Finally got around to watching Rebellion. What exactly did Homura do wrong?
>>141877266
She wasn't as good as Mami.
>>141877266
>what exactly did Homura do wrong
Nothing. She made a happy ending for everyone and became queen of a universe.
Stop making everything a contest. It's possible to like all the characters and still have a favorite. I can like Mami the most, I don't have to shitpost about the others.
>>141877266
She betrayed Madoka's wish for the greater good and condemned herself to suffer for it.
>>141877266
Literally nothing, she fucked up QB, which makes her right.
>>141877266
Nothing.
>>141877266
the fact that the conversation around rebellion and homu's actions was reduced by /a/ she did nothing wrong vs she did everything wrong is very sad and speaks pretty badly of /a/nons. not that it isn't to be expected.
>>141877301
>She wasn't as headless as Mami
corrected that for you anon.
>>141877630
Neither of them look into it at all.
>>141878539
Punishment isn't pleasurable. Except for the observer. I fapped several times to this.
>>141877630
I didn't like her trapping Madoka, but yeah, Kyuubei at the end was a nice consolation.
She did nothing wrong. Blame bad writing for making her become a devil and take Madoka's powers through "sheer force of will"
>>141878969
Can't wait for the incubator race togoextinct.
>>141877266
Fuck off cancer. How many of these threads are you going to make?
>>141879194
It was love.
>>141877266
What didn't she do wrong?
>>141877266
Nothing Madoka won't forgive her for later. But as long as she's burdened by guilt and self-hatred, she's a threat to herself and the stability of the universe
>>141881955
>Wraith Arc
Got it. The summaries I was getting and the pages made it seem like she was just giving into it. The atmosphere made it seem like Homura was falling for some type of seduction.
>>141877266
Nothing, virgins just like to have something to argue about because they get bored
>>141880684
Sayaka fag detected
>>141878539
Madoka is questioning why she chose to indulge Homura's masochism and Homura's questioning why Madoka isn't using the paddle.
>>141877266
Nothing. She made Kyubey her bitch and made it so everyone else can live happily ever after. At least until Madoka's god powers awaken then shit hits the fan.
>Sayaka: You’re really campaigning for Asshole of the Year, aren’t you?
>Homura: As defending champion, are you nervous?
>>141877266
Nothing, people are just dumb.
>>141882673
Is that even a punishment?
Not guilty: Kyouko
Abstention: Madoka
>>141882325
Rough/incomplete translation here:
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/95nrrmmj9szz9iu/Majuu-06%20ENG.xlsx?dl=0[/url]
Note that the ending of the wraith kidnapping Homura is prompted by Homura's own request-- the wraith suggests Homura simply use memory manipulation on Kyoko and Mami so they can run away, but Homura asks the wraith to "free [her] from being a magical girl" and the wraith complies.
>>141880684
People will probably keep making Madoka threads until our sun explodes.
>>141882886
>Kyouko
>part of the cycle
>>141882933
>Post-post-Rebellion
>LoC isvoters would be all magical girls
Who else would vote not guilty?
>>141882886
I feel like these should be flipped.
>>141882994
Mami and Kyouko aren't dead. Not guilty is Madoka, Abstention is Sayaka.
>>141882907
>A coward who turned her back on her duty as magical girl
Is she asking it to kill her or fuck her? I guess we'll find out in two weeks.
>Debating doujinshi
Okay, let's get really autistic
>>141883041
I argue Madoka would abstain because it goes against popular opinion and her role as the LoC. Outside of pissing off Sayaka, she'd have no reason to vote guilty because her wish wasn't terribly different than what Homura was doing.
>>141883045
It's post-post-Rebellion, so I figured they'd be dead too.
>>141883045
I'd think Madoka would abstain because she can't come to a decision that would be compatibly with her role. Why would Sayaka abstain?
>>141883216
*Kyouko would have no reason
>>141878539
"this hurts me more than it hurts you homura"
>>141882476
Moving on is never an option when you're traumatized the extent that Homura was. Her only alternative was to accept defeat and die miserable.
>>141883216
I guess the whole premise of a court with a jury kind of throws a wrench in things. It's pretty much a forgone conclusion in canon that Madoka will unconditionally forgive Homura once she comes to an understanding, which translates to "not guilty" in the context of this doujin. That being said, your argument is valid and I can't really say anything else beyond what my perception is.
>>141883553
Yeah, it's a stupid discussion to begin with. I kean, this is her "punishment"
>>141882673
>''You made me wait forever! (super pissed)''
i dunno, i'm pretty sure the one got stranded waiting forever was homu while madoka was safe playing virgin mary (accepting better analogies...), technically miss goddess shouldn't be angry at all given the INCREDIBLE amount of bullshit homu took post-walpurgis (ch. wraith optional) and in the dreamworld.
then again, we are talking about a futa doujin so...
>>141883705
And here I was thinking that this wasn't an h-doujin. Shit, in that case, it seems like she'd vote guilty so she could dole out said punishment.
>>141877266
Nothing, since the character seen at the end of Rebellion is not actually Homura. They completely threw out her characterization and the preceding story to force an ending that would enable them to make a sequel more easily. If they had logically followed from what happened before and what Homura is like, the movie would have ended with Madoka and Homura fucking off to magical girl heaven.
But there's no use explaining this to anyone because most Madoka fans don't even understand such concepts as out of character, plot hole, consistency, tone and theme. They don't understand how fiction works on a basic level. It's very easy for Shaft & co. to piss in their eye and tell them it's raining.
