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>>141588841
おそっ
「最悪な少女」とは西洋ではアニメとか漫画のシリーズの一番嫌な女の子であるのを定義するために。
例えばラブライブのマキさん。
Formally proposing to rename DJT to
>Daisuki Japanese Thread
>>141618131
It's Dasoku Japanese Thread or nothing
finally it's thread starter epic meme posting time, the favorite moments of my life
What is he looking at?
Why does he want to touch it?
Friendly Reminder
How to tell if something is a shitpost:
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romaji
>>141618174
Please post this at the start of every thread from now on
Just wanted to thank the anon that suggested Aozora Bunko some threads ago. Thanks man, this is exactly what I was looking for.
4chan, accept my post reeeee
>>141618282
Idk if this post is really that necessary now, most of the shitposting seems to have stopped
木材を触る
So was that already the end of the i + 1 story or do we get another part
Don't just leave me hanging anon
>>141618282
A good way to challenge yourself is going after VNs that still haven't or have never been translated
>>141618449
The guy might return at any time. You can't expect someone who got banned for ban evasion to respect his ban.
I like this threadso far
>>141618519
if you want more find the original video, shouldn't be hard
>>141618566
nice meme game
>>141618434
am I doing this right
what's a decent amount of new cards to introduce daily if I want to finish core 10k within my lifetime?who am I fucking kidding I can't learn Japanese I wonder why I haven't killed myself yet
>>141619177
1 per day is enough to finish it within your lifetime
>>141619318
comedy
gold
So I finished both yotsubato decks months ago, about 1400 cards
but I still get 20 to 50 reviews per day even though I'm usually 90%+ correct
am I doing something wrong?
>>141619163
Where do you begin your trip?
>>141619177
Depends entirely on you, just experiment
>>141619163
I didn't understand the original image and this doesn't help
>>141619318
I've been doing 20 per day for like 2-3 months and I'm sitting at 560. I already want to rip my hair's out. It will take me about 5 years to get through 10000 cards and I know for a fucking I still won't be able to read jack shit even after I finish it.
>>141619465
Pick up some manga series
After you're done with the first 2 volumes you'll know 80% of the vocab for all future volumes
Works for LNs as well, point is that you should focus on a single author and a single series to learn that vocab-bubble
>>141618197
Black hole reminds him of his wife'sheart
>>141617900
this is the only thread i care about.
>>141619401
bottom right
going up the chute of failure is forbidden by natural law
>>141619539
I tried reading yotsuba& and the fact that after almost two years I can't even read kiddie stuff literally aimed at elementary school children just made me want to stop altogether.
I guess it's time to waste more time at a language academy because I clearly can't do this own my own.
>>141619163
Where does WankiKani fall on this diagram?
>>141619465
>do core up to 2k
>start a mining deck
its so simple
>>141619639
Straight line pointing down
>>141619639
slightly faster alternative to "RTK (done wrong)"
>>141619465
>20 per day
>2-3 months
>560
I don't understand
>>141619636
Stop being retarded and get the yotsubato anki deck
>>141619696
4 days a week, anon. You don't seriously study on Friday nights or weekends, right?
>>141619177
10 new cards a day -> finish in 2.7 years
20 new cards a day -> finish in 1.4 years
30 new cards a day -> finish 0.9 years
But, any amount over your personal limit -> you'll burn out and never finish
>>141619736
You have to do it everyday, anon
>懐 and 懐かしい uses the same kanji
only took me 9 years of studying to notice this.
>>141619841
What kind of kissless virgin nerd studies on weekends or Friday nights instead of partying or going out with girlfriend?
>>141619636
Don't allow yourself to become demoralised friend
Here's a tip that will perhaps help you
Based on my experiences at least, and I've been doing this for probably 4 years now, every time you start anything new it it always feels like it's way too hard
Everything I've ever picked up and tried to read, I always think "why is this so fucking hard", no matter how easy it may be
The trick is you just have to stick to it, even if it feels like it's way above your level, you stick to it, and then you stick to it some more, and before you realise it you're looking back and laughing at how hard your past self found it
So maybe just try and stick to yotsuba instead of just assuming it's too hard and giving up, and you may see that you're not as bad as you thought
>>141619750
I've been running a kanjidamage kanji deck because I find it a little easier to learn through similar radicals even if the shit they teach you at first is mostly useless garbage, but I've been noticing that even after so long I haven't even made it past half of their "1700" kanji.
I have my new cards at 20 from the default 10, but I noticed these include both read and write cards so technically I'm only doing 10 new kanji per day.
Should I increase my new cards to 30-40? My usual anki session has me review a measly 100 cards per day (read+write so its actually just 50 kanji) and so far I feel comfortable with it
However I've also noticed that learning the kanji Aline isn't being very helpful at actually reading stuff since I don't know any jukugo.
