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>>135638221
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
There are so many things about playing football that seem to me uniquely American. Anybody can succeed, anybody can play, but you've got to work hard to do it.
Is it even possible for a Japanese anime girl to eat something and NOT squeal "おいしい！！！"? Or in this case, おぃっし～！ I mean, are there not other words that convey that foot tastes good? I can't take this.
>>135669070
Did you mean おいっふぃい?
Was Tamako's calligraphy really better than Miwa's?
What exactly should I be testing myself on with radical decks?
>>135669164
You just want to be able to recognize them in kanji. Like, you see 課 and then "ah yeah that's 田 言 and 木". So, you should be testing to see if you recognize them. A convinenent way to do this is the "english meaning", really anything on the back that confirms you recognized what's on the front.
>>135669132
Miwa's looks off balance vertically
Keep it in your stupid minds! If you're older than 6 you will never totally learn japanese! Just quit daydreaming!
>分からなくない
This is the first time I've seen a double negative used like this to mean a positive
>>135669132
Yeah. Miwa's is quite good, but there are a number of minor mistakes.
>>135669327
Is it called "shota" because it was invented in the Showa era?
>>135669327
im sure that must feel really good getting a bit of plastic sucked
>>135669415
Is that a serious question?
>>135669415
正太郎コン
Learning Japanese done can not.
When will kanji get official 英読み?
I've been learning English for 2 years now and are contemplating about dropping it on behalf of the japanese language. Should I really do this or had better work on my English further? I'm a Russian guy of 25 by the way thus feel that i'm getting old enough to be late for that
>>135669595
>25 by the way thus feel that i'm getting old enough to be late for that
>25 too old meme
>not a new IP
You had me up until that point though. You should've at least made it your first post in the thread to make it more believable.
>>135669595
Only you know the answer to that
>>135669576
tsumanseru??
>>135669595
Keep posting on 4chan and you will learn English
>>135669576
Can you pirate vita games? I want to buy a Japanese game but I'm afraid I might waste money because it's too difficult for me to read and it'll just sit on the shelf.
>>135669595
English is the only language you truly need. Besides, age does not prevent you from learning a language.
>>135669423
Anon you don't get it at all
>>135669070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBoFaYtjCFc&feature=youtu.be&t=10m36s
>>135669786
Not as far as I know, I took the picture of my actual vita. Though I think there is work in progress for hacking the vita, there's probably something on /vg/ for it.
>>135669793
Is 全然 hard for beginners or something?
>>135669707
Two man cell.
>>135669707
2-man cell.
>>135669789
But my parents were laughing at me when i did say to them that. They said that i'm a ridiculous dreamer. people learn languages from very early age likewise 9 or 10
>>135669907
Why would you think that?
>>135669969
Your parents are russian. You can disregard everything they say.
>>135669595
You can do both. Your English is clearly advanced enough that you don't have to devote so much time to it anyway. Just keep shitposting on 4chan and maybe reading some books in English. Don't give up.
>>135669970
>just a picture posted
>zenzen.jpg
>>135670067
You read too deeply into it.
Is it worth self-beheading if I didn't start out learning English in my childhood and instead did it 2 years ago, to wit when i was 23? I gather that all i can do is to forget about taking japanese courses or living in japan even after 10-16 years of practice
>>135669969
Nah, that's bollocks. Adults can learn new languages just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_WvOtyBCgU
Just look at this old cunt who has learned at least 12 of them.
aaaa
dameda
zenzendameda.
>>135670306
Cool false flag, nerd.
>>135670306
I always knew Russians were kind of rude, but geez.
>>135669857
How difficult is Tokyo Xanadu so far then? Is there a lot of jargon and memes that make it hard to understand?
>typical adult learners
>immigrants
>take snail paced classes, with all of their counter-intuitive methods
>go home, watch TV in their native tongue, read books in their native tongue, speak their native tongue with their fellow immigrant friends and family
>work in environments that are friendly towards their native tongue
>four hours per week in class + homework is literally all that they do to learn the language
>typical child learners
>spend all day at school
>surrounded by native speakers of the new language all the time
>more hours of the day than not involve the new language being pounded into them
The true source of the "25 is too old" myth.
