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>>139016138
Mods please do your job and ban the spammer.
Thanks.
>>139028297
Guess I'll use this one
Let him shitpost in his own thread
>>139028490
Can we contact the mods somehow? I feel like this won't stop until they give a clear decision. If that kills the threads, then so be it.
>OP + 4 replies
>3 posters
Samefag harder OP, the other thread was first go have a sook.
>>139028548
I made the 2nd post retard.
おはよお
おにいちゃんあたしも
ううんなんでもない
>>139028536
>If that kills the threads, then so be it.
go fuck yourself mate
>>139028774
I don't want them killed of course. But I don't know how the mods would decide it.
>Dekinai Japanese Thread
起きる
>to get up, get out of bed
起きる
>to occur
起こる
>to happen
起こる
>to wake up
>>139028835
They're all basically the same thing aren't they though.
>起こる
>to wake up
I don't think this happens
>>139028835
transitive and intransitive verbs I get but why do they have to use the same kanji for so many words
>>139028835
Just realised, 'wake up' is actually 起こす.
Can someone help out?
This is what I think some of them should be, probably
>"元気そうだ"xx?
>冗xが下xだな
>>139028835
I feel like these make sense though, since they share the common theme of rising
>events arise
>rise from bed
日本語でお話をしよう！初心者でも歓迎だぜ！
今期一番気に入ったアニメは？自分はこのすばかな。アクア様に罵倒されたい
>>139029107
って
下品
>tfw you want to read a series and no raws available, but it's being scanlated by a group keeping their raws private
>tfw okay I'll just read it in English
>tfw you realize they have no fucking clue what they're doing and are machine TL'ing
Why do people who can't TL try to TL?
>>139029107
「元気そうだ」って？
冗談が下品だな
>>139029107
きっとよめるよ
がんばっておにいちゃん
I guess the new rule is "first OP with the correct OP image" until this all boils over?
>>139029188
>He hasn't heard of a jet coaster
Get out more, anon.
この書き込みはiPhoneの音声入力を使って書いたものです技術って本当にすばらしいですね終わり
>>139029171
>>139029191
Thank you!
>>139029192
>>139029196
And the correct text.
But lets not talk about this. We shouldn't give the mods even more reason to ban us by casually staying off-topic.
>>139029188
Most manga scanlations are this, yet /a/ is completely unaware, doesn't care, or is too lazy to spend a couple months studying to start reading manga untranslated.
The unavailability of weekly manga is the main reason why I can't be bothered reading manga, though. A bit of a shame groups are so stingy and won't share their raws, but I guess if they did that everyone would know how shit they are.
Are there online JP sub services that let you subscribe to digital versions of specific manga? I don't want to import entire magazines with shipping costs and all just for a couple manga inside it.
>>139029239
Oh I didn't notice the fucked up OP text. I guess it really is that spammer autist.
>>139029188
What? It's called jet coaster in my language. English word adoption thing, What does it called in English? Roller coaster?
The 2 is different? It's jet coaster in japanese tho.
>>139029196
I don't feel safe being on his thread, that's why I'm here. DGAF about OP image.
>>139029308
>The unavailability of weekly manga is the main reason why I can't be bothered reading manga, though.
I read one or two weekly manga. Haruka-yumenoato and manga-zone is what I've been using.
You can subscribe to Jump Digital only if you are in Japan. They detect by IP.
>>139029310
>>139029213
ESL's please go, roller coaster is roller coaster.
>>139029373
Go where brah. I'm too old to go to roller coaster. Anyway, in japanese it's ジェットコースター so yeah.
Man, I'm going to google this jet coaster roller coaster thing.
>>139029404
Katakana shouldn't always be transliterated. That's like translating stuff like スタイル as "style" (though jet coaster isn't AS bad).
>>139029464
スタイル does actually mean "style" in some contexts, though not very often.
>>139029464
No yeah. I mean, I get why the translator mistranslated it, he's probably not a native speaker either.
Japan is not the only language that uses "jet coaster", I've always thought they were synonyms, until 5 seconds ago.
>>139029559
>Japan is not the only language that uses "jet coaster"
It is though. "Jet coaster" is one of those words that sounds logical and correct but isn't actually a real English word.
Some /a/nons started to talk about morpheem.jp in the last thread, What do you think about it?
Session done!
You know 1,560 – 2,050 Japanese words.
Yesterday you knew 1,180 – 6,050 words.
This is better than 55% of users.
Did it just now for the first time. I got more than 3000 words in Anki so I was a bit surprised that it's this low.
>>139029594
I think I did it and got about 20k, but I don't think I know that many. I don't think it's very accurate.
>>139029404
>Anyway, in japanese it's ジェットコースター so yeah.
