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>>142110071
妹へ
死ね
以上
>こんいちは
>こんにちはです
>こんにちわです
When you say こんにちは in polite form with です, do you keep the last letter as は or is it only a contraction when its at the end and I have to change it back to わ. I can't find an answer anywhere
Almost finished the common route. Really wanna bang みさき and 一ノ市
自殺の後何があるのかな
早い!
>>142134773
餌を撒いてわくわくしながらレスを待つアノンさんであった
>>142134821
The art style looks identical to KoiSenkyo, to the point I wonder if they just copy pasted the designs over and called them new characters.
みんな男なの？私だけ女？
>>142134978
Funny thing is that it isn't the same artist.
>>142134863
72人の童貞（お前ら）
>>142134863
幻想郷に決まっているんだぜ。 ぜひあそこでまた会おう。
Are you bad enough dude to read and understand Mareni?
>>142135016
Read? Yes. Understand? No.
>>142134993
あたしゃあ女じゃよ
>>142134974
Is that sentence supposed to be hard?
>>142135135
for beginner trash like myself? yeah
>>142134993
あたしは可愛くて礼儀正しくて淑女ですわ。
>>142134993
皆、心が幼女だから
>guide says to start with anki after getting a firm grasp of hiragana
>anki provides kanji and then tells you the translation in english and hiragana
What? Am I missing something here? I thought the idea was to learn hiragana, gain some vocabulary, then find your own preferred method for understanding kanji. I'm just starting out so I've been trying to stick to the guide.
>>142135159
Out of curiosity, what stumps you about it?
>>142134993
乳首、または帰れ
>>142135231
What's the problem?
I'm sure Japs invent fonts like this just to spite gaijin.
>>142135313
Those don't even look alike. You're just retarded.
>>142135313
wait till u see their handwriting lol
>>142135345
>Those don't even look alike.
That's the point...
>>142135231
The most preferred method is learning kanji through vocabulary -- that is, learning the kanji and it's reading as the word. Don't study kanji separately.
>>142134958
ばれた
>>142135231
The idea is to learn the kanji along with the vocab
>>142135313
The first one is 破 though
>>142135313
This is where knowing radicals helps.
>>142134993
文法が悪すぎるからほんとに女だと信じられんぞ
>>142135231
That's why the guide is shit.
The "What do I do to actually learn Japanese?" section doesn't account for anyone but Ankidrones who want to brute-force the characters through vocab with no preparation at all (not even study of the radicals).
>>142135407
no no 似 for sure
>Only 2/3rd of the way done with 2000 words in Core 2K.
When does the grinding stop.
>>142135447
When you give up
>>142135231
Watch anime until you understand without subs, then start anki
>>142135360
Are you dumb?
破 is not 彼.
>>142135510
完全論彼
>>142135232
the middle part
寮母のおばちゃんが何でもやってくれる一般寮とは違って
i get everything else but i just don't understand this sentence
>>142135407
It's not, it's 彼「あれ」 (down there (i.e. one's genitals)).
>>142135408
Hardly helps at all with this one since there's an extra stroke added in there for fuck knows what reason making it look like there's a 刂 in the character, and there are other strokes which are missing or oriented completely wrong (like the top line in 彳).
>>142135540
寮母のおばちゃんが (understand)
何でもやってくれる一般寮とは違って (don't understand)
>>142135540
read it backwards
>>142135447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfISgCQV-U
>>142135558
Are you serious?
小破
中破
大破
>>142135540
It's not like your average dorms where the dorm mother does everything for you
>>142135558
Anon it's because the one on the left is 破 and the one on the right is 彼. They have different radicals.
>>142135580
何でもやってくれる whatever she does for us
一般寮とは違って different from regular dorm
I dont get how you got the next sentence though
>>142135558
>it's 彼「あれ」 (down there (i.e. one's genitals)).
お笑いのセンスがおありのようですね
>>142135650
>>142135540
>>142135580
寮母のおばちゃんが何でもやってくれる一般寮
a regular dorm where the housemother will do anything for you
とは違って
different from
>>142135647
>>142135625
>>142135585
ah yeah i was just about to type that. thank you for the help anons, i understand now.
>>142135650
yes, thank you. i'm not sure how to put the next sentence in english but i'm pretty sure when he said
自分達で生活の用意をしないといけないんだよ～
he meant something along the lines of "its absolutely necessary for us to do our preparations ourselves (as we live)"
I want to post a picture of something, but I don't want it to become popular so I won't. まだ日本語を勉強しています。じゃあね
>>142135313
This is why you fags need to learn proper calligraphy.
The stop at the end of the first stroke is a dead giveaway that it's horizontal.
>>142135792
you too anon, thanks
>>142135389
>>142135423
Thanks for clearing that up, the guide was really misleading. It literally says to choose your own method for learning kanji, then gives you this as if it's mandatory anyway.