>>141883705
Source
>>141883343
i do wonder tho, even if she decided to do that, how can you move on when your city is in ruins, and you are an orphan and the last survivor of it?
>>141883892
Anon, I don't think you understand. At that point, she hated QB about as much as she loved Madoka
>>141882912
I hope you all have this dumbshit filtered.
>>141883754
Madoka wait much longer than Homura, she is a concept, that means that Madoka existed since the beginning of the universe, or at least from the moment QB began to make contracts, which is the beginning of human history.
>>141877432
>She fixed Madoka's wish for the greater good and now shoulders some of the burden for Madoka.
Fixd
>>141879194
>bad writing for making her become a devil
How is that bad writing? After all those repeats and all of her own karmic destiny building up, and the fact that Madoka allowed her to continue to exist with her memories intact, surely there's reason enough to think Homura is special enough to do what she did?
>>141883892
Rewatch the flower field scene. You clearly missed something if you think this was at all out-of-character for Homura.
>Homura did nothing wrong
>Homura did everything wrong
>Madoka still loves her
>Madoka hates her
So what's going to happen when all this bullshit is settled with the new movie?
>>141884220
He's going to be at the New York MikuExpo, somebody should beat him up!
>>141884455
You can argue that she did improve Madoka's wish, but she still betrayed her in some form. Also she pretty much bears all of the burden for Madoka, at least for now, since Madoka is living a normal life.
>>141884544
>So what's going to happen when all this bullshit is settled with the new movie?
Seeing as rebellion was a deconstruction of Madoka's wish, the follow-up will be a deconstruction of what Homura did. I'd think it will end with her and Madoka teaming up against the Incubators, or perhaps entropy itself.
>>141884404
well, who had the brilliant idea of not only wish to become an eternal concept, but also leave her girlfriend back in earth with her memories intact when she easily could take her anyway?
>>141884544
>Homura did some wrong, some right
>Madoka still loves her
>Homura THINKS Madoka will hate her
>It's up to Homura to accept Madoka's love
>>141884455
Don't take the bait on number 3.
>>141884544
Anyone who isn't autistic knows she did somethings wrong and somethings right. She'll be redeemed.
>Madoka
>Hating anyone
Nobody actually believes Madoka hates her outside of militant MadoSaya shippers and HomuHater.
>>141884626
>You can argue that she did improve Madoka's wish, but she still betrayed her in some form.
I would argue the mere fact that she improved on Madoka's wish is evidence enough that she did not betray Madoka. I do not even think Madoka will feel as if Homura needs to be forgiven. She might even thank Homura for doing more to stop the Incubators.
>Also she pretty much bears all of the burden for Madoka, at least for now
Yes, they would both have to grow up as people. Homura can be considered much more matured due to re-living the timelines over-and-over, but it's a bit of a twisted maturity.
>>141884700
Madoka has to tell her outright desu. Homura's too broken to see Madoka's actions screaming "fuck me" in the concept movie
>>141877266
everything
>>141884850
>concept movie
wat
>>141884763
I think Madoka thanking her would essentially be a redo of the space hug. I'd rather them forgive each other for betraying each others wishes for so long and putting it behind them.
>>141884914
Lurk moar.
We can only get this once they both self-actualize.
>>141885070
>Lurk moar.
Well it must be a relatively NEW thing because I sure as shit haven't heard anything about it since Rebellion came out.
>>141884763
See, that's what I hope they try to portray. I would absolutely love it if Madoka not only recognizes and understands Homura's reasoning and feelings, but outright vindicates her by showing appreciation moreso than forgiveness. I don't think they're going to go that route, though.
You can argue for Madoka's maturity by her existence being eternal and having omniscience over magical girls, although she may not have a full understanding (as demonstrated in how Homura was inadvertently shafted by her wish). Homura has a twisted maturity, yes, but she's socially immature due to her problematic relationships.
>>141884850
Not just tell her outright, but actually convince her. Homura would probably freak out and listing off reasons why Madoka should hate her.
>>141885025
>Thank you for rape me and imprisoning me, Homura-chan!
>>141885151
Going on 7 months and bi-monthly updates in Kirara and New Type on the progress,
>>141885160
>Homura would list off reasons
As would Madoka in any sort of confession.
>>141885161
>Rape
Homura's only based on Chikane.
>>141885151
Mami is the central character and there is also a new lingerie line. She's referred to as a Guan Yu styled figure and will most likely play the role as a third power emerging.
>>141885473
>and there is also a new lingerie line
Now Mami can hold up your mammies!
>>141885305
>7 months
I must have missed the big reveal, as I've only been semi-absent from /a/ for maybe 4-5 months.
>>141885473
>Mami is the central character
>will most likely play the role as a third power emerging.
Not sure if trolling, but I am now imagining a new string of movies, with each of the girls borrowing a piece of Madoka's power to become a god and make the universe bend to their will.
>>141885860
I imagine Kyokos would be something like cloudy with a chance of meatballs. I'd watch it.
I've been on the fence since watching Rebellion. On the one hand, Homura obviously genuinely loves Madoka and everything she does is out of a desire to see her not-girlfriend happy. On the other hand, she's fucking crazy and is absolutely willing to fuck up literally everything for that end goal. She's a borderline psychopath in her pursuit of Madoka's safety and happiness. That girl would shoot a starving puppy between the eyes if she thought it might interfere. And what she does at the end probably constitutes abuse, since she's confining Madoka against her will. Her love is obsessive and unhealthy, however genuine it is. Her heart was more or less in the right place but she did so much wrong because it overflowed to the point where she ignored all else.