Yes, I know, that's why I posted that image since it makes their shittiness clear. It's fucking shitty false-friend Katana engrish, why the fuck would you transliterate it when it's inaccurate.
>>139029594
>he forgot 4k words in a dayyeah I doubt that thing is accurate at all
>>139029688
But you know what they meant right?
The point of shitty scanlations is to roughly translate manga fast since for the vast magority of these people, they do it for fun and not a job.
I don't think most of their readers care whether it says "roller coaster" or "jet coaster" since they know what they are taking about, they have pictures after all.
>>139028708
Genki desu ka? Watashi mo genki desu.
>>139029782
This is so much easier to read. I won't be surprised when in 5-10 years Japanese is just Romaji with spaces and sentances structured like normal people.
>>139029782
わたしぇわ元気です笑うですね！！ははかっくいいい！ですううう
>>139029591
>It is though.
It's not. >>139029310
It's also called jet coaster in my language. Some English word adoption thing. I mean, last thread I asked about "narcissism" and the wiki link was so far off than how the local language adopted the words. Narcissist locally just means "selfie addict".
Maybe it's a コンセント kind of adoption. Roller coaster have too much L and R for the natives local tongue maybe, that's why it's called "jet coaster" in my language.
>>139029688
At least it's not as bad as translating コンセントはどこ to "consent". My guess is the person is probably not a native. I mean, you'd know immediately if some regular word is not a word right, in your local language.
>>139029830
>japan and the japanese in general start using romanji
>feel guilty because my mother tongue, culture, and nation took part in utterly defacing a modern language.
>高くなかった
>Tae Kim throwing tongue twisters at me minutes in
Is my tongue just shit?
>>139030104
It is.
>>139030104
Eat more sushi.
>>139029780
>But you know what they meant right?
Because I speak moon. An EOP would not necessarily know jet coaster = roller coaster, they might guess it but it would read quite oddly for them.
Why do they horde their raws I just want to read this series unraped.
>>139030104
You get used to it.
>>139030200
I posted some website for you here >>139029371
Have fun reading manga. It doesn't follow leak schedule though.
Like I have to read Mangastream's atrocious translation first before I can read the WSJ once it's out.
When going through Tae Kim do you guys bother much with the vocab or do you just focus on the rules and leave vocab to the core2k/6k deck?
It's taking me a while to slog through it when I'm trying to learn the vocab used too.
>>139029594
looks cool but in the end i think it's shit.
i think one reason why it's so inaccurate is because certain loanwords (i.e. katakana words) are considered to be advanced vocabulary, but are easy for those who know the language they were borrowed from. this fact can trick some algorithms into overestimating your vocabulary.
just take the JCAT if you want to know how good you are at japanese. it's free for individuals, and it's so accurate that even japanese universities have contracted their language testing services.
>>139030606
I have related question like this.
I'm half way through Tae Kim, should I start studying a radical deck or core2k?
>>139030606
Don't focus on vocab in Tae Kim, you will pick up some words even without aiming to. They are there just to illustrate the grammar.
>>139030606
Whether you do it in TK or anki hardly makes a difference, you gotta study it eventually anyway. If it annoys you to learn the vocab before starting another TK lesson just skip it and do anki afterwards with your saved time.
Then again a lot of people end up not actually studying in the time they saved.
>>139029216
すごい
Anyone else given up study and embraced the hedonistic approach of reading whatever whenever?
>>139031049
Yes, but I force myself to cover a minimum amount of pages per day at least.
>>139031049
Don't give up "study", just do less of it.
>>139031124
All I do is read anyway.
>>139031151
What's this すいご刀ゲーム？
>>139031196
Shadow Warrior
>>139031049
>giving up study
>not building up an impressive anki summary to gloat about on djt
Honestly actually reading japanese is secondary to this
>>139031222
Literally nobody cares. I'm not even saying this because I pity you or anything, I'm just neutrally stating a fact, nobody in the entire world cares or will ever care about your anki stats. Not even you yourself care, admit it.
>>139031151
Why is the writing backwards?
>>139031266
Maybe it's a brain exercise
>>139031266
Because it's a photo
>>139031222
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!
But really I'll keep up with reviews, may as well. Not finding enough new words to keep doing them though.
>>139031266
Japanese people used to read backwards before WW2, duh.
Retard here.
I just finished Japanese the Manga Way and loved it. I don't know how I should proceed next, however. The guide for lazy morons like me tells me to open up Tae Kim and do kana/kanji/vocab everyday but holy shit that text sure looks boring when compared to JtMW.
>>139031316
Start reading. No joke. Read and look up every piece of grammar you don't recognize in DOJG, or just by googling. This is where the real challange starts
Oh and do vocab/kanji on the side if you haven't started already.
