THUNDERBOLTS STORYTIMEPlease don't suck
What kind of art is that , it like something straight from gen 13
>>82472219
Art is literally Liefield tier. Artist is literally a protege of Liefield. WTF is Marvel thinking?
>>82472404
Yeah, I legitimately thought it was Liefeld doing the cover art
>>82472309
Can no one write Karla Sofen except Buseik and Nicieza?
>>82472279
>>82472293
"Big Brother with a Badge" is redundant.
Also, is this whole thing for super villain rights?
Yeah, this was fucking terrible
wait why the kubik act like psycho kid
>>82472348
Oh sweet, I liked Kobik in Standoff. Hate this look for her, though, it's so over the top and not in a good way.
>>82472333
Wait what? Wasn't Mach-V a probation officer in that Spider-Man book? And wasn't Techno lost in time/stuck in that timeloop where he died? How did they end up in prison again?
>>82472357
Does Bucky not know that Fury is the new Watcher or is that a new change post-SW?
I would never believe it, if I hadn't seen it.
Someone swiping from Liefeld.
I don't know if it could be more 90s than this
>>82472510
Goddamn.
>>82472551
because she is crazy (since the Thanos ongoing).
>>82472348
Erik, you were there when Thunderbolts Mountain was the OG bolt's HQ.
Abe is a complete non-entity in this issue. Zub also doesn't seem to realize that Abe was completely reformed.
>>82472404
The artist drew Youngblood.
>>82472510
>>82472510
Getting tired of first issues doing stupid last page shock value bullshit.
>>82472510
This is dumb.
>>82472510
Uhhhhhh....
WHAT?
>>82472510
SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT?!?
I'm kind of scared to read this first issue now seeing the reactions
-JSAnon
>>82472510
I'd be more worried if I wasn't pretty goddamn sure Bucky is going to make her fix it next issue.
Still, I thought this was pretty cute up until the shit at the end. Willing to give Buckybolts a few more issues.
>>82472510
>work at Marvel
>"Y'know what sells a lot?"
>Injustice!
>>82472857
Also, Moonstone is fine and on the cover of the next issue.
>>82472849
You liked Fifty-Sue, right? Well Kobik is now that.
>>82472578
Abe wasn't in prison, see the character bios. >>82472543 It's just talking about the majority of the team.
Also, Zub's said he has plans to explain how Fixer escaped.
>>82472510
> Abe has no personality whatsoever in this
> Kobik's characterization is also off
> author can't write Karla worth a shot
>anti-climatically killing off Karla fucking Sofen in the first issue
>if not killing her off then it's still pulling cheap shock-value garbage
Yeah, this is gonna suck.
>>82472939
I was not unamused by the general comic tone taken with Fifty Sue, but that was in a context where 1) it was Giffen so you knew you were in for mean comedy 2) bad future, nothing would stick
>>82472977
>>82472977
if you think this is bad, just wait for few more issues til they age up kobik only to get fucked by bucky
>>82472270
>We 90s now
>>82472915
That too. People are already desensitized to shock shit due to the Status Quo. It's why the first reaction people had when Cap died was "Meh, he'll be back in time for the movie."
Now they have the cover previews showing their bluff, why even try it?
>>82472915
>trusting marvel covers
>>82473069
I hope not. I like omnipotent loli best friend. She only really works because she's 4.
>CBR faggots actually wanted for Songbird to be removed of NA and added to this book
>>82473005
still , when Fifty Sue will appear in Rebirth
>>82473124
I would want Songbird in the Thunderbolts instead of an Avengers team she's got such a small role in if the creative team was different.
new kobik sucks
>>82472270
>A liefeld knockoff
>2016
Kind of incredible.
LETS GET X-TREEEM
>Is a "inhumans bullshit is causing problems"
Yawn
>>82472270
>Erik's mouth
Christ.
>>82473242
Go and read your irrelevant Extraordinary comics, genefreak.
