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Reposting my update from yesterday in case anyone missed it. What do you guys think?
MADE A NEW COMIC
Breaking my wrist over here with all this iterative drawing - but I'm getting noticeably better the more I keep this up. I'm hoping to do 28 sets of heads a day from front and side this month. That's about 800 heads of each this month; hopefully that's enough to help me polish my style up very fast.
>>84398862
are youn only making front and profiles?
>>84398926
I'll be switching it up each day with additional other tasks, yeah - but every day will have those heads as well.
Going to spend the day coloring the last 4 pages of my current storyarc, but lately I've been trying to dust off some old stories and characters for convention purposes.
>>84398963
hope you'r making also other angles because repeating the same pattern again and again without the concept of a tridimensional form can be become symbol drawing
>>84398862
Ah Anon, your studiousness is an inspiration. Keep at it!
>>84398862
Gotta second this guy: >>84399011
You'd probably be better off animating unique head rotations or something (so let them look up in the middle, down in the middle, lead with the top and then the bottom, maybe get a back view of a head turn).
>>84399011
Well, yes, as I wrote: additional tasks. I also intend to try and improve my waists, hands, feet, arms, legs, and flexibility.
But even though I'll be also doing those things, I will every day commit to 28 front and side heads.
>>84398713
i think her eyes are mismatched in the second panel. but i said that yesterday
Working on a character redesign for the comic. He started out as a hoop guy with a skull head, but didn't think it worked too well. I think now I'm going for more of a junkyard guy who's collecting junk in this cave.
I suppose I could repost, having gotten in at the end of the last thread, but really the last two comics were kind of a pointless diversion that I almost skipped
Wip from end of last thread.
AEON, the Arcane, Esoteric, and Occult Neutralization force. In 1945, when it became clear that German Furor's research into the Occult was a legitimate threat after the sudden and suspicious death of FDR, the OSS reach out to the Allied forces to assemble a team and put a stop to it. With the assistance of the French DST, Brittan's MI5, and the Russian MGB, the Wehrmacht never got the boost from the Nazi magic.
Fast forward to the end of the war, the UN is established and the OSS, along with members from the aforementioned Intelligence Agencies got together and formed AEON, and with the alliance of various cults and covens of the world, we keep Magic out of the hands of dangerous people and out of any countries scientists and armed forces.
>>84398690
Doing some shit with fellow artists. I fucked up werewolf guy, but I will re do him on another sheet later.
I kinda want to look up Scooby Doo covers to study then and try to replicate the vibe.
>>84400266
Fuck, sorry about that. The bigger took the picture sideways.
>>84400266
>insert doggie-style joke.
>>84400266
Cleaned it up a bit because I was bored, would have been a lot easier had you not taken it with a phone and with your shadow over it... and not cleaning your lineart.
>>84400634
You shouldn't have. You really went out of your way for it. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.
>>84400753
It took like a few minutes, had you a real scan it would have been like a minute.
One thing is that the head of the wolfguy is a little off, for it to be as far to the side as it it, the head should be twisted more towards the camera if you understand what I mean.
>>84400807
an easier way to solve both issues would be to grab the eyes and pull them forward. more cranium, less snout.
>>84399302
eagerly awaiting more of this
also just cause i love to stimulate conversation, how is everyones comic doing in terms of fans? getting more? losing fans? do you even care?
me, I've got 1 fan, he's a cool guy
>>84400912
Compared to the all-time high in mid 2014, we've lost around 10% of our readers. But the number of Patreon supporters is almost set in stone at a really high level.
>>84400807
Thanks, I'll see what can I do.
Oh man, I always feel like a dick when people are trying to help me out in a thread but I have to be off to do stuff IRL; sorry about that everyone.
>>84395829
>The guys they're visiting are basically Normans, right?
Basically yes; I love the Norman Invasion or Anarchy-era knight, I was generally looking at 1100's and early 1200's equipment.
Like I said, I don't mind THAT much if a piece if equipment is too modern for the time period I'm basing it on. This comic's got a High Middle Ages civilization living RIGHT NEXT to an Iron Age Celtic civilization.
Something like the Nasal Helm was what I was initially going for but that left the squishy eyes too exposed. The Kettle Helm solves the exposed eyes problem so I COULD go for that; in that arc he has a helmet made to accommodate his cartoon frog face. Even if the Kettle Helm wasn't invented until the 1300's, they didn't have talking frog knight in the 1100's either.
>>84396119
You can do, Anon. We believe in you!I'm planning to have em make a cameo during the "Scandinavian Folklore" story arc
>>84397705
Yeah; had I drawn him with a more "realistic" frog-face, the helmet would have been completely different. Alas, he's a VERY cartoony frog, so what his main concern would be to protect those eyes. Again, it'll depend on how much I decide practicality is important (which I tend to think is very important for characters who don't have magic powers)
>>84400912
Long time no see. It's hard to tell. I think I have at least 30 people giving a shit about my work. Almost certainly not yet 60 though.
I'm not complaining, though. I'm slow as shit, not terribly engaged with whatever communities there are for this stuff, and making something kind of niche anyway. For all that, I'm surprised I've done so well.
>>84401066
Oh, and one last thing
>I can't into Richards.
Don't say tha1, CGGuy! You can very much into Richards!
>>84401029
nothin like a loyal fanbase
>>84401072
yeah sometimes i try to just lurk, also i hear you, I feel bad sometimes asking for readers because i really don't read to many comics myself, just the ones i really like
>>84400912
i'm getting attention from you guys at least, and that feels great
also i fucking adored this page, on like, three levels. at least. three.
>>84401303
thanks dude
>>84400912
>implying I have any fans left to lose
>>84400912
Comicfury tells me I've got 29 subscribers, and I usually get 30-40 uniques on updates, so I figure there are about 35 consistent readers. I just need to grow that figure by a factor of twelve and I might be able to pay my caffeine addiction with the patreon moneys, ha ha.