I think I'll study the radicals as opposed to brute forcing because to me anki seems useless (to me at least) unless you have some basic understanding. It seems great for testing yourself and cementing the knowledge later on though.
Are there tools like this without the kanji? I was hoping to at least get to memorizing some words in hiragana. I was really pumped to actually be able to put to use the hours memorizing all those symbols.
しんじゃががとれたよ
しんじゃがが
>>142135590
Steve made a video where he commented on the US primaries and said he's vote for a Republican, he's already completely lost my respect.
>>142135871
He took the trump meme too seriously
>>142135853
次はお前の命な
>>142135853
I'd eat your potatoes, if you know what I mean.
>>142135806
大丈夫
幼稚な脳から排出したゴミネタなんか誰も流行らせないから
あたしのポテトってなにじゃがになるのかな
こたえ。 じゃがいも
>>142135231
>I'm just starting out so I've been trying to stick to the guide.
All you need is something like the following:
*learn the basic phonetic script/kana and their sounds (if you aren't already familiar with how Japanese sounds, go back in time and start watching anime with the volume turned up).
*read a basic grammar text to come to terms with the structure of the language (Tae Kim, Japanese the Manga Way, Visualising Japanese Grammar, Genki- take your pick).
*reviewing new words and kanji in anki every day with one of the recommended vocab and kanji decks (Core vocab decks, JLPT decks; one of the many kanji decks out there, etc.)
*use the DoJG anki deck alongside vocab/kanji.
*consuming a shit load of Japanese during this process.
It's basically a fool proof way to learn Japanese, easy as piss.
Adult learners of almost everything are too sceptical for their own good and spend far too much time second guessing themselves at every moment, which is why kids are said to learn languages so well, because they're dump fucks who happily accept anything and have no problem with being involved in speaking/listening/reading 24/7. Kids are the same with instruments: stick them in front of a piano and they'll play chords over and over till their parents try to get them to go to bed, meaning they master the basics without really noticing whereas an adult trying to do the same thing will spend half his time stopping, trying to perfect every key and constantly seeking feedback as to how they have fucked up, as they always assume everything they do is wrong due to over analysing everything.
>finally get around to looking at jlpt after years of study and living in japan
>pass multiple 5, 4, 3 practice tests with nearly perfect score and few words i didnt catch
>near the passing mark on 2
>overall feeling good because i had no idea where i stoof
>get contacted by video game localization staff of freelance job i was contracted with for the first time in a while about first tasks
>hard as fucking shit
I went from feeling great about my japanese ability, to the feeling that I truly understand nothing.
Is there a major gap from 1 or 2 or is even 1 far away from actual fluency or even comprehension
>>142136068
>Genki
Stop trying to troll newfags it's not very nice
>>142135844
There are way too many words with exactly the same kana spelling for that to be reasonable, at least with anki. Also kanji help a huge amount in recognizing Japanese words. Knowing certain kanji and being able to intuit their readings and remember their meanings in new words has helped me memorize vocab more than anything else.
The best course of action now would probably be to read Tae Kim if you haven't done that yet, since grammar always trumps everything else when it comes to comprehension, and then see what you can pick up in anime in the meantime.
Post J-cat scores
>>142135016
Yes but I not a bad enough dude to actually subject myself to reading that bullshit
>>142136098
It's a basic grammar resource like any other, you fucking mong.
>>142136079
N2 is like middle-intermdiate m8. A high N1 score would be maybe lower advanced.
>>142136079
Step from 2 to 1 is pretty big. 1 is still nowhere near native
is there a better program than anki? something like obenkyo where it comes in quiz form and you can turn on/off certain words/kanji (or rather remove/add them if its another app).
i dont like the frequency or "give it to me again thing" so much. but obenkyo you cant make your own decks
i dont know what i want, shit
>>142136079
>getting a translation job with N2
please tell me which games you're working on so I can avoid them
>>142136184
its not nearly as simple as that you memelord
>>142136079
All of them are arbitrarily far from fluency because they don't test any production.
N1 means you should be able to comprehend most written things, and be able to comprehend spoken things in "ideal" conditions (no accent or significant competing noises, seiyuu teir pronunciation, no yelling, etc) which usually means you will be able to understand people in 1 on 1 conversations but good luck when two kansai speaking Japanese people are talking to each other.
>>142136184
Why would you be playing English translated Japanese games in the first place?
>>142136224
Have you actually sat the N1 and have experience with the listening portion?
>>142136261
I've done the JCAT and there are recorded versions N1 listening sections on youtube
>>142136108
Almost a year old result. Might do it again soon if I actually get back to studying
>>142136178
Do you want to learn Japanese or do you want to play games?
>>142136287
So no?
>>142136295
>So no?
Do you have an actual point? The things on youtube are real N1 tests. It's quite fair to use actual N1 questions to judge what the N1 tests.
If you disagree, what is your opinion about it? Or are you just shitposting?
