So Type-94 has released yet another analyses of the anime. Not surprisingly, he thinks it's a pretty good adaptation:
https://type94.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/schwarzesmarken-08-12/When the fuck are we getting an update from Degica on the whole Steam release situation?
Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg
>>141035929
>above
What they should have actually used.
>below
What they used instead. It also costs much more.
I love Irisdina!
>>141035831
Why is Theo so scared there?
>>141035953
In one of the artbooks the tactics show the use of helicopters
Where are muh Hind's and Hip's Age?
>>141035831
> This is a story that very cleanly splits characters into Good Guys and Bad Guys...
>Beatrix is "kind of a one-note villain in the original novels."
>Now that I’m reevaluating Beatrix as a character, it occurs to me that she and Axemann are set up to represent different types of evil. Beatrix is someone who believes wholeheartedly in what she is doing – it’s just that what she is doing is evil. Axemann, however, has no ideology. He seeks only to gain power for himself. He was part of the Stasi because he held power there. When things went south, he sought an alliance with the revolution, extracting a promise that he would be part of their new government. When it looked like they were going to lose, he threw in with Beatrix and the Moscow faction. And when the people started to rise up against them, he hoped to seek refuge with the CIA. He has no cause – he will serve whoever will keep him in power.
>So there’s something to think about: who is the greater evil? The one who devotes herself mind and soul to evil ? Or the one who serves, but has no loyalty to, an evil cause?
Did this guy really read the LN, because he seems to have a different perspective than a lot of the Chink forums I've visited.
>>141036052
Is there much use for Hip in ML? I imagine more rockets are preferable to more troop carrying capability.
>>141035992
He told them that he fucked his sister
>>141036075
It was the main helli of the NVA
also, pic shows tatctics
>>141036068
We`ve reached the same conclusions on Ax. He`s not evil in the, say, movie logic - he won`t harm you just to harm you, but only if it furthers his goals.
I`ll go on a limb and say he doesn`t derive much pleasure from all those executions and whatever else he does at the job.
Eurofront when?
New TDA when?
Operation Zero When?
Melvina Maniax when?
2nd part of SM when?
Trilogy in Steam when?
It has been ages damn it
>>141036172
Eventually
Am I the only one that cried during Total Eclipse anime ending?
I immediately look at the wiki on what happen next, then went depressed because S2 never.
And also because Schwarzesmarken might mark an end on Muv-Luv anime.
Yuya is a better MC than Theo tbqh
>>141036197
What is there to be sad about? Main characters are all alive, insanely dumb terrorists are all dead, and baters didn`t fuck up Alaska.
>>141035831
Posting best girls.
>>141036068
People want depth to Beatrix because she's a very attractive character with an interesting design, but she really is a flat character doing shit for the evulz. Beatrix's whole character seems to be designed around the contrast of her stunning good looks vs her repulsive inner self. The novel states that she is by far the most attractive woman around, while at the same time not holding any punches when it comes to portraying her evil. Axmann really is out just for himself while Beatrix is innately evil, and can't help but do evil. Axmann isn't as bad when you think about it.
>>141036068
He seems to have Watanabe's interpretation of the story. Seems to me that since Jap doesn't spell everything out, people fill the gaps with their own interpretations. Thus the Yank Beato hate and Chink Beato love.
>>141036139
Didn't he take pleasure in breaking Lise though? It seems to me that his primary goal was always to have power over people. And having the power to make them do whatever he wants must give him some pleasure then. I'll claim that he didn't enjoy the executions by themselves, but the fact that he could make others kill or betray their loved ones and that blind obedience he got from his subordinates due to the nature of the system.
>>141036326
Posting
>>141036326
>>141036342
Didn't Watanabe hold discussions with Hiroki?
>>141036326
>>141036399
PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
>>141036399
Yui is the best
>>141035831
who is this guy? sounds like a retard to me.
>>141035953
>What they should have actually used.
>Hind A
Nigga that is the worst version.
Hind D is the acceptable version.
Will steam sales fund main trilogy anime?
>>141036505
Easier to upgrade existing helicopters than hold off construction for the specific version.
>>141036516
i hope not. i hope we get more VNs.
>>141036392
That's what they say. But then his comments on the story make it hard to believe. If he really did say that Beatrix's primary attribute is loyalty then the interpretation that everything she does is out of evil is incorrect. But that interpretation is quite solid, especially in the anime.
Even if Gretel is considered a secondary she will always be the main heroine of my heart
>>141036505
He is talking of actually using attack helicopters
>>141036342
>people fill the gaps with their own interpretations.
The story has gaps and holes in it because most of the characters don't know what is true and what is false. The holes serve as reflections for Theo, Katia, Beatrix, and the others to bounce themselves off of and show there nature through their interpretation of events. These interpretations may be right, or maybe wrong. Theo, for instances, didn't know that Sylwia and Walter were in a relationship and dismissed all the hints, so when it was revealed that they were sleeping with one another, it came not only as as shock to Theo, but the audience as well.
Something else to note is that Iris was also manipulating Theo. Of course, Theo never really caught on, but certain actions Iris takes were designed to bind him closer to her cause (such as giving him Katia knowing that he'll see her as Lise's replacement). Everyone manipulates everyone, except for poor Theo who sees the world in shades of black and white.
