Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt
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>>135613745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Mormons are an extraordinarily educated and professional population. They have all these virtues: They work hard, don't skip school, have no scandals. Consequently, you find them in a lot of consequential places.
Superior guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZMvUMwWe1JwwCDr3KTHrqmf3ridrI8A-AZue3TxGMX0/pub
>>135638292
why?
baka
At what point should I start trying production? I can read semi-okay, so thinking of maybe jumping in to an online group that speaks Japanese.
>>135638407
When you can understand what people are saying.
>>135638407
Go for it. They'll kick you out if you insult them with your gaijin bullshit, though.
>>135638404
>>135638407
Dunno, i found a big group and became a part of them, turns out they love foreigners that can speak a little bit Japanese. excellent to practice.
Which one is the better textbook: Genki or Minna No Nihongo?
Posting the superior version of japanese the manga way! Just as good and it is up to a quarter the price!
>>135638579
>implying it's not just 建前
They probably talk about how annoying you are when you aren't there
>>135638404
Stop it. I can't learn.
>>135638629
Shut up faggot if you don't already know japanese leave.
>>135638629
Stick with wanikani for a year and you'll be able to read
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRBqsJNxMfk
from the previous thread:
>>135637685
>>135638629
I prefer Genki, it is easy to use and reasonably priced. It is also good because its not a hardback and you can strip the binding and put the entire thing in a ring binder for easy copying on a printer.
>>135638510
>>135638579
It probably depends on the community, just like with English. A group full of high strung, tunnel-visioned autists is going to be closed to outsiders and extremely judgmental, no matter what language they speak. The Japanese are no exception.
Of course, if you haven't wrapped your head around basic communication in Japanese yet, even the warmest communities will find you a bit annoying, or at least will figure that they can't really hold a pleasant conversation with you as you are. You should probably head to Lang8 instead.
>>135638794
Why don't I just download it?
>>135638866
That works too, I prefer dead tree books. I dont know why but it seems easier for me to work with them.
>>135638363
They even used the imabi site→pdf conversion and DoJG pdf and Anki deck CoR-kun put together. That is kind of cool, knowing that good things have rippled out from this thread. They even have a direct link to the CoR. Small world.
Kind of wish I had editing access so I could leave them a message at the top of each sheet for cross site meta shitposting.
>>135638950
What's CoR?
>>135639008
You never clicked the link in the OP? You've missed a lot
ENJOY
COMPELLING
CONTENT
>>135638855
i'm perfectly capable of holding a conversation in Japanese, and Lang 8 is a good resource as well for people to go over your texts.
>>135639108
But what does it stand for?
>>135639207
Cornucopia of Resources
>>135638665
Hmm, i really doubt it. not going to go into further details,
>>135639008
>>135639207
>>135639313
I can learn Japanese.
How's the new guide going, guide-anon?
>>135639450
already made redundant by >>135638363
私たちは私たちを助けようとしたんです
戦場で出会ったあなたたちも
なにかを守ろうとしていたのだろうか
全ての戦場の詩
>>135639486
Can't tell if sarcasm
>>135638221
Can we talk about adventures in raw video games and anime here? Or are we strictly education?
>>135639526
It wasn't, actually. That guide really isn't bad at all
>>135639570
Nothing in this thread is either strict or educational.
Please post what you want to share.
>>135639571
Any guide that lists wanikani as an option is by default bad.
>>135639571
I would agree if it were shorter, better-written, and didn't put wanikani at the same level as the input method.
>>135639609
Quite the opposite, shitposter-kun.
>>135639641
Kill yourself.
>>135638363
>Why It Might Be a Good Idea To Avoid Remembering the Kanji
>Wanikani Route
Idiot or shill.
>>135639601
I'm just curious to know if anybody has tried playing some games that never made it over here. I've been playing some Nendroid bullshit on the PSP and it's really easy to read.
>>135639631
>and didn't put wanikani at the same level as the input method.
It doesn't. It lists Wanikani as "try the other options first...if you really can't handle that, try WaniKani". It doesn't say it's superior and it doesn't even put it on the same level. WaniKani is listed as an alternative for those too stupid to handle the rest
>>135639526
That guide could be used as a base and tailored to /a/ more and visual novels less, with the personal commentaries on RTK and the like taken out. The general layout works as a far superior template for what we already have though they both suffer from one key issue: the author using it a bit as an editorial piece instead of just laying out the different approaches with a brief explanation.
>>135638363
After seeing http://a.pomf.cat/njsmqu.mp4 from there, I really want to play Baldr Sky. I think I'm also going to try Furigana Inserter instead of Translation Aggregator.
