In Heaven, everything's fine
You do not have the professionalism to talk to Hussie
Undertale seems like the most overrated game of the current generation
>>84326911
>no Davekat image from Gelasticat in the bottom part
>>84326956
It is, but it's still a neat little game.
This is Hell.
>>84326956
It's overrated and the fanbase is trash, but it is a fun game
>>84326911
OP are you the one spouting all the RLM memes in these threads?
>>84327033
I definitely appreciate that it's a game that encourages pacifism and the ability to talk down every enemy in the game. I always love speech checks in rpgs to avoid a fight
I just didn't care for most of the humor or the writing.
>>84327110
No, but I have a mate who loves Half in the Bag
>>84327116
Eh, that's fine. I enjoy the humor but I realize it's not for everyone.
>>84327110
hussie is a hack fraud
Can somebody explain the whole Bowman thing to me?
>>84327110
I'm really enjoying re:View. I want more episodes like Escape from New York where one of them likes it and the other doesn't.
/r/Requesting Joey pleading with the Kickstarter backers to kill her
>>84327250
He's a member of the music team who is beautiful and is also a meme
WHERE IS MS. PAINT
I wonder what Hussie's going to do after this. I heard he said he would keep making MSPA for as long as he could, but at this point if he just drops off the internet and disappeears forever, I wouldn't blame him.
>>84327327
I would. GIVE US HIVESWAP YOU CON-MAN!
>>84327327
He seems to be trying to maintain his internet personality through meme selfies, at least.
I can't believe Karkat drowned himself...
>>84325430
>>84325267
>>84321697
>>84321969
i can probably do this at some point
If Hussie had shown what happened on the post retcon meteor trip but everything afterwards stayed the same, is there anything he could have done with Vriska to lessen the blow of her seemingly reverting back to her old self?
remember how vriska valiantly helped rose combat her alcoholism?
>>84326911
When will this cancer get moved to /trash/ with the rest of the shit threads?
These threads pop up so quick! People participating in discussion makes me happy.
I thought the dancestors were interesting and would have liked to learn more about themexcept meenah because she got so fuckin annoying.
Can we save our time and energy in this thread and shut the fuck up about vriska. just agree that the retcon ruined everything?
>>84327988
Some of the ancestors were interesting, others were completely pointless. You could tell by the time we got to Meenahquest 3 that Hussie was scraping the bottom of the barrel for interesting archetypes.
>>84327988
>Kankritula
Shit ship. That asshole keeps on trashing Mituna hard for stealing his waifu.
Why didn't John save literally everyone? It was within his means.
It was weird to see him be okay with killing Condy.
>>84328072
Who was your favorite and why?
I liked kankri and porrim most, i think.
I couldn't find myself caring at all about kurloz or rufio, despite them being some of the most interesting to look at.
>>84328072
meh, don't worry, i still like mitula. i guess i just relate to unrequited love. but only the ones where the guy likes the chick, not the other way around, for some reason.
i guess thats why i like kankri and latula but hate janejake and katnep? no offense to >>84327311
>>84328246
john has the personality of a doormat.
he's like tavros but he complains more, yet more likely to do what he's told
>>84328246
characters in homestuck act as the plot demands
>>84327914
we've tried, but /trash/ just deletes us
>>84328281
I think either Latula or Aranea are my favorite
>>84328356
>deleted from /trash/
Fucking how?
>>84327100
FUCKING ADORABLE
>>84328281
I'm going to go with the meme answer, mituna
I liked most of the dancestors when they were first introduced, but seeing how they amounted to nothing, it's kinda hard to like anyone who wasn't comic relief or amusing in some way
kankri and cronus were pretty good too
>>84328781
Do you think that magic, between conceptual and abstract in hope, could be replaced by miracles
>>84328781
>the poor cuck who got Blood as aspect
>>84327914
>Threads about popular comics and cartoons don't belong on /co/
I love this meme.
>>84327834
Vriska never reverted. Post-retcon Vriska never changed into the fat slob that pre-retcon Vriska did by sitting around doing nothing for eternity.
There was no reason to explain or justify Vriska being old Vriska because she didn't go through anything that would result in a shift of personality. Showing the post-retcon ship and/or meteor also wouldn't have served any real purpose. We saw what happened, it was just those same events but with Vriska and without John and Davesprite.
