What's the worst thing you can say about Zootopia?
For me, it was how mediocre "Try Everything" was and how there was no alternate song. Gazelle seemed like a one hit wonder in her world.
Ending was too rushed, Bellwether calling in ZPD as soon as she shot Nick was dumb, and was only to end the movie.
>>80812279
>tfw even if the end was rushed, you still think Zootopia is the best movie of all timePlease tell me I'm not a fanboy...
>>80812408
I wouldn't say best movie, but I'm strongly tempted to say best Disney movie of the new millennium
It wasn'tdone in 2D
>>80812238
>too many cliches
>lame villain twist a-la Hans and Turbo
>bad pacing of the second half of the film
>failed attempt to make a tragic background for Nick (IMO)
I enjoyed Zootopia, but it will be hated and forgotten by /co/ just like Frozen is right now, like it or not.
>>80812528
I don't want to believe it...
>>80812528
Except Bellwether had much better motivation than Hans. The only thing Bellwether needed was more menace.And she's cuter
Fathauser.
Not enough good species, too many shitty hoof species.
Not enough Finnick.
Dance party ending.
>>80812581
Goddamn that face, it's exactly the same face I've seen in a few adult Thai periodicals.
smoochings hard on a muzzle.
>>80812238
>Gazelle seemed like a one hit wonder in her world.
MAN, I WONDER WHY
>>80812820
>>80812837
The sex scene felt rushed.Real talk, I second not enough Finnick. I would even ask for a Finnick movie or book spin-off.
>>80812238
Bellwether was underdeveloped as a villain
Nick was underdeveloped as a protagonist
The Nighthowler plot was weird and kinda flimsy in how it all tied together
Finnick didn't get enough play in the story
Gazelle was shoehorned into everything and was more of a set piece than a character
>>80812238
I hated how the DMV scene existed only to eat up a ridiculous chunk of Judy's time and keep the pacing frantic
Speaking of which, did Judy and Nick really stay up for two-ish days straight?
Can I get a reverse Island of Dr. Moreau where instead of turning them into animals he turns them all into one identical apex species? Is Val Kilmer dead yet?
>>80812238
They got Shakira to voice Gazelle instead of Adele or Estelle.
>>80812238
I think they should have shown the predator fear getting so bad that Zootopia actually implemented or was about to implement the shock collars. That idea was sorta wasted
>>80812987
I actually believe so.
>>80813025
I would love to see Bellwether turning into alioness
I wonder if she'd hate it, or go mad with power.
i love nick
hes super cute
Okay but what if this was hand animated? Everything is exactly the same, they just did classic hand drawn cel animation for it all.
The ice/tundra neighborhood was right next to the desert neighborhood. Basic laws of thermodynamics means that those really shouldn't be next to each other because they'd give huge wastage trying to compensate for the desert heat transfering to the ice neighborhood. At the very least, ice should be melted near that wall.
>>80812279
>>80812812WHERE ARE MY GODDAMN LEMONS, BELLWETHER?!
>>80813116
Only if it looks as good as Redline
>>80812581
My point is that a "that guy was actually behind all the evil all along" trope is lazy as shit and I hope Disney writers don't utilize it in the future.but they will
>>80813116
Wait for the TV series I guess?
Now I can't help but wonder if there were Neanderthanimals who got outpaced by Homo Animalus
>>80812238
I actually really like "Try Everything" more now that I've seen the movie. It puts me in this "I'm going to Zootopia!" feeling, and it brings me a little hint of happiness...
>>80812528
Zootopia didn't exactly do anything outstandingly new or original, in terms of all of the tropes and cliches. It just did them well.
I think it may be benefiting from theFIM Effectin that the commercials make it seem like "LOL WACKY CRAZY ANIMAL WORLD!!" but the actual movie is so much better than that, so it seems really good in comparison to your expectations.
Is this movie worth it? I haven't watched it yet.
>>80813160
>>80813116
Apart from it most likely flopping? Not much. It would just be more of a cult film than a huge blockbuster. It would just give Disney another reason to say "this is why we don't do 2D".
