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>>134116247
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
As a cure for worrying, work is better than whiskey.
敬遠
Noun, Suru verb
1. pretending to respect someone while in fact staying distant from him
2. keeping at a distance
3. kicking upstairs; giving a batter an "intentional walk"
猫
Noun
1. Cat
ONE WEEK
>>134150702
is it pronounced いちにち or ついたち?
>>134150764
今日もひひがんばるぞい！
>>134150853
いまびもひひがんばるぞい, just to clarify.
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2/Script/2301#_=_
Enjoy.
Studying Japanese
>>134150764
いちにち because she's just talking about "today" in the sense of "one more day." ついたち is only used when referring to the first day of the month, or the first day of something.
>>134150764
いちにち is one day
ついたち is first day of the month
>>134151257
>3 on the right
how you think you feel when studying japanese
>guy on the left
what people think about you studying japanese
>>134151309
Although 初日 しょにちwould be more appropriate when referring to the first day of "something." ついたち really is only for the first day of the month.
>>134150975
I see what you did there
>>134151089
>空港に着いたときから、
いつ泣き出すかもしれなかった空は、
ちょっとだけ意地を張り、その涙を冷たい風で凍らせた。
>The tense sky had been threatening to cry even before I had arrived at the airport, and the tears it now finally shed are frozen by the chilly wind.
How would you have TLed that without changing the meaning?
>>134150755
I just want it to be over.
>>134151861
Write it in romajiThen watch the EOPs cry
>>134151861
>The tense sky
>tense
where the fuck did he get this from
>>134152264
Nasu, probably.
>>134151089
So the WA2 translation team is confirmed for incompetent?
mega says download for anki deck is no longer available so how do I get it?
失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した
>>134152976
SHEEP PIE SHTAH
So why does the Heisig RTK anki deck have the english translation as the front card and the kanji on the back
this shit is whack is there a way to put the kanji on the front?
>>134152976
私も失敗しまった…
>>134151861
>Since I arrived at the airport, the sky that (looked like it) might cry at any time, gave in for a just moment, and those (shed) tears were frozen by the cold wind.
Edit it to sound like English now. Their translation gets the meaning well at least, I've seen much worse and this might be just be the result of a liberal translation trying to get the atmosphere of the Japanese across. Overly literal sentences like I just gave suck to read.
>>134151089
>…そんな皮肉めいた見方しかできないのは、
自分の精神状態のせいという可能性も
否定できなかったけど。
>...This pessimistic view of mine, probably my mental state is at fault here. I just couldn't help but be negative.
>>134153158
Why are you doing RTK without reading the book?
What's the standard Anki pack for Kanji that you guys use to start out with?
>>134153506
Clarification: I see the one in the pastebin. Does this one have a name, is it objectively the best / used by all, or are there any alternatives? Simply seeking context.
>>134153488
Because the book doesnt have readings whats the point
>>134153158
RTK is for losers, mate.
>>134150755
I need more time desu.
>>134153586
If you read the book, you wouldn't be asking why the English is on the front.
>>134153158
>>134153586
The purpose of RTK is to help handwrite from memory, so putting kanji on the front is pointless. Get a deck with kanjidic meanings or cloze vocab and put those on the front too if you're worried about inaccurate or confusing keywords. If you're doing RTK for a reason other than handwriting production, then don't waste your time. You should at least read the introduction and the lesson/section introductions.
>>134153236
俺も。。。
>>134153427
>...But I can't deny the possibility that it's the fault of my mental state that I can do nothing but view at things cynically
Is this the correct translation? Because if so, theirs is pretty far off.
>>134153868
But I couldn't*
>>134153868
>>134153902
>>134154091
What?
>>134151861
>ちょっとだけ意地を張り
Doesn't this mean it persisted for a moment? If so why did the tears fall in the first place?
>>134154215
意地を張る
>>134154239
Yeah but that means "to be stubborn" right? So if the sky was stubborn it wouldn't cry.
>>134154280
>>>/jp/14402032
This thread is not for requests. I suggest you delete this post.
>>134154280
Yeah, because we folks on /a/ Anime and Manga, are low on Japanese things to read.
>>134154323
Huh didnt know about that, thanks, will do
>>134154268
Not necessarily. You can be stubborn but still do something. But because you didn't really want to do it but are being forced to, you might purposely fuck it up or do it badly.
>>134154386
Okay, I get what you mean but I still don't see the author's logic in putting that as a clause in the sentence.
>>134154215
口語だと
>ちょっとだけいじっぱり
になるよ。おにいちゃん
Is the general consensus that learning vocabulary (i.e., grinding Core 2K, 6K, 10K) and absorbing kanji indirectly is a better option than learning kanji directly (grinding pure kanji packs in Anki)?
>>134154451
It didn't "want" to rain, but the rain started falling anyway
so it said FUCK YOU ALL and turned it to snow
>>134154498
Do a little bit of direct kanji study until you know most of the radicals, then switch to indirect study. Just stick with direct study if, for some reason, you really need to know how to write in the next year or so (for example trying to pass some study abroad test or something)
>>134154498
The answer to core vs rtk, core vs mined, anki vs reading, tae kim vs genki vs imabi vs japanese the manga way and grinding dobj vs reading is always either "everyone learns differently" or "why not both?"
>>134151089
>窓の外の黒い空が白く薄曇っていくのをリアルタイムで全て視界に収め明けない夜が本当にないということを痛感した。
>Outside the window full of black skies and white snow, everything stored inside my visibility, makes me realize that there's no such thing as a closed night.
>>134154498
After recently finishing the Core5k deck, I still get confused by kanji often. Like I will mix up 存 and 在 or 秘 and 密. I'll remember they are from 存在 and 秘密, but can't remember which is which. I think I am going to make a new card type and go through again learning to write them.
I don't believe in learning readings separately. If a kanji only has one ON reading, then you are better off jsut learning a word, and if it has more than one ON reading then you have to learn each word individually anyway because you can't guess which one it uses.
>>134151861
>空港に着いたときから、
From the time I arrived at the airport,
>いつ泣き出すかもしれなかった空は、
The sky, which might have begun crying at any moment,
>ちょっとだけ意地を張り、その涙を冷たい風で凍らせた。
Resisted for just a moment and then caused those tears to freeze with a cold wind.
