So basically Miura's having a midlife crisis, right? It seems pretty clear the he's regretting all the edgy rape and gore he started out with and wants a do-over, but isn't confident enough to abandon his golden goose. The constant hiatuses and trend towards cutesier chapters give the impression that his heart hasn't been in it for a long time, he keeps trying to focus on things like wacky pirates or witches instead.
>>143263859
I don't think so. Things will get dark again once the focus returns to Griffith.Besides, if a writer keeps increasing the edge and gore,eventually the series will become a joke.
ever since the chapter where the party got their special items berserk has been pretty much Lord of the Rings. It all went downhill from there. This shit is irredeemable and i weep for the once great series.
>>143263859
He just wants to play his idol games
>>143264513
I disagree. Everything about Griffith is still gold.
>>143263859
The biggest problem now is why he switched to digital, he was mastering traditional art
the edginess will return in a few chapters, i guess that a grown up rickert and kushan assassins will come to skellig island and guts will lead an army of elfs, witches and kushans against griffiths empire.
the last few arcs were mostly just a build up for that, and hell even the golden age arc was mostly a not so egy/grimdark build up for the eclipse.
>>143264796
>wrong eye color
He doesn't care anymore.
>>143264796
I'm pretty sure thats not the style the new chapters are going to be in, he was just trying his hand at a different field.
Berserk is shit as soon as we get the JRPG party.
I missed when he was in a competent group like Band of Hawks.
>>143264864
That's not the first time, he made digital colored art for the cover of Gigantomakia (less shitty though)
So he basically hasn't made any traditional colored art since 2013
Berserk before moeshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3cXcS49D64
Berserk after moeshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MIAW2vYhc
>>143263985
>>143264833
You guys have been saying this ever since they got off the boat, it's not gonna happen. Guts will defeat Griffith with the power of friendship and Casca will get un-veggied and live happily ever after.
>>143265267
>ever since they got off the boat
It hasn't exactly been that long in terms of chapters.
>>143265267
>You guys have been saying this ever since they got off the boat
That was 3 chapters ago
>>143263859
wtf are you guys talking about? miura was on hiatus because he was supervising the berserk 2016 anime
>>143265858
you are retarded if you genuinely believe that
I haven't kept up since the mermaid arc. Has anyone even gotten raped since the troll arc? What's happening to my Berserk?
>>143263859
Fear not, anon. Once we go back to Griffith, and we'll finally see all those fool humans getting raped to death (literally) by apostles, we'll see the old Miura we all know and love once again. Oh, I really want to see the humans of Falconia getting their shit done in for that "fighting along with monsters" bullshit.
>>143266013
It is Moeserk now.
What if the cute witch girls is just a ruse to get the readers to grow attached to them only to brutally kill them off later?
>>143263859
Why is this faggot always winking?
>>143266820
He's a very jovial and flirtatious man
>>143266013
>What's happening to my Berserk?
We Little Witch Academia now
Other than Conviction (best arc) there hasn't been any non-stop edginess since before the Golden Age. And after Conviction it was a long while till we got back some rape and then Troll Cave happened.
Fucking pathetic all the newfriends who seem to expect graphic rape every chapter. I swear some fags talk about Berserk like it's never had worlbuilding chapters in between macabre shit
>>143266526
I'm not too sure about that. Schierke has been in the manga since 2001, and nothing has happened to her yet
>>143264796
MIURRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>143264513
So how do you expect
Is comic relief still comic relief if there's nothing to comically give relief from?
>>143263859
I'm sick of this argument coming up, read his old and current interviews, look at what he cites as his inspiration, look at his older work, he's always been into Moe shit.
Fucking hell Puck has been there since the beginning, he's always been the cutesy comic relief to counterbalance the bleak world of Berserk. The trip to Elfhelm was foreshadowed since 2000, Miura's been planning the trip to Pucks homeland for years, he didn't just make it up out of the blue because he's tired of blood and gore.
The next several chapters are probably going to be about expanding on the Berserk universe, and healing Cascas mind, don't expect the return of Rape Horse any time soon.
>>143267087
I expect Griffith to be on his way there.
>>143264513
How will he fight through the main apostles and Griffith without the armour?
>>143267087
Puck wasn't all moe and silly back then.
Don't get me wrong I like the current puck but he's fundamentally different and if you don't realise that you're retarded/delusional.
>>143266184
Fucking this. I especially want to see that annoying loli-clairvoyant autist getting raped to death and beyond, despairing her life choices once she realizes the true nature of those monsters.
>>143265000
no
>>143267225
I don't think that'll happen. I can't see the apostles harm her.
>>143267249
>>143267213
What the fuck did he do to puck?
We must ask the man with the death note to give some tips to him.
He is the true master of killing and rape.
>>143267212
One of his first panels. He's always been silly.
>>143267432
This isn't moeblob, this is someone talking shit when they are in danger.
Like a puppy barking really loud.
>>143267339
not really feeling the new cover designs either desu
>>143266884
Alot of people were attracted to Berserk because of the edge but ignore all the other aspects of the story.
For the cycle that Schierke's teacher and the Skull Knight talked about to be completed, Falconia as a whole and all of Guts' friends have to be killed.
This is just a rest before that.
>>143267432
You mean his Chesnut form? he didn't have that until the lost children arc I think.
>>143267513
he looks like a bimbo
>>143267669
>>143267669
REEEEEEEEEE
>>143267669
he's becoming generic desu
>>143264513
>ever since the chapter where the party got their special items berserk has been pretty much Lord of the Rings. It all went downhill from there.
Berserk began to go downhill after Chapter 118.
EVERYTHING from Chapter 126 - Chapter 307 was just "Griffith comes back and gets everything he ever wanted". Was this really needed? Hell no. Griffith should have stayed in the Astral World with the other Godhands.
Some fans say that the Black Swordsman / Lost Children story arcs were "too repetitive" or "too much like Fist Of The North Star" but so what. These story arcs were good. It was the only logical thing for Guts to do after the Eclipse.
