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>In the hypothetical fighting game, what would be the alternate costumes for your character
>remember, they all need to look distinct enough from each other and the default costume that players won't get confused if they pick the same character and do a lot of crossing up
>but at the same time, it has to be obvious that it's the same character so that people who haven't unlocked the costume yet will still know which moves to expect
>and don't add anything that will obscure the character's moves too much in profile so the other player can't react as well
>And there's no budget for changing animations so you can't add anything that would make the character clip through themselves with their usual moveset, or that requires more rigging than a soft body modifier.
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Also starting the thread with my old shit from previous thread.
Finished up this page, but think it could use some tweaking. How do the third and last panels look to you guys?
>tfw waiting for Hiveworks email is triggering memories of passive rejections by girls where they just stop responding to your texts
And some silhouette stuff. Recently been really into Hewlett's early Gorillaz stuff with simple shapes, so kind of looking to that for some style influence.
>>84518079
the last panel need more opacity for the puke I guess. But I love the style and design you go for. It's like Skadi for me: less eye straining than John K but really good.
>>84518195
This. either that or less opacity in the blaurghh panel
>>84518091
Just searched for any news on Twitter
>To put the hat back on, submission approval/denial emails are going out next week. Taking the weekend to deliberate it some more.
Enjoy your weekend!
>>84518310
oh fuck that means there are a lot of really good submissions, or they're all equally garbage
>>84518310
Arrrrrrgh... but you know, sending out emails later than the date that they stated a month ago just delegitimatizes them. It's not like we, as creators, could say, "Oh, well, I was gonna have that page to you today but... I'm gonna take the weekend to polish it some more." Nope nope nope.
>>84518091
so whats the big deal about hiveworks i keep hearing mixed stuff about it
what can they do for your comic that you can't do by yourself?
>>84518310
FUCK YOU
JUST GET IT OVER WITH
REJECT ME AND END THE TORMENT ALREADY
>>84518543
Not only does "creators" can, and will do that on occasion, but if they haven't reached a consensus or need more time for whatever reason, why not delay it a bit ? It sucks for people who applied, but maybe it's necessary.
Unless you're talking about delaying a submission to HW.
>>84518543
>It's not like we, as creators, could say, "Oh, well, I was gonna have that page to you today but... I'm gonna take the weekend to polish it some more."
But we say that all the time. You're not a true webcomic author if you haven't missed at least one deadline.
>>84518754
>>84518795
But webcomic authors who do so damage their reputations in the process - just look at any Paranatural thread. If you're a company (especially if you're a company that functions on deadlines) and you say you're going to do something by a certain date, you better or else you erode your legitimacy. Do or do not, you know?
I'm being ridiculous though. I don't even want to accept the contract, I just want to be offered one. I realized a couple weeks ago that HW wouldn't be a good fit for me.
Wip from end of last thread. I reworked some junk.
>>84518079
great art style. i dont usually see professional looking shit in these threads
>>84517842
just put 4 new pages up for mine, updated twice this week cause im so wrapped up in the story im telling. if anyone here goes to /tv/ im trying to make >essential kinocore comics
>>84517842
This is /hyw/ #296.
The next thread will be /hyw/ #297.
>>84519004
>>84519022
>>84519019
dangit i knew someone would mess it up
but i still appreciate them making the thread at allit's funny this topic of numbering should come up...does anyone else bother numbering their comics?
>>84518899
Zack damaged his reputation here. He is still a fairly popular webcomic author (for what it's worth), his patreon is doing fine and he picked up the pace. He still has missed updates but it's not as frequent as it was before. Also I think he bashed 4chan at some point, but missing deadlines didn't hurt him that much overall.
Sure you'll get a bad rap if do so and it can stick, but it's nothing too bad if you have enough fans.
Though if you start missing deadlines and give no reasonable explanations or show contempt for your fans when they ask why you'll probably get dumped by most people reading your comic.
Here's a WIP of the next page!
Yes, that person in the audiance in the last three panels is me.
>>84519041
their*
twice
>>84519054
are you guys really still correcting him or is his desperate samefagging this out of control?
>>84519122
why would you samefag your own proofreading?
I proofread for everyone. or nearly everyone
>>84519122
Nah someone actually corrects him every time then pretends he's getting better.
>>84519168
he was for a while. now he's slipping up again.
>>84519122
i didn't correct him but i can see why anons do it
i mean i have seen a lot of of people that don't get the difference between Their and They're
but for fuck sake he wrote THIER
i mean come on
>>84519250
dyslexia
>>84519301
twice
>>84519325
He's literally brain damaged. A retard. Just look at the shit he "creates"
>>84519041
I wouldn't even wipe my ass with this.
>>84519325
Sorry, didn't know that the I before e rule didn't apply to their.
>>84519325
it would be weirder if he got it wrong once and right once. actually that's the kind of spelling mistake that gets my dander up. That, and when they repeat something back that you just typed to them, and spell it wrong. Like, you don't have eyes? I just spelled it for you.
>>84519456
it's a pretty loose rule, they don't even teach it anymore because "it's wrong more often than right"
however the full rule ends with "or when sounding like 'ei' as in neighbor and weigh" so that's how you remember their
>>84518899
>But webcomic authors who do so damage their reputations in the process - just look at any Paranatural thread
And yet his Patreon income has gone up since Hitball started, when he really started doing those "reputation damaging" things.
You could also look at how much money Aaron Diaz makes to this day despite going back on nearly every promise he's made to Patrons.
>>84519599
>destroy it
I wish I could. With my dick. In case that wasn't clear enough.
>>84519599
>modified
yeahhh those are pasties! theyre nipple-shaped pasties.
i assume you used some references here. It looks pretty good. Not my taste of course, but good. The one issue is that the eyelids don't really make sense.. they're moving like windshield wipers. You gotta think about the eyes as curves, and the lid as something draped evenly across the curve.