>>141036477
He did a few translations. Took a lot of flak from the ML community for sucking Watanabe's cock on KGNE.
> Just as we see in the anime, in the novel she whispers something to Theodor that we, the audience, don’t get to hear. Theodor reveals to the others that Lise told him where Irisdina was being held. However, Beatrix reveals that she fully expected Lise to betray the Stasi in her last moments, and so had given Lise false intel, with the intent of luring the revolution into an ambush. At the battle’s critical moment, however, Theodor reveals what it is that Lise really told him – that Lise also didn’t trust Beatrix, and had used her own connections to learn Irisdina’s true location. The revolution then planned a decoy operation to lure Beatrix into believing her ambush had worked, while their true force would head for Irisdina.
>There is a great chance that Iris just used Theo as a pawn as advanced by Lise.
Why is Lise such a best imouto?
>>141036172
until they are done with all Schwarzesmarken then probably it would start flowing in the pipeline
>>141036587
I`m not sure who`s jewing who anymore.
>>141036639
SR kuso woud feed her to other girls to lvl them up.
>>141036534
The Hind A is worse then the Hind D and there is no reason to produce Hind A in the year 1983 when you have for years had access to the Hind D.
I dont really understand why the fuck tards behind schwarzesmarken thinks the NVA would operate Hind A when they operated Hind D and most factories were producing Hind D and there is no reason to produce Hind A when the Hind D is out and the factories are retooling for the Hind D in the years the factories were safe (production started in 1973 in real life but it may have started earlier since we see the Hind E in 1973 when it actually got produced in 1976).
And the Hind A we see in the LN is exactly the same as the Hind A in real life.
>>141036587
So mean girls stasi is canon to the LN. That's retarded. This whole cartoonishly evil stasi shit is retarded. Even in RL, the stasi were intensley loyal to one another, binded not only in a common cause or the hatred of everyone around them, but by an exclusive and secretive culture (like a secret lodge). Any cohesive, operational organization, especially one with the reputation the Werewolves obtained, must have some good qualities such as discipline, esprit de corps, and so forth. I don't mind super evil organizations, but the evil has to make sense.
>>141036172
NEVER
>>141036773
>MCLOS to SACLOS and a new gun
Neat, but you could do well against smaller strains with A as well. Don`t they use mostly unguided rockets against baters anyway?
>>141036554
https://twitter.com/uchidahiroki/status/715940630501859329
I'll trust the Japs, Chinks, and author over Type94 any day of the week. This was the guy who was turned into a laughing stock when he said that KGNE was a good adaption.
>>141036580
Well unreliable Narration is what keeps these discussions alive. Without it, we would long ago stopped arguing.
>>141035992
That's lifted from Shomin Sample, so they'll probablyWAN WAN WAN WAN WAN WAN WAN WAN GETS
>>141036979
The part of the LN that is translated which you can download describes Hind A raining down AT-2 missiles on destroyer class, dumb rockets and so on and also later on mopping up BETA after bombers and arty killing most of them after a lazerjagd.
The Hind D would do better mainly because better gun with 1470 rounds, better gunners station meaning he can peform his duty better and SACLOS missiles meaning he have much higher chance of scoring a hit and needs less training to operate the ATGM at long range.
This is also another proof that the people behind schwarzesmarken dont really understand the equipment that they have the NVA use.
>>141037162
>shilka in mint condition for 9.99
>very light wear on the tracks
>was only used to guard something one time
>>141037323
every time
>>141036172
not until they are done milking Schwarzesmarken and move on to TDA which is supposed to next on the pipeline with a new title
>Gretel will never confess to you
why even live?
>>141036587
Sauce?
I dunno, this just goes flat out against everything in the LN's previously.
Chink translations right? Then again, didn't they amp up Gretel's hatred of Pham and Inghild in the LN compared to the VN? Or was she hating of them in the VN?
>>141036580
In a sense, this was the perfect kind of background for this kind of story, one where unreliable narrator really defines and sets a lot of things in motion. It's reflective in a sense of Theo living in his world - he doesn't even trust himself, or the audience. He lies to both, like everyone else has to, to survive, to make it.
>>141036068
Clearly he hasn't.
>>141036139
>"we"
Yeah, no, stop this shit. YOU signed onto the "Beatrix is the antichrist" bulltrain. Stop trying to make your opinion into overarching fact.
>>141036197
People give Total Eclipse shit, but it was good and a feels ride in it's own way. I feel ya, that ED was especially something.
I wouldn't say he's better necessarily. He's also quite flawed, running from his past.
>>141036342
Not all Yanks hate Beato, just like not all Chinks love Beato. Beato love is more well explained in countries that actually have the base materials (the LN and VN). Burger doesn't obviously have that yet.
When SM makes it to Steam, it's sure gonna cause some shitstorms with the fanbase who are anime-onlines.
>>141038752
>Beatrix is the antichrist
Keep your bullshit to yourself in the future, thanks.
>>141038843
Not him, but that's basically what that ideology comes down to right? That Beatrix is utterly evil. That she is a monster that must die. That she is literally Hitler or insert other monster here.
it has mucked up threads here for a while
>>141038966
Anime certainly tried to make her into muh hitler, and still didn`t succeed.
