So basically Miura's having a midlife crisis, right? It seems pretty clear the he's regretting all the edgy rape and gore he started out with and wants a do-over, but isn't confident enough to abandon his golden goose. The constant hiatuses and trend towards cutesier chapters give the impression that his heart hasn't been in it for a long time, he keeps trying to focus on things like wacky pirates or witches instead.
>>143263859
I don't think so. Things will get dark again once the focus returns to Griffith.Besides, if a writer keeps increasing the edge and gore,eventually the series will become a joke.
ever since the chapter where the party got their special items berserk has been pretty much Lord of the Rings. It all went downhill from there. This shit is irredeemable and i weep for the once great series.
>>143263859
He just wants to play his idol games
>>143264513
I disagree. Everything about Griffith is still gold.
>>143263859
The biggest problem now is why he switched to digital, he was mastering traditional art
the edginess will return in a few chapters, i guess that a grown up rickert and kushan assassins will come to skellig island and guts will lead an army of elfs, witches and kushans against griffiths empire.
the last few arcs were mostly just a build up for that, and hell even the golden age arc was mostly a not so egy/grimdark build up for the eclipse.
>>143264796
>wrong eye color
He doesn't care anymore.
>>143264796
I'm pretty sure thats not the style the new chapters are going to be in, he was just trying his hand at a different field.
Berserk is shit as soon as we get the JRPG party.
I missed when he was in a competent group like Band of Hawks.
>>143264864
That's not the first time, he made digital colored art for the cover of Gigantomakia (less shitty though)
So he basically hasn't made any traditional colored art since 2013
Berserk before moeshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3cXcS49D64
Berserk after moeshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MIAW2vYhc
>>143263985
>>143264833
You guys have been saying this ever since they got off the boat, it's not gonna happen. Guts will defeat Griffith with the power of friendship and Casca will get un-veggied and live happily ever after.
>>143265267
>ever since they got off the boat
It hasn't exactly been that long in terms of chapters.
>>143265267
>You guys have been saying this ever since they got off the boat
That was 3 chapters ago
>>143263859
wtf are you guys talking about? miura was on hiatus because he was supervising the berserk 2016 anime
>>143265858
you are retarded if you genuinely believe that
I haven't kept up since the mermaid arc. Has anyone even gotten raped since the troll arc? What's happening to my Berserk?
>>143263859
Fear not, anon. Once we go back to Griffith, and we'll finally see all those fool humans getting raped to death (literally) by apostles, we'll see the old Miura we all know and love once again. Oh, I really want to see the humans of Falconia getting their shit done in for that "fighting along with monsters" bullshit.
>>143266013
It is Moeserk now.
What if the cute witch girls is just a ruse to get the readers to grow attached to them only to brutally kill them off later?
>>143263859
Why is this faggot always winking?
>>143266820
He's a very jovial and flirtatious man
>>143266013
>What's happening to my Berserk?
We Little Witch Academia now
Other than Conviction (best arc) there hasn't been any non-stop edginess since before the Golden Age. And after Conviction it was a long while till we got back some rape and then Troll Cave happened.
Fucking pathetic all the newfriends who seem to expect graphic rape every chapter. I swear some fags talk about Berserk like it's never had worlbuilding chapters in between macabre shit
>>143266526
I'm not too sure about that. Schierke has been in the manga since 2001, and nothing has happened to her yet
>>143264796
MIURRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>143264513
So how do you expect
Is comic relief still comic relief if there's nothing to comically give relief from?
>>143263859
I'm sick of this argument coming up, read his old and current interviews, look at what he cites as his inspiration, look at his older work, he's always been into Moe shit.
Fucking hell Puck has been there since the beginning, he's always been the cutesy comic relief to counterbalance the bleak world of Berserk. The trip to Elfhelm was foreshadowed since 2000, Miura's been planning the trip to Pucks homeland for years, he didn't just make it up out of the blue because he's tired of blood and gore.
The next several chapters are probably going to be about expanding on the Berserk universe, and healing Cascas mind, don't expect the return of Rape Horse any time soon.
>>143267087
I expect Griffith to be on his way there.
>>143264513
How will he fight through the main apostles and Griffith without the armour?
>>143267087
Puck wasn't all moe and silly back then.
Don't get me wrong I like the current puck but he's fundamentally different and if you don't realise that you're retarded/delusional.
>>143266184
Fucking this. I especially want to see that annoying loli-clairvoyant autist getting raped to death and beyond, despairing her life choices once she realizes the true nature of those monsters.
>>143267225
I don't think that'll happen. I can't see the apostles harm her.
>>143267213
What the fuck did he do to puck?
We must ask the man with the death note to give some tips to him.
He is the true master of killing and rape.
>>143267212
One of his first panels. He's always been silly.
>>143267432
This isn't moeblob, this is someone talking shit when they are in danger.
Like a puppy barking really loud.
>>143267339
not really feeling the new cover designs either desu
>>143266884
Alot of people were attracted to Berserk because of the edge but ignore all the other aspects of the story.
For the cycle that Schierke's teacher and the Skull Knight talked about to be completed, Falconia as a whole and all of Guts' friends have to be killed.
This is just a rest before that.
>>143267432
You mean his Chesnut form? he didn't have that until the lost children arc I think.
>>143267513
he looks like a bimbo
>>143267669
REEEEEEEEEE
>>143267669
he's becoming generic desu
>>143264513
>ever since the chapter where the party got their special items berserk has been pretty much Lord of the Rings. It all went downhill from there.
Berserk began to go downhill after Chapter 118.
EVERYTHING from Chapter 126 - Chapter 307 was just "Griffith comes back and gets everything he ever wanted". Was this really needed? Hell no. Griffith should have stayed in the Astral World with the other Godhands.
Some fans say that the Black Swordsman / Lost Children story arcs were "too repetitive" or "too much like Fist Of The North Star" but so what. These story arcs were good. It was the only logical thing for Guts to do after the Eclipse.
The other big problem in Berserk after chapter 118 are all these child characters. NOBODY wants to see annoying kids in a story for adults.
Isidro is an annoying little shit who is not funny or interesting.
Schierke, a loli witch who has a crush on Guts, was a dumb idea from the start.
This new girl Isma is about as interesting as a cardboard cutout.
Berserk has turned into a goddamn shonen after the Conviction arc and the new chapter that was just released a day ago is a perfect example.
>miura just wants to do a fun fantasy adventure story with no gore or rape
>none of the fans want that and scream for more violence and rape
being miura must be suffering
>>143266923
>since 2001
Jesus christ has it really been that long
>>143267478
Youre being delusional.
>>143267879
Not sure if this is pasta, but I wholeheartedly agree.
Miura should have Hamada help him get better at digital
>>143267249
digital
>>143267294
this one is not digital though
>>143263859
loli witch butts arc is best
>>143267339
Why doesn't Puck have a dick?
DRAWING USING TABLETS STILL REQUIRES HUMAN HANDS YOU FUCKING TRADITIONAL MORONS.
>>143267915
>fun fantasy adventure
Yeah too bad its fucking garbage. Farnese and Serpico are the only good additions he's made in nearly 20 years.
The war, Mozgus and Griffith/Fauconia are the only worthwhile chapters in a long while.
If the next chapter is some pirate/Isidro/Witch academy chapter I'm going to puke
>>143267879
I'd say Griffith coming back was necessary to the plot. But Griffith getting everything he wants being the focus of like 50 chapters isn't
I think that direction Berserk goes makes sense but there are too many useless characters 24/7 and there is no build up.
Guts has been hammered with "either Casca or revenge, choose" since Eclipse by Skull Knight and he seems to mellow oit to choose Casca and just forget Griffith.
But...the tonal shit is way too jarring, people don't even die anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVjSUgZ_khc
good digital
I really hope that Behelit is going to be used by either Serpico or Ishidoro.
There has to be a pay off with it.
>>143263859
I picked up Berserk about a year ago, and have grown incredibly attached to it, but I have to agree- the last chapter, the character designs felt a bit off, like the author's investment dropped heavily...
Miura has pulled a Simpsons on us, its been bad longer than its been good
I feel that Miura had Eclipse 2.0 in mind when Guts got his JRPG party but now he just wants fun stuff and end this shit.
Guts heals Casca.
They stay in elfland.
Griffith unites whole world as best king ever.
Fin.
>>143268440
>the character designs felt a bit off
Miura is a little like Araki, he never really mastered drawing people to be quite frank. He still assembles them like doll joints.
>>143268595
I absolutely love how Guts was drawn from his duel with Serpico to the Sea god, I don't understand why the sudden downgrade in details and expressions... Even when Guts gave an apathetic vibe, I felt something. Now it just seems lazy.
>>143268319
I think that Guts will live in peace for a while but then Griffith is going to come back and screw him over.
I've been enjoying the lighter tone but I know that things will take a turn for the worse eventually.
Guts is just mature now that's all. He's basically a family man now, fighting fate and his inner rage.
>>143268595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-9IP_zn6zs
he didn't reach this level yet.
>>143268840
He's just been on a boring mission for 180 chapters. Escort the bitch from point A to point B.
It's not really more "mature" than what he did during, say, Lost Children, hunting Apostles was actually better for the greater good than focusing on Casca.
>>143268915
There's plenty of battle shonen manga to entertain you then.
>>143268840
Basically like the new God of War game
>>143268259
this, i think its pretty much impossible to discuss berserk on /a/
>>143268915
Honestly, would hunting apostles one by one even make sense at this point?
>>143269014
No, it would be pretty worthless since Griffith's got an army of them.
>>143268273
YEAH! GO EDGELORDS!
>>143268369
What are you implying?
>>143267879
While I don't agree with most of what you said, I completely agree about Griffith. I think that him coming back was necessary to the plot, since without that he wouldn't achieve what he wanted (Falconia), despite being a part of the God Hand. What definitely was NOT needed is countless chapters of "look how cool griffith is he did all this by himself". Especially introducing Sonia which is by far the worst child character introduced, even worse than Narut- Isidro.
I'd also add that for all the mysticism with the God Hand, them just fucking disappearing forever since black swordsman doesn't make much sense for me. You'd think they would do more but they have not impacted anything at all, with the most they did after that being Slan materializing out of troll guts to troll Guts.
I'm sure when the current arc is done we'll go back to Conviction tier plot but for now all we can do is wait, at least they're explaining the lore instead of just cool doublepage illustrations showing off how pretty and cool Griffith and his minions are.
>>143268704
I think it annoys him too much.
>Berserk
>gets the literal berserker armor hundreds of chapters in
Leaves a bad taste afterwards. Pic related is why the manga is called that. The armor also takes away the tension, as he was visibly always on the physical edge in his battles. You cringed with every hit he took, but it felt even more earned when he overcame it.
>>143269014
It only made sense from the perspective that Guts was absolutely mad and was trying to take out his frustrations. Then it blew back when he realized that he abandoned Caska and she was wondering all alone.
>>143267669
Not that the right one have anything for it as a color work anyway, it looks good because of the lines.Miura is just generally bad at coloring.
>>143269132
>I'm sure when the current arc is done we'll go back to Conviction tier plot but for now all we can do is wait, at least they're explaining the lore instead of just cool doublepage illustrations showing off how pretty and cool Griffith and his minions are.
Honestly, I expected Elfheim to be some peaceful place according to how Puck described it after the Conviction arc.
>>143269170
Well, on the other hand, he was knocked out of commission after a fight due to the injuries it inflicted. So far it's still Guts saves the day, but I think I see the other characters have to do more and more as Guts is left incapacitated by the armor.
>>143267212
A-anon?
>>143269202
I think there's some real shit coming soon. There was a prophecy about Puck leaving Elfheim that the old mage guy mentioned, I think it's likely that Griffith will find Elfheim.
The only thing I'm hoping is that Griffith fucks up Elfheim for the same reason he fucked up the old witch's place.
We get to see some good ol rape n gore, Guts goes in rage again, Caska is forever doomed being a retard (or heals with the help of the mysterious kid/other Deus Ex Machina), Guts starts fucking shit up again and plot actually advances.