The other big problem in Berserk after chapter 118 are all these child characters. NOBODY wants to see annoying kids in a story for adults.
Isidro is an annoying little shit who is not funny or interesting.
Schierke, a loli witch who has a crush on Guts, was a dumb idea from the start.
This new girl Isma is about as interesting as a cardboard cutout.
Berserk has turned into a goddamn shonen after the Conviction arc and the new chapter that was just released a day ago is a perfect example.
>miura just wants to do a fun fantasy adventure story with no gore or rape
>none of the fans want that and scream for more violence and rape
being miura must be suffering
>>143266923
>since 2001
Jesus christ has it really been that long
>>143267478
Youre being delusional.
>>143267879
Not sure if this is pasta, but I wholeheartedly agree.
>>143268080
>
Miura should have Hamada help him get better at digital
>>143267249
digital
>>143267294
this one is not digital though
>>143263859
loli witch butts arc is best
>>143267339
Why doesn't Puck have a dick?
DRAWING USING TABLETS STILL REQUIRES HUMAN HANDS YOU FUCKING TRADITIONAL MORONS.
>>143267915
>fun fantasy adventure
Yeah too bad its fucking garbage. Farnese and Serpico are the only good additions he's made in nearly 20 years.
The war, Mozgus and Griffith/Fauconia are the only worthwhile chapters in a long while.
If the next chapter is some pirate/Isidro/Witch academy chapter I'm going to puke
>>143267879
I'd say Griffith coming back was necessary to the plot. But Griffith getting everything he wants being the focus of like 50 chapters isn't
I think that direction Berserk goes makes sense but there are too many useless characters 24/7 and there is no build up.
Guts has been hammered with "either Casca or revenge, choose" since Eclipse by Skull Knight and he seems to mellow oit to choose Casca and just forget Griffith.
But...the tonal shit is way too jarring, people don't even die anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVjSUgZ_khc
good digital
I really hope that Behelit is going to be used by either Serpico or Ishidoro.
There has to be a pay off with it.
>>143263859
I picked up Berserk about a year ago, and have grown incredibly attached to it, but I have to agree- the last chapter, the character designs felt a bit off, like the author's investment dropped heavily...
Miura has pulled a Simpsons on us, its been bad longer than its been good
I feel that Miura had Eclipse 2.0 in mind when Guts got his JRPG party but now he just wants fun stuff and end this shit.
Guts heals Casca.
They stay in elfland.
Griffith unites whole world as best king ever.
Fin.
>>143268440
>the character designs felt a bit off
Miura is a little like Araki, he never really mastered drawing people to be quite frank. He still assembles them like doll joints.
>>143268595
I absolutely love how Guts was drawn from his duel with Serpico to the Sea god, I don't understand why the sudden downgrade in details and expressions... Even when Guts gave an apathetic vibe, I felt something. Now it just seems lazy.
>>143268319
I think that Guts will live in peace for a while but then Griffith is going to come back and screw him over.
I've been enjoying the lighter tone but I know that things will take a turn for the worse eventually.
Guts is just mature now that's all. He's basically a family man now, fighting fate and his inner rage.
>>143268595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-9IP_zn6zs
he didn't reach this level yet.
>>143268840
He's just been on a boring mission for 180 chapters. Escort the bitch from point A to point B.
It's not really more "mature" than what he did during, say, Lost Children, hunting Apostles was actually better for the greater good than focusing on Casca.
>>143268915
There's plenty of battle shonen manga to entertain you then.
>>143268840
Basically like the new God of War game
>>143268259
this, i think its pretty much impossible to discuss berserk on /a/
>>143268915
Honestly, would hunting apostles one by one even make sense at this point?
>>143269014
No, it would be pretty worthless since Griffith's got an army of them.
>>143268273
YEAH! GO EDGELORDS!
>>143268369
What are you implying?
>>143267879
While I don't agree with most of what you said, I completely agree about Griffith. I think that him coming back was necessary to the plot, since without that he wouldn't achieve what he wanted (Falconia), despite being a part of the God Hand. What definitely was NOT needed is countless chapters of "look how cool griffith is he did all this by himself". Especially introducing Sonia which is by far the worst child character introduced, even worse than Narut- Isidro.
I'd also add that for all the mysticism with the God Hand, them just fucking disappearing forever since black swordsman doesn't make much sense for me. You'd think they would do more but they have not impacted anything at all, with the most they did after that being Slan materializing out of troll guts to troll Guts.
I'm sure when the current arc is done we'll go back to Conviction tier plot but for now all we can do is wait, at least they're explaining the lore instead of just cool doublepage illustrations showing off how pretty and cool Griffith and his minions are.
>>143268704
I think it annoys him too much.
>Berserk
>gets the literal berserker armor hundreds of chapters in
Leaves a bad taste afterwards. Pic related is why the manga is called that. The armor also takes away the tension, as he was visibly always on the physical edge in his battles. You cringed with every hit he took, but it felt even more earned when he overcame it.
>>143269014
It only made sense from the perspective that Guts was absolutely mad and was trying to take out his frustrations. Then it blew back when he realized that he abandoned Caska and she was wondering all alone.
>>143267669
Not that the right one have anything for it as a color work anyway, it looks good because of the lines.Miura is just generally bad at coloring.
>>143269132
>I'm sure when the current arc is done we'll go back to Conviction tier plot but for now all we can do is wait, at least they're explaining the lore instead of just cool doublepage illustrations showing off how pretty and cool Griffith and his minions are.
Honestly, I expected Elfheim to be some peaceful place according to how Puck described it after the Conviction arc.
>>143269170
Well, on the other hand, he was knocked out of commission after a fight due to the injuries it inflicted. So far it's still Guts saves the day, but I think I see the other characters have to do more and more as Guts is left incapacitated by the armor.
>>143267212
A-anon?
