwise
> you have the right to disagree but we're going to ostracize your kids in school if they disagree and feed them kids vegan french fries, dairy-free mozerella sticks, and pseudo-milk

On a high-cholesterol high-fat diet, I dropped Triglycerides by 75% to 49, dropped vLDL by 70% to 7, and HDL up 70% to 45. LDL about the same (98) and fasting glucose 67. After drinking a gallon of milk a day for 6 weeks, TRT for 8 months, and going on gear for 3 months (avg 1g Test-E and 500 mg Tren on/off), LDL is up a few points, fasting glucose was 98, and everything else the same. Glucose change was likely the DNP.

If I ever have land, I'll get a goat and treat/feed that goat like a king then milk it like a whore. Get that goat a boulder to stand on. Might need 2 goats so I can inject one with goat-enhancing chemicals.

Another magical food would be Spirulina. Good source of aquatic nutrients, cleans liver w/ clinical strength, mostly protein, and tastes like mossy dog shit. Sorry m8s, amphetamine-induced rant.
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>>34885404
In
Once again rice overload
>MFW brown rice = life
Leg day today?
Back day?
or Rest day?

Did Chest Bis Tuesday
Tris abs yesterday
HELP

>implying your opinion matters
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>>34889513
Hey why haven't you posted a cb pic? I love you bby.
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>>34885404

Yo guys. Just swingin in from the /plg/ to say steroids r bad mk, IPF natty lifter for life.

But also you guys, without a doubt, have the best collection of beautiful women pictures I have ever seen.

You're like the Met for the female form. Serious collectors - cartographers and historians of pussy.
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>>34889557
>ipf
>natty
Muh testing
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>>34889566
Muh muh
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>>34889566

I know, right?

I'd ask what you lads thought about the current Russia scandal, but I don't think you guys really put much stock in sport.

You're all cool lads though, don't ever pay any attention to Isley, he's a shit.
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>>34889513
Totally agree about jews paying for studies to say specific things about foods. The chemical trend seems to be to weaken brain function and feminize the men.
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>>34889589
Do you know if he eber lernd?
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>>34889540

When I'm perfect, m8.

I've only had Testosterone for 8 months... and only had over 300 ng/dL for 3, after years of hypothalamic failure. Need time to incubate this body, love.
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rhink I have legit test finally :')
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>>34889619
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>>34889600

He has, actually, but it took a really rough meet where he actually totaled less than his previous to make him reassess his programming. I expect him to push past a 400 wilks shortly. He's a little wanker though, but he's very knowledgeable about the sport.

>>34889619

See, this shit, right here, this is glory.
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>>34889619
I don't wanna wait 5ever. Blast harder buddy
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>>34889596

Yeah, it's likely the endocrine disrupters are fucking us up, but the girls are getting hotter and we're taking enough gear to compensate. The only losers in this equation are the males that listen to the schools, Jews, and the feds. The 18-24 year old women of now have higher testosterone, many are pursuing engineering/science/careers, and will inevitably be cock-starved as the male divide progresses. I imagine the family of the future will consist of a patriarch, 2-3 women, and 1-2 keks for housework and for the women to peg. You can always count on women to defeat themselves and restrict other women, but it's a win-win regardless.

I wonder if the vegans know that their skin absorbs more Test-killing phaltates from the air in NYC than they would ever get from eating chicken. Thankfully I spent puberty up in the mountains with the bears, no cellular, barely any radio. Endocrine system still fucked though.
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>>34889100
I make kefir by boiling milk, then waiting it to body temp them drop some kefir I saved from the last batch, then put that into a thermal container to retain the temp.

What does shaking all the time do? Retaining the temperature is irrelevant?

I drink it and eat sauekraut, because it's filling and low cal (and delicious) but I've never felt any superpowers from it (started last month-ish)
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>>34889838
Keeps the stuff circulating. The curds concentrate the bacteria so slapping the bad stirs it up.

BTW I love that tradition of having a bag of cultured milk hanging off a door frame and visitors slapping it every time. I grew up in the Caucasus and it's a really fond memory.
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>>34889866
Well I might try that, the kefir I've been making has been really sour and kind of watery
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I just started a test/deca blast two weeks ago, usually never drink but kinda have to this weekend. How does alcohol affect muh blood levels? Am I throwing myself back to week 1? Or does alcohol only effect the production of test which is already prob gone.

I know half you degenerates are alcoholics, what do?
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>>34889828

To further illustrate...

I attend engineering/research university which is 3/4 male. You'd assume there'd be high competition for females... no. I'm no player, but most of the males there I can't even regard as competition. The 8+/10 females have taken to dominating beta manlets and the other females seem to have lost interest in general.

My little sister is in High School and things have changed considerably in the last 6 years. Half the students are fags in more ways than one. She has implied that 95% of the males are not attractive at all (and the remaining 5% are swarmed by the "snob girls"). Meanwhile women on television are fawning over Justin Beiber. Regardless of what a little DYEL faggot he is, he's still more of a man than most of his peers.

>>34889810

My quads only have so much volume.

>>34889838

You could also just continually take some kefir out of your milk bag and add milk. The shaking (once a day) is necessary as is draining or it will spoil. I forget the details, does kefir not need refridgeration?

> that feel when can't post cocks on 4chins
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>>34890018
Even though I grew up in a traditional household I live in the states now and I like Lifeway Kefir. Their regular line of fat free stuff is my go-to. I even use it for post-workout, it has a great protein:carb ratio.
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>>34889828
I was extremely lucky. All organic home grown food and I've lived in the mountains all of my life.