>>139031316
I, like the humongous retard moron I am, forgot to mention that I feel my weakest point at the moment is kanji and kanji combinations. Kanjidamage is being decent at making me memorize some but I don't see any word practice there.
Please don't make me subscribe to wanikani.
>>139031258
>Not even you yourself care, admit it.
I do care. It makes me feel good to see relatively detailed stats about how I've improved over time. I don't really expect anyone else to care, however I myself find inspiration when I see posts like >>139031307 which remind me that it's actually possible.
>>139031316
>>139031388
I haven't read it, but I thought Japanese the Manga Way covered the grammar that Tae Kim does already? Either way this anon is right >>139031365
>>139031286
>いぬのちんぽ
What the fuck?
>>139031477
you have a dirty mind, anon
How does one pronounce あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛?
>>139031477
it's さんぽ, but i did the same thing
>>139031477
さんぽ
Jesus, my brain can't handle these endless rows of virtual synonyms in core.
>>139031550
あ濁点 あ濁点 あ濁点 あ濁点 あ濁点
>>139031477
Good thing you made this mistake here instead of in real life
>>139032171
I don't think it would be that bad
Everyone loves dick jokes... right?
>>139028297
I learned my first katakana, guys. Since I have finally seen that katakana is used for foreign words, I showed myself how they wrote Sailor Moon, and in the process I learned the kanas!
Question is: why do they put the dashes in between each kana，and do I really have to do it?
セーラームーン！
>>139032262
You can put spaces too or other symbols too, but Japanese Nihonjin don't really do that too much. You can put in smaller kanas as a stylistic choice, like やゆよ. The general rule is 1 symbol/dash per katakana.
When reading materials that are out of your reach by a fair amount do you prefer to look up every word you don't know or read through a Chuck then go back and look up keywords?
>>139032642
My plan is to read things other than them for 2-3 years then pick it up as an experienced veteran and blow through'm at native level
>>139031316
J:TMW covers everything in Tae Kim except some of the "Advanced" section, which you don't need to read Yotsuba.
>>139032676
>learning japanese toread ものべの
>want to just read it, not read a few words then look up the vocab/grammar for the rest of the sentance
>it will be years before I'm even close to that stage
Wait for me 夏葉ちゃん!
大好きだよ!
>report multiple posts from the spammer last thread
>got a warning for abusing the reporting system
>>139033957
>making mods do their job
Boy, has there ever been a shittier browser than Firefox, which can't even close itself properly and has its exe linger on in the background. It's about time someone made a proper Chrome version of Rikaisama.
>>139034141
Firefox is the best piece of open source software ever made. You shut your goddamn whore mouth.
>>139034303
Welcome to the highest level of japanese
>>139033957
They see the posts out of context so they look legitimate.
>>139034339
Even so:
"I would rather have 1000 beginners asking how wa and ga work than 1 argumentative autist"
-Sun Tzu
>>139033957
I don't really get what kind of special autism you have to have to believe your personal opinion matters more than the mods' and to spend several days worth of time doing this shit instead of just filtering the thread and worrying about stuff that actually matters or doing something more productive with your time. The absolute massive amounts of delusion in his posts last thread towards the end is even more hilarious.
Probably this >>139034382 though. If they aren't actively browsing the thread and they don't know that it's just that autist shitting up the threads for the whole thread, they'd probably just see it as you reporting legitimate questions.
Oh well, back to reading I guess.
>>139034848
Were you here last thread?
How do I deal with words like this?
>大毘盧遮那成仏神変加持経
>>139034896
Oh, I guess reading my post back it could be misinterpreted. That was all talking about the autist spamming threads / who spammed last thread, not the guy I was responding to. I don't really get it.
>>139034964
Oh geez ya, I definitely misinterpreted that.
>>139034935
Buddhism is like a second language inside of Japanese.
>>139034719
The problem is when the argumentative autist starts asking how wa and ga works to make some kind of a "point".
>>139034935
I can't even remember it in english, not point trying to learn it in japanese
>>139034303
You seem to have deleted your post in shame but it is not a shameful question, just a common beginner one. If you'd like, try reading JtMW, it is the best Tae Kim alternative by far, although it doesn't go as much in depth as Tae Kim does by the end. But beyond that, the real answer is just keep reading and eventually context will make it clear.
>>139035308
DOBJG has the best explanation.
>>139035308
>You seem to have deleted your post in shame
That and I found an answer that made sense to me a few minutes later so I decided to delete the post instead of leaving the possibility for tons of mean responces shitting up the thread.
For any lurkers that are confused too, this explination helped: https://youtu.be/UCiIAXVr1FU?t=5m9s
>>139035525
>mean responses
Not going to happen as long as the question is legitimate.
