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>>135017784
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Your job now is to work hard and learn all you can.
Word of the day: 社畜
Compelling content
Do your reps. It'll take like an hour, tops. Even if you are too tired out to learn anything new today, do your reps. Always do your reps.
>>135068322
I don't want to.
>>135068369
>>135068243
I like words that make total sense. Nice simple readings, and it means exactly what you'd think.
>>135068285
source
How do I remove furigana from core deck?
I'm finally going to do it. I'm going to order something from Japan. First I need to figure out how I should spell my name in katakana.
Hopefully I don't get a fraud alert on my credit card again. That is what happened the last time I tried to order something from Japan. I hate talking on the phone, so it is an awful experience.
>>135068752
Remove the part that says "furigana:" in your card layout.
>>135068784
onahole?
>>135068784
Where are you ordering from? I've never had a problem but I've only used retailers that support international sales like amazon, amiami and hobysearch.
>>135068896
Nier Piano Score
>>135069007
First time was from CDJapan. Got the fraud alert so it didn't go through. I talked to the credit card company, and got it sorted out. Told CDJapan to try again. Got rejected again. Gave up.
This time I'm going to try Amazon.
>>135068784
>First I need to figure out how I should spell my name in katakana.
Why? Japs are taught romaji in school, so they should be able to read your name just fine.
>>135069349
I got the same problem a while back when I ordered my first kimono.
>>135069419
>ordering a kimono
>>135069419
ケン様 pls 帰れ and stay 帰れ
>>135068612
人非人
>reckless abandon to the activity
How is /djt/s Japanese typing speed?
http://10fastfingers.com/typing-test/japanese
Just try and beat me scrubs
Am I supposed to be taking in all these words just from reading?
I feel like I'd benefit much more from spending more time using anki instead because my vocabulary is so limited.
>>135070334
Oh boy.
>>135070457
In the beginning, reading is more an exercise of grammar than an exercise of vocabulary. Either way, yes, you're supposed to pick up words and context while reading.
>>135070457
Stick those words into your mining deck.
>>135069710
>>135069589
Watashi am almost finished with ore no benkyou and I'll be visiting Nihon to show off my skills. Don't complain to me when you walk into Nihon and get laughed at for not dressing properly.
>>135070457
Why not both
Just add the words you don't know that you come across when reading to an anki deck and then do them, you'll remember them easier as well because you'll remember seeing them in the context of whatever you're reading
Does the hazy feeling towards a lot of grammar (even after reading the DoJG entries for said grammar) just go away over time by reading more? Or do I need to do more focused study on the grammar points I still get confused by?
>>135070780
How exactly do you plan on focusing on certain grammar points without reading more?
>>135070780
Just from reading.
>>135070780
Reading more is always the best way to improve, even if it seems like it's more of a struggle than it should be
Just read as much as you can at at least a somewhat challenging level and get in the habit of googling any grammar you come across that you can't work out
>reach 2nd h scene of this route
>don't feel like masturbating
I'm sorry, cute anime girl, I just want to learn Japanese right now.
>>135070780
Just watch more anime and it will fix you right up
>>135070334
git gud
>>135071348
Seems legit
>>135071348
>231 words per minute
>4 words per second
doubt
>>135071348
あなたがロボットですか？
>>135071348
>4 words per second
>not a single 変換ミス
Nah.
i get most of my new vocab from anime
it's a great source if you have good listening skills
>>135071468
Any native material is a great source of vocab, nerd
>>135071509
not any native material is entertaining
>>135071468
My listening skills are atrocious, I hate trying to listen to anime because having to pause an episode to look up words is frustrating as fuck
>>135071576
So what? It's still kind of silly to say something as obvious as "anime is a good source of vocab". Durr, it's native Japanese, just like anything else.
Can someone explain to me why this is "chokkan", rather than "cyokkan", "chyokkan" or "chiyokkan"?
I'm shit at this and just started to try and learn yesterday. Thank in advance.
![Gendai_Manga_Ronshuu_Collection_of_Discourses_on_Modern_Manga_p000 [1969][Seirindo][9784284401722].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tKxBqzl.jpg "Gendai_Manga_Ronshuu_Collection_of_Discourses_on_Modern_Manga_p000 [1969][Seirindo][9784284401722].jpg")
Oh, I guess this is ready to be added to the cornucopia, if it isn't already there. If anyone wants a wall of text to read on some Garo authors, that is.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/iqyc6lwo11d2d
Chaptered PDF, Leveled PNGs (amateur job), original scans (JPG), original scans (tif with level layers; you can adjust it yourself if some kanji is unrecognizable), and Leveled PNGs Inverted (for those who prefer white text on a black background).