This guide is kind of interesting because it is aimed specifically at people who want to read VNs. And WK is only recommended to people who are too stupid to read or use Anki. /r/LearnJapanese will never support it.
there is so much beginner japanese resources and nothing for intermediates
eventually its just like "go read a novel and look up all the words you don't know"
>>135639771
I see. I don't disagree with that. But our own guide has its own plusses: it's formatted in a way that can be used to dispel rampant beginner's misinformation, like trying to memorize kun readings apart from their words.
>>135639826
Yes.
>>135639826
>nothing for intermediates
There are a shortlist of N2~N1 kanji, reading, listening and grammar books.
>>135639854
>that can be used to dispel rampant beginner's misinformation, like trying to memorize kun readings apart from their words.
No, that's where the editorial comes in: that's just your opinion on how people ought study. It's obvious bias and people can sniff out biases which can have the complete opposite effect to your initial intention. It would be better to be more general about what is involved with Japanese as a langauge and breaking the key aspects down into resource lists with short explanations. At the end of the day this is still for autodidacts and not something to replace a guide to explain someone through A-Z, like a textbook series.
It could do with a lot more objectivity and less opinion.
>>135639788
How the fuck can he read so fast?
literally indistinguishable
>>135640241
I doubt he is actually reading it
I still find interesting that nips can't pronounce the L letter.
>>135640241
I hope it is just to show how Furigana Inserter and Rikaisama work. No one actually skips voiced lines, right?
Do you find it easy to memorize all the kun and on yomi for a kanji? I was having trouble with it and actually found it easier to learn by how they're pronounced in certain compounds. The dictionary I have just lists some common kanji compounds each character is used it.
oh god ma sides
why do the loanwords make me sensible chuckle til it hurts
>>135640407
Half the retards in the class I took could pronounce らりるれろ so it evens out. Some people have trouble with つ which I really don't get.
>貴官
I swear to Christ Japanese has seemingly infinite words for "you"
This is absurd
>>135640034
Check out my editorialized opinion guys
>>135640496
>http://a.pomf.cat/njsmqu.mp4
The first 4 lines are fast but the rest is standard imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HfAIqT-4Do
>>135640568
I don't get why that's funny?
Learning how to pronounce English with katakana is really fun.
>>135640568
Wait, Katakana words count as vocab?
In that case I must know more than 5000 words
>>135640407
I can't pronounce a rolling R or a proper が (or the name Nguyen, for that matter)
>>135640568
I'm 3 months in and I'm still constantly failing to read about 7 katakana, will it ever get better?
I know you're trying to be neutral, but there is such a thing as a waste of time. If someone's *goal* is to learn kun readings without their meanings, like if they're an academic or something, sure. But learning kun readings in isolation from what the words they're used in mean is just stupid.
It's like learning english word pronunciations without learning what the words mean nor how they're spelled. You might be able to identify them in their own words or even compound words, but because you learned them without a reference point, and there's so much overlap, everything will be jumbled.
Kun readings articulate much more strongly on the general concept of a kanji, and no, typical usage of on readings does not prematurely include the context of kun words. The kun word is tied directly to the kun reading. If you think that saying "Don't learn kun readings in isolation from their words" is impartial, you're just trying so hard to be impartial that it's a problem.
>>135639788
the voice acting is pretty good tbqh.
looks interesting
>>135640565
Memorizing all of the readings for a kanji is not very useful.
Focus on learning words.
Reading Dragon Ball, can someone help me here with a sentence:
カメをおいていけば、 命を助けてやるといってるんだがThe first part is: "If you leave the turtle and go, ", but the second part I'm unable to translate it.
>>135640806
They really do. You should stop thinking of every katakana word as an english word. Many are from other languages (see: people complaining that words like エネルギー or ウイルス are "wrong") and even if they seem to be english words, the japanese might be using them with a completely different meaning (テンション, コンセント, ホーム...).
>>135641116
>コンセント
What's the etymology on this one?
>>135641194
concentric plug
>>135641057
>命を助けてやる
Save your life for you
(te-form + やる = to perform a favor downwards, to someone of a lower standing)
>といってるんだが
Is what I'm saying, but
>>135641231
Cool.
>>135641238
Thanks, anon.
>>135640712
English words in katakana are often the ones that trip me the most. Need to resort to sounding them out and maybe I'll get them after 5-10 goes.
>>135640999
The Japanese readings have a little variety at least.
With the Chinese readings every other fucking word is shi or sho.
>>135641116
Like ビッチ
Literally it's "bitch" but in Japanese it means slut. How many doujins have you come across that have some variation of "bitch girl" in the title?
>>135641514
Oh god, yes. That mistake is everywhere, even in official subs
>>135641514
>>135641579
Even in Rikai-sama!
>(n, derog) bitch
I didn't know symbols could give me a boner until I started learning Japanese.
姦
>>135641372
アイ ウイッシュ アイ ワー ア バード
>>135641514
What's the difference?
Bitch: Unpleasant woman
Slut: Promiscuous woman
>>135641767
No fucking idea what you just said.
