What is the better weapon of war?
>>121976844
Tank build with Mech "fuck physics" materials and engines.
>>121976844
In terms of x tanks per y mechs relative to production effort and resources tanks would absolutley shit on mechs for conventional warfare.
In what game can I destroy mechs with tanks?
Pic related, mech (Titan) killer.
With real physics, tank.
With anime magic physics, mech.
>>121976844
I leave the Xeno thread in /v/ and I find the same thing here. When I go to /m/ it's also there. Xeno hype is real.
Wait, I thought this was /v/
Whatever /a/ is fine too
Take the tank, give it the same armor the mecha use and guns, build 300 tanks to the 1 mecha. Train lolis to drive the tanks.
Mech can fly and have nuke super modes.
>>121977169
>give it the same armor the mecha use and guns
>mfw people think mechs somehow have far better armour and weapons than tanks
>people think that while mechs were being developed tank designe would've stagnated
top kek
>>121977209
You dont watch much anime do you.
>>121977035
Civ 5 has a mech unit and several tank units.
>>121977251
only mecha anime I've seen is gargantia
In urban warfare wearable mech suits would be better, I mean a battle suit in CoD:AW, not a mobile suit
>>121976844
A mobility kill on a tank is much easier to repair than one on a mech
>>121977301
Swarms of small drones would be even better.
>>121977285
Well its a tendency that mecha always get the new rare super metal armor and the prototype weapons and are driven by angsty teenagers, while tanks are cannon fodder driven by old men.
Where as if you applied that to the tanks, you could build more of them and have even more ansty teenagers driving them.
>>121977358
>swarms
a single projectile would destroy so much of a swarm that it would be a waste to produce them really.
>>121977372
That's what I find funny.
If there was some breakthrough into some new armour or weapon that's in it's own level then that would be distributed, if not instantly then eventually.
Mechs might have a tech advantage, but it wouldn't last.
Also
>development that is so far ahead of it's predecessors being made
>it works perfectly first time
>it's never mass produced or used for anything other than mechs
Just doesn't make sense. Reasons like that are why I don't watch the genre. Also fuck angsty teens.
>>121977017
What he said... Except when the completed mech is of a scale, capable of dominating all known weapons. If someone managed to make a gurren lagann, you would need a big bang to potentially destroy it.
>>121977045
What about tank with anime magic physics
Mechs are absolutely shit tier in terms of design and practicality. Never understood why they gave them hands instead of just built-in weapons.
>>121977434
>>it's never mass produced or used for anything other than mechs
But they are. What do you think the Guncannon is?
>>121976844
>>>/m/
Also oranges and apples. Tanks would be faster, mechs would be all terrain. Tanks would be better in conventional war, and mechs would be better at blowing up towelheads.
>>121977434
Well ideally the swarm wouldn't just sit there and let itself get hit would it now? Even if it did you cant say it's a waste without knowing their cost.
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Mechs a shit. They literally get taken out by glass bottles and rocks.
>>121977475
>Mechs are absolutely shit tier in terms of design and practicality.
If I had to compliment them, they're very versatile. Would be good for special operations or supporting roles. Maybe precision strike units?
Either way, on earth they would have very little advantages.
In space it's probably debatable but in that circumstance the design of the mech may as well just be a spaceship really since it offers none of the advantages or disadvantages of earth, so moving limbs are pointless.
>>121977504
>What do you think the Guncannon is?
I don't know.
Sounds like someone trying to bait /k/
>>121977595
>ask if tank is better than mech in mecha board
They would say mech is better.
>>121976844
how about a mech with the ability to transform into tank, that sacrifice maneuverability in exchange with firepower and defense?
>>121977358
Drones have the flaw that they're vulnerable to too many means of electronic countermeasure. The only reason we haven't seen many real-life examples yet is because the only countries actually using any unmanned combat vehicle technology are allies, and using them to bomb mudhuts in the orient.
>>121977698
>how about a mech with the ability to transform into tank
This is the stupidest thing I've heard all day.
>>121977698
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Also it already exists
>>121977714
>The only reason we haven't seen many real-life examples yet
Pretty sure iran hacked and landed an american spy drone not too long back.
>>121977781
that's bretty kool actually.
>>121977035
MechWarrior: Living Legends has mechs and tanks. For the same price, tanks provide better armor and more focused firepower, but lack the mobility of mechs.
You'll be hard pressed to find active servers though - PGI killed off the project with licensing bullshit to make room for the trainwreck that is MechWarrior: Online
>>121977035
Empire Earth series.
>>121977609
>I don't know.
In Gundam, the RX-78 was a prototype that got mass produced.