>>135668852
Got to work a lot harder to make it into the professional level in real football, which is played on a world stage. Uniquely American, what a load of shit.
>>135669326
>Searching for posts with the filename ‘1429592990324.png’. 23 results found.
>Searching for posts with the image hash ‘NWMq1iF699V4d1LFLxU/DQ==’. 27 results found.
>>135670665
I like the image. What's your point?
>>135670115
So it's just another pointless meme in a thread with already established cancerous meme posters who won't fuck off?
Awesome.
Thanks for the contribution sperg.
>>135670689
you're a fucking loser who spends all his time on 4chan jacking it to anime girls, what do you think I'm trying to say?
>>135670746
How new are you?
>>135670747
I already knew that.
>>135670532
couple of years. You're not even half dead yet, stop caring about age.
>>135670747
>he doesn't frequently jack it to anime girls
Get out of /a/
>>135670782
console him yeah
>>135670532
>32 year old
That's nothi-
>Ukranian
Don't even bother starting.
Just bought Read Real Japanese
>>135670927
But if I already know how to speak Ukrainian and Russian either which are the hardest and richest languages in the world and still i havent seen anybody who could say the least in those ones. And you go on saying dont fucking bother? are you serious???
>>135671006
I'm sorry, I was purposely trying to agitate you and you walked right into it.
Lets forget about it and keep the thread going.
>>135671006
You already know the best languages, so go away and leave us alone here.
>>135669070
>foot tastes good
うまい is also used fairly often.
>>135671032
Then i was trolling on purpose trololo lalalala))))cuck
>>135669070
>girl eats something
>"惜しい”
What did she mean by this?
>>135671052
does it hurt too much? xDDD
>>135671006
Russian and Ukrainian are only level IV languages.
Level V would be Arabic, Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese and Korean
>>135671006
>I already know how to speak Ukrainian and Russian either which are the hardest and richest languages in the world
Kill yourself.
>>135670559
This, kinda. In my country English is mandatory for everybody during all of what would in Japanese terms be elementary, middle and high school, and yet 90% of people are completely helpless with English. This is partly because the education system itself is shit, but it's mainly because they're only pushed to understand/speak English during classes or when doing homework, which is no different from the situation most failed adult learners go through. Heck I went through the same thing "trying" to learn German. People just don't study and expose themselves enough.
>replying to obvious shitposting instead of reporting and ignoring
Come on guys
>>135671133
That your dick is not adequate.
>>135671188
That classification is meant as a reference for native English speakers. It doesn't serve as an objective parameter to judge which languages are the hardest ones in the world, if such a thing could or should even be defined.
Language Perfect > Anki
>>135670348
Not really any memes, but there is definitely some slang speech. There's also not really any furigana though, unless it's some special name like 2 man cell.
I understand most of the words, but at the same time I don't do anki so I'm not sure how the vocabulary presented rates in terms of difficulty. I don't think the game is too difficult as long as you know everyday language.
>>135671006
Russian maybe, Ukrainian is a fake language made up by nationalists in the 19th century.
>>135671403
May i disagree with such an absurd statement? First of all I think that you're wrong because it's just ridiculous and pitiful. You really better watch yourself before doing something again
How are you?
>>135671771
I'm fine thank you.
>>135670747
You're an even bigger loser if you fap to 3dpd.
>>135671771
お里が知れた！
>>135671788
>2015
>Not fopping to #PDP
WHY IS THIS FUCKING LANGUAGE SO DIFFICULT TO LEARN? WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE DIFFERENT WORDS FOR COUNTING THINGS? WHO CAME UP WITH ALL THIS BULLSHIT?
れええええええええええええええええええええええ
>>135671872
>れええ
りいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいはほうが妥当んじゃないか?