>>82473242
I'm so tired of those fucks infecting every Marvel book out there, it's fucking obnoxious.
You know... that Moonstone outfit would look amazing by Ivan Reis.
>>82472464
ELLIS MOTHER FUCKER?
>>82472492
OK I like this kid now, I hope they don't do something stupid and age her up rapidly in a future chapter. Kids doing stupid/ fun stuff is part the 90's charm.
>I didn't like this or the first issue of Punisher
That's what I get for looking forward to things and having hope, I guess.
>>82473122
>yeah that's truetho i kinda hope she cute like singularity not this hyperactive shit. they need a mini together
>>82472492
>>82472510
>give Thunderbolts big push
>THIS is how the ongoing starts
So anyone else suddenly got a really bad feeling about this book? Like it's going to end up being massively fucking retarded?
Weird how they'd give this book 90s nostalgia art but then assign a writer who triggers all the >not muhs. Choose an audience to pander to and stick with it, this route ends up making everybody mad.
Oh look, another shitty ongoing with a writer who just does whatever the fuck he wants with little regard to previous character history or motivation and lazy, amateurish and ugly art. The type of high value entertainment one can expect from Marvel in 2016.
>>82472849
Here's your way of telling whether or not this is a good book. Look at the book and ask yourself this question:
>Is it a Marvel comic being published in 2016?
If so, file it away as being shit and move on.
>>82473162
Songbird needs to stay over on New Avengers, Ewing is doing amazing things with her.
>>82473368
So 90's comic book
>All this salt from "not-muh-thundies"-fags
This makes it even funnier
>>82472510
>>82472492
I'm sorry to bring company wars into this but... how comes Marvel can publish shit like this but DC is the one that has the image of being shitty and 90s?
>>82472510
hahahahaha
>>82473413
>not muh
>>82473413
>Implying this is "not-muh" and not "this comic is sucking so much already at the start, why?!?!
Also, even if this wasn't already obvious, doing shock-value finales at this moment and era has kinda lost its charm.
>>82473418
The beginning of the New 52 was linewide 90s. This is one book. Well, two, counting X-Men 92, but the sales reception to that was really good so of course they have to capitalize on it.
>>82473561
The art in X-men '92 is worlds better than this shit.
>>82472270
holy fuck is this art terrible
>>82473548
Shock value finales are a Thunderbolts tradition. I could have done without the gore though, it would have been just as funny without it.
>>82473595
>Shock value finales are a Thunderbolts tradition.
I hope to hell that you aren't saying this issue is in line with the finale of Thunderbolts #1.
>>82473411
No the 90s was better then this.
>>82473561
>The beginning of the New 52 was linewide 90s
In no way shape or form.
>>82473632
Well we know who these people are now so they couldn't exactly do that.
Think of it more like that time Atlas beat Genis to death.
>>82473720
The art, designs, Wildstorm characters, and cybernetic/monstrous villains of the New 52 were extremely 90s.
>>82472293
So it's basically Thunderbolts vs the NSA
>>82473162
>>82473410
I'd say Songbird's got an interesting and unique role in New Avengers right now and I'd like to see where it goes
But the cast is so bloated and they just keep expanding it, Max Brashear and Toni Ho basically get as much development as most of the team
>>82473764
No the 90s is badly remembered as the designs and such were not all bad designs but where incompetently drawn.
None of the new 62 designs are particularly bad if you not a simplicity fag ass fuck.
>>82472357
>Atlas bonding with Kobik
Nice
>>82472357
You're really overestimating Nick Fury there Buck.
He didn't do shit against Thanos, the Skrulls, Kree, Brood and the countless other aliens that attacked Earth. He's even worse at his job than Abigail Brand.
>>82473293
he just made her into a slut
>>82472219
Now that I think of it, why does Norbert have his Techno appearance? He hasn't looked like that since he came back from the dead the first time.