I suppose I can't complain, since I've never bothered trying to attract readers. Figured I should have a product worth advertising first, and I'm having a hell of a time putting a proper website together. Probably just being a coward - if I actually get to the point of trying to tell the world, I might just discover that even if they knew about it they still wouldn't like it.
>>84401984
Do you already have a patreon? My stats are in the same ballpark.
>>84402073
Nah, I'm judging by the reported readership and Patreon income of various posters here. Also I can't into math, that should've said "by a factor of fifty". Oops.
>>84400912
I have a little over 550 followers on my tumblr, and actual pages get about 35 to 80 notes each (updates with multiple pages tend to be in the 100 - 135 range.) I don't have any kind of tracking so I don't know how many "regulars" I have, but I'd guess about 30.
>>84400912
I tend to have always a good 40-50.
They never comment, and they still check up even thought I said updates aren't coming until wednessday.
It's a little weird, but I'm cool with it.
>>84401984
>>84402160
What's your comic?
>>84400912
About to hit 40 followers on Tapastic and my new pages average around 40 views. Get 2-3 new followers with each update, so pretty pleased so far, especially since what I got so far is kinda shit.
Cute comic you got there, by the way. Reminds me of Regular Show's humor.
>>84402742
Carrion Girls.
>>84400912
ive got about 246 tumblr followers for mine and most my pages get about 25 notes an average now so thats probably my amount of regs
>>84402775
Damn, dude. You deserve way more readers. I've got you linked on my site in a "comics we like" section of the about page but it only helps so much.
>>84402945
Well like I said, I'm not complaining. It's my own dang fault for not marketing it.
I really appreciate that though man. I'd link you back, but, y'know, the whole "can't get around to doing a proper site". I've been meaning to add a link to The Green Knight since february.
>>84400912
Really great, actually. Thanks to
Things are looking up!
I've always felt like 'fame can wait, i can be popular someday even after the comic is finished'
and now i'm just like... wait, can that happen? does that ever happen? it's not as much fun surely not being able to be part of the now, and anticipating updates with other fans
>>84403439
You gotta accept you may never be popular at all... making has to be more than half of the reward.
>>84403762
fame is the wrong word. i just want interest, and a lot of people enjoying it.
I made this what do you thhink?
>>84404049
awww his bird wife is dead..
that watercolor looks like it was fun to do
>>84404049
Liking the images. Kind of hard to tell what's happening. Curious to see more.
>>84404049
Looks cute and potentially interesting, but I think you could polish up your art/paneling.
It took me a while to realize the bird guy was looking towards the back seat because the background in that panel was so messy. Additionally, I think a panel showing bird dude stopping the car on the road could help improve clarity, because right now that last panel kinda comes out of nowhere.
A few days ago I pitched a "webcomic" that was basically the story of humanity's First Contact with an alien intelligence told through a series of fake screenshots from various real life websites. In that time I've been developing the idea and would like some input.
First and foremost, I can't think of a good title. Right now all I'be got is "First Contact", which is kinda lame and shares an unfortunate similarity to an existing Star Trek movie. Any ideas?
Secondly I've been playing with different ideas for the aliens themselves.
The first idea is a species that shares a lot of surface similarities to humanity, morphologically and societally. Their most prosperous culture has a structure vaguely similar to democracy, there are rough parallels in terms of technology, entertainment, social structure, etc. one of the major differences is that their olfactory senses are much, MUCH more powerful than humans', which leaks into their culture and even language. Due to their advancements in technology (roughly 400 years ahead of our own), their main source of entertainment and global communication is something similar to the matrix; a sort of neurological virtual reality hook up where almost anything is possible called the "Dream". The Dream, however, is heavily regulated due to it's extremely addictive nature.
The second species is much less human. They are born into a strict caste system that has both morphological and social ramifications. Soldiers are born soldiers, workers are born workers, etc. they're also hermaphrodites, meaning any individual can get any other individual pregnant. As they evolved as herbivores, their society is very heavily agricultural, and wars are far less frequent. Parents do not raise their own young; once born, a child is raised by their community. Given that they evolved on a tidally locked planet, their main sensory organ detects infrared light, although they do have weak eyes that can see in the visible spectrum.
Thoughts?
>>84404653
first contact / contact is totally overused, even star trek aside.
you should just make it something you can believably see the media adopting. something stupid like all the 'gates' and other bullshit they invent to sell clicks. some kind of dumb catchy abbreviation .. invayysion or something.
why would anyone with a matrix bother to explore other planets? i guess it would have to be regulated for them to bother doing anything else.
a heavily agriculturally-focused race would have even less excuse to visit other planets. and i take it you mean the DARK side of a tidally locked planet.
>>84404653
>wars are far less frequent
How do you figure? Herbivores can be plenty aggressive, and they'd still have all the reasons humans have for waging wars. If you can't slaughter your livestock and eat 'em in a year with a bad harvest, your only option is to trade or fight for the neighboring tribes' harvest.
>>84404797
Like I said, it's very heavily regulated to prevent society from imploding. You can only use it for a certain amount of time a day, so peoe still have jobs and lives outside of the Dream.
Both species, I've decided, have one thing in common: their technology has advanced to the point where they've essentially "cured" aging, so child-bearing is effectively outlawed, or at the very least, very heavily curbed. One of the reasons the aliens want to explore other planets is to colonize and expand, giving the underclass a right to have children. At a later point in the story, there will be an "arc" where the aliens try to negotiate a right to build small settlements on earth for exactly that purpose.
>>84404961
Yeah, you're probably right. I'm not sure why I assumed herbivores would be less violent.
>>84404653
The Matrix, even an addictive one, is done to death. Just to start.
If you want a fresh spin, make totally fabricated realities implausible and cartoonish. You want a "real" experience, you want something recorded by someone living that experience.
You can get weirder with this by allowing a "game" form where people "pilot" each other around the real world, with the vessels being compensated in cash.
Even if you don't do that, you can imagine what stars in this new media would do. Porn, crazy sport shit normal people can't do, snuff films (either as the killer or the victim).