>>142136287
Listening to recordings on youtube is a world apart from listening to them under the pressure of being crammed into a hot room with no air con, at shitty little desks surrounded by other people.
>>142136341
See above.
>If you disagree, what is your opinion about it? Or are you just shitposting?
My opinion is that you should shut your mouth and don't comment on things you have no actual experience of, because arrogant bullshit like that is the root of all shit posting on /a/.
>>142136261
"so I can tell others to avoid them" doesn't have the same rhetoric impact
>>142134993
Kill yourself slut
>>142136295
Both. I want to be able to understand and translate games but also things like keynote speeches (think E3) or have interviews.
Business of video games and the games themselves.
>>142136369
Do you have any experience with it, or were you preemptively counter-shitposting about things you also know nothing about?
>>142136341
>Do you have an actual point?
If you haven't sat the JLPT you are really in no place to make those sort of judgements. No, Youtube bootlegged recordings are not the same as sitting the exams. That isn't something that should have to be explained.
>>142136369
Okay so you suck at taking tests and that somehow changes the difficulty of the questions themselves? Surely if you can get almost every question on the youtube version then you can get your fucking 20/60 on the real test.
>My opinion is that you should shut your mouth and don't comment on things you have no actual experience of, because arrogant bullshit like that is the root of all shit posting on /a/.
Wow dude I'm sorry that you suck at listening comprehension and fucked up the N1 test but you gotta be more objective here.
So when you see interpretors or people who claim to speak a second language, was it because they grew up in an environment where they had to learn multiple languages because of their parents or region and they are practically native in them both/all?
Or in the case where they studied did they reach something at or beyond the equivalent of JLPT1?
Or are there just idiots who can maintain a daily conversation that claim they can "speak" some language?
>>142136484
if they don't have an accent it's the first
if they have an accent its the second
if you're on the internet it's the third
>>142136079
this really fills me with despair, if you're only n2 after living in japan for years i wonder how long it will take me to get there just reading shit and doing my reps
>I never take JLPT
>but I have JCAT so my post is legit guys
rolfmao
>>142136289
Does anyone here have a higher JCat score than mine?
jlpt only twice a year
and you must apply within a single month 2 months prior to the actual test
and pay over 5000yen
and do it in the most convoluted way
what the fuck
i guess i shouldnt be surprised by a country who still uses fax machines but not debit cards
>>142136430
So you have taken N1? What was your score on listening? Do you ever have trouble with yelled lines in anime? Can you listen to podcasts and understand everything? How about something like Gaki no Tsukai? Can you understand conversations between two japanese people in a crowded room when they are next to you, but facing each other and talking to each other? If you say you can do those all flawlesly and still got a shitty score on N1 listening then I'll concede defeat.
>>142136574
ちょうかいが
いちばんかんたんなのに
どうして５８なの
>>142136569
Nice argument. I hope you can get at least a 300 on the JCAT if you think it's so easy.
>>142136546
You'll probably progress faster than me.
I say "study" but my "study" is little more than trying to pick up girls on tinder and shit. I learned a lot of kanji and phrases and vocab simply from talking to people a whole lot in and out of work. I imagine I'd be at JLPT1 already if I actually put down and hour or 2 of actual study of things I didn't already know everyday
>>142136665
意地悪しないでください
>>142136418
>Do you have any experience with it
Yes.
>>142136444
>Okay so you suck at taking tests and that somehow changes the difficulty of the questions themselves?
Are you fucking retarded? Taking a test in person is not the same as leisurely watching it online.
>but you gotta be more objective here.
You're talking about psychology here as though it doesn't have any impact. I'm sorry but you don't have a fucking clue what you're on about. There is a reason why tests are structured the way they are, because there is a vast difference between performing under pressure and doing the same thing relaxed. The latter doesn't have much relation to real world stresses involved in using a language.
Everyone likes to shit on the JLPT but they'd be the last to sit it, as chances are they know that outside of their comfy spaces in their rooms, their language ability under pressure would reveal weaknesses they wouldn't want to accept. That's one thing at least normalfags are less arrogant about. JCAT is easier than the JLPT in a lot of respects, but autists like to pretend as though language only extents to the outer reaches of their texthooked pornographic novel games. I see smug faggots like you by the truckload who will never grow more proficient than their isolationist bubble allows.
Could you hold a conversation with a native talking about a particular topic whilst sitting in a cafe surrounded by people and music playing in the background? I can. Language has a fundamental real time social element which cannot be ignored.
>>142136663
>concede defeat
You're already lost in life, you pathetic fucking manchild.
Protip: 99% of anime is like real life spoken Japanese slowed down to half the speed.
>Can you understand conversations between two japanese people in a crowded room when they are next to you, but facing each other and talking to each other?
Yeah, it's not that fucking hard. Most people speak far too fucking loud. You're just a dumb autist.