>>82472388
But Mach-VII (now X after skipping 2 generations) wasn't a criminal, he was a warden
>>82472270
What the fuck? This ISN'T Liefeld? Or parody?
There are actually TWO people who do everything in their power to duck and dodge drawing feet?
Why?! How did the second not learn from the first? I mean in the sense of learning from his mistakes?
Why would you repeat the things not even Rob enjoys being limited by? For what purpose?
>>82473915
But... but he kills demons with a minigun and wears a fishbowl helmet! In space! Nick Fury is the ultimate badass, Marvel's infallible writers told me so in the comic book crossover event of the century.
>>82472413
>Bettle is now blonde with blue eyes
Remember when he had black hair and looked hispanic?
>>82473764
Motherfucker I ain't seen any line wide 90s art at the start of new 52. Designs were samey, coloring was really house style but there was nothing 90s about the art.
>>82472376
the mice peeping under Karla's bathrobe.
>>82474022
I was too distracted by Atlas' barbaric breakfast manners.
Why would anyone in their right mind ever trust Moonstone?
Fixer can be dealt with as long as you prevent him from contacting his husbando Zemo, but Moonstone ALWAYS betrays everyone
it is weird i wanna fuck Kobic??
>>82472596
She's not K_U_bik, she's K_O_bik.
Different cube.
that said, the Bolts don't sound like the character we've known.
Karla trying to get leadership directly? Am I in bizarro world?
>>82474087
Moonstone was reliable with Hawkeye once it became clear that his righteousness left no cracks for her to exploit.
>>82472465
Alright, i like Mach X
>>82473928
That was Bendis. Ellis's Moonstone made a reference to fucking one dock worker and she did it to neg Songbird about Zemo.
>>82472293
that's what you get for your buzzwords Karla
>>82472270
>Bucky's feet
This honestly looks like what would happen if someone asked me to finish a half-drawn picture.
>>82474003
>there was nothing 90s about the art.
Except Jim Lee, Capullo, Rocafort, Liefeld, Brett Booth, Philip Tan, Tony Daniel, Finch...
>>82472309
Can't really argue with Karla's logic
>>82474443
Are we 100% certain that this isn't Liefeld using a pseudonym?
>>82474316
I can buy that Moonstone would know Songbird did that (because they were in each other's minds untangling the broken moonstone), but Norman knowing it made no sense.
at least it wasn't Fraction's bullshit
>>82472270
oh god
>>82472348
Bucky a cute.
That said, I'm not sure the artist has ever seen a child in his life.
>>82474491
Okay who the fuck is this comic's artist
>>82474572
Jon Malin, Liefeld wannabe. Apparently he got his start at the big two drawing the Liefeldian flashback pages of Cable and Deadpool #42.
>>82472376
Is Atlas eating that cereal or bathing in it?
>>82473293
>You know... that Moonstone outfit would look amazing by Ivan Reis.
That costume reminds me of Annie in Titan form.
>>82472270
>Mach X
What the fuck
How many did we skip
>>82472510
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Well that happened.
>>82472400
I like that Bucky still has a problem with cursing. Even in front of kids.
>>82474572
>Jon Malin is a self taught artist who started his comics career in the Indy market starting with Digital Webbing Presents #1 followed by some cover work and various pin-ups in Image Comics. His first high profile break came when he was picked up by Rob Liefeld
That should explain everything wrong with the art
>>82474671
He went from VII in Standoff to X now.
Quite frankly, he should just stop counting and call himself Mach-X (pronounced Ex)
>>82474719
>That should explain everything wrong with the art
It doesn't explain why he is working on this fucking book. The early Tbolts were penciled by Mark Bagley, who, whatever faults he may have, looks nothing like Liefeld.
>>82472413
>Moonstone is already planning how she will betray the team
>>82472465
Mach and Atlas are winning me over.
>>82472270
THE 90'S ARE BACK, BABY!
TIME TO CRACK OPEN A REFRESHING CAN OF SURGE AND BLAST NIRVANA AS LOUD AS YOU CAN!
