Ultimate Marvel Storytime
>What's being storytimed?
Ultimate Marvel, later known as Ultimate Comics, was an imprint of comic books published by Marvel Comics, featuring re-imagined and updated versions of the company's superhero characters from the Ultimate Universe. The imprint was launched in 2000 with the publication of the series Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men, providing new original stories for the characters. The Marvel Multiverse, which comprises an infinite number of galaxies and alternate universes, calls this universe Earth-1610.
>Why are you doing this?
Because there's a lot of good stuff that people ignored that deserves recognition and even the bad stuff can be fun.
>Why this order?
I originally planned on doing USM to Death of Spider-Man, but I want to do the rest now. I've separated things into groups for convenience.
>Where can I catch up?
Right here http://pastebin.com/NfBDHt1X
Ultimate Fantastic Four
>>83194596
>>83200244
>>83230341
Morning everybody, how is everyone?
>>83242588
The second UFF/UXM crossover is probably the best ending that UFF got
>>83242609
The annuals?
>>83242624
The one right before Ultimatum, you remember that one?
>>83242643
Yeah, those were the annuals. Where Franklin has the Phoenix Force and Reed is Annihilus. I loved that.
I really like this one too.
>>83242697
It was a great ending.
Had enough ambiguity that it made it seem like Ult. Reed could eventually take the positives of that Universe and try to bypass the negatives.
I'm also pretty certain that it also heavily influenced Fialkov's UFF.
I always loved how tight the continuity was in this universe. Even Ultimatee Doomsdaymade Reed's fall make sense by following his obsession under the influence of Thanos and all the flashbacks we see. I know the fake out with his death was incredibly cheap, but it took me by surprise and the reason he turns is explained.Just like hoe Peter coming back to life is explained.
>>83242740
It had to have, but also so didI. Years ago I wrote on CBR I wrote about Sue and Johnny's mom actually being the Dr. Doom that died in Ultimatum going so far to say that the real Doom would escape the zombieverse unharmed. Like two/three years later Fialkov is writing just that and was an active member on the forums for quite some time.I may be reaching with that, but damn it it must be true!
>>83242806
I like Fialkov's explanation for Ultimate Doomsday.
Ultimate Doomsday Trilogy as a whole...I found awful.
But as a foundation for Fialkov it got me really excited.
And cool.
With the second crossover, it has all the same hallmarks that Fialkov was setting up. Reed as a recluse, Susan being kinda evil, and the importance of Franklin
>>83242873
>Ultimate Doomsday Trilogy as a whole...I found awful.
It's been years since I've read Doomsday, but I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed. My taste in comics has changed a lot since then. Hell, I used to hate all of Millar's Ultimate stuff, but rereading it here I realize that it has a lot of great ideas. He needs someone else to write the dialogue so everyone isn't an asshat.
>the importance of Franklin
I don't think I've ever been more horrified than whenSue went to collect Reed's sperm. God Marvel fucked this universe good in the end.
>>83242954
Fialkov was seeding for a long game, I'm pretty sure that issue was written cause it was cancelled by then haha.
I've never been more disappointed whenit turned out to not be Franklin
Damn, his Ultimates was all "All Hope Lies In Reed" and then nada.
>>83243017
That was really disappointing. The last issue of Ultimate FF was his entire run squeezed into one issue written by someone else. What I don't get is that Fialkov and Hickman were telling stories about incursions and Marvel didn't tall either of them about the other. Secret Wars could have a much better buildup, but instead they cancel UFF and Fialkov said fuck you to Marvel.
>>83243082
Yeah, and it was getting pretty entertaining with the inclusion of Ult. Spider-Ham and Rick Jones.
They never gave it a real chance...putting a chicken scratch artist who was worse than Land on it.
And with regards to the Ult. Doomsday Trilogy...I felt that where it went with Reed was stuff that had been gone over to death before that.
His reactions made no sense with the pragmatic person he had become by then.
He'd have just left for another universe, like he always wanted
>>83243136
I think the second artist was better, the one that also worked on Avengers AI, but that first one was garbage. It was sucha high conecpt book and needed someone that could convey that. I'm not sure who would have been a good fit though.