>>80813239
Yes. God yes. I've seen it 3 times now.
>>80813239
very
>>80812913
ay thats actually pretty funny
why is japan getting all the cool shit?
>>80813109
He makes a great sunglasses cop.
>>80813239
YES! I'm going to watch it a third time tomorrow. This time with the english audio.
BUT WHAT IF...
>200+ fanart images saved
i've lost control of my life
>>80813270
How much does it cost to get a van painted by a professional? Finnick's van has inspired me to get my own shaggin-wagon.
>>80813239
Go see it, you will never regret it!
Especially if you like movies as Ernest & Celestine.
>>80813270
Because there's a larger market for figurines and statuettes in japan, compared to america where toys are mostly seen as young childrens' playthings.
>>80813270
>those plushies
I WANT THEM
>>80813228
This. I gave that show you mentioned a shot because of the creator behind it. I love her works and I'll give anything she does a genuine, honest, chance. Glad I did because it's cute and, for what it is, well done in my opinion.
I thought Zootopia might be cute and have a few enjoyable moments, but I was wrong. It was cute and enjoyable the entire time. The story was more mature than I expected which it didn't have to be yet feel it benefited a lot for it.
I don't think it'll be forgotten or brushed aside so easy. In of itself it's just a great movie with some really good story elements. People loved the shit out of Frozen and while I liked it I did most certainly hate things like the trolls and the snowman. Zootopia had none of that shit. Not a single thing in the film felt like it didn't belong.
>>80813309
>only 200+
I have that many in just my "couples" folder.
>>80813239
See it in RealD 3D if you can; I've seen it in RealD and IMAX, and RealD was much better.
>>80813239
Yes, the worst part of this movie is that it ends, it leaves you empty inside and willing for more, some concepts of the old draft were better anyway and I do agree that Nick was underdevoloped
i want these
I DEMAND THEM.
>>80813240
>Potatowether
>>80813303
I would be OK with this. More than ok, actually. I fucking love it when cliches are reversed.
>>80813309
I'm at 356. I feel like I am on top of the world.tfw I feel like I could take on the whole empire myself
>>80812449
>but I'm strongly tempted to say best Disney movie of the new millennium
Wreck it Ralph exists so no
>>80813378
I'm at 800 right now. Get on my level.
>>80813393
>>80812987
I think that they slept after the wedding scene.
and last but not least
though i dont remeber this car in the movie
>>80813393
>>80813423
fucking adorable
>>80813354
This image REEKS of SSSonic2.
>>80813423
Shit, cuteness overload
>>80813421
Teach me your ways senpai
>>80813423I will never experience this
>>80812238
I was thinking way too much about how many laws and procedures Judy broke despite being a cop.
>>80812238
I really want them to stop the "villain plot-twist" at the end. It was great when King Candy/Turbo did it because he had the menace and threat to back it up. But now its becoming predictable (like Yokai in Big Hero 6) or just out of left field (Hans from Frozen).
>>80813460
Because that's who drew it.
>>80813487
Just like real cops!
>>80813031
For fuck's sake. Its so obvious.
>>80813499And it got deleted the last time it was posted
>>80812624
But rabbits do have large hind legs.
>>80813500
I would love a scene that's like the end of Hot Fuzz where they have to fill out a fuckton of paperwork to explain all the shit they did.
>>80813031
To be fair what animal puns could they make out of Shakira?
>>80813109
Lets be real here, how crooked of a cop is Nick going to be?
>implying he wouldn't plant evidence to make himself and Judy look better than everyone else
>>80813502
check out this cute bunny, our new ZPD mascott, move along, Clawhauser!
>>80812238
I'm not gonna say that the villain should have had more screen time (since the movie almost %100 follows Judy (Which I like)), but I think some more context clues should have been sprinkled about.
>>80812812
I haven't seen the movie, why is the sheep a villain?
how do i draw nick
We need more non-shipping fanart
>>80813499
Worse than Slugbox. At least Slugshit has some shiny colors trying to fool you into thinking they're a good artist.