This makes sense, I think.
>>134154498
I started doing core 2k directly after doing tae kim grammar and I would have benefited greatly from learning radicals first.
>>134154755
If you want to learn how to write them and not bother with the readings, sounds like RTK might just be up your alley.
>>134154860
I've thought about it, but I don't want to deal with the English keywords since I already know ~5k Japanese words. I've found a deck that uses Japanese keywords, but I'm not sure how it will work with the mnemonics. I might have to experiment. I am also wondering how much better mnemonics are compared to rote memorization.
Where should one be after one year of study?
>>134155108
N1.5
Here's a promising resource I haven't seen discussed around these threads much: WaniKani.
What do you guys think about it? It lets you grind radicals, kanji, and vocab readings via spaced repetition, ultimately up to 2K kanji and 6K vocab.
Would I be losing anything at all by using this as my primary resource, then moving on to say, Core 10K and reading VNs once I've exhausted the available material?
>>134155246
It is literally mentioned in the past 5 threads with the exact same response that the same guy has been posting and will probably use to reply to you now
>>134155172
You think that you can actually pass Level N2 after a single year?
>>134155246
Unless you like shittier versions of Anki that cost $50, I wouldn't recommend it. Besides, all of their data is in Anki format in the Cornucopia.
>>134155306
I can do it
>>134155306
As long as you're not a faggot.
>>134155246
If you're going to use Anki for Core 10K anyway, why not use it for kanji too? It's better than WaniKani and doesn't cost any money.
>>134155246
It's just anki with a pretty interface. Don't bother unless you need structure or something like that.
How hard is the average nukige? Considering picking one up alongside Flyable Heart for compelling masturbation material when I get bored of Flyable Heart, but I'm not sure how easy they are compared to Flyable Heart or which ones are really good while still being easy to read.
>>134155375
why would you think nukige is hard
>>134155375
I hope you know all the sexual words already
I think setting goals for 1 year in is kind of foolish, because I mean, there's no meaningful way to quantify progress on a universal scale. Know X kanji and X words? Read X VNs? Nah, I don't think that's a productive mindset (though setting short term goals like 20 words a day, 1 VN a month, etc, is productive). Instead, just know that Time Advances, so study as much as you can each day. Treat time like the limited commodity it is and don't waste time. Study. In a year, you'll be better than before; in two years, even better, and so on. Somewhere along the way, you'll hit fluency.
Does anyone else here find that they burp alot when they study Japanese?
>>134155398
I don't know, I've never read one. So it's safe to assume almost all of them are just as easy as Flyable Heart outside of the sex scenes?
>>134155415
I don't. Maybe I should make a lewd mining deck while reading it, that'll be fun. Or just mix them into my normal deck and get surprise lewd words every once in a while.
>>134155501
mountain dew is bad for you
>猪飼の部屋でセックスをし、その後で猪飼に教わりながら料理をし、ちゃぶ台を挟んで一緒に食事もし、食事を済ませたら片付けもそこそこにセックスを再開する
I've seen like this before where they just use the stem of the verb. Can someone explain that?
>>134155375
Nukige are just as hard as Moege, grammatically speaking. Pic related. The first nukige I read was just as hard as Flyable Heart, I think. The thing is, though, nukige is so sex centric that the vocab level tends to be smaller than moege. Tends. Some nukige like Hoshizora no Bablyon and Kangoku Senkan even surpass moege. If you stick to SOL nukige you'll find a lower vocab ceiling, but probably nothing easier than Flyable Heart grammatically.
>>134155516
> lewd mining deck
I had the same idea but it petered out, words like 淫乱 I just stuck in my normal deck, and words like おちんちん・ちんぽ・ちんこ etc are piss easy to remember even without anki because you'll see them so much.
>>134155516
>just mix them into my normal deck and get surprise lewd words every once in a while.
That's what I do. It kind sucks when I'm doing anki in public but then again I'm pass the point of giving a fuck anymore.
>>134155536
But I need the caffeine.
日本語の習得は難しいよ。
でもあなたに日本語は楽しかった。って思ってほしいの
>>134155554
By the way, I meant pic related as in "here's a normal nukige line that's unremarkable", not "are you a BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO READ A MOTHER FUCKING MAX DIFFICULTY NUKIGE LINE!?"
Pic related is max difficulty nukige
If you did everything right, could you have passed JLPT N1 from scratch in one year?
>>134155550
They teach you that in tae kim. I forget where exactly but its in there somewhere
>>134155620
Gooks and chinks do it.
>>134155637
For realsies?
>>134155620
If you have enough free time and study consistently, then definitely.
>>134155620
英語が母語だと、３年か６年かあるいは１０年
>>134155597
>"here's a normal nukige line that's unremarkable", not "are you a BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO READ A MOTHER FUCKING MAX DIFFICULTY NUKIGE LINE!?"
I expected that to be the case, but that doesn't change the dopamine release when I could read it
>>134155554
>>134155597
I guess I'll just search around with fetish tags on vndb and find something that interests me then, thanks. Any places to look other than vndb?
>>134155620
I honestly want to disencourage any from making N1 in 1 year a goal. It's unreasonable - not impossible, but unreasonable. It's something you'll fail, just straight up. 2 years is far more reasonable, but still enough of a challenge to make you push yourself, I would suggest making that your goal. 1 year is just super tight and super hard.
>>134155706
Then you can definitely pick up a nukige no worries. That's about standard really. I only posted that disclaimer because I predicted someone replying calling it piss easy and me a baby for implying it's hard.
>>134155728
Uuhhh, dlsite and getchu I guess? To be honest I browse the /hgg/ thread on /vg/ to keep up with porn, not to mention I literally have a backlog of several hundred nukige to play (I went through 1,000 vns (everything rated 6.5 or above) on vndb and favorited all the stuff that looked good). If you find a company you like (miel, bishop dieselmine etc) you instantly have tons of games to play.
>>134155770
oh I'm not him, I was just browsing and did the good ol' "can I read this random image?"
>>134155550
In Japanese the verb stem is called 連用形, the continuative form. It implies that something is going to follow the verb, in much the same way that the te-form does.