Mass produced versions of the super machines are not uncommon either. Last year, there was Argevollen where the main reason they let the mech go into battle was to get data. The people who were repairing it constantly complained about the lack of parts and their inexperience. The mass produced models ended up being better as well.
Super robots also have mass produced models. TTGL has the Grapperl.
Mechs. See: Mobile Suit Gundam, episode < 10.
The tanks are armored bastards with 360 turret rotation and 60 degree tilt and fucking hover.
Granted, the RX-78-2 was after them so they'd lose regardless.
>>121977714
Fucking everything in the military is vulnerable to electronic countermeasure these days. That's just the nature of modern combat. You're not gonna find a perfect weapon with no limitations. Not in a modern military anyway.
>>121976844
>not things that fly
Even Muv Luv knew that controling air space means controling the battlefield
>>121977916
>You're not gonna find a perfect weapon with no limitations
A rifle and a good soldier.
>>121977675
>I have never been on /m/ in my life
>>121977926
>not things that fly
That's what we build planes for.
Building two objects designed to perfectly fill their role is better than one bastardisation that can do neither properly.
I was about to post that mech could be superior for versatility of equipment + neurological adaptability for humans but then remembered Tachikoma
>>121977957
>it would allow mechs to easily swap out weapons on the fly
see >>121977968
Talking the sci-fi shit we see in anime and a world where machines don't break down on a daily basis.
If you're talking a mech as in a lone man piloting a giant robot, then it's just an over designed and inferior tank.
If you add the ability to jump or fly, along with the ability to carry a load of soldiers, then the mech starts to gain a niche between close air support and armor with massive mobility. There's a slight use to the hands thing as it means one mech can utilize a downed mech's weapon. The hands thing actually can become an advantage in that it would allow mechs to easily swap out weapons on the fly or to pick up a platform from another downed mech.
Realistically though, mechs would be horribly complex machines which constantly break down. Unless some magic solution comes along, they would prove too unreliable to use.
The ideal route would be to master exosuits and work up your way up. Likely, we would find an upper limit before hitting diminishing returns. Space might open things up more, but you wouldn't really be using tanks up there.
Fighter aircraft would shit on mechs in the air and Tanks would do the same on the ground.
By the way, you may want to check out Argevollen. In that series, tanks and mecha are about on the same level, with tanks starting out with a slight advantage due to their height, while the mecha get better due to vastly superior mobility.
People always say mechs wouldn't work with real physics but some would.
What people seem to forget is the worlds these mechs are on might have lower gravity and air pressure. Sometimes the mechs are in space. In that context sure they'd work just about as well as any fighter plane people throw into space in all sorts of sci-fi.
>>121976844
>>121978117
>is the worlds these mechs are on might have lower gravity and air pressure
You really think that's the issue?
Do you know how hard it is to create a robot that can even walk properly, let alone a battle capable completely dexterous armoured fucker with onboard power.
It would be impossible to power the movements, even if they were possible, which they wouldn't be.
>>121978117
But im space you would gain more by building space fighters with big weapons which mean you have more weapons flying around rather than one mech with one arsenal being a large target. With the same materials you could build 5 fighters.
Bitches please. Why not both?
>>121978257
>uses probably the same resources as a mech
>has none of the advantages
>has all the disadvantages of the tank
Variable Fighters are objectively the best weapon systems ever, superior to all other mechs, as well as tanks and aircraft. Prove me wrong.
>>121978194
A mech fighting in space is just as stupid as a fighter plane in space. Also who said mechs need to be oversized? You could easily make 1 mech with the same materials as a fighter.
>>121978186
You really think that's an issue? Super computers with self teaching software, bam solved half your issues right there. Power is again not really an issue, we're already talking sci-fi nonsense, just say they have a tiny nuclear engine. You think people actually care about these details?
Tanks are boring
>>121978348
>Mass produced
>Top of the line weaponry in setting
>Can take on three other mecha at once
>A platoon can be controlled by one man
Granted, Argevollen has no planes.
>>121978418
Only to non-militaryfags who don't know shit about them.
>>121977916
Not really. Most military hardware only uses computers for communication and instruments, which they can function independently of. You;re not going to hack a manned aircraf out of the sky, the best you can do is scramble some of its navigation instruments, at which point it's more than capable of being flown manually.
If you do the same to a drone aircraft, it loses its eyes and ears and ceases to function as a combat vehicle.
People talk about sci-fi combat nanomachines and nanite swarms like it will someday be a viable technology, but for any machine miniaturized to the extent where it's small enough to not be an easy target for standard weapons, its electronics would be so small and vulnerable, that even a change in the passive electric charge in the air would be destructive.
>>121976844
Mech are not real but fuck they are awesome.
fuck your coffins with cannons.
>>121978356
>bam solved half your issues right there
No you didn't though. I'm talking about the actual implementation and powering of the facilities that move the limbs and shit.