>>139035465
I don't disagree, but I think it as a total beginner it makes a lot more sense to read through a whole grammar guide once just to get a feel for it all before worrying about fully understanding each particular part. Otherwise you risk spending way too much time on each part individually.
>>139034935
Learn Chinese.
とれたてのミームを観ましょうか
>female singer uses 俺, お前 and ぜ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4izWBHUstw
>>139036219
>Maki Asakawa
Top-tier taste.
>>139032676
This doesn't work that well desu
The only way to get to the point where you can read Muramasa-level things easily is by reading Muramasa-level things. If you just try to avoid hard things until you can read them easily then it will be 10 years until you can read them instead of 2 or 3.
Fortunately Muramasa was so long that after spending 20 hours on the prologue + first chapter it got significantly easier, and by the time I finished the common route I was looking up words about as often as I did with other VNs.
I read a few other short Nitro+ works (Kikokugai/Saya no Uta/Dra Koi) as a quick prep, although I'd recommend reading Hanachirasu first since it's by the same author.
>>139035525
I got one more が tip you probably didn't read. Use it with わかる instead of を. So, in cases where you think をわかる would be appropriate, you must say がわかる instead.
>>139036461
I disagree. As long as you're steadily encountering new words, its just a matter of time until you hit Muramasa level. I read the prologue of Muramasa to confirm this. It's high level for sure, but it's still Japanese.
Why さゃん and not さん
Is 80-82% retention fore core 2k6 (I'm halfway through) considered good? I'm doing 50 new cards a day and pressing again whenever I'm wrong.
>>139037485
If you're below 95% you'll never learn Japanese
>>139037485
It's okay, yeah. If you're talking about young retention, that is. Maybe a bit higher, but reading and more exposure should help. Your mature retention should be above 95%, maaaybe 90%.
>>139037441
ちゃん - i know you like that and youre かわいい
さん - i dont know you like that and you could still be かわいい though
>texthookers (ith + chiitrans) work with every moege
>break on literally every fucking game with an ounce of difficulty
Mother FUCKER
>>139037575
Actually I said retention but I'm talking about the % next to "Again count" on the statistics page. I assume it's that though.
On mature cards it says 90~%, for today that is.
For overall deck life it says 95% for mature cards and 93% for Young+Learn. So I suppose I'm doing well?
>>139037687
What about ITHVNR? ITH with VNR's engine.
>>139037705
>For overall deck life it says 95% for mature cards and 93% for Young+Learn.
Yeah that's fine. The important stat here is 95% on mature cards, but 93% on young is really good too.
>>139037719
Likewise.
ITHVNR is a weird one, it hooks to some games but then never shows any output.
>>139037767
That's a shame to hear. Could probably post about it on one of those forums and see if someone can make a working H code or maybe see if there's something the devs of those texthookers could do, but who knows.
>>139037854
I'd rather shake my fist at life and feel sorry for myself.
>>139037760
I'm expecting it to drop the more I progress though the deck though, well not drop drastically but a few % still. Everything in core 2k was really easy since I already had prior experience with the language but the other 4k are slightly harder, or I should say brought up many words I had no knowledge of before.
Anyone did core 10k? How are the new 4k cards? I know most people are going to tell me to not bother and just read but I also heard people saying it had a lot of common words 6k didn't (and should have) include(d).
>>139037927
My personal opinion is that if the words are common enough that you'll run into them a lot while reading, then you can just mine them/learn them while reading and have them be a lot easier to learn since you saw them in full context in the compelling content you're reading. After you get into reading I think Core in general is something best left for "rainy days" where you didn't mine enough words.
>>139033957
Did you report like all 300 of them? I got tired after 20 and just did something else. That was a shitshow. I'd imagine it wont' end tomorrow either.
>>139037920
If it's popular enough, someone on one of those forums has probably made a working H code or fix for it, might be worth checking out.
>>139036092
arigato, yo
Has anyone here learned Japanese (or at the very least reach N1 level) without reading?
>>139037705mine is 36.8%, should I quit?
>>139038164
Nope, reason being N1 tests reading.
>>139038227
Are you less than 2 months in? Of course you are. Do your reps, fucker.
>>139038067
it reminds me of the good old accelerator spammer days
though i think reporting probably cant do much so you have to actually get a hold of someone and explain whats going on and hopefully they can do something
>>139038262I'm just under a year and a half in though...
>>139038164
>Has anyone here learned Japanese
No.
In all seriousness though, assuming you just mean getting to that level listening-wise and not in other aspects, this thread pretty much revolves around reading massive amounts of content, so it's a bit unlikely that people like that are even here outside of Fin who got good listening comprehension by watching 10000 hours of anime.