>>135641901
>ヒー キャント イントゥ ジャパニーズ イングリッシュ
>>135641998
I wonder if even Japanese can into japanese english.
>>135641901
Google translate's translation of it is hilarious and accurate.
>>135641998
うふふふ～
Actually I'll tell you what's hard to read is old video games that spell everything in katakana. Even if you do figure it out you end up hearing it in your head like the stereotypical robot voice.
I can't remember shit. I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
NON POTESTIS IAPONICAM DISCERE
>>135642117
Of course they can. That's how they learn English. When they first arrive in an English speaking country no matter how much education they have they cannot pronounce things in a way that we can understand until they pick up slang and hear us speak it. That's why they want gaijins to come teach English, so they can get a more hands on approach, not just rote memorization.
>>135640652
Acting like a retard doesn't bolster your position.
>>135642332
Acting like a retard doesn't bolster your position.
>cute girl is the target of bullying
Why does this happen a lot in VNs? There's no way a cute girl could be bullied.
does anyone here use memrise?
>>135640999
>is just stupid.
That is a statement of opinion that doesn't help anyone.
Give them something they can use to assess and make form their own opinions.
DJT doesn't need to be an ideological battleground; leave that shit for reddit.
>>135641816
Bitch: Unpleasant woman (see: Slut)
Slut: Promiscuous woman (see: Bitch)
>>135642513
Which VNs?
How does one subtly tell another person that one knows/is learning Japanese when talking about one's hobbies?
>>135642527
I just recently started using it to avoid my thousands of reviews waiting for me in Anki. It's fine. I mean it's SRS. If you do it you'll learn it.
>>135642900
You don't.
>>135642900
That's so fucking cute I wanna hug her and put my dick in her.
>>135642900
>What are your hobbies?
..., ..., also trying to learn a foreign language
>Oh, foreign language. Which one?
Japanese
Done.
>>135638221
What does anon use to search and handle his manga collection?
I've been using a spreadsheet setup based on a copy of the CoR but I was thinking of maybe using a program with a graphical front end to handle it.
Pic related is the setup. The top part is what it looks like by default, the middle bit is the image which pops up when hovering over the manga title, the bottom image is what pops up when you click on the manga title, using relative hyperlinks to the drive.
I like the way the CoR is spread out and how it can be quickly ordered by name or author or genre, that sort of thing. Are there any programs out there which I can somehow feed it this data and have it automate the handling of the collection?
Sup /djt/
Probably going to face abuse for my situation but we all have to start somewhere, I'm a teacher in Japan, been here for nearly 4 months and my japanese is utter shite. I really want to improve, I know my hiragana and katakana perfectly but my kanji and general speaking is shite.
I've been getting by comfortably, you really dont need the language to survive, but still, I feel bad and really want to get better. I went out with a friend who speaks absolutely nothing at all, so I had to speak, which was manageable but I felt bad. She just refused to learn anything at all and it made me think: is that how people see me?
Any tips for someone of such a low level to start off again? Living in the country to full immersion is possible.
>>135643008
Ditch the gaijin devil and get yourself a native friend.
>>135642900
Maybe show a bit of what you know. I'm sure people will be more impressed to hear that you're learning Japanese than if you simply told them you watch anime. They might find it a weird choice, but most would probably think it's a difficult language to learn.
>reading fantasy manga
>realize the only words I can accurately remember are names of spells and mythological monsters
Why is compelling content so useless?
How does one speak metaphorically in Japanese?
How would I say for example. "Sometimes it feels like work is suffocating me". I imagine they would not use the same words but I'm just curious. Similies I have the hang of but metaphorical speech eludes me.
>>135643210
>Maybe show a bit of what you know.
99.99% of people who aren't learning a language will immediately ask you do "say X/how do you say X/can you speak?" sort of deal. They treat it like a party trick.
>>135642576
There's a huge difference between just saying something is stupid and saying something is stupid and explaining why. My post is an example of explaining why.
Do you think I'm writing the guide or something?
>Give them something they can use to assess and make form their own opinions.
People who don't know japanese cannot be trusted to form their own opinions on topics they don't understand. I spent four years on RTK thinking it would be the foundation of learning japanese. It was useful, but not four years of useful.
This is exactly why recommending wanikani™ as a "route" of learning is stupid. There are people who will simply assume that they're too retarded to use anki because they had bad experiences with flashcards in middleschool or whatever other arbitrary reason. They will "give up" on "hard" things without even trying when they could possibly be construed as "hard".
This is alright. It's just part of being impartial. Don't bolster specific materials.
Laying out routes that specifically cover individual general ideas of how to learn japanese (Reading, production, memorization, kanji study) is one thing, and it's important to be impartial there. However, you do not have to be "impartial" on giving advice on *how* to go about whatever routes there are.