>tiny nuclear engine
thats a lot of fucking resources for one fucking vehicle
>same materials as a fighter
once again, the largest issue of the mech is that it's entire body needs to move. Planes don't need that.
>>121978418
bullshit
>>121978442
>Granted, Argevollen has no planes.
That's gonna be a problem, because Variable Fighters are planes. Planes that turn into mechanoid robots, as well as walking tanks.
They also have a surprisingly good reason to exist (taking place in a universe where humanity fights against, and eventually lives alongside, a race of gigantic humanoids).
>>121978034
Anon, swapping weapons between vehicles is not something that planes and tanks normally do on the battlefield.
If you're talking flying, it's also not normal for helicopters to be able to land on a greater than 10 degree slope. Legs would allow for those landings along with a much greater degree of staying power which is a major drawback for air power.
These aren't trying to do two things. This is filling a niche.
>>121978442
> Muh war without soldiers.
Seriously though, Samonji and Cayenne did nothing wrong.
Tanks don't have AT-field.
>>121978356
If we are talking about mecha and the standard idea of a mecha, then they are big. If you are talking smaller, you are getting in to exosuits.
I didnt say fighter planes, I said space fighters. Did you even watch Star Wars?
>>121978442
>Argevollen has no planes.
Easily the worst part of the show. You'll be watching this mecha show that wants you to take it seriously with its mind-reading future-mechs, and yet every single military scenario presented would be totally rekt by a handful airplanes. Or hell, even some long range artillery. IRL we had the tech for airplanes before tanks, and yet in a world of mecha more advanced than anything IRL, there's still not even dirigibles. What a stupid show.
>>121978356
>You could easily make 1 mech with the same materials as a fighter.
It's a matter of overcomplicated articulation compared to vernier thrusters on pylons like the Starfury from Babylon 5.
>>121978554
The point is that interchangeability is pointless when you have specific units that fill the rolls themselves. It's called combined arms.
The vehicles don't need to swap weapons because for every tank that controls the ground, there is a plane controlling the sky.
>>121978550
Variable Fighters are pretty awesome and are one of my favorite type of mechs. It's just that the Argevollen-series in universe is something that lots of mecha shows don't cover, being unmanned warfare.
>>121978618
To be fair the eyecatches showed a lot of different designs for Trailkriegers, some amphibious and some appearing to be aerial based. It is likely that planes and aerial combat do exist in this world, but were out of focus.
>Or hell, even some long range artillery
But that kept on happening. Hell, that was the plot of an episode
>>121978618
Or the utter rape of fire and forget ATGMs like Javelins.
Let alone the carnage that modern rocket artillery can do.
>>121978618
It is visually implied there is some kind of polar inversion that prevents use of aircraft.
Mech. What a stupid fucking question. A mech has the capability of walking over terrain that a tank can't.
Powered armor makes more sense than gundam-style mecha.
>>121978748
>A mech has the capability of walking over terrain that a tank can't.
There is a very small amount of land a tank can't traverse, and even there the mech would be fucked up by air assets.
>implying that even matters in combat
>implying that if they can shoot they cant be shot at
>>121978725
That doesn't mean that the Bernouli principle which generates lift based on pressure differences would magically stop working.
It might fuck up navigation and electronics, but this breaks the suspension of disbelief
>>121977035
Red Alert 3 , Tiberian Sun
>>121978607
Yeah Star Wars is an example of fighters in space. It's just as stupid as mechs. There is no reason they should be shaped like terrestrial fighters. With all the turrets and thrust facing forward.
What you want is something that is designed to fight three dimensionally in Zero-G.
Additionally you could have something roughly 2.5m - 5m in height that would be larger than what you'd call an exosuit that a pilot could be seated in that would use far less materials than a fighter.
>>121978543
True but a mech also doesn't need to have sustained flight either.
If mecha can fly, mecha
If not, tank
>>121978899
That would essentially just be a mechanized infantry.
>>121978899
It's still a larger volume contraint than variable geometry wings, which directly impacts fuel and payload
>>121978899
>a mech also doesn't need to have sustained flight either.
A mech is using power whether it's in flight or not so it would have to return to base just like a plane.
In terms of loiter time a plane can just fly in cirlces anyway.
A plane would be called out under specific circumstances so it wouldn't need to land in combat zones, that's what helicopters are for (not that different vehicles for different jobs advantage again).
>>121978937
Why not use bullshit technology mech has access to and make the tank fly?
>>121976844
A pointless discussion.
We might as well discuss "Dragons VS. Crocodiles, which is more lethal?" - one is fictional and in most cases imagined to be one of the worst and most powerfull monster in the world. The other is just a crocodile.