>>80813495
I'm sure they will probably have a more standard villain in the next movie.
If they don't it'll be a serious waste.
>>80813543
Would they take this direction with the sequel? Nick fucks up or gets framed and skips town or something then Judy has to find him and clear his name.
>>80813109
hope you dont want to put his feet in your mouth.
fangirls are weird.
>>80813556
Watch the movie.
More HD webms for your viewing pleasure
>>80812624
>Judy before and after she gets put on security guard duty
>>80812238
I thought it was an okay movie, I thought it would be more exciting but it wasn't. 7.5-8/10 out of me.
Also, the ending(or climax) felt rushed to me. Not only that but I saw from a mile away that the blueberries and the Nighthowler serum were gonna be switched.
>>80813561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqRbtzTEVoI
This actually inspired me to start drawing for the first time in my life.
>>80813590
it's a kid's movie, duh.
they had to make it obvious so kids would follow.
>>80812408
>best movie of all time
You're fanboying hard.
>>80813578
i do
and im a guy
>>80813576
Well since the villain is going to be singing a song in Moana judging by the twitter post. I'm hoping he/she be a good one harbouring to villains like Ursula, Jafar and Gaston.
>>80813556
Racism.
The gazelle being named Gazelle not being named Giselle or fucking Mary at least or something. No one else is named by their species. It's like Shakira being named Colombia irl. It was really weird.
>>80813582
>sahara is hot as hell, so the most fun is during night.
so why heat this sand anyway?
>>80813602
Byron Howard is so moe.
I want to tuck him into bed and read him Frog and Toad.
>>80813569
who drew this pic?
>>80812408
Taste of course is subjective, but I can easily see this movie as "Best Animated Movie of all Time" to a lot of people. I'll call you a fanboy when an objectively mediocre TV show is made and you love it.
They used the 'animals using modern technology' bit too much. Pretty much every scene had a character holding a smartphone or tablet. It's the same with BoJack Horseman but that show is aimed at adults so it's more acceptable.
>>80812408
"Best movie of all time" is pushing it a lot.
"Best Disney movie in the past 10 years" is more reasonable.
>>80813649
I love how sincere he seems to be, like he really loves his job.
His voice is also pretty decent ASMR.
>>80813647this gave me a semi
>>80813666
Signature says Frunorth. I don't know the actual source, Mr Sheep Satan.
>>80813543
>Carrots, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by predators. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Hopps? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Clawhauser and you curse the mayor. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Clawhauser's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to prey that rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up your badge, and work a hustle. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
>>80813303
>Nick is constantly teased because he's a by-the-book uptight professional and has none of the savvy and slickness that his species is supposed to have
>Judy gets away with murder and is out the door before you realize you got conned by a bunny
>>80813582
>Train around town and not just straight to the center of town
>>80812238
found it op
A bouncing biting bushel of funnies.
>>80813458
isn't that the one that nearly drove over nick when judy first sees him?
>>80813787
Not gonna lie, those look like freaks of nature that need to be put down for their own good
They should probably adopt
>>80813725
useful, thank you.
but how to draw finnick?
>>80813647
wait did night howler change eye color? I don't quite remember
>>80813590
And they seemed to really drag that explanation out, too. All we needed was a quick shot of Bellweather opening up the gun to see blueberries and then look back at Nick holding the pellet while Judy grins and says "It's called a hustle, sweetheart." A couple of seconds, ten at tops.
It was just alright. It followed tropes well but did most of them adequately.
Zooptopia just seems like a regular decent movie.
How long are these threads going to last?
>>80813840
No, it just makes their eyes sorta glow
>>80813840
Yes
>>80813787
>Funnies
>Not Boxes.
>>80813472
that fox
>>80813848
>How long are these threads going to last?Until the mods decide to ban Zootopia discussion because of irrational fears of it turning into /frz/
>>80813848
Until the second one comes out
>>80813630
Cutest villain ever if you ask me.
