Amber is a crazy bitch
In other news, I've been banned from the DOA wiki:
http://walkypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:3598
Previous Thread:
>>83367709
Amber falls on both of them, killing them instantly.
>>83441327
Wow people were talking about me in that thread.
>>83442417
ARE YOU BECKY?!
>>83442579
n-no I'm not beckyLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIANLESBIAN
>>83442601
We're all Becky Anon
Say it with me
I am Becky, Lesbian and Proud.
I AM BECKY, LESBIAN AND PROUD
I
AM
BECKY
LESBIAN
AND
PROUDWhen everyone is Becky, no one is
>>83442878
Fuck you, Becky, I love God and Mary!
>>83443790
>>83443569
Why not both? The bible's pretty much fine with lesbians.
Fuck off you cocksuckers
Nobody wants to read this shit
It irritates me that Willis can earn so much money and attention, while still not being able to effectively write a villain character. He should be seeing the treatment of Mary as a learning experience, and hell, even the reaction to Toedad as a learning experience. Maybe a chance to see, 'hey, maybe all my villains don't need to be one-dimensional psychopaths', or, 'hey, maybe my villain is more sympathetic than my designated hero'.
But, hey, he's happy keeping his comic the illustrated form of Buzzfeed, so, whatever earns him cash.
>>83443340
Wanted to give Carl a nice bulge, but couldn't get it to look right
>>83443862
Nobody wants to see a villain whose politics they disagree with who isn't a baby-devouring psychopath. If you make them nuanced then they might come off as sympathetic, and then people might switch to the wrong side.
>>83443876
Way too feminine. Now she just looks like a flat tomboy.
One idea that was floated in the last thread that I thought was really interesting was the idea of doing a series of videos on DoA chronologically. Since the timeline is super fucked up, I think a half-decent narrator listing off every stupid thing that happens each day would be pretty amusing.
You could also keep running tallies like for "racism" or "times mary gets shat on" and stuff.
I think it'd be a good way of mocking the absurdity of it without being labelled as just hateful or mean-spirited, and youtube's viewers are more fluid than stratified tumblr and twitter cliques. As long as you keep it light-hearted and friendly at first, of course.
>>83443888
>mfw I decide the politics of my villains by closing my eyes and picking from a list of political ideologies on a .txt file
That way, no one can be offended, and I get a varied, colorful series of villains.
>>83442878
Who lives in her own world which no one can see
BIG DYKE BECKY
Homeless and shouty, self-absorbed is she
BIG DYKE BECKY
If you are an autist who thinks she's your match
BIG DYKE BECKY
She'll run off and dump you chasing her best friend's snatch
BIG DYKE BECKY
BIG DYKE BECKY
BIG DYKE BECKY
BIG DYKE BECKYYYYYYYYY
>>83443909
>>83443909
Fixed?
>>83443888
It kills Willis that people still see Mary as sympathetic. He tries to shrug it off by saying it proves what bigots everyone is because they didn't want to stone Mary as soon as she misgendered Carla.
>>83444078
In a pretty lazy way, but I suppose so. You really need to work on the shape of her face, though. Look at the faces of the other male characters, like Walky, and try to match them a bit better.
Remember, this is why people say Carla isn't drawn well. She doesn't look like someone who's transitioned, even with the help of millionaire parents - she looks like she was born female.
>>83443876
If this was /qcg/ they would've given her a giant cartoon dick.
>>83443876
>>83444078
Try changing his clothes, make him a nice Christian man in a sweater, pants and a little cross necklace.
>>83444150
With some of his male characters, Willis uses a more square jaw, and generally a longer face. Joe (Square Jaw), Danny and Jason (An Oval, longer than the female faces). However, with some characters he uses the more flattened round face that his females generally have, most notably Walky himself, though I guess that is supposed to be because he is Sal's Twin (even though, in real life male/female twins stop looking exactly like each other after puberty, generally, it's obvious they are still related though)
So, Carl can be a femme-boy. I'm okay with that.
>>83444114
I didn't see Mary as sympathetic since she was kind of a passive aggressive bitch, but Carla sure as hell isn't sympathetic either she's a super cunt.
>>83444061
>queefwhistle.mp3
>>83444114
In attempting to make villainous characters with a clear agenda of hatred, Willis accidentally makes a morally gray area of conflict.
Somebody in a previous thread compared it to Chuck Asay making arguments where the concept was that "the sheer thought of X alone" was enough to support one side or another.
>>83444256
I get you don't want to use her female name, but it's unlikely that her birth name was Carl. People don't often go with a female version of their birth name when they transition.
Every time I go to /co/ I see these threads around and the strips themselves always seem to be really meanspirited and full of assholes. What the hell is this Willis' guy's problem?
>>83443340
Is this one of those trick answer things where Carla is already a real boy because you can't change chromosomes?
>>83444404
He's a really shitty webcomic artist who thinks he's God's gift to social justice when in actuality he's gleefully making his side look batshit.
>>83444404
He has psychological issues stemming from his childhood that become blatant upon reading his comics. Recurring themes include hypocrisy within religious people, parental abuse towards their children, and good old-fashioned ignoring an alternative point of view in favor of strawmanning an argument.
>>83444414
>>83443808
I thought the cross on her chest was a loss at first. I need a break
>>83444229
MSPaint can only do so much, get a real drawfag in here who can ape Willis' style
>>83444204
I guess just the head sticking out in the last one wasn't obvious enough?
>>83444114
He's actually flown off the handle about it in the comments multiple times, talking about how unambiguously evil people like Mary are and how treating Carla's actions as even slightly disproportionate (or criticizing them in any way) is tantamount to going out and punching a transwoman in the face.
It's so bizarre. I'm liberal as shit, I get told to go back to hugboxes by newfags who don't even know there used to be an /l/ board, I had a transwoman bridesmaid at my wedding. But even I think Willis is out of his fucking mind. At a certain point of torment people just snap, and while it's still bad and should be framed as bad, you can't simply expect instant hatred for one character who said something mean and one hundred percent forgiveness for another who directly tormented the first character for no reason for hours.