>>143269202
I think there's some real shit coming soon. There was a prophecy about Puck leaving Elfheim that the old mage guy mentioned, I think it's likely that Griffith will find Elfheim.
The only thing I'm hoping is that Griffith fucks up Elfheim for the same reason he fucked up the old witch's place.
We get to see some good ol rape n gore, Guts goes in rage again, Caska is forever doomed being a retard (or heals with the help of the mysterious kid/other Deus Ex Machina), Guts starts fucking shit up again and plot actually advances.
If this or something similar doesn't happen, I willkeep reading while still being dead inside
>>143263859
This manga sounds like I cut my self everytime I turn the page. It has too many edges
>>143268949
Battle shonen aren't the only stories where other stuff happen than "escort someone during 60% of the story". Golden Age isn't a battle shonen, but it's almost unanimously praised for great character development, engaging plot, bloody battles with awesome art, and of course the 12/10 conclusion. Lost Children and Conviction convey all these qualities into a new, much darker setting, so even if the mood isn't exactly the same as in the Golden Age, it's still Berserk.
But after the troll arc? Witches pop up (it can work storywise, okay), with tons and tons of exposition, Guts' quest become stale, he develops a bit here and there but mostly stop doing relevant things (other than kill monster X). Even when he kill a monster, he mostly uses the armor so it doesn't mean anything, he just ... kills stuff, it's not like, say, when he tanked Rosine's spear piercing his mouth or sent Mozgus to heaven.
There are still a few highs, like Guts vs Kushan commander because he got to trashtalk people (one of his finest skills to be fair), but most of the time he's just like "gotta go there" "gonna destroy those monsters" "having comrades again is nice" (something he found out in a couple of volumes in Golden Age/Lost Children isn't enough to justify 10 volumes of group shenanigans)
tl;dr : Berserk lost a lot of its charm after Conviction.
>>143269202
Well you're correct, because that is exactly what Puck said. They were on a trip to a paradise, and right now people are complaining that they're in a paradise. It's utterly stupid.
A lot of people complain that Berserk isn't edgy anymore, and "wahhh wheres my rape", but seem to be incapable of understanding that right now we're on a healing arc, with Guts finally being more comfortable around people and the crew finally being able to catch a break from nonstop apostle hunting. Hell if we go back around 10 chapters or so we see it's still as brutal everywhere else, the only reason it's not brutal right now is because it's fucking Elfhelm, considered a goddamn paradise island, at one point referred to as an utopia, and the biggest proof being that it's unmapped and can only be visited by someone who's already been there.
>>143269014
>>143269184
When Griffith wasn't on Earth, it made sense. Guts easily saved hundreds of lives just by killing Rosine.
Now that they're all gathered in an army, it's kinda pointless, only the Godhands matter in the long run.
>>143263859
I hope they skip the rape scene in the anime. I don't want to see that gay shit
>>143269170
This.
>you're breaking my bones, but I'm stabbing your eyes
>>143269341
>>143264796
>>143267213
>>143267669
>>143264796
we Gantz nao
>>143269190
right is more fit for Berserk and its setting and the generic digital art.
>>143269364
It's more about the details, really. In the raw, people thought Isidro did a pervert joke (he didn't, so it's acceptable). Also
>slut witch doesn't add anything to the plot
>even if she did we didn't need a stupid fight with her doll
>cute girls everywhere
>not a single adult outside of that old master cliche
>Puck always in chestnut form doing comical relief every page
That's too much
>>143269501
art
>>143269341
Spot on, Troll Extermination marked the part when it stopped being about a human fighting monsters with just his wits and tenacity and became a story about a protagonist fighting monster with the help of magic armor and sorcery.
>>143269170
>takes away the tension
No it doesn't. Not only is it impossible for Guts to beat Griffith without SOMETHING to help him, Guts actually using the berserker armor is way worse than using just a regular armor, as it completely fucks up his body way more than if he just jumped on an apostle with his sword.
It's not a deus ex machina at all, and even skull knight told him that if he doesn't get his shit together he'll end up fucked by the armor completely, which is even more tense than possibly getting fucked over in a fight, since now he's destroying his body and has to be careful to not go too far.
Everyone lately keeps parroting "Berserker armor is bad! It ruins the tension!" when not only is it needed but it's also a lot more tense, since it requires Guts to NOT go berserk. Just because Berserk is the title doesn't mean that's how the protagonist has to be 24/7.
>>143269612
I agree about the slut witch, totally unneeded. I don't mind the loli witches everywhere because that's how witches are. Absolutely hate that Puck has been in chestnut form for the past god knows how many chapters, it's not comical relief anymore, it's just distracting.
>>143269394
It's also a pointless endeavor because there's a lot more than just apostles running around killing everyone now.
The only reason to go after the apostles now is to complete his vengeance but Guts seems tired of that shit.He needs a reminder.
To be honest that digital art of his isnt bad, its pretty great actually, does this board genuinely hates berserk or what
>>143269673
it's good but not that goood enough to match the traditional one.
>>143269629
>evolution
He's actually devolving.
>>143269697
>the last two
Jesus, I never realized how bad it had gotten
>>143269663
The armor by itself would be okay. It fucks his body and mind up.
The Deus Ex Machina thing is armor + loli witch
Who cares if the armor fucks him up if the witch is there to heal/save his mind?
Killand rape in any orderthe witch and we're back on good times
>>143269692
The traditional one is better, yeah but I dont understand all the hatred in this thread. Its still captures Berserk spirit, I guess its pointless to even talk about, since everyone is circlejerking anyway
>>143269663
>impossible for Guts
>to beat the Count
>to beat Rosine
>to beat Mozgus
>to beat Zodd
>to kill 100 enemies while wounded
>to survive the Eclipse
That's the point of the entire manga, Guts a normal human, beating impossible odds
Guts is now basically just a bodyguard protecting the loli while she blows everything up with magic.