![[Leopard-Raws] Kumamiko - Girl Meets Bear - 07 RAW (SUN 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_00.26_[2016.05.16_16.13.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ML2Lx6r.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Kumamiko - Girl Meets Bear - 07 RAW (SUN 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_00.26_[2016.05.16_16.13.54].jpg")
>>141609661
>raw rice is called kome 米, while cooked rice is gohan ご飯
>今日も美味しいお米が炊けたわ
>>141620241
But when does 米 turn into ご飯? Is it possible to define a point in time during cooking when this transformation occurs? Is this even well defined?
If you put the lid on the pot so you can't see what's inside, can we say that the material exists in both the states of 米 and ご飯 until you take off the lid and look inside, kind of like Schrödinger's Cat in quantum mechanics?
>>141620414
When you serve it.
>>141620087
I tend to think learning to produce when you're a beginner is not an especially efficient use of your time and usually just make it harder on you. My advice would be to delete the production card type and only do the recognition cards.
You can increase the amount to any number you're comfortable with really, the main question would be whether you're comfortable with the amount of reviews it'll equate to and whether you can keep up an acceptable retention rate. In any case you can always change the number of cards you're doing if it doesn't feel right.
So if you turn off production cards and do 20-30 new kanji a day or something you'd be able to finish up the 1700 kanji in about 2-3 months.
>However I've also noticed that learning the kanji Aline isn't being very helpful at actually reading stuff since I don't know any jukugo.
Yeah so I think most (?) people here agree that learning kanji by themselves isn't necessarily the best way to go about it unless you have trouble remembering or differentiating the kanji. Learning words straight up will bootstrap you into reading much faster, since knowing the kanji by itself doesn't necessarily allow you to read any word containing it. So if you weren't feeling the kanji deck you could just drop it altogether and do 20-30 vocabulary words a day (using recognition cards). Then you could hit ~2k words in 2-3 months, and be in a good position to consume native material earlier.
>>141620087
>>141620528
Oh, and when it comes to getting yourself burned out, the important thing is just to be aware of whether it's feeling like too much and whether you're starting to skip days. You can do any amount of cards a day you want but it just needs to be an amount that you can do every day without fail.
There just tend to be a lot of people who dive in and commit to a very large number of new cards, and then talk themselves out of doing fewer cards even though they're starting to skip days and their reviews are getting out of hand.
Why is Hanahira so great? Is there a better way to learn Japanese than through cute little girls?
>>141617900
あおばちゃんが大好き!
>>141620660
It isn't cute at all though
>>141620660
いｔｓ あ ジョーク
>>141620604
I haven't deleted the production cards because I've somehow convinced myself that manually writing down the kanji will help me identify it easier later on.
I tried doing some vocab but found it super hard and frustrating trying to learn words without knowing the kanji in it, like xxx歳 without knowing that's the kanji for age / years old or 貯金 without knowing that's save up + money = savings. I decided doing kanji first and vocab after I finish but I'm getting very discouraged at how long this is taking while not really seeing any results.
>>141619465
20 a day gets you more than that in a month
>>141617900
Q: What kind of sandwich would a sukeban eat?
A: A sukebanh mi!
>>141621443
Not in read/write decks where doing 20 cards per day actually amounts to learning 10 new kanji per day.
>>141620414
While cooking it is both 米 and ご飯 and neither 米 nor ご飯.
これは"たとえば"の話だけど。
ある日、翼あるひとびとがグレタガルﾄﾞの白い空を埋めつくしたんだ。
天地の半ばに羽根の舞う 雪花のごとく繽紛と
慈悲なき鏃の降りそそぐ 羽根のまにまに繽紛と
燃える礫の降りそそぐ 羽根のまにまに繽紛と
草葺き屋根の里が焼け ポプラ木立の邑が焼け
世界の底を逃げまどう 無辜なる民の靴の音
石の街路を駆けぬけて 荒れた畷を駆けぬけて
世界の底を逃げまどう 馬のひづめの轟きよ
エルフの森の王国も ﾄﾞワーフ造りの山の砦も 機械仕掛けのノームの城も
猖獗極まる侵寇の 波涛の呑まれて隊伍散る
戦火の汀に立たされた 人の子たちの負け戦
翼の泊まる空の下 堅牢堅固も過去の栄誉か 終焉迫る城塞都市
聖なる騎士さえ堂に入り 円蓋の下 神よと祈った
宮廷道化は楼閣のぼり 蝋の翼で飛ばんと嘯く
陰に潜んだスラムの王は 武器を鎧って空を睨んだ
暗き洞棲む妖術使いは 闇を纏って機を待った……
ほら、空ってどこにでも繋がってるよね
どこへ逃げたって、敵はその白い翼でどこまでも追っかけてくるんだ。
だから翼のない彼らは、どこにも繋がってない空を求めていた。
そんな願いが通じて、いま彼らはとてものどかな国でジングルベルを聴いていた―
これは"たとえば"の話だけど。
僕らが君に語るのは、たとえばそんなメルヘン。
Why do so many female vocaloids and utaites use "Boku"? Are there women out there who use it or "Ore"?