People like Willis are why it's so hard to talk about racism, homophobia, any kind of -ism, because they want to pretend every single racist or homophobe or -ist is an irredeemable monster as opposed to a human being who fucked something up. He's why anyone who does squinty "Asian" eyes in a fun photo explodes when you suggest that's kinda racist, he's why your grandfather thinks he can't be uncomfortable with gay people without two burly bikers storming into his apartment and fucking on the crudenza.
>>83445229
It takes a special kind of stupid to so thoroughly piss off both liberals and conservatives
>>83443956
Each video would have to be about each in-comic day, and talk about all of the subplots in order (so you don't go from Joyce and Sara to Walky and Dorothy to Danny and Amber to Sal to Walky and Dorothy to Joyce and Sara back to Danny and Amber. I'm sure you get my point).
>>83444588
Also one that I hadn't noticed until recently but which bodes really well for his future as a husband and father: using pregnancy as a way to salvage relationship problems.
>>83443956
The "Day 1" video would be an hour long.
>>83445229
i feel ya, but remember willis is a deeply emotionally unstable man. all his actions are basically to rationalize that he is not a mess.
>>83445229
>they want to pretend every single racist or homophobe or -ist is an irredeemable monster
It's easier to pretend you're a crusader for an ultimate good if you paint your enemies as an ultimate evil.
>>83446042
Ah yes. Because suddenly having responsiblity for a tiny helpless poop factory that won't stop crying fixes everything
>>83445820
Because, as much as Willis would like to disagree, he doesn't give a fuck about gay people.
I really just think he hates conservatives so much, he puts gay people in his comics to spite them. Looking at every queer character he's done, he never really gives them any serious development or personality, even by his scant standards of development and personality.
I find it ironic that the two biggest arcs about queer people, both revolve more around an evul right-wing stereotype that harasses the poor faggot, than said queer.
Gay people in Willis' comics have two purposes:
1. To make Willis look good
2. To make Willis enemies look bad, in the form of sinister, angry, Limbaugh-listening homophobes that target the gay people, who are good people because they're not republican.
It's really incredible that Willis has managed to create an incredible psychoanalysis of himself, when he just wanted to make a dumb, politically motivated college comic. DoA become 100x better when you see it as the Author's rage against his conservative parents, and him trying to fight for left-wing causes the only way he knows how, through being an annoying fucking crusader.
>>83446316
I feel bad that he was so fucked up as a kid that he never masturbated til college. However that doesn't excuse him from criticism, or the fact that his comic is doing more harm than good. Just look at these threads, it's just playing up the idea that transwomen are insane people who want to play the victim card to get whatever they want. That isn't helpful for anyone.
>>83446459
well, nobody can say damaged goods applies only to women.
>>83446459
I just think dude needs to see a therapist.which to be fair I say about everyone but c'mon
>>83446422
>>83446422
His Ethan/Danny arc's probably the only healthy queer writing I've ever seen him do, and it's probably only because it's always been a peripheral thing. I wouldn't be surprised if their homophobic parents show up the moment they decide to date.
>>83441308
For someone who hates frank miller so much it sure does seem like he wants to be him.
And it sure does seem like he's bad at it.
This is the comic with the ridiculous anti-religious strawmans, right? Like with the Dad what with the shotgun?
>>83446566WHORESWHORESWHORES
>>83446580
Yeah, Willis dun fucked up, though, and made his newest religious crusader genuinely sympathetic by accident.
>>83446501
Was that directed at me?
Also, was that from Roomies, or DoA? Are we supposed to agree with her, or not agree with her? Willis confuses me.
>>83446580
I have never seen a character in this comic who wasn't a strawman character.
>>83446580
Yeah, you're in the right place. Welcome to hell, have a handbasket.
>>83446656
>Was that directed at me?
No, that pic was relating to what you said about Willis, and it was from DoA.
>>83446656
So this is one of those "Let's read to watch it burn and see how shitty it can get lolcows" that /co/ seems to like right?
>>83446501
what was the context for this? How was Mary wrong?
>>83446697
Exactly.
>>83446735
I don't know the context, and after being banned from walkypedia, I'm not sure i really care to find out.
>>83446491
Oh no he definitely needs to see a therapist, the guy is all sorts of repressed and self hating.
>>83446766
He doesn't believe in it. He distrusts doctors too.
>>83446751
>>83446735
The context was Mary was giving the DA shit for supporting Carla for being trans.
>>83446687
Haha, my bad. I felt like I was getting to that point when I posted that.
>>83446697
Yeah, pretty much. Sometimes people produce OC of the antagonists, like writing Toedad (the crazy guy with a shotgun) as a PTSD-scarred veteran in the middle of a nervous breakdown, and there's been a ton of art and OC of Mary, because she's cute and way more sympathetic, and was only an 'antagonist' because she responded to someone who happened to be trans being a huge cunt to her.
I don't keep up with it much, but sometimes it's fun to lurk in these threads.
>>83446656
>>83446735
>>83446751
The context is Mary just saw Ruth physically struggling to be nice to people. This comment came after Ruth talked to that character who is just Willis with blue hair. Apparently she's a lesbian too (which brings the count up to what, 8?)
Mary isn't wrong, but we're supposed to think she is because she says "the queers".
>>83446810
i'm so conflicted on this because looking at history i totally understand a distrust of doctors and establishment but on the other hand you won't get any better alone.
>>83446810
I remember Roz tried to refer Joyce to a therapist earlier after the whole rape thing. If that's some shitty lead in to an anti-therapy story I will probably actually be mad at this comic.
>>83446810
So it's one of those cases, my dad's like that even though mental illness runs in our family. Still he just thinks it's freud nonsense.
>>83446735
She didn't realize Ruth was in an abusive relationship with the woman she sexually assaulted, she thought she was just constantly intoxicated. Which is kind of funny, given that she's perceptive enough to tell Carla is trans without ever being told that.