And like the te-form, it can be used to link multiple sentences. You could replace those し's in your example with して and it would hardly change the meaning at all. Using the stem instead of the te-form just sounds more professional and literary.
>>134155637
>>134155668
makes sense if you think about it
>chinks know all the kanji already
>gooks know all the grammar, jukugo, and some kanji already
>>134155770
Not either of them, but have you read the 美少女万華鏡 VNs? Pic related makes me diamonds but I'm afraid to read it too early and ruin it (even if it's "just a nukige")
>>134155857
>jukugo and some kanji
that seems contradictory
>>134155870
yeah, should have clarified I guess
think knowing all the jukugo but in kana representation, but you also have an understanding of what each of the individual on-yomi mean. For example, you know that what かんじ is, and what it means, and that the かん refers to "sino", and the じ refers to "character", but you might not know that it's written as 漢字
>>134155868
They're on my backlog.
I read a bunch of nukige (10-15ish) before I played my "dream nukige" and it really payed off, I think, I read it no problem and was rock hard the whole time, fapped a ton. So waiting is a fine course of action, there's lots of good stuff to fap to in the meantime.
A lot of people talk about "manning up" and just reading what you want to read but in my experience I really did crush and ruin the experience of some VNs due to poor grasp on the language. I definitely suggest putting off any VNs you're really hype about until you've finished 3-4 before it.
>>134152929
Which deck, anon?
>>134153586
>whats the point
Clearly something you have missed entirely.
>落葉広葉樹
>>134155960
What about 彼女×彼女×彼女? Have you read that? Noticed that's from the same people and I don't really care as much if I ruin that one a bit.
>>134156362
I actually did read some of that. It seemed to me to be something you could enjoy even while struggling through it, so yeah, it'd be great preparation for 美少女万華鏡.
The biggest concern when "ruining" VNs is grammar. Do you have to pause every single line to think about the grammar? Do you find yourself only hazily understanding what's going on? If so then practicing on more throwaway (but still compelling) VNs is wise before moving on to stuff you value highly.
>>134155246
>Here's a promising resource I haven't seen discussed around these threads much: WaniKani.
Jesus Christ, this is the worst attempt at promotion I've ever seen. At least do an archive search for WK if you are genuine.
>でんぷんをとったり
I-Is this telling me to sumo throw some starch?
>>134155327
Tell me your plan and I'll try to stick to it and pull it off as well.
>>134156444
Alright, thanks. I'll probably give it a shot.Sexually dominant (without pegging and cbt shit) anime girls who don't have massive cowtits make me rock hard, and both of those have one of those.
>>134155431
But is it okay to waste time? Is being too strict with time okay?
>>134155620
What is everything in this case?
>>134156608
There's a quote from a man I respect that goes like this:
"I don't make budgets. I just individually consider each purchase as it comes to me and decide if it's worth it right there.".
In short, don't worry about budgeting time. Don't worry about being strict, don't worry about being wasteful. Just be AWARE. Is what you're doing right now worthwhile to you? Is what you're doing right now a good use of time? Keep that in mind, and also keep in mind that studying more is pretty much always objectively better than studying less. Making goals (1 vn a month or 20 new words a day for example) is also good, it won't exactly force a schedule on you but it will encourage your behavior into studying more and studying effectively.Of course, here I am shitposting on 4chan.
>>134156532
デンプンを取/摂ったり
sumoh のとった↑りとは発音がちがうよ。おにいちゃん
あと、sumohのあれはsoltらしいよ
>>134156532
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/compound
scroll down to the end
>>134154498
I'm doing pure Kanji until mastering Grade 1-6. Planning on moving to a vocab deck after.
This plan is likely super suboptimal but I'm addicted and find it fun. Been picking up some vocab from the examples with each Kanji but that's clearly not a lot.
>>134156809
I'm thinking of doing all of those kanji first too, but I don't know. It's not all that useful if I'm going to forget it by not using it.
>take N2 practice test
>60%
1.5 years wasted
>>134156358
http://pastebin.com/GTT1bgm9
This one.
>>134156884
Well, at least 60% is way better than the 0% you had before you started.
>>134156848
I don't recommend it. I'm only doing pure Kanji at the moment because I had 2 years of university Japanese and somehow got by without knowing Kanji for shit so I have a rudimentary familiarity with vocabulary.
I was planning of doing all of 常用漢字 but I think at some point you'll get bored and want some more easily noticeable benefits to your grind. Getting to Grade 6 is really just a vanity goal for me at this point.
>>134154498
In the beginning, I did only genki 1-2 (grammar and kanji) + kanjidamage for like 30-60 total minutes of study a day, until I had like 1000 kanji down pat (reading/writing from memory, on-yomi and 1-2+ compound words, maybe kun-yomi) and with that, I could breeze through core6k with good retention in <1 month, could go 200-300 new words a day for some periods.
But that's just me, I really don't think it matters which approach you choose as long as you stick to it.
>>134156912
I was typing up a shitpost to >>134155306 about N2 being piss easy or something but then thought I should back myself up first, and lo and behold my foundations have crumbled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdVCW40EFfo
Japanese take a lots of drugs?
>>134156894
Up to date pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi
I assume you either got that link from the pastebin that hasn't been updated in years or from the guide which has an outdated link that slipped through.
>>134157002
Your English is shit.
>>134156728
ありがとう相撲
>>134157205
どすこい、ごっっつぁんです
>>134156948
You studied Japanese in an academic setting for two years and didn't even learn up to grade 6 jouyou kanji? What the fuck do they do in Japanese university classes?
>>134157284
>>134157002
You do need a lot of drugs if you want to learn Japanese effectively.
>>134157284
this is why you don't take Japanese classes
they're catered to the biggest retards who sign up, who on top of [can't even learn japanese] don't even have the motivation to self study
>>134157318
What's the name of this anime senpai?
>>134157360
アウトブレイク・カンパニー
>>134157353
You obviously took the wrong class.
The ones here, it's two years getting you ready, then a year in a Japanese university, and then you either come back and do the stuff you'll need to do Japanese in an academic setting, or you get a job and never come back.