Konn nichi wa /djt/
Ore wa yon nen kara nihongo wo benkyo shi teiru. Demo dokusho dake shite, nazenara hanashi aite ga nakatta. Dare ka ga ore ni penpal no aite wo shite kure masen ka. Dekiru dake kawaikute wakai onna no ko ni shite hoshii wwwww. Romanji no koto goumen nasai, demo ore ga kanji wa deki masen.
>>141621851
because its gendy neutral so boys and girls can sing along
>>141621851
It's one syllable less than watashi, probably.
>>141621851
僕 sounds better than 私 when sung in those programs.
>>141621851
It's more gender neutral and casual.
>>141620813
I recognize that butt.
I went to the doctor today, turns out I gained 35 pounds in the last year. Looks like I'm well on my way to becoming a fat neckbearded weaboo.
>>141623367
learn thermodynamics
Does anyone remember the name of the crazy theory along the lines of "Japanese invented their own writing system before Chinese!"?
>>141623367
im also just fat as fuck lol
>>141623367
>>141623518
Now you both need to do real reps
>>141623508
https://youtu.be/TLc30VSPdgY?t=609
It actually comes from Hebrew.
>>141623508
Are you talking about 神代文字?
>>141623367
Ken-sama?
>>141623586
COMPLETELY pointless, everyone knows NEETSs commit suicide by age 30. I don't want to waste precious time at the gym instead of reading VNs.
>>141624105
>>141624105
looks like i dont have long before i off myself then
>>141623586
today was actually leg day thats why i havent been posting much
>>141624394
>exercise for weight loss meme
>>141624479
>_____ meme meme
>>141624105
>tfw 2 years left until suicide
Can I commit sudoku instead?
>tfw finished 帝国の王女
It had much less technobabble and archaic politeness than I expected so the ride was relatively smooth. Time for ささやかな戦い.
>>141624105
That's only true if you let your semen get corrupted. Otherwise you become a wizard.
そしたら副作用なのか突然、頭がぐるぐる回りだしまっすぐ運転できないほどに。
まずい！すぐに高速道路を降りてガソリンスタンドで休憩してを何回か繰り返し
薬の効き目がなくなるまで約3時間くらいこのような状態でした。
What is he doing 繰り返し? Getting off the highway and resting?
自家発電
Now I'm curious about the second meaning.
>>141625195
>Getting off the highway and resting?
Yeah
Here's an important tip for studying Japanese. Get eight hours or more of sleep every night or else you won't be able to study very well. I only got one hour of sleep and I'm paying the price.
Well boys, I'm finally going to be living the dream. 3 week vacation to glorious Nippon in a month and a half. I've been camming like no tomorrow so I can actually say something in Japanese. This is the most motivation I've had in years.
Turns out months of anki decks does not help so much with actually trying to have a conversation.
Daily reminder that every post you read on /a/ is a sentence you could've read in japanese and learned something.
Just stopping by for my once a month hour on 4chan before going back to futaba and 2channel, why aren’t you shitposting in japanese yet /a/?
>>141626063
I'm ESL, so shitposting here is technically language study for me.
>>141626063
This thread is pretty much just a refuge for beginners who all come and go.
is there any reason to stick to limits like 25 or 30 new words per day in anki? Will it hurt me to do an additional 15 or 20 on top of that every once in a while?
>>141626338
Do as many as you want without getting sick of it and burning yourself out.
But take at least a 5 minute break every 30 minutes or it will start wearing out your concentration.
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
>>141626338
Did you increase your daily rep limit to 9999?
>>141626528
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！（ただしイケメンに限る）
>>141626439
>>141626583
Yes. Are there any other settings I should play around with like graduating intervals or anything like that?
I hear people say I should be going for something like 3 parts reading to 1 part reps but I don't see how I could do that. I'm currently spending most of my time on reps and importing everything I read with rikaisama. I assume it turns out that way after I've started exhausting basic vocabulary? Or was it a mistake to start mining and reading right off the bat instead of doing 2k or something?
>>141626528
i already have learned Japanese. I'm just here so that no one else can.
Does anyone know of any other web novels like Re:Zero?
>>141627006
logh is also a web novel
homesteading the noosphere etc
>>141626063
im just a pro lurker under my stairs
>>141626338
An extra 15 cards on one day is meaningless in the long run, I would just keep it consistent so you have a stable number of reviews each day and spend any extra time reading.