I'm literally keking right now.
>>135671771
元気 で す。
>>135671872
Nice post there, friend. Thanks for adding to the pile of extremely low quality retarded frogposts.
I wonder if there's a comprehensive list of frog image MD5s so I don't have to manually filter each one that pops up.
>>135671872
>give me attention: the post
>>135672007
I can help you a little making that list, friend.
From the linguistic point of view, English was and still remains being the most retarded language due to its fixed word order, lack of genders and adequate diminutives not only for nouns but also for adjectives as well as for verbs. Having said that I venture to assume that there is some sneaky sly agenda all across the world. Dirty naughty kikes want to see people from other cultures getting retarded by using English on a regular basis in lieu of their own.
>>135672206
What does this have to do with learning Japanese?
>>135672250
The cultural marxist agenda has everything to do with japanese.
>>>135672140
>>>135672206
Nice deleted post, fried. Everyone sees your mistake.
>>135672250
>>135672275
Stop being crybabies.
keking irl atm
>>135672345
Why are you posting it twice?
DEKINAI
>>135672348
Reported.
>>135672275
>>135672345
Nice delete post friend. Everyone sees you posting it twice.
>>135669070
凶暴な旨味でしたね
>>135672396
Fuck off, I can do it. Don't try to infect me with your negativity.
>>135672345
>>135672275
Oh the irony.
>>135672403
Reported.
>>135672514
>>>/reddit/
>>135672520
Reported.
>>135671495
look man ever since you posted that ive been trying to decipher what the FUCK youre saying but i cant do it anymore
>>135672565
Reported.
I can't wait until God-Emperor Trump assumes the throne and builds a Firewall to keep ESLs out of /djt/.
>>135672606
Stinky! Stinky!
What is going on right now? Is this an [s4s] raid?
私は肛門にレモンジュースを入れている。
I wish someone would make a list for kanji that are only seen in a single common word and outside of that are never mentioned except for the sake of looking sophisticated.
>>135672679
still can feel that mental pain, reported
>>135672679
ESLS OUT! REEEEEEEE
>>135672777
Nice trips.
>>135672729
気持ちいいの、それ？
>>135672777
Obey the trip god.
>>135672206
Genders are the worst thing ever invented in languages and anyone who uses them deserves ISIS rule. Literally adding an entire new thing to learn for every noun and gaining absolutely nothing.
>>135672729
そんなの!神様の聖域を犯す人が神罰を呼びませんか？
>>135672893
>deserves ISIS rule
>deserves rule by pious men who punish degenerates and enforce God's holy laws
Rule by ISIS? A punishment?
>>135672893
Every noun has its own grade of affection. That is what makes it so sensitive unlike that cold English.
>>135673016
>believing in a magical space fairy
Is it just me or is this place worse than usual today? I mean, it's already been worse than usual lately, but today it's almost like I'm on /b/ or /s4s/ or /pol/ or something.equally shitty.
Am I in the right thread right now?
>>135672777
And what, if I may ask, would you do with such a list.
>>135670961
Help me make this ugly frog girl a meme.
>>135673232
sometimes when posters get uppity about their spooks like tumblr and reddit they experience an overwhelming need to shitpost in order to prove that they're 'true 4channers' unlike everyone else talking about the thread topic. This last year it's been particularly strong due to hot topic shit like GG, censorship and /pol/ raids calling in tumblrites like a fly to an electric swatter.
>>135673292
probably print it out and cum on it, I don't know.
>2,888 kanji
>>135673232
Just close the tab, I popped in here to brag about my kanji and now I'm going to close the tab
>>135673232
>>135673236
This is what you'd call cultural Marxism.
By ridiculing the customs we hold dear, they hope to turn this place into a second Reddit hugbox.
45 year-old japanese here. How should i start out learning English language from the very scratch? Do I have to learn Latin alphabet first or grammar and all the rest i'll finish thereafter?
>>135673475
But now you won't get to hear people lavish you with praise.