>>134157284
Not very much to be honest. Academia politics is quite harmful. In my school's case, the Japanese department was marginal and each semester, the professors had to lobby for kids to sign up for the following year. And given that Japanese is so rough at the onset, the professors are incentivized to make the class as easy and beginner friendly as possible so the sheltered students won't drop the course to protect their GPA or whatnot.
Kanji wasn't even taught until like halfway through the first semester. I think we formally covered some number slightly south of 250 Kanji within those 2 years?
甕
>>134157463
I wish I could do an exchange, but my program has really specific course requirements that I won't be able to get credit for at Japanese universities
>>134157534
よめるし、いみもわかるけど、絶対書けない漢字だ。
>>134157500
In the UK, we just screen out all the dumbasses who won't be able to hack it before they ever make it through the door.
I've been reading 次第 as じだい for literally over a year
>>134157831
I can't even make fun of you for that, I just feel bad for you
月曜日、仕事、嫌だ
>>134157882
>being a wagekek
>>134157284
First two years of Japanese classes:
Genki (takes the entire two years)
Vocabulary lists, which is an utterly fucking backwards way to learn.
Very slow progress through their writing system (might not even get to kana in the first semester; might know a couple hundred kanji at most at the end of the first year)
Ridiculously basic reading.
Stupid practice exercises, like how to board a train.
Presentations in broken Japanese.
In other words, you basically waste two years doing a mixture of shit that should take you 20% of the amount of time that it takes you in class + shit that you shouldn't be doing at all. Furthermore, you can forget about fun, high resonance things like reading material that you actually care about.
The only people who will benefit from classes are people who are so prone towards slacking off that even the snail-paced classes will give them better results than they'd get taking charge of their own learning, i.e. those people who have been "studying" Japanese for a decade but would still struggle with the N3.
>>134157882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TSFEG9luos
>>134157831
I read 中庭 as ちゅうてい for a couple months until I saw it with furigana in a manga
>>134157831
I just saw this word for the first time today, but I was also reading it じだい until I saw your post...
>>134157993
>leaching off of your parents/welfare for forever
Go take a trip to a trip through a filthy, impoverished third world shithole. This is what your home would look like if more people than not thought the same way that you do. Chronic laziness, shortsightedness, and stupidity are often among the biggest problems facing underdeveloped countries. Next, go find the low income housing areas in your city. If you don't get your act together, your future is there. Or worse, find the homeless people that you can smell down the street, because your future might be with them.
Understand what it is that enables you to sit at your desk in your clean living quarters with food, plumbing, electricity, and the internet, and get your ass to work.
>>134158178
>>134158216
Your argument doesn't work on me because every single job in my area is fast food type stuff that doesn't support society in a meaningful way at all.
>>134158222
>>134158216
I want /pol/ to leave.
>>134158216
lol wageslave
>>134157072
He's Pantsu-ya obviously
>>134158216
joke's on you my wife's boyfriend is rich
>>134158306
There was nothing even remotely /pol/-esque about his post, you dumb nigger.
How do you NEETs survive, anyway? Do your countries really provide sufficient welfare to live on indefinitely, or are you all just leeching off your parents?
>>134158559
welfare + few expenses because of parent leeching seems to be the general case, as far as I'm aware
>>134158559
I worked really long hours in oil for 4 years after high school and have 300k savings but spend less than $10k a year.
I'm eventually going to have to actually do shit though
>>134158722
>not letting the interest build off of that
Friend..
Just starting out - pretty confused about kanji. In particular, the difference between the following concepts:
- "meaning" of a kanji (kun vs on?)
- kun reading of a kanji (sound)
- on reading of a kanji (sound)
- the role of a kanji within a vocabulary word, sound wise
- the role of a kanji within a vocabulary word, meaning wise
Here's an example to illustrate my confusion.
Looking up お母さん on Jisho, see pic related.
It contains 母, meaning "mother". The readings are "Kun: はは、 も
On: ボ". It is pronounced 【おかあさん】.
So my confusion is as follows:
1. With the pronunciation of 【おかあさん】, by correspondence to お母さん, I would expect to see 母 have a reading of かあ. Why is this not so - is my understanding of kanji flawed?
2. Follow-up from 1: If かあ does not appear to be associated with 母, how am I supposed to know how to read お母さん?
3. Why not use 母 standalone to convey "mother" if the full meaning is already embedded within it, and it even has a kun reading?
Would appreciate if someone could clear these points up and possibly explain the context of kanji's use within the language with respect to what I just brought up. I feel as though I have a fundamental misunderstanding of what's going on. It's hard to bash away on Anki mercilessly when I'm uncertain about what it is I am actually learning and its role within the language.
>>134158722
$300,000 in an index stock fund would be $6,000~ a month every month with no input from yourself
seriously look into it. vanguard stock fund, betterment, etc.
>>134158806
>1. With the pronunciation of 【おかあさん】, by correspondence to お母さん, I would expect to see 母 have a reading of かあ. Why is this not so - is my understanding of kanji flawed?
Because fuck you.
>2. Follow-up from 1: If かあ does not appear to be associated with 母, how am I supposed to know how to read お母さん?
Because fuck you.
>3. Why not use 母 standalone to convey "mother" if the full meaning is already embedded within it, and it even has a kun reading?
Because fuck you.
>>134158559
I will kill myself after this season will end. I actually wanted to live more to watch next season of Yuru Yuri (if they will keep making it), but I'm too tired of living these days.
>>134158722
How do you spend less than 10k a year? Tell me your secrets.
>>134158806
The real answer is that Chinese characters were applied to Japanese in the ancient past, AFTER Japanese already existed. So, you have a lot of words from ancient Japanese (今日・きょう for example) that had kanji just slapped over it with no regards for readings at all. Those are all exceptions and you just have to learn them as they come.
>>134158806
Kun readings are usually used when a Kanji is alone or with hiragana.
On is used when multiple kanji are used.
The 'rule' is broken sometimes.
Some words just have fucked up pronunciations and you just have to know the pronunciation.
>>134158256
Your community would fall apart if it didn't have any skilled workers.