>>141039045
Oh, you don't believe she is then? I don't either, but it seems to be a minority view around this time.
>>141036330
>People want depth to Beatrix because she's a very attractive character with an interesting design
This.
>>141039087
Second.
If she was not a woman or would have been ugly they would be tons of hatred.
>>141036554
>everything she does is out of evil is incorrect.
I don't see why the two are mutually exclusive.
>>141038153
>Chink translations right?
Why are these considered unquestionable truth?
>>141038752
>Beato love is more well explained in countries that actually have the base materials (the LN and VN).
But she isn't any less of a mass murderer in the LN, and the VN only goes as far as Neptune.
>>141038752
>anime-onlines.
>>141039229
That's part of my point.
That said, the main point is that this is drastically, radically divergent from everything before. And Chink Translator has missed things before.
>>141039123
Kill yourself for using that word.
>>141038752
Honestly the later half of Total eclipse was better, though some parts like that shitty twist that Yui was actually Yuuya's siter was shit
The whole going awol was fucking awesome
>>141039337
No.
>>141039361
>tfw translation for the Vn is stuck 25% like all of the untranslated muv luv VN's
curse you kickstarter..
>>141039123
This is the core problem with the whole thing; it's why so many people are willing to bend over backwards to justify her. It's why they all judge her based on trying to do the right thing, but they apply much more pragmatic considerations to everyone else except Lise.
If it was Jurgen aiming to kill everyone for his warped memory of a long-dead Beatrix's ideals, he would be universally hated.
If it was Theo who went through hell for the purpose of meeting (and fucking) his fake sister, he'd be seen as creepy and a danger to waifus at best and an absolute monster at worse.
You people need to stop thinking soley with you dicks.
>>141039080
No, you assholes are everywhere. I wouldn't say she's 'literately Hitler', probably because if she really did have good intentions for saving the human race, then 'literally Super-Mao' fits better.
If she was just trying to kill everyone for revenge, which the noble motives as a justification, then she manages to be massively evil in her own special way.
I'm very interested to hear how people argue that she isn't a mass murder regardless of her future plans. I'd think what she'd already done would be more or less damming.
>>141037000
What does it say?
>>141036554
>If he really did say that Beatrix's primary attribute is loyalty then the interpretation that everything she does is out of evil is incorrect.
It can be both.
>>141039548
Someone telling the truth. You made my day sir. I agree with everything you wrote.
>lick Gretel's armpits
>cum inside Gretel
>marry Gretel
>>141039548
>>141039693
If Beatrix is to be Irisdina's rival and to be a contrasting figure to her, the flat characterisation ruins it. This is the angle, that at least I follow. The whole only beautiful on the outside cannot be contrasted with beautiful both on the outside and on the inside, even if Beatrix is supposed to be the hotter of the two, because it would make one clearly superior to the other. The claim that the contrast is about methods and morals, is far better. Irisdina sticks to her Ideals and morals, and does no evil after killing her brother and helps hold the line herself. Beatrix throws everything but her loyalty to Jurgen's dream, which I will assume is holding the line, and dirties her hands in order to have the power to change the fact tat her job slowly saps away the DDRs strength.
So in short, its about if the means justify the end or not.
>>141039766
Not if her loyalty is supposed to be to a good person. But then some of the BiS spoilers do seem to indicate that Jurgen works with the Stasi.
>>141039937
>Not if her loyalty is supposed to be to a good person.
Mineva and part of Zeon weren't bad.
>>141036811
Stepping outside the Beatrix argument to borrow a useful parallel from Nazi Germany, portraying them as something like the Hitlerjugend, the young men who were among the last fighting for their (awful) cause, would have probably worked a lot better.
You give them all the virtues of an ideal military unit in abundance, prehaps some a bit more than that. Then you give them all a twist - dedication blurs with obsession - and make it clear from the beginning that something is fundamentally not right, but keep it vague.
Then, when they begin to question Lise's loyalty, the teeth come out. They become monstorus, made all the worse by the fact that they seem to be something else.
>>141039976
>Zeon
I think you have two core groups. You have the original freedom fighters, something like in the vien of Zeon Zum Deikun. This is where you tend to find your Zeonbros (Norris Packard, RAMBA RAL, etc.).
Then you have the Gihren crowd; they are the ones who are responsible for a lot of the massive death and destruction in the first month of the OYW (G3 gassing, Operation British, and so forth).
>>141040144
It doesn`t look like anime cunt batallion believed in Lise`s loyalty in the first place.
>>141040324
But they believed in her fighting ability. Lise was qeuite a smart and capable person.
>>141040378
Yes but they didn't trust her enough to listen to her adivce
>>141040378
Her madskillz is what I`ll never buy, as well as the cunt batallion`s. You don`t need much to kill people running away and terrorize civillians.
>>141040312
And Haman is certainly not in the first group. Still she is loyal to an ideal and evil at the same time, unlike Gihren.
>>141040520
Loyal to whom?
