http://vjump.shueisha.co.jp/comic/dbs01_sp_int/
>Q: Why is SSB blue?
>Toriyama: "First I was going to have it be white, but that would clash with the 'next enemy', so I saved it for later."
>Toriyama: "Currently I have no plans for Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus and Whis."
>Toyotaro: "Having read the new plot, I'm glad a certain character related to the future is getting involved. I'm a big fan!"
Super Saiyan White confirmed. Also Future Trunks or Cell is returning.
Man Toriyama has to be fuckin with us at this point
>Every Super Saiyen 5 google search for the last 9 years
Man hype as fuck, I'm really glad to hear that it's going to be going further then where it is now. Its like muh childhood again
I'm so fucking pumped.
>>139609870
>Future Trunks receives god training from Whis in his time
>Trunks could transform to Super Saiyan White
If he was first going to have it white, but switched it for blue to use white "later"...
Does that mean Toriyama was planning a story after RoF all along?
>>139610679
I always thoght RoF was just a draft they turned into a movie
Good. If Gold can't be the color anymore, white would at least look cool if it ends up the last form.
It's definitely Future Trunks and not Cell. After Toyotaro's comment, Toriyama goes on to say that it's a really popular character and he hopes the kids watching will be happy to see pop up.
Of course someone here will try to be "funny" by saying that could still be Cell, but logically, it has to be Trunks. Future Trunks is heavily featured in Heroes, so it's something all the kids would get hyped for.
Is the source real? I just don't wanna get late april fool or something.
>>139610745
>implying it won't be Broly with almost god super saiyan form so he has white hair
But in all seriousness who's going to be this white haired enemy?
If if involves time fuckery it has to be Mira and Towa from the Xenoverse game
I hope Future Trunks returns when Bra is already born.
Love to see his reaction to having a little sister. Also that his dad isn't as much of a dick, his alt. young self, and Pan.
>>139609870
He need to bring back the fucking tails.
>>139610880
It's real
>>139610956
Get was shit. Move on.
>>139609870
I was always disappointed with the cell saga they introduced trunks and all he did was job to androids and cell. they hyped his power after his training and we got some bs that he was slower then regular SS
>>139610956
>trying to get GT confirmed
Let it go, anon. The moment Cabba mentioned their evolution discarded the tails was a huge fuck you to GT.
>>139610906
He's talking about why white wasn't used for 「F」being that it would clash with the "next enemy" which was Freeza.
>>139610956
Also this.
>>139611246
Not that anon, but how can you be so out of there?
Beerus and Whis, SSG, SSB, Kaioshin and Kibito going back to be themselves are the actual fuck you to GT.
Tails can come back whenever Toriyama wants, hell, he can make, say Bra randomly sprout one and no one could say shit, but it happens that he's a lazy bastard as usual.
I don't think Toriyama has GT on the mind or even cares about it when coming up with this story, guys
>>139611713
That's the point >>139611246 is missing, anon.
>>139610956
>>139611398
GT was shit and the only reason it got popular abroad because they got hairy and spics can relate to being hairy fucks
>>139611797
>GT was shit
So is super.
>>139611797
Stop being so analblasted for a certain element of a character design.
White hair? That's cool.
>>139611934
>Irredeemable shit vs crap with potential, and a good manga counterpart.
>>139611956
>character design
>Was discarded by original creator and remains discarded when he creates canonical new content
You sound like the analblasted one
>>139612370
I don't see any potential with super
>>139609870
White hair clash with the 'next enemy'?
Possibility of Trunks returning?
Dare I hope?
>>139613532
Or did he mean Freeza's whiteness? That's when SSB debuted afterall
>>139613721
I dunno, possibly.
Though the majority of the time Goku and Vegeta spent being SSB, he was busy being Golden.
>Son Goku
>Based on Son Wukong
>Super Saiyen 4 makes him look more like a monkey god
>Super Saiyen God Goku should have looked like Super Saiyen 4
>>139613819
Actually i think he would've just said "freeza". It's not like he's a secret anyway
>>139613916
An emo Sun Wukong, with 90's punk rock hair and eyeliner. And magic pants.
>white
Well then he has not been introduced yet. That or it's Whis/Vados, which I doubt.
>>139613916
>GT fags believe this
So they're going to turn into Killua?