>>135673475
>more than 100 kanji ahead of me
べ、別に、羨ましくなんかないんだからね
>>135673416
It's pretty much just a couple people shitposting. I guess they finally realised they can't learn Japanese and are venting their anger by shitposting
so i heard that i can just skip katakana is that true? its like writing in cursive in english its not necessary?
Word of the day、其ノ貮: 弖爾乎波
マジ勘弁し弖くれよ
>>135673721
Actually you could only learn romadzi.
>>135673721
It's necessary and you'll regret it, but I didn't bother learning all of it for a year and still read most things just fine.
I've requested for Hiro to implement user IDs for DJT because the shitposting has gotten so bad.
>>135673326
No, she's disgusting.
>>135673721
No, whoever told you that is a lazy idiot. Just because they don't appear as often it doesn't mean they don't appear. Any text longer than a paragraph will probably have some katakana in it.
You're already learning over 2000 kanji anyway, what difference are 50 more characters going to make?
>>135673799
Cool idea. Tell him to give DJT a special dekinai background theme too.
>>135673866
You only need 1500 to understand an average novel anyway
>>135670778
>How new are you?
Started posting near the end of 2004. You?
There are things which are worth pointing out every time it happens. This isn't
>/a/ -#YOLO let's shit up the place and not care.
If this site hasn't been completely integrated into Gawker by 2020, I'll still be pointing out the stupidity of shitposts and letting the individual know their action wasn't welcome. Not everyone rolls over like a little bitch, anon.
>>135673721
How is cursive not necessary?
Which one will be easier and better to learn, Chinese or Japanese and why? 29 half-Ukrainian-mixed-with-Russian-ancestor kun.
>>135673866
actually im skipping kanji way too much work and more efficient this way
>>135673910
Where the hell did you get that figure?
>>135673934
>im skipping kanji
You could have told me you only came here to shitpost in your first post, would have saved me some time.
>>135673925
Fuck off.
>>135673997
so basically you're just insecure because someone else's learning methods are different from yours?
>>135673942
Personal experience.
The jouyou list contains many rarely used and/or bogus kanji that you don't need
>>135671234
Reporting doesn't work and if you ignored all shitposting it would be easier to simply not enter the thread.
>>135674054
Here you go.
>>135673799
Most of the shitposters are probably Hiroshima trying to sabotage us anyway.
>>135674069
Maybe you need a bit more experience then. Even if you were lucky enough to find a novel containing only 1500 different kanji in it that doesn't mean knowing 1500 kanji is enough to be a functional reader. There's no guarantee the 1500 kanji in that novel are going to coincide with the ones you know, and even if they do, the ones in the next novel probably won't, and it probably is going to contain way more kanji too, not to mention all of the names and just general 表外漢字 you're going to run into all of the time. If you want to be semi-illiterate go ahead, but anyone aiming for reading fluency should be thinking in terms of 3000+. Unless of course you're satisfied with having to stop to check a dictionary all of the time and/or being bound to content aimed at children or with plenty of furigana.
>>135672893
>Literally adding an entire new thing to learn for every noun and gaining absolutely nothing.
>learn
When did you start to git gud?
>>135674746
Just a bit more and I'll be there, got something like 2300 kanji under my belt.
What's the point in learning the language which i'll never learn afterall in full measure? Why wouldn't i choose instead say german or spanish?
>>135674931
Who drew this?
>>135675019
wrong thread
wrong board
Why's Tae Kim so fucking boring.
Blah blah blah state of being, blah blah blah generic noun, blah blah blah target particle, adverb & whatever the fuck.
Just fuck off, you annoying Korean prick.
>>135675171
>I am dumb
You should try imabi.
S-so this is the power of a sleep schedule
I'm guessing this is a retarded question, but after I learn the kana would it be worth it to try pimsleur as a supplement for vocab? I found a torrent for it and it looks decent.
>>135675446
Anki is better.
>>135675507
I thought the audio parts of the base deck were lost when the copyright shit happened.