Any points, like "Tanks would be faster, Mecha can climb" are moot, because I simply write "the mecha can fly with a speed of Mach 12".
>>121978492
>>121978543
Tanks are pretty fucking boring.
They're really slow and maneuver like shit. Watching actual tank fights is dull as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bsDP5DznDQ
The battlesuits in "A Farewell to Weapons" are a great example of what 'practical' mechanized infantry would be like.
Essentially the armor and firepower of a tank with the size, adaptability and maneuverability of infantry
>>121978899
Not really, they also use their fighters in atmosphere and they frequently launch from the ground. Its good planning to take that in to account when building a fighter.
wars are won by logistics, so it comes down to which is cheaper to maintain and run.
in other words, the tank
that is of course assuming they both use human pilots
the real weapon of war these days are silent stealth 360 no scope get nerfed to follow geneva convention drones.
>>121979033
Because then it wouldn't be a tank
>>121979033
Mechas are still better when I say so in my work.
End of discussion.
>>121979042
This has to be bait.
Mechs are inherently flawed. Under no circumstances does a weapon ever need to be bipedal and have human-like limbs. It just makes it needlessly more complex and gives it some significant balance problems.
Unless we're talking four-legged designs or spider-like legs. Those would actually be useful for traversing rough terrain but even then, we already have helicopters which makes this shit completely redundant. Humanoid mechs are just full retard, though.
>>121977434
>mfw can't do kung-fu with tank
>>121979074
Hovertank.
>>121979042
>They're really slow and maneuver like shit.
>confirmed for not knowing about tanks
>cites urban combat as an example
kek
>>121979109
>mfw can't do kung-fu in a mech cause I just got blown up by a tank
>>121977753
>stupidest
It's genius.
In mech form can do martial arts
In tank form - fire heavy guns since added stability, since can't kung-fu while having recoil from big guns.
>>121977475
>hands instead of just built-in weapons
I can understand hands, being able to grab stuff seems like a good idea, but I hate the idea of making giant guns for them to hold.
Why waste the resources for mass-producing giant guns when you can just build them on?
>>121979100
>Under no circumstances does a weapon ever need to be bipedal and have human-like limbs
What about infantry?
>>121979100
spider-like drone is awesome though.
Mount a anti-tank and some HMG and we migh get a viable replacement for tank.
>>121979171
Infantry are a weapon now? You're thinking of manpower
>>121979142
>Cites sandniggers fighting in urban combat as an example
In other words, the absolute worst possible example he could pick, because sandniggers cannot into armoured warfare and combined arms.
>>121979049
>Its good planning
Well, it is in the SW universe, because it works like it does.
But in another piece of fiction you could, i.e. say that Star Wars type space fighters are decent in space and atmosphere,but inferior to anything designed for space (a spherical ship with guns and thrust in every direction for example) or atmosphere (a fighterplane). They might be good option for certain operations, like blitzattacking a planet. You could call them aerospace fighters.
>>121979142
>mfw can't do kung-fu in a mech cause I just got blown up by a tank
Mawashi geri projectiles back at tank.
>>121979171
Warbots are probably better in non-humaoid shape, even when we have Terminator-level technology.
But it's not as cool as a metal skellington.
>>121979042
there are fast moving tanks anon, and some can even maneuver over rough and uneven terrain.
>>121979049
You really don't want a atmospheric fighter in space it's like arguing for subs that can also crawl across the land. In space you'd want something designed for space combat, Zero-G Vacuum is very different than fighting in atmosphere. Like a Pod from 2001 with 360 turrets.
>>121978965
Kinda. Still larger than a power suit and has a seated pilot, I'd call that a mech.
>>121978977
>>121979028
The role isn't to replace aircraft, it'd have it niche like everything else.
>>121979421
>it'd have it niche like everything else.
the point of a mech is to be an all in one
>>121979442
According to who? Super robot cartoon for children?
>>121979042
Can they even aim with all the dust after the first shot?
>>121979442
That's what wacky Japan mechs are suppose to be because carving out a role in combined arms and following characters who are just another cog in a larger war machine doesn't gel with them.
>>121976844
If the mech have the same maneuverability in anime, they'd be better, but it's impossible to build one. So, tanks or fighter jets ftw.
>>121979421
It's only niche would be as a mechanical donkey for rough terrain like mountains, either carrying supplies or weapons like mortars, in a realistic universe
>>121979421
>>121979263
It would depend on your resources. Do you have the money to make fighters just for space that can never touch ground? You could be limiting your self if you tried to specialize to much when a simple change of shape can make it great for both. Then you can build 10,000 that fight in space and air, rather than 5000 of each. Next time a fight breaks out on a planet, you have 10,000 fighters ready to go rather than 5000 and visa-verse.