As soon as someone mentions JLPT a bunch of salty faggots come out who thinks N1 equals mastery of Japanese, presumably because they took the test and failed, which must means the test is extremely hard
>>142136068
Wow, thank you for the detailed response. I'll follow your advice. Also, I do suffer from seriously second guessing myself and can frustrate myself easily so I'll keep your words in mind. (and nice 2hu)
>>142136101
Okay, thanks for clearing up my misconception. Guess I can't really put off learning Kanji then. And I haven't looked into grammer much yet so I'll do that.
Still, how essential is anki? Everyone seems to swear by it, but from trying it for a bit I've found it very unhelpful. I don't know ANY of the kanji so I can't keep the definition and pronunciation in my mind long enough so by the time I've gotten back to one word, and tried memorize the other several words in between, I've completely forgotten everything. It might just be my terrible short term memory, but are there any tips for how to make better use of anki? Am I using the tool wrong?
>>142136665
いもうとってJCATとったことあるの？
ここの人はだいたいエロゲー、マンガ、ラノベなどを読んで勉強してるから
リスニングが追いつくには時間がかかる
アニメの鑑賞より難しい小説読んだほうが楽ってのはそれほど珍しいものではないかと
>>142136574
took it in january with a 281
>>142136665
数字の羅列とかがダメな人は意外と多い
あと死ね
>>142136649
only 1500 yen here
>>142136691
If it was legit people wont even try to get JLPT in the first place. That's like non-native English speakers say that their English test at school is equivalent to TOELF/IELTS.
>>142136546
Living in country can obviously be a great resource, but it doesn't automatically teach you the language. If you rely on others to translate or if your only interactions are with your boss and the コンビニ clerk, your learning will cap out quickly.
>>142136746
>Could you hold a conversation with a native talking about a particular topic whilst sitting in a cafe surrounded by people and music playing in the background?
Yes. Given your attitude I'd be surprised if you'd ever actually talked to a japanese person though.
> JCAT is easier than the JLPT in a lot of respects
What is your JCAT score?
>Protip: 99% of anime is like real life spoken Japanese slowed down to half the speed.
Stop watching slice of life shit
Would it be more beneficial to try and find the few words I don't know remaining in the levels of JLPT5 and 4 before moving on 3, or just move on to the huge chunk of words in 3 or even 2 that I don't know?
Not just words, kanji too of course
>>142136780
>If it was legit people wont even try to get JLPT in the first place.
That's not an argument. It can be difficult without being officially recognized. Why are you avoiding the question?
>>142136826
if you have an efficient way of locating them, sure
that sounds fucking menial though
>>142136755
This. I can't wait to take it this December just so when these shitters come out I can post my score.
>>142136848
i dont.
i was just planning on grinding though the anki decks for them or the sources under jlpt 5/4 in the pastebin and noting anything i found
>>142136755
why take these tests in the first place
if you cant read or understand what you want, you're not really satisfied
>>142136929
Employers ask for it. Some universities too.
>>142136842
>without being officially recognized
You just said that. Why should people bother to take an unofficial certificate when they can take the official one? Do you go to employers and say "this test is much more difficult than the official one I swear" and ask them to believe you?
And before you still ask me to take a pointless JCAT, then no I will take the next JLPT test in July thank you. You can post your score then and we settle this.
>>142136881
as president of djt I formally give you permission to adopt a tripcode when you pass
ご誕生、心よりお待ちしております
>>142136962
ah i see, real life shit booooo
hssss
>>142136929
its like going to college.
it gives you a little piece of paper to prove to companies you can function.
otherwise it can serve as a way to measure owns progress or direct their study, as its ordered by difficulty, along with the jcat perhaps (this is my first time hearing of it so i know little about it)
>>142134773
p sure its always ha, never wa
>>142136983
Not everyone is a 廃人 like you.
>>142136975
>Why should people bother to take an unofficial certificate when they can take the official one?
Because not everyone needs an actual certificate and the unofficial one is fairly high quality, and it's nice to have a marker of your progress, as well as something to tell you when it may be worth taking the N1 for real.
>And before you still ask me to take a pointless JCAT, then no I will take the next JLPT test in July thank you.
So you haven't taken the JLPT OR the JCAT? Why did you even bother posting if you know literally fucking nothing?
>>142136758
I've used anki for months to memorize individual kanji so I can't speak from the perspective of someone who learned without it, but in the end anki did bore me to shit and I never seriously used it for vocab.
Well I actually did try for some time in the beginning, but I ran into the same problem as you did with kanji and also found the first few hundred core2k words to be completely useless in practice so I dropped the deck.
It's something like 7 or 8 months since I first started studying up on the language, and since then I've built enough of a foundation with grammar and kanji to be able to trudge through an LN with a dictionary and understand everything, and it just feels much better to me to discover vocab that way than it does to drill words in anki. I won't deny anki's usefulness but I don't think I will use it for hardcore daily drilling anymore. Maybe a mining deck when I run into a wall.