Authors:
Ishiko Junzou / 石子順造
Kaiji Jun / 梶井純
Kikuchi Asajirou / 菊地浅次郎
Gondou Susumu / 権藤晋
Artists discussed:
Tezuka Osamu / 手塚治虫
Shirato Sanpei / 白土三平
Ishinomori Shotaro (Ishimori Shotaro) / 石ノ森章太郎
Mizuki Shigeru / 水木 しげる
Tsuge Yoshiharu / つげ義春
Saito Takao / さいとうたかを
Nagashima Shinji / 永島慎二
HIRATA Hiroshi / 平田弘史
TAKITA Yuu / 滝田ゆう
Tanaka Teruo 棚下照生 (たなか てるお)
HAYASHI Seiichi / 林静一
Tsuge Tadao / つげ忠男
Sasaki Maki / 佐々木マキ
and then some essays:
Discussion on the state of affairs, Kid’s Manga The Collapse and Transformation of Idealism
Gekiga The Hell of Post War Democracy
Nonsense Manga, Why did Manga move towards nonsense
Ero-guro manga, the desires that lurk in savagery
Extra: history of post war manga by year
>>135072120
Because there's two versions of よ、 one big and one small one: よ、ょ
The small one modifies the preceding character.
As for exactly how to write the resulting modification in romaji, that's up for debate. The official Japanese system would write it as tyokkan.
But to us westerners, cho looks closest to the pronounciation, think "chotto matte" or ちょっとまって.
At the end of the day it's just a matter of convention though.
>>135072832
Pah
DAMN IT djt.
i'm in intermediate hell.
j-cat says i'm n2 level.
百戦錬磨の兵 in /djt/ spergwars. collected millions of autismbux in spoils.
grinded so long and so hard.
i've studied the shit out of this language.
I've come so far. The winter break is here. I have all day.
Why is it so hard to get started every day?
>>135072906
>百戦錬磨の兵
Someone has been listening to 千本桜
>>135072906
Maybe because you're lacking compelling content? I started playing Evenicle the other day and I literally opened the game minutes after I woke up and read/played it for hours. There are tons of things I want to read and watch in Japanese, such that it's not hard to get started at all, I myself rush towards it with glee. All I can say is, try and find content compelling to you.
>>135072290
>As for exactly how to write the resulting modification in romaji, that's up for debate.
>But to us westerners, cho looks closest to the pronounciation
Oh, so it's just how it's pronounced? The c+yo in pic related isn't supposed to sound like "cyo" or something else, but like "cho" for whatever reason and therefore it's written that way?
>>135073058
>pic related
>>135072290
>But to us westerners
Westerners don't all speak English faggot, in many western languages "cho" doesn't exist at all.
>>135073118
It's never 'cyo'. That's just a misleading chart.
>>135073016
I wanted to know what this game was about, so I google it and the first result is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7WPGH7QAEA
Christ, which one of you fags is this?
>>135073219
Sorry, meant countries that actually matter.
>>135073016
I have content which would be compelling if it was not so arduous to read
>>135073344
China? That's the only one I can think of, it's western only if you compare it to Japan.
>>135073344
Stop replying on behalf of me you idiot.
>>135073219
I think it's safe to assume that 90%+ of the people reading my post are going to be from western society, and an English speaker. If you wanna start shit go to /int/ or something.
>>135073252
I always wonder, can these people read Japanese? I expect them to because they're playing these Japanese games, but at the same time they always seem to skip unspoken lines and never "read" the lines so who knows? I'll skip ahead and see if I can get any clues.
Evenicle is a 2015 JRPG by Alice Soft, known for the Rance games. It's really solid, has nice graphics, good character interactions, etc etc. I'm enjoying it a ton.
>>135073370
If you're an intermediate nothing should be arduous for you, unless you're solely compelled to read the original Tale of Genji text.
>>135073252
What kind of accent is that?
>>135073533
He seems to get the gist of it but he's skipping a lot yeah, no idea though. Maybe he's chinese and guessing based off the kanji too? On youtube his country is set to Malaysia so it's not too much of a stretch.
>>135073683
Autism.
>>135073687
A machine translator may be off frame.
I don't want to be CSI EOP or anything but it really is something that interests me, since I see a lot of these videos but never get a definitive answer.
>>135073683
Some yank homo thing.