And your messy complication could be the personalities of the recorders vaguely infecting those of the viewers. You associate the smell of mothballs with some bad shit that happened to you as a kid? Now so do fifty other people.
This would feed better into a story of alien contact. They crave our ersatz experiences, but reactionaries are against the memetic dilution of their own culture. In fact, you can totally forgo physical contact with the aliens able to offer fucked up compensations to people willing to live as entertainers. Physical upgrades or whatever.
Your social media attention whores would be ideal candidates to do fucked up shit for attention, and while the reader would only see our side of it, you'll have better opportunities for thematic parallelism.
>>84401029
>Compared to the all-time high in mid 2014, we've lost around 10% of our readers
Why do you think that is?
>>84405161
my memory's a bit fuzzy but I think that's when I quit reading it because it got all politically reprehensible in ways I couldn't continue to look the other way about.. lot of america-bashing as I recall..
>>84402775
I don't use Comic Fury and I keep forgetting when your site updates so I check a couple times a week. I really want word of your comic to get out there. I'm doing my part, for whatever it's worth.
>>84405022
This is a pretty good idea.
>>84405415
You could even have the aliens "pay" in sims. At first it seem like they're from the home world, but it turns out the sims are from other worlds they've already ruined.
>>84404094
>>84404061
>>84404103
thanks! I'll correct thse for my next strip, my aim is to tell these stories in the less amount of panels
>>84405022
>You want a "real" experience, you want something recorded by someone living that experience
Strange Days. 1995. Kathryn Bigelow.
>>84405493
You could call the phenomenon "life-casting" or something similar.
>>84405653
Also Being John Malcovich and a handful of others I'm sure. Everything's been done, but some things are done less than others or dovetail better with this or that.
As far as I know, it hasn't been mashed up with Childhood's End just yet.
Awright! Did some fixings based on what was suggested on the last thread. I would appreciate another revision.
Alternate version just for fun :^)
http://imgur.com/erxdHCG
>>84405672
I was thinking along the lines of calling the aliens "watchers" or "followers." Sounds like a cliche scifi alien name, but it's also sort of a social media thing.
"Life-casting" is good, but maybe emphasizes live broadcasting or streaming connotations and downplays the recorded and revisited bits. Which you might or might not want, depending on your handling.
new page and im going to add shading to every page now with hopes it makes the art look less flat to me.
>>84406090
ohnoes, carless whispers sink shipspers.
Sasha's wolf legs still look kind of.. detached from her waist, but it's fine
>>84406369
>hear's
>>84406479
thanks bro
>>84406369
no apostrophe, just hears.
an* angsty
she pounds on the door with the thumb side of her hand? that's..awkward
should probably say 'well-loved', one doesn't generally call oneself 'loved'
struggling with A lame family comma
led her to*
raccoon girl's* trusty amigo
also that word bubble is a bit hard to read.. the text seems a little thick, even compared to the smaller word bubble in the last panel which is easier to read
that said, this is fuuucking hilarious. i love the terrible underwear and long gloves combo
>>84406514
also
>a angsty
>>84406522
>she pounds on the door with the thumb side of her hand? that's..awkward
No she doesn't. It's really obvious she's rapping it with the back of her hand/knuckles. Are you retarded? Or blind?
Oh wait, you're coldfusion. So yes.
>>84406522
oh jeez i normally knock with the back of my hands index finger knuckle so thats what i was trying to show but im guessing other people dont do that now haha
but thanks for the spell/grammar check though!
>>84406369
Are your humans supposed to have 5 fingers or 4, it changes with each panel
>>84406668
i see it not. Usually when you have a bunch of ocean-wave lines surrounding a spot, to me that implies you're looking down at the impact site. it didn't help that I couldn't see the angle of the door. What i would do is draw motion-lines on the right side of the hand
>>84406818
i see it now*
>>84406700
4 but some hand positions dont look right with 4 so i use 5, its a habit i picked up just switching between the two but i will stick with 5 for future pages
>>84406587
Is every person in this thread Coldfusion to you? Geeze.
i edited everything and even changed the fingers to be consistent im hoping there isnt any other mistakes i missed
>>84406668
You are correct that's totally fine way to knock
>>84407324
1. apostrophe before cause , no apostrophe in intros
4. with _a_ lame family
>>84407823
damn im full of mistakes today
>>84407989
well you're from foreign lands, right? you have an excuse. the flipside is your food tastes better.
>>84408026
im from the uk my grammar just sucks
>>84408148
oh god. so that food thing isnt even true. i'm sorry.
that explains why you were able to capture zeki's cold unfeeling parents so perfectly
>>2592749
Didn't see a sketchbook thread. Made some cat faces, I've been dealing with a strange art depression where drawing feels like a chore, now.
What does /co/ think of my little graphic design doodles on the left side?
Have a Tumblr if anyone wants it.
>>84408468
not exactly the right thread for it, but.. meh. the standing-up kitty is cute.
that's a sad kinda depression. why does it feel hard? because the results are certainly coming out.. and this is pencil so it doesn't look like you're wasting a lot.
>>84408533
Should have said "post your art" thread.
Made a thread on /ic/ a month ago. There are more responses I saved, but basically, I took a break for a while. Then I just felt like drawing kitties on night during my security guard shift. So I did.
It wasn't art block, for me... drawing just got tedious for me for a bit.
Managed to finish and properly scan this one. I changed the Werewolf head, but something still feels off.
I decided to keep the eyes simple so it doesn't contrast with his human form, but I think that's what's bugging me.
I'll try to find new alternatives in the future.
>>84403155
>I've been meaning to add a link to The Green Knight since february.
Heh, I've been working on doing the same for your but these past couple of months have been insane for me with job interviews and now preparing to go to the UK. I actually do feel guilty for not getting it done sooner after the help you gave me in writing the end of the first arc
You get about the same amount of views I get too, and I'm also TERRIBLE with Marketing. I used to get almost 200 with each update back when I was going back and forth between /hyw/, my site, and tumblr; but I haven't had the time to do ANYTHING for the latter.