>>139038246
>>139038164
Sorry, I'm dumb for not specifying it; I mean has anyone reached that level without reading manga, VNs, doujins or newspaper occasionally?
>>139038285
Then that's pretty bad. How many new cards are you doing? Hope you didn't fell for the meme.
>>139038302
>I mean has anyone reached that level without reading manga, VNs, doujins or newspaper occasionally?
That clarification doesn't help at all
>>139038289
Finny pre-reading study would fail N1 because it's all kanji
>>139038337
50 new cards, then once I'm done (hopefully in the morning) I'll do 50 more if I feel like it.
>>139038348
Yeah that's why I said
>assuming you just mean getting to that level listening-wise and not in other aspects
>>139038381
You fell for the fucking meme.
>>139038028
I see. I'll take the decision once I finish core 2k6k. Although I've already been reading and I do mine words but they're just sitting on a list as I want to finish core 2k6k before adding them otherwise I'll have too many reps a day (I'm already at 500~ reps a day counting all my decks).
>>139038227
I'm the person you replied to. I learned how to write before doing core so I already know all the Kanji and their meanings, if that can make you feel better.
If core is that hard for you look into RTK/KD or even WK.I'm biased towards RTK as the best option out of the three if done correctly, other two suck in my opinion.
>>139038381
How many reps do you even do per day with that shit retention?
>>139038429
I personally just stopped doing new words in Core when I started reading in order to work through my mining deck instead.
>>139038472
By reading I just mean a doujin a day though. That or a manga with short chapters (like 10p / ch). I like my current routine and don't plan on changing.
>>139038521
>a doujin a day
Do doujins really use that much dialog though? Most I've read tend to have a handful of pages with dialog at most, followed by onamatapia, yesyesyes/nonono and detailed descriptions of what they are doing, e.g. "I'm sliding my cock in and out of your dripping birthing hole"
Is the /int/ Jap guide any good?
>>139038627
>"I'm sliding my cock in and out of your dripping birthing hole"
Hi Erika Mitchell
>>139038627
No him (I'm the guy he's responding to though), but you'd be surprised. Some fetishes require a lot of dialogue to set up and execute well. If he's that early on vocab-wise he probably still has to look up a fair amount. Probably not nearly as much as he'd have to look up in your typical moege, but still enough.
Ideally, how many words should I try to mine each day at least?
>>139038761
As much as new cards you do.
>>139038627
Depends, honestly some do. More than anything doujins are fun and relaxing to read for me, there's no pressure, if you get what I mean. I know how important getting oneself to read is so doujins are a good compromise to me (until I'm done with core 2k6k and start reading VNs that is).
One of my favorites : http://exhentai.org/g/462331/537888e5aa/
Can I use an い adjective to modify a noun in a noun phrase? Like, 楽しいゲーム? Or can I only use な and の adjectives this way?
Hanachirasu definitely isn't easy but I really just get the impression that if kept reading random shit I'd accumulate the vast majority of vocabulary by circumstance
>>139038858
He wasn't disagreeing with you, he just said it would take a very very long time.
>>139038934
Well, I mean, in a shorter time frame of course. 10 years? No way.
>>139038429
>I learned how to write before doing core so I already know all the Kanji and their meanings
So you haven't finished core 6k, but you've finished RTK1 right? How many unseen cards left do you have?
Just read the whole RTK2, if you bingeread, it will take you 3 days or less. Then just start reading, why wait.
If you want to finish Core 6k then it's all good too. Since you've finished RTK, I'd give you an opinion here. You already have the general idea of kanji meanings in your head, because most kanji are 形成文字, most 熟語 you'll find, you can break down to what you've learned from RTK1. Read 2 too if you've finished 1, you're halfway there.
Somebody a couple thread ago asked about 備品. If you've done RTK1, you can parse the word into 備 and 品. You get the idea of what it means. Same with 業界. etc, whatever.
Obv, you'll meet exceptions after exceptions, 当て字 like 寿司 where it doesn't make sense but really, I encourage you to start reading.
You may not even need the Core 6k (if, after) you actually finish RTK2, and can just make your own mined deck.
Most kanji are 形声文字 and you'd be able to recognize 象形文字 as well if you've finished RTK1. You can read on-yomi when you've finished RTK2.
After that you just have to deal with exceptions and repetitions.
I'm not really into RTK1 because the book doesn't teach kanji together with on-yomi and words like most books. But if you've done RTK1, start reading while doing RTK2. You might be in for a surprise in regards to how you use Anki moving forward.
>>139038285
How haven't you completed core already if you're doing 50 new cards a day?
>>139038458
OK think of it as a percentage. If you retain 80% of cards. The more card you do you will learn and retain more. And the more you know the easier retention gets. That's not to say do a crazy amount just to try and get in new words. If that's the case just do actual reading and look up words.