>>135073802
Could be people who can understand spoken Japanese to a point. Closed the video after 3 seconds so just guessing
>>135073802
At 7:33 he says "I'm using it on my translator, I just read it and read out rephrasing it"
>>135073861
Wow, thank you for suffering through that nonsense for the sake of knowledge.
>>135073861
You are one thorough motherfucker.
So is this Evenicle game good? Anyone played it?
>>135073926
Like I said, I'm playing it, it's pretty good both from an VN standpoint (great art, funny dialogue, enjoyable setting/story) and from an eroge standpoint (the JRPG gameplay is standard but entertaining, the graphics are nice and 3D, the ero itself is really hot and above average). I'd reccomend it to any fan of Eroge. It's definitely a good game, as expected of Alice Soft.
It's also overall pretty easy in terms of text, not a whole lot of infodumping or anything, so even as a beginner it would be a good way to study.
>>135073533
Tell me about your study methods, do you use anki? Did you spend time grinding kanji first? etc.
I want to hear more about you, compelling-kun
>>135074087
Yes, I use anki, pretty slowly though in comparison to most people, just 10 new cards a day, focused mainly on words with unknown or tricky kanji. I upped it to 20 recently because the amount of tricky/unknown kanji has substantially decreased as of late.
I did not spend time grinding kanji first but I wonder if that was a good idea or not. Anki became 100x easier and fast once I got kanji down, but that took over a year (due to my slow pace). I wonder if grinding out kanji first would have made this whole process shorter and more enjoyable, or if I would have just spent a year in RTK instead of Core/Mining deck. I couldn't tell you if it was worth it.
>>135074056
I assume chiitrans doesn't work with it?
>>135074056
Guess I'll give it a try sometime next year after I'm done with the current VN I'm reading and all the anime ending this season
I just hope the game part is good since it will probably be the part keeping me interested
>>135074283
I wouldn't know, I'm not using one on this game.
I just tried hooking to the scene I'm on and it worked, not sure what'll happen during battles though.
>>135074310
I think it's fun, but then again I haven't played a JRPG in a long while.
今、 セックスがしたい。
>>135074410
わたくしも
>>135074410
わがはいも
>>135074387
If it works with the dialogues it should be enough, I just can't be fucked of searching all kanji and words I don't know by radicals or worse drawing them on google
>Learning Japanese
>Also have to learn French and Latin for college
>...in addition to work for my major
>>135074525
>learning 3 languages at once
M8 you've already lost
>>135074056
Is that a GIANT ENEMY CRAB?
>>135074056
>男M
ワロス
>>135074525
>>Also have to learn French and Latin for college
That's the sign of you studying for something useless.
>>135074571
Yes, he seems to be an optional boss, I loaded a save to fight him for the screenshot and promptly got destroyed.
>>135074551
自分をおおおおお
I want to circlejerk with weeaboos and impress them with my amazing Japanese skills by posting screenshots of shitty VNs in Japanese, creating a circle of admirers, where should I go for this?
It can't be too big of a place like MAL
>>135074807
They key isn't to post in Japanese, it's just to post a lot in general. If you post a lot in a forum people who go to the forum will start to recognize you, simple as that. Godspeed.
>>135074807
Make a name for yourself by translating things
How do you express the rate or chance of something occuring? None of the words I know are appropriate, like チャンス、きっかけ...
>>135074807
You literally described /jp/
>>135075049
確率 or something I guess
>>135075000
Quiz: Name the people who translated the following games:
G-Senjou no Maou
Ever17
Sharin no Kuni
Yume Miru Kurusi
Umineko
Hoshizora no Memoria
Utawarerumono
Kara no Shoujo
Ace Attorney
Swan Song
Steins;Gate
Captive Market
Kangoku Senkan / Taimanin Asagi
Eden
Kana ~Imouto~
Tears to Tiara
A Profile
School Days
Sagara Fanuky
Eoge H mo Game
Canvas 2
Air
Ayakabito
Wind ~A Breath of Heart~
Princess Evangile
Starless
Katahane
Yosuga no Sora
>>135075090
That's not quite what I'm looking for, I found expression which come close enough though: 可能性が低い / 高い
>>135074185
so how long have you been studying?
i might try this 10 word a day thing. if it leads to more consistent study, it's worth it.
>>135075088
Are tripfags still cool?
>>135075192
Google translate. Then it was edited by some random faggot
>>135075192
All me. Feel free to thank me.
>>135075258
640~ days, so just over 1.75 years.
I should note that I was also reading for over an hour a day every day, and every about 50% of all my cards had a new kanji in it, so despite only doing 10 cards I was still studying hard, just not necessarily for very long in anki. Consistent daily study is extremely important, better to study 10 words a day than study 30 words one day and skip the next two.