>>142136975
>take the next test in july
i hope you applied because you cant now
>>142137022
wtf how do you know about my arm
creepy
>>142136962
they ask for it because they would get a flood of shitty garbage applicants if they didn't
in practice your skill is very apparent after only a few minutes on the phone and the test itself guarantees nothing
>>142136981
コテハン付けたかったらとっくにつけてるよ
許可とかここのスレ民に好かれてるかとか正直どうでもいい
>>142137045
then post your JLPT score? or you're just another guy too scared for real test and justify it with a pointless test? It's just one month away for me anyway.
>>142136761
ねいてぃぶはこういうてすとになるよ
http://www.dnc.ac.jp/albums/abm.php?f=abm00005012.pdf&n=2701-0101+kokugo.pdf
ねいてぃぶようは
ききとりテストがないよ
>Sorry, unable to open the file at this time.
Can't see the google doc, but I recommend this book as well as "Essential Japanese Grammar" by Akira Miura. The vocab one has 300 pages of about 500 words, most of which you probably already know. The good part is that is gives very clear explanations of what situations to use words in versus other words that have the same or similar use or english translation.
The grammar just has a whole lot of important grammar points, and a huge index of words divided by word type (noun, adjective, adverb, etc). If you are high level you'll know most if not all of the grammar but the index is a good source of words.
I mean everything depends on your level but among many shitty books i've bought, these were pretty good
>inb4 shill
>>142137229
forgot the pic
>>142137229
thanks Akira
>>142137166
Given that I've taken one of the two tests I know infinitely more than you.
そんなにJCATがいやなら実際日本語で書いて自分の日本語を証明してくれてもいいよ？
そうすればどっちが日本語が上手いか簡単に分かるだろ？
まさかお前とったことのないテストにいつまでもすがりつくつもりじゃないだろうな
>>142137345
おれ の にほんご わ さいこう です
>>142137047
Thanks, that really helps. Glad to hear I'm not the only one unhappy with it. There's other tools so I guess I'll experiment and see what clicks for me.
Did you find a better alternate method for getting kanji memorized or was it just through exposure and heavy dictionary use?
>>142137345
偽物はいつまでも偽物だ。インターネットで荒らすより公式な試験を受けてみるほうがいいだ。卑怯な男。
>>142137801
ＪＬＰＴって一回なんえんくらいでうけられるの？
>>142137886
ここには、１５００円ぐらい。高くないと思う。
>>142137801
受けたいと思ってすぐに受けるわけでもないし、金もかかるし、他にいろいろ理由があってべつに怖いから受けてないとは限らないよ？
今から受験を決心したって１２月まで受けることは出来ないよ
合格とかが問題になるレベルはとっくに超えてるとおもうので、今は完璧主義者みたいな気持ちでどうせ取るなら出来るだけいい点を取りたいと思ってる
ギリギリ合格してもうれしくない
満点に近い点数でなきゃ満足しないよ俺は
I don't get this part, or more like how do I read this part?
"From now on, there's no one who I can thank for... who will be repaid"
I know it sounds very bad, but can't think of anything else.
>>142137466
I pretty much just used anki for that. Did a deck with radicals in it first and then did another deck with both production and recognition cards for kanji. I have somewhere around 2000 mature kanji cards right now, after stopping the flow of new cards and deleting all the production ones.
The deck I did had a few example words for all the kanji that had common enough words that they could be used in. This helps a little in getting around clumsy keywords and finding a more "true" meaning for some of the kanji.
I didn't really employ the RTK method (that is, remembering one unique keyword per kanji through a convenient mnemonic device using its parts), instead I just made sure I knew what I was looking at and what kinds of words it was used in.
Also I wrote them down a bunch of times; this was a significant time investment.
If you're looking to completely avoid using anki, then I don't know what advice I can give you about kanji specifically.
>>142137886
Here it's like $80 I think, plus it would take maybe $20 each way to get to the test center and back
Can we stop comparing our Japanese dick sizes
>>142138087
Can you be any more of a woman?
>>142138024
Without being thanked or rewarded by anyone
>>142136746
Rekt holh shit if i wrre the other giy i would hang myself lmao
>>142138160
Fuck, it sounds so easy like that. Thanks anon.
>>142138087
そうしなきゃこのスレは何のためにあるんだというの？
>>142137983
そんな風に思えば、いつまでも受けられない。完璧な人は誰もいない。なんたって、公式な証明書を持ちたい、ただあえて認めない。
When I'm using Anki, I always write down every single kanji of the card (including the ones in the example sentence) on a piece of paper, but this often takes too long and I'm unable to concentrate until I'm done with the deck.
Should I start writing down only the main kanji of the card or keep on doing this?