Here's an idea: Do some research on your town. With a town like that, there's bound to be something that the locals feel to be lacking. Go enroll in college somewhere, aiming for a degree that will empower you to fill that role. Use student loans to pay for lodging, and then get a job to supplement. After you get your degree, go work get some experience in the field. Then, return to town and do some entrepreneuring.
Alternatively, you can just leave your little town behind. Maybe you can even work in Tokyo, and visit Akihabara a few times per week!
>>134158902
>>134158903
So お母さん is just a special case I happened to stumble upon that is an example of fucked up ancient pronunciation?
>>134158923
I have an idea of my own.
I will take a gun, walk into a forest, and shoot myself in the head... not! The gun is unloaded.
I will return home.
If I had died at that moment, nothing in the world would have significantly changed. My town would have continued functioning with no problems.
Therefore, I can continue existing as a NEET, no worries. Because I have metaphorically died. And the world did not care.
What do you say to that?
>>134158806
Think of it like this, when a kanji doesn't use the on-yomi (borrowed from Chinese), it is actually being used to represent a native Japanese word that originated completely separately from kanji (not sure to what extent this part is true, but go with it). Which kanji was chosen to represent the already existing, native Japanese word for mother, おかあさん? 母 was chosen (probably because it means mother in Chinese) to represent the かあ (probably because お and さん are already individual pieces that have their own representations).
There's another word that already existed: はは, for mother. Which kanji was chosen to represent it? 母, coincidentally (again, probably because it means mother already).
Because there might be a lot of unique pronunciations for a kanji in different words, all those kun-yomi might not be listed individually, and you might have to get used to it through experience.
Hope this helped.
Would anybody do a write up of their experience studying for the JLPT? I'd be interested in reading how someone went about studying for the N2 or whatever - like, how do you break down practice time, into learning what, and so on?
>>134158941
Yes. There is other shit too like
場合 is read baai but it uses both kun readings instead of on like you would expect.
>>134158941
There are many many words like that so it's not particularly rare or ancient tomfoolery. You'll see it all over the place. And it's not that the ancient pronunciation is fucked. It's that Chinese hit Japanese like a god-damn truck, and a huge amount of Japanese vocabulary is directly descended from Chinese and has adopted to fit kanji. However, a lot of words (mainly commonplace and essential ones like お母さん) resisted Chinese and remained Japanese, yet were still written in kanji because that's just how life is.
>>134158775
>>134158833
No I know I can support myself indefinitely it's just that I only go outside once every couple weeks and don't think being a hikkimori and living in a shitbox is is healthy
>>134158991
I'm going in raw for N2 (i.e. no direct preparation for the test). Did genki and kanjidamage way back in the beginning, then core6k, then started reading VNs and anki mining, and of course, have always watched anime (just for entertainment, not for studying, so English subs, but that's still some mild listening practice). The only JLPT-specific studying I've done is the N3-N2 grammar videos by 日本語の森 (made anki cards for those). I'm in this ride because "I want to become fluent in Japanese", not "I want to pass a test designed to test fluency in Japanese", but on the road to the former, I feel I'll be able to reach the latter by default.
Of course, this is assuming I don't get blown the fuck out on the test, but I highly doubt that since I can say with confidence that I at least know Japanese to a reasonable extent.
>>134159122
An inspiration for us all.
>>134159122
Why not just take a single practice test? Will save you the time and money of taking a real test, and since you don't care about passing a test you it shouldn't be a big deal.
>>134159064
水木先生…( ;∀;)
ご冥福をお祈りいたします
>>134159209
水木大先生亡くなってたの？
あの世に漫画を描きに行ったのな
>>134159233
http://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6182543
どうやらガチらしい
おばけは死なないんじゃなかったのかよ…
I've started studying Japanese 8+ hours a day as a way of procrastinating studying for my finals.
>tfw might fail a few courses
>>134159260
涙出てきた。とまらない
>>134159200
I probably should take a practice test, if for anything, to see where I can improve my Japanese in general.
I'm taking the test so I have some objective measure (let's not get "that" debate going, you get the idea of what I mean) of my competence.
e.g.
>oh anon, you self-study Japanese? how good are you?
>well, I took a practice JLPT N(x) test in the freedom of my own home and passed
>oh... I'm sure you're quite good and not an idiot who claims to have been studying Japanese for x years but actually knows a <4 digit number of kanji
I know that at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what other people think, but it's not like I'm so poor that I can't afford taking the test to avoid (in my opinion) a worthwhile amount of judgment from others.
やなせたかしってもう死んだんだっけ
WPMスレにいる外人はワンパンマンの元ネタ知ってると思えないんだが
>>134158971
I would redirect you to my first post on the topic. I would also remind you that you are not as much of a non-entity as you'd like to believe, as you eat and make use of services (you're obviously on the internet right now) just like the rest of us, and someone is paying for that.
People like you are a problem. You take things, but you don't give anything back. You say that those fast food workers contribute nothing, but if that were true, McDonalds wouldn't be willing to pay them. Thanks to them, people can eat at McDonalds. Someone needs to run the grill. Thanks to the Wal-Mart greeter, some faggot doesn't get away with stealing. Thanks to the dude stocking the racks at Marshall's, your mom gets a new pair of jeans for cheap. The vast majority of people who get paid do something that helps society function. Maybe your local Marshall's really needs an additional employee to get everything from the store room out to the floor in a timely manner so that it might be purchased, and you can be just the man for the job.
Or even better, you can get yourself an education, and be the guy who handles the logistics for Marshall's on a corporate level.
>>134159320
>should I study for that exam?
>nah, I'll play some moege, I mean that's still actually productive because I'm studying Japanese, right!
>before you know it, hours and hours have passed
Is amphetamine use still rampant?
Would you recommend the use of anything?
>>134159379
This kind of shilling for the Jews should be a bannable offence. Why don't you go rim your kike boss's asshole, wagekek.
>>134159379
I direct you to my most about the contribution being meaningful. If fast food disappeared from earth entirely then society would be better off for it. Are you telling me to participate in a malignant cancer on society's backside? My moral consciousness won't allow it.
Also, I don't mind taking. These were made to make society better, not in some kind of global transaction of "you only get internet if you have a job". I will thank them and accept the internet. Furthermore, I don't think the dudes at the internet ISP headquarters or wherever give a single fuck about me.