>>135075331
>>135075342
>>135075359
May these resounding failures serve as a reminder that no matter how popular and famous your chosen game is, nobody will remember you as the translator. Translation is a selfless, thankless effort, a raw, one-sided transaction of your own time and life for the benefit of other people. Do not go into translation with ideas of fame or glory. You will just end up with less free time.
>>135075420
Sometimes I recognize names of translators on exhentai. like that one mysterymeat
or cgrascal
>>135075470
CGrascal is a group name with many employed translators.
>>135075509
Really? And they are all equally retarded? Can't be.
>>135075420
I did a small amount of translation work for part of a VN, there is a certain amount of pleasure in knowing other people are reading what you wrote. I'd recommend it for failed writers who always dreamed of having the world read and love their stories, but could never get published or popular since you're not actually any good, as a last-ditch attempt for having words you wrote get read by others. You can even change the story slightly to your liking, since those dumb EOPs can't tell the difference anyway.
>>135075420
Not if you translate animu for a memesub.
>>135075551
Fair point, I was just responding to >>135075000
You definitely won't make a name for yourself by translating, long-term anyway.
>>135073016
The protagonist looks like a HUGE little faggot, is he a sub at least?
Seeing him dominant would probably just make me laugh
>>135075684
Wow, this is a no bully zone.
Anyone wanna correct my translation? I know you guys love berating people and being contrarian so:
http://rocketnews24.com/2013/01/18/284549/
Its something males would rather not know but, many women notice that their conversation partner glimpses at their breasts. The intention is to converse eye to eye however, unconsciously a glimpse... There's no ill intention. However, they notice. A frightful thing it is.
From that we introduce this time's subject, uploaded on a foreign sight, "if you look closely, something unbelievable has been photographed". First I would like you to look at the topic photograph.
At first what do you see? I know what you see. The pink clothed woman's breasts. As if to burst, a dynamite bust. In truth if you look closely, the one in the white also is quite a thing. A busty combination. A unbelievable 2 persons.
However, in truth the "unbelievable" isn't the womans' breasts. What was photographed, i want you to acertain. Discarding your impure thoughts, i want you to calmly acertain. If you always look at the breasts, you will miss important things. On top of that, you will even lose your sense.
>奇遇ですね 今帰りですか？
>うん、面接帰り。あなたも？
>今日は偶然ゼミが長引いてちゃって
This is a conversation between two characters who bump into each other on their way home. Why is the last sentence not in past tense? The seminar happened already, it ran long but it's over now and she's on her way home. So why ちゃって instead of ちゃった?
>>135075832
Stating the facts is not bullying.
>>135075982
It's the first half of a sentence
>>135075991
It is when the facts hurt my feelings.
>>135076049
Oh, she just cuts off without using the rest, huh? Seems odd, but I probably do similar things in English without realizing it.
>>135075897
Your translation doesn't flow well in english at all. Perhaps you should read a book (in english)?
>>135075192
>Sharin no Kuni
The n00b avenger
>Umineko
Witch Hunt guys
>Eden
NNL guys
>Swan Song
Takajun
>Steins;Gate
BlickWinkel
>Ace Attorney
Alexander O. Smith
>School Days
SP guys
>Air
Sheena
>Wind ~A Breath of Heart~
NNL guys
I can't remember the other guys without looking them up though.
>>135076115
I mean it's kind of like
>Why are you here?
>Because I wanted to see you
vs
>Why are you here?
>I am here because I wanted to see you
>seeing 土 after 4000 other words in core 6k
what's up with these priorities?
>出るとこ出てねえのもつまんねえしな？
>出るとこ出てねえ
I cannot for the life of me figure out what this means. Help.
>>135076120
Its intentionally crude, its balancing the literal with readability.
The intention of having the translation tilted towards the literal being that japanese grammatical structures are captured.
>>135076228
>literal translation
Into the trash it goes
>>135075192
you have to actually post about translating things though. And that was in response to getting people to adore you on an internet forum, not acheive long lasting praise and worship.
>>135076175
Ah okay, I got it. Thanks.
>>135076211
It didn't do the thing even at the places where it should have done the thing.
>>135075897
Way too direct of a translation, but maybe that was on purpose.
Something that men would rather not know, is that many women notice when the guy they are talking to sneaks a peek at their breasts. Even if you intend to look her in the eyes when you talk to her, you sometimes accidentally glance at her chest. Even if you don't mean any harm, they can still notice you doing it. Isn't that terrifying?