If this or something similar doesn't happen, I willkeep reading while still being dead inside
>>143263859
This manga sounds like I cut my self everytime I turn the page. It has too many edges
>>143268949
Battle shonen aren't the only stories where other stuff happen than "escort someone during 60% of the story". Golden Age isn't a battle shonen, but it's almost unanimously praised for great character development, engaging plot, bloody battles with awesome art, and of course the 12/10 conclusion. Lost Children and Conviction convey all these qualities into a new, much darker setting, so even if the mood isn't exactly the same as in the Golden Age, it's still Berserk.
But after the troll arc? Witches pop up (it can work storywise, okay), with tons and tons of exposition, Guts' quest become stale, he develops a bit here and there but mostly stop doing relevant things (other than kill monster X). Even when he kill a monster, he mostly uses the armor so it doesn't mean anything, he just ... kills stuff, it's not like, say, when he tanked Rosine's spear piercing his mouth or sent Mozgus to heaven.
There are still a few highs, like Guts vs Kushan commander because he got to trashtalk people (one of his finest skills to be fair), but most of the time he's just like "gotta go there" "gonna destroy those monsters" "having comrades again is nice" (something he found out in a couple of volumes in Golden Age/Lost Children isn't enough to justify 10 volumes of group shenanigans)
tl;dr : Berserk lost a lot of its charm after Conviction.
>>143269202
Well you're correct, because that is exactly what Puck said. They were on a trip to a paradise, and right now people are complaining that they're in a paradise. It's utterly stupid.
A lot of people complain that Berserk isn't edgy anymore, and "wahhh wheres my rape", but seem to be incapable of understanding that right now we're on a healing arc, with Guts finally being more comfortable around people and the crew finally being able to catch a break from nonstop apostle hunting. Hell if we go back around 10 chapters or so we see it's still as brutal everywhere else, the only reason it's not brutal right now is because it's fucking Elfhelm, considered a goddamn paradise island, at one point referred to as an utopia, and the biggest proof being that it's unmapped and can only be visited by someone who's already been there.
>>143269014
>>143269184
When Griffith wasn't on Earth, it made sense. Guts easily saved hundreds of lives just by killing Rosine.
Now that they're all gathered in an army, it's kinda pointless, only the Godhands matter in the long run.
>>143263859
I hope they skip the rape scene in the anime. I don't want to see that gay shit
>>143269170
This.
>you're breaking my bones, but I'm stabbing your eyes
>>143264796
we Gantz nao
>>143269190
right is more fit for Berserk and its setting and the generic digital art.
>>143269364
It's more about the details, really. In the raw, people thought Isidro did a pervert joke (he didn't, so it's acceptable). Also
>slut witch doesn't add anything to the plot
>even if she did we didn't need a stupid fight with her doll
>cute girls everywhere
>not a single adult outside of that old master cliche
>Puck always in chestnut form doing comical relief every page
That's too much
>>143269341
Spot on, Troll Extermination marked the part when it stopped being about a human fighting monsters with just his wits and tenacity and became a story about a protagonist fighting monster with the help of magic armor and sorcery.
>>143269170
>takes away the tension
No it doesn't. Not only is it impossible for Guts to beat Griffith without SOMETHING to help him, Guts actually using the berserker armor is way worse than using just a regular armor, as it completely fucks up his body way more than if he just jumped on an apostle with his sword.
It's not a deus ex machina at all, and even skull knight told him that if he doesn't get his shit together he'll end up fucked by the armor completely, which is even more tense than possibly getting fucked over in a fight, since now he's destroying his body and has to be careful to not go too far.
Everyone lately keeps parroting "Berserker armor is bad! It ruins the tension!" when not only is it needed but it's also a lot more tense, since it requires Guts to NOT go berserk. Just because Berserk is the title doesn't mean that's how the protagonist has to be 24/7.
>>143269612
I agree about the slut witch, totally unneeded. I don't mind the loli witches everywhere because that's how witches are. Absolutely hate that Puck has been in chestnut form for the past god knows how many chapters, it's not comical relief anymore, it's just distracting.
>>143269394
It's also a pointless endeavor because there's a lot more than just apostles running around killing everyone now.
The only reason to go after the apostles now is to complete his vengeance but Guts seems tired of that shit.He needs a reminder.
To be honest that digital art of his isnt bad, its pretty great actually, does this board genuinely hates berserk or what
>>143269673
it's good but not that goood enough to match the traditional one.
>>143269629
>evolution
He's actually devolving.
>>143269697
>the last two
Jesus, I never realized how bad it had gotten
>>143269663
The armor by itself would be okay. It fucks his body and mind up.
The Deus Ex Machina thing is armor + loli witch
Who cares if the armor fucks him up if the witch is there to heal/save his mind?
Killand rape in any orderthe witch and we're back on good times
>>143269692
The traditional one is better, yeah but I dont understand all the hatred in this thread. Its still captures Berserk spirit, I guess its pointless to even talk about, since everyone is circlejerking anyway
>>143269663
>impossible for Guts
>to beat the Count
>to beat Rosine
>to beat Mozgus
>to beat Zodd
>to kill 100 enemies while wounded
>to survive the Eclipse
That's the point of the entire manga, Guts a normal human, beating impossible odds
Guts is now basically just a bodyguard protecting the loli while she blows everything up with magic.
>>143269663
This. Wearing the Berserker armor is dangerous. It was originally meant to be a suicide armor used by dwarves, and it's practically a host for Guts' rage.
It also gives an opening for relationship building with Schierke and Guts.
>>143269673
Berserk is one of the most beautiful manga ever created and his hand-drawn art is awesome. With the digital way, he can't use his 30 years experience in traditional drawing and makes beginner shit. This can't happen in Berserk
>>143269663
How does Berserker armor add anything?
>if the enemy is weak, Guts will not go Berserk and kill him quickly, so you don't care much about that fight
>if the enemy is strong, Guts will go Berserker, which means he'll spend the 3 next chapters in bed. He'll beat his enemies doing whirlwinds and jumping around as he doesn't feel pain anymore. If Guts isn't in his Berserker armor and takes hits, it's okay, because he can activate the Berserker armor to start fucking up people when situation gets critical. If Guts takes hits in his Berserker armor, it's okay, because he doesn't feel pain thus isn't slowed down by his enemies attacking him, and not because he's really mad and wants their head, thus ignoring the pain, but just because he has a magical artifact
>>143269697
All of these are fine.
Digital Guts like the covers posted up above is absolutely disgusting though
>>143269758
He used Puck to heal him before the witch. It took her a month to do it.
>>143269772
>. It was originally meant to be a suicide armor used by dwarves, and it's practically a host for Guts' rage.
Except all of that was removed by Schierke controlling the armor and turning Guts into Batman
Having Guts battle the armor so he doesn't murder everyone in his party was the interesting bit, now it's just a power-up
>>143269697
That's not that bad. Whenever people complain about the art they post Guts instead of the awful big cat eyes Miura's giving all the girls.
>>143269758
>wanting Schierke to die/get raped
I hope you die or get raped, anon. It's obvious that there will be one moment where Guts won't be able to count on Schierke or Moonlight Cunt, she's only there to show him there's a way to use it without losing his mind.
>>143269766
Jesus christ I'm not saying impossible to beat Apostles, I'm saying impossible to beat Griffith. It's shown clearly that Guts can't even get close to Femto without being blown the fuck away. He needed SOMETHING to even step up to the Godhand, let alone Griffith. The odds are much higher than they were during the Golden Age, especially after worlds merging, how can you not see that?
>>143269697
[14-24] is the best.
>>143269766
The point of the manga is for Guts to find comrades and heal his wounded soul. He needs an army to beat Griffiths army.
>>143269697
I like modern Guts.
>>143269341
>lost children
>darker
Are you serious? I've literally just got past lost children and the constant shitty attempts at humour are really putting me off. Puck's chibi-ish form is fucking dumb and the whole "my dad comes and rapes me at night but he's not actually that bad I love my family" ending was shit.
It doesn't need to maintain the edge levels of golden age where literally every person that fights casca tries to fuck her, but it doesn't need the tone ruining humour either. And you guys are telling me it gets worse?
I just want more best girl
>>143269850
>how can you not see that?
I can see that but I value a good story over idiotic power-levels where Guts needs to go on a quest to hit level 100 so he can challenge the Endboss of the game
>>143269934
She was better looking ten years ago.
Conviction was just far too awesome, Falcon of the Millenium had no chance to stand up to it.
Conviction had Rosine and Mozgus. Serpico and Farnese. Isidro back when he was tolerable. It was also the edgiest part other than Black Swordsman yet nowhere near as tryhard.
I think witches are a nice addition. They don't mean the manga loses its edge. Right after Schierke was introduced we got the rape cave of the trolls. We just have to see what they do and what happens to them.
>>143268406
Has it even been shown lately? Guts has had it since the fight with the Count, right? There's a good chance Miura forgot about it if it hasn't been referenced at all lately.
>>143269988
Puck is in charge of it.
>>143269930
>my dad comes and rapes me at night but he's not actually that bad I love my family
That didn't happen. Jill only understood she had to fight her own battle, which was in her village and not following a branded swordsman.
Puck only gets more chibi-ish.
Also, yes, Lost Children is darker than most of the Golden Age, which consisted of winning battles and killing unlikeable political opposants. Guts is fucked up, Rosine is fucked up, Jill is fucked up, children get burned/raped/whatever.
>>143269942
Except this time it's emotions, not just "I HAVE TO SWING MY SWORD MORE", like the entirety of Golden Age and even Conviction. Guts HAS to control himself and stop being so angsty if he wants to get to Godhand without being completely broken by the armor before that. I do want to know what the fuck the god hand is doing though. You'd figure they'd have more influence after things getting merged but we've been shown nothing.
>>143269930
It gets a LOT better, and then it gets stale for a while. Conviction is usually regarded as the best arc after the Eclipse, for very good reason.
>>143269341
>Guts' quest become stale
As someone who started reading Berserk after all the hubbub of him getting off the boat, I think it's interesting how the weight of the story has shifted. Like Skull Knight said, Guts is now choosing to 'protect' instead of 'seek revenge', and he, his group and their quest are now passive participants in the bigger story that is Berserk, where the main focus has been on Griffith's side since his reincarnation in the Conviction arc finale. Griffith wins the war for Midland against the Kushan; Guts passively feels the consequences as he fights some Kushan forces while traveling to whatever destination he's heading to. He's not an active participant in the events of this war, though. Griffith ends the war and Ganishka's defeat initiates the presumably-part-of-Griffith's-endgame-goals event that is the World Transformation; Guts feels the consequences and fights some monsters on his sea voyage. However, Guts has now reached the next BIG destination that's been foreshadowed for a long time as a potential turning point since it might mean something for Casca's character. Plus we have Rickert's story thread to develop as well. It's just an agonizingly slow wait for any of these story setups to pay off.
>>143270051
>Guts HAS to control himself
No he doesn't he has the loli-witch control his emotions for him
>>143269992
One of the people he has to fight is himself.
I'm fine the whole papa gutsu and his band thing, but i feel disappointed thats its become one piece in the sense that its all about waiting for guts to show up and win.
Sure hes given up but i don't want the ride to end like this
>>143267879
>story for adults
lol
Call me an edgelord all you want, Berserk was only good when it was filled with horrible death and disgusting creatures being disgusting.
The fun part was seeing all that horrible shit happen. All the freaking gore and violence and people dying from monsters/deranged politics and women being raped, human nature at its purest mixed with unholy creatures that really do look like they came straight off Hell, that's what made it good, don't fucking deny it.
When you introduce all these friendly characters and "downtime" you ruin it. It just becomes a shonen-like, and everyone with a brain knows that shonen is the bottom of the fucking barrel of storytelling. Berserk should have stayed "Guts VS the world". Miura can keep that piece of shit Puck around if he really wants to give himself a laugh, but Guts's suffering and his constant lashing out against the evil, disgusting world and the evil, disgusting race that is humanity that as a whole always has the hidden potential to become a horrible demon was done splendidly and it should have remained the focus of the series.
>>143270072
>It's just an agonizingly slow wait for any of these story setups to pay off.
this the actual reason for the bitching, not the "story getting stale". children simply cannot be patient.