>>141626439
i suggest timeboxing, 2 min intervals or something, it works wonders for concentration.
How do I get better at reading names in kanji?
Friendly reminder to all neets
If you don't work then you are broken. If you have time to be learning Japanese then you have time to work towards your future career. Stop being a nuisance to your parents.
>inb4 i want to be a translator
>>141626725
Most people don't do all the cards they mine on the same day.
>>141627367
Read more
>>141627586
But I dont know how to pronounce them
>>141627367
I don't even bother with that anymore, there's too many of them. Not worth the effort. The story that you're reading will introduce them anyway.
>>141627519
I have over 5000 unseen cards in my mining deck at this point. That's like 2.5 novels' worth. I just keep falling farther and farther behind.
>>141627956
that's what I'm afraid of
I don't want that to happen but I also want to actually read instead of just doing reps. What am I supposed to do?
>>141623941
Yes.
How do i solve this style anon
>>141627956
>>141628079
Just stop mining once you hit your quota for the day.
>>141617900
Is there a section in the Google doc with a list of recommended Anki decks?
I found Core2k from the Anki setup pastebin but was wondering if there were others, especially interested in the yotsubato decks mentioned >>141619383 here
>>141628079
just remember the words normally instead of doing them in anki
>>141625627
>>Turns out months of anki decks does not help so much with actually trying to have a conversation.
months of grinding vocab doesnt do much of anything but let you recall the vocab in the setting you grinded in
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2005/11/05/learning-vocab-tips/
he puts it a but more succulently than I could
>>141628357
The CoR has the most commonly used ones. Click on the 教本 tab.
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fEplq1S5f9wyVPzgzJw3v2l54w1KuvDf9yvNPU3AbG4/pubhtml?widget=true&headers=false&chrome=false#gid=133100607
The yotsubato deck is from the learning pack here:
>http://livingjapanese.com/pages/yotsubato_reading_pack1.html
what is going on here
>>141628789
Sometimes there are variant kanji, the word can be written either way.
Life caught up with me and most of the kanji I knew drained out of my head in the span of 2-3 months. Now I'm stuck in the middle of an Anki deck that I can't understand. What do?
>>141628944
You can't forget the language in 2-3 months. Keep at it, you should be back at where you was in a few days.
>>141628944
Stop using methods like rote memorization and start reading, stop trying to learn the kanji on their own and start reading.
>>141628985
Is Yotsuba a good place to start? I heard someone from here talking about how he knew the kanji used in the manga, but still didn't know how to connect them to make sense.
>>141628079
>>141627956
write a short script to invert the mined deck such that the most recent is on the top
go easy on mining -- consider how frequently this will be used first, and frequently add new cards (twice weekly) to keep the relevance of the cards high (you just saw it a few days ago!)
>>141629048
that's because he didn't learn japanese, he learned kanji
see >>141619163
>>141629048
Yotsuba& and similar manga are the best place to start. There is a word list for the first volume which will (hopefully) help you when you inevitably get confused by a colloquialism or unknown grammar construct. Make sure you've read or at least skimmed an entire grammar guide/book, reference it frequently. Don't make the mistake of getting caught in the timewasting trap of grinding contextless vocabulary, and don't get caught in the meme of learning kanji on their own, because that's almost completely useless information to have hence that person's experience with Yotsubato you talk about. Tae Kim discusses this on his blog in more depth.
www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/
http://livingjapanese.com/pages/yotsubato_reading_pack1.html
>>141628978
Neah I was near native but then I stopped watching anime for a month and forgot everything
i was born japanese but after one too many big macs ive fully become a fat sweaty hakujim in body and mind
>>141629215
your image will never become a meme
>>141629496
it would be an amusing image if i understood how to read it
>>141629496
>>141629496
I'm not memeing though, I'm being serious
>>141629048
You'll need to look up some of the words but yeah, Yotsuba should be fine.
Though interestingly enough I studied kanji for a while and it actually did help me a good amount reading the manga. There's a lot more stuff you can guess from context if you know what the symbols mean. Didn't even have to look up 洗濯機 or 地球温暖化 for example, despite basically never hearing the terms before.
>>141629719
that image doesn't even make any sense, where are you supposed to start
why are there two paths to the 日本語名手 temple when you would be be doing things that are on either path normally?
>New cards due today: 117
Let's do this shit.
>>141630182
The only things arguably worthwhile on the left side are the grammar decks (and only the DOJG one) and manga
>>141629577
I'm at 1.5, reading Hoshizora no Memoria. Feels okay.
>>141628789
i read the first as crowded and the second as loading my gun from 込める
>tfw just started 3 weeks ago
>i setup anki and have a good plan
>i learned 3000 vocab today
why everyone say this so hard?
at this rate i will be fluent in 2 more days.