>>82472451
>Kobik's face in 2nd panel
>>82474806
She's not going to betray the team, she's going to manipulate the underage cosmic cube into some /ll/
>>82472388
Pretty sure having a call get cut off like that would make Steve start a search for Bucky.
>>82472416
That they have to makes this book as 90's as possible.
>>82472585
Fury died at the end of Original Sin and Bucky took his place.
>>82472977
>Kobik's characterization is also off
Her character isn't even 4 months old.
I think we've hit a new speed record with someone acting out of character.
>>82472510
Jesus Christ am I reading Injustice
>>82472270
>Moonstone is back to her second to worst costume
Well can't get it all I suppose, I'm just happy that she is back
>>82474925
That would make far more sense instead of getting in a pissing contest with Bucky in front of the being of near infinite power with the mind of a child.
>>82475016
Injustice had better art, even with the QUALITY.
>>82474797
Marvel giving no fucks.
>Liefeld, Bagley what's the difference it's 90s art isn't it
>>82475016
>Looking for THIS
>>82475022
and now she gone
>>82472376
Why does Karla have a robe? Doesn't she make her clothes or did she lose that power at some point?
>>82472279
Wait the plesant hill arc already happened? When and where
>>82475027
It MIGHT have been a psychological gambit from her part to have Bucky underestimate how much subtle she can be with her manipulations.
I'm guessing she didn't think Kobik would do that, though.
>>82475127
Stand-off was the Pleasant Hill arc.
>>82472270
Why did Fixer grown his hair back and why does Bucky look retarded?
>>82472510
I find it hard to care given that the kid can probably bring her back next issue. But the fact that they did it at all as if it was clever or something isn't a good sign.
Not the best start especially with this shitty art.
>>82475118
Zubb probably doesn't know. He also seems to have forgotten that she can phase and that the TBolts HQ was a mountain long before it was a prison.
>>82475132
It seems insane to me to seem like a bad person who starts a fight in front of the all-powerful child.
>>82472510
Aaaaaaaaand so much about being happy for Karla returning.
>>82472578
>And wasn't Techno lost in time/stuck in that timeloop where he died
Yes but the sooner we forget that happened the better
meh, this is pretty terrible.
karla is completely off, abner is totally absent and the writer forgot that he's been a solid good guy for decades now, fixer is just there as plot device, and what call does a guy with the name of a dog whose shot to fame was being brainwashed and used as a killer to be their leader? Sure is good in a fight and at tracking people, but plan strategies and leading? nah
take off bucky(seriously what a ridiculous name) and give the others the right personality and you could be good to go
>>82475329
It's not like she's staying dead when she's on future covers and they have a reality-warper right there.
>>82475050
Better writing too.
At least they're reprinting the Busiek and Nicieza stuff
>>82472464
parker, and ellis if you want a more cutthroat version of her
>>82474991
Bruh
>>82472270
How did Fixer get out of his stable time loop, anyway? Is this one from another universe?
>>82475340
>but plan strategies and leading?
He was Captain America for a while
>>82475312
You seem to think that Kobik has reach the stage of being able to have critical thought.
She is unable to distinguish good from bad, besides, Karla defined the rule of the game and Kobik just wants to play.
>>82475459
Oh, I guess he didn't die, but Bucky definitely has his job.
>>82475352
Yes but even if she does come back the fact that we start the series by killing her is not a good sign.
>>82475459
That was the stupidest part of that incredibly pointless and stupid event.
>>82472227
>>82472270
Wait, wasn't Fixer stuck permanently in a time loop? He killed his younger self and had to replace him to prevent a paradox destroying the world.
>>82475515
>Yes but the sooner we forget that happened the better
>>82472348
Oh man, they even have their own magic loli.