>>139614652
Hey i fucking hate GT but SSJ4 was Toriyama's design
>>139613916
Goku has much more in common with Superman than with the Monkey King. By the end of the series the only thing still connecting him to Wukong is his name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TJmpWvUpUo
It's fucking time
>>139614652
SSJ4 was Toriyama's design and it looks a lot better than God forms
>>139615278
>it looks a lot better than God forms
opinion, doesn't matter.
>>139615380
>Looks closer to Saiyans' original form and Oozaru form with the tail and hair
>Actually related to monkeys
>Worse than just blue hair
Fact, matters
>>139614948
>>139615278
No, Toriyama had nothing to do with SS4.
SS4 was created by Toei's Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru.
>>139615471
>closer to Saiyans' original form and
And how is SS3 related to monkeys? SS2? SS1???
Fact is, the SS transformation was never intended to make you look like a caveman.
>>139615278
Nope. It was Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru's. Toriyama -did- draw a sketch of SS4 Goku for the DBGT DVD box, though.
>>139615659
Not that anon but SS3 looked like a caveman. Also each time he transform the more hair he grows and his personality becomes more aggressive like how saiyans are suppose to be. These new transformations feel bland both design and personality.
![[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - 037 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).webm](https://i.imgur.com/FQlzyvD.jpg "[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - 037 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).webm")
>>139616399
Just you wait for SSB3
>Future Trunks comes back from the future during the current super timeline to warn them about Majin Buu
>mfw
>https://twitter.com/DBZcom/status/716966264242114560
What if it makes their hair turn white, and their skin turn blue? Then they'll be just like Whis and Vados.
>>139617352
Beerus was shitting himself.
Monaka is a total fraud.
![goku_ssj5_dragon_ball_af[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dhbt5l9.jpg "goku_ssj5_dragon_ball_af[1].jpg")
>>139609870
>>139616613
I haven't started DBS yet, where did this kid come from? He's not related to Goku or Vegeta, is he?
>>139617862
Except he's not a fraud
>>139618051
He's an U6 Saiyan, from the planet Salad.
>>139618051
Cabba is a Saiyan from an alternate universe. Go watch DBS from the beginning and you'll understand when you get to the tournament saga.
>>139618137
Prove it, dude biggest feat is passing out from a base Goku Kamehameha.
Current Monaka is nipples Mr.Satan.
>>139618404
His power is fear. The more scared he gets, the stronger he gets. He's like a pussy version of the Hulk.
>SSJ with white hair
Toriyama the master of keikaku
>>139613916
The remnants of gokus orgins were left in dragonball and phased out entirely by the cell saga.
>Future Trunks is coming back
>SSG is blue instead of white because that'd "clash with the next enemy"
It'd be a very unimpressive change for Trunks' hair to go from a light hue of violet to white
Future Trunks confirmed for next villain
>>139617862
Monaka counters Hit and that's it. His only reason to be there is to stop Beerus from losing
Looking forward to future Trunks and kid Trunks interactions.
>>139609870
Its like one of my future/kid trunks fanfictions!
>>139619454
>Future Trunks meets Kid Trunks
>"Enjoy your life, Trunks, not everything is fighting, spend time with your family and friends, be happy"
>Trainingfags BTFO
http://uptobox.com/4vvh99gpkds6
dbz funi recaps 54-161
>>139609870
>another recolor transformation making the previous ones obsolete.
Is this the best he could come up with?
>>139616943
Are you retarded? You fucking idiot, Majin Buu wouldn't be revived because no one on the planet can generate enough power to revive him. You could make a case for Trunks but then after his energy is taken away, he would be killed. Buu's entire modus operandi is the total destruction of the planet and so no one would be left.
Face it, the future timeline is finished.
>>139619601
>Future Trunks meets Kid Trunks
>"Enjoy your life, Trunks, not everything is fighting, spend time with your family and friends, be happy"
>"Fuck that, I wanna be just like papa!"
>Future Trunks groans
>>139619719
I wonder if Future Trunks has any new threats in his timeline since the Artificial Humans, Cell and Buu are gone.
Actually, if we're going with the "hair equals fire" thing, white would actually be the next color choice
>>139610906
I'd be all for adding Xenoverse/DBO into Super if it means we get Supreme Waifu of Time.
>>139609870
Will there be a character strong enough to defeat Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Perfect Golden Cell?
>>139620010
Considering Majin Buu can't be revived and Beerus would eventually come to the desolate planet Earth to find a super saiyan god....then yes. Beerus would be the final enemy, take out Trunks with ease and blow up the planet.