>>84328781
>freedom
>>84326956
i went in cold and thought it was as good as the hype. didnt even know it was toby since i hadnt been reading homestuck since the trolls were introduced. its only about six hours long though so ive calmed down about it now, dunno how people stay that obsessed with something so small for so long
>>84328246
John is like a puppy. He has little to no internal motivations, or values, or goals.
Exactly 4 through the entire comic get him to act for himself:
-Something happens that affects him
-Someone tells him to do something
-He feels an emotion
-He is bored
That's it.
One-track mind, one-track heart. Only the present moment matters to him: his overall stance towards Vriska will be hate one moment and love the next.
Power and responsibilities are tremendously wasted on him. It would almost be a good thing, since he's not using them for bad purposes, but he'll do literally anything as long as a friend asks and says "trust me".
And if it turns out the friend couldn't be trusted he won't even notice. Or care. As long as it doesn't affect him in one of the 4 ways described above.
He's still the designated main character, because Hussie likes subversion.
>>84329151
Man when you put it like that John sort of seems like a sociopath
>>84329151
>Exactly 4 through the entire comic get him to act for himself:
>-Something happens that affects him
>-Someone tells him to do something
>-He feels an emotion
>-He is bored
>That's it.
Doesn't that describe literally everyone? Seriously, can you think of a person who did something that wasn't motivated by events, conversation, emotions, or boredom?
John refused to get cookies even though WV commanded him to.
Breath = freedom confirmed?
>>84329305
confirmed
>>84329270
Most people (read: characters in literature) have a individualized moral framework that they use to make decisions and are typically motivated by some kind of ambition or ideal.
>>84329151
hes a talking silent protagonist. which seems impossible but somehow it exists and its john. he is link, ness, crono etc. he has no wants or needs or character of his own outside of that of his 'player'. which starts out as us, the audience, and then starts up cycling through a bunch of different characters including wv, vriska and terezi.
im 100% certain this is intended
Michael BoOOOOOOOOOOWMAAAAAAAAan
>>84329270
Every other character acts for a reason, obviously, it all boils down to desires and needs (otherwise no one would be doing anything).
Thing is, John's desires are always absurdly simple and short term: he wants to win the game and keep his friends alive, but there is no middle step between his current situation and his goal.
So when he's acting for himself he ends up hitting things with a hammer and pushing others out of harm's way. He doesn't make plans, and he doesn't think critically: if something is threatening his simple values (e.g. it's a bad thing to let psycho serial killers like Jack roam free; Vriska is a psycho serial killer like Jack; Vriska is roaming free) he will not notice it. If someone brings this thing up he will dismiss it, because this kind of conflict somehow short-cirtcuits his brain.
But in theory, if someone tells him to stop Vriska, or if he is suddenly angry at Vriska because he saw her kill one of his friends, then he'll probably stop her.
He's a weird kid like that.
>>84329480
That's actually a great way to sum it up. I hadn't even thought about silent protagonists, sweet catch.
>>84329506
why is bowman's character arc so bad
basically john has aspergers
>>84329713
Everyone in Homestuck is autistic. Because Hussie is autistic.
>>84329713
Hussie writes what he knows.
>>84329846
>>84329850
2x AUTISM COMBO
>>84329640
the vast majority of early homestuck is attempts at turning videogame tropes into a 'real' story. theres plenty of obvious shit but less obvious ones include how doomed timelines represent times in a game you die and reload, for example. its not a surprise that andrew would try and explore how the silent protagonist trope character would act if he wasnt silent.
>>84329896
:33 < I hate Mondays!
>>84329681
the locksmith is one of the best characters in fiction, prove me wrong
>this whole line of thinking
silent protagonists can still have motivations you fucks
>>84329954
please pinpoint the motivations of the characters ness, link and mario for me.
>>84329995
Mario wants some cake and to tour the castle, gets bamboozled by browser and tries to save peach
Link wanted a fairy friend
>>84329995
Ness wanted fuckers to stop knocking at his front door late at night.
>>84330024
if link wanted a fairy friend why does he immediately skip past everything she says? if mario wants to save peach why does he spend 4 hours trying to jump through a wall in the right way so he can fall under the world? isnt peach gonna die if he wastes all that time?