>>141040441
This is true. The MiG-23 outperformed the MiG-21, but was a failure as a weapon because it was so hard to keep it combat-ready under anti-BETA conditions; the same is true (if to a somewhat lesser extent) of the MiG-27.
They were prefect for enforcement work, which required superiority but only infrequent combat, but that indicates that they shouldn't have had much live-fire combat experience.
>>141040539
Newtype's dick.
I want to repopulate earth with Stella.
>>141040581
Too bad, she's mine
>>141040590
t. Somalia.
>>141040590
Fite me faggot. Ain't no one getting between me and them swedetits.
>>141040616
Line starts at Jamal there.
>>141040616
You can have the lesser girls like Cui and Yui
Stella is mine
>>141040638
>Cui and Yui
I'll take both!
>>141040638
>>141040631
I'll murder you.
>>141040660
Yui to cook and Cui to fuck?
>not wanting this
>>141040775
He`s sick in the head, forgive him.
Eurofront when?
>>141041051
>gays in trenches
>gays in robots
>what could go wrong
>>141040775
>cum inside Cui
>marry Yui
>>141041100
Welp,at least gays don't get pregnant
>>141041100
I for one, can't wait to see him posing in a typhoon
>>141041051
NEVER because they had to squeeze everything they can from SM before they can go with the next one.
you gotta wait ages before it happens
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/yXsUNxA.png "latest[1].png")
The Day After.
>Be Wilbert D. Collins
>Be at crashed JFK carrier
>TheFloorIsBETA.jpeg
>Fight last stand
>A wild USS George Washington Appears
>Cover evacuation, BETA everywhere
>ShinyAndChrome.gif
>Survivors get out
>BETA everywhere, no escape
>Tactical nuke incoming
>NukeTheFuckers.png
>Still alive because
>Glad you attended the Teller-Ulam Design and You seminar
>Trapped in dead F-18
>FuckingSuperbug.jpeg
>Rescued by A-6 w/ loli
>Be on carrier
>Pass out
>ZaWardo.png
>Wake up
>Some time later
>Doctor tells you you're fucked up
>Tells you shit is fucked
>Shows you Avenger
>SeatThyselfWithinTheGolem.gif
>FuckYeah.jpeg
>Chicks dig giant robots
>Megas XLR plays as OP sequence plays.
Never. Why live?
>>141041147
Was there ever at least one instance of important ML character getting pregnant?
>>141041554
Your Love Interest in Unlimited.
>>141041529
At least he was having fun on the BETA fun house and was rested in peace.
At least there is a possibility that his still alive in alternative after ouka since technically the bombs didn't drop
>>141041554
Unlimited had the girls being pregnant by the end of their route...see you later
Schwarzesmarken Original Soundtrack #2 out now!
FLAC:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/unouhen06x8iaxt/
MP3:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z22ezafzu133m91
>>141042094
Scaaaaans.
>>141042145
You know I only scan the covers and then take photos of the booklets
Anyways I don't have time right now
If you still want them ask for them on sunday
>>141040612
>>141040631
>mfw I will never remove kebab with Stella.
>>141036326
>>141036399
Fixed that for you..
>>141042401
>sumika and yui
>best
0/10
>>141042518
>>141042571
go away cockroach
>>141041529
Would you like an alternative sequel with Will as the MC?
>>141042598
Is that box set with all three games getting released or was that for kickstarter backers only?
>>141042667
Assume all physicals offered through the kickstarter are kickstarter only
>>141042642
Hell yeah
>>141042642
I would if they fucking release the Melvina Maniax first
>>141041150
> A 20 meter high Mech posing
I like that Idea.
>>141042094
Thanks for sharing.
>tfw no Yugoslavia front vn
>>141043615
Wonder how it went for the Yugos when the BETA came.
>>141038153
>>141039229
Type 94 has also gotten things wrong in the past (why he is no longer apart of a translation team). It's part of the SM experience, I guess, not knowing who's right or wrong. It's not helped by Hiroki and Kouki occasionally encouraging misinterpretations.
>>141043690
I imagine they could have held out pretty well in the mountainous regions for a while. When BETA-kun did end up breaking through they could have always evacuated across the Adriatic
>>141043615
>>141043690
Bad because Tito was already dead and evertyhing went to shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ
>>141038752
>When SM makes it to Steam, it's sure gonna cause some shitstorms with the fanbase who are anime-onlines.
Mostly the Gretelfags. Everyone else should be pretty happy.
>>141043863
I know that my waifu starts as a turbo cunt but she gets better afterwards
Besides there are like 3 Gretelfags
>>141043690
KARADZIC REMOVE BETA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIcxqVRLEWI
>>141043856
>Bad because Tito was already dead and evertyhing went to shit
You saying he got killed by stalin? For what I know there is no information about yugoslavia or the state of Tito
>>141044007
Tito died in 1980
>>141039548
>If it was Jurgen aiming to kill everyone for his warped memory of a long-dead Beatrix's ideals, he would be universally hated.
Not necessarily. You wouldn't have the lust factor, but depending on how charismatic they kept him, he'd still have a ton of fans. He'd be like Ketchup was before episode 08 happened (and there was a lot of Ketchup love until Lise's past was revealed). In an odd sort of way, he might even be less hated (but not as loved) if he took Beatrix's role.