>>80813888
>irrational fears
it's a very rational fear
>>80813840
Based loosely on my memory it made the pupils extremely dilated and made the iris black as well.
>>80813644
sahara confirmed red light district of zootopia
>>80813861
THANKS, FOXY MOMMA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGrPIH-nGPw
>>80813472
lordy
>>80813848
Don't worry, /co/ and /tv/ will be /bvs/ soon enough.
>>80813888
My guess is something on the order of 50-100 generals, especially if they're within a month or two.
>>80813904
Need more Fox Nurse
>>80813897
Automatically assuming that every single new popular thing is going to become a cancerous general on the level of /frz/ is very irrational.
THERE'S SUCH A THING AS TOO MANY POINTS IN AGILITY
Drive By Nuzzlings.
>>80813354
See you in three days.
>>80813904
>>80813899
More like confirmed for being Vegas
>>80813421
>800
Plebiscite, I'm at 1247 plus when the blue ray releases I'll have another 4000 Screencaps for every frame Judy appears
Stay up your game
>>80814020
>>80813954
It's features a style of cartoon that is barely tolerated on /co/, especially with how fan artists use it, is a disney movie, and already has several calls for fanfictions from the threads. It's gotten to this point faster than the frozen generals did. Stamping out anything that looks like a general is a good thing in my book.
>>80814020
Thats, uh, actually a little creepy
Kinda uncanny valley
>>80814034
>>80814038
>several calls for fanfictions
Lists of authors and artists have already been made, so it's even worse than that.
>>80814005
Is there a collage like this with Nick
nohomo
>>80814020
I'dsteal her shirt.
>>80814005
>I'll have another 4000 Screencaps for every frame Judy appears
Gotta steel myself for this one.
>>80813954
/frz/ was overloaded with incest lesbian art and fics that it broke /co/'s mind. Zootopia threads are about discussing the movie and filled with cute Judy X Nick art and fics, also a surprising lack of porn.
>>80814088
I got youno homo tho
>>80812238
I feel like it couldn't really figure out what it was supposed to be about. It really didn't break from the western animation trope of needing to teach a lesson but it had like 3-4 lessons and I'm not really sure what the take-away was supposed to be by the end. Don't stereotype? Follow your dreams? Equality means equality for everyone?
>>80813681
I do like that they were using touch pads instead of mice. You know, for obvious reasons.
>>80814129
a little homo tho
>>80814117
The same was true of /frz/ at the beginning, that it was all about movie discussion and art and fics. You're comparing the ending of a general's time here to the beginning of one and assuming that the latter will stay just as relevant and useful.
>>80813543
>Nick goes full Training Day after parting ways with Judy
>>80813483
>All we've got is a webm of Nick when he took off his collar
>>80814157
and now I'm frightened.
I think Idris did a good job as the police chief.
>>80813239
Well, I want to see it for a third timeeven dubbed. So that should tell you something
>>80814168
Here's hoping the bluray features bonus content about the scraped original script/animation
>>80814134
"Anyone can be anything" means people besides you. It's nice to see it as an uplifting message but it's not necessarily personal, and if you're like Judy who thinks that she gets to break social barriers but predators can't then you're being an unfair hypocrite.
Follow your dreams, yeah, but that's kind of a given.
>>80813239
I'm really considering heading to the movies instead of waiting for a torrent at this point.
I remember how bummed /co/ was when we found out that focus was taken from Nick to Judy in the rewrites. I'm still of that sentiment. With what had since been revealed about the older drafts, the Zootopia we got was pretty cheap and vanilla.
The older one seemed to have more of a realistic approach to social issues regarding anthropomorphic animals living together. Predators would have shock collars and there was more focus on the divided environments. It would've been neat to see a struggle of the animals *obtain* a peaceful status quo rather than *maintain*.
The Zootopia we actually got felt more like a sequel. The remnants of that initial draft was only in the third act with Nick and Judy's conflict after the press conference, so no wonder it felt like a cheap tack-on.
But we still got something OK, I guess.