Once I start this new job in the UK I hope my life will be a lot more stable and I'll be better able to balance work, social life, and comic.
>>84408468
Man, I feel depressed when I'm NOT drawing or writing. It the only hobby I have that feels fulfilling.
The more by buffer shrinks, the more anxious I get.
>>84408252
The UK gave us Gordon Ramsey, so the food can't be that bad...
>>84409131
His neck is too short. That's what's bugging you.
Also, the demon on the right is EXTREMELY static compared to everyone else and ruins the composition.
>>84409451
>Also, the demon on the right is EXTREMELY static compared to everyone else and ruins the composition.
Yesss! That's another thing that was bugging me. I wanted an IDGAF vibe with her, but that didn't come out very well. I can try again, why not.
As for the neck, I wanted to make him like he's cowering in fear, but that's another thing lost from brain to hand, so I can try to see if I can salvage it.
It's still a prototype cover, not final, but I want to iron all this shit while I can. Thanks a bunch!
put this up last thread, wasn't sure if many people got to see it, so here I am again. don't mind me~
>>84409131
here's what i'd do
this makes the snout less long (After all, a werewolf is part humanoid so every aspect should be a little more humanish, right?) and the head more full. then you add some kind of neck / shoulder hump and it seems more proportional
>>84409325
his entire career is about criticizing how terrible the food is though
i keed i keed, i was talking about traditional cuisine, of which most foreign lands' is better than america's own, but of which britain's is lousy. their whole history has been 'conquering other countries to get some decent-tasting grub'. just making some generalizations.
>>84410048
I moved the head a bit, but that's really helpful, thanks. I'm re-doing the Succubus atm. I probably make her walking with an annoyed expression.
>>84410079
Hey now, America invented barbecue and soul food.
>>84410116
ah, black people food. this is an odd case. people at the time wouldn't have called it american, but it has become american over time. that whole melting pot thing, but happening at a time when certain parts of the pot would never admit the other parts were in the same pot.
funny though because a lot of aspects of it are found in a million other unrelated cultures just because of a similar situation of "Being poor as fuck, having to make do with trash ingredients"
in fact the same thing happened again later with cocktails, being invented for shitty booze
actually barbecue's even weirder, caribbean food adapted by basically anyone with contact with them, but still heavily associated with slave plantations because for a while it was inefficient to try to make without slaves to do the rotating and basting and all that.
and really if you didnt call that american all you'd be left with was the british, german, and dutch food the settlers brought with them.. some of which is okay but most of which is lousy.
bump for the night
Whatever happened to the questions and challenges that got posted with each thread? I enjoyed those. They were good practice.
>>84411887
We ran out of concepts for them.
>>84412024
Can you really run out of concepts and ideas when it comes to being creative ?
Here's a challenge, let's see who comes up with the best OC based on this photo
>>84412150
That's one cool cat!!
>>84410181
>black people food
>Fried chicken
Scottish
>Mashed Potatoes
Incan and European in similar ways.
>Chit'lins, Chitterlings
English
>Anything that involves corn (cornbread/grits)
Native Americans
>Fried fish
England with Native cornmeal for fried catfish
>Black Eye Peas and okra
well finally It's African.
>>84383354
Fourth page.
>>84412780
why don't you make
>>84412150 's challenge?
I'd love to see it in your style!
>>84412850
>>84413085
awwww so cutee! these challenges are cool
>>84412580
incredible
>tfw you spend 90% of the time "writing" and only 10% drawing so you barely get any work done
>>84398713
Jackie is so fucking stupid. I love her.
>>84398713
So is the core of the story going to be about how Janice reconnects with her teenage daughter in disguise? Because I'm crying here this is perfect.
>>84412150
I can't post anything, but I'm having fun drawing magic cats.
>>84405161
It's very telling that he never answered that.
And this. http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/84347888/#84394673
>>84401029
Wait, huh?! The guy from Sandra and Woo posts here?
That definitely explains the sexual undertones between the kids. Also being German too I guess.
Thing happened!
somebody got dunked on
http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/147226681440
>>84400912
it's been on a steady decline since it peaked when this one guy drew porn of some of the characters
it's making a resurgence though
>>84414663
What is this graph for? Sessions?
>>84414638
I can't fap to that
you have failed your job scrublord
>>84400912
All we have to go for is our google analytics data, but we don't exactly know how to read these things.
That spike in views and users in May is from posting Abnor on /tg/, other than that, returning users seem pretty steady around the 20's, so I guess those would be our true number of fans? Pageviews fluctuate around 350~150.
Any tips on what I should be looking for in these stats? Also where do you guys advertise your comic?
>>84414929
I don't think most people here advertise.
>>84414784
yep
probably should've mentioned that
>>84414824
no
you have failed -your- job
you're not trying hard enough
>>84409574
looks perfect!
>>84415054
fapping sessions?
I have spent many hours pleasuring myself to the moth hips
>>84410048
Forgot to thank you for the fix ideas, so thank you. I did a revision, so I'd like feedback on this one if possible.
I'm reluctant to reduce the snout, but that's a personal preference, so for the time being I didn't change that.
5000 years ago, a few dozen angels decided to come down to earth to fuck a bunch of humans. Fast-forward to present day, there's still a bit of angel DNA in roughly 0.005% of the population. Now, when different strands of angel DNA meet, the child in their life will become more like an angel with powers and no rules against their use unlike the real angels. With the increase in interracial relations, these children are being born more frequently.
>>84416231
Okay but why should we care?
This is a tiny fragment of a premise, not a story.
>>84416231
Sounds like Nephilim from the Bible
>Scribble hasn't updated his comic in half a year.
It wasn't the best, but I still feel pretty blue balled since his first chapter still isn't done.
>>84416495
>/hyw/ bullied scribble so hard he abandoned his dream project
Spent some time refining the idea I had for a weekly web comic. Nothing is set in stone so any feedback is appreciated and will be considered.