>>143269663
This. Wearing the Berserker armor is dangerous. It was originally meant to be a suicide armor used by dwarves, and it's practically a host for Guts' rage.
It also gives an opening for relationship building with Schierke and Guts.
>>143269673
Berserk is one of the most beautiful manga ever created and his hand-drawn art is awesome. With the digital way, he can't use his 30 years experience in traditional drawing and makes beginner shit. This can't happen in Berserk
>>143269663
How does Berserker armor add anything?
>if the enemy is weak, Guts will not go Berserk and kill him quickly, so you don't care much about that fight
>if the enemy is strong, Guts will go Berserker, which means he'll spend the 3 next chapters in bed. He'll beat his enemies doing whirlwinds and jumping around as he doesn't feel pain anymore. If Guts isn't in his Berserker armor and takes hits, it's okay, because he can activate the Berserker armor to start fucking up people when situation gets critical. If Guts takes hits in his Berserker armor, it's okay, because he doesn't feel pain thus isn't slowed down by his enemies attacking him, and not because he's really mad and wants their head, thus ignoring the pain, but just because he has a magical artifact
>>143269697
All of these are fine.
Digital Guts like the covers posted up above is absolutely disgusting though
>>143269758
He used Puck to heal him before the witch. It took her a month to do it.
>>143269772
>. It was originally meant to be a suicide armor used by dwarves, and it's practically a host for Guts' rage.
Except all of that was removed by Schierke controlling the armor and turning Guts into Batman
Having Guts battle the armor so he doesn't murder everyone in his party was the interesting bit, now it's just a power-up
>>143269697
That's not that bad. Whenever people complain about the art they post Guts instead of the awful big cat eyes Miura's giving all the girls.
>>143269758
>wanting Schierke to die/get raped
I hope you die or get raped, anon. It's obvious that there will be one moment where Guts won't be able to count on Schierke or Moonlight Cunt, she's only there to show him there's a way to use it without losing his mind.
>>143269766
Jesus christ I'm not saying impossible to beat Apostles, I'm saying impossible to beat Griffith. It's shown clearly that Guts can't even get close to Femto without being blown the fuck away. He needed SOMETHING to even step up to the Godhand, let alone Griffith. The odds are much higher than they were during the Golden Age, especially after worlds merging, how can you not see that?
>>143269697
[14-24] is the best.
>>143269766
The point of the manga is for Guts to find comrades and heal his wounded soul. He needs an army to beat Griffiths army.
>>143269697
I like modern Guts.
>>143269341
>lost children
>darker
Are you serious? I've literally just got past lost children and the constant shitty attempts at humour are really putting me off. Puck's chibi-ish form is fucking dumb and the whole "my dad comes and rapes me at night but he's not actually that bad I love my family" ending was shit.
It doesn't need to maintain the edge levels of golden age where literally every person that fights casca tries to fuck her, but it doesn't need the tone ruining humour either. And you guys are telling me it gets worse?
![68277[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T4zFaOo.jpg "68277[1].jpg")
I just want more best girl
>>143269850
>how can you not see that?
I can see that but I value a good story over idiotic power-levels where Guts needs to go on a quest to hit level 100 so he can challenge the Endboss of the game
>>143269934
She was better looking ten years ago.
Conviction was just far too awesome, Falcon of the Millenium had no chance to stand up to it.
Conviction had Rosine and Mozgus. Serpico and Farnese. Isidro back when he was tolerable. It was also the edgiest part other than Black Swordsman yet nowhere near as tryhard.
I think witches are a nice addition. They don't mean the manga loses its edge. Right after Schierke was introduced we got the rape cave of the trolls. We just have to see what they do and what happens to them.
>>143268406
Has it even been shown lately? Guts has had it since the fight with the Count, right? There's a good chance Miura forgot about it if it hasn't been referenced at all lately.
>>143269876
No
>>143269988
Puck is in charge of it.
>>143269930
>my dad comes and rapes me at night but he's not actually that bad I love my family
That didn't happen. Jill only understood she had to fight her own battle, which was in her village and not following a branded swordsman.
Puck only gets more chibi-ish.
Also, yes, Lost Children is darker than most of the Golden Age, which consisted of winning battles and killing unlikeable political opposants. Guts is fucked up, Rosine is fucked up, Jill is fucked up, children get burned/raped/whatever.
>>143269942
Except this time it's emotions, not just "I HAVE TO SWING MY SWORD MORE", like the entirety of Golden Age and even Conviction. Guts HAS to control himself and stop being so angsty if he wants to get to Godhand without being completely broken by the armor before that. I do want to know what the fuck the god hand is doing though. You'd figure they'd have more influence after things getting merged but we've been shown nothing.
>>143269930
It gets a LOT better, and then it gets stale for a while. Conviction is usually regarded as the best arc after the Eclipse, for very good reason.
>>143269341
>Guts' quest become stale
As someone who started reading Berserk after all the hubbub of him getting off the boat, I think it's interesting how the weight of the story has shifted. Like Skull Knight said, Guts is now choosing to 'protect' instead of 'seek revenge', and he, his group and their quest are now passive participants in the bigger story that is Berserk, where the main focus has been on Griffith's side since his reincarnation in the Conviction arc finale. Griffith wins the war for Midland against the Kushan; Guts passively feels the consequences as he fights some Kushan forces while traveling to whatever destination he's heading to. He's not an active participant in the events of this war, though. Griffith ends the war and Ganishka's defeat initiates the presumably-part-of-Griffith's-endgame-goals event that is the World Transformation; Guts feels the consequences and fights some monsters on his sea voyage. However, Guts has now reached the next BIG destination that's been foreshadowed for a long time as a potential turning point since it might mean something for Casca's character. Plus we have Rickert's story thread to develop as well. It's just an agonizingly slow wait for any of these story setups to pay off.
>>143270051
>Guts HAS to control himself
No he doesn't he has the loli-witch control his emotions for him
>>143269992
One of the people he has to fight is himself.