>>139038458
Woops misread your post.
Does anyone here do 100 new words a day? My plan is to blast through core2k in 3 weeks (along with Tae Kim and a Tae Kim deck) and then dive into reading once I've hit 2k words.
Has anyone else gone at this speed?Did you survive the reps?
>>139039010
If all you read in those 10 years is moege level stuff then I don't think it's far off. There's a few words that I can remember seeing in Muramasa and never seeing since (and it's been a few years since I've read it)
薨去
寂滅為楽
元寇
plus of course all the kendou terms and technical shit used to describe the fights in excruciating detail
>>139039091
>Somebody a couple thread ago asked about 備品
Yeah that was me top kek. Don't worry I'm never going to forget that word now.
>Just read the whole RTK2
I tried to but it just felt too meh to me, I'd rather figure things out by myself by getting used to how Kanji are read through core and through context rather than brute-forcing readings per Kanji. Everything is going well for me at the moment so there is nothing to fix really.
Thanks for the advice anyway.
>>139039369
>a few words
That's the thing, it'd be a few words in an entire novel, not a big deal.
The fight I read in the prologue was not that hard I think (i.e. not God Level Impossible), most of the terms were easy to understand in context.
>>139039331
Why would you do this?
>>139039331
Is that your plan to burnout in less than three weeks?
>>139039331
Core2k is also 1,000 kanji. Do you plan on learning 50 some kanji a day?
>>139039331
You're better off doing 2000 words in a single day, so you won't have to deal with reps the next day.
>>139039544
>>139039566
I want to get into reading as soon as possible but if I'm looking up veery word it's not really reading is it, more like solving a puzzle.
>>139039604
I was just going to learn through vocab and not the kanji directly
>>139039639
If I did that I'd have well over 1k reps the next day, what are you talking about?
>>139039679
>I was just going to learn through vocab and not the kanji directly
水 - みず - water
You'll be learning 50 kanji a day m8 you will fail.
>>139039679
>If I did that I'd have well over 1k reps the next day, what are you talking about?
Press easy, ye dummy.
>>139039679
Get a text hooker
You can learn vocab while reading and since you're (hopefully) reading stuff you're interested in it'll stick better.
>>139039679
This is a terrible idea. Don't rush it, learning Japanese takes time and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>139039720
>water offered to wrestlers just prior to a bout;
lel
Is there any difference between 髪 and 髪の毛? If not, is one more formal than the other?
>>139039984
>having to mouse over 水
That's the real lel here
>>139040037
>not mousing over everything
top kek
>>139040090
Indeed, why bother learning japanese? If you spend enough time doing so, you can figure out the meaning of any phrase using google and dictionaries, no matter the language.
There is nothing wrong with relying on crutches, right? :^)
>>139039372
RTK2 is good in the sense that it's easier to just remember that 較 is カク while the rest of 校 variants is コウ, and so on.
If you don't like it, it is what it is. I'm not that into RTK1 either. Well, I wish you'd finish Core6k soon so you can read more materials soon.
>>139039331
Why don't you just use the browse feature if reading the day after tomorrow is your goal. Just browse the 2000 words daily for 3 weeks over and over and then start reading.
Whatever you decide to do, finish a grammar book first. If you don't understand basic grammar, you can't read.
Tae Kim's Basic Grammar section is very concise, way too concise to be a sole grammar learning material. Tae Kim himself stated that it's meant to be used as a supplement.
3 weeks blasting through Tae Kim is possible, and if you want to read all of Core2k right this hour, you can just use the browse feature instead of properly doing Anki.
You either naive, trolling, or a really ambitious, determined guy. I sort of want to see how far you will be in that 3 weeks point from today.
>>139040037
>having to
Projecting here m8 ?
Is there a way to just forget your native language? I feel like that would help me.
>>139040249
Ah, a true idiot. Curiosity is bad, and staying shut in you current knowledge without questioning yourself is the true strength!
I was warned for reporting the spammer from the other thread.
>>139039744
>Press easy, ye dummy.
Do you guys do this often? Myself I only press easy if I get it instantly or near enough instantly, if it takes me over 10 seconds I press the middle one rather than easy.
Am I being too harsh on myself? Should I be pressing easy more?
>>139040309
>I wish you'd finish Core6k soon so you can read more materials soon.
I understand what you're trying to say and I appreciate it. I suppose it wouldn't hurt trying to read through RTK2 at least once so I'll do that the next couple days and see how it goes. Worst case scenario I'll at least have an opinion on the book.