>Fantasy setting
>Everyone has medieval level tech except for a group known as "The Unbidden" who have advanced tech
>Behind the high walls of their city they remain isolated from the world with no one ever going in and no one coming out
>MC is a princess of a neighboring kingdom called Estrella
>On here 20th birthday her father, the king, disappears right before the Unbidden break their isolation and attack Estrella and conquering it with ease
>MC escapes and with the help of her bodyguard they search for her father and the truth behind the Unbidden
>>84416487
Correct, I'm building a world around it. I post semi-frequently, but more as a practice of writing and the comments, both good and bad, are helpful.
Here's the two most recent pages I've done for thesuperbrothers.tumblr.com
>>84416652
>>84416649
ok, then what is the main problem that is going to be faced in this setting? Is it just going to be people coping with douche bag teens with angel powers?
>>84416652
>>84416657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHi5jDEqPB0
>>84416603
>Bullied.
My ass. This isn't even the first time he's taken a hiatus this long.
>>84416636
>advanced tech
>one city
>no contact with outsiders
This really doesn't make sense to me.
Cities can't supply themselves with food, let alone the raw materials required for post-industrial technology.
Unless by "advanced tech" you mean stuff like "infinite energy and the ability to make food appear out of air", they'd need to trade with the outside world to get the things they need.
>>84416636
That's kinda interesting but also not very detailed and rather classic. I assume your refined idea goes beyond what you posted though.
>>84416657
Sneaky rascal.
>>84416778
By "Advanced Tech" I mean like they found a stockpile of what I'd imagine our tech will look like in 50 years. As for the food thing I guess I didn't think of that. Maybe there can be sanctioned traders who are allowed to interact between them and the outside world?
>>84416791
yeah, I have some more detail, not crazy amounts though, I'm just trying to get a basic story and setting down first. If there's anything you'd like to know just ask.
>>84416685
Factions, Cults and worshipers, Gods among men
>>84416816
:^)
>>84416849
ok, but what's the Main problem? Is one faction causing problems? Are these Gods among men starting shit?
>>84416845
>Maybe there can be sanctioned traders who are allowed to interact between them and the outside world
Just have a big cathedral-like greenhouse in the city where all the food comes from.
>>84416883
I'm currently world building. Basically all magic is the gift of angels and magic, like any other faction of science, is progressed through humans increasing understanding of it. Basically the angels came down to fuck shit up just to see what would happen. The humans cant do shit.
>>84416887
could be neat. I also realized I never put thought into what the city itself would look like. I should probably get on that.
>>84416931
>Basically the angels came down to fuck shit up just to see what would happen.
These are angels of God? If so, it seems unlikely they'd do anything "just to see what happens".
>>84416845
Okay if they're not actually making new things, that reduces their requirements by a lot. What about fuel and ammo and energy? Can they make those themselves? Is everything solar powered? Did the stockpile include a geothermal-powered hydrogen cell factory that's the central pillar of their society?
What do they trade the outsiders in return for food?
It might be simpler if you make it a walled country, rather than a city. It would be a lot less improbable that they could be self-sufficient for so long, and if they were running out of resources like metals and fossil fuels that would explain why they're suddenly attacking.
>>84416845
If you wanna lay down a setting, question yourself about details and how things work. I find it keeps things fresh and stimulates creativity.
>>84416978
Originally I conceived them as self sustaining, though I do like the idea that they aren't anymore. I suppose they could trade precious materials.
as for the reason they attacked what I currently have is thathundreds of years ago when they found the stockpile they isolated themselves so that the dangerous tech wouldn't spread and they gave themselves the mantle of protecting it. They later discover that Estrella is sitting on top of an ancient nuclear weapons silo and attack so that they can keep them away from others.that being said I'm liking the idea they can't actually be self reliable and attacked for resources more and more.
>>84416495
Blame him for being a shit writer who can't pace anything for shit because all his influence is shit like Bleach and DBZ where they don't throw pacing out the window so much as jettison it into the sun.
>>84416766
He's weak-willed and lacks dedication.
>>84416953
God (or at least the being that could be considered God) in this universe, and by extension his angels, are neither good nor evil, they simple are.
>>84417233
Do you have any character designs or backgrouds of the setting?
>>84417317
Not yet, i've been playing around with different styles of drawing and I'm looking for something kind of between Cooke and Cloonan
>>84417233
Is God still like the Abrahamic God? If so then there should always be a Greater Purpose to what he does or what he commands his angels to do and not do something just for shits and giggles
>>84417059
>precious materials
Something like aluminum or diamonds would be good candidates - incredibly rare in the pre-modern world, but something you can synthesize with modern science.
>>84417772
I was thinking maybe Salt. I'm imagining that Salt would be less valuable for a people with refrigeration but needed for everyone else
my comic is finally getting to the actiony part of the first chapter! im super excited to get it out there.
www.junkyardheroes.com
>>84417641
The greater purpose is simply what he commands, the will of god, by definition, is divine. I do have plans for what exactly that "will" is, but it is endgame and only if i reach a certain threshold of support (not necessarily money) to make it that far into the story.
>>84417952
The will of God is to kill the shit Angels I bet
*Little update as suggested*
I started to get the hang of CSP, but still, this one is kinda cheating because I used vector layers for the toughest part of the lineart. One step at a time. I just wanted to blue ball SVC.
I will test brushes to make some clouds later.
>>84418039
No, all of the angels that participated in the fuckening, with the exception of one, were punished appropriately
>>84418074
>>84417938
Ok we got the first one, calm down there mate, looks neat I like the Angle ,you could work on those lines though I'm sure you know what I'm talking about (left hand and top of right leg) I'm eager to see a full page though :)
>>84417203
Oh it wasn't that bad.
He set up a conflict and got some exposition and foreshadowing out of the way.
>>84416231
It's cliche. It also demonstrates a pretty poor understanding of genetics.
>>84418074
Thumbnail made it look like somebody doing a handstand.
What's your comic, by the way?
>>84418725
Not out yet. Its' on planning stages for the time being. I wanted to make this one my first digital comic, so I'm still trying to adapt to the transition from paper to tablet.