こんな風に訳すといいじゃない？
>>135076356
I apologize. Maybe I am mistaken to go the literal route.
Next time I will refine the translation.
>>135076416
Well there's a point to make for literal translations in the context of learning and explaining grammar points and so on. I don't know which is more useful to you, it seems like you understood everything though.
>>135076294
Hmm, I kind of get it but I can't make sense of it within its context.
>>135076682
>XるとこXてない
Xるとこ - a place where the thing would have been done if everything was as expected. Xてない - turns out the thing is not done at that place for some reason.
>>135076682
出るところ（に） <- the place where it should have happened/appeared/whatever
出てないのも <- and not happening/appearing (at the aforementioned time/place)
つまらないし、な <- is boring/lame and stuff
>年月
>年月
literally the same thing.
>側
>例
文字通り区別できません
>>135076921
>>135076991
When I think about it I think I do get it. The sentence before was the guy saying that that wasn't the only reason he wanted her to get fatter. And then 出るとこ出てねえのもつまんねえしな？
I'm guessing he means it'd be boring if it didn't go to her chest or something. Thanks for your help.
>戸
>声
literally unrecognizable
>>135076228
That's fucking retarded. You're the kind of faggot that keeps honorifics in English and would call Guts "Gattsu". Fuck off.
>私はシナン、シナーーーーズ！
>I will not die, nor will my dream
What? How the fuck does this actually translate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esY2zdIsKaI
>>135077399
>Gattsu
O I am laffin
>>135076228
>japanese grammatical structures are captured.
don't do this please, most of them are like polar opposites to english structures.
>>135077572
Wait. Is it
>私は死なん・・・死なーーんぞ！
As in, "I will not die! I Absolutely will not die!"
>>135077645
死なない
Yeah, looks like the dream thing was just something he made up for some reasons
>>135077712
Yeah so that was it.
I see some guys shorten the ない in negative verbs to just ん sometimes, so that was what was happening here. That and some weird pronunciation lol
>>135076228
No, it's unreadable crap. Japanese grammatical structures are not English grammatical structures. Go read a Japanese novel translated by Jay Rubin or Alfred Birnbaum and see how it ought to be done.
>>135077399
There's absolutely nothing wrong with keeping the honorifics in.
>>135075897
>よく見ると実はトンデモないモノが写っている画像
Can somebody break this sentence down for me?
The 「見ると・・・」and 「写っている画像」 parts are confusing me.
I got the gist being something like
>A picture that's often seen, but not actually ridiculous
or something like that
Are you fucking serious?
>>135077376
>wanted her to get fatter
Then 出るとこ was about things that were supposed to be "protruding"/"going outwards", like tits and ass.
>>135078237
>よく見ると
If you look closely
>写っている画像
>Pictures that have been taken.
>>135073118
The following are normally pronounced as chV:
ちゃ
ち
ちゅ
ちぇ
ちょ
The following are normally pronounced as shV:
しゃ
し
しゅ
しぇ
しょ
Everything else is a glide CjV.
>>135078437
What's your problem?
>>135078437
That's easy. Try unique counters for things like bottles or books.
>>135078185
Except there is.
>>135078185
Point and laugh
>>135078589
English already butchers a large part of character individuality by only using "I". Removing honorifics is even more stupid.
RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE JUST PUT JAPANESE INSIDE MY HEAD WHY IS THIS SO HARD
>>135078589
>>135078645
Depends on who you are translating for. If it's for weebs keeping the honorifics in is the right choice
あなたが子供と同じように私に触れる
>see word
>get it wrong, but have kind of a "oh, fucking duh" reaction to getting it wrong
>or perhaps get very close, i.e. you say さ instead of す
>hit "hard" instead of "again"
>comes back around later that month (I wouldn't do this if it was going to send to flying five months into the future or something)
>remember it; hit good
This is actually kind of an effective way to handle cards that you almost get right.
>>135079415
>see word
>get it wrong, but have kind of a "oh, fucking duh" reaction to getting it wrong
>or perhaps get very close, i.e. you say さ instead of す
>hit "again"
>comes back around tomorrow
>remember it; hit easy
>see it a week later, hit easy
>etc etc now it's on a month interval too
Not much time is saved if you already knew it that well. The time sinks in anki are always the young cards and leeches you continually fail as you memorize them.
>>135078680
I'm so glad that I'm a genius and can grasp differences in grammatical rules in a heartbeat.
Vocab grind and reading speed are the only actual issues in Japanese, and both of those are pretty fun.
I should have started years ago.