>>83446501
I couldn't tell if Mary misunderstood Billy and Ruth's relationship, like she thought they just got drunk all day together, or Willis was unconsciously skewering himself in the most brutal fashion for his own hypocrisy.
>>83446829
>Because she says "the queers"
Has willis ever even interacted with gay people? I'm a bisexual dude with a lot of gay friends and everyone calls each other much worse shit then "queer". And no one bats a fucking eye.
Is Willis a bigger faggot then actual dick suckers ?
>>83446936
You can't- that's THEIR WORD! It's THEIRS!
Well, it looks like Sal's probably going to be mildly inconvenienced, before having a plot contrivance make Amber look even crazier.
To make up for this big load of nothing, here's something from last thread made by an awesome Anon.
Kuruma Hero Shinjin:
Animated:
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin Prologue: Six episode OVA used to determine if the show was marketable
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin: 78 episode tv series and arguably the most popular part of the franchise
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin: The Movie: Retelling of the first season
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin: Ignition: Four episode OVA based on unused concepts that forms an alternate universe
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin: 52 episode tv series that is a direct continuation of the first series but is usually considered a distinct entry by the fandom due to the three year break in production between the shows
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin Eternal: Movie retelling the second series
Print adaptations:
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin: manga series that covers the first series though its plot diverges rougly around episode 55
>Kuruma Hero Daisuke: manga series following the story of a minor character from the first OVA
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin: The Long Road Home: four book light novel series that is basically a shoujo version of the story. Shares little in common other than the characters and basic plot setup
Sequels:
>Kuruma Hero Shinjin the Second: Regear: 26 episode tv series that is the infamous sequel to the franchise, widely panned for arbitrary personality changes, replacement of established characters with new ones, cheap animation, and poor CGI
>Mechanic Wendy: manga series focused on the titular character that serves as an interquel and sequel to the second series
Adaptations:
>Ultracar: 65 episode redub for American television
>Ultra Car: low-budget live action pilot, never aired. Only the theme sequence and toy concepts have been made public.
>>83447424
Pretty good
>>83444590
Someone should do a daisy Duke cut off shorts.
Kind of want to see some slutty Mary edits but part of me feels like that's a sin.
>>83447424
I always wanted Kuruma Hero Shinjin: Ignition to be expanded upon. The alternate universe could have easily carried its own series.
>>83446735
The context was people were telling Willis this, and so he had to put their comment in the mouth of his villain so he didn't have to refute it.
There was also the time Willis and his buddies went all crusader on the TFWiki over comments about female transformers and misogyny which is hysterical when anyone brings up the misogynistic way Mary is treated.
>>83441308
Credit where's it's due, I like how the speech bubble hid what'sherface in the first panel.
>>83448137
It's OK to gaslight a woman if she's a bigot, though. They're fair game for anything.
>>83448137
i keep staring at this waiting for it to make sense.
>>83447599
>Kind of want to see some slutty Mary edits but part of me feels like that's a sin.
nah man.
She needs some sexy representation.
There's literally zero pics of her on rule34.
>>83447599
Mary is not for sexual!!!
>>83448460
i beg to differ
>>83448503
Noooo! Not my perfect puritan waifu
>>83448503
Oh that's Mary first time I thought it was a not colored in Sal because the song.
Anyways I'm throw something else out. I think we should make some submissive Joyce edits. Ballgame, handcuffs, ect. I think we are all past Joyce is not for sexual phase. Joyce is supposed to be coming out and finding herself in college, but it feels like she is in Stockholm lesbian relationship with the universe.
>>83447617
I don't know, the OVA writers didn't really seem to be willing to expand their story much so it was running pretty thin on plot by the last episode. Some of the later plot in the manga lines up with Ignition, the writer of the manga worked on Ignition, so you could probably build on that with a little of the stuff that later went unused from Prologue.
The Long Road Home is a much more developed AU and if you haven't I suggest giving it a read. Be warned though, it is a character drama with very few action sequences.
>>83447424
I want full Toedad out of the Sal-Amber War.
>>83448503
They're opposites in a different way.
>>83448667
If you really wanted to make DW shit himself in apoplectic rage, you could depict her with the guy who drugged her.
>>83448250
To be fair, that's not all of it. You can read the whole thing here, but that's the best part.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Ruined_FOREVER
This basic gist was the page was a joke commenting on all the thing TFfans say will ruin Transformers. Willis plunked a comment about women in there and some people questioned whether it was a good idea since it was bound to bring heated discussion and Willis and some others went all indignant and sucked the fun out of everything.
>>83448838
That'd be absolutely perfect. Can we please get a drawfag onto this?
>>83449167
>Joyce approaches the guy who drugged her, glaring down at him
You know...
>She then grabs him, pulling him into a tight hug and looking into his eyes
You could have just asked. <3lame-ass writing but you get the idea
>>83449434
>Guy who drugged Joyce (seriously, what's his name?) walks up to her in the courtyard
"Hey, Joyce! Look, I'm sorry about what happened, at that party. Just, you're so cute, and I didn't know how to tell you. I thought maybe if you ended not feeling well, and I helped you back to your dorm, you would have thought I was a nice guy, and would have been interested in dating me...D-do you wanna go get a slice of pizza with me, sometime?"
>>83442601
>>83442878
I argued with my gf about how it's possible that Becky being a lesbian could be a cry for attention. There is some proof against it, but what do you anons think?
>>83449788
I think it's pretty shitty she came out as a lesbian and straight up assumed her friend was gay and wanted to be together.
In that strip, Joyce tells her straight up and Becky has a hard time processing that Joyce doesn't want anything to do in her pants.
>>83448197
I didn't even notice her. I think it'd help if panel 2's bubble were at the top of the panel, so that way your eyes are drawn back up there.
>>83450011
Yeah, that was bad. I took it as Becky had no other friends but Joyce, and because she loved her the most, she confused it with sexual feelings.
I don't care if Becky is actually gay. But it's really hard to believe it when you need to constantly convince everyone you are.