>>84519630
>>84519634
Sry about that, I clicked the other one.
Somebody kill me, my address is M-
>>84519599
>Feel free to destroy it
Most of what's really wrong here are drawing issues. The faces are terribly constructed, the breasts look odd as fuck and change size, and the arms are doing all kinds of wonky shit in the bottom pic for starters.
Otherwise, it's just an incredibly generic and inconsistently proportioned short haired woman who doesn't seem to know how to dress herself properly. Beyond that last bit, I get no sense of who she is from how she's drawn.
FREE ME FROM THIS HELL
I CANNOT WITHSTAND THE WAIT HIVEWORKS HAS WROUGHT
ASCEND ME FROM THIS FLESH CHALICE I AM PREPARED
Really took this page as more of an exercise in designing a room distinct to the character. Will do the same for her roomies at some point.
>>84519634
>>84519701
Thanks for the input, I hardly think it's final, and I don't have much saying on what stays and what goes, but in case of needing a revision, any pointers I can get will always be appreciated.
>>84519716
Cute! Shouldn't the window be in all the panels of the last row though ?
>>84519800
Technically yes. I removed them because I didn't like how they looked.
>>84519713
Tomorrow we march on Hiveworks HQ while exercising our 2nd amendment rights.
>>84519923
Tomorrow is Saturday, no one's going to be there
>>84519553
Diaz' patreons are like fans of Tessa Stone.
They're in too deep to admit they attached themselves to a fuck up.
>>84519950
that's how protests work. no actual stockbrokers were inconvenienced by occupy wall street, only regular people trying to get to work
>>84519713
>tfw hiveworks was going to accept your comic but the extra deliberations this weekend lead to them deciding to reject you instead
>>84520209
That's silly anon. Hiveworks only wants comics with potential to make them money.
>>84519041
Is this page a commentary on your comic, coldfusion and the rest of /hyw/?
>>84519004
Thanks, it means a lot! Professional is a pretty strong word, I still have a lot I gotta get better at and a lot of the time I don't really know what I'm doing. But only way to improve is to DO, so!
>>84518195
Thanks! I'll fix that up.
>>84520634
You know he's not that smart.
>>84520209
If I got my hands on that deliberation list, they'd find their top picks all AWOL until they get to mine
>>84519530
The rule I always learned was:
>"i" before "e"
>except after "c"
>Or when sounding like "a"
>as in "neighbor" and "weigh"
Found my old Google Drive files, All of my old notes for the stories. Found some stuff I had actually forgotten. I wrote a lot of this when i was but a wee Weeb, and have consolidated that to the first chapters so that as I continue this project, I'll be shedding myself of the obvious anime tropes and influences.
>>84521692
I learned that the I before E rule has more exceptions than applications
>>84521756
still, you can say "if a word is likely to have been covered by that rule".. you can usually imagine by "did oldtimey people use that word?"
>>84521756
I dunno. I've never really had a problem remembering the differences.
I never really had any problem remember the differences between "to" "two" and "too", and "their" "there" and "they're" etc.
But I guess we all have our little quirks, because I have to stop once in a while to remember which way is right and left.
>>84521855
working on your enunciation often helps with pronunciation too. nobody should be pronouncing they're like there/their.. affect and effect shouldn't sound alike, nor than and then, are and our, accept and except, you're and your.. these have totally different vowel sounds
I mean i had sloppy speech as a little kid (almost never pronounced T as anything but D), but as soon as i was in school i started paying more attention.
>>84521855
>I have to stop once in a while to remember which way is right and left.
Same, but I think the difference here is while I may draw the thumbs on the wrong sides of the hands and have to catch myself all dewd has to do is write a script into anything instead of directly into photoshop or whatever he is using. Almost every word processor or browser has a spell check It caught two typos for me here.
>>84522029
from what I've gathered, he has such a program, and uses it most of the time. And then once in a while "oh I didn't have it, I was at a different computer"
Most of the rest of the mistakes are things a word processor wouldn't catch, like there and their
So since we got 'their' I assume no spellchecker was used this time.
>>84522064
Holy fuck this retard actually keeps track of a brain damaged kid's word processing habits. No one gives a shit about the details, just fix it.
I wish it was legal to hunt feelsposters for sport.
>>84521692
Or in words that are weird.
>>84522029
>all dewd has to do is write a script into anything instead of directly into photoshop or whatever he is using
We told him to do this for months and he said a month or two ago that he was going to start doing it. Guess what.
>>84522177
Don't call people retards, it's not nice.
>>84522177
>Holy fuck I've made such a big deal about this and thrown a shitfit every time he posts, I can't believe this retard is actually paying attention to the specific details of the situation at hand so as to form a well-rounded opinion. Just be mad!
>>84522239
Guess what? He did. Remember that conspicuous stretch of no mistakes, or nearly no mistakes, for like 8 pages in a row?
Remember how you pounced on him the second he slipped up? You know what that motivates people to do? Not try. Why try if you can't win, or even earn yourself any slack?
>>84522309
>You know what that motivates people to do? Not try.
Then don't. You act like his trying benefits us somehow, as if he'd be doing it for OUR sake. Where do these safe space tumblrinas come from? Fuck off.
>>84522356
I meant it motivates HIM not to try
>>84522309
>He did
He clearly doesn't anymore, so our efforts were for fucking nothing in the long run.
>Why try if you can't win
That's why I stopped giving him advice.
>>84522392
Well that's fine as long as you stop bitching. Because I'm reallly sick of it being this huge TOPIC every time he posts.
>>84522415
>how's your webcomic?
>someone posts comic
>complains that people reply to a comic
You're a literal retard.
>>84522449
Good point. We're here to discuss webcomics.
I hope every other comic that posts gets 70 posts surrounding it. That would unironically be pretty fantastic.