>If it was Theo who went through hell for the purpose of meeting (and fucking) his fake sister, he'd be seen as creepy and a danger to waifus at best and an absolute monster at worse.
Implying Theo isn't hated by many anyways.
>>141044037
If anything, Ketchup only became more popular after 08.
>>141044007
A map of the frontline in 1983 shows that Yugoslavia was not invided by BETA yet.
It was on one of the artbooks
>>141039937
>The whole only beautiful on the outside cannot be contrasted with beautiful both on the outside and on the inside, even if Beatrix is supposed to be the hotter of the two, because it would make one clearly superior to the other.
I think the story itself states that Iris is the superior of the two in the end. Her ideals were the ones which one out, and the story takes every opportunity possible to point out how right about everything she isgranted, most of it is Theo.
>>141044107
It would have been interesting to see how the whole thing would have gone if Katia hadn't appeared on scene. Because she was the game changer.
>>141044036
In the real world yes.
>>141044314
And here tooNot my fault that the japanese don't have the balls to use historical figures
>>141044396
Well Kennedy still got elected in the ML verse, he probably was the one who pushed for space weaponry to fight the BETA in the first place.
>>141044068
Axmann was fairly popular as the reasonable, slimy but still "good" stasi by anime watchers until Lise's reveal. I knew some people even thought that he'd get a redemption arc before the end.
>>141044250
The civil war would still happen, but it wouldn't of been as huge. Beatrix would have taken power after crushing Suzy's insurrection and locked Iris away to forever gloat at her. As for the rest of the 666th, who knows. Pham and Walter would definitely have been taken in. The others weren't really in Iris's inner circle, so they might be able to squeeze out. Theo would definitely go stasi with Lise though.
>>141039937
Well, according to OP's article, SM is a story of good vs evil, so you can have one side be totally wrong.
>>141044469
Who is the current president of america in the ML verse? And if so then would there be chance that a certain wall builder would became the president in the futuRE?
>>141044720
Present day in ML is 2004. In TDA its 2005.
Either way Muricah ain't in the business of building walls in ML,nuclear minefields work just fine.
degica interview
operationrainfall.com/2016/04/29/degica-games-interview/
>>141045088
>May to early June and Part 2-Alternative in September to October.
And the wait goes on forever..
>>141045088
>That filename
Birds of a feather, eh?
>>141040548
Their combat experience was presumably mostly in fighting defecting TSF units.
That said, the Werewolves picked pilots who were talented, and then trained them well. Well trained and talented fighters are still extremely dangerous when even if they don't have much combat experience.
Also the fact that their logistical infrastructure can't handle fighting day in and day out for weeks on end, doesn't really implicate the pilots' skill.
Also responding to an earlier point, the fact that Beatrix knew Lise would betray the Werewolves and feed her false information, and Lise uses her own resources to get the correct intelligence, doesn't make the Werewolves a mean girl squadron, it just means Beatrix knows that ultimately, Lise's heart belongs to her brother.
Also, hair down, resting bitch face Lise is a miracle of the universe, too.
I have to ask how Beatrix ended up so evil. Some people like to say that she was always evil or that she doesn't need a reason to be evil (and may even add "Stop thinking with your dick" afterwards). I'd be able to get behind this if not for the prequel. Knowing what we know about BiS Beatrix, that explanation of pointless evil seems more and more retarded. So what fucked her up so badly? Has Hiroki written himself into a corner or something?
Also, why even expand upon a character who was just a simple, unnuanced, " one-note villain in the original novels". Wouldn't someone else like Walter have been more deserving of a backstory? I don't get it.
>>141042642
>>141043038
>>141042966
What would it be called?
>Reconquista
>Phoenix
>Anschluss
>>141045484
She has a goal, "fulfill Jurgen's dream" and a means to do it, "take control of the MfS," and as long as she can keep her eyes on the prize she had the emotional strength to do anything.
Since the only thing she has in the world is Jurgen's dream, all the normal considerations normal people have do not exist for her.
>>141045331
>Also responding to an earlier point, the fact that Beatrix knew Lise would betray the Werewolves and feed her false information, and Lise uses her own resources to get the correct intelligence, doesn't make the Werewolves a mean girl squadron, it just means Beatrix knows that ultimately, Lise's heart belongs to her brother.
That point doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would Lise give a fuck about where Iris is? Maybe if the person caught was Katia, Lise might care, but Iris; she hated Iris.
Either Hiroki is an idiot, or Type-94 has misinterpreted story events.
Adding on to Beatrix lying crap, giving false info is something militaries do quite often. When I was serving, they'd sometimes purposely mislead us (like telling us we were deploying and to get ready just to tell us to stand down after we all got worked up and mobilized) to confuse the enemy.
>>141045573
Something fitting for a marine
>>141045484
Most likely explanation is that she didn't handle Jürgen's death very well, and coupled with already being in the Stasi by then, she kept playing along until she thought it was normal. Otherwise, the job turned her trollish nature into Sadism or it brought out deeper traits that would have never come to the surface had she not joined the Stasi.
>>141044007
>>141043827
Mountains are good for fighting BETA. Along with major straits, they're the only real defensive terrain, though because the mountains block lasers LOS, attacking though mountains against BETA is probably EASIER than attacking over open ground.