>>121979521
Oh, okay. Please elaborate on this "niche" that mechs are supposedly the only option for.
Because so far as I can tell everything they do can be done better by something else.
>>121977035
Gihrens Greed Earth Federation Scenario though good fucking luck doing it without bomber support.
>>121979093
>>121979142
Look if you've got a better example show it. All the tank related footage I've seen, old and new is roughly the same. Slow and dull.
>>121978618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw91mzpyzjM
we need to line more of these up.
solves your mech problem
>>121979562
You're a retard who doesn't understand orbital reentry.
>>121979581
See >>121979559
From a design, practicality and cost perspective - mechs are complete shit. Which is why they exist as cool looking fiction.
Power armors/exoskeletons have some actual potential though.
>>121979521
>According to who? Super robot cartoon for children?
As opposed to you, who is clearly citing sources from real-life mechs, right?
>>121979581
Heavy infantry in urban/rough terrain and support for airborne forces. This is assuming you have a mech that isn't full retard and only a few meters tall.
>>121979559
Helicopters.
>>121979632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN-AwDX77h8
>>121978804
The creator of Gundam apparently wanted that but it would have been too violent
>>121979142
Here
>>121979581
Showing off. Would you fight against a country that can build a ten meter tall humanoid weapon that is inferior to everything they could build for the same money?
Everybody can buy a T-72 on the black market, now a mecha is just showing how many ressources you have and that you don't care if such a thing will be lostwhat inevitable will be the case
>>121979663
Support for airborne forces is the only real use of them since other armour would be hard to insert.
But airborne forces are almost redundant now anyway.
But there's nothing cooler than a massive humanoid robot
>>121979648
Who cares when you have gundonium.
>>121979668
This isn't combat. And this is about as interesting to watch as an SUV commercial.
>>121979263
I'm pretty sure SW already does that.
The biggest spacecraft, built to always stay in space as a base of operations, have all kind of turrets everywhere. Star Destroyers have 360 degree firepower. So does the Death Star, but the planet destroying gun is so massive and takes so much power, they can only build one.
>>121979668
Believe it or not, helicopters can have issues high in the mountains.
What I am describing is more like a Wiesel on legs.
>>121977017
In Muv Luv they mass produce TSF and they are capable of going Super Sonic and have stealth (They are based off of Jets)
They would absolutely destroy any and all tank divisions.
>>121979710
This post is so retarded.
>>121979753
Pretty sure they're creating small dog like robots for that anyway.
>>121979711
In conventional warfare airborne forces would still be extremely relevant. Even in places like Afghanistan airborne was a major player because of the terrain. Small end mechs would be ideal for the role over the only other option which is the German Weasel.
For mechs to make sense, there's usually some kind of in-universe explanation to justify their existence.
Gundams have Minovsky particles, TSFs have laser-class BETA, etc.
>>121979768
That's exactly what I was referencing, except slightly scaled up
>>121979660
Why do you think Mechs need to be an end all jack of all trades super machine that can do everything? Who ever seriously said that and believes that other than little kids and the Japanese?
![CF-1_flight_test[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/D0cPV97.jpg "CF-1_flight_test[1].jpg")
>>121977968
Tell that to America.
>>121979849
All the fags who keep buying F35s.
Depends, how big is the mech?
>>121979766
Nope. TSF's are dumb as shit. As stated so many times before, you could just take that same technology that makes them great and apply it to tanks and attack helicopters. TSF's quite literally have no advantage over either tanks or helicopters.
>>121979701
>
>>121979748
well maybe the issue is the face that actual large scale tank on tank hasn't occurred since ww2 in which there were almost no cameras on the front let alone in combat.
>>121979766
Hence why you have supersonic jets to kill them
>>121979840
well mechs are generally humanoid, I assumed we were discussing those.
>>121979866
I was actually thinking of that while writing it believe me or not
>>121977849
>minotaur
>not the absolute tanks killer
>>121979849
>Who ever seriously said that and believes that other than little kids and the Japanese?
Just a friendly reminder that you're browsing /a/ and therefore we are all discussing anime mechs, which is why people are calling the concept retarded in the first place. I do not think they're jack-of-all-trades; that is precisely what they ARE, the ultimate warfare weapon in every mecha anime ever.
>>121979668
Nobody said tanks can't drive on a freeway, but they don't fight at 60 mph.
>>121979896
>>121979984
>but they don't fight at 60 mph
they don't because they haven't had to yet.
>>121980017
Tank then, no doubt.
How effective would insectoid mechs be in comparison to humanoid mechs?
Is the human form really something we should shoot for it mechs are made?
The only cases where mechas aren't dumb as shit are where they literally powered by magic and can't be replaced, like Ideon and Eva. Even stuff like Minovsky particles can't justify humanoid designs.