>>84522528
The main reason most comics don't get any comments anymore is because no one wants to put in effort for advice/suggestions when they end up the bad guys, OR if they end up having to tiresomely argue w/ lazy egotistical idiots.
Dewd and his apologists are literal cancer in these threads, as they're the ones promoting this general atmosphere. Note that the times when his dicksuckers aren't there, his comic fades quietly into the background.
>>84522653
bullshit of the highest degree. I don't even know where to begin.
A. if "no one wants to" be-the-people-shitting-on-dewd, then they should stop. instead, they continue and even increase it
B. there is no reason anyone with plural brain cells should expect the same thing to happen when they comment on other people's work.
C. the 'dicksucking' is always and only in response to the false form of shitting-on. when the shitting-on is accurate, people agree with it and maybe steer it in a more constructive direction, or help explain to that confused person why it is the way it is.
Why the hell are you even here if you believe any of what you're saying?
>>84522689
And cue the dicksuckers
le /hyw/ culture
>>84522711
if you're going to be that dismissive, why even post?
>>84522689
Why does coldfusion try so fucking hard?
>>84522736
gollygosh, why try hard to improve the threads? it's almost like improving and nurturing things is satisfying in some way instead of just going around kicking over sandcastles for jollies
>>84522728
>why even post
>why even post
>stop posting ;_;
Expected as much out of someone who can't keep his mouth off a short bus kid's dick
>>84522764
alright let me rephrase it
what do you want, so I can give it to you and we can get back to business as usual?
>>84522754
>it's actually him
wow I thought it was just memes
>>84522653
>no one wants to put in effort for advice/suggestions when they end up the bad guys
They only end up the bad guys to retards like scribblehatch who can't take criticism like adults.
>>84522824
He takes his trip off so people can't filter him and he gets attention, I've been saying this for weeks now.
>>84522945
But isn't tripfagging what you do for attention?
>meant to work on my webcomic
>watched a Chopped marathon instead
>>84522754
>improve
No offense CF, but the shitstorm that you're contributing to right now and seemingly every other time the opportunity presents itself is over a quarter of the posts in this thread.
Perhaps you should consider taking a leaf out of Dewd's book and ignore those critics you think are being overly harsh.
>>84522967
>tfw a fat bitch get rekt in chopped
>>84522786
Most of us would be happiest if you left.
>>84523019
This isn't whiteknighting
this is people screaming "dewd is a retard why can't he use a spellchecker" and me answering "oh well he did, and then once in a while he has some excuse why he didn't. i assume this is one of those times"
if that's a problem for you, we need to end communication entirely. Because that's all this is. A person whining "Dewd doesn't X" and me answering "actually he does". the end. i'm not going to stop correcting people's whining any more than I stop correcting people's grammar.
I'm not contributing to the shitstorms, i'm quelling them.
>>84522786
I want you to leave your trip on every time you post.
>>84523100
Agreed. Shit stains on a very public bathroom wall is fine, almost expected in big cities. But when someone is licking and petting a stain then the scene becomes revolting.
>>84523137
Disingenuous faggot is disingenuous.
>>84523137
>This isn't whiteknighting
>I'm not contributing to the shitstorms, i'm quelling them.
>>84495105
>if you're posting quality
>(or intentionally misunderstanding things)
>having said something profound and clever
This thing has no self-awareness of any kind. It's incredible.
>>84523173
>said by someone who has never once exposed who they really are
If even one person had the courage to be publically and vocally one of Dewd's shitposting brigade, I wonder what would happen
>>84523280
>using a scribblehatch defense
>>84523280
I'm sure you'd still be there to white knight at them, same as ever.
>>84523316
with every fiber in my being
so which of us is the coward?
Keeping in mind that's NOT what I'm doing now. Just correcting mistakes. But ho-boy would it be easier if I knew who to hate and to just ignore them. Who to give up on, yknow?
>>84523137
>the end.
Really? Looks to me like you're still posting about it now, 40 minutes later.
>I'm not contributing to the shitstorms, i'm quelling them.
Try shutting up and seeing what happens.
Failing that, please put on a trip so that I and everyone else who's sick of you guys bitching at each other can at least filter half of these useless posts.
>>84523355
>Try shutting up and seeing what happens.
I do. You know I sleep sometimes, right? That's when the shit gets really bad. That's also when people get really paranoid about who's posting and start accusing it of being cold this and scribble that and bones those
>Several hardworking anons post pages they worked hard on. Perhaps feeling a little threatened, CF takes the first opportumity to use dewd to make the thread about himself.
>>84523386
no, that's what you're doing.
>>84523351
>so which of us is the coward?
We're not calling you a coward. We're calling you a fucking retard.
>Who to give up on, yknow?
The whole thread. It's all of us. Even Dewd. Go away.
>>84523412
>it's okay to say go away when I say it!
you go away. you're not even making a comic. you're just here to bitch.
>>84523401
Whoa, clever retort, too bad it was my first post in the conversation.
>>84523444
Well then you're just a liar.
>>84523440
I don't have like six people telling me to go. I have a comic. I am here to discuss it. We want you to go because you shit up that discussion so badly we can tell its you trip or no trip (personally I've only called it wrong once).
I don't have multiple people telling me to go. Just one piece of shit.
>>84523458
No, I'm not.
Enjoy your little victim discourse. I 'm sure you'll be here spazzing out and patting yourself on the back a hundred threads from now.
>>84523524
that's how most threads, work, yeah. people move on, i stay behind.