I'm fine the whole papa gutsu and his band thing, but i feel disappointed thats its become one piece in the sense that its all about waiting for guts to show up and win.
Sure hes given up but i don't want the ride to end like this
>>143267879
>story for adults
lol
Call me an edgelord all you want, Berserk was only good when it was filled with horrible death and disgusting creatures being disgusting.
The fun part was seeing all that horrible shit happen. All the freaking gore and violence and people dying from monsters/deranged politics and women being raped, human nature at its purest mixed with unholy creatures that really do look like they came straight off Hell, that's what made it good, don't fucking deny it.
When you introduce all these friendly characters and "downtime" you ruin it. It just becomes a shonen-like, and everyone with a brain knows that shonen is the bottom of the fucking barrel of storytelling. Berserk should have stayed "Guts VS the world". Miura can keep that piece of shit Puck around if he really wants to give himself a laugh, but Guts's suffering and his constant lashing out against the evil, disgusting world and the evil, disgusting race that is humanity that as a whole always has the hidden potential to become a horrible demon was done splendidly and it should have remained the focus of the series.
>>143270072
>It's just an agonizingly slow wait for any of these story setups to pay off.
this the actual reason for the bitching, not the "story getting stale". children simply cannot be patient.
>>143270084
Can you really not see how much it's being foreshadowed that Guts needs to do it on his own? Schierke is there to show him there is a way to use it without losing his mind, but it's very clear that one day he'll have to do that himself, whether because Schierke's not there or because Guts has been taken away. Especially since this entire arc has been about Guts calming down and thinking before acting, since the stakes are higher for everyone now. If you can't see that you might have to reread the last two arcs, because it's being foreshadowed for quite some time.
>>143270180
Seconding this
idolm@ster killed Berserk
>>143270139
Guts has to cause some fucking mayhem for the people of Falconia.
>>143270072
Yeah, it's also because of the slow releases, but it was too drawn out. Compared to the Golden Age and its flawless pacing, Lost Children's shortness and brutality, Tower of Conviction's huge stakes, it can't stand. Should have toned down a bit the Griffith fanclub part, it looked really good but it was just mostly action. Pretty much the opposite of Golden Age. And action isn't as endearing when it's just one side roflstomping the other because godpowerslol
>>143270198
>Can you really not see how much it's being foreshadowed that Guts needs to do it on his own?
Whatever, you are so invested that anything I say will be ignored.
Batman mode shits on the whole "Berserk" part of the armor and it's just plain magical armor now
>>143270180
Maybe you can ask Miura if that was his intention.
>>143270180
the edge is only good because of the contrast with the human sides; there's a reason berserk is popular instead of pure edge manga
>>143270226
>it looked really good but it was just mostly action. Pretty much the opposite of Golden Age. And action isn't as endearing when it's just one side roflstomping the other because godpowerslol
This.
>>143270279
I'm serious, it really has been foreshadowed for quite some time. You just seem to want Guts to completely break himself and become Skully 2.0 instead of having to control himself when using the armor. Just because it's called Berserker Armor doesn't mean he has to be Berserker Mode the entire time, even Skull Knight told him that if he does that he'll fuck everything up.
>>143270279
Magical armor that will eat you and drain your blood as it did Gaiseric described during the Golden Age arc prior to the eclipse.
>>143270051
>Guts HAS to control himself and stop being so angsty if he wants to get to Godhand without being completely broken by the armor before that
But that's lame. I'm reading a story about a guy who lost all of his comrades in the most gruesome way you could imagine, lost an arm and survived just because he was so angry he kept stabbing the monsters who killed his friends using whatever he could find. A guy who wants revenge and is, understandably, really really angry about what happened. Most readers share that frustration.
And now, he has to stop feeling anything toward the culprit? Because he's already calm, so that's the next step.
>pretending Berserk is still the same quality after the Sea God arc
>>143270328
Dumb idiot, the edge IS the human sides.
What you call the "human sides" is kiddy fairy tale stuff about friendship and trust above all that Miura suddenly grew a boner for.
Humanity is fucked up by nature. Humans are violent predators more than we are social creatures.
>>143270370
>arc
no, it's part of Fantasia Arc and we're still on Fantasia Arc. Do you get it?
>>143270183
Spreads showing friendly monsters beating the sandniggers and paragraphs of exposition made the story agonizingly slow. Golden Age is only 2/3 of the length of what happened after Conviction, but at least twice more things happened in it. Miura keeps fucking around with irrelevant things.
>>143270328
The reason Berserk is popular IS because of the pure edge from Black Swordsman and Golden Age.
>edge, edgy
Overused meme word. I'm seeing it in every fuking thread nowadays.
>>143270180
I disagree. "Guts vs the world" would have gotten stale, too. LOL GUTS WINS. Now it's upped it, Guts has vulnerable people to care for, people who can't just carry a bigass sword and slash everything away. And ever since the end of the Kushan invasion, Guts has decided that he'd rather protect than war. And as >>143270072 explained, it's a buildup to the climax, especially if what some people are saying is true and this is going to be the final arc of Berserk.
>>143270426
>arguing semantics
Chapter then dickwad
>>143270404
Then why the fuck did Puck describe Elfheim as peaceful? Everybody was already dead during the Seagod arc. Seagod already ate them all.
>>143270453
+ the fuking amazing drawing
>>143270358
It's not "stop feeling anything", it's controlling his urges as much as possible. It's already been shown in the very first arc that just being mad will get him destroyed by Femto with 0 effort, and the cunt has fate on his side, Guts needed something to go against him, and instead of getting a super shonen Power x100 device, he got an armor that increases his resistance but also breaks his body. He HAS to control his anger at least until he gets to actually fight the Godhand, otherwise he'll just fuck up his body so much that by the time he's able to fight Griffith he might not even be able to walk.