That is the limit to the future timeline and even if they revived everyone back, they would be far to weak to do anything about Beerus anyway.
>>139620420
Monaka
>>139620456
How are you so sure that the fish will foretell the coming of a super saiyan god?
>>139620010
Eventually Beerus must have woken up in his timeline looking for Goku like the fish foretold. I wonder how that went down for Trunks.
>>139620585
Because the fish's prophecy happened like 30 years before BoG, at which point Goku was still alive.
>>139620652
Didn't he go to Kaio first to ask him about Goku?
>"Hey Kaio, who's Goku?"
>"Sorry Beerus-sama, he's kill."
>"What about Vegeta?"
>"Ded."
>"O-Ok."
>>139617352
>ABAJ
>>139620585
Good point, scratch that. Gohan would never meet Videl and pan would never be born to do the ritual.
If they revive no one, then the planet is a former shell of itself with humanity nearly wiped out.
If they revive everyone then Majin Buu could be revived and everyone will be killed by him.
Too much theory crafting is annoying.
>>139620705
If the fish is an actual oracle, like we are lead to believe, then I doubt it would foretell the coming of a super saiyan god if it definitively will not happen.
>>139620010
Goku is dead, so probably not.
How are the BD episodes looking so far? I saw pics of the first eps and they fixed the art. I wonder how the newer eps are looking.
>>139620741
Wouldn't Goku still get to keep his body? He'd never be able to revive due to dying of natural causes, but he could train for an eternity.
>>139620456
Beerus and Whis are gods and exists outside of time, The Beerus and Whis in the current time is the only Beerus and Whis
>>139620741
No, normally Whis would check his magic staff to see how many saiyans and whatsoever.
>Oh, there's only one saiyan resides in planet called Earth.
>That's it! CHOU SAIYAN-JIN KAMI !!
some shit like that.
>>139609870
In the interview they just say "character related to the future" and in the context of the interview he could be referring to the story timeline OR he could be simply referring to the franchise as a whole.
Personally I love Future Trunks so I'd love to see him again but nothing is confirmed.
>>139621101
Does it matter? The Choreography, sound effects and music still suck.
>>139621258
yeah but they fix some of the QUALITY
![atiyekl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kbhjLhB.jpg "atiyekl[1].jpg")
>>139621285
>>139621213
Trunks becoming kami of earth would be such a comfy end for him rather than the whole time police shit
>>139609870
Why does everyone thinks Future Trunks is coming back? Thats retarded. Obviously Toriyama was talking about Gohan i mean he stayed to train after all. And theres literally no one else to bring back. Except for maybe the talking cat
>>139621341
>character related to the Future
>FUTURE Trunks literally only character from the future in DBZ/DBS
>Gohan is dead in the alternative future
Are Gohan fags really this delusional?
>>139621341
Clearly it's Uub.
>>139621309
thanks but I wanted to see some of the newer eps. also i hope funimation brings over the BD versions.
>>139621456
>>Are Gohan fags really this delusional?
Yes.
Remember these are the same people who thought Super would give Gohan a decent fight against Beerus.
>>139621498
kek.
>Buu fell asleep so Gohan can take his place!
>>139621456
>>character related to the Future
No where in the interview do they discern if they're talking about the future of the storyline or future of the franchise as a whole, I know because I read it in Japanese.
>>139621560
Is gohan worse than Yamcha now? Christ, he's not even in the current arc. even yamcha got some lines in during the latest episode.
>>139621475
Honestly, it could be Uub, Future Trunks, hell even Gohan (kind of a stretch though).
>>139621475
>>139621702
exactly it could easily be Uub or any other hero relevant to the story in the *future*. No where does it say future timeline.
>>139609870
>Toyotaro: "Having read the new plot, I'm glad a certain character related to the future is getting involved. I'm a big fan!"
Hell yeah time patrol Trunks
>Made Beerus canon
>Made New Frieza canon
>Goku talks about Uub
>Pan is born
>Future enemy with white hair
Just wait
>>139621587
と：今回の新しいお話のプロットを読ませていただいたんですが、未来に関係する「あるキャラ」が絡んでくるのは、僕はすごくうれしいんです。
>未来に関係する
suck my dick Gohanfag
>>139621587
It says future in japanese, as in future timeline. It's not as amigious as it is in english
>>139621776
>>未来に関係する
It says "mirai ni kankei suru" = direct translation: future to related is.
it is a character related to the future, nothing about future time line.