>>141885860
>Not sure if trolling, but I am now imagining a new string of movies, with each of the girls borrowing a piece of Madoka's power to become a god and make the universe bend to their will.
I'm not. And that's not really not a concern. Her character would have to play mediator if anything. She would fight for the "good" side, but would understand that Homura is a lonely, hurt child on the inside because that's what she is. Kyouko is going to be too busy doing shit with Sayaka and Madoka needs a power hitter to help her with Homura. Once she gets her god powers back, she has no reasn to fight Homura, so I dn't think we'll be seeing Madokami.
>>141886197
>borderline
>>141877266
Nothing. Until we see how the continuation unfolds we cannot possibly judge her actions
>>141886197
You're welcome to your opinions, but be aware it isn't shared by most of the fan base or the production team.
>That girl would shoot a starving puppy between the eyes if she thought it might interfere.
If this were true, she'd have killed Sayaka before she became meguca and she'd have killed her again in her new universe. She didn't.
>>141886450
My only counter to that is that killing Sayaka would have interfered with Madoka's happiness in and of itself, considering they're close friends. But HOLY SHIT REASONABLE DEBATE/RESPONSES ON THE INTERNET. I love you, man.
>>141886450
She probably didn't kill her because Madoka would have wished her back alive again and she probably kept her alive in the new universe to keep
Madoka from realizing anything was off.
>>141886197
>Mami pressuring the girls into contracts to quell her loneliness. Later shown to be horrifically unstable.
>Kyouko introduces herself by beating the ever loving shit out of Sayaka. Is atleast partially responsible for Sayaka's witchification
>Sayaka is a naive, blowhard hypocrite. Her attitude and inability to see past her narrow views literally got people killed.
What made you think any of these characters were good people?
>>141886450
She was explicitly willing to kill Sayaka in order to prevent Madoka from having to see her break down
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>>141886647
>Mami pressuring the girls into contracts to quell her loneliness
>>141886647
Kyoko is as lonely as Mami and just doesn't want to admit it. Frankly, I feel her cynical feels pretty hard myself. She knows and understands that people are almost all shit, which is a gift. She actively pushes people away for fear of being hurt like she was by her own father.
Sayaka is a blowhard. And naive. But not totally sure about hypocrisy or narrow-mindedness.
As for Mami, you practically nailed it. But you have to keep in mind these are girls in junior high. Everyone is a self-centered dipshit at that age anyway. Throw in the kind of stress they're dealing with as magical girls and of course you get insanity. Bonus: QB probably picked them specifically because they were already prone to going totally loopy.
>>141886573
What else can you really say? Homu has issues, but Jesus, she a broken 14 year old girl. It's not like Madoka will hate her for it. I agree that she knows that would hurt Madoka, but Madoka dying hurts Madoka a lot more.
>>141886637
By killing Mami and Sayaka at the start of the loop in their sleep, Homura wouldn't have any problems. She's not evil. That's why she doesn't.
>>141886897
>Homura wouldn't have any problems
Aside from Madoka contracting to bring Sayaka back to life? It'd be pretty hard to convince her not to.
>>141886675
And Kyouko was wlling to kill her for the fun of it. Your point? Homura knew she would become a witch. It wasn't a break down, it was her witchification. She even offered her a grief seed first.
>>141886897
They're all pretty broken. By personal tragedy, the weight of responsibility, loneliness or simply the understanding that the world is an awful place full of awful people.
>>141886942
That's a nice head canon.
>>141886995
What
>>141886897
No because she probably already tried that only for Madoka to wish her best friend alive again. Why else would she try so hard to protect Sayaka during the series.
>>141877266
HOMO IS EVERYTHING WRONG
>>141886573
Keep in mind that when she was willing to kill Sayaka before, Sayaka was a lost cause and going to turn into a witch anyways. Had she actually succeeded, Kyoko wouldn't have died. Pragmatism. It was more like shooting a starving but violent dog with terminal rabies.
>>141886647
Good people can be pushed to do very wrong things when exposed to such massive degrees of trauma, especially since their brains are not developed fully.
>>141887007
You're using "what ifs" that were never mentioned in story. Madoka didn't revive Sayaka after seeing her killed by Kyouko. Why would she then?
>>141887044
Please don't be a giant faggot and ruin the adorable lesbians.
>>141887036
This is bullshit because Homura would never kill them because she isn't evil. She doesn't try it because she's not the psychopath you want to believe she is.
>>141887073
Exactly. Take child soldiers. Very similar situation. They're all suffering from PTSD. They've been abused and abandoned, they've killed and watched people die, and have great power and responsibility thrust upon them.
Reminder
>>141887094
She tried to make a contract to restore Sayaka to normal, but Homu repeatedly shot Kyubey preventing it. The reason she didn't make a contract to bring Sayaka back was she probably didn't believe it was possible to do it once she became a witch. IF Sayaka died while still human she might have given it a try. Or maybe not. who knows.
>>141887094
What? I was responding to a "what if", dipshit. That's how hypotheticals work. If Sayaka mysteriously dies, it's very plausible that Madoka would want to use her wish to bring her back.
>Madoka didn't revive Sayaka after seeing her killed by Kyouko
Uh, except she was literally in the middle of wishing Sayaka back from her downward spiral when Homura had to forcibly stop her. And after that, she finds out about the whole witch thing and she knows that any wish she makes will just make things worse.
>>141887073
>exposed to such massive degrees of trauma, especially since their brains are not developed fully.
I agree. I was pointing out that Homura's actions under duress are not any less upsetting than any of the other broken angels in this horror story.
>>141887140
Homura
>I'd commit the worst sins for one more chance, even if it turned me into a monster.