>>84329928
>I
CARD
>>84330072
>if mario wants to save peach why does he spend 4 hours trying to jump through a wall in the right way so he can fall under the world?
because he's autistic, just like john egbert
the way silent protagonists work is that you're supposed to figure out their thoughts from the reactions of other people
this happens quite a lot in Earthbound because NPCs will talk about Ness's facial expression or restate a question that he would've asked
>>84330102
:^33 < *AC DOES WANT SHE WANTS*
;^33 < *AC SHOVES HER CARD IN YOUR ASS*
>>84328781
Put "Progress" between Motion and Freedom for Breath.
Think of John blowing away the glitches. He removed the barrier cast on reality so it could continue.
Also, "Paradoxes" should go somewhere for Time. Maybe between Constraints and Annihilation
silent protagonists are shit
ellipsis as character voice is like tragic past as backstory
>>84328432
It's like how Roxy steals Void
>>84330149
Man who gives a shit. I don't need Mario to have elaborate conversations.
I think I've finally found a good camera angle to get a base render from to paint over for that solo dyson land picture I've been working on.
Might actually get to the painting stage soon...
>>84330260
sort of looks like the art look for bec9's game
I hope Hillary gets elected so she can help delete Homestuck.
Sup guys? Anyone remembers Hiveswap?
>>84330364
Hillary's favorite character is probably Vriska
>>84330377
>There are people that still have faith in Hiveswap
If Hussie were captain of the Titanic, these fans would just dismiss that "small little leak".
>>84330402
>hillary liking anything controversial
her favorite character is roxy
>>84330423
Captain Hussie would probably purposefully crash into the Iceberg, and then have a ship about toxic Hydrodynamics while the ship sinks.
>>84330364
Fuck you, Donn Drumpf WILL make Homestuck great again!
>>84329954
>>84330024
We're not saying they don't have motivations
It's just that they have simple motivations and little to no notion of medium/long term planning
aradia...nooo...get away from the weenie...
>>84330472
but that describes almost all of the homestuck cast, not just john
>>84330513
ARADIA YOU CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER
>>84330456
>You don't get it, the ship sinking was a good end to the voyage. You just didn't like it because it didn't fit your expectations.
>>84330192
roxy steals void seems like a contradiction since hussie tried to make a strict system but "stealing the essence of void" seems more like interpretation than any meaningful system
>>84330566
>hussie tried to make a strict system
you gotta be kiddin
>>84330456
>As the water begins entering your lungs, you start to gasp for air, only drawing in more water
>As the agony increases, a single phrase uttered by a familiar voice rings through your mind
>Thanks for riding
>>84330566
"stealing the void" is a jarringly explicit consequence of a vague system based on interpretation
>>84330588
he pushed it as some logical game system
you know, with classes and aspects, the whole passive / active bullshit, the way classes and aspects are tied heavily to characters' personalities and what they do in the plot
it seems very mechanical, but then you have shit like roxy making stuff real by stealing the nothing out of it
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006975
is it bad that i got pretty mad re-reading dirk shitting on caliborns first attempt at art. the kids fuckin trying.
>>84330634
Why is there a game power that basically makes alchemization redundant?
>>84330665
yes
caliborn is the only good character but even i wouldn't defend that
>>84330687
le sigh
>tfw you spent all those months arguing classpect thinking hussie knew what he was doing
it's a shame because some of the shit was actually well done, like how the classes / aspects tied into personality aspects / quirks
>>84330456
Funnily enough the Titanic not directly crashing into the iceberg was what sunk it. It faced a lateral slash across it's side above it's many bulkhead, which ultimately flooded the lower levels.
>>84330754
Are you saying that if it crashed directly, it might've not sunk?
>>84330565
kek
>>84330791
Yes that's how it was designed.
>>84330439
she relates the most to vriska, but claims roxy is her favorite because she's a strong girl and loved already
>>84330810
Neat.
>>84330687
Because not all sessions have that power and by the time you're god tier you don't really need alchemization?
Also, it simplifies it. It's easier to alchemize something than it is to have a specific idea of what you want to make and account for every single part of it
>>84330754
Wasn't the Titanic also made out of shitty Irish steel that wasn't tempered properly?
You could probably draw a parallel with that too.
>>84330880
Yeah a lot of people blamed cheap rivets made in ireland, but the truth is that 7 things went wrong in the crash. The guy who used to be the lookout was replaced and took the only pair of binoculars with him, most people who were supposed to be watching were partying, they didn't just ram the fucking iceberg, and there weren't enough lifeboats to begin with.