>forget name of manga i didn't finish reading (and i reformatted my pc)
>ask akinator
>he remembered
lol
Just started learning 2 days ago, currently on the 4th column of Hiragana with about 80% confidence on the 39 words I've learnt so far from
here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zfBMDNkJuI
I plan on learning a new column every day adding the hiragana and words to my anki deck and sticking with it until about 95% confidence with words written in hiragana then moving on to katakana and repeat then kanji using the deck from the guide.
Is this going to fast or slow? and would it be more efficent to learn kanji while I'm learning hiragana/katakana or would it get confusing?
>>141631650
Go at your own pace. What works for you, works for you. However, I think you can crank out kana in two days. Just flash card that shit for a few hours until those symbols are comitted to muscle memory.
But again, what works for you works for you.
>>141628604
Yeah, you're definitely not wrong. I think grinding anki is a good way to build a base of vocab, but it definitely won't teach me how to actually use the language.
I've been using pimsleur and it's actually been really useful to get me running on how to comprehend and speak Japanese. I'm kind of surprised I've never heard it mentioned around here before.
Let's solve this mystery once and for all.
Do you think you could learn Japanese from watching anime?I think I can actually do it.
>>141631712
I forgot to say I was planning to start reading Yotsuba when I was finished with the kana would it be beneficial to start now or would it just give me a headache?
>>141631750
Yeah I could probably grind out the kana really fast but what about words or do they come with learning kanji?
![[Coalgirls]_Cardcaptor_Sakura_34_(960x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[58FD463E].mkv_snapshot_08.58_[2016.05.17_17.16.14].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0re4AOA.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Cardcaptor_Sakura_34_(960x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[58FD463E].mkv_snapshot_08.58_[2016.05.17_17.16.14].jpg")
>>141631937
最初の問題です。
十分のマッチ棒を使って、ほしが作ってあります。
この十本をそのまま使って、べつのほしを作ってください。
>>141632460
its not a mystery you can learn what the anime says and talk like the anime but you cant learn what things other than non anime say and thus cant talk like non anime
Remember guys:
Do it for the Fu's!
>>141632501
マッチ棒を動かせないのなら
紙を逆さまにしてみたいなくだらん回答だろうな
Firefox doesn't want to cooperate with these characters. How can I fix this?
It's not a font problem or anything. It has to do with the file itself.
If I could get this working it would make importing characters into my mining deck a breeze.
>>141632544
This is disgusting, but it has given me an idea.
Why doesn't DJT create an alternative set of glorious 2D images to go with core?
>>141632645
View > Character Encoding > Auto-Detect > Japanese
>>141632671
I wouldn't be against that.
The only 2D image I can think of that core has right now is ほしい. But that's just off the top of my head.
>>141632702
wow, thanks
that was way easier than I thought it would be
that saves me a lot of trouble
>>141632639
マッチ棒を動いてもいいよ
>>141632671
Someone tried doing this already and no-one participated. I think only a few hundred images were ever contributed,
>>141632671
why use images at all?
they're not even helpful
you don't need them
>>141632958
>you don't need them
Objectively true.
>they're not even helpful
Up for dispute.
I find them extremely helpful.
>>141633224
>I find them extremely helpful
in what way?
>>141632506
Hey friend, you might want to delete this post before the "anime japanese is real japanese!" memesters come out to decry it as ignorance.
>>141631937
I finished pimsleur forever ago - it's decent if you have the free time, but you'll get angry once you realize how little you know.
DJT has nothing to recommend except listening to seiyuu radio shows for listening practice once you finish it though, since most people don't care about speaking. It's frustrating how few oral communication practice resources there are for the language past the basics.
>>141633382
i press the post button in full confidence and awareness always
>>141633382
>DJT has nothing to recommend except listening to seiyuu radio shows for listening practice once you finish it though, since most people don't care about speaking. It's frustrating how few oral communication practice resources there are for the language past the basics.
You may think that this is a joke but anything that's spoken japanese is basically equally good as long as the rate of speech and grammar level is high enough. Guess what? This includes some anime.
>>141633382
There should be plenty of ways to find a language learning chat partner over the internet, though. And those are the best practice resource, since oral communication more or less requires you to talk to another person. If there's no one on the other side of the conversation then you're just screwing around.
>>141632825
なら６角星とかでいいんじゃない？
>>141633594
anime is like junk food picture your study regimen like a tv dinner
you got some like disgusting meat some corn and potatos or whatever and then you got this little brownie
that lil brownie represents how much anime you should be consuming relative to other things
>>141633665
You're totally right - it's just that going the self-taught route means you miss a lot of the fundamental basics; even if my vocabulary level is high, I rather be a NEET and shadow everyday conversational sentences to build up the confidence first. I don't think it's wrong to point out that those resources are lacking, compared to all the rest for learning Japanese available.