>>141887327
Who are you quoting?
>>141887212
Sayaka was alive at that point. Once Madoka learned about witches, she noped the fuck out of there.
>>141887094
Because by then she already knew about turning into a witch; even if she'd revived Sayaka, it'd happen again to both of them.
>>141887149
Magical girls basically are child soldiers.
>>141887327
And the worst sin for Homura is betraying Madoka, not but hering her friends.
>>141887357
Homura.
>>141887455
And when did she say that?
>>141887368
Exactly. They're fucked up for a reason. Kyoko realized very early on that magic and/or violence could solve most of her problems and has almost definitely killed human beings before. Sayaka took on the role to fight evil in general, not just witches, and even went as far as to outright murder two men on a train. Homura is... Well, she's a 14-year-old girl in love and with access to enough firepower to make /k/ shit itself in fear (and make me jealous). Mami watched her own parents die and had been cripplingly lonely ever since. Madoka basically feels worthless. They all do crazy shit.
>>141887222
The problem with your hypothetical is it supposes a level of brutality a character has never been shown to have, Your original statement was Homura would kill a puppy if it got in her way. I stated she would kill Sayaka and Mami. She doesn't. Even though kiling Mami would result in 0 consequences. Even if she did kill all of Madoka's freinds, Madoka thanks her for EVERYTHING she ever did for her at the end of the fucking series. So unless Madoka is secretly a sadist, than it can be presumed Homura isn't a fucking pyschopath who kills puppies that get in her way.
>>141887512
No, I'm not the original guy, all I was saying was that Homura couldn't just solve all her problems by assassinating people because one of the many factors she has to manage is trying to keep Madoka relatively happy so she doesn't damn the consequences and make a wish.
>>141887392
I wouldn't put it past her. If destroying Madoka in one timeline meant she could live a normal life in another she'd probably do it. She already did something similar.
>>141887471
Did you not watch rebellion?
>>141887592
That sounds a lot like a misremembered or poorly translated version of something she actually said in Rebellion.
>>141887563
>Did something similar
Homura literally has a negative death count.
>>141887559
And I'm saying she wouldn't do it because she isn't a monster. She hesistates to pull the trigger on Mami's soul gem in Rebellion, lowers the gun to her knee, and closes her eyes before pulling the trigger. She doesn't kill people for fun.
>>141887620
What version did you watch? That's exactly word for word what she said.
>>141877266
Well she rewrote the entire universe for her own sick obsession with wanting to protect Madoka which goes all the way back to her initial wish.
On the upside the entropy thing was always fucking stupid and the rat deserves to be blown the fuck out. Madoka also let on while mind wiped that she wasn't really happy being god and everyone that died is now revived so I'd say it's a net positive overall. In reality the only person that is really suffering is Homura.
>>141887171
Oh got it, HomuHater is back.
>>141887682
Moreover, Homura actively despises herself for shooting Madoka despite the fact that Madoka explicitly asked her to do it and there was literally no other alternative other than letting her turn into a witch.
>>141887682
>implying psychopaths kill for fun
They don't. They kill for gains. If they don't have any reason to hurt you (or, better yet, if they have a reason to NOT hurt you), they won't.
>people still think Homura was wrong
>they still think Madoka wants to be apart from her family
>they think Sayaka doesn't want to be alive on earth
>they think the space rats don't deserve to get their comeuppances
All Homura did was make a perfect set up for a final chapter of the series. Prepare your asses for maximum healing.
>>141887828
Homura is not devoid of empathy, though.
>>141883705
I'm not into Yuri, but jesus.
>Dem legs
>Dem feet
>>141887751
It's not even subtle. While Homura has some yandere tendencies, reducing her to simply "muh toxic obsession for muh 'doka" ignores so much of what happened in the series. I feel like some people took that old chart seriously and only watched the last 20 minutes of Rebellion. The whole movie was a build up to a completely broken Homura correcting her "mistake" at the end of the series.
>>141887891
Not completely and utterly. But she has extremely little of it. Madoka is her absolute everything. Her entire universe revolves around the sweet, pink-haired girl who saved her life. And she's all that matters.
>>141886647
We've seen in multiple timelines they were capable of being best buds but Homura just gave up on anything but stopping Madoka's contract at a point.
Homura skulking around did not help anyone's trust of other magical girls in later timelines.
They did a good job with the dub.
Original
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kwXaK12envI
Dub
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j4VGJmgeyCc
>>141887875
I think it's trolling. That or Tumblr is raiding this Madoka thread.
>>141888020
I rewatched everything dubbed and it was pretty top quality.
>>141887983
Yet she gives all the ungrateful bitches from the series happy endings that none of them deserved,
>>141887997
You know exactly why that happened.
>>141887926
It's futa.
>>141888020
>>141888119
Jesus christ stop posting shitty tumblr gifs what is wrong with you people
>>141888125
She does it to make Madoka happy. All the little good things are by-products or steps to that end goal.
>>141888178
>tripfags
>dub watchers
>people
You should have all your answers
Blue moon
You saw me standing alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own
Blue moon
You knew just what I was there for
You heard me saying a prayer for
Someone I really could care for
>>141887957
And even then they conveniently ignore the fact that Homura is completely aware of the evils she's committed and that she even forgoes Madoka's company in her new world because Homura believes Madoka would be better for it-- literally the exact opposite of what a yandere would do.
>>141887983
On the contrary, while she is goal-minded foremost, the fact that she is cognizant of her wrongdoings and so riddled self-loathing is an indicator that she does care that she's wronged others. Yes, the vast majority of it comes from her perception of wronging Madoka, but she still feels guilt for those whom she tramples.