>>84523520
discuss your fucking comic then. if there's one thing we know from experience it's that the ONLY surefire cure for shitposting is quality posting. Ignore that shit and post real discussion for god's sake
IM ANGRY
ABOUT
TRIPCODES
IT'S TIME TO ARGUE FOR THREE HUNDRED POSTS ABOUT IT SOMEONE GET IN A FIGHT WITH ME
>>84517842
I have an idea for a villain movement in my comic of genocidal Christian fundamentalists, like a second Crusades movement going around the world to cleanse the world of the "heathens" and "abominations" (non-humans)
Basically Christfag Al Qaeda/ Islamic State.
Any tips or ideas for making or fleshing out a movement like this?>tips fedora
I AM THE LORD OF THE FEDORA!!!! THE GRAND GENTLEMAN! THE MASTER OF M'LADY! THE SULTAN OF SOCKS WITH SANDALS! THE ARCHBISHOP OF ATHEIST ENLIGHTENMENT!
There, we have that out of the way, now.
>>84523684
Why even make them Christians?
>>84523684
Make it realistic with all the disturbing, fucked up things and flaws a crusade implies.
>>84523684
Research actual crusades and inquisitions. I wouldn't set it in the modern day real world though, you need a church and state really married to each other for this shit to be practical.
>>84523742
Because my setting is an alt history where Christianity never became a major religion, allowing other religions to dominate the world.
>>84523742
>>84523752
Also, I'm half and half about one idea, where there are Christian "wizards" or "clerics" who wear capirote hoods, a very un-subtle reference to the KKK.
Would that be too "on the nose/shark-jumping/trying-too-hard?"
I really like my style, but recently I've been thinking if it's too ''sexy'' for an occult detective drama. My comic's trying to be sorta ''realistic'', dark, gritty and down to earth, but I'm afraid that no one can take it seriously, if my characters look too gay or something. Sure, there are gay happenings in it, but I don't want it to be the first thing that comes up in people's minds when they see the art.
>>84523684
Can you elaborate on what or who the non humans are, and approximately what period your story takes place in? Those seem like important details.
>>84523855
What exactly is your goal? You don't want to sound like a tryhard, so what exactly do you want to sound like? That's what will decide your path
>>84523856
>I really like my style
check out this narcissistic fuck
>>84523855
>Alt history
>Christianity never became a major religion
Christianity itself would have evolved pretty fucking differently if there weren't state powers directing its growth. To start with, you're probably going to have to look at the various heresies, the process by which canon was decided and what got left by the wayside, what the major schisms were. Then think about who has directed its growth, what narratives do and don't serve them, where sects might split and so on.
You're also going to have to get a clear idea of where the religions of Europe grew and how. Are these pagans? Or did new faiths grow out of the late Roman mystery cults, similarly to Christianity?
Is Christianity some persecuted underground shit? Some almost-okay Jews-in-the-middle-ages shit?
You've got a lot of world building and research to do if you want to get this thing ticking.
>>84523856
I wouldn't say it's too sexy, it's just not 'solid' enough to have that gritty occult detective thing you're probably aiming for. Which is ironic because you're using a brush with a diamond-shaped tip for some reason. But your strokes are super smooth and curvy, kinda lumpy and uneven in places. Like a fancy newspaper cartoon, not at all like the classic detectivey feel. I suggest you study some comics that have the feel you want and look at the way they use hard edges and shadows.
>>84524000
If we didn't like what we do, why would we even bother then?
>>84523855
>an alt history where Christianity never became a major religion, allowing other religions to dominate the world.
Then why are they like that? How is a non-major religion going to start up a vicious crusade to wipe out the heathens? I don't mean that in a critical way, but literally how and why. Will your comic explain those? because the reader's going to be asking.
>>84524070
shut up Coldfusion
Pencils are a mess, eh?
>>84524681
I can't believe you have such a big following
>>84524681
>yo dude, check those dubs
>I don't... see 'em
>>84524706
I can.
>>84520634
Yeah, that's the joke.
>>84524706
Pregnancy fetishists have to get their kicks somewhere, anon.
>>84525178
>kicks
I don't want to give too much away, but I should mention that this is a world where all mythology and folklore is canon to world history (don't ask me about creation, still tinkering), so all gods are real and exist alongside mankind, taking part in politics, war, culture and other things.
>>84524086
Christianity isn't the biggest religion, but due to many conflicts throughout history, it has managed to have enough followers around the world, in the millions. I haven't figured everything out yet, but after research and planning, it can be explained.
>>84524013
>You're also going to have to get a clear idea of where the religions of Europe grew and how.
The major religions that control Europe are Hellinism, Norse, and Egyptian pagan (though located in Africa, its substantial influence in trade and commerce, along with heavy nepotism from a close relationship with the Olympic Pantheon, Egypt is considered a "European" power out of sheer nepotism)
>Is Christianity some persecuted underground shit? Some almost-okay Jews-in-the-middle-ages shit?
For the first thousand or so years after the Crucifixion, yes, it's persecuted with varying results. Christians in Europe are basically Jews and Gypsies, not always hunted but mainly looked down upon and bullied around by pagan worshippers.Their few communities are scattered across the parts of Europe that aren't controlled by the Roman Empire and and Scandinavian Federation (which still exist throughout time.)
Most Christians are good people who want to show kindness to their fellow man and want to worship a god who won't likely date-rape their daughter or give them donkey-ears just for not liking their music. Most of them have villages and abbeys where they practice in seclusion, those living in large cities practice in secret avoiding the attention of pagan gods. Some of the Celtic and Slavic gods tolerate them as long as they don't try to convert their people, out of mutual hate for the Olmpian assholes.
>>84525454
No it's not the biggest religion but it's big enough for that to have been a valid occurrence. big enough in a developed-enough part of the world. islam is big enough too. but as long as you're thinking about it, do what you want. i'm not going to enjoy this comic no matter what, but i'm relieved this isn't just another troll pasta.
>>84525454
So basically in this version, Christianity wasn't essentially co-opted and rebooted by the Romans, and was left to its true original roots. So.. without the Roman influence, why are they suddenly going on a kill-the-infidels crusade? Because without a vatican, I just don't see that. They have to have, at some point, developed a big overarching organized hierarchy, or they wouldn't be able to act so politically.