I agree about the future of the family unit.
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>>34889100
>2016
>not drinking Kefir protein smoothies

I refuse such mediocrity. I will live the life of

KINGS
I
N
G
S
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>>34890080
Yeah, the poorer families with bad diets have malformed and mongoloid looking kids.

Without social skills or a decent body I was a considered very attractive just because I hadn't been poisoned. Now that I'm bigger the female attention is unreal because there are so few suitors. Peoples have said its 80% betas and 20% alphas, but I bet it's less than 10% alphas per age group.
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>tfw the only reason i come to /fraud/ is because the best fap pics on the whole internet

Like seriously, this thread shits on /s/.
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>>34887479
P-pls respond.
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>>34890327
>tfw the only reason i come to /fraud/ is because the best fap pics on the whole internet
>doesn't post hnng
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>>34890349
Drink a gallon of kefir a day
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>>34890327
/s/ is basically /hm/. Except there's a lot of chicks with low self esteem who don't realize that the dudes they're getting complimented by are lesbians and hard up bi girls.
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>forgot my nolva today
>natty test will never recover
>gonna need to cruise the rest of my life

Smh desu senpai
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>>34889052
looking THICK breh. Looks great.
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what sterons can an grill take?
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>>34887479
>I'm not eating fries or pizza or anything like that but more like chicken wings and cheeseburgers from mcdonalds or chicken teriyaki from subway, every meal still has protein but I'm afraid I'd gain too much fat, I'm above +500 main.
That's the same?

Do you want to die because of high bp? Are you even serious? Are you trolling?
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>>34890841
Var, Superdrol, NPP, very low test
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>>34890841
Anavar
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>>34890850

>die from bp

you must have been fat.
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>>34890905
>gear == high bp
>shit-tier food with lots of salt = high bp
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Bit slow
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>>34890841
NPP, primo, and var are good for females.

>>34887479
Just fine clean foods you like. I can eat sweet potatoes and white rice forever.
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Dear fraud

Been looking up sides of steroids and baldness is a concern. The right side of my hairline has been further back than the left since I was 13. Not majorly but noticeable when my hair is short. One uncle is bald, dunno about grandfather, older brother shows no recession, am I at risk?
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>>34891193
Probably. Get over it
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>>34891193
Best hope you look good as an egg
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Is oxandrolone (anavar) really worth it? It's pretty pricey

I just wanna be big, but I hear it makes your dick shrink thanks to decreased bloodflow
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>>34889075
Y-you were here recently
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>>34891226
roids will only accelerate baldness if the balding gene is in there already right?
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line 101?
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>>34891270
I wasn't asking where i was though cunt flap. I know where I am
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>>34891274
Yeah, if you're going to go bald, roids will speed it up
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>>34891274
Embrace the chrome dome my child
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I heard MasTest is a turbo manlet with shit inserts, is that true?
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So is eroids still good to order from?
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>>34891294
>>34891315
but nothing will happen if weren't going to go bald in the first place right?
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>>34891355
we're all manlet faggots here
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>>34891355
Yeah, it's true. They also say i'am the smallest.

You never know. It could also be a myth.
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>>34888183

which online supplier do you use?
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>>34891374
Uk domestic is br0h
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>>34891279
So mean
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>>34891374
rusty.shack at protonmail is better
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>>34885404
Going to workout back with a new "buddy"
inb4 5 deadlifts
wish me luck /fraud
>tomorrow is pin day
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>>34891471
inb4 thread gets shut down
are you fucking new?
Just kidding
>we all know you are faggot
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>>34891471
Mods pls....beta muscle though

>>34891497
I luv ya really bb
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>>34885544
>DNP can actually kill you
>Felt like he was gonna die
>Worksout while having a NDE
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>>34891537
Fag
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>>34891514
>>34889052
>>34885582

Mirin'

How tall are you guys?

I'm beginning to hate being a lanklet. It sucks putting on 50lbs, and still being 50+ lbs away from my goal weight.
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>>34889052
Please fuck me
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>Hit up wet sauna after work out
>Turn sauna on and head it
>fat blackman already sauna-ing
>Guy gets up "I've had enough. I've already been in here for two hours!"

He sat in the sauna for two hours with it turned off.
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Just pinned my right glute here is my story
My roommate came home
Roommate would freak out if she saw roids
Pin super fast push the plunger like a 1 rep max
Grab all my vials and needles run across the house naked
Mission acomplished
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>>34891678
Why aren't you pinning in your room?

Also, why were you naked?
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>>34891739
These are things I ask myself
Yeah I moved It
I was naked because she wasn't supposed to be home for like 6 hours and I was doing my thing
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>>34891247

It's worth it to cut and lol no, roids don't make your dick shrink. Balls atrophy but recover, as long as you get regular erections your dick will always be fine.

>>34891274

Yes and if you weren't going bald you'll be fine. Only way to tell really is if you have recession and thinning off cycle.

From personal experience, I had thinning and fucking shit myself when on cycle, off cycle i've only had shedding that is less than "the normal range" with normal being 50-150 hairs in the shower or when you comb. I never shedded before cycling and now I shed 15-20 hairs. I expect roughly the same next cycle.

>>34891374

Get it from the gym. You do know the secret handshake right?
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>>34891678
>>34891739
>>34891774
Sounds hot as fuck, can imagine you running with your tackle swinging mmmmmmm
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>>34891805
>n-no homo

I had a couple of gfs who were obsessed with watching my penor bounce around while naked. One of them would even hide my pants. lol
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>>34891859
Could swear my mum used to hide my pants, I....is this why?
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>>34891997
lol It looks like we found the source of your milf fetish.
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