>>135079415
>the next month you make another mistake on the same card
>you don't remember the mistake of last month, hit hard again
This is what actually happens you stupid faggot
>>>/r/learnjapanese
>>135077013
おなじだけど、語感がちがうよ
>としつき
あったかいかんじ
>ねんげつ
つめたいかんじ
>>135079600
>Warm
wa-words
>Cold
sino-japanese
>>135079600
>JustAnimeDubbed.TV
>AnimeToon.TV
Is this an epic new troll?
>>135079600
why the fuck would two different nouns for months and years feel cold or hot
>>135078680
Yeah, just fuck it off and do something fun instead.
>>135079747
>Warm
Oathbreach
>Cold
Perjury
English has the same thing. It's where the roots in the word come from.
>>135079787
>>Warm
>Oathbreach
>>Cold
>Perjury
u sure
これもよみかたがあるけど
やっぱり語感はちょっとづつ違うとおもうよ
幾年
>いくねん
>いくとし
>いくとせ
>read Wikipedia article on LN author
>understand everything aside from having to look up a few words
Is this what progress feels like?
How much of core2k should I have covered before jumping into tae kim
>>135079908
0
jump into it from the moment you finish kana
Reminder that you're still a beginner until you can understand all of this.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5123978
>>135079923
I RECOGNIZE THIS WAAA
I understand that doing any vocab deck past core 2k6k means that you have 'literal autism ', but how are you supposed to grasp the huge Japanese vocabulary from reading alone? Aren't there like 30-40k words to learn total? I can't see it possible to be able to get to a comfortable speaking vocab from Vns and mangas alone
>>135080513
>wanting to speak
>>135080513
>I can't see it possible to be able to get to a comfortable speaking vocab from Vns and mangas alone
VNs and manga draw from the same pool of vocab as anything else, it's all Japanese. You won't get much political know how from cooking manga, though, gotta choose a variety of reading material.
The idea is you add the words you find while reading into anki, by the way. Think of it like this: if you never see a word, it's clearly not worth learning, because you never see it.
>>135080513
Lol fucking normalfag wanting to speak to people. Are you gonna go talk to sakura under the sakura tree?
>>135079923
What the fuck did I just watch
So can someone explain U and RU verbs? Tae kim is hurting my head.
So if it doesn't end in る its always a う verb, okay, I get that.
But there ARE verbs that end in る that are う verbs?
can someone explain this
like one of his examples is 入る it ends in る however it is a う verb?
can someone explain it to me?
>>135080572
Thanks for the sensible reply anon
>>135080723
I actually forgot there was a difference between る and う verbs.
>>135080723
You literally don't need to know unless you're working on production like a fucking goofball.
By the time you're fluent at reading, you'll know what conjugations sound correct and which ones don't anyway.
>>135080723
Basically there's two patterns:
...u
...ru
And this is important because ru verbs and u verbs conjugate differently. ru verbs drop the full ru when they take on certain forms, but u verbs only drop the u.
There's no rule that verbs ending in ru *must* be ru verbs. It's just the term used for describing them.
You can use "godan" and "ichidan" instead, if you want. That's the system the japs use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_consonant_and_vowel_verbs
>>135080723
>>135080765
>>135080802
Thank you. Also, is there a tool or site I can use that will tell me if what I typed or said is grammatically correct japanese?
just to confirm or troubleshoot myself
>>135080977
>Also, is there a tool or site I can use that will tell me if what I typed or said is grammatically correct japanese?
Yeah, this thread.
>>135080996
oh
>>135080996
As if.
>この子が、病室で自分の病気がよくなるようにって、ずっと鶴を折り続けていたん。
Can って appear in the middle of a sentence like this?
>>135080977
lang8
By the way, if you haven't been studying for more than 2-4 years, there is extremely little chance of you being about to naturally produce correct Japanese. Just read a lot, expose yourself to context, and don't worry so much about mistakes.
>>135081035
Yes. I don't know what it means, though!
>>135080977
I think Google would like to know about that tool if it did exist
>>135081080
it probably exists, it wouldn't be too hard to make i think. grammar rules are very straight forward
>>135081035
The whole middle section is an indirect quote.
>>135081107
Good luck coding something that works when you have to deal with slang, dialects and dropping particles all over the place
>>135081107
It definitely doesn't exist. Natural language processing is far too complicated. Either it throw false positives or it would throw false positives.
https://web.archive.org/web/20121114123533/http://respectthebeard.com/japanese/AMB_Japanese_Verbs.pdf
Is there any recommended VN with simple japanese, which will help me to learn kanji?