>>82472492
>>82472483
this is retarded, and this karla is retarded
>>82475551
>>Yes but the sooner we forget that happened the better
Why? That time hopping run was pretty damn fun, with Hyde being a sauve English gentlemen, Ghost being more creepy when he is being helpful, Luke Cage as Judge Dredd, Satana honking both Moonstones moonstones and Namor's Imperius Rex, Boomerang robbing himself blind, Swamp Thing talking swag, and Troll being Troll.
>>82475476
captain america is a solo act.
yes steve rogers is also a agood leader, but he's not him.
And anyway the problem is how easily they're following him.
Even zemo didn't have their full respect, and they followed him because he had those crazy plans that were better than anything they could think of.
clint had to work hard to gain their resepct and a great part of it was due to him being able to keep them out of prison and show them how to be heroes, at the time when they wanted to actually try and be heroes.
why the fuck are they following this guy now?
and don't point to karla acting like the most cliched thug who thinks that the strongest should be the leader, because that's the worst thing of the whole issue
the worst part about the Karla thing is that I had hope for a short moment here >>82472413 before her characterization fell completely apart
>>82474475
>Capullo
Who has evolved far beyond his 90s routes.
>Rocafort
Who has absolutely nothing in common with 90s art beyond the thinness of his females at times.
>Philip Tan
Who was doing a lush inkwash style on Hawkman rhat was nothing even remotely like the 90s.
>>82472465
Mach and Atlas sound like the brains of this operation.
>>82472510
This is retarded, but in all honesty Moonstone is such a cunt that dying in such a stupid way is exactly what she deserves.
meh, they'll bring her back in the next issue.
>>82472543
>smug kobik
>>82475648
You can remember all that, and you should remember all of that. Just forget the Fixer timeparadox part ok?
>>82475888
she's only a cunt when written poorly
>>82472376
Erik is a big guy
That was very not good
>>82475468
>>82475515
Remember that time that the universe blew up and Reed and Doom fight over who was going to rebuild it? I guess Reed didn't know about Fixer being stuck in time.
>>82472270
THE 90s ARE BACK!
FUCK YEAH!
>>82475016
Who gets to do the Butlering?
>>82473988
This artist is very clearly inspired by Liefeld like Sandoval is inspired by Joe Mad. It shouldn't be surprising that there's a generation of artists that look back on the 90s fondly. I certainly do.
>>82474884
Thanks for reminding me that I actually have a can of surge in my fridge right now. I'm going to go grab it before reading anymore.
The 90s were a glorious era.
>>82475816
I love Atlas, but he should never, ever be written as the brains of an operation--he's the follower who, if swayed by the right leader, will be the backbone of the team.
>>82472464
If you accept the "too much of a sociopath to be a hero, but too intelligent to be a supervillain" interpretation, Parker does a good job.
>>82476261
For some warped reason I like Liefeld's style, I'm just baffled someone else mimicking it wouldn't think to improve on certain shortcomings.
These disappearing captchas can also go to hell.
>>82472611
>Abe was completely reformed
Blame Bendis for fucking that up.
>>82475459
Yeah, but nobody knows that. Everyone thought he died, but it just turned out that the Watchers turned him into some kinda immortal invisible prisoner or something.
>>82473997
Man, OS wasn't even the best event that YEAR.
>>82476428
What did he do with him?
>>82476393
>but too intelligent to be a supervillain
As a supervillian I take offence to that
>>82476519
too pragmatic if you will
>>82473999
Remember before that, when he was a white brunette? I don't think anybody there knows what he looks like anymore.
>>82474969
First smart thing Marvel has done all year.
>>82476600
Remember when Fixer accidentally made him black?
>>82472703
To be fair, that's a pretty Thunderbolts thing.
>>82476393
it was quite correct, too.
Mostly, she needs a moral compass. She mellowed out a lot from the early T-Bolts days.
>>82472585
Nobody knows that, Anon.
>>82476622
Accidentally should be in quotes.
>>82473999
that was because fixer ha changed his face so that he won't be recognized.
he's changed back.
but yeah, he should have brown hair
>>82476496
Turned him back into a villain for that Revengers arc of his.