I will post 'em here once they start rolling, for sure.
>>84418194
>it wasn't that bad
Compared to something like West Tree, yeah.
I had a question about line work. Program I use is good but lacks line pressure so the weight is always constant. Is it okay to switch between line sizes to improvise this? Especially on details where lines start getting cramped.
>>84418915
Lack pressure with a tablet? What are you using?
>>84418915
like its okay, but itll take a lot more work to do
>>84418915
Definitely switch it up, especially to differentiate interior details from outlines. Try to be consistent, though. Have 3-5 different line weights and try to stick to them.
What program is that? Are you using a tablet? There are lots of free programs that do pressure sensitivity just fine.
>>84418848
It was a freshman effort. I agree that the pacing was shit, and that this is a big deal for reader retention and so on. But I'm not really inclined to judge a guy too harshly for starting his first comic badly.
I'd be embarrassed as hell if somebody dug up my comics work out of high school. I did gamers-on-a-couch shit, but geared towards /tg/ stuff and with kind of newspapery humor.
>>84418915
Even with pressure sensitivity, manually changing the line weight is still necessary to some degree when I draw. I see no reason why you shouldn't have varied line weights.
>>84418958
>>84418973
>>84418987
Monoprice tablet, with paint.net. I tried sai but doesn't feel like I have a good handle with it. Pic related is latest thing I drew
>>84419154
im not sure about paint.net's pressure settings, but i do know that gimp has pressure sensitivity that works pretty well if youre looking for a substitute
Finished this page!
>>84419154
Nice. I never tried paint.net as well, but the line consistency for stuff like this is something I can get behind.
I don't know if there is a way to avoid the hassle of re-tracing the places you want to increase the weight of the line
>>84419270
For curiosity's sake, Dewd, how long would you say you spent on this page?
>>84419270
for a second I thought that castle was on a high platform rather than it being a tractor beam
>>84419012
>It was a freshman effort.
It's his second or third.
First one he's made a website for.
>I'm not really inclined to judge a guy too harshly for starting his first comic badly.
It didn't start badly, though. It started okay and got worse as it progressed.
But yeah, don't judge him for his comic. Judge him for the kind of person he is.
>>84418915
Ideally you'd use one thin size and go over existing lines where necessary, but who would have time for this shit?
>>84411887
>>84412024
i'd like to see them recycled honestly. we have enough new people
>>84412293
fried chicken seems to have been invented independently by a ton of people.
and a lot more soul food has african roots than that. but i'm talking mainly about stuff that originated within slave culture.
>>84414929
>Also where do you guys advertise your comic?
I've extensively advertised Miss Melee on Project Wonderful off and on since October of last year with generally excellent results; I would estimate 15-25% of our current readers came from paid advertising on Project Wonderful. I haven't used anything else for advertising but I've heard from other creators that advertising on Top Web Comics works pretty well. 4chan ads are $0.25 CPM so anyone with a bit of ad sense (rimshot) can see how those are generally not so great performers compared to other sources.
I haven't written a guide to advertising on Project Wonderful yet, but it really just boils down to picking a cost per click (CPC) that you're comfortable having, since clicks are the only thing that really matters when advertising your webcomic, and micro-manage your ads and/or automatic ad campaign to ensure you stay at or below that CPC.
I did write a guide on how to make a good ad though! (this is specifically about Project Wonderful ads but it applies to really any ad you make, regardless of which service you use).
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143807247566/how-to-make-a-good-project-wonderful-ad
>>84412780
my siiides
>>84414638
finally!
>>84416186
that's okay, it was just an idea. you want a long snout you keep the long snout. just what you've done with the neck already looks more naturalistic. now watch those sneakers, they seem to have some consistency issues and i'm not 100 percent sure they're facing the right way for that pose. I know he's twisting at the waist, but..
>>84419154
get clipstudio. it's periodically cheap.
>>84418194
Yes it is.
If your first chapter is longer than Watchmen and it's not even very good despite that, you've made a mistake.
>>84407324
Oh my god I just noticed Zeki has a boob window.
>>84419369
About 2-3 hours.
>>84419733
As I recall, it started pretty badly. Maybe I'm just picky about beginnings. I see very few of ours as particularly good. I'd even change my own if I had that kind of time, though thankfully it seems to test well with people.
In his case, the beginning didn't really instill an urge to read further, so I didn't really find out about it getting worse. Or care enough to find out he had other work, apparently.
>>84420175
It shows.
>>84420259
How many hours do you spend on your pages?
>>84420220
i was pulled in pretty instantly. but then i was following it on the blog since before there even was a comic
>>84420175
for a page like this that's not exactly a crime. what i'd ask is "did you see any of our feedback from when you posted the WIP? because we gave you feedback and it might have been useful. and that is the reason for posting WIPs here. if you don't stick around and read it then what's the point" or something
>>84420353
How many hours do you spend on yours?
>>84420390
Pretty much everybody in this thread could make a better page in 2-3 hours.
>>84420390
I've slogged through weak beginnings when they gave me... almost any kind of other hook. Good art, a genre I'm into, whatever.
His art wasn't good enough that I desperately needed more of it, the genre was far and away not my thing, and if there was anything novel about the premise or structure of the story he didn't reach that point quickly enough for it to have any bearing on my decision.
And you know Dewd doesn't get his shit together in response to feedback. His progress over the course of years is negligible compared with anyone who puts any effort into study or practice.
>>84420508
>Pretty much everybody in this thread could make a better page in 2-3 hours.
and?
>>84420515
Yeah that makes sense, the genre is what pulled me in, and somewhat the art (it was less amazing in the beginning), so if it wasn't your kinda genre it wouldn't be for you
>His progress over the course of years is negligible compared with anyone who puts any effort into study or practice.
and?
>you know Dewd doesn't get his shit together in response to feedback.
I know the opposite, considering he does, and has, and a lot of that feedback has been mine. which is why I'm disappointed he didn't this time. Iunno maybe he was tired or something, can't be 'on' all the time. Not with ADD
>>84420575
>and?