>>134158971
Although I do not agree with your stance overall, and I believe that >>134159379 does a good job in refuting it, I like this particular argument/hypothetical setup a lot (although I doubt it was entirely original).
>>134159453
Yeah, you sure are doing a good job fighting those Jews by sitting at home and leaching off of mom and dad. You are truly a model citizen. Society would flourish if we behaved more like third worlders. It totally wouldn't fall apart and leave everyone starving within the week. Good luck learning Japanese with no electricity on an empty belly, retard.
>>134159487
Where would you get food and clothes if all of the retails workers just decided that their contributions were meaningless and stopped working?
All of these services are provided to you by individuals who work. The dude who manages your internet might not give a fuck about you personally, but he does give a fuck about not being able to find jeans at Marshall's because his size is sitting in the back in a box due to understaffing. By working at Marshall's, you would save him a few bucks, both by the price of the jeans and the by the gas that he'd have to spend to go over to Kohl's. Furthermore, the money that you earn at your job is what allows him to get paid at his job. You get internet, he gets jeans, you both get money. It's a win-win for both of you. It turns out that the two of you are tied closer than you realized.
>Do kanjidamage
>10 kanji per day (reading + writing both on/kunyomi)
>Takes me 1/3rd of a year, finished a week ago
>50% failure rate
Time to kill myself
あたしは外で泣く
>>134159756
You should've slowed down on the new kanji/day when your retention started dipping, but still, 1/3 of a year to finish it, even with 50% failure is really good. Now that you don't have any new ones to add, it won't take long at all for you to review them until you've got them all down, and then it'll only be even smoother sailing from there. 頑張ってアノンくん！！
>>134159720
Have a you.
>>134157387
>アウトブレイク
>outbreak
>アウト ブレイク
>auto break
>original meaning was obviously car breaks
GODDAMMIT JAPS
>>134159720
Rice isn't mcdonalds
>>134160024
>>134160024
オート
>>134160105
>auto is オート when it should be アウト
>out is アウト when it should be オート
The Anglo Jew strikes again
>>134160024
The problem is the Anglo language, it's not the Japanese fault.
>しょうめい
>means proof
>means illumination
>>134159852
Thanks for the encouragement, but my issue is forgetting stuff I thought I had memorised; suddenly a card I hit Easy on several times blindsides me after a month, and now my brain can't interpret it anymore- so I start seeing it every day, "learn it"/hit easy and the cycle repeats. Maybe something is wrong with my long-term memory processing.
Another problem is that Kanjidamage taught me a ton of definitons that are incorrect. So not only was Kanjidamage a bad study method (for me) it was a bad resource for study.
Rather than killing myself though I think I might stop learning Japanese for a couple months to a year, purge my mind of everything to do with KD, come back once the damage has been undone and maybe try RTK in conjunction with a core deck, Genki (tae kim didn't work for me either) and proper reading practice. Learning stroke order this time around might help too.
>>134158216
Most of the leaches actually live in first world. They were by-products of industrialism and capitalism. There are a lot of hard working people in third world shitholes rather than developed nations.
>>134160369
I alone harbor 90% of the world's leeches in my Anki deck.
>>134157284
You have to understand that at most people will be doing maybe two tutorials a week which covers the content overview in the one lecture of the week. A lot of people here seem to have absolutely no understanding of how university degrees work. You don't get a Degree of Japanese, you get a Bachelor of Arts with a major in Japanese, and your major only really opens up towards the end of the degree in respect to elective classes.
Unless is it some sort of specialised language degree, which is essentially either not officially recognised or very rare to be offered. Let's say you take four~six courses in your degree for the semester, likely only one class will be your Japanese course main credit earner and perhaps an elective either worth one or two course credits, or no credits at all.
You study a lot more than just Japanese in a degree with a major in Japanese. The entire point of a Bachelor of Arts is to give the students the option to study as wide as they can without being pigeon-holed into a narrow course of study. You don't even have to declare your major until you are nearing completion of the degree, provided you have earned the course credits.
Comparing a major of an Arts degree in a language with a personal course of study entirely dedicated to a single topic is at best an unfortunate comparison of apples and oranges.
>>134160297
>means literally everything
>>134160307
1. Stop hitting easy until you're done #2
2. Over time, you WILL learn (not relearn, because it's possible for a bunch of them, you never even "knew" them anyway) the vast majority of the ones you thought you knew, but you can't let it get to you and quit halfway, otherwise it'll all be for nothing
3. I don't really think the "incorrect" definitions in kanjidamage are relevant, since a) IIRC there weren't many incorrect ones, minus radicals, which I ignored entirely anyway, and b) as long as you can identify a character, know how it's pronounced, and know the vocab it's a part of, you'll gradually get a sense for yourself in your head of what a particular kanji "means" anyway, regardless of what you learned it to mean
4. Don't bother with switching to RTK this far in
5. Do core and genki
6. You don't have to be in a rush to read, it'll be very hard without vocab (to the point of not really even being helpful)
7. Learn stroke order if you can, but there are more important things to be focusing on right now if you're limited with time, etc.
I started with Kanjidamage being the vast majority of my early studying, and I turned out fine. Vocab (I recommend core6k) will now be a breeze, I guarantee it, and after that, you'll be at the same intermediate point that you would've reached via any method. Don't give up, I swear to god, you can do it.
Thoughts on japaneseclass?
I consistently get40-50% on Anki. What am I doingwrong[/spoiler?
>>134160369
Not true at all. They let their communities rot, and try to make all of their cash by stealing from those few who actually do work. Furthermore, when someone starts holding them to standards (i.e. show up to the meeting on time), they bitch and moan.
Furthermore, this corruption and laziness hits them even more, because it renders them incapable of creating a safe community where they don't have anyone and everyone trying to rob them blind, including the police, who are smoking weed on the job and going wild due to the country's culture lacking anything resembling professionalism. You practically have a country filled with Malcolm X follower-type black people, or meth community sorts who sit on their porch all day. It's not an accident that their countries suck.