Penis.
>>84519022
>>84519031
hey I like your art style , I was wondering if your a dark skinned woman?
>>84524681
Why are all the ladies in your comic pregnant?
>>84525454
I' d go with >>84525558
You can't say most are peaceful when they go on a crusade. Also, your setting is ambitious, and looks hard to pull off, considering you'd have to alter History as we know it almost all the way.
>>84525939
You know that episode of Tiny Tunes with Bosco/Honey and having to be remembered to remain "alive." Ok think that, but the Greek gods aren't powerful enough to do miracles so they knock up some girls to get attention. Because If they're still good at anything they're good at fucking.
>>84526182
That is a pretty solid and sensible premise, actually
Finished this page!
>>84517842
>trying to write dialogue for villain
>just now realizing I should start reading a dictionary and carry a pocket thesaurus
>>84527068
>unhappy circular green face guy
heh
>>84527137
Be grateful you realized that before it was too late for this one character at least. I wish I'd been doing it all along. All my characters sound the same. Every once in a while I think of a fun alternate way to phrase something, but I can't decide who should say it, or who should have had that dialect all along to make them more distinct. having distinct dialogue "silhouettes" is something I envy in other work.
>>84527137
>reading a dictionary
Could take you a while.
>>84527203
SPOILERS:the zebra did it
>>84527068
>>84520634
>>84524859
Oh yeah, this faggot with the beanie is your alter ego, right?
I don't really follow your comic so I legitimately thought this was just some old gay character I didn't know, and who is in love with Jack.
Really weird meta inside joke.
>>84527175
Yea I hear that. My everyday way of speaking is like some kinda surfer/90s rad/street punk kind of guy. Trying to write for somebody whos supposed to be well educated and well spoken the hardest shit for me.
>>84527300
Nah, that beanie dude is my avatar for most of my social media.
Also it's not really my alter ego, it's just me, I even have the beanie.
>>84527313
It's even harder when your everyday way of speaking is like a radical surfer who's also well-spoken and educated.
the kinda guy that, like, when he says 'copacetic' he actually knows what it meansoh god i need to look it up now
>>84527242
I know, I already ready it. Though that plot was all over the place. Way too manycharactersYour joke is classic and way better than mine
>>84527351
>>84527300
>beanie
isnt a beanie a small round cap, whether tight against the skull or sitting neatly atop it, with or without a small useless brim?
this looks like a rasta hat had babies with a cat in the hat raver hat
>>84527393
that's becausei stole mine from the simpsons
>>84527354
oh nevermind, it's a made-uppy faux-intellectual word that derives from low-class usage. no wonder I didn't know it.
>>84527403
Well, I mean, not all beanies have the brim, and I may have extended it's legnth a little bit in the comic for cartoonish effect.
>>84527448
>and I may have extended it's legnth a little bit in the comic for cartoonish effect.
he explains to the disappointed sex worker
>>84527300
>>84527403
>>84527448
Wait that's not his hair ?
>>84527489
The black point parts are the hair.
Two triangles in the front, two triangles in the back.
>>84527487
zing!
wait wouldn't a hooker prefer a smaller one? yknow, less work for her?
>>84527548
Call-girl, Cyril ! They're only hookers when they're dead !
Anons...
I'm having so much fun with my shity fancomic that I feel guilty for being so awfully slow at working. And, well, so amateurish. But damn, it's so fun I sometimes find myself drawing or painting very late in the night.
Question: the second to last panel (red) is a scene that doesn't belong to the sequence. I want to make it stand out. Any suggestions?
>>84528327
hey man if you're having fun, that's awesome. own it.
so far, not-being-colored makes it stand out, but what exactly do you want it to feel like? a flashback? imagination? obviously there's traditional cliches like flashbacks being sepia or grayscale, imagination being wreathed in clouds.. but you can represent those without being totally literal
>>84528355
Well, all of them are flashbacks, in a way: they're memories in the dream of a character, but not the red one, which is the memory of another character that gets mixed in.
>>84528498
okay then, what you wanna go with for sure is a very different shading styloe. i'd say either full gradient paintingy stuff, or hard chiaroscuro with no highlights
>>84528547
There's an explosion in the chain of not belonging scenes, so I think I'll go with the full gradient think. Besides, it fits, because that character's story will be made with pencils and watercolors in actual paper (because it's all original content outside licensed stuff).
>>84528681
>think
Thing That's what happens when you post sleepy.
Is this a good height for an antagonist? or too average?
>>84529713
I guess it's depends on the kind of character he is?
>>84529713
>>84529757
And how tall your heroes are too.
>>84529713
i think a mofo this skinny needs to be tall or else he'll just seem stupidly weak.
but considering he has gigantic meaty paws and an even bigger boomstick, he doesn't need to be SUPER tall. this current height is fine
>>84529713
He could stand to be a little taller, maybe his head stops at where his hair extends in this height chart.
>>84529757
supposed to not be too physically imposing, just mentally imposing
>>84529850
Protagonist is about the same height
>>84529875
>>84530106
I'll take both of these into consideration. thanks!
Just discovered that so far I have about 60 failed login attempts into my webcomic site. Why are people such fucking creeps? Fucking assholes.
>>84530172
i like that KKKnight
>>84530571
Thank you. he likes you too
>tfw you should've never been allowed near a tablet
>>84530757
>tfw Bum Tickley uses an extremely expensive and extravagant tablet to slide his pre-drawn assets into place for his four-panel comics and does nothing else with it at all
>tfw he got it crowdfunded
>>84531157
there is no god
>Staying up all night making background characters
Why do I love making them so much? I refuse to make a generic background character
>>84531942
That's the spirit !