>>142138024
～も～も
this is very basic and means "~ and ~"
when it's negative it means "neither ~ nor ~"
あれもこれも食べる
eat this and that
この先誰かに労われることも報われることもなく
after this I won't be thanked by anyone nor rewarded by anyone
>>142137979
TOEICいっかい５０００えんとか６０００えんとかとるんだけど
たかいんだけど
>>142138024
just remember に ... passive means the subject (marked by は) is receving the action
>>142138345
Do you want to be able to write? Then you have to write, of course. You could make it easier on yourself by doing it separately or something.
>>142138419
>Do you want to be able to write?
Yes, I do
>doing it separately or something.
What do you mean?
>>142138478
He means writing the kanji after you do your reps, instead of during.
>>142138490
Oh, I see. I'll give it a shot, then.
>>142138322
完璧を目指してるわけじゃないけどね
ただ出来るだけいい点数を取りたい
卒業が近づいてるから正直もう頃合いだろうとは思うんだけど
日本に就職すしたい みたいな具体的な理由なんかいままでなかったのでこれほど延長することが出来た
とにかく自分の日本語には結構自信あるからどっかのどうでもいい試験とってない理由でどうこういわれるとムカつくんだよな
ever noticed words in chinese that have a similar yet different meaning in japanese?
Like 酒家 being pub in japanese, but in chinese it's (just?) restaurant.
>>142138621
I'm not a disgusting, dirty chink so no
>>142138621
Yes and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kAgoYvABHg
>>142139021
>完敗 is pronounced the same as 乾杯
heh
>>142134773
written as は, spoken as わ in all cases
is there any real difference in pronunciation between something like
たおす
and
たうす
?
>>142139611
>たおす
"taosu"
>たうす
"toosu"
>>142139611
お and う are one vowel so no there isn't
>>142139643
>たうす
>"toosu"
What?
>>142139611
>たうす
I don't think such a word exists
>>142139560
that post is cold bait but
it is actually written as こんにちわ sometimes too, as a colloquialism I guess
>>142139683
The []-a-u line is read as []-o-o or []-o-u.
Example
斯様 - かやう - "kayou"
Or wait, you're not asking about Classical Japanese?
>>142139691
I know, but I just encountered 倒す and wondered if there would been any, even subtle difference in pronunciation if the お was a う after a consonant.
A better example would have been
かお
and
かう
I guess
So, is there a distinguishable difference?
>>142139856
Why the fuck wouldn't there be?
>>142139867
because お and う trailing after a consonant+あ sound identical from what I can tell unless I'm just listening wrong?
>>142139856
There is one and it's not too subtle.
買う
顔
Just try saying the words, if they're the same you're doing something wrong.
is there any real difference in pronunciation between something like
rear
and
leer
?
>>142139732
Tbqrnwyf all the cool kids just say こん
I just wanted some example sentences.
弾むリズムfor life繋がってくんだほらここを信じていいんだよ
what does this translate to?
>>142139927
you're right
they really pronunciate the う, or at least the jdic audio samples do
I thought both just kind of extended the consonant to be longer, like a ー, but only 顔 seems to do that
I'm retarded
>>142140048
something something japanese music is a blight
>>142140048
smoke anki 420 imgay for life
>>142140057
if you're actually deaf and not baiting
http://www.imabi.net/l287japanesephonology.htm
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2008/07/11/explaining-the-long-vowel-sound/
there are only limited cases where that happens with two different vowel sounds like that and none of them involve anything in the -a column
Absolutely despicable.
>Sign up for J-Cat
>Going to take at least 72 hours for a password
>Oh hey there's sample questions!
>Waste 20 minutes
>Not even given any kind of rating or result at the end
Goddamnit
>>142140495
dont worry youll find out that you dont know japanese soon enough
>>142140046
what a meme dictionary
>>142140501
Towards the end it started giving me long government documents filled with technical kanji and political jargon, so I guess it must've thought I was good enough for them.
/djt/'s level of skill is incredibly weird.
Grammar and comprehension-wise, it's sub-par compated to the level a learner would be for their amount of experience, but at the same time the typical /djt/-goer tends to know some esoteric kanji, obscure verbal forms even a native wouldn't know exactly, and generally unknown idioms.
All of this while ignoring the majority of basic Japanese.
It's fascinating.
>>142140609
>/djt/
>>142140609
>taps on glass
please read the sign, no photography
おにいちゃんおなかすいた
いっしょにごはんたべよ
>>142140609
凡人文語ブスブスベロベロ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbQDaQOajnM
>>142140609
Because we're one person, you fucking ESL moron.
>>142140731
ううん。今貴様が終末をウプロドするだぞ
>>142140731
いや
俺ケーキほしい
>>142140819
is ESL just the go-to insult regardless of what anyone actually posted anymore
>>142140609
>Grammar and comprehension-wise, it's sub-par compated to the level a learner would be for their amount of experience
Where the hell do you get that from? The median DJT goer has probably only studied for 3-6 months
>>142140882
you shut your filthy ESL mouth
>>142140897
I don't know if we go to the same DJT if you don't think there's a substantial lack of grammar study here.