>>121979894
Except that the F-35 is turning out be exactly what was promised, sometimes even better, and will have a lower unit cost than the inferior Eurocanards while being more advanced in just about every way.
Sprey and Pray, pls go
>>121979927
>Helicopters
Lol laser class that melt everyone.
>Tanks
Lol fort and fortress class.
>>121979927
Tanks can't go supersonic.
Tanks don't have arms.
Treads don't work on every single type of terrain.
Helicopters cannot fight on the ground, which is necessary when laser class beta are in the area. You need to quickly move from the ground to the air.
Enjoy your dead humanity.
>>121979984
>but they don't fight at 60 mph.
For the exact same reasons that mechs realistically won't. It's impractical.
>>121979961
First, TSF were designed to fight aliens, not jets.
Second, a super sonic jet has no advance capability over a TSF when given stealth or even without stealth. The only thing that matters is the quality of the missile you shoot.
You cannot name a single thing a jet can do a tsf cant in air combat, but I can name things it can do like instantly transition into a strike helicopter.
>>121980117
>It's better than Eurotrash so it's a good plane.
When your incredibly expensive plane doesn't completely out-dogfight planes a gen behind nor outcarry them, it's an expensive piece of shit.
>>121980023
Because there is no tactical reason to, because in reality tank combat is slow and boring thus reinforcing the other anons point.
>>121980099
Magic and magic bug parts.
>>121980147
Mechs in anime can because they are closer to jets and helicopters and are not limited to being on the ground.
>>121979815
What does Minovsky particles do, exactly?
>>121980129
>Tanks can't go supersonic.
If huge impractical mecha can, I don't see why tanks can't.
>>121976844
When was a tank piloted by a god?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deg1RHwmKpo
>>121980264
Make radar useless which supposedly means close range combat became a thing again. It's a shitty and terrible justification for sword fights in robots.
>>121976844
Mechas legs are the main weakness. You can make him fall with rope like "Tom and Jerry". Imagine the carnage in urban warfare ?
>>121980191
>You cannot name a single thing a jet can do a tsf cant in air combat
vastly outnumber them with the same amount of resources?
You yourself admitted that the format of firing a missile doesn't matter so why have one super expensive thing to shoot them when you can have hundreds of little flying bastards that can do it.
>>121980215
>implying there has ever been a modern generation tank fight
>implying that you know what would happen if there was
sure
>>121979961
>>121980264
Jam and scatter all communcation and targetting equipment that isn't short range. It's also why beams work in-universe.
>>121980129
>Tanks can't go supersonic.
And yet something as non-aerodynamic as a 20 meters tall human statue can. By all means if they have the technology to make mechas super sonic then planes should be able to reach the speed of light.
Anime about space fighters shooting each other when?
>>121980129
Sounds like VTOL would be perfect for the job
>>121980323
>vastly outnumber them with the same amount of resources?
For the record, they used aerial warfare in Muvluv and it worked. Then it stopped working.
>>121980316
>lasers map the terrain and detects the rope
>automatically steps/jumps over it
Your move Atheists.
>>121980323
>implying there has ever been a modern generation tank fight
Didn't the Gulf War have a lot of them?
>>121980264
The really, really short version is that it fucks over all kinds of long-range communication, wrecks missiles and other guided munitions, and creates beam weapons that are stupidly effective against armor, making CQC the name of the game, and mobile suits the new standard.
>>121980371
LoGH is already a thing.
>>121979198
damage a single leg and it's good as dead
that said, the recoil on pretty much anything worth mounting on a vehicle would beat the shit out of the joints, so even if it was used quite sparingly it would break down very quickly.
something like a tachikoma is a semi-viable design because it still has wheels for travel, but would still require far more maintenance than a regular vehicle, but less than a large model like the walking tank that goes on a rampage early in the series, but even if it took no damage in combat, so is not truly viable as a replacement, but could still be used as a rescue bot in radioactive areas, but would be too heavy for things like burning buildings.
walkers are niche use only, but those niches are why people get into robotics.
>>121980371
When Macross becomes a thing
>>121980092
Arms were needed to hold tools and stuff. I don't see how they would help in a modern warfare scenario. Might as well bolt that rifle on your back and get 2 more legs.
>>121980323
>vastly outnumber them with the same amount of resources
It cost 150 million dollars for a f22 raptor, jet version. There are less than 200 of them.
It cost roughly what it cost to make a tank to make a tsf.
You are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about.
>choosing between a mech or a plane
why not both in one?
>>121980311
>>121980340
>>121980432
It's fucking stupid because beams in Gundam are still insanely long range, making melee completely pointless.