>>141887997
Except they completely rebuff her when she introduces the fact that Kyubey is tricking them. And even if they didn't, Mami's breakdown is plenty reason to keep her mouth shut.
>>141888178
How does this make you feel?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JXEeEYUtqik
>>141888269
What exactly are you trying to prove?
>What exactly did Homura do wrong?
She used charcoal, not propane!
>>141888211
Yet she paired them in a way that they never were in the series. If she didn't give a shit, she would have reverted them back to nothing. Madoka is a new student who spent her years in America. Killing Sayaka would have done nothing because Madoka just remembers her as an old childhood friend. She doesnt even know Nagisa. Why is Nagisa alive and able to live with Mami? She does everythng for Madoka, yet the preceeding hour and forty minutes were her literally creating a dream world where they could all be happy. The only difference now is she is the only unhappy oerson in her new world.
>>141888262
>Except they completely rebuff her when she introduces the fact that Kyubey is tricking them. And even if they didn't, Mami's breakdown is plenty reason to keep her mouth shut.
Yes but we know that she did roughly 100 loops and she gave up on teamwork fairly early in the process. Homura became completely focused on only stopping Madoka from contracting when she should have kept attempting to find a way to recruit the others properly.
>>141888230
... Now I need to do a roleplaying playthrough of FNV as Mami.
>shotguns and bolt-action rifles only
>no sneak, frontal assault everything
>most garish outfit I can muster
Or as Homura.
>big guns and placed/thrown explosives only
>no speech or barter skills
>obsessively protect Veronica or Cass
>>141888321
I'm not trying to prove anything? I just love the dub and cover and wanted an opinion.
>>141888412
I'm not even clicking your shitty youtube links, I'm just saying stop posting tumblr gifs. Pay attention.
>>141888347
>Yes but we know that she did roughly 100 loops and she gave up on teamwork fairly early in the process
Because it didn't and never could work. She literally couldn't win. Madoka's death was fated to happen and it took Madoka making a wish to avoid that fate.
>>141888463
Tumblr doesn't own anything, that gif is ripped straight from the series.
>>141888347
>Homura's wrong because this is what I would do
>>141888507
Are you actually brain-damaged? The problem with tumblr (and similar) gifs is that they're cropped and choppy and filtered to look like ass. Is this really a difficult concept?
>>141888164
>It's futa.
I don't like futa. Fuck.
>>141888347
Can't rely on teamwork when you're autistic.
>>141888347
The problem is her story isn't believable at all, even in a world of magic. It's very reasonable to consider the fact that she's lying or otherwise trying to manipulate them. Especially with her piss-poor social skills.
>>141888355
Technically almost any gun for Homura is fair game. Pistols, SMGs, assault rifles, shotguns, LMGs, anti-tank weapons, and hell, even anti-ship missiles.
I think I discovered ACK's anime counterpart.
>>141888665
Also trucks
>>141888566
I think it looks fine and its from the series. I could see if someone from tumblr actually created the gif and posted on his account then you could somewhat call it tumblr property but I don't think that way because if it did half the pictures posted in these threads are tumblr property.
>>141888704
I don't give a fuck whose "property" it is, the concept is utterly meaningless. It looks like shit. If you think those look acceptable, you need to either get glasses or seriously re-evaluate your standards.
>>141888762
>it looks like shit
Thanks for your opinion.
>>141888665
>Especially with her piss-poor social skills.
This. Homura was dealt a shit hand even before becoming a magical girl. The PTSD just made everything worse.
>>141888665
True. But she seems to primarily favor heavier weapons for obvious reasons. Even her handguns look at least .45 in caliber, although that may be her adorable, holdable little hands distorting a 9mm.
>>141888655
>Can't rely on teamwork when you're autistic.
>>141888665
>piss-poor social skills.
Yes this is her exact issue just considering how many times she failed going at it alone working on her approach could have led to it working out at least once. Problem is she was pretty much permanently mind fucked after having to execute Madoka as made pretty clear by when she becomes a witch in Rebellion.
>>141888832
Her "siganture" handgun is the IMI Desert Eagle in series, and she uses a PPK 9mm in her fight with Mami.
>>141888355
>homu
>no speech or barter skills
>>141888355
Fuck that. I need to play a magical girl pen & paper.
Where's /tg/ when we need them?
>>141888897
Magical burst.
>>141888897
We could just mod D&D.
>>141888792
They are objectively low in quality due to the factors I already mentioned. It's simply a matter of whether you care or not. If you don't care, fine, whatever, but pretending they're totally fine for the sake of looking like an internet tough guy is very childish.
Why are all namefags so goddamned terrible? Is it your actual goal to annoy people?
>>141888875
Shit, really? I thought Homura would know better than to use such a shite weapon.
>>141888862
The PSP game has a route where Homura can keep everyone alive and stock pile giref seeds. They get wrecked by Walpurgisnacht anyways because she was too focused on keeping everyone happy and getting them there alive instead of preparing for the fight. She's forced to reset before they all die.
>>141888897
Probably in /tg/
>>141888832
>>141888875
I believe the famous scene when she riddles Kyubey with bullet holes featured a Beretta M9.
>>141888974
>Magical burst.
Neat. I'm checking it out.
>>141888986
>We could just mod D&D.
It would be pretty easy. We could just follow the Madoka universe rules.
A good GM with near autistic knowledge of Madoka, and magical girls, would be a must.
>>141889057
Also a shit weapon. Trigger too far forward.
>>141889032
She makes do with stealing from the JSDF and Yakuza; she can't simply order what she wants.