>>143270084
Can you really not see how much it's being foreshadowed that Guts needs to do it on his own? Schierke is there to show him there is a way to use it without losing his mind, but it's very clear that one day he'll have to do that himself, whether because Schierke's not there or because Guts has been taken away. Especially since this entire arc has been about Guts calming down and thinking before acting, since the stakes are higher for everyone now. If you can't see that you might have to reread the last two arcs, because it's being foreshadowed for quite some time.
>>143270180
Seconding this
idolm@ster killed Berserk
>>143270139
Guts has to cause some fucking mayhem for the people of Falconia.
>>143270072
Yeah, it's also because of the slow releases, but it was too drawn out. Compared to the Golden Age and its flawless pacing, Lost Children's shortness and brutality, Tower of Conviction's huge stakes, it can't stand. Should have toned down a bit the Griffith fanclub part, it looked really good but it was just mostly action. Pretty much the opposite of Golden Age. And action isn't as endearing when it's just one side roflstomping the other because godpowerslol
>>143270198
>Can you really not see how much it's being foreshadowed that Guts needs to do it on his own?
Whatever, you are so invested that anything I say will be ignored.
Batman mode shits on the whole "Berserk" part of the armor and it's just plain magical armor now
>>143270180
Maybe you can ask Miura if that was his intention.
>>143270180
the edge is only good because of the contrast with the human sides; there's a reason berserk is popular instead of pure edge manga
>>143270226
>it looked really good but it was just mostly action. Pretty much the opposite of Golden Age. And action isn't as endearing when it's just one side roflstomping the other because godpowerslol
This.
>>143270279
I'm serious, it really has been foreshadowed for quite some time. You just seem to want Guts to completely break himself and become Skully 2.0 instead of having to control himself when using the armor. Just because it's called Berserker Armor doesn't mean he has to be Berserker Mode the entire time, even Skull Knight told him that if he does that he'll fuck everything up.
>>143270279
Magical armor that will eat you and drain your blood as it did Gaiseric described during the Golden Age arc prior to the eclipse.
>>143270051
>Guts HAS to control himself and stop being so angsty if he wants to get to Godhand without being completely broken by the armor before that
But that's lame. I'm reading a story about a guy who lost all of his comrades in the most gruesome way you could imagine, lost an arm and survived just because he was so angry he kept stabbing the monsters who killed his friends using whatever he could find. A guy who wants revenge and is, understandably, really really angry about what happened. Most readers share that frustration.
And now, he has to stop feeling anything toward the culprit? Because he's already calm, so that's the next step.
>pretending Berserk is still the same quality after the Sea God arc
>>143270328
Dumb idiot, the edge IS the human sides.
What you call the "human sides" is kiddy fairy tale stuff about friendship and trust above all that Miura suddenly grew a boner for.
Humanity is fucked up by nature. Humans are violent predators more than we are social creatures.
>>143270370
>arc
no, it's part of Fantasia Arc and we're still on Fantasia Arc. Do you get it?
>>143270183
Spreads showing friendly monsters beating the sandniggers and paragraphs of exposition made the story agonizingly slow. Golden Age is only 2/3 of the length of what happened after Conviction, but at least twice more things happened in it. Miura keeps fucking around with irrelevant things.
>>143270328
The reason Berserk is popular IS because of the pure edge from Black Swordsman and Golden Age.
>edge, edgy
Overused meme word. I'm seeing it in every fuking thread nowadays.
>>143270180
I disagree. "Guts vs the world" would have gotten stale, too. LOL GUTS WINS. Now it's upped it, Guts has vulnerable people to care for, people who can't just carry a bigass sword and slash everything away. And ever since the end of the Kushan invasion, Guts has decided that he'd rather protect than war. And as >>143270072 explained, it's a buildup to the climax, especially if what some people are saying is true and this is going to be the final arc of Berserk.
>>143270426
>arguing semantics
Chapter then dickwad
>>143270404
Then why the fuck did Puck describe Elfheim as peaceful? Everybody was already dead during the Seagod arc. Seagod already ate them all.
>>143270453
+ the fuking amazing drawing
>>143270358
It's not "stop feeling anything", it's controlling his urges as much as possible. It's already been shown in the very first arc that just being mad will get him destroyed by Femto with 0 effort, and the cunt has fate on his side, Guts needed something to go against him, and instead of getting a super shonen Power x100 device, he got an armor that increases his resistance but also breaks his body. He HAS to control his anger at least until he gets to actually fight the Godhand, otherwise he'll just fuck up his body so much that by the time he's able to fight Griffith he might not even be able to walk.
Let's not forget that the only reason Guts is "calm" right now is because he has absolutely no idea about what's going on in the outside world. He doesn't know about Falconia, he doesn't know about what happened to Rickert, he doesn't know about all the apostles ganging up into an actual army, and he sure as fuck will be raging mad when he finds out. But for now he has to work on himself, and not waste his body until he absolutely has to, otherwise he'll be in shambles before even getting close to revenge.
>>143270453
Golden Age was nowhere near as edgy as you're making it sound. Other than the Eclipse.
Conviction was much edgier. And the best arc.
>>143270506
>and instead of getting a super shonen Power x100 device
That's literally what he got
And a fucking mage to cast fireballs for him
>>143270404
>Humanity is fucked up by nature. Humans are violent predators more than we are social creatures.
That's a very arbitrary thing to say, and it depends a lot on the context. Today, most people live in peace and don't even get into a fight for their whole life (or maybe one or two).
>>143270535
Not it fucking isn't. It doesn't give him Power x100, it ups his resistance at the cost of his human body's limits when he stops using it. If he keeps using it he'll be fucked and crippled before he's able to do anything.
Schierke's magic is probably inefficient against the Godhand too, unless she learns some new trick.
>>143270467
Well, people don't want a manga about Guts caring for people.
Take one good look at this thread and you'll realize the majority of Berserk readers want angry fucking Guts carrying a bigass sword and slashing everything away, myself included.
Doesn't matter if you think it would be stale, you're the minority.
>>143263859
Berserk is getting pushed harder now than it ever has in the past 10 years. He's obviously ramping up to finish it for good.Right?
Unlimited Lines work
>>143263859
Do people really think the quality changed that drastically? The tone is different but I still enjoy it immensely. If anything I like the contrast.
>>143270586
Well you have to put up with the fact that what Miura wants and what you want might be two different things.
>>143270578
>Schierke
>anything against Godhand
She can't even properly seal Guts's brand like the old witch did
>>143270578
>If he keeps using it he'll be fucked and crippled before he's able to do anything.
Just like every shonen protag has that one ability that "If he keeps using THAT it will shorten his lifespan"
>>143270506
>It's not "stop feeling anything", it's controlling his urges as much as possible
He's already done that. He's protecting Casca and leading her to Elfhelm instead of running after Griffith, so he can control his urge of revenge to instead do other stuff. Just look at him, he's a fucking family man now. Stays calm, attacks people whenever he has to protect, waits for the boat to get to Elfhelm.
The next step would be "stop feeling anything bad toward Griffith" and it's pretty dumb unless you want to do some Boudha stuff
>>143270404
>the edge IS the human sides
That's the animal side coming from the simple reptilian brain we share with lesser animals. It usually gets less intense as people mature. And he's been showing it since Golden Age.
Miura didn't suddenly get a boner. He's doing a thing called "character progression". Guts isn't alone anymore, he has several people he now cares about under his wing, and he's had people he thought of significant since the start. Such as Griffith and Caska.
>>143270541
Look at today's society and seriously tell me humanity isn't lacking in violence.
We're suppressing our instincts to prey upon the weak. We are predatory animals, we need violence and war. We have to want to kill things in order to be healthy. Society is going to collapse sooner of later from all the hippie leftist bullshit trying to suppress humanity's violent nature.
>>143270635
Except this time it's been shown to have real consequences, and not some shit like YYH Hiei's "IF I USE MY SECRET TECHNIQUE I'LL HURT MY ARM OWIE". Of all the things in Berserk to complain about, complaining than an armor that can kill the user has no flaws is absolutely retarded.
>>143270690
>Except this time it's been shown to have real consequences
Yeah he slept on the ship for a few chapters, woho.
>>143270685
So it's the power of friendship
Great.
>>143270586
Speak for yourself. I like the new Papa Guts. Several others do. And this isn't a story written by the bandwagon, it's by Miura. If you want a battle shonen, read battle shonen. You can read a few between chapters, too.
Gonna be honest here, I feel like Berserk is at it's shittiest right now. I still like it, but it's just... not Berserk right now.
But I still believe we will go back to the classic Berserk, one way or another. Even if it wasn't as cruel and rape-filled as before, I think he can go close to the roots.
I really wish something fucked up happens to Isidro, Schierke and that one new girl. I don't care if they don't die, just... something. They feel left out of the world Guts lived through.
>>143270685
Who cares, it's still shit and it's ruined a once great manga.
>>143270689
What's going on on this thread? i thought i were on /pol/ for a seconde.
>>143270777
Because the loner fighting friends and choosing to protect them is not the #1 shonen trope
>>143270719
>Skull Knight says it
>It's been shown to consume and kill the user if they overuse it
>Armor broke his bones
>Guts isn't even conscious for days every time he uses it
>His skin is all ripped apart
>His nerves don't feel things as much as they did
But go ahead, pretend that it has no consequences and it's a deus ex machina just to have a "reason" to shit on it.
>>143270792
All the people calling each other edgy summoned the actual, unironic edgelords.
>>143270586
Guts cared for people during Lost Children and Conviction. He didn't have a JRPG squad for that. And even the JRPG squad wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact it's there since 15 vols now, which is huge, and Guts barely gets interesting screentime now.
Guts caring for people is done a lot better in ""edgy"" arcs than peaceful ones. A peaceful arc will show comical reliefs do silly stuff, and at some point Guts will say "feels nice". An edgy arc will show Guts running in the forest, crying and hopeless, thinking about his comrades and dying inside. That's how you do it;
>>143270777
>Several others do
You're still the minority, retard.
Berserk is sold for profit. Everything sold for profit needs to do a little pandering to increase sales.
>>143264513
Did you just say that Lord of the rings was irredeemable shit?
>>143270824
The count's daughter tidbit was 10/10, too
>>143270758
>Caring about people is power of friendship
>>143270824
And for the record, I'm referring to the post-Eclipse scene where he realizes what happened.
>>143270758
>reducing arguments to simple cliches
Alright, you win. Feel free to complain. All I can say is that I'm glad you're not writing.
>>143270870
It is, though.
I don't mind guts being in a group instead of by himself.
I just fucking hate the current party.
>tfw he'll never be in a competent team that isn't majorly kids again
>>143270859
>"ur still teh minorety i wan rape rape rape!! we humsns r ev1l!!! and UNREDEEMABEL!!!! wer supa evil n violent!!!"
Summer's in full swing.
>>143270859
Not him, but this conversation was about quality, so I don't know where the fuck profit comes into it. It makes profit either way, anyway.
>>143270689
That's really arbitrary, again. If the society hasn't collapsed despite most people spending their whole life not killing, then it probably means we don't need to kill to be.
>>143270859
Am I? How do I know you're not in the minority? And even if it is sold for profit, it doesn't mean that he can't have creative direction. Read something else if you want edgelord slaughters everything.
>>143270902
At least it looks like Farnese is about to become useful and not just Casca's fucking babysitter. I just wish Serpico would get more fight screentime since shitting wind all over the place and the duel with Guts.
>>143270824
The best part is that during the Conviction arc, caring for people came at a cost. Hesitaiting multple times and failing to kill Rosine for instance.
It was all very organic and natural.
>>143270818
Those consequences are irrelevant when they have no long term affects and blown over in a few chapters.
Guts definitely isn't dying just from that either unless you're retarded.
>>143270824
And he was fighting a lowly apostle, not the Demon God himself that he couldn't even be near from the very start.
>>143270988
Right, remember when the old witch lady came back after she was set on fire along with her tree?
>>143270792
It's a Berserk thread, there's always some crossboard shits you have to ignore.
>>143271064
The funny thing is she literally did come back to life 5 minutes after she was set on fire.
>>143271064
Or how the loli was almost torn in half by spooky mask man just a few chapters ago.