As for the Yugoslavs, it looks like they held out until 1981 or so. Given their historical separation from the rest of the East Bloc, they might have had a better time of finding overseas aid, and also been allowed to retreat.
Does anyone have a detailed description of Sylwia's chapter of requiem? like the name of her friend, how they behaved together, what lead to her getting betrayed?
>>141045611
Yeah, I think being completely callous to others is in-character for Beatrix. The thing which stops her from being a full blown sociopath is that she doesn't give a crap about herself either, unlike Axmann.
>>141045658
Didn't she resist joining the stasi, and hated her father for forcing her in?
>>141045857
>Didn't she resist joining the stasi, and hated her father for forcing her in?
Yes, and she loathes the Stasi and the DDR, but she's there and she's stuck there, so she might as well make the most of it.
>>141045857
She could have accepted her lot in life after losing all connections to the outside. Trying to desert might have gotten her the Lise-treatment.
>>141045852
Hmmm, I've heard different claims. I heard there were a Sudeten-Carpathian Defence line held by Czechoslovakia and a joint Romanian-Bulgarian Carpathia-Danube Defence line, which broke in 83 as well and that the BETA hadn't reached the Aegean or at least the Dardanelles and Bosporus by 83.
What should I buy this month? Berkut or Balalaika?
>>141045484
>So what fucked her up so badly?
You don't just wake up in the morning and decide to kill millions.
The path you take to being a monster generally consists of a large number of steps, each of which looks like a good choice or an acceptable sacrifice, at least from the previous position. After a decade of secret police work, I'd have no trouble believe that someone was utterly unlike whoever they were when they started.
>So what fucked her up so badly?
You don't need some Freudian Excuse that provides a point source for everything wrong with you.
>Also, why even expand upon a character who was just a simple, unnuanced, " one-note villain in the original novels".
We've been over this; it's because she sells. It doesn't matter if it's the best decision if it's what gets the most sheckles.
>Wouldn't someone else like Walter have been more deserving of a backstory?
Infinitely more so.
>>141046116
Red Berkut because it goes faster
>>141045857
>Didn't she resist joining the stasi, and hated her father for forcing her in?
You don't force someone into a command position.
Hey /a/ i've just finished reading meiyas route on extra, should I breeze through sumikas route without reading it? or should i just suck it up?
>>141045856
Her friends are Kaja and Irena. Sylwia was responsible for guarding a hidden cache of supplies and was completely loyal to the Polish government. Kaja wanted to abandon Poland since things had gotten extremely bad. I think the death of her friend was the final straw for her (your picture, basically). Kaja tried to convince Irina and Sylwia to cut a deal with some deserters/rebels, trading in the supplies for a chance of escape. Sylwia said no and Irena sided with her. So Kaja cut her own separate deal and told the deserters the location. Irena tried to stop them, leading to both her and Sylwia getting gangraped. Irena later commits suicide, leading to Sylwia going on a mad quest to get revenge on Kaja. She tracks Kaja down and shoots her MiG out of the sky. Then Sylwia disables her MiG, leaving Kaja trapped as an incoming horde of BETA close in on her. Sylwia watches on as her former friend cries and screams as the BETA rip her MiG open and tear her to pieces.
Sylwia later meets Irisdina, who stops her from committing suicide a couple months later.
>>141046157
She was a mere 2nd Lt. back then. She made mayor only weeks before SM proper starts.
>>141046105
And here is the proof for that claim.
>>141046202
Rebels always fuck up things
>>141046174
>should I breeze through sumikas route without reading it? or should i just suck it up?
Restart with "Skip previously read text" option activated and pick the choices about Sumika. It will take you around 10 minutes to finish it all. And only the ending and some minor detail is going to change.
>>141046255
The best part was was that the supplies they had been guarding turned out to be useless in the end anyways. Poland never got to use them because of the collapse from rapid BATER advance.
>>141046220
>major at 22
It`s not like any of this is an esoteric knowlegde, why can`t japs into military command structure, ranks, equipment or anything?
>>141046220
where did you find volume 6?
So what did they say about Strike Frontier at that stream
>>141045856
>>141046202
Are we ever going to get translations for this material?New LN chapter when? ;_;
>>141046220
She was a Second LT in Gretel's story.
>>141046329
Axmann is a 29 year old LT. Colonel.
>>141046174
>should I breeze through sumikas route without reading it? or should i just suck it up?
you should
since it would make you accept things better
but if halfway through you get annoyed by her then feel free to press ctrl
>>141046105
>>141046220
Warsaw Pact/Yugo side stories when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blfb8XOiYaU
>>141046174
Why would you skip best girl's route?
>>141046220
>And here is the proof for that claim.
Huh. So the BETA were driving exclusively on the Northern European Plain, more or less.
They all dead
DEEEEEEEEAD
>>141046202
Thanks.
>>141046336
A link was posted here back in November I think. I believe its up on the Panda as well.
>>141046329
Iris is a Captain at 23, I suppose they believed that making them so young would make them seem more talented or something. But then again, with ML attrition rates, a fast career is possible, Napoleon did make Mayor General in his 20s.