>>141889037
The whole route is a joke, though.
>>141889032
It's really just whatever can find and use. She doesn't reload, so I assume she just pulls out a new gun every time she needs a new one. The Desert Eagle is what she stole from the Yakuza.
>>141889065
We could use the same basic character build system with different classes and only one race.
>>141889037
I feel like the biggest problem is needing Mami's fire power to take it down but she is always the one that cracks.
>>141889003
>if you don't care fine whatever
Exactly
im not trying to look like a "internet tough guy" you attacked me and I was defending myself.
>why are namefags so goddamned terrible
See what you wrote about trying to be a internet tough guy.
Everything.
>>141889111
I thought she stole that shit from police and military. And not even yaks would be dumb enough to use a D'Eagle. Homura can only get away with it because enhanced meguca strength can help compensate for the absolutely retarded recoil.
>>141889098
It may be a joke, but it's one of the only answers to "Can Homura get everyone there alive?" There's also no reason for her to succeed in canon because of the necessaity of Madoka's wish. You can't blame a character for following the route set by the author.
>>141889086
List of Homura's firearms:
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_the_Movie:_Rebellion
>>141889186
>Desert Eagle
>>141889241
On closer inspection I actually think it is
>>141889240
Props to you. I didn't think anyone would actually bother compiling a list.
But for the record, it really is a stupid weapon.
>>141889286
>But for the record, it really is a stupid weapon
It was babby's first handgun. Chill out /k/
>>141889286
I'm sure /k/ would have a field day (or probably has had) with her.
This is the least vomit inducing Madoka thread in a long while.
>>141889332
I get autistic about guns sometimes. Especially shit like this. Also, all the single-handed shooting. Fuck. She gets away with it only because meguca are superhuman and can probably handle it.
>>141889131
Could work.
>>141889398
To be entirely fair, look at her damn shot grouping on Kyubey, and the sheer accuracy of the bullets in Rebellion such that they make flawless patterns. Shit's magic, yo.
>>141889400
I've considered similar things for creating Fallout campaigns.
>>141889398
Yeah, the fact she can do this is pretty much negates any issues with single hand shooting.
>>141877266
Went from a sympathetic tragic heroin to a crazy yandere lesbian monster who would defy her friend's wishes and lie to them if it meant getting what she wanted, while paying no heed to any possible consequence.
Only retarded yurifag tripfags of the highest order (the kind that make Madoka thread unusable wastelands) will pretend what she did was in character and built up from the story, especially considering the story for Rebellion was changed at the last second so Shinbo could milk the series some more.
>>141889484
This is why she's my meguca waifu. She gets a free pass because she's not human, like I said.
>>141889485
This is bait. Please don't respond.
>>141889485
She killed the one she loved, so it's only natural she went a bit craycray.
>>141889561
Remember, if you're one of the Madoka thread regulars who namefags, ERPs and talks about doujin like they fucking matter, your opinion is worthless and you should kill yourself.
>>141889624
>a bit
She torched everything and became lesbian lucifer.
>>141889679
>Lesbian Lucifer
This is now the only way anyone is ever allowed to refer to her again.
>>141889679
>became lesbian lucifer.
I see no issue here.
>>141889485
>defy her friends wishes
Not only has Madoka made multiple wishes as dumb as rescuing a cat she clearly doesn't want to be a concept. You could at least try to make it seem like you paid attention.
>>141889727
Alliteration aside, I still prefer the way "Homucifer" rolls off the tongue.
>>141889727
Hold on now, you chucklefucks have had no less than 10,000 threads since Rebellion hit theaters and none of you thought to use that name before now?
>>141889679
But you are a regular. You're just a tripfag who doesn't use a trip.
>>141889757
>>141889768
It's bait anon.
>>141889768
When Kyoko and Sayaka were fighting I'm convinced Madoka was about to wish to become a magical girl. That would have easily topped the list of bad wishes as far as the main cast goes.
>>141889768
You sound like that idiot who made stitches of surface level dialog and pretended you had insight into the the series' characters.
Madoka didn't WANT to become a concept, but she recognized that she had to because her desire to protect others' was greater than her desire to protect herself. Homura blatantly ignored that. Go ahead and feel free to post something that actually proves otherwise. No, Homura saying she wants to save Madoka really bad, or Madoka saying she misses her family does not contradict what I've said.
>>141889793
Haven't touched a Madoka thread in about half a year.
>>141889827
You idiots rival Evafags for stupidity.
I missed when HomuHater at least made some funny script changes. This isn't even funny.
>>141889911
Houmra didn't ignore shit she found an alternate solution retard. From the looks of it did a better job than Madoka as well.
>>141889911
>Urobuchi: But I had a hard time deciding on the ending. Ending the story with Homura and Madoka being reunited wasn't really the best outcome. After all, the instant Homura encounters her, she'll be guided by the Law of Cycles, and disappear. Would that make her happy? It was also the director, Mr. Shinbo's opinion that the outcome of the TV series, "a human becoming a god" might be too heavy a fate for a girl in middle school to bear. Since that was the case, I decided to try to come up with a way to create a story in which Madoka could escape that outcome.
>But I'd already ended this story once, so it was hard to figure out how to expand it. That was when Mr. Shinbo suggested, "How about a story with Homura confronting Madoka as an enemy?" I thought, if that's at all permissible, then I'd suddenly have all these options open to me, and that's how the current plot developed.
>>141889991
>Fuck it, rip everything down, lie to my friends and hope there are no long term consequences!