For reading, focusing on VNs instead of manga/LNs can be a good idea if you want speech in the background. For production, producing with gaijins is a shown bad idea because you will reinforce mistakes. For memorization, there is a whole slew of "how anki works for dummies" information that can certainly be formatted into place.
For kanji, there are a million reasons not to learn kun readings in isolation for the sake of learning japanese as a whole. There are very strong arguments for this, and I've given one, and you can find more easily. If you have an argument against this, let it be heard, or else I will only see you as a fool playing devil's advocate for position instead of perspective.
Have you ever stopped new cards for a new days to relearn your review cards? I'm failing so hard I'm thinking about taking a break from new cards so I can get myself in better shape.
I looking at someone else's TL of these terms from a game and I can't shake the feeling they are off.
魔霧は嘲笑う Demonic Fog Ridicule
死せる魔術協会 Imminent Death of the Mage's Association
絢爛なりし蒸気の果て Glorious End of Steam
死せる is causative so it definitely doesn't feel like "Imminent Death"
and 果て to be describes the limits of. I'm not sure how to under なりし myself though.
>Haven't done grammar in three days
Pilly pilly poo poo I made a doo doo!
>>135643345
How many new cards do you do per day?
>>135643298
they just say exactly what they mean and add mitai/youni at the end to mean 'like/ish'
It's really simple, though more complicated poetic methods exist.
What are your thoughts on memrise /djt/
>>135643380
20.
My rate is 32% for today but that's partially due to failing the new cards for hours.
>>135643395
Is mitai like -like, and youni like -ish?
>>135643400
Could be better. Would not recommend. Not inherently flawed.
>>135643008
Learn like anybody else.
Anki to expand vocabulary. Read. Listen.
>How?
OP's guide.
The only big difference between most people here and you is that you need to get good at speaking much faster than they do. You're already listening a lot, so half of the battle is won right there. The other half is to build up that vocabulary, and to work on your pronunciation. Look up speech shadowing. Also, record yourself speaking Japanese, and use that to correct your mistakes. Practice common phrases that you hear a lot by yourself. Then, just let it flow.
>>135643344
>People who don't know japanese cannot be trusted to form their own opinions
You're the Guide-anon, are you? Little wonder it's terrible.
Your ego far outstrips your wisdom.
>>135643424
>My rate is 32% for today
Far in the deck? Might be worth starting over.
>>135643424
Post your whole stats page, filtered for just "today".
>>135643458
>You're the Guide-anon, are you?
I wish. Guide-anon is far too humble to possibly be me.
>>135643424
Eh ... that's too much time for anki. If I don't know it I fail it and hit good next time for 1 day.
>>135643499
I don't know how much that would help. Feels pretty hopeless.
>>135643005
I use shelves.
>>135643600
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR SHITTY COLLECTION.
I will find you.
>>135643504
You aren't ready to teach people because you lack the ability to distinguish between teaching and preaching. Travel a bit and experience the world a little more. Language acquisition is not a political rally.
>>135643450
ありがとうございます
Cheers, any excuse to test out this fancy new japanese keyboard I downloaded!
>>135643630
Mind making an argument? You apparently also don't read my posts:
>Do you think I'm writing the guide or something?
>>135643424
I used to have like 60% retention rate but once I started writing down the kanji and vocab as soon as I saw them my retention never fell below 80. Try that.
>>135643625
I still don't understand why you get so angry about someone having a collection of physical manga. Or whatever it is that makes you so angry.
Though if you do find me, let me know when you're coming over so I can make a cake or something.
>>135643572
>Suspended + Buried: 6
Are they suspended due to the leech settings? If so, change that to tag them only.
At 500 cards in it's easy enough to start over, but not a huge deal. I'd recommend changing your 'Steps (in minutes)' setting to something like: 1 10 30
That way you need to recall the card's meaning after 30 minutes before it's marked as done. Really helps with retention.
>>135643424
>partially due to failing the new cards for hours.
Don't do that.
>>135643600
Okay anon, I'm going to print out and bind thousands of volumes of digital manga and place them on a fucking shelf.
>>135643711
>Are they suspended due to the leech settings? If so, change that to tag them only.
For someone with that bad of retention disabling leeches is the worst thing he could do. He just has to be taught how leeches work so he doesn't finish the deck without realizing he missed stuff.
>>135643709
God I would love to show up to your place and storm over to your "collection" but right as I'm about to put them in a different order you bend me over the bed and fuck my boipucci raw.
Shit yea.
>>135643345
I have.
I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it is indeed great at clearing out stubborn cards. On the other hand, you'll get those cards down eventually anyways, and it delays your progress.
>>135643600
>Reading aku no hana
Jesus christ that's baby shit, I read it before I even reached a thousand words in anki and considered it too easy.
>>135643600
Reading manga with a dictionary and a notebook next to me makes things stick much better than going through decks in anki. I can't remember a symbol if I don't write it down about fifty times.