So a lot of stuff was set to fail. Like the ending of Homestuck!
Andrew Hussie's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KolfEhV-KiA
>>84330364
Yes, vote for )(illary. All according to plan...
>>84330565
>What's wrong?
>Is the water too deep for you?
>>84331099
>We're deconstructing the notion of buoyancy
>>84330565
he hypes this unsinkable ship up for the entire goddamn voyage and then it gets destroyed by a single fucking iceberg
D A V E K A T
>>84331246
>Well, Hussie's previous boat made a complete voyage, so there's no way this one can sink!
>>84328781
Changed hope, time and breath
>>84331246
>>84331281
>The musicians still play as the ship sinks
>>84331382
Fuck forgot the pic because im retarded
>>84331392
>Our lungs might be rapidly filling up with ice water, but those musicians were pretty good!
>>84331392
Deepest lore
>>84331427
>Breath is still freedom
>>84331427
>breath
>freedom
Anon, I...
>>84331392
DEEPEST FUCKING LORE
>>84331427
breath's abstract really has to not be freedom. all the breath characters we meet are defined by their lack of freedom, by being pushed around and directed by other characters. its more like theyre being blown around in the wind like a leaf. its gotta change
>>84331464
>>84331481
Ok if its not freedom then what is it?
>>84331392
>>84331437
Why is that Musician hopping aboard the SS Undertale?! There's no way something that low budget can float!
>>84331538
something to do with being blown around/at the mercy of the wind. theres gotta be some sort of term for that
>>84331538
Getting told what to do by women.
>>84331571
Hussie was a Breath player all along
>>84329061
Well it has at least 2 different playthroughs, 3 if you play it normally the first time
>>84331538
Independence
>>84326911
I liked Undertale the week or so that I played it but I can't understand how people still talk about it like it's the best game ever.
Yes, it's a good game with a fuckload of twists and clever writing, but its replay value kind of tanks after the third playthrough.
>>84328781
you must have some pretty strong autism to write all that
>>84331621
no fucking way
>>84331538
ignore them, it's freedom.
part of the challenge is that your titles, in most cases excepting vriska because she's a fucking minmaxing whore, are intended to challenge you in some way. you basically have to earn your freedom.
that's all i'm contributing to this discussion though so
>>84331628
It's odd because unlike all of the other typically "autistic" fanbases like Homestuck, FNAF, MLP, and whatever, Undertale isn't a property that either allows for easy OCs or has constant updates. It's just a well made game with furry characters. Maybe it's just the perfect storm of things, who knows.
also freedom doesn't mean you don't listen to anyone
>>84331762
none of the breath characters ever earn their freedom. even the summoner, the rogue of breath, could be argued to be 'stealing freedom for others' and yet he fails horribly.
>>84331628
Played it once, did the passive route finished it.
Fantastic game, fantastic writing. Is it the best game ever? No, not at all. It's not something I'd re-play either, not like Earthbound or even Fire Emblem.
>>84331628
These people dont play too much videogames at all, its all about checking the memes and joining a crowd. Just like "skip to act 5" homestuck.
>>84332511
is the "love and support of his readers" panel supposed to be sarcastic
>>84331726
I don't think the problem sleuth gang would be that great at raising a baby.
>>84332830
they'd make it through somehow
haven't you seen Three Men and a Baby
>>84332830
Sonhearst turned out fine, they've got that cat in the bag.
>>84332866
Sonhearst fuckin' died.
>>84332878
Yeah thanks to RNG bullshit, not Ace Dick's failures
>>84332830
You're a dirty fucking liar full of sin if you wouldn't read an adventure of those three trying to raise Roxy
>>84332878
He got better.
>>84332878
Everyone in Problem Sleuth died at least once, it's fine
>>84332993
Is tiny Maplehoof just a bad MLP joke? I actually wondered why she was randomly small for years.
>>84332993
Shit, I didn't know I needed this.
>>84331843
>none of the breath characters ever earn their freedom
EXCUSE YOU
>>84333027
>I actually wondered why she was randomly small for years
Because Dirk can't fit a horse in his home, fucking duh
Who's your favorite character?
Favorite guardian?
For me it's either Dave or Karkat, and then Dad or Bro.