>"""solution"""
>>141890024
Shinbo didn't like how the story ended, Urobutcher had to write an ending for a story he already finished, and the Shinbo gave him the horrible idea for what we got. Sounds about right.
And some fucking idiots have the gall to say what happened was the natural progression of the series and was built up the entire time.
>>141877266
Fucking nothing, she did nothing wrong. Going through what she did, you'd probably feel perfectly justified in your actions, she did what she came to believe was necessary, there was no mal-intent on her part, i really believe it.
so whos stronger homura or madoka
>>141888164
You say as if it is a demerit.
>>141890109
>intent is all that matters
Come on now.
>>141889757
>>141889803
>CRAZY PSYCHO LESBIAN
>DEVIL HOMU, DEVIL HOMU
this always makes me laugh
always wondered if it is the freakazoid song
>>141883892
>>141883892
While we've never seen Homura act malicious and smarmy, it's not really out of character if it's a logical conclusion for her.
Think about it this way: you're Homura Akemi. You have no family, no friends, you've been out of school for who knows how long and you basically suck at life. And this weakness makes you easy prey for a witch, but you are saved by the nicest girl humanly possible, oh and she's a super-hero to boot! You tag along and become friends with her, but you always just feel like extra luggage. And eventually that catches up to her, and your saintly best friend sacrifices her life to save your worthless one.
But you have a second chance! Kyubey gives you the option to become a super-hero as well, plus a wish that will let you save Madoka! Sure you could just wish her back to life, but that's not good enough for you! You want to be more than useless baggage this time, so you wish yourself to be strong enough to save her and undo the time spent with her so that you can get things right.
Unfortunately, wishes aren't perfect, and you are pretty weak by conventional magical girl standards. But you pull yourself up by your bootstraps and teach yourself how to make bombs, and procure and operate firearms. It wasn't easy, but you'll do whatever it takes to save Madoka. And then Walpurgisnacht happens and this time not only have you failed to save Madoka, but she's become a witch, a fate worse than death. What a complete fuckup you are.
Part 1/4
>>141890302
I think it is supposed to be, but the rhythm is lost in translation.
>>141883892
>>141890348
So you go back in time to warn everyone. But this time, Sayaka FUCKING Miki contracts, and not only does she fucking complain about you using your smart, efficient weaponry (you know, the only thing that you worked so hard for that makes up for your weak magical girl powers) because she wants to fucking fight witches with her fucking sword like a fucking LARPer, but she also goes out of her fucking way to discredit you when you warn them about the truth of witches (and likely has the support of Mami, since she trusts Kyubey like a friend). Oh, and she's also such a fucking liability that she witches out first. This of course, makes Mami lose all semblance of rationality and she murders Kyoko on the spot, and would have murdered you too if Madoka hadn't been forced to put her down. Once again, you've made everything worse while Madoka has saved you. This is the complete opposite of what you wanted. Fuck Mami, and FUCK Sayaka.
So you keep going back, and things keep getting screwed up, and eventually you just outright give up on saving anyone but Madoka (FUCK Sayaka), becoming a hardened badass in the process. And we finally come to the final timeline the main show takes place in. Like always, Mami attacks you even when you try to fucking help her, Sayaka is still fucking up like the complete fuckup she is, Kyoko is OK but always gets drawn into Sayaka's fuckups, and oh look, all this time traveling you've been doing has guaranteed that not only will Kyubey never pass up the opportunity to contract Madoka, but she'll also destroy the world when she does. What a complete fuckup you are.
So Madoka makes her universe-defining wish (which YOU enabled her to make), and suddenly she's been completely erased from the world, the old monsters are gone but now there are new ones so Madoka's wish hasn't even fucking done anything, and even Kyubey can't tell if you're not just a crazy hobo. What a complete fuckup you are.
Part 2/4
>>141890112
Depends? Is it before or after god mode?
>>141883892
>>141890348
But wait, now you're all working together! Isn't this great!? Singing cake songs, fighting weak-ass nightmares, this is the life. Waitaminute, shit isn't right – yup, this is my fuckup once again thanks to telling Kyubey about the existence of Madoka. Oh and Madoka? Yea, maybe you convinced yourself that replacing witches with wraiths was worth giving up one's entire existence for, but who are you fucking kidding? She's never going to see her family, have fun in high school, go to college, grow up, get married, become a mother and make her dreams come true. She's going to be stuck being the pink-haired grim reaper forever. FOR. EVER. And thanks to your fuckup, she's also going to become Kyubey's bitch. FOR. EVER.
Oh, and the topping on this shit cake? Sayaka FUCKING Miki is here to apparently help save you, but dangles the answers you need to figure out what's going on just out of your reach because... well, no good reason really. Oh, and she also scares the shit out of you by showing herself as the monster you've spent most of your life fighting. Why does she do this? Just because. Oh, and she's not even really here to save you either, she's just here because she wants to hang out with her gal pal Kyoko, which is clearly more important than preventing you from turning into an extra-dimensional monstrosity. You know what? FUCK Sayaka.
Part 3/4
>>141890406
both in god and demon mode
>>141883892
>>141890348
“But, wait a minute!” you tell yourself. “If Madoka can come back and see her family and even live a normal life thanks to a witch's barrier, then umm, why would I not want to become a witch again?” Sure, you've told yourself that what Madoka would've wanted would be for you to fight the wraiths of the world and that to indulge in an escapist barrier would be turning one's back on her wish. But you know what? You've been lying to yourself – you'd totally become a monster if it meant Madoka could come back. Sure, the transformation is emotionally painful but at this point you've already done it once and your pain is more like a badge of pride really. And you're so tired of losing Every. Goddamn. Time. So you prevent Madoka from purifying your soul gem, the universe freaks out, some crazy shit happens and you don't become exactly a witch but whatever, CloseEnough.jpg. And hey! Everyone gets a pretty decent outcome out of it. Mami gets a little sister, Sayaka is alive and Kyoko gets her friend back. Are you going to be their friend? Not a chance, buddy, you've seen way too much idiocy from them over the years.