>>83450106
Suddenly I want to see a remix of that one clip of the black guy at the evangelical church who's handed a microphone and proclaims "I'm not gay anymore!"
>>83441308
Jesus fuck, Venom. I remind you you've been doing this for like 2 weeks?
How has no one freaked out at how far gone she's gotten so quickly? this isn't a gradual slip, this is a full psychotic break.
>>83443569
>>83443790
>>83443808
Maaa-ha-ha-haaan dat's good vultin'!
>>83444632
At least one of the VULT pictures *has* been posted with the small crosses switched out for lossrune marks, so you're not alone.
>>83450758
Willy is really, really bad at pacing.
>>83450758
>>83450862
By November, the entire school will have resorted to cannibalism.
>>83441308
how did she get up there without being noticed?
sal has been there since she got all buttmad at sadsack mcbuttfuck, how did she not see her do it?
did she drop from the roof or something? did sal not hear her fat ass plopping onto the awning just over her?
can she teleport or some obnoxious shit?
WHERE THE FUCK DID SHE COME FROM?
>>83451302
*shrug*
Grappling Hook?
>>83451227
>November
So what, like 5 more years from now? I could theoretically have toddlers before Willis moves this shit along into the second semester.
>>83451302
Hey, work's work.
>>83449167
Now, would they make it consensual or not?And if not, which would be the aggressor?
>>83452921Joyceturns out she's into some kinky shit
>>83446810
It's funny because even Jeph of Questionable Content had Faye see a therapist for the shit he went through.
Hell, even SOHMER of Least I Could Do had his characters go to therapy.
>>83449788
But everyone's giving the obnoxious bitch attention and always has.
>>83453328
They have, but have you ever had a friend that just acts way to hard to make you focus on him. Like, you knows he's there and isn't annoying, but he's trying to make a spectical of himself? That's Becky. The only down side is no one is telling her it's okay to act normal and calm.
>>83443956
Hey, if someone wants to write it, I'll read it.
>>83450106
I thought that was actually some legitimately good writing from Willis personally.
Her constant vocal affirmation to anyone and everyone that she's a lesbian could as varied as her getting a thrill out of it, a form of affirmation, or even just a reaction to repressing it for so long.
Why are progressives such retards?
>>83453721
Just Willis, who actually managed to undermine his entire point with Becky.
>>83454023
And Willis's unironic fans.
>>83454080
They are but extensions of Willis. Lesser Willi if you will. Should Willis die one will mature into a full Willis and the cycle will continue. It's nothing but Willis all the way down.
>>83448137
>>M "I have a different snide, pithy comment for a middle name every time I post. Know your place, peon" Sipher
And I thought he was a smug, self righteous piece of shit on the Allspark
>>83453645
Yeah, that's fine writing. I think the best character studies can be done one Becky, Joyce, and Amber. They are complex and realistic. (obviously, the superhero stuff is a slight stretch.) His writing suffers when he tries to put in strawman narrative. It becomes gross pandering and a horrible view of how the gender/race politics actually work. It's why liberals who love being victims enjoy his work a ton (I.E. Cerberus) while most rational people look at it as gross pandering.
But what do I know? I'm just a bigot in his eyes.
>>83441308
Holy cow does sal realy cuck amber or is this just teasing?
My dream is coming true.
>>83455320
Nah, Amber's just so withdrawn into her Amazi-Girl persona and her own personal issues that she thinks that Sal talking with Danny is outright cucking. All the two did was talk, but the moment Amber saw them within five feet of each other she broke up with Danny so that he could go get anally penetrated and so that she could commit murder.
>>83446501
Mary's pretty cute.
>>83455320
>tfw willis doesn't have the balls to have sal cuck amber and turn it into a shitty slipshine.
We will never get "Sal Performs a cuckoldry"
So, are we supposed to agree or disagree with Amber?
>>83455829
I'd like to think he hate-reads 4chan enough to know that we'd want it, and refuses to do it for just that very reason.
>>83446501
>Willis creates mary to be a self insert for his shitty fundie views in roomies!
>Everyone hates her and she turns into a horrible person to save face and because he turned apostate
>He pushed to far and now she is the hero we deserve
>>83455847
Everyone in this comic is terrible.
>>83446821
>DA
>mary is a defense attorney, defending her position against an onslaught of litigation and a biased jury
Almost as good as crusader Mary
>>83455847
I'm not sure. She's obviously wrong and delusional. but because of her trauma and her 'good deeds' we're supposed to be conflicted, I guess.
I just think she's shitty.
>>83455847
At this point, Amber is in a very disagreeable situation, but I'm sure Willis will bring up her childhood abuse and that will make her redeemable or something.
>>83452979
>>83452921
They force Becky to watch (but never join)
>>83455847
I've only ever partially read Willis's more recent stuff, but I can never quite shake the feeling that his terrible characters are, in some ways, purposefully meant to be terrible. Like, he knows he's making them terrible and doing it on purpose. And you're not really supposed to agree with their terribleness.
The disconnect, I think, is that Willis is trying to make them that lovable terrible. That sitcom way where some does A Bad Thing so there's conflict and to make them More Human, but it all works out in the end and the casts better nature prevails. That sort of shit.
For Willis, he doesn't really understand where the boundaries are with that, what things and behaviors are, in fact, so terrible there's no "every laughs ending." Combine that with how he's become a hypocritical, raving SJW lunatic who doesn't see people who disagree with him as either honest, reasonable, or people, and we get messes like the Carla and Mary subplot and Amber's nonsense.
>>83457324
He has said things along those lines but he doesn't fully believe it. That's just an excuse to cover his crappy writing. There are clearly characters whom we're supposed to excuse their flaws, and characters whose faults we're supposed to hate them for. Like the case with Carla vs. Mary. You're supposed to find Carla endearing and Mary to be horrible. He's said as much and flips at the people who like Mary or don't find Carla to be charmingly mischievous.