It's like people go on to study for N1 kanji before they even start on basic grammar rules.
>>142140942
I think you are just ignoring huge amounts of sample bias along with the fact that reading native material means anything can pop up at any time
>>142140828
おもしろくはなかったよ
>>142140843
あたしはチーズケーキがいいな
おにいちゃんかってきて
>>142140882
He's either autistic or ESL. I picked the kinder insult.
>>142140942
It's only natural to start studying kanji as soon as possible. Whether those are N1, N5 or not covered at all means absolutely nothing.
>>142141066
No it's not natural to be a kanji cuck.
atashi takusan nihongo wakaru
atashi no dai chinko o kimi ni agerukara issyo ni asabou yo onii chan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctsmbfpKiSY
http://bizacademy.nikkei.co.jp/language/phrase/article.aspx?id=MMACb5009008072015
they just reach as far as they can for those english idioms don't they
>>142140942
I don't know if we go to the same DJT if you don't think most people here only consume entertainment media and therefore don't really need extensive grammar study here.
Basic grammar is enough to get started, you can use a search machine for the rest and learn as you go.
Only people who want to talk or write as soon as possible (to get laid in the land of son l(m)aos) need to learn a lot of grammar
>>142141021
すまん
チョコケーキもうフリーザーにある
俺全部食うと思う
>>142138409
What is happening to that little girl?
>>142141194
大うんこ
>>142141162
>Basic grammar is enough to get started, you can use a search machine for the rest and learn as you go.
And then end up being an embarasssing pleb like this.
>http://mdzanime.me/2016/05/05/news-may-2016/
>Oh right, and I still haven’t found a way to hook the text in kanishino. If someone knows of a method, then let me know. I’d appreciate it.
He (poorly) translates KoiRizo for EOPs and writes tons of reviews for tons of game, but can't read a game without machine translations. Just embarassing. Don't be that guy.
>>142141236
Are you retarded? What the fuck has that guy to do with anything I said?
>Don't be that guy.
I am not, that's why you mentioning him doesn't make any sense.
How would you even know that guy? I've never heard of him because I don't need shitty fan translations.
>>142141236
whats the diff between someones stupid ass blog and your stupid ass posting doe
>>142141236
why would that happen unless you're already an embarrassing pleb like him?
do you really think it's a good idea, or even possible, to learn all of japanese grammar before reading something written in japanese? learning as you go is undeniably the right strategy here
>>142141236
Nice is that your favorite blogger?
>>142141312
>>142141316
>>142141322
>>142141387
Holy shit the triggering. I guess you just can't fathom someone not being a machine TL user.
>>142141413
what exactly made you start thinking about machine TLs here
>>142141413
I don't use texthookers but thx for the blog i'll wait for his translations too
>>142141438
How can you read anything when you only know >>142141162
>Basic grammar is enough to get started, you can use a search machine for the rest and learn as you go.
basic grammar and need to look up more advanced grammar?
At that point you have no vocabulary? Or was there some unspoken agreement that you need to be autistic and spend your life doing Anki? It's either that or machine TL for vocab. I guess every autist ITT did Anki for some basic vocab and then pretends he can read anything.
>>142141413
Again, why would you even know about that guy specifically?
It seems you're unusually butt hurt about the common phenomenon of retarded shitters providing "translations". Do you need his translations?
>>142141524
Nobody said anything about no vocab, you autist. Read the context of the conversation before embarrassing yourself. >>142140942
> substantial lack of grammar study
Wait, reading the post you've quoted would even have been enough.
>and therefore don't really need extensive grammar study here.
>>142141565
>>142141588
Yeah, I'm retarded. My apologies.
>>142141524
you don't need vocab to read something
you use a dictionary and the context those words appear in to learn as you go
all you need is a good grasp of grammar beforehand so you can piece together the elements and picture what's going on
the more advanced grammar comes from slowly honing more precise conceptions of what certain phrases mean after hearing them many times
this is what learning as you go or learning through exposure means
it's the fundamental principle behind learning literally anything
lets be real most of you guys just texthook identify nouns verbs and adjectives and just write the rest of the sentence in english in your head however you want
>>142141188
ぜったいにゆるさない
>>142141657
And even if they do, why do you have to slight them for it, faggot?
I bet you think you're cool cause you can read simple Japanese sentences and that's all you have for yourself. lol 草が生える
>>142140495
>Going to take at least 72 hours for a password
Has taken me less than an hour each of the three times I've made an account
>>142141657
no i write them down by handbefore doing it
>>142141657
I'll never understand people who use text hookers for anything other than easy and fast dictionary access.
打出の小槌
>>142142083
Did you read momotarou?