>>139621831
>a character related to the future
Hmmmm.... MUST BE GOHAN XD
>>139621762
>New Frieza
??
>>139621899
I was just simply stating they never discern it's future of the storyline or future of the franchise as a whole. That's why I keep an open mind.
Also you're an idiot because I prefer Future Trunks over Gohan but I'm staying on topic with an open mind for the sake of discussion.
Even if it is Uub, how fucking old is he right now anyway? He's gotta be like 6 years old max right now. I hope there isn't another fucking timeskip.
Do you think Goku's deity ritual messes with Pan's DNA while inside Videl?
They already mentioned Uub. He's a toddler now
>>139621902
>>139622037
Might have made her more powerful, all that energy flowing through her.
>>139621966
>I'm an idiot because I don't know some faggot's preference in an Indonesian cartoon.
Holy fuck! This damage control!
>>139617862
>Beerus was shitting himself, therefore Monaka is a fraud
Whis confirmed that Monaka's race is incredibly chill 99% of the time, to an almost absurdity, but if you manage to rile them up somehow then they demonstrate some ability that even Beerus has a hard time dealing with.
Its not that he's a fraud, but we definitely know his ability is strange, and more likely than not Beerus doesn't want others to see it, but he brought it along as a last ditch measure anyway.
He has no real power in his inert form most likely, and his real power is probably incredibly silly, which is why Beerus didn't want others seeing it since he almost lost to that shit in the past.
Might have something to do with nipples, and the opponent runs away in disgust.
>>139622130
ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>139621682
Gohan's in the danger zone. Toriyama's memory is only good for two story arcs before he forgets a character exists.
>>139622088
Also, it cannot be Uub because he isn't really popular. Toriyama said the character "related to the future" is pretty popular.
>>139622192
Also something about him having blue energy in one scene which was different from everyone else.
He doesn't seem Ki based
>>139621682
Gohan is busy with work. He was keeping up with Piccolo so he's still stronger than most earthlings though he might have a problem with Android 18 the only pure earthling that has any significant power.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DJwdfDO.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>139621760
Could be Bra
>>139622192
Monaka's was supposed to be the strongest in the universe as for the narrative that Beerus was pushing, but for all we know Beerus' story could have been a bluff when he was sweating and panicking.
>>139622411
Strongest Humans:
Uub > Tien > Krillin
18 is an android and not a pure earthling.
>>139622439
>I'm a big fan of Bra!
Yeah, that's totally it.
>>139622443
He tanked God Goku's punch.
>>139622514
Do you come into threads to shit on discussion?
>>139622514
ITS GOHAN!!!
GOD!
>>139622443
Its because he doesn't want anyone to see Monaka's fighting style, since Beerus already admitted earlier that he almost lost to this guy in the past.
Its like losing to Arale, even though she's the strongest, it still makes you feel like a joke.
>>139622496
Krillin is actually the strongest earthing (human), see the final dbz chapters. they state it specifically.
>>139622496
18 isn't an android she's just enhanced, She has tech in her body it's no different than a Human with a weapon but you're right about Uub if Uub were not currently a tiny toddler
>>139622625
he could be referring to his style, or he could be a complete fraud. Nothing is off the table or confirmed.
One thing we do know like someone else has mentioned is that he can tank a punch from Goku.
>>139622686
>different than a Human with a weapon
that's a gross exaggeration.
>>139622567
>They set up the Krillin getting punched scene just to contrast with Monaka getting punched scene, to show that this guy can't actually be that weak, but at the same time he's fucking strange.
Krillin getting punched in the same way flew a few miles and broke everything
Monoka taking the same punch, just sort of pudged in a bit slightly, and healed seconds later.
>>139621213
Super Saiyan in Japan is Supaa Saiya-jin. They never say Chou.
>>139622791
Why?
>>139622686
Well let me elaborate, 18 is an Android but Android is not a race it's an enhancement like a prosthetic arm or in her case a weapon.
>>139622686
>Android 18 isn't an android.
>>139622820
bUT She TOTES IS JUST LIKE A HUMAN!
Are Gohan fags literally this delusional?
>>139622439
Bra isn't popular. The average Dragon Ball fan doesn't even know she exists.
>>139622850
She's a Cyborg.
Hence why she gets called C-18 in other languages.