>>83452921
>>83452979
Could do both. If I were an artist I'd do one where he drugs and deflowers her, but then it turns out that she woke up halfway and kept going because she realized she wanted it. But I'm a freak that way.
>>83457324
>>83457572
It's like he saw that people loved Mike for being an asshole and decided to make everyone an asshole in DoA, missing the point of having one asshole doing terrible things as opposed to everyone else as a comic relief.
DoA is like Ultimate Walkyverse at this point, with Joyce being the largely unscathed Spider-Man.Get ready for her to die and be replaced by Lucy as the MC, is what I'm saying
>>83443340
>tfw you draw more fanart for things you hate than thing you enjoy
>>83454080
>Willis's unironic fans
They give me the heebie jeebies.
Where do they come from?
Do they cry because their dead grandmas watch them masturbate too?
How many of them live among us?
>>83457324
He did at least say one reason Carla was so terrible to Mary is that misgendering is always wrong no matter what. To which all I can really say is "if you punch someone, you don't get to be upset when they kick you in the balls."
>>83458744
Holy shit that's funny
Love that it's toedad marrying them. But it kind of looks like she has a broken arm a bit.
>>83458984
>broken arm
I'm pretty terrible at limp arms, and I usually end up combining cartoony/realistic features when trying to emulate a style until limbs look like they've been broken and improperly reset.
>>83442878
Is that what she calls it?
>>83446501
These statements just baffle me; it's like Willis forgot that Mary knows that Ruth is "a queer".
>>83455112
Mary could be a great character study too; an examination of someone who when confronted by things that don't adhere to their worldview isolates themselves and doubles down on their opinions.
>>83456447
Mary Bradford: Ace Attorney
>>83458744
Since Carla is trans and Mary thinks that transwomen are just guys with mental issues does that mean she'd be okay with dating Carla since it's technically a heterosexual relationship?
>>83458967
I think a lot of them read it because it adheres to their worldview. Others, like Cerberus, use it as a form of vicarious identification.
>>83459442
>does that mean she'd be okay with dating Carla
Yep, and she'd slowly use scriptures and sexual favors to win Carla over to her side.
>>83446658
Mary. She's written as a totally reasonable person driven to rudeness by the insane, belligerent assholes around her.
>>83443340
I dun did it
>>83459903
And is apparently the bad guy the whole time. Can't say something hateful to the one trying to get people to hate them, after all.
>>83459903
>>83460027
She's a petty, bigoted, judgmental asshole; she also happens to have a legit grievance.
Why do we still read this comic?
>>83460521
the quality fan art of marydoes anyone have that imgur album by that one really good artist for mary and carla ?
>>83443569
>>83443790
>>83443808
>>83448503
>>83460686Yoto? http://imgur.com/a/DNK9S Not sure if it's complete though
>>83461614
thanks family.
>>83460016
amazing
>>83460027
>Can't say something hateful to the one trying to get people to hate them
I wonder what Carla's endgame was there? Clearly she wasn't going to stop annoying Mary. Maybe that's a large reason of why I'm so against her disruption: it seemed like the only purpose was to piss Mary off.
>>83460016
How about a real challenge.
How about you make Willis into a real man
>>83458967
I was a fan of his wacky aliens n superheroes comic. I remember there were Republicans and even Christians among his fans, and he was friends with them.
What the fuck happened?
>>83462428
All I have is a computer anon. Not a fucking act of god.
>>83462668
He drank the Kool-Aid. Just one sip changes your whole political identity.
>>83445942
I would watch the crap out of this. I started reading this garbage at the beginning, and it feels like no time has passed AND an eternity has passed.
Why do you guys waste so much energy on Willis? I mean, if you dislike this shit, why do you keep reading?
Do you people watch the fucking news and go "Wow this guy who show up a mother fucking school isn't being portrayed sympathetically enough?"
>>83462954
Shot up a school, even
>>83462954
If I had it, I'd post that image of Peter Parker enjoying his anger, because that's basically it. We enjoy being angry and also shitting on people.
>>83461614
Holy shit. DoA characters drawn by someone with a sense of form and line control
>>83462954
Why do you come to a thread on complaining about Willis, to complain about people complaining about Willis?
Seriously. How does this affect you?
>>83463029
... You do realize that wasn't meant to be a positive moment for Peter, right?
>>83463091
Why do you complain about me coming into these threads to complain about me complaining about you? How does this affect you?
>>83446891
No, she does know. Mary said something about Ruth "defiling the cheerleader" when she was talking about how much Ruth sucked at her job.
>>83463145
Because I love irony
>>83462954
I'm not angry. I'm laughing at him. Willis is like a successful version of Dobson and that means he gets to keep making a ton of content for me to laugh at for being awful.
>>83450758
Oh snap, the mask is a symbiote. That's why Lucy went on a murderous rampage when she became Amazi-Girl
>>83463205
So why are you so set on getting justice for Toedad and Ruth? The comic is awful but why do people frame it around the issue of gaining justice for bigots?
I mean, the drama's overwrought, the continuity is poor, he has a poor sense of pacing, he writes worse smut than Alan Moore, he actually makes Becky insensitive and double standard towards Joyce, Dina is an insulting, almost Sheldon from Big Bang Theory level caricature of an autistic person
But no, people keep focusing on Toedad and Mary. Are you mad that the comic is bad, or that he's making people with these views out to be bad people?
>>83463389
Toedad and Mary, even
>>83463389
The characters actually have some hidden death that Willis refuses to explore because he needs them to be one dimensional villains.
Shades of Grey morality is transphobic and homophobic I guess
>>83463389
Wanna know the real reason?Because it pisses people off, including you apparently
>>83463486
*hidden depth
>>83463389
>So why are you so set on getting justice for Toedad and Ruth? The comic is awful but why do people frame it around the issue of gaining justice for bigots?
Same reason I was rooting for Triple H to win at Wrestlemania. Obviously he's supposed to be a bad guy but I hate Roman Reigns so I'm cheering for the villain out of spite. Saying "Toedad did nothing wrong" or "Mary did nothing wrong" is a funny and provocative way of pointing out that Becky and Carla are fucking cunts. You're being intentionally contrarian and it feels fun.