And oh, who's that coming down the road? Yep, its fucking Sayaka. Let me guess, the first thing she's going to do is complain about this all and– yup there she goes. Oh, what's that? I don't have the “right” to do this? Fuck off Sayaka, I don't care if I do or do not have the “right” to make things not suck. And if that makes me evil? Then give me a black dress, skeleton wings, and sign me the fuck up. Oh and I'll totally hatch an evil doomsday plot to blow up the ocean or whatever, riiiight after all the wraiths are gone. You know, the enemy of magical girls where more and more keep popping up no matter how many times you kill them? Now take your morality and go try not to kill yourself over not getting a twelve year old's dick this time.
The whole anime a part of me wanted the incubators to win because their goal was much higher than anything the main characters could understand the logic of
>>141890426
If you're counting those I'd probably say Madoka because Homura stole some of her power to get to that point. I could be wrong but I think most of the power is still with Madoka.
>>141890458
>MFW someone sums up everything
>>141890464
>trying to stop entropy
>not retarded
>>141890357
It's the Devil Man Tv show opening theme.
>>141890585
Yeah that's what I've always thought. Besides they were as a whole progressing human society with wishes.
>>141890458
And the funny thing is, you neglected to mention the fact that for all the trouble she causes her, Homura still feels a degree of empathy towards Sayaka.
>>141890585
They said they found a way, which I thought was believable after seeing the stuff they pulled
>>141890458
>You know, the enemy of magical girls where more and more keep popping up no matter how many times you kill them?
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who realized her statement about the wraiths was Homura's way of saying "when pigs fly".
>>141890618
That was merely just an side effect they clearly don't give a shit about it at all since they are fine with the Witch version of Madoka destroying the earth.
>>141890652
There is no proof it was every doing anything.
>>141890690
Why else would they do the whole magical girl thing. The whole god level Madoka is a symbol of their ability and their logic is points to there higher level goals.
The society part was just an addition
>>141890388
>Sieg ueber die Gesetz des Torus
>nazi salute
>>141890688
>"Do you plan to destroy this world?"
>"Maybe I will, after all the wraiths are defeated."
I can't believe people seriously interpret this exchange as Homura saying "yes I will, muahahah!"
>>141890740
The burden of proof is on them and they have been shown to omit truths when it's convenient for them. Not to mention when speaking about the heat death of the universe it's so many billions of years in the future it's suspicious beings of such intelligence would not consider they have plenty of time to come up with an alternative other than relying on prepubescent girls.
>>141890426
Mami would still find a way to beat both of them though.
>>141890847
Have you seen this fan base anon?
>>141877266
Nothing at all she normalfagged the entire universe.
>>141890859
They explained the reliance on lolis. They do omit truths but you can find it follows a certain pattern and they do explain honestly at some times. They are trying to stop entropy literally nobody thinks that wasn't their plan.
Maybe the live for trillions of years and the Death of the universe is actually really close for them
>>141890953
Maybe they should fuck off and just die with the universe.
Tfw Incubaters are actually Angels who serve a Magical girl whos power lv makes Madoka look weak in comparison and Wraiths are demons who serve the final boss of the series and all the girls need to attain a god form to help the Incubators and Magical God girl to defeat the last antagonist who is actually just misunderstood and just needs a hug and Homura has to change the past once again to protect th future.
Dance. Dance.
>>141891292
Forgot remix
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UEl5GTEhVw4
>>141877266
>>141892114
Homura plays for keeps.
>>141884608
I'd love for ACK to be the one to try, because then I'd have a lovely opportunity to get his head acquainted with the pavement.
>>141887486
See, that's what makes PMMM such a great series. It takes the idealized concept of the magical girl, then shows what probably would actually happen if you took a random sampling of teenage girls and infused them with magical powers. Most of them barely last a week before going terminally insane. It's a real example of deconstruction.
>>141892584
It's funny that Kyoko openly admits she don't care about human lives and let's witches kill people but attack Sayaka and Homura for their sins on a consistent basis. It just shows how bright she is able to shine.
>>141892681
>How bright she's able to shine
Is it that, or how much hypocrisy she's capable of?
>>141893045
You're right but being a Kyoko fan all I see is the good side. It's just funny how I'm usually trying to defend Homura is all I'm saying.
>>141893086
Kyoko is the girl that's come closest to being actually evil, but in her heart, she's a very caring sort.
>>141893251
She just knows how to have fun. Until I see any of the other girls on a dance dance machine while simultaneously eating pocky I think it's pretty clear who best girl is.
>>141893086
You can be a fan of a character while still being critical of her actions. In fact, I'd say that makes it more genuine, because then you want her to grow as a person, as if she were a real person.
>>141893393
I guess that's just my flaw. I'm Kyoko forever.
>>141893393
Who is your favorite character by the way? I don't think I've ever asked.
>>141893490
I think I have a slight lean towards Sayaka. She has a pure heart, and I'm also a fellow musicfag.
>>141893590
Well you can't say Sayaka doesn't get enough threads. I think it would be between her and Homura. I don't really like Sayaka but I guess you have your reasons.
>>141893322
Sayaka would be that type. Which is clearly why Kyoko picked her.