I'm already halfway through core2k6k by the way, and I do read things like I said, doujins or song lyrics, and even if it's not much I'm liking my current schedule. I also have other hobbies on the side (art) so it's not like I wish to fully devote myself to Japanese either. It's true if I just wanted to get better there would be faster ways for me to improve, I'm conscious of this.
Thanks again for trying to help.
>>139040486
I use easy if I can read it, if I can't I just press good.
Assuming we are talking about new cards, though.
>>139040556
You press good when you can't read a card? When do you ever use bad then?
>>139040602
They don't even filter by IP?
>>139040631
That came out wrong, I meant to say I press bad, then when I can read it, I press good.
>>139040646
>expecting mods to pay that much attention
I was asleep when that shit show took place, so it's also possible he was autistic enough to use several IPs for posting those like he did with spamming new threads.
>>139040701
Naw, his posts were relegated to 60 seconds apart.
>>139040631
read the manual.
Again is if you get it wrong
Hard is if you made a good guess (you weren't sure with yourself) but got it right
Good is if you recalled it
Easy is if you recalled studying it instead of recalled the character itself. Basically if it came as quickly as reading an english character was.
Good is supposed to be used 90% of the time, its what the algorithm is based on.
>>139040701
I would hope that the mods would be smart enough to look somewhat more into whats going on if there are several legitimate looking posts reported by several different users in the same thread, but I guess the mods aren't that smart
>>139039369
Do you add stuff like this to your mining deck?
>>139040396
one day youll wake up, hop out of bed, fling open the curtains and go お日様おはよう～ 今朝もかわいいですにゃ and then 変身 into your 制服 and run off to 学校 with トースト hangin out your 口
just keeping doing flash cards or whatever
>>139040779
Good, thought I'd been doing it wrong all thesedays
>>139040923
Literacy ain't free, the tree of Japanese gotta be littered with the cries from my soul while reviewing shit like >>139034935
>>139040396
Being a NEET helps, all my english interactions are with 4chan and the government (although Im looking into requesting japanese workers when getting my assistance). My parents won't talk to me anymore because I only ever talk in japanese. Ive started to dream in japanese too.
>>139040749
>>139040911
Either way, banning him does nothing because he'll just ban evade like he did before. It's not really gonna stop until he gets bored and fucks off or the mods give him a definitive answer. I doubt that answer would be to ban DJT considering how much he's kicking, screaming, and breaking rules over it. Banning DJT would just be showing people that you can always get your way as long as you ban evade and cause enough noise and problems for them.
>>139040517
Like I said in that thread, it's about the general idea of RTK2. I don't know what your hesitation about RTK2 rooted from, but I don't do 組 祖 狙 阻 is read ソ, 交 校 効 is コウ but 較 is カク.
I just get the general idea that 組 all reads the same while 交 has exception and the exception is 較 and so on. I don't even finish the book, mind you I use it as a cheat sheet once every new moon or so.
What I do is read, find the words 交通 学校 効力 組織 祖先 狙撃 阻止 from reading and then eventually I begin getting used to it.
Remembering on-yomi one by one without context is not something I can do very well. It's just easier to remember 超 is チョウ from reading、and the rest will be read as ショウ from 紹介. I can't even recall how many 召 kanji there is, other than that it's 5 or more.
I just know know it's all read ショウ other than 超, based on 紹介 and it makes my study easier.
>>139041086
Even if the mods gave a definitive answer he wouldn't stop. He would just accuse them of being bad mods going against the 4chan way.
>>139040923
>薨去
new unique kanji, no brainer to add
>元寇
new unique kanji, no brainer to add
>寂滅為楽
kinda cool word, yojijukugo cred so add
>>139034935
useless shit
At the point where one knows all the most common words in the language, where one has grammar mostly down pat, I think its at that point wherein language learning becomes the most difficult to really nail down, it becomes gorilla warfare, it's a transition from a honest head-on battle whererin any reading material is a worthy opponent to a war wherein every unknown word has to be chased down and slain, wherein one forgets more words than they encounter new, wherein classical Japanese rears its ugly head and cannot be ignored... it is within this gorilla warfare that the spirit of a Japanese learner is truly tested as they must expend their seething youth in labor for fluency through sheer exposure with nary a smile to be had as the relentless march towards native level continues unending into the murky twilight of upper-intermediate lower-advanced Japanese proficiency.
>>139041086
If you got warned, you could join irc.rizon.net #4chan and msg a mod. They mostly talk to eachother. Just mostly.
>>139041137
This sounds like a really smart way to prep for readings actually. I think RTK2 is stupid because memorizing all the readings is stupid, but just learning the phonetic components and noting which kanji are exceptions sounds fairly worthwhile. The info could probably be written down on a couple pages though instead of having to read through all or RTK2 to get at it.