Right now things are just a bit more peaceful, that wont last forever
>>143270779
>I really wish something fucked up happens to Isidro, Schierke and that one new girl
I get where your coming from, but I don't think a second eclipse like event is necessary. I guess I'm one of the few anons who enjoy the lighter tone of the new group. Although I'm sure we will get plenty of Guts suffering when it's time for Casca to get healed. I guarantee something is going to go wrong either with the process itself, or the aftermath with Casca remembering the Eclipse and freaking the fuck out out.
With the new TV series, the game and Miura moving to digital, I think he's trying to push through to the finish line. Though I'm worried he's losing interest in this series. The gap between Guts and Griffith is way too big right now. And I think that any attempt at closing it too fast will come off as a sort of deus ex machina.
Pfft niggas still read this whack shit?
Claymore way more raw than this kiddy wannabe dark fantasy manga.
>>143270859
Even if you're not worth anything, do you think you'd still kill yourself if I got enough people to tell you to do it?
>>143270988
>no long term affects and blown over in a few chapters
Did you forget Guts mentioning his senses have been off ever since he started using the armor? And how him being unconscious for days makes him completely open to being attacked by any apostle? If Guts fucks up in a fight he's fucked for days with the Berserker armor, even with Puck's healing semen sprinkled all over his body.
>>143270824
>Guts caring for people is done a lot better in ""edgy"" arcs than peaceful ones. A peaceful arc will show comical reliefs do silly stuff, and at some point Guts will say "feels nice". An edgy arc will show Guts running in the forest, crying and hopeless, thinking about his comrades and dying inside. That's how you do it;
So basically you want it to be dark or else you don't like it?
I love the summertime!
>>143269697
I'm just glad he controlled his chin.
>>143270982
Yeah. Guts had to compromise against adversity, like throwing away his good morals to destroy a monster. That's a lot more substance than "feels good bro".
Berserk lacks revenge, recently. I'm not saying edgy "I want to kill Griffith no matter what" revenge is the way, but just choosing to erase what happened and the deaths of so many good men isn't an answer either. And the last time we had Guts thinking about Griffith, it was when he asked Zodd where he was and pussied out. Did he do that because he was wounded and it would have gone terribly wrong for him and his comrades, or because, as some people say, he chose to "protect" for the rest of his life? If it's the second option as I fear, then I'm really not a fan.
can someone link me to the new chapter please?
>>143270777
That should be his reward at the end of the series. Simply settling down with Casca. I'm expecting something fucked up to happen before all that though.
>>143271132
I'd be reading Bastard! if it wasn't on hiatus
>>143271233
So do I, anon.
>>143270824
That was one of the best moments I can remember in the manga. I don't think it was due to the edge itself, the message after all contains a bit bitter but hopeful, life is a struggle; but it is not hopeless.
>>143263859
Did you morons forget all hell breaking loose when Griffith merged the worlds, with the cockatrices and other Astral beings devouring everyone, and the only way to live safely in the craphole now is under a false utopia? How is this any less edgy than before, Golden age wasn't even edgy minus the eclipse and Wyald.
>>143270988
Every time he uses the armour spooky dog monster gets stronger, he spends intervals without the armour bedridden, his hands shake.
>>143270808
Honestly, that blacksmith has been scolding him over leaving Casca behind since before the Tower arc.
>>143271077
And then died after a final attack.
>>143271113
I think it's natural character progression. He always cared for Caska, and as time went on, he got people he needed, both in the actual sense and the sense that he became see them as a sort of comrade or family.
>>143270824
He always cared for Caska, though. This was when he decided that he wanted revenge over caring for who he loved, and then he paid for it when she wandered off and was almost executed for being a witch. The rest of his squad came in because he needed them, they wiggled themselves in, or came in when he was already softening up. Puck even remarked about how novel it was for him to take in companions.
>>143271267
Bastard is fucking shit, though. It's literally just some edgelord's D&D fantasies, the manga.
>muh grimdark and edge
The story's about Band of the Hawk, its shattering, and how Guts and Griffith recreate the Band in the image of what it meant to them.
Guts is creating a home, a family. Griffith is creating a legion of loyal killers worshiped as heroes, a conquering army to fulfill his ambitions.
Guts was always going to get over his loner phase, the comfy atmosphere of the camp scenes in Golden Age were always gonna return. Even in the Black Swordsman arc they dropped a shitload of hints that Guts wasn't as much of a hardass that he portrays himself as, that he pushed people away for their sake and secretly longed for company.
>>143271301
>false utopia
Griffith keeps the monsters and apostles in check
He is literally God on EarthHe did literally nothing wrong
>>143271337
And before/at the start of Conviction he finally realized (again) that he always realizes whats important for him (Caska) after he loses it (leaving the Band/leaving her behind to kill shit)
>>143271342
>Bastard!
>edgy
Come on son
>>143271209
I don't want 15 vols with Isidro/Puck taking 50% of the screentime by doing bad comical relief and 50% of Griffith's cool boy's band. Guts is a lot more interesting when he's faced with actual adversity that involves something else than just swinging your sword the standard way, like tough choices, extremes measures to take to prevent something even worse, doubt, regret, anything.
As long as Guts with that retarded casca is still a thing then berserk will never be good again.
I remember reading this shit like 6 or 7 years ago and they were talking about casca actually being able to recover a bit and here we are and bitch is still dumb with no change.
Anyone who likes this shit probably only read it recently because of the anime.
I'm tired of this shit and dropped it until it ever ends.
![[UTW]_Fate_Zero_-_02_[BD][h264-1080p_FLAC][7FBA0660].mkv_snapshot_19.00_[2015.02.18_03.12.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x5rRHxT.jpg "[UTW] Fate Zero - 02 [BD][h264-1080p FLAC][7FBA0660].mkv snapshot 19.00 [2015.02.18 03.12.26]")
>>143263859
he's just building things up longer now before tearing them down.
>>143271276
The reason it's one of the best moments in the manga is because it comes right after Guts goes mad to kill Rosine, drenching himself in blood and running through fire, falling from insane heights and biting her antenna through his fucking cheeks, only to stop and tell this little girl that it can't be like that forever. That no matter what they do, he's followed by the horrors of the world and stuck on the battlefield forever due to apostles constantly being after him. It shows that while he is still very angry he still cares about innocent people and doesn't want anyone to fall into the same hole he's in.
"Take a look... at the darkness around me." is one of the best quotes of the entire manga for that reason. Guts is carrying everything on his back, and despite barely staying sane he still has it in him to protect the right people.
>>143271255
I think Casca might get a happy ending, while Guts sacrifices himself to giver her that ending. As much as I want the two of them to just settle down after all the shit fate has thrown at them, I'm pretty sure that we are going to get a bittersweet ending.
Is this pic related new?
So when's the next chapter?
inb4
>see you next time
>>143264513
This. I still don't understand how or why Gruebald is still fucking alive.
>>143271449
Makes sense, considering what Skull Knight wants. What she wants may not be the right or proper thing anyways. Not even the mentally ill can have everything they want.
>>143271509
End of July.
>>143266884
These are the type of fans who are attracted to Berserk for shallow cosmetic reasons pretty much, they don't actually care about the worldbuilding or characterizations and just want something edgy that they can masturbate to.
>>143271509
22 july
>>143271276
Guts' character is all about the struggle. It makes sense that scenes where he struggles or talk about the struggle are some of the best.
Also, as >>143271447 said, it showed a lot of reason and compassion in the toughness/madness he showed. How can you not love the guy after that?
>>143265000
Except we got Berserk chapters in 2015. And Gigantomakhia is also done in traditional style, that's just a fucking cover.
So es, you are an idiot.
>>143271253
Please guys, best I can find is this
http://imgur.com/a/RqyMD
>>143271447
>tell this little girl that it can't be like that forever.
I don't know, I think the point was in fact that the struggle is a constant, it never ends. The girl wanted a happy and peaceful ending, to escape from her shitty situation and have some hero save her. But that's not how it works. Yet that doesn't mean she needs to give up and continue living in fear either, she can stand up for herself. That's my interpretation anyway.
>>143266184
>>143266526
Oh man I really want shit to hit the fan in Falconia now
Come the fuck on Miura
Why no new chapters now that the anime debuts next week? He could do another 6 chapters this year like last year if he wasn't so fucking lazy. 1 chapter per two months. Is that too much to ask. Some mangaka give us 50-page chapters per month for fuck's sake.
He must have the whole story planned out by now.
I just want to see Morda sex scenes
>>143271541
Tell me how these 2 characters weren't ruined by joining the party.
I'll wait.
>>143271636
Just wait, last I heard evil-genius was waiting on better scans to translate than the piece of shit korean ones that have a stupid filter over it, making the lines look like shit.
Some anon posted a link to a shoddy translation on some online reader, but it had a lot of panels wrong and shit formatting.
>>143271683
You're right, it was a typo. What I meant is that he stopped to tell her that it doesn't end, and if she runs away with him she'll be caught up in the same unending struggle he's in. And that instead of running away and possibly ending up in a worse situation, she should stand up to it.
>>143271687
All that idolm@ster media won't consume itself, anon.
>>143271723
Serpico is a literally who
Conviction Farnese was top tier
Witch apprentice Farnese is cancer
>post yfweveryone is still alive even the Apostles and their victims, Donovan didn't actually rape Guts and only put him to sleep, the big battles were CG and it was all one big Truman show
>>143268406
Puck.
>>143271723
(Not that anon)
Farnese is actually developing as a character and accepting herself, but she's still useless. It looks like she'll be useful soon since she's learning magic but I've no idea when it'll come into play. I'm glad she faced her fears and seems to be learning from it though, but she really should be more proactive and not just a babysitter.
Serpico has been underused, I really wish they'd focus on him a bit more. Their dynamic has definitely improved though.
>>143271776
>"Griffith did nothing wrong" becomes a reality
>>143271723
I think you're first going to have to explain how they were. You aren't seriously going to tell me that tits-and-fire Farnese was better than development Farnese, are you?
>>143271828
Still think she could have developed and even dealt with her own issues and the order in her Church group after the conviction arc.
when puck, Farnese, serpico, Schierke and Isidro are going to die?
>>143272095
After you do.
>>143272095
>puck
Never
>farnese/serpico
When one of them needs development after the other's death.
>Schierke
Never
>Isidro
NEVER! BELIEVE IT!
I'm more hyped for the game than the anime. I'm obviously going to wait until it airs to judge, but from the trailers and Linden Films previous works, I'm not really feeling it. Especially with that atrociously animated S2 of Terra Formars.
They should have gotten studio MAPPA to do it instead. Their animation is gorgeous, escpically Shingeki no Bahamaut's.
>>143272238
>2d animation for Berserk
No thanks.
>>143272238
That's because the game doesn't look like it was made in blender by an art student in his first semesters of graphical design, like the upcoming show.
I actually hate this shit so much. I basically read through most of it in a single epic sitting, and I could just feel the quality go down. For those anons who have been following this for years, I have only the utmost pity.
>>143272493
No shit you don't like it, you fucking Mach 344 speedreader.
>epic
>>143272339
I'm pretty sure SnB had a good amount of 3D mixed with 2D in it. Sometimes it looked out of place, but for the majority of the times it was used, it blended together perfectly. Much better that that trailer that we got of Berserk.
>>143272493
epic post bro
>>143272493
>epic
>newfag who just read Berserk
Kill yourself.
WHAT THE FUCK DID HE DO TO CASCA
>>143272872
Idolmaster happened.
>>143272339
Why would you want 3D? Did you not see those movies? The best looking parts of the movie were entirely 2D. And the best looking parts in the trailer were 2Dish as well. Anything is better than this >>143272444.
>>143272872
>>143272999
This is painful to see this series slowly getting cannibalized, must be what simpsons fans felt like when the show started declining.
>>143272872
It's called vitiligo.
Is it really sad that most of discussion here about Berserk is whining than actual talking about plot, details and shit? This is worse than fucking reddit
>>143272872
If she ever gets her old personality back its going to be weird imagining this retard moe face with her old personality.
>>143273300
>that tongue
it wasnt fucking rape confirmed
>>143270824
Jill's dead isn't she?
>>143273386
No.
>>143273370
>vitiligo
Actualy, that is her lips.
>>143273386
There's a scene of her severed head in a later chapter.