He's a child who has chosen not to work. If his drawing incorporates your advice, you've given him weak advice because he has no understanding of any fundamentals to speak of.
>ADD
Is not what you think it is, if you think it precludes putting in effort.
>>84417897
This is nifty.
Your values are a bit washed out, and your line weights kind of uniform. You might want to work on that. I like the effort you're putting into backgrounds and the relative clarity of your paneling.
>>84420508
>Pretty much everybody in this thread could make a better page in 2-3 hours.
Could you? How many hours do you spend?
![ryu-alternate-costumes-sfv-1024x592[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ErTPcxL.jpg "ryu-alternate-costumes-sfv-1024x592[1].jpg")
>>84419793
Yeah, let's have a little activity.
>In the hypothetical fighting game, what would be the alternate costumes for your character
>remember, they all need to look distinct enough from each other and the default costume that players won't get confused if they pick the same character and do a lot of crossing up
>but at the same time, it has to be obvious that it's the same character so that people who haven't unlocked the costume yet will still know which moves to expect
>and don't add anything that will obscure the character's moves too much in profile so the other player can't react as well
>And there's no budget for changing animations so you can't add anything that would make the character clip through themselves with their usual moveset, or that requires more rigging than a soft body modifier.
gogogo
>>84420875
How many hours do you spend?
>>84421118
You first, Bones.
>>84420175
That explains a lot
>>84418194
I think Scribs biggest problem was that he couldn't take criticism.
The art of his comic is actually good; but the story was okay and his character design was rather dull
I haven't posted in these threads for a while, but here's one of the newest pages of Bicycle Boy.
How is /hyw/ doing today?
>>84421118
I'll add that I spend anywhere between 8-20 hours on each page, if you guys were looking for some kind of comparison. I wonder, how long do the rest of you spend on each page? I know this gets asked all the time but I'm genuinely curious.
>>84418915
You should be okay if you use a smaller brush for fine details (facial features, jewelry, objects/people in the distance, etc), and a bigger brush for stuff in the foreground or for outlines. I think you can make it work, I've seen it pulled off really well before. Even certain artstyles look good when the whole image is drawn with one line size. Gives you a sort of 'animation frame'-type look.
>>84418074
This is great. If it were me I'd put a bit of atmospheric perspective on the body, so that it's more clearly behind the head. But I mean it's pretty fucking obvious what's happening in the image. Good work dude.
>>84417897
Love your character design. They've got super recognizable silhouettes. Panel 5 is kind of awkward though. If you're going to put stepping SFX I'd recommend actually showing both feet, because right now I'm imagining him tapping his heel to make stepping sounds.
>>84421418
I don't know what you're talking about, anon. Scribblehatch is a master at taking criticism!
>>84421502
I'm sure you didn't mean this, but I added weight to the lines of the leg and boots. If you have more suggestions, I'd love to hear them, and thanks for your feedback.
>>84421502
I don't usually clock it by hours. My pages are huge, and it's usually in the ballpark of a month to make one.
>>84421502
20 hours seems about the upper limit for me too, but like you it's hugely variable - I've had a few simple pages with lots of close-ups and few panels where it took just six-eight hours before I couldn't think of any way to improve them.
That doesn't count the first sketch of the page, though, so I guess that adds ½-1 hours of work per page.
>>84421502
>I wonder, how long do the rest of you spend on each page? I know this gets asked all the time but I'm genuinely curious
For my own sanity, I try not to spend TOO long on it, so I average 14 hours.
4 hours of Pencils, 4 hours of Ink, 1-2 hours of Lettering, 4-5 hours of color.
Worst pages involve drawing lots of water.
>>84420220
The flash-forward prologue was shit, but if you excuse the newbie exposition dump the start was simple but likable. Girl goes surfing, finds an ancient treasure, finds out she has superpowers.
It uses entire pages as if they were single panels, but that'd be excusable if there was a plot. The problem is that a metric fuckloads of inorganic exposition on the setting, people, history and powers is dumped on the reader's lap. The first real element of "conflict" is the protagonist and her friend being lured into watching another character's conflict at its climax with absolutely no context. And then the audience is supposed to buy that 2/3 of the antagonists are actually good people when they had no real character prior to yet another expo dump. And there are CONSTANT character introduction despite none of these characters fucking mattering. The mermaid and the red shark are the only two characters that matter, and yes even the protagonist doesn't matter because she's poorly defined and just serves to punch out a badguy with plot device superpowers. And even the conflict she's dragged into is uninteresting and ill-defined.
Basically, what started as a flawed but simple setup for a "bringing the group together" intro turns into an endless clusterfuck of exposition, battle scenes and hamhanded attempts at establishing character (no, having your protagonist come across a robot they liked as a kid, having a flashback, and then moving on is not effective) with a poorly defined conflict and flimsy excuses to exposition about the world and people's superpowers. It did NOT start that bad. Not at all.
>>84421525
I think the best Scribblehatch moments was when he was going on a big rant about how much a bunch of anti-free speech meanies the somethingawful comic book thread were being for making fun of his comic so I made a snide post about it in /hyw/, and he banned some random guy from the skype chat over it on a hunch and justified it by saying the guy started trouble anyway so it was probably him
Seeing scribblehatch get salty about people directly referencing the skype chat and trying to figure out who was talking about him was one of my favorite things to do back in the day
>>84422030
As in total time spent actually working on it, or do you just mean from the second you start the page until the second you finish, including time for things like sleep?
>>84422204
The wavy tipped speech bubbles bug me, but that might just be me. Also, the "Chop Chop Chop" sound effect placement, overlapping the speech bubble, makes me think that the sound is either coming from the woman off panel and or that they are happining as she is talking, almost as loud as she is talking.
>>84422357
That's extremely petty, anon.
I don't like that guy either, but why act childish if you're annoyed by how childish he is? Or rather, why revel in it?
>>84421983
Here, I meant something like this. This is a really shitty rendition of it but I mostly just mean coloring your lines and making the colors a little more washed on the things in the background. It's to make the stuff in the foreground pop.