>He'd have just left for another universe, like he always wanted
His love for Sue kept him here. I know people rip on Humphries, but, as I've said before, that "I love you" line is the old Reed coming back to the surface and is why he didn't leave. He didn't want another universe, he wanted Susan. In his sick twisted head it was all for her. He's egotistical, self-centered, and flew off the handle incredibly easily. That's why when the Ultimatum wave hit he immediately went after Namor instead of staying with Sue. He wanted revenge for Namor hurting his love and was too blind by rage and hate to think rationally. Had he stayed with Sue things probably would have worked out for him.
He was a Reed Richards, but he lost his Susan and the light went out. Fialkov even continued on that with the way he talks to Sue, in his mind it seems to him that there's a chance for them to get back together and then Sueneuters him
>>83243313
i think you might be remembering the final issues of Fialkov's UFF wrong.He talked Sue out of that shit and got her to take a saved sample of Ben's instead
And I can understand that his love for Sue kept him there.
But that's WHY Fialkov's retcon in his Ultimates run works.
Because it's all of the other stuff he does in UDT that are just...pure nonsense.
>>83243366
Yeah I was, I just grabbed my copy and flipped through it.I didn't even remember it being a girl.Talking about all this has me really hyped for Fialkov's run though.
>>83243453
If there's one thing Fialkov understood about Ult. Reed was that he could be seem like a cold motherfucker.
When given two options he will chose the one that keeps the most safe.
Like in the Ultimate Galactus Trilogy.
That's why Fialkov was able to make UDT into something worthwhile. Bendis went too far into"Reed was a school shooter/always crazy"and that's what irks.
I'm having trouble posting the next page. It keeps saying there is a malicious code. I tried opening it in paint and adding a dot, but that's not working this time. Any ideas?
>>83243490
I've only read Ultimate Galactus once so I'm not really sure what you're referring to.
>spoiler
I can agree to that. That was the problem I had with the movie ChronicleI really don't understand the love for that film
>>83243547
resize it.
Works 100% of the time
And I'm talking about the Ultimate Ultimate Nullifier and how he got it to work.
And agreed about Chronicle.
I made a copy of the file, see if that works.
>>83243568
The copy didn't work, but re-sizing did. Thanks.
I don't even remember there being an Ultimate Nullifier. I just remember the scene with the bunker that Civil War used and Surfer arriving in the city, and a couple of other small parts. I'm looking forward to reading again because I know it's incredible and remember loving it, just not why.
>And agreed about Chronicle.
Yay! I'm not alone! Everyone I talk to loves that movie to death.
>>83243671
Oh the Ult. Ultimate Nullifier is awesome.
The UFF are great in that trilogy and Ellis did it pretty good even if it drags a bit here and there.
And yeah, I mean the having fun stuff in Chronicle is fun, but then it just gets trite and cliche.
Like UDT, but we'll see when we get to that.
>>83243713
Can't wait! On a slightly related note, you ever see the 1994 F4 film by Roger Corman?
>>83243745
I never have, no.
I've always thought about tracking it down though.
>>83243800
I can upload it to Mega for you if you want. It's definitely the most faithful adaptation we've gotten. I bought a bootleg of it at a con years ago.
>>83243836
Nah, I wouldn't want to put you out. I'll try to catch it in the next few days for sure.
And also, love the start of Carey's run.
Mixing Thanos and the Fourth World was...a neat choice.
>>83243872
Carey's run is underrated. I love the Silver Searcher arc.
>>83243910
Norrin is such a nice character in this,
Carey's run did have some pitfalls though.
Reed and Sue breaking up twice in 3 arcs? Come on.
This whole series is really good overall.
>>83243940
Eh, if Peter and MJ can do so can Reed and Sue. They broke up like what, four time in USM? They're teenagers.
>>83243967
The break-ups weren't done with the best effect either is more my contention
>>83244030
Fair enough, I think I was always too distracted by the rest of the stuff in the story happening to really care much. We'll see how I feel this time.
>>83243112
Is sue always a catty bitch?