>>135081520
How about you read the guide.
>>135081520
Dies Irae will help you learn all kinds of kanji.
>>135081520
Go go Nippon is considered by far the best introduction point to the Japanese language.
>>135081547
>>135081589
>>135081606
Thank you.
>colleges having their winter break
>/djt/ suddenly full of leddit-tier kiddies who think they can learn Japanese
Two more weeks of this.
>>135067857
Took a minor break from working on the DoJG note converting and fixed up one of the decks that I think were in the CoR, a kanji deck. It had a few mismatches on some of the cards pointed out thanks to an anon in another thread, so I decided to revamp it overall.
The data is based on this spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19zorQpMJi00-b6abuvE5uBAIsMMqWVrbeHD-bIrkggQ/edit?hl=en&pref=2&pli=1#gid=1
It keeps the default frequency order and the Joyo grade has been replaced with Kanken grades. Deck contains cards for 6355 kanji. Includes example jukugo and words for On and Kun readings.
The kanji stroke order font converted images are 300x300px and the font point used was 280pt. Bulk converted with Image Magick command line package, for Android users without root access and difficulties getting the KanjiStrokeOrders font working on Ankidroid.
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-processing.php
Download link is below.
https://mega.nz/#!jx0TUSyJ!Rohq5IgT3JDRHtBN5e4VLXHzY8i9SniF9EhrlzHbVSI
it makes me feel bad when I think that if I never watched anime or played games for the last 6 months (thats how long I studied), I would be so much better at Japanese.
did anybody ever give up hobbies to study? does it work? I am going to do it unless it is just a stupid unrealistic idea.
>>135081856
>Bulk converted with Image Magick command line package, for Android users without root access and difficulties getting the KanjiStrokeOrders font working on Ankidroid.
Can imagemagick do this with SVGs? KanjiStrokeOrder font still has a couple remaining errant characters among the Joyo kanji, but KanjiVG's SVG data lacks those mistakes: https://github.com/KanjiVG/kanjivg
>これ - this
>だけ - just
>これだけ - so many
OKAY, JAPANESE.
>>135081908
Get a better dictionary.
>So many (few), so much (little)
>>135081705
You're gonna be complaining about NYRs being idiots when January comes. It's not just two weeks, it's gonna be months for you.
>>135081882
Anime is good listening practice.
I stopped playing video games or really doing anything (except shitposting) after starting Japanese.
>>135081705
>Thinking about going back to college to follow my dream since I need a diploma
>Decide to give it my all for once
>I know it'll be hard and require dedication
I'm sorry anon I don't know if my willpower will be able to handle it buy I don't want to be a neet on unemployment bucks forever.
>>135081907
>Can imagemagick do this with SVGs
Pretty sure it can, man. I was going to convert those KanjiVG svg files but they are named as pic related and not sure how to go about using that for bulk convertions.
For example, the conversion command I used was:
convert -font KanjiStrokeOrders -size 300x300 -pointsize 280 -gravity center label:日 日.gif
to produce a 300x300 gif of 日. Doing this I was able to use the deck spreadsheet and bulk add the command wrapped around the kanji column, remove the tabbed spaces in a notepad file and copy/paste directly into the command line. I'll look into svg conversion a little later on and see if there is a way to go about converting those in the same manner. At the moment the only way I know how to convert the images involves knowing the target file name/font character and the desired output name (which for practical sake should be the same).
>>135082081
If you know python/perl you can convert the codepoint hex of the filename to the character for the target filename, and just do it for filenames matching the regex .....\.svg
>>135082106
>If you know python/perl
No go. I'm more or less retarded about most things in life, including snakes and clams. Maybe someone else can work their animal magic for this problem.
>>135082130
I'm a professional snake charmer. If you can succinctly describe, in enumerated steps:
1 - What the data looks like now
2 - What the data should look like when it's processed
3 - Where to get the source data
Then I should be able to do what you need when I get home if nobody else has volunteered.
Thinking of dropping Core (currently at 2300 words) and getting vocab from pure reading/mining. It's such a fucking chore, and ｍost words I'm learning right now are useless to me, stuff like 国鉄, 磨く or 春分, meanwhile I still haven't seen the words for magic, sword or punch. Stuff I'd expect to see in my shounenshit I mostly can't read right now because Anki is sucking the energy out of me.
With that said I'm also afraid I'll drop the ball and not practice everyday without Core forcing me to.
So a few questions: is the Anki grind less mind-numbing with mined words? Are there less total reviews? Is it safe to drop Core when you still learn useful words every now and then? Is it overall a good idea?