>>139041176
Except all you have to do is chill and read/listen to compelling content, putting just a little bit of thought into ensuring that the material is appropriately challenging and that you aren't being too narrow genrewise or ignoring listening or something.
>>139041366
I dont want to hear comments from lower-intermediates
>>139041443
same
>>139041443
nice shitpost
So, I finally got around to putting those last touches on the guide and finishing things up.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8lw5gnep7B_uZAbHLfZPWxJlzpykP5H901y6xEYVsk/edit?usp=sharing
It's a more compact version of the old guide, with a more extensive section regarding the various methods to learn Kanji. The resources have been moved to a separate document.
I also added some things to the FAQ and misc sections, so please take a look at those.
Please let me know what you think.
Unless there's some kind of overwhelming disapproval, I'll be replacing the current guide with this new version sometime in the next few days.
Happy learning.
>>139041615
I thought you were dead
>>139041615
Man, you need to stop trying to shit on WaniKani.
>>139041176
>implying I'm going to continue to better my knowledge when I have access to an unlimited amount of moege
I'm a little afraid honestly. Once I get to a point where I can comfortably read moege, it's going to be hard to find the motivation to not just sink into my comfy little bubble and never learn challanging words again.
>>139041626
I don't die so easily, I'm just a lazy shit that's really bad at keeping up with deadlines I set for myself.
>>139041680
Sorry, that's not happening.
>>139041693
Moege expert here. As long as you don't straight up start skipping words/lines you don't understand in moege you'll be fine.
>>139041693
Don't you wanna read all of that chuunige?
>>139041615
>Why are you so biased towards WaniKani?
Didn't you mean "biased against"?
>>139041822
I'm not an edgy faggot, so no thanks
>>139041867
Fair enough.
>>139041867
Don't you want to deito Belt-tan?
>>139041854
Sure did, thanks for the correction.
>>139041737
>Sorry, that's not happening.
Then we're going to have a big fight, you and I.
How to fix Japanese:
>Remove kanji
>invent more words for non unique words with different meaning
So if Hirgana are just cursive forms of Kanji, when I decide to write some Kanji down on paper for Japanese people, how do I know which Hiragana to choose for my cursive writing?
>>139041988
>How to fix Japanese:
>Make it English instead
>>139041981
Bring it on, you flabbergasting whippersnappy cutie-pie.
>>139034719
>wa
smhtbhfam
>>139041615
The Anki startup guide link was recently changed. Check the OP for the new link.
Hey guys how do you say something's an "acquired taste" or something similar in Japanese?
>>139041366
He divided the book into chapters. Those with same readings, those with only 1 exceptions, those with exceptions, and several other chapters. You can't write down just the exception because there are other chapters too.
But the gist is I don't try to remember on-yomi one by one, but making myself aware of the idea that there are some patterns to kanji and it's readings. Even if for a sizeable chunk of kanji, the pattern is seemingly having no pattern and the way is just to memorize them by exposures.
Like I said, cheat sheet.
>>139042249
Gotcha, thanks.
>>139041137
Yeah but I can already do these things automatically with core, honestly. I'm already aware of the logic behind of all the stuff you mentioned.
>>139042315
もえげわうんちね？
>>139041615
May I ask your opinion on WK? I'd just like to hear it.
I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, myself I don't really like WK either, and I did look into it.
>>139042503
It'd be pretty great if they weren't charging money for it.
>>139042609
No it fucking wouldn't you rotten piece of shit
>>139042609
The money is not the issue (though it is pretty shitty), the pacing and lack of customization is. Even if it were free I'm positive we still wouldn't recommend it.
>>139042503
Even if it didn't cost money, you should be using better material through instead. Download the Kangxi radicals deck, add 60 cards a week (yes you can, radicals are that easy). Where you go from there is up to you. You can either pick up the lazy learner's guide, which has everything you even might need, or branch out into kanji and vocab decks and research rtk and stuff.
>>139042677
>Download the Kangxi radicals deck, add 60 cards a week (yes you can, radicals are that easy).
>>139042708
I assume he meant per day. If that's not what you're referring to, what's the issue here?
>>139042774
Yeah, I meant per day, sorry.
>>139042708
I said "week" because I was thinking about how that gets you through them in a week.
>>139042774
60 cards a week isn't divisible into 7 days, and 60 cards a day would be way too fast, so it's just bizarre advice in general, so its bizarre either way
>>139042852
This >>139042816
Plus he said that radicals ARE that easy, which, to be fair, they kind of are unless you're trying to do keyword -> radical (producing them from memory) or something, which that deck isn't. You could bump it down to 40 a day and it'd still be about a week. They aren't nearly as hard as vocab or kanji.
>>139042438
Wat
How the fuck do you guys take translating doujins? I've fapped like 50 times in the past 4 days