>>135675446
Isn't Pimslut just for listening to while you drive or some shit?
>tired as shit but have to read
>boot up game
>words i don't know
>sentences i don't get
>>135675199
You bugger off to /int/ when you can chat with your Korean bum buddies.
>>135675215
>hehehee, you're dumb
Fuck off, you shallow little cunt.
>>135675673
>>135675171
Not me
>>135675596
You thought wrong
>>135675673
>>135675700
おっと、バレたよね、シットポスターさん
>>135675721
That's good to know, thanks.
The audio hurts your overall retention and should be turned off on the Core2k/6k deck.
>>135675819
>the audio hurts your overall retention
What, like it doesn't give you enough time to try and decipher the pronunciation of the kanji on your own or something?
>>135675819
wat?
Nothing on the back of the card does anything to hurt your retention, and if you put the audio on the front for anything but dedicated listening cards you're doing something really wrong
>>135671006
>the hardest and richest languages in the world
lol
>濡れ衣
>抜き差しならぬ
Is there another non-conjugated Japanese word that starts and ends with ぬ?
>>135676109
>抜き差しならぬ
>non-conjugated
Anon...
>>135676364
And I bet the fucker deserved it too.
>>135676109
ヌーヴェルキュイジーヌProtip: You can search for that by typing ぬ*ぬ into the search bar of your favorite dictionary, i.e. jisho.
>>135676364
>having a cat that behaves like enough of a shit to get pinched
My cat just gets stroked all over while lazing around on a bed.
御御御付
>>135676583
My cat rolls in the litter box like a nasty faggot.
>>135676719
>not training your cat to just shit outside
How much of a stupid fucker can you be?
>/a/ - DJT - Pets and Slavs
So how long will I need to study kanji before I can read raws?
>>135676980
Atleast 8001 hours
>>135676447
>Japanese word
>links french word
Thanks anon
>>135676980
You can read my raw dick in your butt kid.
>>135676980
The only time I ever actively studied kanji was in anki, and pic related is my total time in Anki, ergo, assuming you have a similar memory and mindset as me, you will need to study for roughly 450 hours.
This doesn't count reading practice of course which is a big deal but also not something everyone calls "studying" per se
>>135676980
Depends on what you read. With around 2000 kanji you can read most things decently, but some take less and some take more. You can (and should if you plan on taking this seriously) start reading with much less than that really, you'll just have to use the dictionary a lot. Personally I think around 500 kanji is a good enough number to start reading practice.
As for how long it will take to learn that, that's all a matter of how many kanji you can learn a day. People vary from as low as 5 to as high as 60. It's up to you.
>>135677030
My butt can't read dick, it can only speak it.
>>135677266
>having an illiterate butt
How the fuck should I use anki?
it keeps adding shit and i don't even remember the things i did yesterday or two days ago
pls help
>>135677608
Read the manual.
>>135677637
>http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi
i did
>>135677608
You're not "supposed" to remember the things you did yesterday; the cards are still young, and therefore you're still going to forget them. Just keep doing your reviews, you'll remember them eventually.
>>135677676
That's the startup guide, not the manual
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html
I fucking hate 発, it's a non-word that carries no meaning yet you add it to random kanji to create a word that already exists with a tiny change in conjugation.
>>135677698
>eventually
that's pretty scary if you ask me
>>135677742
thanks!
>>135677779
>conjugation
I don't think you know what that word means. Also, what you just described is pretty much how all jukugo is formed. Also, you can't learn Japanese.
>tfw you have to shitpost in djt before you can muster the courage to open anki
>>135677887
I know, I meant connotation but my mind blanked and my fingers kept typing.
Still, fuck that kanji.
>>135669132
珠子のほうが、いいとおもうよ。おにいちゃん
美和はだめ。
>>135677802
Naah. You can't force things into your memory, really. You can make mnemonics to help, but there's not much else you can do except expose yourself to the content a lot until you remember it naturally. Of course, this is why reading is recommended to be done along side anki, but if you're just starting the only other exposure you'll be getting is the Japanese found in grammar guides and example sentences, but that's fine too.