>>139622850
Its technically correct, she's a cyborg rather than an android
Data books talk about how they were originally human, kidnapped by the doctor, he altered them a bit but they're mostly still human in a sense, and they can grow stronger with training.
Toriyama just got the terms cyborg and android mixed up, or one isn't as cool sounding.
>>139622810
because in the original publication there was furigana (writing defining the kanji) for the transformation's name written as such.
>>139622820
Cyborg not android. Learn the difference.
>>139622810
Because English sounds cool.
Suupaa Saiyajin Tsurii
![[DBNL]Dragonball GT - 22 - The Baby Secret [DR][x264][8666A15F].png](https://i.imgur.com/Y5vXR5z.png "[DBNL]Dragonball GT - 22 - The Baby Secret [DR][x264][8666A15F].png")
>from the future
>its GT Goku
jesus, I wouldn't get near the DBZ fandom or /a/ for months.
but Future and Toriyama... knowing this guy it could be anything. many think Trunks which i kinda hope. but its tori and i never trust that guy.
>>139622882
yeah but wouldn't be great to revisit how she was created? Who doesn't want to read a good Bulma X Vegeta doujinshi?
>>139622850
>>139622851
She was born a human with her brother they were orphaned and adopted by Dr Gero and he enhanced their bodies just like he did to himself
>>139622940
I think it's more that Gero made 16 Androids and he didn't feel like starting over counting.
Either that or he considered 17 and 18 to just be robots made from people.
>>139621762
Pan and Uub were both canon at the very last chapter of Z, though
>>139622966
Yep that's the word i was looking for.
>>139615598
Believe it or not, Toriyama influenced it at minimum.
>>139623035
I haven't read Journey to the West in a while, but I don't recall a chapter where Monkey went to an alternate universe to battle aliens.
>>139623110
HIS NAME IS GOHAN! HE IS COMING SOON! HE WILL BE IN THE TOURNAMENT!
>>139623161
What are you doing? Trying to make Gohanfags look bad?
>>139623110
Not every form of Sun Wu Kong is the way he is in Journey to the West.
>>139623088
source?
>>139622636
bull tien better
>>139609870
>future
>future trunks
>Future trUNKS
>FUTURE TRUNKS
>FUTURE TRUNKSS
>FUATUW2BDUKN2FNKI2UEJKY
>YB2FUIUIWDBYWB
I'm so incredibly excited. Not only is Piccolo relevant again, not only are there tons of new characters with potential, not only is Vegeta being his classic ''dangerous prodigy'' archetype again, not only is the tournament about to reach it's climax, but FUCKING FUTURE TRUNKS IS COMING BACK.Well, most likely. Toriyama has always been a huge teaser and manipulator when it comes to his audience. I just hope it is Trunks. I mean, we've had a semi-foreshadowing of sorts in the RoF arc, when kid Trunks pretends to cut Frieza in half. I just hope it's what I expect.
>>139623192
yes, there's definitely a troll amongst us.
>>139623192
GOHAN HAS MYSTIC FORM WICH IS WAY MOR POWERFUL THAN SSB!
CAN"T YOU GUISE GET THAT?
>>139609870
While some answers like Toriyama fondness of the SoL bits make me happy I could get by without knowing he is still giving the rough baseline for the series.
This is the weakest tournament arc to date. I'd like to write it of as Toyotaro and Toei nothing knowing how to pull it off, but I guess he really just lost his flair.
>>139623161
>>139623257
Toriyama wants you to forget Gohan exists, Anon. There's no reason for Gohanfags to watch Super.
>>139623257
>GUISE
too obvious/10
>>139622940
I thought jinzou ningen could mean either android or cyborg in moonspeak
>>139622980
>Toyotaro starts adding his ideas to the plot
>The fandom becomes a memefest war between "Toriyamafags" and "Toyotarofags"
>>139622000
>Even if it is Uub, how fucking old is he right now anyway? He's gotta be like 6 years old max right now. I hope there isn't another fucking timeskip.
Uub is a baby. Don't you people watch super? Jesus christ
>>139623240
to be honest since Future Trunks is one of my all time faves I'd love to see them somehow push and incorporate the current Kid Trunks to become more mature like his predecessor.
That to me is more important than him returning and creating an awkward overlap.
>>139623379
Uub was 5 or 6 when Pan was born.
>>139623411
Source?
>>139623380
I want to see Trunks training with Tapion's sword. Maybe even have Yajirobe teach him how to wield it.