>>83463434
Does anyone defend Toedad? The complaints I usually hear about him was just how one dimensional and silly his whole story was.
As for Mary. Carla started that whole thing. Mary's crime was calling her a boy and only after Carla just wouldn't let up, and how this is supposed to be worse than murder.
>>83450011
Yeah, she did some massive projecting onto Joyce, and Joyce deserved none of it. It sucks that that ended up with Joyce feeling bad about hurting Becky's feelings. No. It is not your fault, Joyce. It is Becky's fault for being selfish.
>>83463486
No amount of hidden depth justifies the shit they do, dude. That's the point.
School shooters are people with hopes dreams and emotions. That doesn't mean they deserve to have their story told in a light that makes them out t be sympathetic or misunderstood.
Mary's story is flawed because Willis is a terrible storyteller who failed to accurately portray how a bigot behaves. But the core idea that no amount of asshole behavior justified subjecting someone to hate speech is a valid one.
>>83462428
I think itd be easier to turn lead into gold
>>83463627
"Worse than murder?" She got hit with a pie.
>>83463694
Obviously you haven't read the comments on the strip
>>83463665
>School shooters are people with hopes dreams and emotions. That doesn't mean they deserve to have their story told in a light that makes them out t be sympathetic or misunderstood.
You've obviously never seen Gus van Sant's "Elephant".
>>83452258
He doesn't want freshman year to end in-comic, so the zombie apocalypse will have come and gone in the real world before he even gets to April.
>>83463665
It's hard to say that Mary's "hate speech" was that terrible when Carla hardly seemed bothered by it at all. And even then, Carla is a misanthropic sociopath who goes out of her way to make everyone miserable. Why the fuck should I care about what happens to her?
>>83463665
Just because a character is sympathetic doesn't make their actions justifiable, dumbass.
it makes you understand how a person can get to that point and not just makes "the villain" out as "the other". It makes the mistake like school shooting or hate speech hit closer to home BECAUSE it's just a regular person very similar to someone you know or maybe even you.
>>83463731
I don't know if I care to?
Look, dude, every time some white guy kills somebody the news talks about how he was mentally ill, or how he ruined his potential, or some shit like that. Just own up to your bullshit. You want this story to be that safe kind of story where even the bigots "have a point" and "justified reasons" and how "you can't fight hate with hate"
>>83463746
From 2010 to 2016 (six year real-time), we've moved one month in Walkyverse time.
Therefore, six years real-time is one month Walkytime.
Thus, one college semester (nine months) in Walkytime is equal to around 54 years in real-time.
A person could be born, attend college, have children, send THEM to college, and possibly even see grandchildren in the amount of time it theoretically will take for the characters in "Dumbing of Age" to get through a single goddamn semester of college.
>>83463812
Just because that narrative is only trotted out with white shooters doesn't make it wrong. The solution isn't to do away with it but to apply it to everyone who commits an act of violence.
>>83463774
>sociopath
You do realize no actual formal diagnosis of sociopathy has ever been given, right? It's categorically not real.
Carla's just a jerk.
>>83463812
you do realize school shootings are caused by narcissism, a real thing right? Just because you give an asshole some depth or explanation or depth doesn't make them any less of an asshole. That's just how the fucking world works
>>83455829
More like Sal performs a cuckhold-up
>>83463878
No, at that point you STOP DOING IT because this just emboldens future violence because it inspires more people like those idiots into thinking they can go out in a blaze of glory where everyone will cry about their sad story
>>83463897
I don't actually disagree with that at all
>>83463665
Maybe I can't bent out of shape when the hate speech is just calling someone a boy. If Mary denied Carla a job or beat her up because she was trans, that's bigotry. Calling someone a name is less than the constant harassment that Carla was subjecting Mary to. For some reason, the fact that Carla is trans is supposed to make her pain more valid than other people. If Carla was just a regular guy doing what he did to a girl, he would be the villain and everyone would be cheering when the girl hurt him back.
>>83463884
It's a bit hyperbolic, but the point is that Carla is a shitty person. She's not sympathetic in the slightest.
>>83463897
>you do realize school shootings are caused by narcissism, a real thing right?
Mass shootings take place for a variety of different reasons. Sometimes the shooter's a paranoid schizophrenic (Laughner, Holmes), other times there's a political motivation (Roof, Breivik, San Bernadino attackers), other times the shooter is simply a sadistic psychopath (Columbine, Lane, Rodgers) who yes, do have narcissist tendencies. Really, Lanza is the only unaccounted for shooter whose motives are still unknown.
>>83463977
That's basically what makes it so silly: Carla has continually harassed and bullied Mary using Ruth as a means of getting away with it. Mary's oh-so-terrible response is to call her a mean name. In Willis's eyes, this isn't merely as bad as what Carla does, it's somehow even worse.
>>83463977
>calling someone a name isn't bigotry
Yes, it is. Someone I once knew called another child a nigger in school and they got suspended. The punishment for the damn crime.
Which is why Mary only got subjected to humiliation. Carla didn't beat her up. She didn't murder her. She just gave her what Mary gave her.
If you want a fucking example of disproportionate punishment actually DONE BY WILLIS, look at the end of Roomies, which heaps slut shaming on Mary and punishes her with an unwanted child.
>>83463977
You just don't understand transgenderism.Neither does Willis. However he hates himself enough to wade through pages of shit by random trans teens on Tumblr about how misgendering and deadnaming are equivalent to murder, so he gets points for effort.
>>83464122Mary gets an abortion.
>>83464087
And you people keep missing the point. The POINT is that Carla is an unlikable asshole. The point is that hate speech isn't justified because someone did a bad thing. Hell Mary would have saved herself all this grief if she went above Carla AND Ruth's heads instead of doing what she did.
If she just wanted to study, there's tons of practical things she could have done.
>>83463119
It was an edit, Anon.