>>121980331
>>121980323
>What is the gulf war
>What is the iraq war
>What is the Syrian Civil War
>What are the wars between Isreal and it's neighbors
>What are literally all the conflicts going on around the world being fought with Russian and American tanks
You are really delusional.
>>121980502
Money isn't really an issue when the alternative to building more mechs is human extinction.
>>121980311
>>121980340
>>121980432
Wouldn't that just like WW1 and Early WW2? How does it justify the use of giant robot?
>>121980206
But that's wrong. It kinematically outperforms the latest F-16 in an A2A configuration.
Between VLO and its integrated sensor-targetting-datalink suite, it position itself for better shots than it's non-VLO counterparts.
In it's strike configuration, it carries more than a Super Hornet further.
>>121980502
>comparing real world economics to fantasy
True autism.
>>121980413
Laser class -> dead
>>121979979
I thought we were just discussing mechs not necessarily 10 story tall anime mechs that can destroy planets.
>>121980502
>You are full of shit
You're the one defending a fuckheavy humanoid robot that's magically able to move supersonic
>>121980428
>Didn't the Gulf War have a lot of them?
>shitty old soviet tanks vs western tanks that can shoot them from vastly further ranges
Nope. There was no need for the western tanks to manoeuvre because they couldn't even be targeted.
>>121980558
see above
>>121980439
I though it didn't have fighters,just those big spaceships
>>121980502
>It cost roughly what it cost to make a tank to make a tsf.
I don't care if that's true in muv luv universe, that's pure bullshit.
>>121980545
>It's fucking stupid because beams in Gundam are still insanely long range
It's still within visual range though, that's the point. You can no longer hit something from a continent away.
>>121980502
>mechs are as easy to make as tanks
did you grow up in magicland?
>>121980553
Mecha wins hands down, best tech path.
>>121980565
It doesn't. Gundam's worldbuilding is pure shit outside of the colonies which aren't an original idea.
>>121980564
Then why did the f22 beat the yf-22 and the yf-23
>>121980420
You can hide the rope and pull it when the mech comes.
> Your move Atheists.
I don't understand
>>121980655
>>121980630
There are a few fighter battles. Poplin and Proto-Asuka are introduced as fighter pilots and have a few battles before shifting over to politics.
>>121980651
Considering we are literally talking about magical mechs that cannot physically exist, for this specific instance yes.
All those against mecha, can go fuck themselves in general, spiritless assholes.
Human form - best design.
>>121977169
>another lolifag thinks little girls have the mental capacity to drive tanks and handle the mental stress of putting your life on the line and taking the lives of others
Oh yeah, the shit we have does REAL good against this thing.
Not that you'd ever want to risk destroying it.
>>121980655
why does your mech have nipples!
>>121980768
>Considering we are literally talking about magical mechs
No we're not. We're talking about if mech technology was possible.
>>121980783
That looks really top heavy. Probably easy to knock down.
>>121980783
fite me irl
>>121980754
>Mech detects you hiding and blows you up before you can pull the rope
Checkmate Atheists.
>>121980595
>laser
Hug the ground. You've never play 2142 aren't you?
>>121980802
>If mech technology was possible
It isn't. Therefore, anything we are talking about is magic you idiot.
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>>121980099
My nigga
>>121980822
>>121980853
It's literally invincible to anything that isn't one of the other mechs.
Just as well, if it's taken out the universe goes with it, since it's part of a "game" to weed out parallel universes by tying said universe's lifeforce to a mech. And then killing whoever pilots it to power it after the fight is over.
>>121980802
>why does your mech have nipples!
To distract the enemy. Sex appeal is a weapon.
>>121980545
We're talking long range in the scale of people who can make phone calls across the solar system.
>>121980802
even if mech technology were feasible, it would still be used on platforms that make more sense (tanks, aircraft, powered exoskeleton)
>>121980887
Then fortress, which you have no traction to stop. Or just charged.
>>121980891
>It isn't.
We're talking about the future. Such a technological advancement so as to make it possible is plausible.
Whether it would be worthwhile is the debate ITT.
Idiot.
>>121980908
fair enough.
>>121980940
Literally what I've been saying.
>>121980907
and the pilots are all 14 year old kids
>>121980565
They can carry smaller munitions that have retarded amounts of firepower but relatively low range usually, they can't use guided munitions so well, and they have to be able to fight CQC when enemy mobile suits come in range.
>>121980907
If it's knocked down, it's more like a turtle.
All of that sounds dumb as hell, by the way.
>>121977459
/thread
>>121980573
>F16
>Dogfighter
And also you have to consider that the Europeans are buying them specifically for the VLO configuration so they can create carriers without having huge airstrips, so there goes the carrying capacity.