>>135643709
>posting their collection every single day whenever given the chance post it multiple times a day.
>>135643600
>English version of GitS and Dead Leaves
>>135643707
Writing shit down is a cheat code for memorizing kanji, words, readings and just about everything else.
>Was doing good in core2k
>Hit 1000 or so
>Can't remember any of these fucking words
>>135643709
>I still don't understand why you get so angry about someone having a collection of physical manga.
It has nothing to do with the manga and everything to do with the attention whoring. You're like that one guy who always posts the same shot of his computer in battlestation threads.
Your post was nothing but a big
>look at me, look at me
>>135643665
Do you believe in what you posted would be valuable for learners?
>>135643711
I don't know how to filter it for just today so I'm posting the whole image. Something is wrong with what I'm doing and I don't know what because I spend over 2 hours a day on this and it never gets any better. I buried 3-4 today because I got really frustrated and 2 of them are natural leeches.
>>135643752
How so? Better to keep them in circulation and power through them than throwing them away in the 'too hard' leech basket.
>Wait until a leech is marked
>Write said leech a few times
>Congrats on learning a new word
>>135643895
You'll get them. Just press on. Pay closer attention to the kanji, if you need to.
This isn't the last time that this will happen, either.
>>135643919
If you guys fall for this you're fucking idiots.
>>135643908
>Do you believe in what you posted would be valuable for learners?
Nope. I believe it to be valuable to teachers.
>>135643934
It's better to let leeches be suspended and add new cards instead. Leeches are leeches because they're leeching SRS time. It's better to study them outside of SRS somehow, looking up their etymology or making an mnemonic and writing it five times or whatever, until it stops being burnt out.
>>135643919
Look into amphetamines / fish oil.
今日も一日ガチイクぞい！
Moege heroines are like "please fuck me senseless" and MCs still are "no, it wouldn't be right". Fuck, these guys are gayer than harem protagonists.
>>135643355
>haven't done grammar in a month
Wew.
>>135643991
No, it's not a joke and I'm about to fucking give up because I've been cursed with a brain that can't remember things that I've seen less than a minute ago. If only there was autismbucks for this type of retardation it might make it okay, but I can't even get that because I'm just functional enough to be able to work but not functional enough to do anything else with my life.
>>135644231
You set yourself up to fail with that kind of attitude. Or maybe you want to think you're an idiot so you don't have to try.
がんばれ！
>>135644139
>studying grammar after you've started reading
what's the point? after about a month of daily reading you'll understand just about 90% of grammar and the remaining 10% is just a matter of exposure throughout the years and reinforcement.
There's no point to studying grammar outside of the special 0.01% that you'll see once per series.
>>135644231
Try memorizing radicals. Being able to memorize radicals will give you strength, "I CAN memorize things!"
Just remember: Never let reality get to you. If you want to do something, and it's not wrong. just fucking do it. There is no "can't". YOU CAN LEARN JAPANESE.
>>135643504
>Guide-anon is far too humble to possibly be me
Why thank you.
>>135643458
I agree with what anon says here, but I think that finer matters such as whether or not to learn the kun readings of Kanji (or the individual readings for that matter) should be left to the individual learner or to the discussions in the thread.
One goal of the new guide is to give people a better idea of the approaches to learning Kanji (e. g. Learning individual Kanji vs. Learning through vocab). Hopefully the reader will then have an idea of what he's dealing with and will be able to made an educated and informed choice as to whether it would be beneficial to him learn the individual readings or do something of the sort.
On a personal level I'm an advocate of learning Kanji individually as I believe that it greatly improves vocabulary retention. But personal bias has no place in the guide. The guide is there to show people into a direction which arises from the general consensus of this community. Issues on which there is no general consensus should be presented to the reader in an unbiased manner so that the reader can make his own choice on the matter.
What's considered a "healthy" retention? Is 50-60% generally considered good?
>>135644504
Can you show us your WIP guide?
>>135643794
>put them in a different order
God gracious what heresy.
>>135643817
Yeah, I noticed that it's rather easy once I started reading it. I was used to reading moeshit such as あいうら which has large amounts of text with not much happening, whereas 惡の華 had full pages with almost no text apart from maybe some screaming or the same vocabulary that I've seen at least ten times before.
>>135643855
I'm sorry anon. I picked them up at a video store in Canada.
>>135644598
80%+ for young
90%+ for mature
>>135644633
>tfw 70%
>>135644702
70% is good too for young.
>>135644645
I get ~93% on mature but I don't think I'll ever be capable of 80% retention on young cards. My memory's shit due to lead poisoning when I was younger.
>>135643600
I liked buying まんがタイムきららキャラット for simple and easy reading, I really recommend the issues to anyone looking for something easy and cute to read (Hidamari Sketch, GA ART (ending soon), Swap <-> Swap, New Game, Kill Me Baby etc).