Let's not forget that the only reason Guts is "calm" right now is because he has absolutely no idea about what's going on in the outside world. He doesn't know about Falconia, he doesn't know about what happened to Rickert, he doesn't know about all the apostles ganging up into an actual army, and he sure as fuck will be raging mad when he finds out. But for now he has to work on himself, and not waste his body until he absolutely has to, otherwise he'll be in shambles before even getting close to revenge.
>>143270453
Golden Age was nowhere near as edgy as you're making it sound. Other than the Eclipse.
Conviction was much edgier. And the best arc.
>>143270506
>and instead of getting a super shonen Power x100 device
That's literally what he got
And a fucking mage to cast fireballs for him
>>143270404
>Humanity is fucked up by nature. Humans are violent predators more than we are social creatures.
That's a very arbitrary thing to say, and it depends a lot on the context. Today, most people live in peace and don't even get into a fight for their whole life (or maybe one or two).
>>143270535
Not it fucking isn't. It doesn't give him Power x100, it ups his resistance at the cost of his human body's limits when he stops using it. If he keeps using it he'll be fucked and crippled before he's able to do anything.
Schierke's magic is probably inefficient against the Godhand too, unless she learns some new trick.
>>143270467
Well, people don't want a manga about Guts caring for people.
Take one good look at this thread and you'll realize the majority of Berserk readers want angry fucking Guts carrying a bigass sword and slashing everything away, myself included.
Doesn't matter if you think it would be stale, you're the minority.
>>143263859
Berserk is getting pushed harder now than it ever has in the past 10 years. He's obviously ramping up to finish it for good.Right?
Unlimited Lines work
>>143263859
Do people really think the quality changed that drastically? The tone is different but I still enjoy it immensely. If anything I like the contrast.
>>143270586
Well you have to put up with the fact that what Miura wants and what you want might be two different things.
>>143270578
>Schierke
>anything against Godhand
She can't even properly seal Guts's brand like the old witch did
>>143270578
>If he keeps using it he'll be fucked and crippled before he's able to do anything.
Just like every shonen protag has that one ability that "If he keeps using THAT it will shorten his lifespan"
>>143270506
>It's not "stop feeling anything", it's controlling his urges as much as possible
He's already done that. He's protecting Casca and leading her to Elfhelm instead of running after Griffith, so he can control his urge of revenge to instead do other stuff. Just look at him, he's a fucking family man now. Stays calm, attacks people whenever he has to protect, waits for the boat to get to Elfhelm.
The next step would be "stop feeling anything bad toward Griffith" and it's pretty dumb unless you want to do some Boudha stuff
>>143270404
>the edge IS the human sides
That's the animal side coming from the simple reptilian brain we share with lesser animals. It usually gets less intense as people mature. And he's been showing it since Golden Age.
Miura didn't suddenly get a boner. He's doing a thing called "character progression". Guts isn't alone anymore, he has several people he now cares about under his wing, and he's had people he thought of significant since the start. Such as Griffith and Caska.
>>143270541
Look at today's society and seriously tell me humanity isn't lacking in violence.
We're suppressing our instincts to prey upon the weak. We are predatory animals, we need violence and war. We have to want to kill things in order to be healthy. Society is going to collapse sooner of later from all the hippie leftist bullshit trying to suppress humanity's violent nature.
>>143270635
Except this time it's been shown to have real consequences, and not some shit like YYH Hiei's "IF I USE MY SECRET TECHNIQUE I'LL HURT MY ARM OWIE". Of all the things in Berserk to complain about, complaining than an armor that can kill the user has no flaws is absolutely retarded.
>>143270690
>Except this time it's been shown to have real consequences
Yeah he slept on the ship for a few chapters, woho.
>>143270685
So it's the power of friendship
Great.
>>143270586
Speak for yourself. I like the new Papa Guts. Several others do. And this isn't a story written by the bandwagon, it's by Miura. If you want a battle shonen, read battle shonen. You can read a few between chapters, too.
Gonna be honest here, I feel like Berserk is at it's shittiest right now. I still like it, but it's just... not Berserk right now.
But I still believe we will go back to the classic Berserk, one way or another. Even if it wasn't as cruel and rape-filled as before, I think he can go close to the roots.
I really wish something fucked up happens to Isidro, Schierke and that one new girl. I don't care if they don't die, just... something. They feel left out of the world Guts lived through.
>>143270685
Who cares, it's still shit and it's ruined a once great manga.
>>143270689
What's going on on this thread? i thought i were on /pol/ for a seconde.
>>143270777
Because the loner fighting friends and choosing to protect them is not the #1 shonen trope
>>143270719
>Skull Knight says it
>It's been shown to consume and kill the user if they overuse it
>Armor broke his bones
>Guts isn't even conscious for days every time he uses it
>His skin is all ripped apart
>His nerves don't feel things as much as they did
But go ahead, pretend that it has no consequences and it's a deus ex machina just to have a "reason" to shit on it.
>>143270792
All the people calling each other edgy summoned the actual, unironic edgelords.
>>143270586
Guts cared for people during Lost Children and Conviction. He didn't have a JRPG squad for that. And even the JRPG squad wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact it's there since 15 vols now, which is huge, and Guts barely gets interesting screentime now.
Guts caring for people is done a lot better in ""edgy"" arcs than peaceful ones. A peaceful arc will show comical reliefs do silly stuff, and at some point Guts will say "feels nice". An edgy arc will show Guts running in the forest, crying and hopeless, thinking about his comrades and dying inside. That's how you do it;
>>143270777
>Several others do
You're still the minority, retard.
Berserk is sold for profit. Everything sold for profit needs to do a little pandering to increase sales.
>>143264513
Did you just say that Lord of the rings was irredeemable shit?
>>143270824
The count's daughter tidbit was 10/10, too
>>143270758
>Caring about people is power of friendship
>>143270824
And for the record, I'm referring to the post-Eclipse scene where he realizes what happened.
>>143270758
>reducing arguments to simple cliches
Alright, you win. Feel free to complain. All I can say is that I'm glad you're not writing.