>>82476708
she's mostly amoral. If she's with good people she'll enjoy being good and doing good actions, as long as she also gets some recognition and respect. If she hangs with bad people she can be a total monster. She doesn't have any interest in harming or hurting people, although she doesn't have any compuntion against it.
but that's not what's wrong here. however you place her on a moral scale, one thing that's been consistend in all the thunderbolts runs is that she prefer working with her mind than with her muscles. She manipulates people, not fights them unless she has no other choice.
how the fuck do you fail that bad?
Not even bendis got that wrong. Sure he made her manipulate people by having sex with them and act like a bratty teenager, but at least he still recognized that she manipulates people.
>>82476496
Remember the time Wonder Man went insane and got a bunch of people to attack the Avengers because they're the cause of Marvel's recent events?
Abe was one of the people he recruited.
>>82476949
She does have a mean streak, though, and sometimes she just likes to dirty her hands as cathartic...
but unless it's a specific psychological gambit she's playing on Bucky because it can only work that way, I do agree it's bullshit.
She never wanted leadership.
>>82476964
no, that was Eric, not Abe.
>>82472376
There is so much in this page I love
>Webs Cereal
>the mice peeping up Karla's robe
>Beef and Cheese cake in the same panel
>Kobik and Atlas bonding
>>82476519
Fuck, no matter how many times I've seen this panel, it still makes me laugh.
Okay, this makes currently two teams with cosmic-level powered little girls on the roster.
Any more allmighty infants I should know about?
>>82477297
Franklin Richards, but he's outside the omniverse right now.
>>82472270
>Jon Malin
so the guy does draw like Liefeld, flaws and all
i thought he only did that for the Youngblood reboot
>>82477297
what's the other team?
>>82472219
You jinxed it, you faggot.
>>82477638
A-Force, featuring Singularity.
>>82476964
No. I'm relatively new to comics, and even I know not to read anything by Bendis aside from DD and USM. I've heard nothing good about the Revengers arc, but I didn't know Abe was involved.
>>82477139
Uh...?
>>82477638
A Force
>>82472510
RIP Karla
Jesus, the art is terible, in a I-can't-believe-it's-not-Liefeld kinda way. Is this supposed to be a parody?
>>82472483
their faces are so close...
>>82476666
"Oh shit, they are the Masters of Evil" is leagues above "shocking death of a character with a handy reality warper present nearby", anon.
>>82477771
>even I know not to read anything by Bendis aside from DD and USM
Alias, Dark Avengers, Powers and the first few arcs of New Avengers ain't bad.
>>82477999
I think the shocking thing here is more "shit, this kid just goes around killing people like nobody's business", which is frightening, irrespective of whether she can fix them afterwards.
>>82472510
Everyone complaining aboit Karla getting wacked, no one sees her in >>82472524 she's going to be just fine, Bucky will give Kobik a stern talking to and she'll fix Karla. Easy peasy. Don't let your Jimmies get rustled so easily /co/
Wrong artist if they're trying to appeal to Sebastian Stan fangirls
>>82478076
Dark Avengers is booooooring
>>82477999
Well yeah, I'm not saying this particular last page twist is competently done.
>>82478171
They're clearly trying to appeal to 90s nostalgiafags.It's working
>>82478079
Still not particularly shocking, I've seen "It's a good life"
>>82477297
Do you have something against cosmic level powered little girls?
>>82477488
Franklin Richards is a little girl?
>>82478484
>Franklin Richards is a little girl?
no, but he's a cosmically powered infant.
>>82478484
Yeah, he's a tranny now.
>>82472270
This art is actually fine and not terrible at all.
>>82478537
Are you from Bizarro World?
>>82473293
Ellis did not write a good Moonstone at all. Parker did okay.
>>82476261
>Sandoval
Who?
>>82478607
That shitty artist from Gay Avengers.