>>139622940
>Toriyama just got the terms cyborg and android mixed up
No, that was Funimation.
>>139622000
I want Uub to be retconned, it's happening since I think toriyama hasn't mentioned him yet, which means he forgot he existed
>>139623476
idk I'd rather not see the old movies become canon. If so I'd like them to start off with Janemba, that way we can get a realistic look at what their opinion on Gogeta is to the canon.
>>139623476
>Tapion's sword
>>139623466
In the epilogue Pan is 4 and Uub is 10. Do the math.
>>139623501
Stay mad retard.
>>139622439
That would actually be neater than the obvious choice. Since they postponed her birth have her introduction mirror Trunks in the original run. Another Bulma kid coming from a alternate fucked up timeline.
>>139623589
why? DB epilogue is already retconned
>>139623501
Anon.. Uub been mentioned in the Dragon Ball Super.
>>139623501
>>139616613
>vegeta's bitch knees
every time
>>139623684
didn't see it in the manga which toriyama overseas
>>139623647
Nice headcanon senpai
>>139620456
>Considering Majin Buu can't be revived and Beerus would eventually come to the desolate planet Earth to find a super saiyan god....
Why would Beerus even go to Earth in that case though? He'd probably end up finding Goku in the Other World, just like he did in the movie and from there it'd likely progress differently. Maybe searching for other Saiyans in the other world.
>>139623647
DB Super takes place before DB epilogue, though.
It's not retconned.
>>139623647
The only thing that got retconned is a bit of age differences and most importantly 1 factor that got altered which was Vegeta's reaction to the reincarnation of Buu.
He seemed genuinely surprised hearing it for the first time in the epilogue but now that he heard from Goku in Super, he has to act surprised at the fact that it's actually Uub and not at the fact that he's the incarnation.
This isn't that big of a deal of a retcon, is there anything else worth mentioning that has been altered in the Uub Epilogue I didn't mention?
>>139623763
>>139623730
? Read the epilogue and you will find out pretty much everything in DBS retcons it
from vegeta needing to catch up to goku still to there being "10 years of peace"
>>139623775
I thought Bra was already supposed to be born?
>>139623589
I hope he does something in Super to make people forget about his shitty GT version
>>139623775
Vegeta did not know that kid buu's re-carnation would be right here in the Tournament.
Explains the reaction since Goku did not tell the surprise before the tournament.
>>139623379
I have been watching Super and the only mention was Goku saying he's probably a baby by now and we all know how much of a math genius Goku is.
>>139623833
But anon, washing down shit with more shit won't help.
>>139623853
yeah that's what I was pointing at, is there anything else though?
>>139623832
Yeah I heard by her age calculation she should be born by now.
>>139610964
lies
>>139623859
You know who is a genius?Gohan
>>139623775
In the epilogue Goku says he hasn't seen Bulma for 5 years, which obviously isn't true in Super.
But they're not retcons, they're just continuity errors due to Toei incompetence. Nothing has changed since the first anime.
>>139623411
Retconned man. The epilogue will probably still exist, just more years ahead.
>>139623859
He doesn't say "probably" a baby, he literally says that Uub was born recently and that he's a baby.
>>139623939
but aren't we still at least 5 years away from the Tenkaichi Tournament?
>>139623939
it's not toei since toriyama wrote BoG, RoF, and super
>, but that would clash with the 'next enemy'
SSJ5 confirmed for the next boss
>>139623240
> piccoro is relevant again
Haven't you seen the tourtnament anon? He literally got out because he was shit.
Also, i don't understand the hype for future Trunks, kid Trunks is stronger than him.
>>139623962
How does Goku know the kid was just recently born, was he the fucking midwife or something?
>>139623989
>SSJ4 is retconned
>SSJ5 is confirmed
???
>>139623713
Bait but still.
Toriyama makes drafts, the anime crew and toyotaro take anime and manga respectively from those drafts.
Anime is canon, manga is not.
>>139624010
He keeps tabs on him.
>>139623939
It's not Toei's incompetence. It's Toriyama doing whatever the fuck he wants with his story, and I'm ok with that, he's been doing that since chapter 1
>character "related to the future"
couldn't this refer to Pan?
>>139624010
>How does Goku know the kid was just recently born, was he the fucking midwife or something?
Enma.
You never watched Super right? Thanks for proving it.
>>139624045
Never once stated or shown.
>>139623998
Someone get this kid a dictionary.