>>143270870
It is, though.
I don't mind guts being in a group instead of by himself.
I just fucking hate the current party.
>tfw he'll never be in a competent team that isn't majorly kids again
>>143270859
>"ur still teh minorety i wan rape rape rape!! we humsns r ev1l!!! and UNREDEEMABEL!!!! wer supa evil n violent!!!"
Summer's in full swing.
>>143270859
Not him, but this conversation was about quality, so I don't know where the fuck profit comes into it. It makes profit either way, anyway.
>>143270689
That's really arbitrary, again. If the society hasn't collapsed despite most people spending their whole life not killing, then it probably means we don't need to kill to be.
>>143270859
Am I? How do I know you're not in the minority? And even if it is sold for profit, it doesn't mean that he can't have creative direction. Read something else if you want edgelord slaughters everything.
>>143270902
At least it looks like Farnese is about to become useful and not just Casca's fucking babysitter. I just wish Serpico would get more fight screentime since shitting wind all over the place and the duel with Guts.
>>143270824
The best part is that during the Conviction arc, caring for people came at a cost. Hesitaiting multple times and failing to kill Rosine for instance.
It was all very organic and natural.
>>143270818
Those consequences are irrelevant when they have no long term affects and blown over in a few chapters.
Guts definitely isn't dying just from that either unless you're retarded.
>>143270824
And he was fighting a lowly apostle, not the Demon God himself that he couldn't even be near from the very start.
>>143270988
Right, remember when the old witch lady came back after she was set on fire along with her tree?
>>143270792
It's a Berserk thread, there's always some crossboard shits you have to ignore.
>>143271064
The funny thing is she literally did come back to life 5 minutes after she was set on fire.
>>143271064
Or how the loli was almost torn in half by spooky mask man just a few chapters ago.
Right now things are just a bit more peaceful, that wont last forever
>>143270779
>I really wish something fucked up happens to Isidro, Schierke and that one new girl
I get where your coming from, but I don't think a second eclipse like event is necessary. I guess I'm one of the few anons who enjoy the lighter tone of the new group. Although I'm sure we will get plenty of Guts suffering when it's time for Casca to get healed. I guarantee something is going to go wrong either with the process itself, or the aftermath with Casca remembering the Eclipse and freaking the fuck out out.
With the new TV series, the game and Miura moving to digital, I think he's trying to push through to the finish line. Though I'm worried he's losing interest in this series. The gap between Guts and Griffith is way too big right now. And I think that any attempt at closing it too fast will come off as a sort of deus ex machina.
Pfft niggas still read this whack shit?
Claymore way more raw than this kiddy wannabe dark fantasy manga.
>>143270859
Even if you're not worth anything, do you think you'd still kill yourself if I got enough people to tell you to do it?
>>143270988
>no long term affects and blown over in a few chapters
Did you forget Guts mentioning his senses have been off ever since he started using the armor? And how him being unconscious for days makes him completely open to being attacked by any apostle? If Guts fucks up in a fight he's fucked for days with the Berserker armor, even with Puck's healing semen sprinkled all over his body.
>>143270824
>Guts caring for people is done a lot better in ""edgy"" arcs than peaceful ones. A peaceful arc will show comical reliefs do silly stuff, and at some point Guts will say "feels nice". An edgy arc will show Guts running in the forest, crying and hopeless, thinking about his comrades and dying inside. That's how you do it;
So basically you want it to be dark or else you don't like it?
I love the summertime!
>>143269697
I'm just glad he controlled his chin.
>>143270982
Yeah. Guts had to compromise against adversity, like throwing away his good morals to destroy a monster. That's a lot more substance than "feels good bro".
Berserk lacks revenge, recently. I'm not saying edgy "I want to kill Griffith no matter what" revenge is the way, but just choosing to erase what happened and the deaths of so many good men isn't an answer either. And the last time we had Guts thinking about Griffith, it was when he asked Zodd where he was and pussied out. Did he do that because he was wounded and it would have gone terribly wrong for him and his comrades, or because, as some people say, he chose to "protect" for the rest of his life? If it's the second option as I fear, then I'm really not a fan.
can someone link me to the new chapter please?
>>143270777
That should be his reward at the end of the series. Simply settling down with Casca. I'm expecting something fucked up to happen before all that though.
>>143271132
I'd be reading Bastard! if it wasn't on hiatus
>>143271233
So do I, anon.
>>143270824
That was one of the best moments I can remember in the manga. I don't think it was due to the edge itself, the message after all contains a bit bitter but hopeful, life is a struggle; but it is not hopeless.
>>143263859
Did you morons forget all hell breaking loose when Griffith merged the worlds, with the cockatrices and other Astral beings devouring everyone, and the only way to live safely in the craphole now is under a false utopia? How is this any less edgy than before, Golden age wasn't even edgy minus the eclipse and Wyald.
>>143270988
Every time he uses the armour spooky dog monster gets stronger, he spends intervals without the armour bedridden, his hands shake.
>>143270808
Honestly, that blacksmith has been scolding him over leaving Casca behind since before the Tower arc.
>>143271077
And then died after a final attack.
>>143271113
I think it's natural character progression. He always cared for Caska, and as time went on, he got people he needed, both in the actual sense and the sense that he became see them as a sort of comrade or family.
>>143270824
He always cared for Caska, though. This was when he decided that he wanted revenge over caring for who he loved, and then he paid for it when she wandered off and was almost executed for being a witch. The rest of his squad came in because he needed them, they wiggled themselves in, or came in when he was already softening up. Puck even remarked about how novel it was for him to take in companions.
>>143271267
Bastard is fucking shit, though. It's literally just some edgelord's D&D fantasies, the manga.
>muh grimdark and edge
The story's about Band of the Hawk, its shattering, and how Guts and Griffith recreate the Band in the image of what it meant to them.