>>84531157
How could make this without an extremely expensive and extravagant tablet though ? You just wouldn't be able to.
>>84529713
Upgrade your approach to character creation. Everything can and should have a reason because fictional characters aren't randomly generated. Would six feet be tall compared to other characters, would it make him more imposing? Do you want him to look imposing? Shit like that.
>>84531942
Fuck it, while I'm up I'll get some opinions from /co/
Rate my background characters. Have in mind that these are literally all first draftsThey all work at a bar (the shades and the vest thing are uniform), and they will all probably only show up for one or two panels unless I love the designs enoughI'm the same guy who posted the skeleton character in the last thread, incase the style seemed familiar
>>84532126
The bird works. The others, not so much.
Try using finer lines for everything except the outlines. You did it with the girl's mouth, but try doing the same thing for places where the character overlaps itself. The shapes will read much better.
Try making the shades smaller, too. Right now they're so big they don't even read as eyeglasses.
>>84532325
This. apart from the anons advice - I like them though.
>>84532325
Thanks for the advice
I've been wanting to do that outline thing, but for some reason I keep forgetting and just making all the outlines the same size. I really need to get it in my head that I need to do that.
Also the shades are supposed to be ridiculously big. That's sortof the joke I guess
Next time I draw something I'll use your outlining advice though.
>>84532486
Thanks man. I'm always terrified to post here because if I fuck up, my style looks god awful, but I'm honestly proud how these nerds came out.
It's a filler update!
Titillating the readers with various crops from the layouts for issue 3.
>oh man drawing hands sure is hard
>i know, will make an mtg comic
Its gonna take some restrain to actually show cards being played and not just toss everything in a speech bubble
>>84532956
>mtg comic
Like, a fanfic about Jace or about nerds playing magic ?
>>84532956
You can always look at yugioh for some inspiration for hand poses!
>>84525558
>>84526070
While most Christians are *known* to live in the United States and Europe, their people do in fact have a major country with a capital, an organized military, a leader and a plan to take the world that has been denied to them for centuries. I'd tell you more, but then I'd be giving things away.
>You can't say most are peaceful when they go on a crusade.
You're right. I should have reworded that.
At some point in history, people the more organized nation starts a rebellion that develops into these Crusaders. While the majority of outcast Christians are decent, there definitely are many who believe that their religion and culture is superior to others and desire to crush everyone else.
>>84523859
>and approximately what period your story takes place in
Also, not biting off more than I can chew, but this story will be told in different time periods, starting with a main storyline, and, later, I'd go into other eras, from paleolithic times to the space age.
I'd like to give more details, but again, the existence of the homeland is a huge plot reveal that I need to save for my future readers.
Sorry if that's vague.
>>84532020
I've seen worse people with cintiqs.
>>84533541
>a major country with a capital, an organized military, a leader and a plan to take the world that has been denied to them for centuries
You sure this ain't about Jews ?
>>84529713
I don't think height matters as much as people think with an antagonist. It's all about his presence. Pyramid head for example wasn't any taller than silent hill's protagonist without the helmet and was kind of fat as well. But with how he is presented you don't even notice because he doesn't need that to be intimidating. Try out some things you wouldn't consider otherwise, it might make for a more interesting character. The one you're showing right now is very generic.
>>84534121
I don't follow you, goy.
>>84533116
the latter, mtg lore bores me
>>84533464
may end up doing this, I know its always better to draw from real life but there aren't many dynamic pictures of nerds playing magic
>>84534276
>there aren't many dynamic pictures of nerds playing magic
I got flashbacks of my magic days, and you are right. Watching people play magic is about as exciting as watching some poker.
>>84534276
The good thing about hand poses is that you can just grab a few cards and imitate them if you need a more anatomically accurate ref. Just snap a picture with the help of a mirror and you're good to go.
@BuenosDiazArt My twitter and facebook
https://www.tumblr.com/blog/buenosdiazart
http://luckyhazard.the-comic.org/
two-page update. this is the lore dump chapter.
>>84534764
I feel like I've seen this joke done before quite a bit, but you did a good job picking an embarrasing costume for him, so that balances it out somewhat.
You might want to consider scanning your pages in greyscale or converting them to greyscale once you have them on your computer - right now the yellowish areas of the paper make the whole thing look kind of dirty/messy.
>>84535028
This word bubble placement is fucked.
>>84535170
what's the general order i should put word bubbles in?
do you guys read it starting from the left, down, then to the right, down? or left to right then down?
>>84535324
The main problem was the stems and where the point. In the first panel of the crop I posted, Gats' word bubbles have a stem that makes it look like the mermaid girl is saying them. In the second panel, is the mermaid girl supposed to be saying that first word bubble? Because context leads me to believe yes, but the stem is pointing to Gats.
I'm still having a hard time finding a style i find would fit. I love Becky Cloonan's and Darwyn Cooke's work and would like to work out a hybrid of the two.
>>84535360
ah yikes. i'll touch those up real quick.
More experiments with time efficient art styling for "Vegabonds" which is a sci-fi comedy I've been working on. I think this is my best one yet. Input as always is greatly appreciated.
Hyla is a duplicitous and secretive Martian gunslinger. Tobie Jr is a malfunctioning Children’s medical droid. CIN is an honor-bound stealth cyborg from earth. Trype is an ex-supermodel, villified from her home planet due to her pursuit for technology. All of them have left their home-worlds for different reasons and are now lost in space, the only thing that unites them is that they are all now vegabonds.
>>84535028
I love how over the top your comic is and you have some interesting character designs, but somehow the comic doesn't really read very well. Partially that's because of what >>84535170 said about the speech bubbles, and partially because between the pastel palette and lineless style I sometimes don't know what's going on in a panel at first glance. I can usually figure it out fairly quickly, but the moment it takes me to do that takes me out of the story, so as a result the reading experience feels choppy.