>>143272493
>read 340 chapters in one sitting
Total horse hockey
I don't find the colouring that bad, but compared to traditional, it's like dogshit
>>143272872
Shit scanlation confirmed
>>143273868
>Gooks
>>143273868
I still am not a fan of how rounded the eyes have become in this series, but yeah this likes A LOT better.
>>143270988
He almost drowned during the Sea God arc.
>>143273616
No, there is a scene with a girl death by plague, that resemble her.
Stop.
>>143273868
Surprise surprise.
>>143274062
No anon. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
>>143272872
>>143273868
JESUS CHRIST
>koreans
>in charge of white washing brown characters
FUCKING GOOKS
>>143273868
Why the fuck do they ruin Miura's drawings? Do they convert it to digital?
>>143273868
Hurr hurr no!
Hurr hurr miura's assistants!
Hurr.
>>143274246
Don't forget the lines during the Rickert chapters were also fucked because of the piece of shit korean scan quality. It looked a lot better in the actual magazine.
Casca isn't black
>>143274470
I prefer the term "racially handicapped."
>>143269697
Miura seems to be using thicker, more brush stroke lines for shading faces now. He's also started giving Guts a weird, always shaded top lip.
>>143274470
Yeah, she's only tanned.
>>143274542
He's also using assistants to draw everything now.
>>143272493
You read ALL of it in one setting bet you took NO time to read it all or appreciate the art work.
His eyes are looking more doll like every day
Miura is a pedo and it is reflecting more and more each chapter.
>>143269992
The dog is Guts. There isn't two parts of him; both happy and berserk Guts are parts of him
>>143274588
I'm gratefull you're hidden under is desk, delivering this inside information to us.
>>143274668
Like there was any doubt
>>143274668
Idol M@ster released the seals holding in his loli fetish.
>>143269992
He's not lying. Dog God Guts would just slice the planet in half. The God Hand is weak shit in comparison.
>>143273252
Edgelords are problem. They always bitching about witches/lolis/"rpg" team/MUH RAPES DARKNESS etc. And then adequate people trying explain them why they're wrong. But edgelords don't listen and continue scream about MUH RAPES and lolis. Every fuckin thread
>>143274823
Actually, his favorite Idol is not a loli.
http://myanimelist.net/character/10369/Chihaya_Kisaragi
Let Guts have his moment of peace you faggots.
>>143275005
Maybe, but...
>>143274805
This erased my already solid suspicions when it was released.
>>143263859
>midlife
>>143275090
Yeh, I know.
>berserk isn't rape 100% time anymore
>sadface
>miura hack
oh look, its this thread again.
has a decent translation been released yet?
>>143264513
>has been pretty much Lord of the Rings
>irredeemable shit
>>143275411
Nope.
>>143265267
It was 3 chapters ago
Remember, they were on the boat for 7 fucking years
>>143274993
Alan Moore's character development is always rape. I mean look at what he did to Swamp Thing, so I'm sure he'd agree.
>>143267046
I bet he's gonna get pretty strong with the fire dagger
>>143263859
>So basically Miura's having a midlife crisis, right?
If it was a midlife crisis he would have increased the edginess.
>>143275490
>they were on the boat for 7 fucking years
Which in story wise, was only 40 or so odd chapters anyway
>>143267212
wtf are you talking about, puck has always been retarded
>>143275495
And he is criticized for it, same for Frank Miller writing edgy stuff with drug addicts.
>>143274668
There's a rumor that Kentaro Miura makes loli h-manga under the name Molokonomi
or
>>143267046
>nothing to comically give relief from
The sparse chapters and the waiting anon.
>>143275542
That's my point. In real time it was a long time ago, story wise it wasn't
>>143264513
Femeto * giffith is just a shell
>>143275192
Can you explain?
>>143275574
Why?
>mfw I enjoy the recent Berserk episodes just as much as I enjoyed the ones from Conviction and Golden Age
Feels good.
>>143267213
>>143267249
>>143267669
Oh god. It's painted in PS and blended with smudge tool. Someone tell me him about Painter/CSP. Where is his assistants? Why they don't tell him? He still using smudge tool right?
>>143269697
he looks fine, guts just looks like hes growing older
>>143275574
>There's a rumor
No. You full of bullshit.
>>143275871
How old is he really? Like 22?
>>143269697
He doesn't look like a 40 year old anymore, it's fine.
>>143267879
I think this is what worries me most. Griffith's new story.
The thing is, it could all still turn out great. There are great things about Falconia and really dubious things. It's great that Griffith has used the eclipse to become this bastion for good in the world. That's a nice counterpoint. Once chaos erupts, Griffith shows up to kind of take advantage of it. It's a really interesting way to utilize the events of the eclipse.
What's obviously dubious is that Griffith has basically gone from being this crazy other-worldly unknowable character to just being Griffith again. And while he always had some sort of mysterious shit going on beneath the surface, it feels like backpedaling.
I think the important thing will end up being how the whole Falconia situation is resolved with Griffith's position in the godhand. If the rest of the godhand just doesn't care, then that's obviously stupid. One possibility is that Griffith has overpowered the rest of the godhand and can do whatever he wants. That would certainly be interesting. Another is that he's going against the godhand and they'll all come and raze Falconia, which would also be interesting.
There's a possibility that Griffith has transcended Good and Evil. This would make sense thematically what with him bringing man and demon together in this new world. And that idea would also be super interesting. What he's doing isn't right or wrong, it's just the face of the new world.
And what about Guts? It's pretty obvious that his party just turned into LoTR, and that obviously flies in the face of what Berserk used to be, but I could be okay with it. I think a lot of it revolves around the degree of Casca / Guts suffering to come. And obviously Guts won't give a shit about Falconia, he's driven purely by revenge. But how long is he going to keep caring about that? Is he going soft? Once he fucks Casca up even worse than she is, will he blame Griffith for that or himself? Friendship or vengeance?
>>143275895
24, I think.
>>143263859
He should continue that wrasslin in space manga he made
>>143269697
Best Guts
>>143269170
> Berseker armor
It is called Berserk because that is Guts´ fighting style. Even Griffith points it out at one point.
" you are tying to get killed"
>>143269170
>The armor also takes away the tension
Hardly. That shit is eating him alive.
>>143275988
This is the best post in this garbage thread.
>There's a possibility that Griffith has transcended Good and Evil. This would make sense thematically what with him bringing man and demon together in this new world. And that idea would also be super interesting. What he's doing isn't right or wrong, it's just the face of the new world.
Cool concept, but I somehow doubt it. Miura makes us think that Griffith isn't bad now, but I think he is still a motherfucker who let Guts live just because there's a purpose to that. Of course he is not a mustache twirling villain, he has some depth and hidden agenda for sure
>>143275988
Griffith going back to being Griffith is a good thing. He always wanted his own country, that's what makes Griffith, Griffith.
He still lies and uses anyone to get to that goal
>>143276760
>lies
He never lied
>>143276789
Pretty sure when he sacrificed the whole Band, he broke a couple of promises
>>143276888
>he broke a couple of promises
>Your life is now mine, and I decide where you die
?
>>143276932
I don't remember him saying that
>>143277032
Except he said it to guts numerous times. He also never promised the other band anything. They just joined up because he was charismatic and said that he was going to start his own kingdom.
Which, in the end he did.
If it doesn't come falling down around him due to Guts, the series is going to be shit.
>>143274470
I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be Arab or at least an equivalent of a West Asia native.
>people still blaming idolm@ster for berserk hiatus
Will the butthurt never end
>>143276760
You just made me realize Griffith has not said a single thing in the manga that could be considered a lie to any of his comrades.
>>143275988
Griffith's duality comes from his vessel, aka Guts' child. He was an asshole when he was a full time god hand member back in blacked swordsman arc
>>143277167
MEME never die.
>>143277122
I assumed she was of gypsy descent.
>>143277222
>He was an asshole when he was a full time god hand member back in blacked swordsman arc
He was STILL butthurt kek
>>143277222
>I am free.
It seems like his human vessel has just gotten rid of any emotion entirely, except when Casca and Guts are involved, but even so, that might be because he's technically their kid now.
>>143275988
>. And obviously Guts won't give a shit about Falconia, he's driven purely by revenge.
On the contrary, he's given less and less importance to revenge. Paraphrasing/butchering his words: "I don't give a fuck about a pissing match between monsters." Right now, he has that literal inner demon, Caska, and his new party/family to take care of to care about getting revenge. As I see it, he's not going to do anything about Griffith until he forces his hand, probably through an invasion of Elfheim or some other means. Even if Guts stops caring about Griffith completely, Griffith will still see him as a threat and will likely start hounding him.
>>143277228
Maybe, but aren't gypsies nomadic? I remember Caska saying she was from a border village.
>>143277093
He also said that Guts could retake his freedom with his sword, which he did. Griffith didn't sacrifice a slave or an employee, but a friend who went very far to save his life despite not being obliged to.
>>143277333
If Griffith saw Guts as a threat, he would have killed him long time ago. Or maybe he cant do that because his vessel wont let him.
>>143277333
>Griffith will still see him as a threat
Reminder that Casca and Guts are still part of the sacrifices that Griffith made in order to get what he has now. They are still alive.
So, did he released a new chapter?
>>143277396
He's not sacrificed yet nigga.
Also there was that scene where Griff could squish Guts with his magic hand bullshit and yet didn't. Who knows why.
>>143277431
Didn't he have to squish Casca's son to be where he is now?
>>143277461
Even he didn't seem to know why.
Its fucking obvious that his feelings for Guts are conflicted still. He doesn't want him to die, but he revels in calling him garbage.
>>143277457
>Did he released
>released
Yes
>>143277333
Everyone says Guts forgot about revenge, but he didn't do anything Lost Children Guts wouldn't have done.
>Casca is gonna die if I don't take her to another place
>let's do that
>Apostle tells me to join him to fight Griffith
>why would I join an Apostle kek
>Zodd wants to fight me
>fuck off Zodd it's the third time and I'm almost dead
Actually, if he asked Zodd where Griffith was, that's because he wanted to chop him in half.
>>143277506
>Didn't he have to squish Casca's son
You mean, not squish?
Maybe. I'm not sure he knew that at the time though.
>>143277546
>he revels in calling him garbage
He did offer him a hand to join him again, purely for the sake of the dream. I think before the rebirth he was still quite butthurt over Guts wanting to leave him.
>>143269132
>What definitely was NOT needed is countless chapters of "look how cool griffith is he did all this by himself"
Didn't Miura reveal on a recent interview that Griffith was inspired on an old friend? That would explain it.
>>143277603
His new body probably gave him a new outlook.
If it means anything, there seemed to be a radical change in his personality when he went Femto mode in the Shiva tree thing.
He seemed a lot more arrogant, iirc, he was smirking the moment SK tried to strike him.
Griffith literally used his boipussy to please old men who will give him funds to build an army.
>>143277329
It's actually mixed in with his human vessel. The egg apostle has spent a long time carving out the brand of sacrifice in the mountains.
>>143277680
We read the mango...
>>143277680
Griffith is a huge faggot
>>143275626
"Pedo"
>>143277670
Well it's not like there hasn't been a precedent of people being emotionally charged while also being apostles. Makes sense really.
>>143277717
Griffith throw away his dream, sold the band of Hawks to demons, became into a god demon and raped Casca only because Guts didn't fuck his boipussy. Hell hath no fury like a faggot scorned
>>143277680
>implying that's worse than being the BLACKED Swordsman
Post pages that fucked you up on an emotional level.
>>143277093
>If it doesn't come falling down around him due to Guts, the series is going to be shit.
>The Antichrist fighting Jesus in front of his people in Falconia.
Nice.
>>143263859
>It seems pretty clear
>seems clear
It's rather "Pulled out of the ass" clear.
>>143277820
the whole chapter where Guts was crying and running after the eclipse basically, this was a great page.
>>143277721
If pedos fuck little boys, then it means they're also faggots
At this point saying 'Berserk is a happy trip now' its meme on /a/. Can't wait until Miura kills 95% of the witches and shut ups these fucking edgy teens.
>>143277721
Does it say pedo?
>>143277968
The pronunciation of the letters is literally Pe Do
>>143277749
Griffith is not just an apostle. He's a higher tier.