The core most reasons as to why developed countries function is because they get educated, show up to work at nine, don't leave until five, get held to standards on the job, don't go around stealing shit from other people, and don't let problems get so bad that it ruins them. In the past, when these types of issues have festered enough in the west that it was resulting in something that resembled an underdeveloped country (see: the early industrial period), the people basically shut things down until it was fixed.
日本語はむずかしです。
>>134160688
>What am I doing wrong?
Worrying too much about your correct % on Anki. The only percentage that matters is your % mature cards correct.
>>134160688
You need to put a bracket at the end.
>>134160692
むずかしい
>>134160688
Study every day
Get reviews down to zero every day
Lower the amount of new cards
If kanji is the problem, consider starting kanji damage
>>134159720
But due to the hard work of other people slaving away 8 hours a week to maintain society, NEETs can afford to live a blissful, work-free life of VNs and anime. Is it not stupidity to refuse such an opportunity? Why would you make the active choice to spend over a third of your waking life doing something you don't enjoy, in fact actively detest, when it is perfectly possible in modern society to avoid it. Sure, it is true that if everyone did this, civilisation would collapse, but that's not realistically going to occur. Morals and a sense of duty to humanity is a fine thing and all, but if forced to choose between them and a blissful, perfect life, why would I choose the former?
>>134158559
Living with parent and step family after fucking up life. On welfare but even with the maximum amount of welfare possible it would maybe just cover the cost of renting a shitty one bedroom unit, leaving almost nothing for electricity, etc. Even then no real estate agent would let me rent a house even if I could hypothetically afford it. They all want people who earn stupid amounts of money, not quiet almost 30 something single males who wouldn't complain even if the plumbing stopped working.
Basically life is complete shit, dealing with poorly handled mental illnesses and if I don't get a job soon I'll find some way to remove my burden from society, even if it means suicide. I don't know how people can be content with being a leech. It is the worst feeling in the world, and on top of that you have to share your personal space with other people, which is the second worst feeling in the world. Could pretty happily work as few hours as possible in order to cover basic living expenses and even the shittiest one bedroom place would be the best thing to happen in the past decade.
I think when you really boil it down, a lot of the NEETs here survive at the cost of their mental health and completely destroy any sense of self worth in the progress. Wageslaves may be slaves but at least their owners allow them to do as they feel outside of working hours. Most NEETs basically relinquish all freedom at the cost of maintaining their lifestyles, often involving rather complex situations which make it very, very hard to get out of. There are some who are just born into rich families who support their lifestyles and don't suffer from it, but those are likely in the extreme minority.
>>134158806
>I would expect to see 母 have a reading of かあ
There is one, かか. The pronunciation has just changed a bit in the word お母さん.
犭犭犭犭犭狼
>>134160858
Why is the debt not reciprocal? - whatever hypothetical burden you believe yourself to be upon society is the sum of an exact degree of failures and neglect by the same members of society you kowtow to; which is really fucking pathetic, considering.
You're like a slave who feels sorry for his master.
>>134161029
Stop blaming other people for your failures, snowflake and learn how to take personal responsibility.
>>134160757
Because poverty awaits you in the future. Your parents won't be able to support you for forever. If you prepare now, you'll be damn grateful that you did when you're 50 and living comfortably in a nice house rather than under an overpass with smelly clothes and a tin can.
On the subject of your parents, do you feel no guilt whatsoever taking thousands of dollars from them every year? Or if not your parents, then what about the tax payers, along with those who aren't failing to make money by choice who might suffer due to your selfishness? Taking care of you isn't free.
Also, don't shit on working before you try it, anon. Working has its boons. You get to experience all kinds of things that you wouldn't experience in your room, you get to meet people (whom you might find more amiable than you would think; humans are social animals, and even the most introverted of us benefit from face to face interaction), you get some respect, and you get money to play with. If you can find something that's both enjoyable to you and that makes you a lot of money, that's even better.
Lastly, don't underestimate a problem's capacity to grow. It might not seem like much now, but there's clearly a culture of people (especially men) who leech off of their parents that wasn't there twenty years ago. It could get bad. Make sure that you're a part of the solution, not the problem.
>>134160858
NEET life doesn't seem quite so blissful after all. My ideal lifestyle is something more like >>134158722 where I can afford to live fine alone without having to work, but also don't have to worry about day-to-day expenses.
>>134161071
Lmao only if you take responsibility for eating my dick loser.
>>134160858
This is absolutely spot on. Plus, for me it also means going on weekly activities for that sweet neetbux. Sorry for responding to off-topic stuff.
>>134161029
Working only seems like slavery if you're narrow minded. In truth, you're a free man who can leave for greener pastures when the time is right, even using his employers as a stepping stone on the road to greater pay and better work. I've done that myself. You hold far more power than your employer would like you to believe, especially if you're a competent worker whom they rely on to get things done.
Slavery implies a complete lack of freedom, and minimal to no reward for services earned. Having to give something in order to receive something isn't called slavery, that's called not being a parasite. You can only enjoy your self-centered world view without starving to death because most other people aren't as self-centered as you are, including your parents.
>>134161089
Again, while obviously some guilt remains for leeching off parents and taxpayers, I feel the benefits of a blissfully happy life far outweigh them. You only live once, to spend it slaving away for the purposes of others at the expense of yourself is folly. Maybe society will collapse one day due to people like us, but no one individual will make a difference - my personal choice affects me alone.
But of course, this only applies to shitty jobs, that which are boring, dull, repetitive and meaningless. If you can find a job you enjoy, actively take pleasure in, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. The problem is the difficulty in finding such work.
>>134161330
>Slavery must refer to physical labour.
lolno you're a slave in mind - hence why you think anything otherwise is "narrow minded"; which, by the way, you're talking about on a fucking internet forum in front of other NEETs, able bodies, and fuck ups.
Why the fuck are you so obsessed with jobs as well like what the fuck? First you want people to bow down to some fucking diety of society to which you owe an obligation and then it's "nah you're more powerful than you think lads" maybe you should take your own considered advice and accept the fact you've been behind a computer for too long and it's starting to get to you.
Oh, I forgot, when it's socially acceptable slavery - when the extraction of surplus value from the product of labour occurs - it's actually to the material benefit of all. Like, who doesn't have a self centred view. Nigga, you're just displaced af because you a) haven't got any friends because you post shit like this on internet forums and b) do so in Japanese Learning threads like nigger sort out your life before you go around well wishing others who are as gullible as you.