月刊ヤングチャンピオン烈 is also really good too, Voynich Hotel serialized in it also Bakuon, trash and other stuff - mostly lewd stuff - has 3DPD covers and extras (e.g. softcore porn of idols DVDs) though.
Read what you like, fun and cute things are really great to read especially if they are part of a series you enjoy.
>>135644645
young does not matter.
Anki's algorithm is tuned so mature cards should be around 90%. If it's off too far from that, you're not using the hard/easy buttons enough.
>>135643998
>I believe it to be valuable to teachers.
/a/utistic detachment from reality in a nutshell.
So question. I havent studied japanese in ages ut i was always curious about one oddity in the language.
I notice that some old words have a habit of changing a kana. For example, uchigatana, where gatana comes from sword, or raijin, where the jin comes from shin. Is there a reason for this change? I know that maru/tentens are used but i dont get why. Is it just because, a sort of lingual slur over the ages?
>>135644613
Certainly.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8lw5gnep7B_uZAbHLfZPWxJlzpykP5H901y6xEYVsk/edit?usp=sharing
It's still a horrible mess at the moment as I'm currently focused on just getting a first draft of the text in there without any nice hyperlinks or anything of the sort. I've been a bit busy and progress has stagnated, but I'll probably get back to writing tomorrow (or the latest by the end of this week once my glorified rubber domes come in).
>japanese song
>word with small tsu
>they pronounce the word like a vowel extension instead
>ie da a te instead of dat te
Why
>>135644763
Damn, that's a nice collection you've got going there.
I've been ordering まんがタイムきららキャラット on a monthly basis ever since the latest volume of Kill Me Baby came out so I won't have to wait for the next one to get my fix of my favorite series.
>>135644764
>you're not using the hard/easy buttons enough.
Wrong.
If you have low retention in anki, it is DOUBTLESSLY the result of kanji. You've seen it time and time again with RTK folks blasting through vocab decks at super high retention. If you know kanji, your retention is high, if you don't, it's low until you learn them (whether through RTK or through vocab).
Anki's algorithms don't mean shit in the face of kanji.
>>135644764
>you're not using the hard/easy buttons enough
What qualifiers should be used for hitting either button? I only hit easy with cards that are mind numbingly easy.
>>135644936
>you can learn kanji meme
fuck off.
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!Right on time
>>135644779
It is called 連濁. It was invented so stupid gaijins could never fully master the language. I don't know if there are any rules, but I certainly haven't figured any out.
I used to fail my cards if I got it wrong, but I don't even care anymore. Fuck any compound word with 付く in it. I always get them wrong.
>>135645009
>Right on time
To fail.
>>135644598
I sit in the 70% area, doing 30 new cards per day.
I'm not uncomfortable with my rep count, and I'm making good progress. I'd call that healthy.
>>135644828
Topre master race?
>>135644872
Gemination is treated like an extension of the first syllable instead of the second consonant. They do it in singing too.
>>135644903
That was an older image, I have so many issues now that I've ran out of space for them, I'll eventually need to get bigger shelves.
I have Kill Me Baby from start to latest chapter, plus some of the extras given out, It is a great series.
At fear of not contributing to thread.
Shonen Jump Ace is also another good thick magazine that is really easy to read and has A LOT of popular series (Haruhi Suzumiya, Gerogunso, Rat Man, Mirai Nikki, Evangelion etc). It has nice big pages but the paper quality leaves a lot to be desired also sometimes comes with extras too.
>>135644598
I think it also depends on how much cards you input each day. If you're doing 5 cards a day and you sit at a low 50% rate, something might be off. I personally do 40 cards a day and I'm usually between 70 and 80%. In the end, what really matters is your mature cards recognition. If you're in the 80% bracket, something's wrong.
>>135645321
Just wondering, do you live in Japan or did you order all these manga from there?
>>135645096
That shit is gay.
Im glad i never bothered continuing, the kanji was enough bullshit itself
So do you advocate anki over read
How do you put tooltips on anki cards?
>>135645251
So how the hell do you tell apart a daate and datte in a song then, just context and prior knowledge?
>>135644764
>>135644936
To elaborate:
For young cards, Anki / the Supermemo algorithm doesn't yet have enough data for those cards. If the initial ease value is to high, you'll fail them a lot, until the ease value reaches a reasonable value for that card. Getting low retention values here doesn't hurt you, so don't get anxious about it. If you really care about your stats, lower the initial ease.
For mature cards, if your retention is too low, you probably were pressing good on cards that you were actually having trouble with, or you're cheating ("yeah, I actually meant that/I almost got it, so I'll just press hard instead of again this time").
Not actually knowing the kanji, but still passing the card ("cheating" by using okurigana, the sentence or other information on the front of the card...), or not completely understanding the card in other ways (grammar etc) also fall into that category.