>>80813888
You want to tell the newfags what /frz/ is? Was it that short-lived furry board?
>>80814210
I learned to follow my dreams and fuck a fox
>>80814134
Why not all of those? There was enough in the movie to communicate all of them them. They don't have to pick only one to nail home super hard.
>>80814238
If I'm not mistaken it was the Frozen general
>>80814157
Frozen was also in theaters for like 8 months
Zootopia has been out for less than one month and almost certainly wont stay out that long
>>80814234
If they adapted the original version into a book, would you read it?
Gazelle in general seemed forced, like they really wanted to have her in there for some reason.
>>80814226
Do it! Help it beat Minions.
>>80812238
I cringed when Gazelle showed up as a good-guy activist and even made a whole speech about it that helped Judy realize shit
In the theater i went like "thank God Shakira's here to save the day!"
I didn't mind the song, but it was weird to me to give any sort of further relevance to the glorified celebrity cameo
Other than that i think shit went too fast after the revelation of the villain, but that one is understandable considering the movie's pretty long for an animated Disney feature
>>80814129
This goes straight into my reference folder. Thanks,__bro!
>>80814262
I didn't knew mods made assumptions.
>Shakira had no reason to exist in the movie
>The whole third act is meh
From the blueberries to Bellwether twist everything once Nick leaves feels rushed. Only thing enjoyed after that was the train scene with the Breaking Baaaaaad sheep.
>>80814238
/frz/ was the Frozen General.
At the start they discussed the movie, talking about things that happened in it, compared it to the older ideas of the movie, discusssed the character development and so on.
Then about two months after it came out it was all about lesbians and r9k posters wishing a character that had five minutes of screen time was real. And then it continued on four six more months.
>>80814278
Hell yeah
>>80814278
Not that anon, but yes. It might do better as a book because then it wouldn't need to conform to modern Disney's style that involves touching on serious issues but not fully exploring them out of fear of alienating children and families.
>>80814210
That's actually a very neutral message. Anyone can be a monster. Anyone can be a hero. It's almost a non-statement but it speaks to the chaos of our "messy" world.
>>80814210
Yeah that's true. That kind covers everything.
>>80814234
I'd say the opposite of pretty much all of that. Shock collars wouldn't really be realistic because that's not even close to how prejudice is today.
Prejudice is really undertone and subtle today, and very few people are blunt about it.
It's not about them being animals that makes them prejudice, it's mainly about how they used to be.
>>80814313
>wishing a character that had five minutes of screen time
Which character was this?
I can't think of any character in the movie that was only onscreen for five minutes besides the background servants or the snow golem.
>>80813888
>irrational
Look at the archives and look at the catalog. /zt/ is already at the foundation of /frz/. If these threads keep following a consistent rate by the end of this month, then something will need to be done.
>>80814234
>edgy=/=realisitc
>>80813666
Trunorth on FA
He's a fantastic artist
>>80814317
why is she asian?
>>80814278
I'd like a graphic novel instead.
>>80814371
It's hardly edgy to look for reasons that predators would be able to tamp down their predatory instincts. The movie entirely glossed over how predators and prey came to actually coexist beyond "well we decided to be friends!" while shock collars would provide a real means of keeping violence in check.
>>80814359
This is nice art and all.. but it just doesn't work. Like, it REALLY doesn't work
How'd you think will the UK version sound like?
>>80814366
>giving it a name
That's step #7 on the way to generals.
>>80814362
Elsa. of the four main characters she has the least screen times, the fewest lines. Yet she is easily the most popular character.
>>80814383
The real question is why is she human skinfags get out
>>80814422
It's because Nick doesn't have enough feminine features
>>80814433
>Clawhauser calls Judy cute
>"u wot m8"
>>80814291
Planet Earth, I'll never forgive you.
>>80814410
I wish I could read moon
>>80814433
>How did you think will the
Probably the same
>>80814442
Oh, you were being sarcastic. I thought you meant someone with actually less than five minutes of screentime, not someone who has the most popular song in the movie.