>>134161330
Just replying to you makes me feel sick holy shit shut up and just let the JLPT fucks get on with helping each other out they don't need this shit.
>>134161330
>In truth, you're a free man who can leave for greener pastures when the time is right
Depends on the industry. eg. Try getting a job with scientific credentials.
I'm personally overqualified for everything but research positions, so no regular employer will hire me, and my government recently cut funding to health research. So now you've got this fucked up situation where post-docs (people with 8+ years of tertiary education) are applying for entry-level lab assistant positions.
I'm a NEET with two degrees, and despite wanting a job my prospects are absolute garbage. I could study medicine, but your degree is moot if you can't land an internship placement and all my country's hospitals are reducing the number of places available. I could do another degree and study teaching, but chances are good every other unemployed scientist have come to the same conclusion and the country will be inundated with teachers in the coming years. System sales? Administration? No experience.
Yeah, I'm pretty much fucked.
>>134161557
Jesus Christ this is the stuff I hear in anecdotes all the time
knowing that there are actually people like this is depressing just to think about
>>134161386
Society is a combination of individual wills. Everyone's choice matters, including yours.
Consider a poor black neighborhood, for example. One man steals from another, and claims that it's not his problem. However, the person that he steals from becomes poorer, and might turn to thievery himself. Also, his friends begin to see thievery as being socially acceptable, and start stealing things themselves. With the rise of break ins, businesses avoid the neighborhood, which makes it even poorer. His decision to steal has strongly contributed to the destruction of his whole neighborhood, and the ruining of his own opportunities in life.
You might not be stealing, but your lifestyle and your attempts to defend it spread the problem around by making it more socially acceptable. Too many people sitting around and being a burden instead of learning skills and contributing can turn into a major problem for the parents as they become elderly, the homeless population, welfare, shortages in skilled workers, and all other kinds of problems. The fact that you don't want to see the problems that you cause doesn't make them go away.
>>134161445
Nowhere in my post did I say anything about physical labor. Read it and then come back to me.
>>134161557
I can't help you there, but your local temp agency or employment agency might be able to, even if it's just a class to give you advice.
>>134161625
>Nowhere in my post did I say anything about physical labor. Read it and then come back to me.
Lel fuck no you're delusional. Reread mine before you hide behind a "you didn't understand my post" like holy fuck what the hell do you do for a living that makes you so special.
Go jack off to Plato you dense cunt.
>>134158559
My parents bought me a house and pay for everything.
Though I do kinda work, tbf
>>134161625
It's obviously true that society is simply a construct built by a group of individuals. But in one with many millions of people, no single individual will make any real difference. It's the same as with voting - while everyone together is what decides everything, no one person will have any actual influence alone.
Thus, what you're saying is to think of your actions not from a practical or realistic perspective, but as that of a member of a larger group. I don't see the need. You're actively choosing a worldview that results in you working, while I'm choosing a worldview that results in me reading VNs. Sure, I'm ignoring major societal problems, but they exist in abundance, there are countless people starving and being beaten and forced to work and dying of curable or preventable diseases right now. As long as it doesn't affect me, I don't care, because my life takes priority over other people's.
>>134161732
赤軍に身を置きたくなった
喧嘩過ぎる．．．
>>134162234
使い方はちょっと違うと思うよ、先輩
>>134162301
そう、喧嘩じゃなくて戦争だよ
>>134162324
そのクソヤリマンを掲載するのはやめろ。
>left my old online school, because I never wanted that degree to begin with and already took the classes from it that I wanted that would go towards my desired degree; also hated the five week course format (mostly signed up because I was getting trapped in my procrastination nature again, and wanted to do anything to break out of it)
>deadline on financial aid repayment began ticking the moment that I left
>applying for new school that has degree that I actually want, and is traditional
>letter after letter, form after form, transcript after transcript; it feels like an act of congress to get admitted
>towards the final touches
>doing reps, can't focus due to my thoughts that I need to get that done
>stop reps; check to see if the most recent waiting game is finally done so that I can move on to the hopefully short second to last waiting game before everything is done
>while all of these delays were happening, the deadline passed
>unintentional "FUCK FUCK FUCK" get up and pace around the house holding your head moment; that's literally three months worth the work squandered
>can't focus at all now
I think that I can write off Japanese for tonight.
Anyone knows the name of font 32?
why do I let myself take breaks from anki when I know the inevitable must happen
Question: Is there a difference between the following two sentences? In terms of how I use も.
あそこに ほんやも あります。
あそこにも ほんやが あります。
I read through the grammar guides but the nuance sounds the same to me.
>>134162685
(along with other things) there is also a bookstore there
(along with other places) there is also a bookstore there
you can tell which is the "along with" based on whatever も is the particle for
>>134162234
djtの住民って日本語はどんなに勉強してもまともに話せない知能レベルくせに、なんでこういう不毛な議論だけは頭のいいフリしたがるんだろうなｗ
>argument is about contributing to the society as it exists like it's inherently good
How is it good to contribute to a corrupt society in the ways that the society normally functions? It's much more righteous to contribute between the lines in ways that aren't part of the system.
>>134162685
>ここに本屋があります、
>そこにも本屋があります。
あたしならこうつかうとおもおよ。
>>134162753
Not contributing to society is fine, but simply leeching from it isn't, no matter what kind of society.
You're not leeching from the Jews running the society, but your fellow countrymen under it.
>>134162794
>Not contributing to society is fine
Who ever said anything about outright not contributing? I'm contributing, just not working. I go out of my way to teach people and make myself useful on the internet. If that makes enough other people more efficient enough to make up for even one single minimum wage job's worth of contribution to society, I've done it right.
>>134162717
Awesome, that helps a bunch. Thanks!
>>134162835
Contributing to society means getting the money going. Give people their job to work on, get a job yourself, get the money, spend it.
>>134162962
>Contributing to society means getting the money going.
Stopped reading there
If you define things however you like you can argue in favor anything
"Wrong" means an ultimate, reprehensible, objective, and self-aware evil. Therefore, Hitler did nothing wrong.