>>84333052
>flies off
>builds an army for vriska and meenah
>brings it to them
>does what they tell him
i mean im proud of the lil guy but hes not exactly free
>>84333074
>alchemizer can resize things
>Jade is a goddamn Witch of Space
>there was no PS style jokes around constant size change to do some bullshit
No matter what happens I will never excuse Hussie's constant shitting on Tavros.
Poor guy.
>>84333157
It stopped being funny after Hivebent. Then he died and continued to not be funny.
Turns out Hussie will grind jokes into a fine mist-like powder if you let him drag them on long enough
>>84333102
Anon, he chose to be in servitude to them, isn't that a great subversion of expectations?
>>84333157
at least he was one of the few characters to finish his character arc
>>84333186
>ROSE: I believe one of the most valuable lessons that comes with growing up is gaining the wisdom that gently informs you when it's time to retire a meme.
>Hussie then proceeds to shit on Tavros and adds Jake in there to shit on him too
I sure do love the Huss
>>84333189
Is daveguin going to cuck normal dave
>>84333189
What the fuck is going on though? Why are the kids working in coffee/ice cream shops? Why is there a penguin version of Dave who's a separate entity from Dave?
>>84333321
It's an aquarium, which explains the first part.
The second part... I dunno
Maybe Dave time travels, gets turned into a penguin, and then at some point changes back
Or maybe Dave is nervous because he sees himself as a penguin, and knows in the future he will be cursed as a penguin eternally
I actually enjoyed the ending and post-recton parts. Although I would have enjoyed it better if Vriska hadn't come back, but that's because it kinda broke my heart when she yelled at ghost Vriska.
>>84333102
>mfw the retcon even ruined (Tavros)'s arc by making him come back, give Vriska the army and play footstool for Meenah
is there anything Fauntleroy won't ruin?
also i'm concerned, Tavros just humiliated Vriska and then she got to sorta-kill LE and is probably high on her self-importance fix right now
isn't Tavros in risk to be mind controlled and abused again
>>84333186
someone post the "know when to retire a meme" quote
>>84333321
Davesprite analogue?
>>84333291
It's not cucking if it's you
>>84333378
Jade likes to fuck with Dave
>>84333364
At least (Tavros) got closure of sorts, you can't say the same for 75% of the cast.
>>84333321
Sometimes ask blogs indulge in weird crossover asks, that's all.
>>84333283
>Retire a meme
>Literally all of Vriska's arc
>>84332603
Genuine trust and unconditional love are both supports and burdens, anon.You would know this already if anybody trusted or loved you.
Just when I thought that I'd finally be free of Homestuck, one of the GDQ runners shows up in a Time shirt. Goddamnit.
>>84333462
>Hussie created all of this dialogue full well knowing that he was going to retcon it from existence
>>84333494
I was mostly remarking on how nothing we say here could be mistaken for love or support
>>84333497
what game?
Classtalk idea: what would you consider, out of all the classes excepting the obvious of Lord and Muse, to be exceptionally rare or possibly glitched/broken? In that, Skaia almost never or even goes out of its way to avoid assigning it as a class/aspect combo, especially if it can go Godtier.
I guess one example idea would be Jade. She seemed hideously OP even without Green Sun powers. I can't imagine Witches of Space being especially common across sessions.
>>84333796
Rogue of void
>>84333796
Prince of void
Mage of light
>>84333796
Prince of Bard of Space
>>84333829
We dont even know what mages do
You wouldn't pirate an Aradia.
Would you?
>>84333633
Hussie never listens to us though. You should know this already if you pay attention to things outside of your personal reach.
He explicitly ignores 4chan, and I believe (but I'm not certain) ipgd is his only gateway to this septic tank.
>>84333796
Rogue of Void
Prince of Time/Space
Thief of Light
>>84333951
what do you think a seer of heart would be able to do?
>>84333931
Has ipgd even come here since hs ended
>>84333931
iirc, back when mspachan was a thing he mentioned a contact that basically grabbed images on his behalf, so he's had that weird insular attitude for a long time
>>84333951
which are the most useless ones?
>>84333796
Page of Hope. It's like the "linear fighters, quadratic wizards" problem. Sure it takes a long time to level up a Page, but when you do, those Hope powers will buff your entire party into steamrollering over anything left in the game. A party that carries their Page of Hope through the story quests to level cap will just faceroll their way through end-game raids.
>>84334014
Page.
>>84334014
knight of blood
>>84333988
Nope. Immediately after the ending played, she said goodbye and ran for her life.