On the other hand, if your retention is 95%+ you're probably wasting time reviewing cards you already know well (usually because you're reading a lot, so you're encountering these words outside of anki). In those cases, just press easy instead of good. Yes, you won't see those words again for a while, and you might even forget some of them, but you'll save a lot of time that you can use to learn more words/read more instead. Knowing 90% of 15000 words is better than knowing 99% of 10000 words.
Lastly: A retention of 90% does not mean you only know 90% of your cards. It means you have a 90% chance of correctly answering a card *at the moment when it's due*. Assuming cards are spread evenly across your deck, a retention of 90% means you'd be able to correctly answer ~95% of your cards from a random sampling of your deck.
>>135645569
datte is much more common, also melodies are usually constructed to give hints. You shouldn't worry about it if you're at this point, though.
>>135645572
>("cheating" by using okurigana, the sentence or other information on the front of the card...)
*Thank you*.
>>135645572
>>135645665
>Cheating
That's the default layout for the core decks, so it's perfectly legitimate.
>>135645096
>>135645486
>連濁 is a prohibitively complicated concept
How will God judge you?
Should I buy Read Real Japanese?
>>135645734
Absolutely is.
It doesnt help that english has its own load of bullshit as well
>>135645823
>buying anything ever
Be honest with me fags
>get rid of kanji
>introduce spaces to nihongo
Tell me the ramifications of doing this and how it would or wouldnt make japanese less of a goddamn hassle to learn
>>135645734
this picture reminds me of myself
>>135645827
In the same way where, as long as you actually know English, you don't give a fuck about that kind of shit because you've gotten used to it and know it inside out, 連濁 is piss easy and if you say otherwise, you can't learn Japanese
>>135645847
I buy mangy wangy
If the scan quality is slightly off I drop it. Some niggas got standards.
>>135645906
Still would be hard to understand as half the words are spelt the same.
>>135645906
How do I add spaces when I speak numbnuts?
Fuck off.
>>135645906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O27TgLW6pCU
>>135645946
So that would solve reading, but how would you tell different words when spoken using kanji?
>>135645823
I am 1 page into it and I highly recommend it.
>>135645946
this is the problem with Korean
also it's kind of hard to get the hang of placing spaces because the language naturally shouldn't have a need for them
I'm Korean and I can tell you the language would be much better off if kanji was never done away with to appeal to the uneducated masses
>>135645906
Ramifications: Etymology of sino-japanese words is no longer indicated at all. Schoolkids spend less time learning kanji and more time struggling to understand complex words.
>>135645906
Fixing things that aren't broken usually just break things.
So I'm trying to take a mixed approach to learning kanji and vocab.
I'm thinking
1. Read.
2. Mine words into a deck.
3. Do reps.
4. Run JTAT on the deck to create a kanji list.
5. Study those kanji.
This "vocab-first" approach means I don't "learn" kanji for which I don't know words.
The question is how to most effectively do #5? RTK wouldn't work because it's meant to be done in a specific order. I've seen one deck called Kanji Dark that looks like it might work ok. There's a 書き込む deck but the way it cues the answer seems confusing. There's alsowriting it 50 times in my notebook you bitch, I suppose.
Well?
>>135646086
English has this as well with spellings changed to reference old romance language origins
Whole lot of good thats doing for our dumbass kids
>>135646270
The way English does it is to keep the word how it was when it entered the language that's not etymological that's just static. The way it exists in Japanese is more like how French is written.
>>135646081
How would written spaces be that complicated to add? Unless you mean spoken, even english doesnt have breaks between spoken words, some studies where done that show that spoken english is very much context and picking up words and phrases one recognizes rather than being word for word speech of written text
>>135646028
context brio
Why are we even debating this? It's like arguing about fanfiction.
>>135646357
>spoken japanese can use context
>written cant
>>135646249
>JTAT
I don't know what that is but there is an add-on for Anki called Kanji grid which generates either an image or clickable html list of Kanji
>>135646461
ok brio
>>135645906
>desecrate their language and culture
>expect good things
>>135646354
This is a pretty shitty example considering I'm just thinking it up on the spot but shit like 精神鑑定 (do I put a space there or not?), phrasal verbs, etc. It's not really that big of a deal, but then again, neither is learning kanji. And once you actually know the kanji, you'd much rather have the language keep it because it's much easier that way
>>135645906
>get rid of kanji
The large number of homonyms makes reading extremely difficult
>introduce spaces
particles and kanji serve to break up words just fine
It's a good thing that Japanese is difficult for westerners to learn. It keeps out the baka gaijin. Or would you rather Japan just be smoothed over with and iron replace their culture with globalist culture?
>>135646604
>thier language
>a language formed circa 700's when the japanese jacked chinese characters because they didnt have a writing system of their own
>>135644504
>but I think that finer matters such as whether or not to learn the kun readings of Kanji (or the individual readings for that matter) should be left to the individual learner or to the discussions in the thread.