>>142142104
I'm reading it now
>>142142115
Please tell us what you thought about the h-scene when you're done
I've seen some heavy criticism against anki and the guide ITT
Now I just finished the kanas I was planning on checking out TK and setting up anki with a radicals deck, whatever that means, since i read they make it easier to recognize new kanji and stuff. I only roughly know what these are about but it seemed a good approach since I have no hurry to start reading anyway
The problem is, my comp broke so I'm not sure if I'll have software limitations or whatever issues using a mobile
Thoughts?
>>142142167
I used to look forward to Kairakuten releases every month but somehow they seem to have become very bland as of late. I tried reading Vol. 7 of Comic KOH a few months ago which was fantastic and quickly becoming my favourite magazine. Somehow they've managed to keep all the submissions very high quality, and most importantly, they focus on the H which is something that a lot of artists tend to forget. No matter how good your art is, nobody is going to like your work if it's 8 pages of introductions to the character full of dumb dialogue and character interaction, 2 pages of foreplay, 2 pages of H in the standard positions and the cumshot taking up maybe half a page.
I have a txt file where I take down the names of artists that I like, but it seems like so many of them are very inconsistent. Whereas artists from KOH seem to be very competent and deliver on every single issue.
Other thoughts: The "dominant girl at the start gets dominated by weak beta partner who ruins the femdom" trope is really fucking annoying(http://exhentai.org/s/7918255e30/718113-47) . If they're too lazy, artists should stick to pandering to one audience, otherwise go all the way and make it so that they take turns fucking each other (http://exhentai.org/g/322029/7cb6f86a43/). Some of the more mainstream and liked artists among /a/ haven't been active for a while either. Where is yamatogawa and syati kamakobo (Yamatogawa's colour work in KOH 7 was lovely though) ?
I seem to have rambled a bit and ended up sounding like a shill for Comic KOH (汗)
Momotarou was a nice read. It seems like Akutagawa's version deviates from the original folk tale, probably to convey some sort of political message. Imouto?
>>142142736
no
and radicals aren't needed
>>142142736
>I have no hurry to start reading anyway
Neck yourself redditor
>>142142736
Yea, that's fine. Really there very few really bad learning methods. That Anki and the guide are criticized at least indicates that people do use them. It's when something isn't talked about at all that you really should start to worry.
>>142142736
>I have no hurry to start reading anyway
reading should consist of at least 60% of your studies
time not spent reading is time spent not really learning
memorizing radicals is like memorizing building blocks of kanji but they don't mean anything by themselves at all
the idea is you tie a meaningless keyword to each meaningless radical and when you look at a kanji, you can recall the components that makes it up to help with memorization
it's mostly useless unless you want to be able to write by hand
>>142142736
>I have no hurry to start reading anyway
Oops, missed this. This is one of those few really bad learning methods.
>>142142736
Ankidroid for mobile is pretty much the same as Anki for PC.
>I've seen some heavy criticism against Anki and the guide ITT
As with most generals, you can either trust individual people out of hundreds of posters or the guide that was made over years by multiple anons.
>>142142757
>The "dominant girl at the start gets dominated by weak beta partner who ruins the femdom" trope is really fucking annoying
I like it, but I get why someone wouldn't.
>>142142895
>it's mostly useless unless you want to be able to write by hand
as someone whom never bothered with radicals, i regret it now because i struggle with sloppy handwriting and strange fonts
i will eventually start RTK just to help with that
How do I "open" up a deck and delete cards en masse?
>>142142909
It's better when the H after the 'transition' is more loving, but instead the majority of h manga artists who employ this trope default to the speed lines + furiously ramming the manko approach. Seriously it's more like rape at that point when it's supposed to be vanilla
>>142142984
even if he did want to write by hand though, RTK is something you can pick up at any point
but in my opinion it's best to just start learning vocabulary and reading as soon as possible
I forgot about trying to read shitty handwriting or weird fonts though
>>142142902
The guide is good, but it's important for people to realize it's not the be-all end-all. That one guy keeps saying it, but it's important for you to do what you think will work best for you. The best thing about self-teaching is that you can tailor everything to your own needs.
That said, Anki is almost always useful. Whether it's core 2k, or mining your own deck, there's really no reason to not have it.
>>142142766
>>142142895
So core2k would be better after all?
>>142142781
>>142142899
I meant I wouldn't be one bit annoyed over studying grammar for a longer period as opposed to facerolling a dictionary for every sentence i read
But come to think of it i started seriously learning english with just a dictionary translating fucking linking park
I'll take your advice to heart
>>142143015
browser
shift+click
del
>>142143107
>learning english with just a dictionary translating fucking linking park
even if you're trying to learn jap, in the end, it doesnt even matter
>>142143147
Not sure I follow. How do I enter inside the deck? Pressing on it just shows me the generic "Congratulations!" page
>>142143187
isn't there something like "browse" or "browser" near the top?
I don't have anki installed but I remember there being an add and browse button
>>142143187
menu -> card browser