>>141633594
Listening practice is just recognition, it's the active, productive oral communication part I'm talking about.
Besides, while anime might be "compelling content" for some, it's basically a placebo for the timesink involved.
>>141633771
>Listening practice is just recognition, it's the active, productive oral communication part I'm talking about.
you aren't going to get production unless you go and talk to japanese people
nobody can handhold you through that
>Besides, while anime might be "compelling content" for some, it's basically a placebo for the timesink involved.
your posts are a placebo to your ego
>>141633797
>thousands of hours put into making anki decks, self-study guides and various resources for learning the written language
>a handful of youtube videos and pimsleur aimed at N5 level oral practice
You'd be deluded to think there isn't a problem there.
>>141633732
for like 80% of your media consumption it legitimately does not matter what you're consuming as long as it's not literally meant for toddlers
all that's necessary is causing your brain to generate the necessary neural connections for information to be transmitted from japanese material subconsciously instead of by consciously wrangling it
unless you plan on reading classical japanese or legal documents you actually have to try really hard to fuck up and pick material that will not teach you everything you need to know
now there is a 20% of the time when you do have to be legitimately pushing your boundaries but that's time you should either be spending reading japanese-language japanese grammar books or doing flashcards, not consuming medoa
>>141633732
my study regimen is like 6 brownies and an anki-flavored slice of ham
>>141633905
>thousands of hours
kek
more like "redistributing preexisting material"
>a handful of youtube videos and pimsleur aimed at N5 level oral practice
you overestimate the small quantity of conversation-oriented language-oriented speech-oriented material there is
there is basically none
people who are stupid enough to want to learn japanese through speaking it will either to got japan or hire a tutor, there literally just isn't a market for selflearners doing conversation material past tourist-level japanese
>>141633968
you could play loveplus on the nintendo ds thats pretty good speaking practice 爆笑
shoutouts to anyone here who ever held their ds up to their face and said gomen into it
>>141633968
I have friends here in Japan who can speak Japanese well enough to land jobs, yet can't read kana on a menu or at karaoke. I'm the exact opposite, and sound like a drunken autist slurring all my words with my accent while being able to read well enough to do amateur manga translations on the side.
It's enough to make me want to pay for a niconico subscription just to have an audience that I know will cringe anyways, all from the safety of my bedroom.
>>141634085
>I have friends here in Japan who can speak Japanese well enough to land jobs, yet can't read kana on a menu or at karaoke.
that's because they're illiterate, it has nothing to do with not knowing the language
>I'm the exact opposite, and sound like a drunken autist slurring all my words with my accent while being able to read well enough to do amateur manga translations on the side.
oh, you're one of those people who overestimate their language ability
you know how there are ESLs that speak in extremely broken english yet go on to translate things from english into their nature language? that's you, but with japanese
you literally just have not acquired enough of the japanese language to speak it fluently
at best you just need to practice putting the sounds out of your mouth, but this is clearly not the case if you think that practicing talking to yourself will help, and ~science~ has proven that speech training won't do any better for you than reading if you need it
>>141634085
Speaking Japanese well enough to get a job doesn't mean all that much in terms of proficiency, depending on the job. You don't need to be able to read novels to move stuff around a warehouse.
>>141633732
believe it or not, you can live on brownies if you have to
>>141632825
>>141632825
あ
６画星を作るとマッチ棒が４つ残るけど
星という漢字は１０のマッチ棒で書けるんですね
なるほど
>>141634148
>that's because they're illiterate, it has nothing to do with not knowing the language
this is true
I have a japanese american friend who is literally illiterate but can speak japanese fluently because he was raised in a household that spoke both languages but never bothered with literacy because he never needed it
I don't really think that's an uncommon circumstance either.
>>141634148
J->E is a lot easier than E->J. Do you know how many Chinese there are who can pass N2, yet can't speak a word of Japanese? I live in the part of Tokyo that's obnoxiously foreign, it's all too common.
Similarly, it's why Japanese people suck at speaking - lack of actual practice, while only able to understand the written word.
I'm actually jealous of people who are only illiterate, because (I assume) learning the language is so much simpler when you're just having to attach symbols to the language you already know. I would say basic conversational Japanese ranks higher in importance than N2 reading comprehension.
>>141634416
you mean functional japanese trumps reading books wowzers i woulda never have guessed
>>141634416
>J->E is a lot easier than E->J.
false
>Do you know how many Chinese there are who can pass N2, yet can't speak a word of Japanese?
do you know how many english people there are that graduated highschool yet don't know their local laws?