>>141046329
Beatrix is special. She's meant to be a charismatic military genius (hence her almost crushing Heim, someone who has been in the military for longer than she's been alive). Most of the others put on rank at a more reasonable rate. It took Hannibal like 5 years to jump from Captain to Major, and Iris probably hasn't been a Captain for too long herself.
>>141046439
You have to read sumikas route, and you have to like her too. If you don't like her, then you might want to stop reading it altogether.
Also Ayamine best gril
>>141046587
Whoops meant to link the other guy instead
>>141046174
>>141046329
That's not unheard of in a war, because they promote based on talent instead of seniority. Curtis Lemay went from captain to general in like three and a half years.
>>141046524
There is no such thing as "military genius". And those who do show talent are sent into command structures, not in the field.
Her "crushing" someone actually experienced in theater warfare is even more of a travesty.
>>141046496
Seems like someone gave it the tag "muv-luv total eclipse" but no "muv-luv"
Well this is great, thanks.
>>141046637
>Curtis Lemay went from captain to general
Which tells you much about the quality of US airforce personnel at the time. If you take a look at estabilished military branches with actual history to show, such things don`t happen.
>>141046638
>Her "crushing" someone actually experienced in theater warfare is even more of a travesty.
But she had tits, and a massive stack of Waifu bonuses. No amount of skill can beat that.
>>141046676
Link?
>>141046695
>US airforce
It didn't help that the Air Force didn't exist yet.
>>141046439
Obviously done with it.
>>141046587
I've hated her since the start.
maybe ill like her somewhere in unlimited or her route on extra.
>>141046760
>>141046749
It`s not like those on the ground were much better either. A lot of former russian white movement officers found themselves teaching in various US officer training programs, which again could not have happened if the structure was already estabilished.
>>141046726
http://exhentai.org/g/877929/d4e8a936a1/
>>141046695
The Air Force only exists because Lemay willed it.
And that's perfectly analogous to Beatrix because Tactical Surface Fighters only existed for less than ten years when she made major, and the 8-minute rule means there's a huge deficit of leadership talent in the actual flights, since that's a different skill set than just being a competent pilot.
>>141046760
>somewhere in unlimited
Unlikely lol
Idk if you want to get through unlimited and alternative youre gonna have to just BITE the bullet man. Just give it a good ol CHOMP, you know?
>>141046856
The US military was amateurs and Old Boys before 1941. Technically we're still not allowed to have a standing army and the one we have is a temporary solution that needs to be renewed every 2 years by congress.
American politics are weird.
Basically, there's a shortage of TSF pilots. It's a new thing, and even time would probably only slow down the attrition rates a bit. Beato making captain so young wouldn't be too unusual if she was politically backed (which she was) and also good at piloting (which she is)
>>141046905
Seven years of fighting is a lot of time to develop strategies. Jurgen can`t be the only one to think that lasers are dangerous and should be destroyed first.
>>141046760
>maybe ill like her somewhere in unlimited
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg
>>141046892
What about vol 1 to 4?
>>141047072
>Jurgen can`t be the only one to think that lasers are dangerous and should be destroyed first.
Why not? This is a world where humanity have not BTFO BETA back to the moon.
>>141047152
I dunno
>>141047158
>the only baters seen with a long-range capability
>nah, just concentrate on grappler-kun and his sodomite friends
Come on.
>>141047098
Onwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DdJifdnVs
>>141047098
I want to grab her glasses, wipe my dick with them and give them back just to see how she'd react.
Why is Lise so lickable?
>>141047268
Anon they had to make humanity retarded so that they could have some "muh drama"
Logic and thinking about things does not go hand in hand in muv luv. If they did so then we would have BTFO BETA so hard that they left the moon before we even came back.
>>141047072
No, but in order for it to matter you have to be a good pilot, a good strategist, and also not die horribly before you can share your idea with the world.
That last one is often dependent on factors resting outside your immediate control. As a Stasi enforcer, it works out well for Beatrix getting promoted because she's not likely to go down in a blaze of glory holding the line while the rest of her flight escapes from the endless horde of Beta to fight another day.
By ignoring distress signals, Iris is also safer than the average captain.
>>141047363
How many licks does it take to get to her core?
>>141047363
Her skin is deliciously salty from all themoisturizerand is also an excellent source ofzinc
>>141047324
It will be the last thing you see.
You have a really strange idea about glasses and what they`re good for to boot.
>>141047512
Celery is for faggots, I`ll just lick a Whore of Berlin!
>>141047548
her skin tastes likesalty milkandcoins
>>141047409
You`re describin highly specialized units in both cases, but the experience propagates on frontlines just as well, if not faster - your goddamn life depends on it.
And I doubt every ordinary unit in NVA just drops everything and heads towards distress signal sources too.
Has anyone already tried HS subs with the BD raws? Do they need re-timing or are they fine as they are?
>>141047072
It's also possible that everyone else has enough artillery (and shells) for it to be less of a problem.
>>141047747
Weren`t lasers shooting shells out of the air?
>>141047784
They shoot a considerable percentage, but they can't hit all of them. With enough Dakka the lasers can't keep up.