>>143278016
It was said somewhere that being a god hand member makes you filled with pure evil.
>>143278016
He's a higher tier faggot, that's for sure
>>143277820
The early one where the noble had to pick between sacrificing his daughter or being cast into hell was pretty gut wrenching.
>>143263859
When was the last rape chapter? several years ago?
>>143278198
Ganishka which was around the time they got on the boat.
>People actually upset there isn't rape in every chapter
I don't get it. For a site that regularly mocks edginess, you sure seem to love it in Berserk. Griffith's rape of Casca was fine because it was story-related and made sense within its own context, but stupid shit like Wyald and the rape horse were just needlessly gratuitous and in the latter case unintentionally hilarious
So someone has to go into Casca's mind to heal her.
How will this play out? Will we see a first person eclipse or something?
I have a feeling that his editors will hook him up with some 3d assistant that will just make 3d models of all his characters and he'll just pose them and draw over them.
And then eventually, of course, we'll get Togashi napkin doodles.
>>143278298
Wyald was fine, it was only bad when he tried to rape Casca and it got cartoonish with his tongue dick (although I feel like that was Miura's intention).
>>143278298
the plot of the manga is paper thin and the appeal is mostly due to ultraviolence
>>143278388
if you're a 12 year old child sure.
>>143278388
>the plot of the manga is paper thin
More like what's paper thin is your ability to understand the underlying themes.
>>143278344
I've just always found Wyald to be pointless. He's a generic 2edgy villain with zero substance. Even in a series as dark as Berserk, most of the antagonists have depth, Wyald is just EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL and loves to rape and murder. He doesn't add anything to the story, and the anime and movies did the right thing by cutting him.
>>143278388
yeah, fuck off
>>143278388
>the plot of the manga is paper thin
yeah muh rage muh darkness hella fucking epic badass
>>143278460
My main problem with Wyald was that his fight dragged and lasted a whole volume, and he was sort of unprecedented and felt like an asspull within the Berserk verse (where was he during the 100 year war, he could've taken Doldrey singlehandedly).
I think his edginess makes sense though, cause think about it, this old fuck probably was on a powertrip for who knows how long after becoming an apostle and just abusing his power. He does seem over the top edgy, but he was no worse than snake baron, and he was necessary from a narrative perspective to be Guts' first "slain apostle", and to really break the Hawks' spirit by informing them that they're done. Also Zodd's badass moment kind of made up for him, though I definitely agree he could've been executed better in general and was definitely the nadir of the golden age.
>>143278298
while there may be some who feel like they need more rape and gore for edginess sake, i was more on the page of these anons >>143269170 >>143269457 what i liked about guts was it was him vs the world. sure he had the occasional help but if was mostly him fighting against increasingly worse odds through all the fucked up shit relying on his strength and wits alone, each time he slowly destroys more of himself with pucks fairy dust just barely staving off the pain for a few hours.
now he just puts on the armor and is like "lol i got this" and proceeds to face roll hoards of apostles only to be in bead for a few days thanks to "LMAO DUDE LOLI WITCH"
its lost its spice of edge of the seat action, will he wont he make it through this fight to meh give him a few chapters
Best girl
>>143267669
Rickert on the left looks like he's seen some serious shit
>>143278733
He has.
>>143278675
idk the injuries Guts sustained over battles never felt life threatening and were there more to "badassify" him then to show him as completely vulnerable. I mean he breaks every bone in his body and just a few sprinkles of Elf dust can heal him, isn't that much better than what happens now. Also his tactics was overrated in the old fights, he always gets beaten to a pulp then proceeds to unload a fist full of arm cannon on the unsuspecting opponent which causes him to unleash his finishing move.
Don't get me wrong, I do kind of get what you mean and the action was at least great but his old injuries were never life threatening.
>>143264796
It's Toriyama all over again
>>143270859
>Everything sold for profit needs to do a little pandering to increase sales.
So how exactly does this work?
>See this 344th chapter of my manga? It's lighthearted and accessible but you have to read through 300 other chapters that are different and might put you off
???
>>143270689
>/pol/ garbage
huh
>>143271132
>Literally Bleach with edgy girls
>good
>>143271132
>Claymore way more raw
>>143271132
Why would I want to read an all girls Berserk doujin?
Alright /a/,
how would you fix the berserker armor?
the only rule is that you can't flat out remove it from the series
>>143264796
You can never go 1:1 with traditional to digital. Even with a graphics tablet it will still be a little different.
>>143279431
>fix
Can't fix what's not broken yet.
>>143277820
Definitely the page you posted. It was pretty sad.
>>143279431
>the healing/regen factor turns off when the berserking starts
>berserking becomes an actual liability instead of just I win mode
>>143279431
Give us actual consequences. I get that he's an uncontrollable mess, but it's not like he's ever cleaved an ally in half by mistake.
And afterwards when he's recuperating, nobody attacks when he's incapacitated and if he is messed up, he just gets up and attacks anyway, ignoring the warnings from all his friends.
>>143267213
>>143264796
>>143267669
>wander into this thread because I'm curious about Berserk
>mfw
if Zodd turns out to be Guts' dad I'm going to ignite
>>143267212
At least he isn't a homoerotic fuccboi.
>>143279613
that won't happen, that'd be the worst "twist" ever.
>>143279573
>Give us actual consequences
Not being able to feel things and not seeing well isn't a consequence?
the berserker armor will consume his body and leave him as haunted armor like skull knight
because by this point it's obvious that skull night isn't human
>>143279849
Sounds pretty believable.
>>143279649
no wonder, I thought Puck was kinda feminine at first in the Black Swordsman arc, he's definitely (at the time) written to be kinda androgynous.
>>143279613
Was this ever hinted at?
>>143278694
How the fuck did Skullknight know Guts was born from a corpse. Was he watching him since birth?
>>143275988
I get this horrible, horrible feeling all these happy things happening to Guts are building up to a plot point, Guts receives his own behlit.
He now has people he cares about, perfect sacrifices, and there was the old witch telling Guts that a behlit would never awaken unless it was meant for him. With the whole inner demon thing I get the feeling it is Guts own possibility to become an apostle, maybe even a as powerful as a member of god hand.
>>143278694
Damn. I forget how eerie and brutal Berserk was in its beginnings.
>>143280067
>Guts receives his own behlit.
Guts is already carrying a behelit though, the one from the Snake apostle
>>143279783
>not seeing well
>>143279607
I'm not even sure what those are, though admittedly I'm a bit behind on Berserk. I don't think they're the manga itself, meaning they're either some sort of cover image or just a side drawing he made.
>>143280067
>Guts receives his own behlit
When did he receive it? Didn't he just get it from one of the apostles?
>>143279783
It goes away after he's done. Anyway I would like something more permanent. Nothing negative has ever come from using the armor. It's always this balancing act of "I hope I don't lose control of this thing and if I do..." And we haven't been shown what happens if he does lose control or at least if he does, nothing bad happens.
He doesn't feel things and doesn't see well? Yeah that's true, but it's not like that's actually been the cause of any real consequences.
>>143280147
Maybe his corporeal body is fading away and his spiritual body is becoming stronger
Too bad his spiritual body is a hellhound
>>143280067
Guts would never become an apostle, that would shit all over his character and the story thematics. At most I could see a party member (don't think anyone currently in the party) will probably use it.
>>143267478
you're an idiot if you think this
>>143280178
>It goes away after he's done.
No it doesn't. Remember on the boat when he looks at Casca and his vision starts to fade?
I'm on the chapter where Guts and friends are fighting undead pirates.
I feel as though the series has gone stale since the end of the Mozgus Arc. There's no longer a feeling of oncoming dread and panic. Remember when Guts was fighting off the oncoming sea of demons with torches, screaming at the others to help him? I've yet to see that kind of dreadful scenario to return.
Now it's all the same.
>Oh no, demons!
>Wait, who is that man?
>HIS SWORD IS HUGE! There's no way he can defeat the demon!
>HE DEFEATED THE DEMON!
>Guts then moves to a different place, attracts more ungodly beasts and kills them
>Giffith is somewhere else being a complete Mary Sue and creating an empire with literally no effort
>>143274799
You're welcome
>>143280178
>It goes away after he's done
>>143280308
>I'm on the chapter where Guts and friends are fighting undead pirates.
I'm so sorry
>>143264796
goddamnit
>>143279849
Skull knight might still have a human soul due to being a cool guy but his body is obviously not human anymore.
He's probably the soul of Gaiseric possessing a skeleton or some shit.
>>143280178
>but it's not like that's actually been the cause of any real consequences
>the loss of his mental state may be true but it's not like it's been the cause of any real consequences
>the loss of these characters may be true but it's not like that's actually been the cause of any real consequences
When was the last time some legitimately badass shit like this popped up in the manga? Post Sea-God, everything seems to have been getting just so much more cheery and it really doesn't fit the story. If Miura really wants to move on to other things, he should know better than to try and force changes into an ongoing story and just finish what he started already, new shit's waiting around the corner.
>>143268369
Very inspiring.
>>143277820
I don't remember this, what happened here?
>>143280436
We're all souls possessing a skeleton.
>>143280129
>from the snake apostle
i hope you are baiting
>>143280178
And we never really saw the consequences of his injuries when fighting apostles before.
>>143280452
I thought the zodd and guts team up was cool, in that sense.
>>143280452
>Post Sea-God
Last 10 chapters?
I remember when things were pretty cheery during the golden age too anon.
>>143280383
I kind of figured this is when the boat meme starts. Way more comic relief, and the pace just makes it feel like your average shonen series.
At least I started reading during an exciting time for Berserk.
New movie, anime, and game. Friend tried showing me the movies but the CG really turned me off, not to mention the stuff that was cut from it. Now I understand why people LOVE to focus on the golden arc, things just aren't as good afterwards.
>>143280178
>but it's not like that's actually been the cause of any real consequences.
Guts is physically and mentally beginning to fall apart and the armor is only speeding that up, literally what the fuck are you talking about
>>143280452
>When was the last time some legitimately badass shit like this popped up in the manga?
Not in a long fucking time. It seems like Guts doesn't even struggle in his fights. He's been fighting mooks for ages.
>>143275988
>And what about Guts?
Before Griffith returned SKull Knight mentioned to Guts that as a branded sacrifice he was essentially a rogue factor. He was no longer fully mortal and thus he could defy God Hand and even Fate itself. A smal lchance but a chance.
I think that he brands can be removed or maybe contained, but doing so will mean Guts returns to a full human meaning he could never hope to beat Griffith as he would be sealed back into the loop of fate. Thats what the next chapters will be about I think, Guts trying to decide if he should completely give up on revenge, fighting his inner demon and living peacefully with Casca, or choosing to continue his fight against Griffith who is basically going to end the world (loli witch mentioned people mistake the hawk as a being of light, unaware he is leading them into darkness).
>>143269697
Is it possible that Miura only does the pencil work these days and he hired an assistant artist to do all the inking?
>>143280523
>pretty cheery during the golden age too anon.
That's because it was supposed to be cheery. The BotH was a rising force. Everyone had a purpose. Griffith was undefeated. Guts was fine just swinging his sword.
And then it happened.
>>143280331
>>143280247
okay it's been a while, I admit. Maybe I'm just bitching about the pacing since I feel like the effects of the armor should be apparent by now. Sure he's losing his vision, but has it actually done anything? We see this foreshadowing that he may become blind or something, but it doesn't stop him from killing shit.am I just being an impatient cunt or is the pacing just god awful?
>>143280555
>It seems like Guts doesn't even struggle in his fights
Sea god wasn't even 20 chapters away, and he was getting fucking brutally pounded by the things heart beat of all things and it seems to you like Guts doesn't struggle in his fights.
You guys haven't read Berserk in so long that it's fucking with your perception of reality.
>>143280536
Exactly. The pirates are more of a comedic villain than any of the villains of the past.
>>143280623pacing is in the shitter, my man
>>143280614
>That's because it was supposed to be cheery
>And then it happened
You don't say.
>>143280623
>>143280667
pacing is not awful, it suffers because of miura hiatuses
>>143280623
neither the pacing of the actual series is fine, just that the release schedule is DREADFUL and gives if the illusion of bad pacing, but I mean we were stuck on that boat chapter for close to ten years so I wouldn't call it being impatient about that.