>>84535388
Can you stop being an asshole and post some art, I keep commenting on your posts but you don't respond , wtf are you here for
>>84535584
Is this gonna be 3-D?
>>84535584
I like your design and style a lot, but I'm not so fond of the color choices. I know you want to go with a red and blue theme, and to a degree that works to unify the group despite their otherwise very different looks, but right now Hyla is the only one who stands out at all. It might help to give every main character an additional color of their own to help them stand out against background characters, or to experiment with different shades of blue and red to create more variety while still sticking with your overall color scheme.
>>84535629
Fine, Ill post something by Friday, Got to restock on some pencil sets and/or usb cords when I don't have to work.
>>84535584
Hyla's knees don't make much sense in profile, and it's odd having all the fingers extend so low onto the palm, especially when the upper line of the thumb doesn't extend into the palm. I can see that making it hard to distinguish the thumb from the rest of the hand. With those thick lines you're also probably better off going the four fingers route rather than having razor thin lines on glued-together fingers, and inconsistent finger numbers.
Also you've got to look pretty closely at Cin to tell what's going on with the fingers and legs. Either move them apart a little so they read as distinct objects or at least maybe lighten the hands so they pop into the foreground more. There are probably other solutions you could try. Point is keep fucking around with it cause it's vague as is.
Red pops out of your blacks and dark grays way better than most of your blues do value-wise. This gets weird on anybody with two-colored eyes.
Trype's high saturation throughout makes him feel a little out of place with the others.
Also, there are a lot of colors that will read as gray. You don't always have to have precisely zero saturation. If you haven't tried giving your grays slight hues, you should check it out and see how it works. A green-gray might help the reds and blues pop a little better (G is equidistant from R and B, but farther from either than purple is).
>Hyla's a sneaky gunslinger
Gun's not prominent. Clunky boots and baggy stuff don't read as sneaky.
>Tobie's a children's medical droid
He's kid height so that's cool, but not much about him says medical. Claw hands make it seem like he'd be bad at his job before breaking. Maybe that's the joke, like with Zoidberg. Not getting much malfunction beyond a crooked antenna.
>CIN is a stealth cyborg
You got some wiggle room with tech stealth, because maybe he cloaks. But he's tall and busy in ways that make it hard to imagine what he looks like actually sneaking anywhere.
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>>84535584
>>84535971
>Trype is an ex-supermodel
I like the joke
>vilified for pursuit of technology
Vague as hell. Is this plastic surgery? A fetish? Why are they a cyborg and why do their people care?
Beyond the ugly supermodel gag, will this character carry themselves like a supermodel? Like what is the look supposed to communicate?
Oh, and a final note that I didn't notice until late:
The two peaks at the top of CIN's design are going to be weird to draw in many poses. Just think about looking at this guy from the front. Maybe play with these features, maybe pick one peak to be bigger and more important than the other.
>>84535596
thanks for your feedback! the pastel palette is a thing i enjoy, but i do realize that it could lend to some clarity issues so i'll try to up the contrast between the characters and the background.
Oh hey, plot.
>>84536200
You could also try working more with hue shifts instead of just contrast to show distance , that's something a lot of artists do whose coloring mainly consits of pale watercolor washes.
You might have to look up some information about how color and light work to get that right though, because I don't think I can do a good job explaining that properly in a post.
>>84536259
I really enjoy the wobbly street lanterns in the last panel, as well as the color scheme. I need to get around to reading your archives.
>>84535659
Nah, it's called Vegabonds because none of these characters align with either of the two universal factions. One of which (blue) believes the end goal of all species is immortality through machines. The other end (red) believes the only way to exist fully is through the cycle of nature. Vegabonds work with both factions as peacekeepers so neither of them becomes disproportionately powerful and conquers the other side. They're peacekeepers. This is a play on the two party systems in near every sci-fi in existence and how often they use red and blue as identifying colors (Star Wars, the Matrix, Tron, Lain, etc) yet you never see any kind of third party that serves as a mediator.
>>84535674
Yeah i was worried about Hyla's use of green. I think you're right about giving each one a subtle color along with their team colors. Does this look any better?
>>84536058
Well all of those descriptions are vague. All of them have very intricate backstories. Trype is part of a species called Trog-Blatterans that quickly devolve with every generation and since they're part of the red faction mentioned above they believe this is progress and what nature intended and shun technology. Trype was considered the most beautiful because of her complete lack of functioning eyes and skeletal structure. To combat this she developed technology in secret with other renegade technicians to help combat these issues. She invented the "spine bag" which keeps her upright like a skeleton would and has many other implants peppering her body to the point where she used a popular blood replacer that doubles as a machinery coolant (hence the blue skin) since she essentially destroyed the things that made her attractive and committed heresy against their beliefs she was purged.
Interesting point with CIN's peaks. I'll make the one on his robe shorter from now on, thanks.
>>84536338
will do. thanks again!
>>84536423
>Does this look any better?
A lot better, actually.
>>84518079
Is your comic hosted anywhere? I'd love to read it
>>84535971
Woah, i appreciate all the feedback. It's a lot to take in. I'll definitely be using less grays, I didn't realize how bad it looked. I'll definitly have to work with hands more as well.
>Hyla
She is not sneaky, she's secretive from her own teammates. She tries to play it off as if she has a tragic and mysterious backstory when in reality she left mars to get away from her numerous embarrassing family members. I didn't include props in this image because every other picture I've done with her has been with her guns.
>Tobie
He has a tray that folds out from under his arms with surgical tools on it. He was never meant for actual procedures, he was essentially a mascot used as an elaborate end table. It'll be shown in dialogue how corrupt he is, it happens gradually and his inability to perform medical tasks is a plot point.