Atmospheric perspective is when the colors of something blend into the atmosphere more, because they're farther into the background. Think of how hills look really blue when they're far away. This can be pushed to extremes in artwork (like between objects that are really close together, like this lady's head & body) but still accentuate how there's a distance between them.
This is by no means law or anything, just a suggestion. And you could even push the lineweight on her legs & head even farther than you already have.
>>84422575
Listen to this man, for he is smart.
>>84422142
Your pages have always looked like they take forever to me. The result is totally worth it but dang, your art style looks like you're moulding people out of clay, and it's super fucking cool. I can't figure out how you do it. What's your process like?
>>84422204
I feel that, anon. Drawing water is shit.
Your linework is so , so clean, though. I'm impressed you can finish it in 4 hours. I'm not really sure how much time is spent on each portion of the page in my case. And 1-2 hours is a LONG time for lettering...why does it take you so much time?
>>84422375
The latter. Former would be crazy
>>84422575
Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know about that. How does this one looks?
>>84423033
Not him, but is the light source inconsistent on the legs? Everything else looks back/top lit.
>>84422756
>What's your process like?
Uh. I guess I just roughly block in the colors on top of the more or less loose line sketch and go from there.
It's not a very structured process, so I jump back and forth a lot, often doing high-detail stuff that seems important in a panel before I do basic blocking in of colors. I don't know what impact that might have.
Here's a 13 hours earlier version of the same page for comparison.
>>84420683
it means you get bored easily. he chooses not to cause himself pain just because someone else asks him to do something he doesn't enjoy.
>>84421001
i love this activity. i don't really have the time to do it, but..
>>84423751
Shut the fuck up coldfusion.
Because long ago I made this folder, here is a folder with comics and books for making comics.
Feel free to share or pin or whatever.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9pf1nwwa92lbp/Comics_for_making_Comics
>>84422416
I understand what you mean. Perhaps I should have placed it either above or under the Chop Chop Chop. It probably didn't look right to me when I was looking for somewhere to put it.
>>84422756
>Your linework is so , so clean, though. I'm impressed you can finish it in 4 hours.
Thanks, it was something I just got faster with practice. To give you an idea, most panels take me about 30 minutes to ink (of course, simpler panels like the first one can be done in 10-15 minutes). That BIG last panel took little over 2 hours.
Giving myself "time limits" really helped me become efficient with it.
>And 1-2 hours is a LONG time for lettering...why does it take you so much time?
This page has rather simple lettering so it was probably closer to 1 hour, but I often have onomatopoeia (I think "Splash" is the one I've used the most often), some characters have different work balloons, others times I have difficulty finding the right place for them... it'll depends but I guess I just want to make sure it looks nice
>>84423751
I have ADD and even I understand three dimensional space better than he does, you apologist fuck.
>>84423970
>My mental retardation isn't as bad as some other retard's retardation
touche
>>84422235
I had the exact same problem with it. I was fine with him introducing the frog-mermaid-princess early because but the fight scene with her dragged on for way too long considering she was a character we had yet to care for.
What killed it for me was the hooded girl with Ice powers. The comic's already got this super-powered protagonist who's been almost irrelevant to the main story, seems to focus on an Sharkmen vs. Frogmaids conflict from another dimension, a big masked villain with a quarterstaff has come to their world, and ON TOP OF ALL THAT it adds this girl with ice powers, telekinesis, and a light saber. It feels like three unrelated comics brought together into a single story
I guess that makes the title "CHAOS in the Tropics" fitting, but it's kind of a mess to read despite it's actually good art.
>>84422235
constant character introduction? aside from ice girl and old man, i didn't see that
I dunno everything in chaos in the tropics feels like it's building up to something, it has only just started.. it has PERPETUALLY just started. aaand I'm okay with that. but it's something where you have to enjoy every aspect of it, because the rest of it probably isn't going to carry it.
>>84423970
>you can't use asthma as an excuse, there's asthmatics in the olympics! stop turning blue and listen to me!
>>84423875
Cool, thanks.
Do you expect it to get taken down at some point?
>>84424331
Not really, it's been up for a few years now, though not many downloads.
>>84424392
'aight, I'll see about adding it to the OP if I'm around when this thread dies.
>>84423033
That's definitely the right idea! Good job with the line weight. I'd make the colors on her torso lighter though, try to make them match the color of the sky better. As-is, it almost looks dark.
>>84424164
>>84424257
>Defending Dewd and implying his problem is the severity of his disorder instead of his personality.
Fucking seriously?
>>84424558
in this one instance, not putting enough time in, yes. it's because of a disorder. and he's working on it
are you seriously going to tell me you had the mental energy to spend hours and hours on one piece of art when you were like that? Everyone goes through that phase, he's probably stuck in it for the long haul.
>>84424903
>he's working on it
That's what he says. The fact that you still trust anything that he says anymore speaks volumes about how naive you are.
>>84424960
better naive than a hypocritical asshole
everyone works on their ability to focus their attention more. it's maddening being unable to, getting tired and bored so easily. some people resort to drugs even.
>>84425128
And other people resort to riding Dewd's dick with their tripcode off at every conceivable opportunity.
>>84423400
That's really cool, dude. Thanks for sharing!
Are there any important rules to drawing a character with pupilless eyes? Wearing a mask? Enraged? Using weather powers?
>>84425714
That's terribly vague, anon. What do you mean? Are you having trouble drawing those things?
>>84425128
No offense to Dewd, but whatever he's been trying these past few years hasn't yet gotten him to the point where he can recognize that he's given the focal character in a panel two left hands, so maybe he should discuss alternative management methods with his therapist.
>>84425825
exactly my point. That's something none of us have ever had to 'try' to do. If that doesn't describe a learning disorder, I don't know what. Some kind of dysgraphia I guess?
But I've never been one of those people that throws pills at problems. You just have to slowly work your way up to normal, at a slower speed, hoping the same basic forces that make everyone else normal will work on you, eventually.