>>82472357
This is so 90s and I unironically love it, perhaps because I can't help but perceive it as an attempt to signal a return to classic 'Bolts.
>>82473162
>>82473820
Well some people haven''t seen the new developments. >>82470691
>>82478559
You're from hyperbole and mindless sheep world though
>>82472510
I had so much hope until these final two pages.
>>82478559
Nope! What do you see as the reasons the art is bad?
>>82478578
Ellis Moonstone was fine. Your waifu a monster when she's given a long leash.
>>82478816
The Liefeld channeling, mostly. The 90s were a plague and should stay dead.
>>82478832
Ellis Moonstone was not sleeping-with-Bullseye bad but she was still pretty bad. Ellis tends to abbreviate his female characters though so it didn't surprise me that she was one or two-note for the whole thing.
>>82472309
Okay no one seems to have brought it up so I guess I'll have to.
Something's bothering me. Bucky goes down Karla's neck for what he assumes is a lethal takedown, I guess it's mostly to establish tension between them and her being a Maverick and all that, except Atlas is earlier illustrated in what looks like a scene of him smashing someone in half against a wall and another guy into the ground. Coupled with the fact Bucky STARTS the engagement letting off pointblank full auto rounds into a guy's face.
Not his limbs or torso HIS FACE.
Now they could be rubber bullets and that could be a relatively bullet resistance helmet but the fact remains he is DISCHARGING THEM AT A HIGH RATE OF FIRE REPEATEDLY INTO HIS SKULL. It looks like he took over a dozen directly to the forehead, he should not even be standing upright from that kind of trauma.
>>82478865
Okay. That's not actually an argument. Hating Liefeld is a meme but saying "it's like Liefeld" is not elaborating on what you think is bad about the art. This isn't to say I'm a Liefeld fan, exactly, but he made artistic contributions to the medium which are too easily discarded.
>>82478903
>Now they could be rubber bullets and that could be a relatively bullet resistance helmet but the fact remains he is DISCHARGING THEM AT A HIGH RATE OF FIRE REPEATEDLY INTO HIS SKULL. It looks like he took over a dozen directly to the forehead, he should not even be standing upright from that kind of trauma
The dudes in a bullet proof power armor suit. SHIELD dudes in this armor have shown up in Marvel comics since forever. Bucky would obviously be familiar with this gear.
>>82478903
The man in the robot suit has 50 HP.
Bucky's gun does 1d10+39 Damage.
Thus, the gun is Non-Lethal.
>>82478954
"I hate Liefeld's art and this is trying to emulate it" is argument enough for me.
>>82479046
Fair enough. But why question opinions if you're not prepared to debate the content of them?
>>82479013
That's well over his CON score and should trigger the chunky salsa rule.
>>82472510
Why haven't Kubik or the Shaper of worlds taken this kid to teach her how to properly handle her powers?
>>82478737
Cool meme.
>>82479089
Superhero games OBVIOUSLY do not use that rule.
>>82479100
The Shaper of Worlds was killed by Glorian.
>>82478892
She didn't do anything objectionable, considering she just came out of a coma that was induced because she had a meltdown and attacked both the Avengers and the Thunderbolts, using enough force to remelt Zemo's face.
>>82479142
And Kubik is MIA, which might be tied to Kosmos being in a mortal body and crazy in Thanos
>>82479146
You know what, yeah, you're right, there is a ton of justified reasoning to throw on why that was a particularly low point for Karla. But she kept that characterization for all of Ellis' run and all of Bendis' Dark Avengers without any of the levity or nicer moments she had in the Thunderbolts proper under Busiek and FabNic. It took Parker to shake her up again. That left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth, because the other characters in that run weren't treated like that - except like, Venom?
>>82479200
What about the Beyonder? Wasn't he/she a living Cosmic Cube too?
>>82479226
That's because there were no characters like Jolt or Hawkeye to make her happy. Songbird friendship's not happening.