>>141047784
I estimate something like a 50 to 60% hit ratio on incoming shellfire by Lasers, which is pretty damn impressive all things considered and really takes a lot of the punch out of the artillery.
>>141047864
Considering that common 122-152mm arty rounds can kill things that actually have armor all around
>like a real tank
then no.
![078d42401a480d8c7418c4cb411446d9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/94Qvz6e.jpg "078d42401a480d8c7418c4cb411446d9[1].jpg")
>>141047784
>>141047827
Laser-kun has a minimum interval of twelve seconds between shots, meaning a max ROF of 5 beams per minute.
If the M2001 that the U.S. uses in ML is roughly comparable to the canceled real-world SPG, it would have a rate of fire of 12 rounds per minute or thereabouts. That would mean that it would take 2.4 Laser-kuns to stalemate one Crusader, assuming perfect accuracy. A battery of eight SPGs would then need 20 lasers to fully negate it.
Of course, the guns can fire AL shells, which will progressively degrade the performance of the lasers as the cloud accumulates. This means that after a minute or so, the guns might be able to drop a shell on Laser-kun, turning him to paste and making it much easier to do the same to his friends.
However, MLRS are the key portion of the stragety. Every rocket requires another laser to intercept it, so a battery of 9 M270s would require 108 additional lasers to neutralize the it's full salvo. If you wait until the SPGs have gotten Laser-kun's attention, laid down some AL smoke, and presumably causing some buildup of heat, the number might be much more than that.
And obviously, you're using more than one battery of each system.
>>141048355
Don't do the math Anon, you'll end calling the authors retards, just like the people who actually understand nukes properly.
>>141048355
Oh no.
Now someone will come in and say that a single laser class can simply swoop its beam and destroy several projectiles. And if they are close they will destroy each other in all cases.
>>141046129
>We've been over this; it's because she sells. It doesn't matter if it's the best decision if it's what gets the most sheckles.
Why though, if she's such a flat character?
Cryska, Yui and Inia are my waifus.
>>141048436
>>141048447
Just for the record how many laser class does usually appear in a battle? 10? 50? 100? 1000's?
>you will never give Lise a happy life
>>141039548
>If it was Theo who went through hell for the purpose of meeting (and fucking) his fake sister
She went through hell so they wouldn't execute him.
So they've decided on a theme song for Martyrs.. It's going to be 「white relation. It's nice that we're finally starting to get data on Martyrs with the anime closing out.
>>141048448
She's hot. And for most of SM she has that trollish charm Yuuko had. She only shows her evil side once the rebellion starts, and even then, her Boss isn't much more likeable.
>>141048529
If we got 1million baters then about 1 percent of them will be small laser class.
Another 1 percent will be heavy laser class.
>>141048532
Its more likely her route will end in some kind of sacrifice but you never know.
>>141048529
They are around 2-3% of the BETA if I remember correctly, so it depends. A mayor offensive will carry 1000s a minor usually lacks laser support.
>>141048571
Nice perky twins
>>141048579
>She's hot.
That's usually not enough for the Japs. Usually they go for either the moeblob (Katia, which the did not this time) or the pure girl (Iris, which they did).
>>141048592
>Another 1 percent will be heavy laser class.
That can't be right - otherwise there would have been something like 2500 Heavy Laser-kuns in the quarter-million attacking Seelow Heights.
>>141048447
Do you, by any chance, know how a laser works?
>>141048657
Well the data is from the time when soldier class appear.
Which is much later but in general, the laser class is a minority.
>>141048651
Then you have your answer, they don't see her as a flat character, which strengthens the whole "she isn't evil, just delusional and utilitarian argument".
>>141048694
Certainly not the way they portray them.
>>141048637
It's one percent or so, meaning they would have had a couple thousand lasers in the final major battle in SM.
>>141048724
But you'd expect that they'd have a lot fewer of them in '83, considering the small number of Phase IV+ Hives.
Another thing to consider is that Laser-kun has tiny fucking legs. He isn't going anywhere at the same speed as the regular Baters.
>>141048651
No, Japs go for the evil gril all the time. Having a chaotic evil, villainous mabu rabu is a breath of fresh air in a series populated by girls built from the ground up to be waifuable.
>>141048634
Come at me Bro.
>>141048490
Link to the whole book?
>>141049023
I would lick that oily body until she screams that it tickles
Finished Alternative three days ago. Can't watch any anime or read any manga since then.
>>141049000
>No, Japs go for the evil gril all the time. Having a chaotic evil, villainous mabu rabu is a breath of fresh air in a series populated by girls built from the ground up to be waifuable.
>tfw get to have my cake and eat it too
>>141048796
>Another thing to consider is that Laser-kun has tiny fucking legs. He isn't going anywhere at the same speed as the regular Baters.
Wouldnt that mean that the destroyer class after 1 hour be 170 kilometers away from the laser class? Meaning free kill?
Or what about the tank-class. 80 kilometers in one hour. With the speed of a laser class most of the BETA would get far enough to be outside their protective cover meaning free kills.
Unless they move at the same speed of a laser class most of the time they would fail every time.
>>141049149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaQflZr3Fo
![im[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7Xs67Ea.jpg "im[1].jpg")