It shouldn't be too long before you get into the groove of anki and find yourself hitting "good" a lot and generally noticing yourself get better. If you stick with it, you WILL start remembering stuff.
Also, there are three settings you should change that will help you a LOT.
- Go to the deck options and change review limit to 9999: you do NOT want a review limit of 100
- Change steps from 1 10 to 1 10 30 or 1 10 10
- Go to tools -> preferences and change Learn Ahead Limit to 0
>>135677526
I got kicked out of the library when I tried teaching it to read.
>>135678034
thanks for the tips!
>>135677091
>>135677227
Sounds good, thanks.
>>135678189
Hnnnng dat fucking Misaki voice in the upper beginner JPod101 lessons
かわいすぎる
>>135675171
rude af desu
girls have feelings too
Is my shit penmanship gonna affect my retention of the kana?
>>135678345
tae is not a girl.
Does anyone here use Habitica (it was called HabitRPG in the past)?
>>135677698
For me they just get thrown into the leech pit most of the time.
>>135678034
The last number literally doesn't matter. It's going to show you the cards again when you finish cycling through them.
>>135678345
>tae kim
>girl
>>135670578
Yeah, soccer does take some great acting skills, to be fair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC-H2wXK4T4
>accidentally write in hiragana for half a lecture without noticing.
I can't even read this shit.
>>135678666
Not really, if you put the last step too low you might see and "complete" it before you're done with the rest of the deck, and if you put it too high anki will (by default, can be changed in the preferences under "learn ahead limit") force you to wait until you're within a set number of minutes (30min by default, I think) of the cards due time.
I like to put it to something high like 30 or 60 and set the anki learn ahead limit to anything above that, so you have to "level up" all your cards for today to the final step before you cycle through them all again. This ensures you don't forget a card you got right a few times at the start of your study sessions once you're nearing the end of the session.
>kanji looks different when stroked vs computerized
FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
what do I follow?
how long do you use anki?
I know it depends on how you answer, but generally speaking how long is a session?
>>135679179
Neither, because writing kanji is a waste of time.
>>135679179
Computer. That's all you'll be seeing.
>>135679220
Suck my dick weak willed faggot.
What's a good RTK deck? I looked at the Nihongoshark one at ankiweb but it seems cluttered as fuck with useless shit.
>>135679179
Learn both, faggot
>>135679179
How often do you think you'll be seeing stroked kanji?
Girls will be girls no matter what culture
>>135679318
what does it say?
Which is correct
>Qual é o seu nome?
>Qual o seu nome?
>>135679366
>>135679421
Former one
>>135679366
YOU'RE A HUNDRED LIGHT YEARS TOO EARLY!!!
>>135679458
Thanks! And what about the 馴れ馴れしくするんて part?
>>135679458
What's wrong with that?
Doing Core. These 表 words are all fucking my shit up, I tell you hwat.
>>135676980
forever, if you don't actually study vocab and grammar too
>>135679554
>you're a
>you are a
>>135679554
At times like this I regret not saving reaction images
>>135679421
>>>/DPT/
>>135679185
20 minutes for 400 recognition cards
What the fuck is the difference between 馴れる and 慣れる?
>>135679443
>>135680132
how do you know exactly how much kanji you know?
Saw this line in the Yotsuba pack:
>どうもご迷惑おかけしまして申し訳ありません
What does the おかけしまして mean here? I get the rest.
>>135679185
Going fast it's ~100 card reviews every 10-12 minutes. I like to listen to the audio sentences on the answer side.
Learning new cards.... well, that's a whole lot longer.
>>135680482
迷惑を掛ける
>>135680482
おかげさまで元気です。
>>135680538
Thank you. I was having no luck looking it up with kana only.
>>135680228
Yeah, no. Let's make it canon again.
>>135680595
喜ぶわ