Guts is creating a home, a family. Griffith is creating a legion of loyal killers worshiped as heroes, a conquering army to fulfill his ambitions.
Guts was always going to get over his loner phase, the comfy atmosphere of the camp scenes in Golden Age were always gonna return. Even in the Black Swordsman arc they dropped a shitload of hints that Guts wasn't as much of a hardass that he portrays himself as, that he pushed people away for their sake and secretly longed for company.
>>143271301
>false utopia
Griffith keeps the monsters and apostles in check
He is literally God on EarthHe did literally nothing wrong
>>143271337
And before/at the start of Conviction he finally realized (again) that he always realizes whats important for him (Caska) after he loses it (leaving the Band/leaving her behind to kill shit)
>>143271342
>Bastard!
>edgy
Come on son
>>143271209
I don't want 15 vols with Isidro/Puck taking 50% of the screentime by doing bad comical relief and 50% of Griffith's cool boy's band. Guts is a lot more interesting when he's faced with actual adversity that involves something else than just swinging your sword the standard way, like tough choices, extremes measures to take to prevent something even worse, doubt, regret, anything.
As long as Guts with that retarded casca is still a thing then berserk will never be good again.
I remember reading this shit like 6 or 7 years ago and they were talking about casca actually being able to recover a bit and here we are and bitch is still dumb with no change.
Anyone who likes this shit probably only read it recently because of the anime.
I'm tired of this shit and dropped it until it ever ends.
![[UTW]_Fate_Zero_-_02_[BD][h264-1080p_FLAC][7FBA0660].mkv_snapshot_19.00_[2015.02.18_03.12.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x5rRHxT.jpg "[UTW]_Fate_Zero_-_02_[BD][h264-1080p_FLAC][7FBA0660].mkv_snapshot_19.00_[2015.02.18_03.12.26].jpg")
>>143263859
he's just building things up longer now before tearing them down.
>>143271276
The reason it's one of the best moments in the manga is because it comes right after Guts goes mad to kill Rosine, drenching himself in blood and running through fire, falling from insane heights and biting her antenna through his fucking cheeks, only to stop and tell this little girl that it can't be like that forever. That no matter what they do, he's followed by the horrors of the world and stuck on the battlefield forever due to apostles constantly being after him. It shows that while he is still very angry he still cares about innocent people and doesn't want anyone to fall into the same hole he's in.
"Take a look... at the darkness around me." is one of the best quotes of the entire manga for that reason. Guts is carrying everything on his back, and despite barely staying sane he still has it in him to protect the right people.
>>143271255
I think Casca might get a happy ending, while Guts sacrifices himself to giver her that ending. As much as I want the two of them to just settle down after all the shit fate has thrown at them, I'm pretty sure that we are going to get a bittersweet ending.
Is this pic related new?
So when's the next chapter?
inb4
>see you next time
>>143264513
This. I still don't understand how or why Gruebald is still fucking alive.
>>143271449
Makes sense, considering what Skull Knight wants. What she wants may not be the right or proper thing anyways. Not even the mentally ill can have everything they want.
>>143271509
End of July.
>>143266884
These are the type of fans who are attracted to Berserk for shallow cosmetic reasons pretty much, they don't actually care about the worldbuilding or characterizations and just want something edgy that they can masturbate to.
>>143271509
22 july
>>143271276
Guts' character is all about the struggle. It makes sense that scenes where he struggles or talk about the struggle are some of the best.
Also, as >>143271447 said, it showed a lot of reason and compassion in the toughness/madness he showed. How can you not love the guy after that?
>>143265000
Except we got Berserk chapters in 2015. And Gigantomakhia is also done in traditional style, that's just a fucking cover.
So es, you are an idiot.
>>143271253
Please guys, best I can find is this
http://imgur.com/a/RqyMD
>>143271447
>tell this little girl that it can't be like that forever.
I don't know, I think the point was in fact that the struggle is a constant, it never ends. The girl wanted a happy and peaceful ending, to escape from her shitty situation and have some hero save her. But that's not how it works. Yet that doesn't mean she needs to give up and continue living in fear either, she can stand up for herself. That's my interpretation anyway.
>>143266184
>>143266526
Oh man I really want shit to hit the fan in Falconia now
Come the fuck on Miura
Why no new chapters now that the anime debuts next week? He could do another 6 chapters this year like last year if he wasn't so fucking lazy. 1 chapter per two months. Is that too much to ask. Some mangaka give us 50-page chapters per month for fuck's sake.
He must have the whole story planned out by now.
I just want to see Morda sex scenes
>>143271541
Tell me how these 2 characters weren't ruined by joining the party.
I'll wait.
>>143271636
Just wait, last I heard evil-genius was waiting on better scans to translate than the piece of shit korean ones that have a stupid filter over it, making the lines look like shit.
Some anon posted a link to a shoddy translation on some online reader, but it had a lot of panels wrong and shit formatting.
>>143271683
You're right, it was a typo. What I meant is that he stopped to tell her that it doesn't end, and if she runs away with him she'll be caught up in the same unending struggle he's in. And that instead of running away and possibly ending up in a worse situation, she should stand up to it.
>>143271687
All that idolm@ster media won't consume itself, anon.
>>143271723
Serpico is a literally who
Conviction Farnese was top tier
Witch apprentice Farnese is cancer
>post yfweveryone is still alive even the Apostles and their victims, Donovan didn't actually rape Guts and only put him to sleep, the big battles were CG and it was all one big Truman show
>>143268406
Puck.
>>143271723
(Not that anon)
Farnese is actually developing as a character and accepting herself, but she's still useless. It looks like she'll be useful soon since she's learning magic but I've no idea when it'll come into play. I'm glad she faced her fears and seems to be learning from it though, but she really should be more proactive and not just a babysitter.
Serpico has been underused, I really wish they'd focus on him a bit more. Their dynamic has definitely improved though.
>>143271776
>"Griffith did nothing wrong" becomes a reality