>>84333851
Im going with the idea that the mage is a knowing class so a mage of light is someone that has knowledge of luck and knowledge, having the potential to be omniscient
>>84333655
I think it was Gargoyles 2 or something like that.
>>84334035
I loved the idea of Pages being the Onion Knights of Sburb, but Hussie did a garbage job making you feel or think that.
>>84334012
> that healthy insulation for a long time
fixed that for you
and before you accuse me of being a hypocrite for being here in-person: I know I am not well.
>>84334056
I figured they were just the other half of the coin with Seers, where they have more active powers of prophecy and insight.
Would you rather:
>listen to Vriska's sex moans for 3 hours
or
>hang out with John and Roxy for the same amount of time
>>84334072
>implying
there wasn't a thing wrong with mspachan, the only people who think so are people afraid of the 4chan boogeyman
>>84334088
mspachan and 413chan were just mini boards with a mix of people from here and tumblr and livejournal and all over
it was tiny as hell and not much went on
>>84334082
Would I be the cause of these sex moans? Would I just be in a chair with headphones and a 3 hour long mp3 of moaning Vriska? Would I be hiding in a closet as Vriska banged someone?
>>84334014
There is no such thing as a useless classpect, however, there are very niche ones. For example, a Rogue of Doom can... Take death from enemies to give to allies?
Like, I'm sure there's some broken way you can abuse it, probably by making doomed objects not doomed and fucking with the alpha timeline, but still, the most apparent first use is actively detrimental to your team. Still,there's probably SOME way to abuse the shit out of it, like there's a way to abuse each class.
>>84333976
you can see into people's souls and hearts. You're very good at diagnosing emotional issues, so you'd be an effective therapist or therapist assistant.Arctis is a Seer of Heart
>>84333796
I could see a full potential Page of Time being ridiculously dangerous.
>>84334113
well i mean, you're not wrong
>>84334127
I'd say whichever, but you know what, hard mode:
>tied up, blindfolded, in a chair listening to Vriska's sex moans while one random character rubs on your dick
or
>hang with John and Roxy as he tries to get her into one of his nerd hobbies and she tries to get him into drinking
>>84333796
sylph of life
>>84334082
hang out with best kids
>>84334138
Can the rogue of doom do it the other way around?
Like, steal death from allies and give it to enemies?
>>84334210
>Healer with the healing aspect
>Godtier
>Probably shits out Cure5 and Life4 just breathing at you
>Session is literally impossible to lose
maybe that happens when like, by chance of fate little kids have to play or something and Sburb takes mercy
>>84334239
I can see that, steal the moment of doom from a friend and give it to a foe so it ends up being some bizarre split-second coincidence where the killing blow turns into a freak accident instead
>>84334185
How so?
>>84334209
>potentially having Gamzee or WV rub your dick
Nah, I'd hang out with John and Roxy.
>>84334284
They'd have infinite-scaling power over Time. I could see that seriously fucking things up once they're maxed out Godtier.
Then again they never said what Pages can even do really, so who knows.
>>84334138
Rogue steals things to buff the party, not just to give things to the party. The diff between Thief and Rogue is the Thief's transactions always involve the Thief, whereas the Rogue's transactions never involve the Rogue directly. So a Rogue could steal an ally's death and gift it to someone else -- say, swapping the location of two people just before a deadly missile lands, or rewriting the address on a letterbomb so it gets sent to Derse instead of a player's mailbox.
> Seer of Heart
and she uses this power merely to get better at imitating others. sometimes the person holding us back the most is ourselves.
>>84334209
Would Roxy be the kind of person to casually drink after kicking her bad habit away?
>>84334239
I suppose it'd be possible, as a powerful one-time or rare maneuver, considering death is supposed to be a thing that happens rather infrequently. I imagine if a Rogue of Doom starts convincing their friends to get suicidal to abuse their power, Skaia will almost definitely punish their hubris.
>>84334315
I posit that Pages are the passive Knights, so while knights exploit their aspect as a weapon, Pages allow others to exploit their aspect (Jake making Brain Ghost Dirk real by believing very hard that he's real, and spontaneously making Angels, a pure manifestation of Hope, appear by yelling very loudly, and Tavros uses breath to give direction to the ghost armies and shit (not that it amounts to much)). So basically imagine Dave's knight of time shenanigans applied to an entire party.