>>80814412
What, do you want them to write goddamn LotR book on the lore?
See >>80814355 Sometimes less is more
>>80814317
I'd love to know how to color like that. Are there any good tutorials for such coloring style?
>>80814466
Maybe that's fucking subjective as fuck, but why bad movies get more success in the Box Office than good movies?
>>80814500
No, but in a universe where they show us that animals used to be just like they are in the real world, it helps to understand how they got from animal-like to sapient.
If they'd gotten rid of that school play at the beginning and just established that there are prejudices that exist concerning predator and prey relations then you wouldn't need an explanation.
>>80814522
I think it's a mix of advertisement and people that don't look into things before they see a movie.
>>80814553
I wouldn't consider the play as an explanation, but more an introduction.
>>80812797
This reminds me of the episode of Kung Fu Panda where Song tried to seduce Po and attempts to do the Lady and the Tramp trick using a bowl of noodles. Her whole head ends up in Po's mouth.
WHY CANT I STOP SAVING SHIT FROM THESE THREADS I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE FUCKING MOVIE YET!!!!
>>80814602
It introduced the issue and then completely glossed over it. That's what made it annoying instead of interesting. If you're not going to adequately explain something then just assume its presence.
>>80814522
There is a type of inhuman beast who lurks inside of the media called a "marketing exec", and as evil as they are they can be really good at their job. And sometimes their job is to push a movie. Most of the time that movie is bad.
At least Zootopia is a definite success. Less-successful movies from disney have had sequels and series.
>>80814553
You don't need to know the entire history of the planet when it's not the point of the movie
The play was just a nice little piece of background lore, and that's it.
>>80814522
Zootopia will beat minions by a landslide, just wait it gets in the uk and JAPAN...
>>80814632
based frogposter
>>80814632
So...go see it...?
>>80814355
But prejudice amongst various subspecies is not the same as prejudice amongst predators and prey.
Movies like The Fox and the Hound and The Land Before Time understood this. If you're going to make a movie about natural life struggles involving cartoon animals, you should at least put the associated characters on the same levels of the food chain.
And movies like Robin Hood, Kung Fu Panda, Jungle Book, and The Lion King got away with it because their focuses were on other subjects. However, in Zootopia's case, when your message of social acceptance is made through a natural circle of life that the world strives on, then your message falls flat.
Why is Judy so much easier to draw then Nick?
>>80814672
because you're drawing Nick wrong.
>>80814522
Minions had very little dialogue so kids and non-English speakers could grasp it easily.And Asia likes movies where everyone looks the same.
anyone else sexually confused about the tigers?
why is nicks dick red
>>80814234
I really would like to see the original concept in all of its entirety. I think it would of have been a very powerful film.
>>80814632
WATCH.
IT.
We must kill the minions!
>>80812279
Yes
If they had shortened some of the gags like the DMV scene, you could've had a much more interesting ending sequence
>>80814658
It should have been skipped because it raised the question of "how?" and went "because, that's why!" which made it stupid instead of fun.
If something isn't going to be explained then leave it out.
>>80814683
Confused? No.
I know exactly what I want to do with them sexually.
>>80814683
What do you mean anon
>>80814672
Nice Gideon! But you forgout his toupet and your name.
>>80814691
Just watch Casablanca, and pretend they're foxes and bunnies.
>>80814723
webms or get out
>>80814683
Im straight but no homo i want to get fucked by them
>>80814672
Because if you're not good as visualizing things in 3D then you're going to have a hard time getting his snout right. Judy's face doesn't protrude as much so you can mess it up more and it'll usually still look okay. Construction is hard.
>>80814723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE
>>80814683
I'm a faggot if I like to think that behind that image of fucktoys for Gazelle, the Tigers are actually her friends and they like to dance for her because they can now be themselves without having the predator's stereotype shitting on their life?
>>80814701
To you and your autism maybe. It doesn't matter how they got smart, it could've been aliens for we know.
All that matters is they are and this is what they're doing right now.