>>143280665
yea he was struggling because of the heartbeat but luckily for him mary schierke was there to save the day yet a-fucking-gaini really should re-read it. i'm just another grouchy anon at this point
>>143280667
did you miss adon, that annoying guy in the golden age? He was far more annoying and jarring than the pirates.
>>143280696
it is called GOLDEN AGE for a reason
>>143280536
There's good stuff after Golden Age anon, its just that some of the better stuff requires you to read through the shitty stuff too, like I-shit-dro and Guts' happy raiding party.
>>143280735
>that annoying guy in the golden age?
This general? I thought he was genuinely comedic, considering he was about the only comedy in the Golden Age.
>>143280308
the cursed armor, using magic to fight astral bodies, and demon ward protecting Guts from 24/7 attacks were all mistakes
Strange as this may seem, I'm only now realizing how far behind I am. I downloaded it from a torrent on Bakabt that was aiming for just Dark Horse volumes so I think I actually "finished" just after they kicked some magic Indian's ass and were staring at the boat, ready to board. At the time I knew there was at least a little more but, hearing so much about how they're stuck on the boat, I figured I wasn't THAT far behind and decided to wait for a while. Well from the sound of things I've actually got plenty to read. Just how much are we talking?
Anyway, at this point I might as well read it all again from the beginning and then proceed onto everything that I missed.
>>143280698
This. If Berserk were on a regular monthly release schedule, people probably wouldn't complain nearly as much. Sure there's still some shit to sift through, but at least things would be HAPPENING and we wouldn't have to sit on a few chapters for god knows how long.
>>143280814
>cursed armor
nah, it has downsides
>magic
eh, it's all magic now
>demon ward
i was getting very bored with the constant demon attacks at night desu. it was spooky and fit in well with the black swordsman arc but not really anymore.
Will they show blondey grinding on Gut's sword?
>>143280817
>Just how much are we talking?
A lot. You haven't even returned to Windham yet.
>>143280817
>I've actually got plenty to read
Couple of hours.
>>143280735
I feel like Adon was more of a goof in a sea of dread. Now we have, Puck (and the girl fairy), Ishidro, Schierke with her love fuck ups with guts, do we really need more comedic relief?
Maybe it's just because we know how capable Guts is in battle, that there's never a need to be worried for any kinds of significant twists.
>>143280814
To be fair, I'm really enjoying Farnese's interests in sorcery, almost more than the main characters. At this point I've become familiar with Guts and Griffith, and since nothing is happening with Casca it's nice to see some kind of progression.
>>143280979
>and since nothing is happening with Casca
AOOUUU
>>143280067
Except guts has his own Behelit all ready.
I forget which chapter, but it was literally changing shapes and resonating with Guts wish to be more powerful to kill Apostles.
I could of sworn Slan or some other apostle confirmed that the Behelit he was carrying was meant for him.
I hate the JRPG party. I hope they die, soon.
>>143281025
I don't recall any shit like that.
>>143280665
Berserk is one of the only manga series I try to keep up with that makes me feel so tired inside. I really feel as though the releases being so far apart only hurts perception of the story, but in the long run if Berserk ever actually finishes, I look forward to rereading it and seeing how it holds up.
>>143280869
>downsides
the downside is that he's wearing dumb batman armor that gives him shonen, tokyo-ghoul style powerups. injuries not mattering anymore because mah cursed armor is eh
>all magic now
yeah and it sucks. he never needed it to fight apostles, so it's like a dumb plot contrivance for the loli to stick by him and make his comrades useful (even though the only one that still matters in fights is Guts). Maybe if he needed magic to fight Femto it would have been less dumb.
>boring to get attacked all the time
maybe, i could go either way but it was still too convenient to have a witch magic several of his problems away
>>143281083
You don't remember Puck freaking out over his Becchy? It even started turning into a face.
>>143281120
>he never needed it to fight apostles
Except since the very start of the goddamn manga.
>>143280889
there's no way they're skipping this, in fact it will probably be highlighted the most
>>143281120
>njuries not mattering anymore because mah cursed armor is eh
The armor injures him if he gets injured, man. He just doesn't feel anything.
>yeah and it sucks.
That's fantasy for you.
>maybe, i could go either way but it was still too convenient to have a witch magic several of his problems away
It would be interesting to see Guts get separated from his friends and have to duke it out on his own again for a little while.
>>143281120
>injuries not mattering anymore
They never fucking mattered with pucks magic bullshit healing dust.
Goddamn you fuckers have the memory of a goldfish.
>>143281198
Well if they skip Lost Children then I highly doubt it. And vice versa.
>>143279570
>the healing/regen factor turns off when the berserking starts
There is no healing/regen factor.
>>143281267
>They never fucking mattered with pucks magic bullshit healing dust.
That took time to heal. Guts even had fairy dust in Golden Age, remember.
Also like anon said the armor just makes him not feel injuries it doesn't make him undamageable. If he breaks a bone the armor will pierce his bone to support it. That's the most "bullshit" thing it does.
>the Idolm@ster meme will never die
>people are still going to post it a decade from now
>>143281120
the injuries never mattered anon, Puck's healing dust was far more of a convenient plot armor, he broke nearly every bone in his body and was skewered by Rosine's stinger but let's not act like we actually saw the full ramifications of these injuries chapters later, all these injuries do is "badassify" guts. The armor is much more compelling, and yes he does have downsides. A literal Iron Maiden that staples his joints together isn't the same as Gears or super saiyan power ups.
He still doesn't need magic to fight apostles, but you'd be out of your mind expect him to have been able to touch a Godhand without magic.
>>143281324
>That took time to heal
As opposed to now. When guts is pretty much comatose on a bed after any serious fight.
>>143281393
That's also with fairy dust and magic healing.
Guts is going to be one gigantic scar soon.
>>143281324
>That took time to heal
Before the armor injuries never mattered, Guts is always completely fine as soon as the next fight rolls around, the only exception is after the Rosine fight. If anything the ramifications of his injuries are much more apparent after he got the armor.
>>143280623
You're not impatient and the pacing isn't bad. Miura's release schedule is the problem.
>>143281368
>but you'd be out of your mind expect him to have been able to touch a Godhand without magic.
Technically Guts could become a wizard since all humans can become magic apparently.
God just imagine a wizard guts.
>>143270586
didn't know the majority is full of edgelords who only want gore and rape and not story and progression. rather not have a story pandering to fans thank you very much
So is Guts going to kill God, even if God is basically the manifestation of human desire?
>>143281120
That armor eats into his bones. It took forever to take it off.
>>143281504
>God just imagine a wizard guts
He casts fist?
>>143281368
Guts only fought low level apostles.
>>143281533
That's the only way I see him getting out of this. Slice the one who sent the Behelit into pieces after he kills Griffith or slice all the apostles and Godhand members after they turn back into humans.
>>143281533
Yeah and manifestation doesn't mean source.
>>143281565
What magic could Guts use to augment his fighting style anyways?
After all one of Gut's defining character traits is that he's 100 percent human fighting horrible OP monsters.
So we can't give him power ups that make him not human.
>>143281593
He can hold his own against Zodd, who is both a strong apostle and skilled warrior.
Do you guys think Skull Knight waited for the rape to be finished before coming in on purpose? Why didn't he bust in as Griffith was raping Casca or about to rape her?
>They are finally finishing their journey to find a safe place to take Casca
>Everyone complains about the place they are at being too safe
I dont get it. I know that the boat ride took 7 years and all, but this entire time they have been away from the world purposefully heading to a safe place, and so dangerous apostle encounters have become infrequent, and I genuinely enjoyed everything before they got on the boat, as well as the stuff in Falconia. The focus on high fantasy and the lack of any really imposing threats for Gut's party are all a direct aspect of the story that has been built up since the end of conviction, its not some sudden change in Miura.
>>143281648
>He can hold his own against Zodd
That's a funny way of saying scrape by with the skin of his teeth.
>>143281673
He was fighting Zodd.
>>143281683
>mfw they will have to ride the boat back
>>143281593
I wouldn't call Rosine a low level Apostle.
Did you fucking forget that in Apostle form her ass was a goddamn jew engine?
She made sonic booms man.
>>143281673
He was busy fighting Zodd.
>>143281698
Reread the short fight right after Griffith's reincarnation.
>>143281648
he fought and had a good match with Zodd's human form, but was overwhelmed once he transformed. The fight didn't even last 10 pages.
>>143281648
Besides the shitskin emperor it's always been known that Zodd is the strongest apostle.
Except that Dragon guy that Guts was fucking up.
>>143281698
Last time Guts fought Zodd, he had the upper hand until Zodd transformed and then the fight was interuppted but by that point, Guts had already slaughtered countless apostles so it's not hard to imagine that he, at the very least, could have still held his ground against apostle form Zodd. Not to mention, Guts didn't even have the Berserker armor last time. These days, with the armor, Guts would wipe the floor with Zodd in any form.
>>143281755
Which chapter is it?
I still remember him getting rekt.
>>143281738
>her ass was a goddamn jew engine
>>143281736
>They're all given wings because magic and they fly back
>>143281736
Boat mini-arc wasnt really that long in terms of chapters, just in terms of years it took to get through it. If Berserk manages to stay off hiatus for a while, and assuming Miura doesn't make the trip back quite as long via timeskip (likely, as it would be repetitive otherwise). We can probably get from them leaving Skellig to them getting back to the mainland and seeing what has become of the world pretty quickly.
>>143281779
>it's always been known that Zodd is the strongest apostle.
Seems like Locust is pretty broken with him extendo-lance bullshit.
>>143281673
He was getting a double cheeseburger from Mickey D's.
>>143281795
>until Zodd transformed
>Guts had already slaughtered countless apostles
We already established that the countless apostles he fought were shitters. Even that fucker sent after they saved griffith got taken out in one hit by Zodd.
>>143281593
Oh really?
>>143281861
He can't even taste them but its the nostalgia that counts.
>>143281805
http://www.mymanga.me/manga/Berserk/179/3
Shit scans and watermarks, but I don't feel like searching too hard right now.
>>143281883
Guts didn't really even fight him. Griffith did.
>>143281936
Skull Knight did
>>143281883
Hey look, it's Santa!
>>143281877
Wyald? The guy who was sliced to ribbons and barely clinging to life?
>>143281738
I'd sonic boom her jew engine.
>>143281877
That moment cemented Zodd as a goat.
>>143281932
Yeah so he pretty much just got owned until casca showed up.
Am I the only who like this change of pace tough?
I meant Guts suffered for his whole life. What's wrong with a little bit of happy adventure with new friends?
>>143282006
No, he's a bull.
>>143281985
Zodd would rek wyald even if he was fully healed, and zodd was in his non transformed state though, let's not pretend otherwise.
>>143282022
No, he was still fighting back UNTIL Casca showed up, which caused him to get distracted and rekt.
>>143282035
I'm with you anon. Plus, all this will be made even better when it all comes crashing down and he loses it again.
>>143282093
>he was still fighting back
If that's what you want to call it.
>>143282046
he does look more like a minatour, but has somewhat of a lion's face. He's an amalgamation of a bunch of different animals, I dig his design though. It's so simple yet effective. Especially contrasts well with all the other apostles who look like eldritch abominations.
>>143281861
He's gotta keep his strength up
>>143282093
>UNTIL Casca showed up
Also the fight literally ENDED when casca showed up.
>>143282047
Wyald is pretty shit tier as far as apostle gimmicks go. He's just big and has a tentacle-cock in his mouth. The Count had regeneration and could make monster subordinates with extending tentacle shit, Rosine could make sonic booms, turn humans into bug monsters, fly at very high speeds, etc. Wyald is just a poor example to prove Zodd's superiority is what I'm getting at.
>>143282201
Wyald felt like he didn't belong. Like he was just one more hump in the road to pass before the Eclipse.
>>143282238
For the most part I agree, but the fight itself was good, and him revealing Griffith's injuries has way more impact than the random Midland soldiers that do it in the adaptations.
Why are Guts and Skull Knight the only powerful individuals who actually oppose Griffith and the God Hand?
Aren't t there other deities who were memed into existence by humanities collective unconscious?