>>84334351
Fair enough.
>>84333542
Least it means Jade never tried to kill WV in front of Dave
>>84334389
No. Former alcoholics do not drink casually. They don't drink period, because then they will start right back down into alcoholism.
>>84334287
>not wanting to fuck the mayor
>>84331427
Changed mind and space
Do you think that culture would fit between tradition and temporal passage?
>>84334406
I wish that had some consequence. It would have been great if we found out Dave really resented her for it or went out of her way to screw her back, or if we found out Jade willingly did it outside of the control just to get at Dave.
This shitheap was seriously missing any sort of genuine conflict or hard feelings between the kids.
>>84334406
who cares about wv
oh no! a character reduced to a fucking can stacking joke dies to give an actual main protagonist reason to give a shit about the villain
a bluh bluh bluh
>>84334435
I would say that Identity is more of a Heart thing, and that Mind's literal interpretation would be thought or something like that, considering Dirk's identity issues with his splinters. But that's just me, and we all know I'm about as correct as a meteorologist.
>>84334435
arguably? but i'm not sure why tradition is part of time in the first place. when is that connection made in the comic?
>>84334461
I think whatever resentment he harbored went out the window when she died
>>84334461
>went out of his way to screw her back
By doing what? Everyone she cares about is out of her life.
>>84334419
>>84334470
The mayor is the best character in Homestuck, fuck you.
>>84334490
>>84334548
I was talking theoretically, in like, a comic where Hussie could actually write and have characters have conflict and real emotions
3 Years ending in the kids realizing they're alienated from each other and moved past one another, while bonding with other people would have been a heavy but relatable message
>>84334435
decay+fate = entropy
>>84334597
I was gonna say, get rid of annihilation and replace it with entropy
If you want to be literal, time doesn't even exist, it's just the illusion produced from entropy and motion happening
>>84334461
>dave doesnt really hold grudges or go out of his way to hurt people. he just feels bad and retreats into his shell. thats like dave 101
>>84334587
>a character that does nothing
>accomplishes nothing
>has not stake or investment on how things play out
>best
Read a book and neck yourself faggot
>>84334632
delete meme arrow
>>84334641
Considering that everybody else gets worse, his staying exactly where he's at is a good thing
>>84334632
and wouldn't it be an interesting development, for once, to see Dave so challenged and angry that he snaps and does hold a grudge and get nasty about something
ok we know aradia and arabia are cute
but what about aramia?
>>84334592
To be honest Hussie breaking up the one group of relationships that feels good and sincere for the sake of a shitty point is even worse than what we got.
>>84334641
How could you ever be so wrong?
>>84334691
I don't think he did it to make a point, he did it because he doesn't know how to write
A lot of problems in the comic you can trace back to "Hussie has a huge ego and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing"
>>84334672
>Dave just yells and screams at Jade for a minute
She'd be absolutely shattered
>>84334489
tradition is in time because it's the repetition of something
>>84334672
>wouldnt it be an interesting development if a character suddenly did something totally out of character
n....no?
>>84334746
>Snaps her out of grimbark, puts her in sadbark mode for the rest of the comic
>>84334746
it'd have been super refreshing
all irony suddenly dropped hard so Dave can just belt out years and years of resentment and outrage at everything with Jade doing the same thing
Let Rose and John and Davesprite be there to so it can get even more ugly
You could have ended it with a genuine feelings jam where they all realize how they actually feel about one another and either gain a stronger bond for it, or all realize they're just not friends anymore and agree to move on
>>84334795
characters are not static and unmoving programs anon, real people who are chill and reserved 99% of the time can still have that 1% time where the stress forces the voice out
but Hussie can't write, so
Anyone remembers that fic Roxy is Alpha Dave's sister and she goes live with him and they fuck later?
We need more Roxy/Alpha Dave
>>84334810
>implying Dave wouldn't immediately regret it and try and comfort her
>sexually
>>84333796
I always figured Prince of Doom would end up being OP.
From a sort of meta standpoint at least, having someone on your side who destroys "doom" or even destroys through "doom" sounds kind of ridiculous, if a tad direct.
>yfw you realize the moment the comic was doomed the second Slick jumped into the 'highly unfavorable timeline' at the end of the Intermission
>>84334870
She's his mom though, why would you dilute the magnitude of the incest for a fic?
>>84334435
Ok changed heart, mind and doom