Just finished reading 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱
Fuck yeah
>>135083172
Just suspend all the words you don't think you need and continue, what's so hard about that?
>>135082993
Source:
https://github.com/KanjiVG/kanjivg/releases
kanjivg-20150615-2-all.zip
The zip is a collection of svg files. Pic related is the file labelled 0f9b2.svg opened up in LibreOffice Draw, which is an svg file representing the kanji 零.
Ideally it would be labelled 零.svg instead of 0f9b2.svg, then it could be plugged into a simple command line and be converted from 零.svg to a gif or png image of the 零 kanji, using the Image Magick command line tools.
An overview:
0f9b2.svg→零.svg→零.gif
>>135083172
If by "drop" you mean the whole deck, then no, don't do that. Keep reviewing what you've learned, but do stop introducing new words (in fact, just delete them). At the end of the day words are words and you need to know all of them. If one source of words motivates you more you should use it instead.
The only real advantage of core past 2k is that the hard work of anki-fying the vocabulary is already done for you. If you don't mind adding words yourself then absolutely go for it.
>>135083241
Oh my, those numbers are scaled wrong when you render it in Draw. Here's Inkscape.
Because the numbers are done as text labels instead of path data, imagemagick /might/ have trouble with scaling them well enough. Sanity test?
>>135083281
>Because the numbers are done as text labels instead of path data, imagemagick /might/ have trouble with scaling them well enough.
Guessing there isn't an easy way to change this? That is a bit of a shame.
>>135083344
Well, you could replace each number with a path describing the shape of the number, but you'd have to make those paths.
That's just if imagemagick doesn't scale them properly, though.
>>135083366
Oh, okay then. Do you have any idea how to automatically change the file name from something like 0f9b2.svg→零.svg?
I don't see any reason why you want to do this but if you want to use rikaichan while reading VNs
http://a.pomf.cat/cobhhn.mp4
> it's the
> furiganainserter addon
> theres a clipboard monitor function
> so if you activate it on a blank page
> you can do that
贅肉
>>135083435
It should be very easy, it's just a unicode codepoint as hex.
>>135078437
The only hard thing about that is memorizing the first 10 and number 20. After that it's a cakewalk.
I don't understand why this isn't a /jp/ thread other than the fact that it's been tainted slightly by being on /a/ for so long.
>>135083993
>slightly
>>135083993
>by being on /a/ for so long.
That is why it remains. Not all things have a great reason for being.
>>135083993
This thread is for /a/nons who want to learn Japanese. We can't keep crossboarders out so you're welcome but if you don't like the way we do things here feel free to make a thread on your home board, /int/ or one of the post-whatever-you-want boards.
>>135084087
/jp/sies aren't crossies, though; there are more original /a/nons from /a/ associated with with /jp/ than modern /a/utists are with /a/. m00t more or less over the years pushed anons out of /a/ while pandering to newfags who worshipped him as "teh leader of anonymouse 4chan".
>>135084164
>/jp/sies aren't crossies, though; there are more original /a/nons
lolno /jp/ is a containment for crossboarding touhou raiders etc
>>135084164
I was talking about the /v/ and /sp/ people we have here. /jp/ is pretty much /a/ but with 2000% more generals and a little bit of 2hu anyway.
>>135084188
When did you start browsing 4chan, anon?
>>135084214
>I was talking about the /v/ and /sp/ people we have here.
That mindset is delusional. These are boogeymen post 2007 spergs use to deflect blame from shitting up their own nest.
>>135083993
People on /jp/ already know Japanese and besides don't want cross-boarding Subhumans from all over 4chan flooding into their board.
>>135084258
Uh, I didn't even say that they are bad posters or anything. I just indicated that they do use or post in these threads.
>>135084258
>When did you start browsing 4chan, anon?
2004
>>135084287
>Uh, I didn't even say that they are bad posters or anything.
Please don't be facetious. You known damn well what labelling people as being "from /v/" or "from /sp/" is understood as on /a/.
Thank you for failing to sage, newfag.
>>135084319
Are you a heavy drinker?
Your memory is atrocious if you really started browsing around 2004.
Is 24 too old to start learning Japanese? Should I just not bother and continue living my unfulfilled life?
>>135084323
>>135084345
I took a three year break after scientology hit.
>>135083564
Is there anyway to bulk convert these values?
Looking at http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~richard/utf-8.html is useful for single file names but I'm looking for something that can parse these values and at the same time rename some 10,000+ characters.
>>135084376
That's what scripting languages are for.