Since no one here is capable of reading the fucking manga I will make it easier for you. Read carefully.
>>139624010
King Yamma informed him, c'mon. Watch the ep if you can.
>>139623998
He had a fair chance against Frost if he wasn't poisoned.
>>139624069
I don't remember Enma showing up once in Super. What episode did this happen in?
>>139624074
The dates were retconned pal.
>>139623966
>>139624048
We could be still 5 years away from the tournament in the manga. But we are less than 5 years in the anime, since they threw that timeskip and wish to Shenlong between the RoF and Tournament arcs.
>>139624028
technically he's right when it comes to the overseen of the manga publication.
It's more refined and in Toriyama's vision of the original manuscript he wrote.
The manga even though is a "TL;DR" version of the story is still canon in regards to the manga medium.
Toriyama also showed distated for how Toei handled Super in the original episodes where they were too busy to treat the franchise with the respect it deserved and commissioned Toei Philipines to do episode 5 etc.
TL;DR: different mediums have different canons, the anime has it's own and the manga has it's own too.
>>139624126
>Gohan muscluar
confirmed Gohan training.
>>139624126
>>139624147
Super isn't capable of retconning the manga. The manga is the canon.
>>139624147
so was their "peace" time, so was vegeta's character (you will notice vegeta being mad at goku for being stronger than him in the last panel in the special edition and swearing to pass him)
>>139624070
>139624138
Again, thanks for proving you never watched Super.
Next time you want to shitpost at least try to watch the anime before.
>>139612370
You gotta be pretty fucking out there to think that there is some kind of significant difference in the "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING TO THE SERIES?!" level of shit between GT and Super.
I remember Future Trunks being everyone's favorite in my school. Was it also the case in Japan?
>>139624225
Yes
>>139624161
>Toriyama also showed distated for how Toei handled Super in the original episodes where they were too busy to treat the franchise with the respect it deserved and commissioned Toei Philipines to do episode 5 etc.
No, stop talking out your ass.
Toriyama mentioned the animation, he never said a thing about the story.
>>139624182
it's not at all, toriyama mentioned how he didn't like how the characters got so old looking in the manga
so that won't be happening in DBS
>>139624138
The Spirit Detective arc
>>139624227
>5 years ago training trip !!
Whis actually did it, absolute madman.
>>139623939
>5 years
Now wasn't the epilogue longer than 5 years after Buu?
>>139624204
What episode, I don't remember seeing Enma in Super at all. I could've just forgot.
>>139624256
Fuck you. You faggots had me going.
>>139624250
Source?
>>139624333
Darkness vs Light
BRAVO NOLAN
>>139624315
>>139624287
I am posting the manga in this goddamned thread, read it. It couldn't be simpler.
Now in a few pages, Pan's age will be revealed to be four. Pan is currently alive in Super. Think long and hard about what that says about when Super takes place.
>>139624058
GT Pan was a annoying bitch. Her design on the other hand
>>139624249
my greentext you highlighted never mentioned a single word about the story.
Like I said previously the manga is becoming more and more established as it's own form of canon, like the Pyramid settings.
The stories are based off Toriyama's manuscripts but the manga has been refined and overseen by Toriyama. This doesn't excuse the abbreviated storytelling they are doing for the somewhat rushed tempo of the manga but it's still canon within it's own Super manga medium.
To argue and say one is canon over the other is like saying the Marvel movie universe is canon and not the one of many comic books that inspired it.
>>139624316
In the same fucking episode Goku mentions Buu, fuckface.
>I could've just forgot.
Yes anon you've been saying the wrong things from the beginning because you "forgot"
Just admit you don't watch Super and you're just shitposting.
>>139624333
>Source?
My ass, of course. I was making a joke XD
>>139624074
>hercule
>>139624388
You're really good at this.
>>139624360
>I'm cutting your allowance in half if you don't enter
Vegeta that ain't your money
Super Sayian White 3 Kaioken Gogeta/Vegito
>>139624315
>>139624360
>Goten and Trunks don't want to fight.
They became throw-away characters after one story arc.
>>139624417
Of course you were.
>oh shit, he caught me lying
>h-ahahah I was pretending to be retarded!
>>139624462
>>139624430
If I thought anyone in this thread could read Japanese I would post the Kanzenban version of these chapters, but Viz is the best that exists in English so get over it.
>>139624533
I can!
>>139624333
one of the interviews translated by kanzenshuu