>>83464122
But Carla started it. Mary was cordial and asked her to stop and Carla belittled her which is usually a bad thing to do to women according to people like Willis. Carla kept escalating it until she was literally following Mary around which is when Mary threw out the name. Mary never approached Carla. She was always alone in her own room.
In reality, it should've never even gotten to Mary calling anyone a name (the suspension worthy crime) because the RA would've stopped Carla for causing a disturbance.
>>83464176
Yes, I know what happens. It's still god awful in terms of the context it was originally presented
Hey it's an actually good page. Wonder how long this one'll last.
>>83464316
inb4 dad divorces mom for being too conservative
>>83464316
"Never in my life have you so vehemently defied me?" Come the fuck ON, Willis! She's a Christian housewife, not Darth Vader!
>>83464316
Judging by panel three, it's bound to rebound into another story about Willis' mo- I mean, Joyce's mother being pushy or whatever.
Hell, just look at the character designs. You can tell by her hair alone that Joyce's mother's acorn chin is a sign that she's totes evil.
>>83464295
>Cordial
She started a god damned two sides pissing contest until it all ended in the mess we are now
But I don't care if you ARE nice at first. That doesn't give you the okay for bigotry. Look, I know you people base your idea of relations with minorities off of episodes of the Boondocks, but that was criticism by a black man FOR the sake of other black people, not a treatise about how it's okay for people to use slurs if you have a good reason.
>>83464176
sigh.
I'm a crossdresser. I have had strangers throw mean comments at me.
I have also been in situations where someone would bully me nonstop (for non trans reasons) and I felt I had no one to run to because they were like Ruth, and that was much worse and more unforgivable.
Not trying to act like a victim but really, don't throw out the "you can't understand" card. If I started trouble with someone and they yell something hurtful back at me, I would deserve it.
No one type of person has the market cornered on what hurts.
>>83464232
>The point is that hate speech isn't justified because someone did a bad thing.
So "hate speech" isn't justified, but incessantly bullying and harassing Mary while collaborating with the RA to make sure she's in a perpetually hostile living situation is?
>>83464316
Joyce's mom looks like my grandmother (who is an evangelical christian, and according to my mother was an abusive parent) and I can't stop laughing.
>>83464378
>implying Willis can tell the difference
>>83464413
>Look, I know you people
What do you mean, "you people"?
>>83464413
People snap. Yes, what Mary did was wrong, but the horrible reactions that treat Mary as Hitler are too. Mary wasn't the bad guy, she was just a human being pushed too far.
Boy, I can't wait til Willis tells us for whom to root: the obvious mental case or the slightly less obvious mental case.
"Positive" examples of transition, yes! Positive examples of seeking mental help, no!
>>83464419
>No one type of person has the market cornered on what hurts
Oddly enough you could make hella' bank if you turned that into a card.
But yeah, fuck everybody else anon, you still got assholes like us.
>>83464413
Anon, what the point you seem to have trouble understanding is, right up until that moment, Carla was completely in the wrong. Mary did everything short of get the RA, who demonstrated that she favors Carla over her. Does calling her a name then mean that suddenly Carla never did anything wrong, and she's suddenly the innocent party?
>>83464419
So uh, this is a different anon who's clearly pretending to be me.
To be perfectly transparent? I'm a 31 year old white person. I'm as cuz as cud can be. I still think you're all chucklefucks.
Also lol at the notion that cross dressing is equatable with being trans. Cuz cross dressers can be some of the biggest trans hating people around.
>>83464419
>No one type of person has the market cornered on what hurts
Well spoken, brother! As Doug Stanhope says, "How does that suck make this suck suck less?"
>>83464316
Mister Brown is OP bro-tier. How long will it last before Becky's abuse of his hospitality wears thin?
>>83464505
>>83464465
>>83464456
No, and you haven't been listening. Carla is an asshole. Carla is a pain in the neck. Carla is a detriment to the rest of the dorm. She is an unashamed, unrepentant jackass.
But that DOES NOT JUSTIFY WHAT MARY DID.
The whole POINT is that someone can be an asshole and still be a victim, and that their poor behavior triggering your bullshit does not entitle you to forgiveness.
It's a fucking lesson our parents teach us from the beginning. Two wrongs don't make a right.
>>83464559
>How long will it last before Becky's abuse of his hospitality wears thin?
Forever, because the universe exists to keep Becky quirky and fun and lesbian.
>>83464378
>the ability to date women is insignificant compared to the power of the lord
>w-we were just visiting old friends "you're part of the LGBT alliance and a traitor. take her away"
>finds becky's lack of faith disturbing
Willis might be onto something here.
>>83464465
Plus keep in mind that due to the really retarded 'everything that has happened so far has happened over the course of a month' shit that all the Carla actively harassing her and belittling her religion shit happened over an extremely short period of time
>>83464527
>Also lol at the notion that cross dressing is equatable with being trans.
That's it. I'm out. Speaking of pissing contests...
>>83464559
It won't, so far Willis has written him as a semi-real person, so he's done normal fucking things like still worry about Becky but have doubts about what she's been doing, and also covering for Joyce because he realizes his little girl needs to have some space to do her own thing.
>>83464527
Cuz as cud be? Fucking phone. I mean "cis as cis could be"
>>83464680
But Carla never suffers any repercussions for her actions, while Mary does, despite Carla arguably being the greater offender.
They're both villains, but only Mary gets punished, because Willis is a hack.
>>83464680
Competent parents teach people that others will look for ways to hurt them. Carla has been sheltered to such a degree that a verbal riposte stops her in her tracks. Note how she uses technology, deceit, extraneous resources to exact her revenge. "Stick and stones" clearly doesn't apply to them: any affront, to Carla, is worth overreaction.
>>83464755
Mary gets punished because her victims make an effort to gain recompense. An authority figure has not intervened in any of this.
>>83464812
Mary's a victim too, anon
>>83464796
What resources should she use then, exactly? She used a fucking diversion and a bloody pie for Mary to hang herself. All she did was use Mary's own idiocy to enable her to fuck herself over.