>>121980967
>We're talking about the future
You are an idiot. Mechs will never be possible. A robot would be able to walk, then it would destroy itself. Muscular systems generate heat and the heat would erode absolutely any system you use strong and flexible enough to be used as a musculature system.
You 4chan idiots amaze me. You call me an idiot for "magic science" then completely ignore reality in your following post. Educate yourself.
>>121981019
>If it's knocked down, it's more like a turtle.
Considering it has a laser that can target every lifeform on a planet simultaneously, getting knocked down isn't exactly a game ender.
or when it shot the enemy who was hiding in Hawaii with a single giant blast. From Tokyo.
>>121979042
all those fucking birds flying around there.
one nearly hits the fucking tank at 9:37
>>121981103
Your inability to factor in multiple sections of a conversation makes you hilariously lost right now.
>>121980757
>>121981118
>Considering it has a laser that can target every lifeform on a planet simultaneously,
give everyone mirrors
gg no re
>>121981103
You're going to be spinning in your grave when all battles in the year 3000 are fought with seahorse shaped robots that bounce around on their tails.
>>121980948
>Traction
>For stopping Fortress-class
lolwut
>>121981101
Which model are you talking about?
If referring to the B, while it does sacrifice fuel and load compared to the A and C, it is vastly superior in every manner to the Harrier and Harrier II it would replace.
>>121981161
I did read about birds singing even during bombardment in WW1.
Birds just don't give a fuck.
>>121981118
TTGL could fight it and win, so could the Getter Emperor.
Ideon is kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy version of the Bokurano mech.
So what's the excuse in Muv-Luv why they don't just use drones for everything?
>>121981019
Bokurano is literally the madoka magica of mech anime, just a decade older. Also no happy ending, it ends with a "fuck you, it started sad and it's going to end sad" ending.
And I mean it really is Madoka
>15 kids, all around 13-14ish, are tricked into signing a contract
>they're told it's a fun game and they got to pilot a robot and save the world against another robot
>first kid beats his enemy, he mysteriously dies when celebrating
>so does the second, except in the pilot seat
>the small white creature who oversees it all tells them that piloting Zearth takes your lifeforce in exchange for using it
>you can't avoid it, you're going to die, unless someone else signs the contract to die in your place
>if you lose, earth and the universe ceases to exist
>if you don't win your fight in 48 hours, you automatically lose
>>121981305
Muh drama
>>121981255
I'm talking dogfighting ability similar to most actual interceptor craft, like the F15C, and naval planes with good carrying capacity, like the F/A 18E.
No shit it's got better carrying capacity than the small, subsonic harrier, but is not a good replacement for specifically-built planes. The Europeans just put up with it because it's the "best" VTOL aircraft they can put in their smaller carriers.
>>121981103
>Mechs will never be possible
Gekkos are pretty damn feasible, power source notwithstanding.
>>121981296
>TTGL could fight it and win, so could the Getter Emperor.
They'd win, but winning would be kind of a bad thing.
>>121980192
This webm exemplifies something I really hate about mecha combat. Normal tanks and combat vehicles might as well be made of paper coated with thermite while the mechas have armor that can repel a nuclear explosion. Even though they should be made form the same material.
>>121981359
You could run a Gekko on a gas turbine all day.
>>121981103
Mechs are possible, they're just extremely pointless unless you happen to be fighting on a planet made of stairs with no gravity or atmosphere.
>>121981432
Nah, they're made of the same shit.
That one just has the protagonist in it.
>>121981200
Deeper into the rabbit hole.
Did we ever got release date for this?
>>121977968
At least in the Muv-luv universe aircraft became ineffective due to the Laser and Heavy Laser class BETA which were the most devastating and efficient AA ever.
>>121981357
The directly comparable -A and -C F-35s are superior in those respective roles.
Don't count the -B out of the fight entirely. It still has the excellent aerodynamic form of the plane, it still has very good maneuverability, and it still has both the stealth and integrated sensor package to rape most previous gen fighters.
A issues of procurement and defense policy do not denigrate the qualities of the F-35 as a fighting platform
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>>121981359
Hey, it can move 70 tons of tank.
The big issue with limbed mechs is balance, and the guys at Boston Dynamics have built several robots that can balance themselves pretty effectively, including one bipedal robot.
>>121981542
Except mecha are the new aircraft, for reasons never explained.
>>121977066
It's been 18 years since a good solid Xenogears like game. Give them their day.
Also, Mechs would never work unless we get the tech to make them semi-cyborgs about 12-21 ft. tall. That tech is not avail for at least another 150 years.
>>121981578
They were meant for hive breaching and the flexibility of the platform was more suited to that role.
>>121981513
> planet made of stairs with no gravity or atmosphere
Sounds like the last stage for some wheelchair rpg.