Exactly, which is why they don't belong in the guide.
>On a personal level I'm an advocate of learning Kanji individually as I believe that it greatly improves vocabulary retention. But personal bias has no place in the guide.
Good to hear. There are a lot of rather staunch particular biases I have which have directed the flow of my learning but I'd never put them out to a beginner as 1. it would be inappropriate and 2. they came about as the result of a lot of independent research and honed over the course of acquisition.
>Issues on which there is no general consensus should be presented to the reader in an unbiased manner so that the reader can make his own choice on the matter.
Good luck with that, anon. It sounds promising.
>>135645572
some math:
If your mature retention rate is 90% and you want to reach 95%, you'll need to do increase your reviews by a factor of
log(0.9)/log(0.95) = 2,05
Twice as much grinding in Anki, for only increasing retention by 5%.
The opposite is also true. If you're currently at 95% you could halve your anki workload (by upping the interval modifier or by using the easy button more often) if you don't mind your retention dropping to 90%.
>>135646712
>make a language easier to read
>tantamoint to erasing and burning an emtire culture
Now youre just using appeal to emotion and tradition bro
Has /djt/ ever done a meet and fuck?
>>135646730
Is English not the language of people from England then? Actually, don't answer that, I don't want to see another semantics shitposting war
>>135646809
>>make a language easier to read
No, what he said was the language would be harder to read
Fuck off anti-kanji people. This thread is about learning Japanese not arguing about Japanese society.
>>135646712
So which makes more sense
Seperate words in a sentence
Or add 2000 different symbols for individual words and smash them together. I wouldnt want to have a mix a symbol for water and wind for what i simply spell as fucking "fire extinguisher"
>>135646902
You must be new here.
>>135645906
If you want a language that is nothing but communicating logical states, use binary. As for the rest of us, language is play.
>>135646828
we need to do that soon ;3
>>135646782
>you could halve your anki workload
It's not exactly half because you also spend a bit more time relearning the 5% you're forgetting, but you're definitely saving time
>>135646836
Hey bro. Did i say i liked english? Im well aware of how fuck tarded english is and would change it if i could to, unfortunately it would require much more work because accents make shit complicated.
And to be fair thats not a fair comparison. American english is if like some japs decided to inhabit a new land and being their language with it
>>135646828
You don't want to fuck these ugly fat manlets.
>>135646809
>Now youre just using appeal to emotion and tradition bro
Language IS the expression of emotion, culture and tradition. Bro.
Radicals deck. Names and numbers taken from wikipedia and curated slightly. Modified forms like pic related have letter suffixes like .b on all fields you could possibly want to do production with (why would you do production on radicals? Anyways, I made it possible)
Radicals that demand an explanation have notes on the backside that become visible with mouseover. Picture related, again.
Please install a font with full unicode radicals support. These are the two I specified in the deck:
http://fonts.jp/hanazono/
https://www.google.com/get/noto/help/cjk/
Hanazono is slightly better; the graphic in picture related is centered in the character face on hanazono, like it should be, but in Noto Sans CJK, it's off center.
https://mega.nz/#!0ZsjhT6C!nOqh0AfQoc4-8VjVAhP0iv0PGb8v6Hg0lSYjTIMk9iY
There are 270-something cards. You can use and modify the data however you want; I didn't make it from scratch.
If I made any stupid mistakes like missing a .a/.b, please tell me and I'll fix it. No, I don't have a phone/tablet/hidpi display, I can't write your CSS for you on those devices.
>>135646809
That wouldn't at all make it easier to read. You're just throwing a tantrum because boo hoo kanji is too hard and you want them to conform to you so you don't have to do any work. The world is not your playground. When you're immersed in someone else's culture you play by their rules, not the other way around.
Japanese works just fine the way it is. Learn the rule or get the fuck out.
>>135647076
And now yourr using semantics and dancing around the issue
>inb4 culture is dancing bro
Kill yourselves.
>>135647029
>And to be fair thats not a fair comparison. American english is if like some japs decided to inhabit a new land and being their language with it
That's not what I was arguing. English was only formed a couple hundred years before Japanese, and that in itself was formed from other languages and other writing systems, which is exactly what you were saying "Japanese isn't Japan's language" to
>>135647099
The point of language is to communicate. If just learning it is difficult in and of itself, then how exactly does it fare well at communicating?
And you say this like there isnt any anti kanji sentiment in japan itself. The only reason they havent gotten rid of it is because theyre to cuckolded by muh ancestors and fear of making public scenes to do anything about it
>>135640652
Thanks for the meme bro
>>135646907
出て行け。
>>135647222
Fuck off with your off topic shit.
>>135647078
>That encyclopaedia on the bottom card
>>135647286
No problem, it doesn't display unless you mouse over the ?.
>>135646461
The thing about speaking is you can always just ask the other person for clarification.