>I live in the part of Tokyo that's obnoxiously foreign, it's all too common.
cool, you live in japan, how about going out and talking to some japanese people? what, do you have social anxiety? hey man, maybe that's the reason you can't speak for shit
>Similarly, it's why Japanese people suck at speaking - lack of actual practice, while only able to understand the written word.
every japanese person who I've seen (note: I didn't say "known personally" there) that was actually bad at speaking has actually not even known english well enough to know that -ing isn't a "present continuous" marker
>I'm actually jealous of people who are only illiterate, because (I assume) learning the language is so much simpler when you're just having to attach symbols to the language you already know.
learning how to read is simpler when you already know the language, wow, you're so profound
it's not like you can read without knowing japanese senpai, you can't enforce false equivalences just because you're dysphoric
>I would say basic conversational Japanese ranks higher in importance than N2 reading comprehension.
basic conversational japanese is a prerequisite to passing the actual N2
>>141634503
>basic conversational japanese is a prerequisite to passing the actual N2
There is no spoken production component of the JLPT.
>>141634416
>I would say basic conversational Japanese ranks higher in importance than N2 reading comprehension.
It just depends what your goals are and where you are?
Yeah obviously if you're in Japan and need Japanese RIGHT NOW then any speaking ability is worth more than any reading ability
But in the long term, especially if you aren't in Japan, having vocab and grammar down is more important since it is the foundation for everything else.
Also, "good enough to do amateur manga translations" means nothing. Anyone with kanjitomo can translate manga. Doing it without mistakes or doing it well is another thing, but just doing it doesn't say much about your level
>>141634535
yeah its pretty foolish isnt it lol
>>141634535
spoken production is not its own skill
>>141634554
my troll alert is going freaking NUTS @ this post
>>141634552
>>141634581
Go to bed, phone.
>>141634581
>It doesn't match my uninformed world view so it must be a troll
nice
>>141632460
I used to be like you until I actually started. Try listening raw every now and again, it will fucking destroy you.
>>141632460
>>141634584
i made both of those posts from my macbook air dude maybe you should just stick to on topic posting
>>141634608
who are you to say whos world view is uninformed eh m80
結局なんでもいいけどボクはそれでも釣りに行く
釣りジャンキーmofacka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4PKCcGyyx0
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>>141634320
正解です
おめでとう～
The moral of the story is learn to write your kanji.
>>141634845
writing kanji is not going to help me holler at べっぴん bitches in the club so いやだ
>>141634727
＞釣り
帰れ、くそ爺
このサイトは少女のサイトだわ
>>141634554
>basic conversational japanese is a prerequisite to passing the actual N2
>spoken production is not its own skill
Non sequitur.
Please try harder.
Trolling is more than a few minor responses.
Thank you.
>>141634923
ボクは３次元girl爆笑
>>141634930
hey man I'm not the one pretending he lives in a reality divorced from people who actually study the human brain
>>141634952
嫌だ
めっちゃキモい
>>141634930
Looks like someone need to relearn basic logic.
>>141634727
Well now that you've made it clear who you are I can say with certainty that I am more informed than you.
>>141634727
>I'm on topic because I'm posting japanese text
nice now how about posting some manga?
>>141632645 here and oh my god this setup is great
Little did I know you could use the --sid param with mpv to run multiple subtitles at the same time. And on top of that I can have a transcript of the raw sub file running in firefox which rikaisama can read and export any vocab I want to anki.
This beats the hell out of using an OCR program.
>>141635051
>>I'm on topic because I'm posting japanese text
このスレのためは「日本語でクソポスト」と言うんです。
>>141634956
i know everything about the human brain i read romeo tanakas 最果てのイマ
>>141635022
then show me something meaningful with your insight veteran djt poster ive been waiting for a while
>>141635051
i dont read 漫画s sorry
just a little anime here and there between visual games
>>141635082
post? as in mailbox? can you just write that in english for the sakes of all parties involved
>>141635082
この板が「アニメとマンガ」で
>>141635127
Okay you post some japanese that isn't ass and I'll post something meaningful
>>141635206
ok hows this このスレのためは「日本語でクソポスト」と言うんです。
我が目的が具体的本当それで読みをしよう
時々を掛けつもりそれならアンタがかび臭い
Anyone have that flowchart image that says, do you want to learn japanese? yes/no, do your reps.
>>141634930
Really though like, if you read enough japanese to pass N1 without knowing chinese beforehand then you can definitely have basic conversations. You might not be speaking fluently but even if you have never spoken to a japanese person in your life you can probably do better than people who have taken a couple years of classes.
>>141635338
I hope you weren't trying to make sense.
How exactly should i be reading the underlined sentence? or at least the 渡す用のショップカード part. does 渡す用 basically mean "business of handing over" or are the two terms separate? the fact that there's nothing between 渡す and 用 and the の is after both words is what's getting me here.