>>143282296
Yea that's true. It doesn't get more demoralizing than seeing what happened to Griffith.
>>143282301
Guts and Skull Knight both live outside of the physical world and thus can be outside the influence of the Idea of Evil or something maybe.
Casca should technically be able to oppose the God Hand too, though she isnt nearly powerful enough to actually put that into practice.
>>143282301
The 4 elemental kings probably sort of oppose them. I get the impression that they're actually 100% impartial and shit but the Godhand are so malevolent that I figure even the neutral forces of nature would get tired of their shit eventually. There's also the witches and wizards who serve them, if you consider them powerful, that presumably oppose the Godhand.
>>143282301
We only really see the impact of shit on Midland and a bit of the surrounding kingdoms, and even then usually just in relation to Guts. As far as the deities go, there are all kinds of elementals and spirits and shit that the Holy See has buried, and life in that world is so shit that the Idea of Evil is the only thing likely to come of it.
>>143281593
Who exactly would you consider Low Level Apostles?
He held his own against Zod although barely.
He basically fought a manifestation of Ganishka with Zod's help. Even Zod was having a hard time with Ganishka.
Guts even went toe to toe with Diamond Dragon guy and was winning until he had to pull the fuck out of there. Moth girl gave Guts a hard time but he put her in her place.
I hope you don't believe the Apostles I mentioned were low level ones.
>>143282369
>outside the influence of the Idea of Evil
This is why Miura cut that thing out. Because he fucking read Nietzsche or something, and decided to introduce some similar concepts into his story, but then he realised that his autistic retarded fanbase wouldn't understand anything and think it was the final boss or some dumb shit like that.
It even mentions fucking causality, but no retards go on about "influence".
>>143281533
I have a feeling Guts will be the one to kill Slan & Griffith. Void seems like it's Skull Knights job to take him out, even if it means taking himself out as well.
Conrad and Ubik I'm unsure of how they would be dealt with. They really haven't fucked with Guts at all compared to Griffith and Slan. Maybe Guts will kill either one of them or both. Maybe his JRPG party will manage to take one of them down. I have no idea what the hell those two are doing anyways.
>>143282414
>Guts even went toe to toe with Diamond Dragon guy
In the armour. For fucks sake, pay attention.
>>143282035
Maybe it's because I was dealing with shit translations at the time, but aren't Guts and Casca both going to hell when they die? Seemed like a huge motivator to get off his ass and hunt Griffith down, revenge or not
It's clear that Skullknight was the king of the city that Windham was built on top of, right? What caused that? Did he become an apostle by sacrificing his city, considering all of the dead bodies there were branded?
>>143282414
>He held his own against Zod although barely
Having to constantly scurry away from Zods blows is not holding your own.
>>143282516
>but aren't Guts and Casca both going to hell when they die?
Doesn't everyone?
>>143282516
does heaven even exist in this series anon?
>>143282126
Yeah that's what you'd call it.
>>143282565
I meant as a result of being branded as a sacrifice to demons / interacting with demons. Like Vargas
>>143282455
Are you seriously getting mad over the fucking wording? Yes of course its causality, I just specified it that way instead of saying "The causality of the physical world", which makes it sound more complicated than it is.
>>143282590
>Yeah that's what you'd call it.
>>143282590
I don't think there has been a point in Berserk as fucked up or as brutal as the Eclipse. It's Guts at his prime.
>>143282535
I figured that he and his city were sacrificed in order to give rise to one of the God hand. Skull knight is probably branded as well, but managed to escape the sacrifice to create whatever member of the god hand the sacrifice was for, like Guts and Casca escaped the sacrifice that give rise to Femto..
>>143282493
Grunbeld fought Guts after Guts was already half-dead and spiritually crippled by Slan.
Him getting his shit kicked in by Guts the moment he put the armor on says something about how shit-tier of an apostle he is.
>>143282610
>Yes of course its causality
>Guts lives outside of causality
You're a retard anon.
>>143282670
Ah...say like Skullknight was a "Guts" to a different "Griffith" (maybe Void?) and he decided to continue to fight.
>>143282683
What the hell point are you trying to make?
>>143282411
Man the world of berserk isn't that shit we just see all the worst shit to happen in that world.
It's no more shit that actual medieval Europe and if you didn't get the plague life was pretty great in mideival Europe for most people.
You worked like 2 hours a day doing agricultural work and then spent the rest of your time fucking your wife or raising your kids.
And you lived to like 60.
>>143277820
This part.
Guts looks at his arm with a ''oh yeah, I don't have an arm'' realization. Not a single words needs to be said.
>>143282713
There's a single sentence in the post you quoted. Why don't you read it and find out?
>>14328270
didn't they already say as much? skullknight's main mission seemed to be void
>>143282700
Thats literally exactly what it is.
>Skull knight gets branded, escapes
>Skull knight gets a witch sidekick
>Skull knight wears the Berserker armor and fucks shit up
They make tons of references in the story to Guts basically repeating what Skull Knight did.
>>143282565
Not unless you haven't encountered demons.
Then again if they become witches they can magic themselves to heaven like Flora did.
>>143282773
Oh man, that's a blast from the past.
>>143282535
Skull Knight is not an apostle Gut's brand doesn't react around him.
>>143282766
What kind of specific wording do you want me to make?
There is causality, its what makes the Behelits return to their owners, everything that happens is predetermined.
The branded, who exist outside the physical world, can go against causality, therefore Guts and Skull Knight should be able to act in ways that weren't predetermined.
>>143282535
We don't know the specifics, but it's hinted that Skull Knight and Void had a similar relationship to Guts and Griffith's.
>>143282869
There is no such thing as something outside of causality.
I want you to use english as it's supposed to instead of making retarded claims equivalent to "2+-4 = /455"
There is nothing "outside" of causality. Being able to influence "causality" just means you are part of it.
>>143282535
It's implied that he was the King yes, but he isn't an Apostle. Chances are the city was sacrificed by Void since it's clear that there is some sort of relationship between SK and Void. Either SK got branded in the process & escaped the sacrifice, or maybe SK wasn't in his city at the time, and through some means, acquired the Berserk armor and became what he is now.
SK is just some oddity. He's basically some godly undead warrior who eats Behelits and can basically journey between realms and push Apostles shit in. I'm sure he can manipulate Causality in some way.
>>143282535
Void sacrificed his city 1000 years ago. He's the sage mentioned by Mozgus. When Griffith comes back, Skull Knight says ''it's happening again'' which implies it happened before.
Void was likely a cult leader, similar to Jesus, and talked shit about the Empire not being person. He was sent to be executed and 'ascended'. This is why Charlotte is unsure if there are 4 or 5 angels that destroyed the Empire.
Void summoned the previous God Hand members to destroy the Empire. This was likely done by a mass sacrifice. You'll notice that on the skulls of the dead, at the bottom of that tower, they are all branded in the same spot. Eclipse branding happens at random. This indicates that this was possibly self inflicted. It's likely that Void got the same attraction powers Griffith has whenever he's around people. This got Void to get a great following, he brought them to the Empire, got them to carve the brand on their forehead and it summoned the God Hand.
After the battle war over, Skull Knight, with the help of elf magic, was stuck to a suit, after he ran out of blood. Void went back to the astral as the first God Hand member. This will happen with Griffith too. Once Guts kills Griffith, he'll become the 1st God Hand member and the cycle will continue.
>>143282905
With Skull Knight being Griffith due to being a King and Void being Guts.
It's the same but the opposite at the same time.
>>143282968
So basically you are just using your own version of causality instead of the one presented in Berserk, which is the result of "God" (who wouldn't be the final boss or anything, but is 100% canon and was omitted due to Miura feeling it revealed too much of the story). Sure in reality Guts' actions would be part of causality, but not the causality predetermined by God. You seem to be ignoring the instances where the members of the God hand take note of how Guts is "Fighting against fate".
>>143283005
Sacrificed might not be the right word. Void sacrificed a lot of people to get revenge on Skull Knight.
>>143282905
Skull Knight is essentially Griffith who got his kingdom the legit way.
Void is like Guts looking for revenge but got the help of the God Hand.
What makes this so interesting is that it's a complete reversal. With Skull Knight using the Berserker armor while being like Griffith, and Guts being like Void for revenge, but using the Berserker armor.
>>143283005
I wonder how that whole being sent to the dungeon and tortured thing works if he was supposedly SK's best bud.
>>143283088
Probably fucked SK's daughter
>>143283026
>It's the same but the opposite at the same time.
Bravo. Clap clap clap. Finally someone else that gets it.
>>143283056
There is not a single moment (as of yet) that has not been predetermined. There's still the old saying that the more you fight against fate, the more you find yourself entrapped by it.
>>143283088
Well, like SK says, you know how Void is, preaching about causality and shit.
I think it's just like Jesus, where he talked shit about the Emperor and got fucked for it. I don't think they were ever friends. But I do believe that SK directly put the order for Void to be tortured. Wouldn't even be surprised if SK went to see Void before the torture like the king who went to see Griffith before his own torture.
You'll also notice that Void has weird mouth markings on his face. It's likely due to the torture. Griffith has his torture helmet still on as well. I don't think that's a coincidence.
>>143283056
>hurr durr retarded shit
As expected really. The one presented in Berserk IS STILL the one I am talking about.
Fighting against fate doesn't literally mean fighting against fate, because you can not fight against fate. When the apostles say that they mean that he is fighting against being branded as an offering to the apostles.
I know it's difficult for you to really get your head around this because it's above your McDonalds tier pay grade, but at least try to use the shrivelled pea in your head for once.
>>143264513
>my favorite edgy metal-inspired jap comic about a one-armed guy that swings around a giant metal slab and has a retarded rape victim girlfriend is much better than Lord of the Rings
ayy
>>143283197
So you're saying that the morale of Berserk is that literally nothing matters and that nobody's actions are there own and no hardships were real? That the manga that Miura makes up as he goes along is about everything being predetermined?
Seems like a pretty shitty idea senpai.
>>143283284
It's not about everything being predetermined more than any other fucking manga/tv show/ etc. is about it being predetermined.
>mention something once
>LOL XD THE WHOLE SHOW IS ABOUT IT
Sounds more like your actual birth was a pretty shitty idea.
>>143283368
Berserk talks about fate constantly, and its not like every other piece of media is about everything being predetermined either.
You realize causality isn't real, right? If Berserk, which is in a big part about fate in regards to basically everything related to the Apostles and God Hand, wants to have things go against causality (which is a fictitious thing so they can do whatever they want), they can, and when fate is often portrayed as a negative force in the series, the possibility that protagonists of that series will take action, deliberate or not, against that negative force is hardly unlikely?
>>143283453
>You realize causality isn't real, right?
I realise that whatever retarded concept you use the word "causality" to describe isn't real, yes.
>>143283499
No version of causality exists in the real world, its something that exists only in fiction because there is a driving force (the author) who can decide where it goes. Therefore any rules of causality presented in any medium are at the discretion of the author, and a specific definition doesn't have need to exist, so literally anything is possible.
>>143283453
>causality
Causality is actually real.
>>143283585
Well it's as I expected really.
>>143283596
No it isnt? Though to be fair, there is no way of proving it doesn't exist unless something impossible like a time machine existed.
>>143283585
>No version of causality
Also, there IS only 1 (one) "version" of causality. Of course being uneducated, means you know nothing about it.
>>143283691
Prove causality exists then. Its just a made up philosophical concept, there is no reason for anything to be predetermined.
>>143283681
Cause and effect is very real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR3fSL9WMdg
>>143283767
I can't even teach my dog to count, and you expect me to teach YOU anything?
Thanks for the laugh
>>143283817
The fuck is up with the sound on this video?
>>143283817
Maybe provide a source that isn't fictitious? Especially one that doesn't literally take place in a false reality that is being controlled by an external force.
In a universe that had no choice, then everything would be predetermined, but I can choose to move around any of the items on my desk, or I can choose not to, what option isn't decided until it is already done, and at which point sure you could say that whatever happened was predetermined, as I cannot go back and change my decision, but there is no reason for me to make one decision or the other in the present.
Causality is something that can't be proven or dis-proven, but there is literally no reason to believe it exists in the first place.
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