>>83244083
The first break up was well placed, as ithappened right as that whole Reed is possessed by Thanos stuff came to a head
But then Salem's Seven and Ultimatum happened incredibly soon after that and took out the wings.
>>83244105
Ultimate Sue, yes.
>>83244129
Oh shit, okay. I remember that now, that was poorly handled. I didn't really care for Salem Seven, the whole Hydra thing was weird.
>>83244183
Salem Seven was so weak.
Just a mish mashed idea.
Sort of a weak way to end the series since the next arc was the Ultimatum tie-in anyway
>>83244239
Were the two Heroes writers brought in due to Loeb? Because they sucked.
>>83244291
They did suck, hard.
What were your thoughts on Evil Reed?
Because for a while...people said that "Ult. Reed finally got interesting".
>>83244315
I always found Ultimate Reed interesting. The cool thing about him is that you could see how he could become 616 Reed, but he was yound and impulsive. Easily manipulated too and it was fun to watch people take advantage of that. Him turning evil was awesome as well. It was also cool to see Hickman writing mirror Reeds that both had the same goal, but were going about it completely differently.
>>83244412
I thought that the him being evil was the most interesting part of his whole escapade there.
There was a nice mix.
>>83244520
Oh for sure, but the lead up to it was interesting as well for me. Especially once Thanos got involved.
>>83244548
I don't really remember Thanos having that much of a role
>>83244520
What do you think of Ultimate Sue?
>>83244580
He manipulated Reed's mind into pushing out his friends and family to focus on making the cosmic cube making it so that he was alone. I've always contributed that to being the biggest reason Sue and him fractured.
>>83244586
I think she was best under Ellis.
Forthright, a bit headed, but overall she cared about the rest.
After that she sorta wavers between being on the edges of the story and sorta bullheaded.
>>83244630
I can see that, what about where Fialkov took her?
>>83244627
Oh yeah, most certainly.
That's definitely the biggest feature, but really Bendis wastes the potential of making an interesting character piece about Reed's fall.
Can't get around it.
>>83244649
That's a two tier question.Ultimate Kangwas awesome.
His regular Ultimate Sue needed more time to breathe.
There was an interesting set up to "All Hope Lies In Reed" and I have no doubt he would have done her justice in that.
>>83244683
Man, I'm starting to get the feeling I'm going to loathe Doomsday when we get there.
Would you have rather seen Hickman or Fialkov continue? Keep in mind that had Hickman not left his Avengers wouldn't exist.
>>83244726
Fialkov.
His retcon of Ultimate Doomsday Trilogy showed he understood what Ult. Reed was all about at that point, in my opinion.
And his last few UFF issues showed some real humor.
Hickman's stuff was interesting, but...I love the UFF.
>>83244756
Agreed. Hickman was great, but I had some problems here and there that hindered my enjoyment. Fialkov's was just fun and smart. I wish he and Nick Spencer had continued. I bet they would have had some crazy collaborations.
>>83244793
If I had to say the real positive about Hickman's run isn't what it brought in in terms of concepts...but what it brought back.
It tried to bring back the long form Ultimates story.
Millar's stuff were 13 issues or so. But after he left they became normal six issue arcs. It was nice to see the longer style return
>>83244837
While I do agree, I do kind of dislike the "seasons" approach Marvel seems to have adopted using that. Especially now that we're getting a relaunch every year. It's killing the industry.
Are there any comics that just have one long story as apposed to several arcs that make up one long story? Y:The Last Man tells one story, but there are still five or six issue arcs that make up that story. I'm looking for something that is completely serialized.
>>83244991
That is a pretty interesting question
Bump
Love your storytimes OP
>>83245228
Thanks,I love you
>>83245550
Reed's sister.
While she wasn't the best character, it was pretty neat to see him grow a stronger tie to his family.
>>83245571
Until Bendis blew that up. Oh man, I'm already getting upset about UDT
>>83245582
I know, right?
I mean, you can say that Reed went mad from isolation or whatever.
But that falls flat when you spend about 2-3 arcs setting up his sister as a part of his life.