>>141635404
I hope you weren't under the impression that you were fluent.
誰か一緒にスロット打ちに行こうぜ！
>>141635412
oh god that translation
渡すためのショップカード
と同じ意味だと思うよ
みんな何処住んでんの？
>>141635127
>can you just write that in english for the sakes of all parties involved
This thread is for shitposting in Japanese.
>>141635222
俺の日本語は穴じゃないと思うか？ 結婚しよう
>>141635521
>This thread is for shitposting in Japanese.
cool, did you know that's not what you said though?
>>141635538
I assumed so due to the fact that my grammar is trash. What did I actually say, and what should I have said?
誰か友達になってよ
How long does J-Cat test take?
>>141635577
Around nyan hours.
>>141635412
用 is basically a suffix that denotes "for the purpose of"
dictionary examples:
学校用掛け地図 - wall map for use in schools
女性用衣料 - women's apparel
渡す用 - for handing over
>>141635382
>Really though like, if you read enough japanese to pass N1 without knowing chinese beforehand then you can definitely have basic conversations.
No. It's a different ability that needs specific practice in order to improve it.
>but even if you have never spoken to a japanese person in your life you can probably do better than people who have taken a couple years of classes.
Bullshit. Classes usually have a strong focus on speaking and someone speaking for a few years is going to be able to speak better than someone who hasn't spoken at all.
You're fucking delusional, mate.
>>141635624
>No. It's a different ability that needs specific practice in order to improve it.
You're wrong.
It takes practice to get fluent but not to get above the leagues of idiots who speak "conversational" japanese
>>141635624
>No. It's a different ability that needs specific practice in order to improve it.
you got a citation on that? what you're saying basically amounts to the same thing as "you can learn how to drive without knowing how to keep track of moving objects"
sure you might be able to pass a test if you cheat in the right ways but no you haven't actually "learned how to drive"
that's what N2s amount to
>Classes usually have a strong focus on speaking and someone speaking for a few years is going to be able to speak better than someone who hasn't spoken at all.
classes have a strong focus on speaking and it is for this very reason that they fail to spend enough time imparting actual japanese on their students. someone who doesn't know more than half of tae kim of grammar will not be able to hold a conversation until they spend weeks newly learning lots of rules that they never knew before, while someone who can literally already read will need to spend at most a day or two getting to grips with the pace and music of conversation
you're the delusional one who refuses to use their brain
アイコス吸ってる人いる？
>>141635338
わりぃ我さん怒鳴らないで
>>141635521
id do your nihongo hole baby and leave it hanging halfway out of you when im done
>>141635624
dont worry dude hes probably just right i mean if youve done enough flashcards you should have no problems and sound just like this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-HKKXxUMH4
>>141635624
>Classes have a strong focus on speaking
Have you ever taken a language class? Someone who takes private lessons from a tutor for a couple years is going to be great at speaking, sure, but a group class is probably the worst possible setting to put yourself in if you're aiming to learn anything about a language. Even a shut-in who picked up most of his grammar from anime will probably be in a better position than a student whose only experience came primarily from listening to his equally inexperienced peers stumble over textbook sentences.
>>141635734
>高校生でタバコ吸ってたらあかんやろ
どことなくじもんじとうっぽい
>高校生がタバコ吸ってたらあかんやろ
どことなくせっきょうっぽい
妹のパンツが臭いけど、匂いが気持ちいいです
>>141635829
アイコスはタバコというよりただの水蒸気やね
トイレで吸っても警報器反応せんで？
大人になったら普通のタバコにするわおっちゃん
>>141635934
大きくなったらジュポジュポやってみてね
>>141632498
I'd say that you should learn words with kanji. I just don't see a reason to learn the two separately. That way you get the reading and the word itself.
誰かスロット打ち行こうぜ
まんがさがしてみた
「が」じゃなくって「で」だったよ
>>141636361
ちんこ打ちの途中だからごめんね
>>141636368
おっちゃんは餓鬼の頃吸ってなかったん？
>>141636459
そんなに謝罪しなくていいよ
僕が悪い事したみたいに見えるからw
ちんこ打ち君は何処住んでるの？
>>141636661
>w
ohboy
>>141636713
何すかsempai?w
>>141636740
>w
ohboy
>>141636661
ちんこ家に住んでいるけど
アンド・ユー
>>141636758
僕は蹣乕屋に住んでるから近くだね
how am I supposed to read yotsubato when I get the urge to touch myself every time I set my eyes on this decadent 美少女
>>141636818
そんな店聞いたことないなあ
色んな意味で
>>141636991
shoutouts to everyone who remembers the window girl ero clicker game
whatcha all know bout that
>>141636991
pfft asagi best 隣