>CIN
90% of the time he'll be covered up like in this picture, and whenever his arms are in view his cloak will drape back like a poncho. I chose a terrible pose for his arms in that pic. I'll avoid it in the future.
Thanks again for the feedback, it helps a lot. This image has some of the stuff I was referring to.
>>84536769
Nice, this is why I come to these threads. They actually help me improve.
>>84530488
whoa, how do you know that? I feel like I should check on that myself
>>84536957
Is Cin the love child of General Grievous and a necromorph ? Digging the overall style.
>>84532528
look up real life oversized novelty shades. they still have more shape than that, not a huge thick nosebridge
>>84536957
>Thanks again for the feedback, it helps a lot.
No problem. I know how important it is to nail some of these details in advance, and kind of wish I knew better how to handle this stuff when I started.
>Responses.
In a general sense, I think it's important to telegraph the pertinent details either by aesthetics or features. I might have missed the point of some of the characters from brief descriptions, but it's still a good thing to keep in the back of your mind. Robot does read better as a mascot than a surgeon, though.
Oh, and another thing I forgot to mention was to look into gamut masking as a way to generate and rationalize limited color palettes. You might or might not end up capping the saturation on your purples a smidge lower. Not like reads-as-gray low, but just a little lower than what you've got on the left here.
Anyway, good luck with your project. I'm looking forward to seeing how this stuff turns out.
>>84535170
the real problem is the tails
>>84535596
I agree with the difficulty in reading, but it has gotten SO much better since it began, back when they were fighting a mushroom monster. By comparison now it reads fine
>>84526182
And that's my quarter annual WIP posting for the thread.
>>84537388
I wanted tried to combine aspects of IG-88, General Grevious, EV-9D9, the 2014 robocop, Giger's Alien, Infil-traitor from Xevoz, and the executioners from Pathologic.
>>84537408
I've never heard of Gamut masking but it seems like it will be really helpful. I understand what you mean about the character design, I'll try and work on it more. Thanks again.
>>84532794
Have you announced who the guest artists are already? Or are they the same as before?
What do you think about these figurines?
I know enough to draw single characters pretty well, but as soon I try more one interacting with perspective and shit, my brain melts down.
For me, buying one to pose seems useless and wasteful, but having two or more feels like it would help me so much, especially knocking out poses so I don't have to spend hours just sketching out figures in space.
And 3D features in manga studio was infuriatingly clumsy and slow, I imagine myself playing with these guys to get the poses I wants effortlessly.
They're also like 40~70 bucks, but its Japanese nerdtoys for collectors and such.
I don't know, thoughts?
What are the pros of having your comic in hiveworks? I saw the catalogue and at least art wise every comic looks either generic or like shit
>>84537821
Your comic can look generic or like shit and you still get people to look at it.
>>84537821
ELITE TOP GUN ONLY THE BEST
>>84537775
I tried that and ended up coming back to studying photos, but it's always useful to have a tridimentional object. Lets face it, the doll wont have the real movements a human body will but I think its useful for proportions and such
>>84537872
It's sad that you're making fun of wanting to make the best art for your audience
>>84537821
They assist with the advertising and web design so you can focus on the comics-making part of things.
I haven't heard anything about how it is to work with them, though.
>>84537821
Filtered aggregators present acceptable quality content so that the reader doesn't have to wade through hundreds half-made never updating garbage that is the webcomic scene.
>>84537909
What does that have to do with hiveworks tho
>>84537921
>>84537923
Sounds nice
Recently got back into drawing with the intent of doing something productive.
Been reading through Jack Hamm's cartooning book and doodling when I can (I get a lot of time to do it while at my desk at work), and I'm having a lot of fun and seeing some progress, but I'm wondering if any of you guys know of some kind of book/site/youtube channel with lessons or exercises that should help my general hand-eye coordination when it comes to drawing - drawing smoother lines, rounder circles, better spacial awareness (eg. being able to draw two eyes the same-ish size the first time without having to measure or keep redrawing), is there anything like that?
>>84537775
drawing two people entwined is my kryptonite too. unfortunately yeah as >>84537878 said, it's only going to help with proportion because the interactions between soft flesh require.. soft flesh. that, and no doll has ever replicated the complexity of the human hips and shoulders.
>>84537443
That's what I said. See >>84535360
>>84537821
>generic
good is inevitably going to be generic as more people copy it, and I bet the ones that look like shit, do so because they were trying not to be generic.
>>84538107
Peter Han has a few good exercises in the preview demo. I don't know about the paid thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
Aside from that, /ic/ recommends Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, which has a lot of exercises that sharpen your eye to proportions.
Try asking in the /ic/ beginners' thread.
>>84537775
I have never owned these specific ones, but one problem I ran into with similar figures/dolls is that it's really hard to pose them like the ones in your foto, even with a doll stand. They fall over, or a joint is floppy and the arm bends down because gravity, stuff like that.
If you give these here a try and they turn out to be good, let us know, though!
>>84537821
>>84538195
>generic
There is only a limited way to represent attractive humans in a comic.
Actual audience don't care about unique snowflake designs, and despite what John K tells you making the ugliest shit possible doesn't make your work better or more fun to read.
Most of the comics there are there becasue they are long running and the creators were able to keep and grow an audience.
>>84538140
Seconding, with the addition that even for single-figure poses, models won't tell you when and where joints lock or how weight is distributed or how fat is deformed by gravity or how muscles are deformed by their use. If you want to really git gud, there is no substitute for directed study and observation of the real thing.
>>84538195
There's plenty of shit that's good and doesn't get copied. In webcomics in particular, the odds of people knowing your thing exists in order to copy it are pretty low anyway. A Lesson is Learned But the Damage is Irreversible has still only been copied by that one hack Aaron Diaz. Hardly makes the former generic.
Reposting
>>84537594
We have all-new guest artists this time around. Petarvee, Psudonym and JMD!