Would you rather she beat her up and gotten herself expelled? How is a much larger woman attacking a smaller one brave?
>>83464680
Ruth is the real villain in everything.
>>83464859
Mary has lost:
>study time
>The time she needed to wash the pie off
Carla has had her expensive property destroyed and called a slur
That's really balanced anon
That's the fucking hilarious part. Barely anything has actually been DONE to Mary.
>>83464859
One wonders just how much situational stupidity was required for Carla's plan to actually work.
>Mary observes a machine before her, with an mysterious purpose
>Nearby stands Carla, whistling the same well-known song like a jackass who knows nothing about music, and holding a box
>CLEARLY, the box must be the ENTIRE KEY to the functioning of the machine.
>>83464957
Maybe Carla shouldn't be using her 'expensive property' to ride through the halls and annoy people who nicely ask her to stop
>>83464893
Something besides continued harassment, then mocking regarding said harassment.
"The one thing that angers you more than anything else in this world is that I exist."
Totally, not the fact that you make a nuisance of yourself.
>Being obnoxious resulted in negative consequences for me!
>God-damn, better act MORE OBNOXIOUS
>>83464957
Carla has lost
>The time she needed to wash the glue off since glue doesn't dry that fast under any circumstances
>her feelings only after she insulted Mary's religion multiple times to multiple degrees and tried to get her to fuck up on exams
Not seeing how little miss privilege is out of anything more than Mary
>>83464957
At the end of the day the majority of people in these threads just wanted someone to admit that Carla was an asshole. The whole "Mary is pure" shit's a meme, and pretty much everyone hates the bitch.
>>83464957
>Carla has had her expensive property destroyed
Her parents own a fucking company that could, seemingly with no problem, lend her components to a cartoonishly complicated lighting machine. She spent more money on her revenge than on her damn skates, most likely.
>and called a slur
Big fucking deal, when you make the choice to become a disruptive shitbag, you don't get to complain when someone has enough of your shit.
>>83465086
I don't like her as a person but I want to fuck her
>>83465055
I never said that she's sympathetic. I'm just posting what's quantifiable from their pissing contest.
What lasting damage has been done to Mary? The poor privileged Christian white girl had one bad study night and a pie in her face.
BOO HOO
>>83465111
What lasting damage has been done to Carla? She's rich, she can easily repair/replace the skates
>>83465111
Asking Mary's god to kill her in a prayer is worse than Carla being called a boy, if you disagree you're one deluded fuck
>>83465086
Carla IS an asshole! That's the literal fucking point. Willis himself has said as much.
That's why this is all so stupid. You want an acknowledgement that's already been given to you.
>>83465202
Then why does Willis treat her as she's objectively in the right and Mary's objectively in the wrong?
>>83464680
My parents taught me that when you were being bullied, you had to stick up for yourself and defend yourself. And ultimately, that's what Mary is doing: she's defending herself against Carla's abusive, hostile behavior. She has no obligation to cater to Carla's feelings because Carla has shown nothing but contempt towards Mary and her feelings. And it's patently obvious that Ruth isn't going to defend Carla, meaning that Mary is left to her own devices. In this case, why should we blame someone who is left on their own in the face of an increasingly hostile environment?
>>83464957
Carla has a supportive environment- Mary is universally despised, and Ruth has openly expressed contempt and hostility towards Mary to the point of physically attacking her. Carla is also from a very rich family. She can very easily cope with Mary hurting her feelings.
What resources does Mary have? Her peers hate her, Ruth despises her, and it's not likely the the college administration is going to be too interested in making a religious and conservative student feel welcome.
>>83465202
>Willis has said as much
okay. Has anyone in universe? I don't seem to recall anyone but Mary ever calling her on her shit and even asking her to stop.
>>83464378
Who the fuck talks like this? The dialogue in this comic is so convoluted.
>>83465352
"Never in my life have you so vehemently defied me! MmmmmMMMMMMMmmmmm!"
Don't forget that Carla slapped Mary super hard
>>83465145
Carla was misgendered. That's the damage.
Let me lay it out for you. Imagine there's a fucking awful person, does a huge amount of crimes, and they are eventually caught. They happen to be transgender.
It's not okay to misgender them.
It's not okay to misgender Carla.
Is the crime of misgendering equal to other crimes that may have been done? No, because the notion that crimes are equal are absurd - what that applies to is PUNISHMENT. Should they be let off the hook for whatever else they've done because they're the victim of being misgendered? Of course not.
Nothing anyone has done justifies making it open season on denying them their identity.
If Mary cared about getting Justice for herself she wouldn't have done what she did. She wouldn't be manipulating Ruth. If she cared about any of this shit she'd be discussing it with campus authorities and getting Ruth help.
Look at fucking Sarah. She did exactly what Mary SHOULD have done with her damn roommate.
Mary is a fucking idiot and she brought this on herself. That doesn't make Carla a good person, but it shouldn't have to.
>>83464378
I bet if we looked back at Toedad's dialogue, we'd find some kind of parallel that we're supposed to have already picked up on.
>>83465221
Because it's wrong to misgender someone.
>>83465431
Nope, that was the douchebag abusing her power as RA to give preferential treatment to her fuckbuddy
>>83465448
Man up
>>83465448
So Mary misgendering Carla is worse that Carla bullying Mary for her religion, harassing her nonstop, and asking her God to kill her?
What the fuck are you on?
>>83465448
If Carla was FtM and black, most of the comments would be against him.
But cause she trans-ed into a white female, she still gets white knight status.
>>83464316
>>83465448
Totally right.
But I also think that the hipocracy of Ruth being the one to get on to Mary for being "problematic" rubbed too many people here the wrong way, and we all went to the shitter.
>>83465259
Mary's peers hate Mary because Mary is abusive and condescending towards them.
If you want someone who did everything right and became a pariah, look at Sarah. She did what was best for herself and her roommate by talking to the right people.
Mary decided to get even by luring Carla into a cruel trick, and then brought retaliation upon her.
