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I'm getting ready to go through my first degree as a Freemason. Anybody have some idea as to what happens?
>>17299869
Butts
>>17299869
Yeah you sell your fucking eternal light for material objects and "power" that you could have anyways if you were on the light side.
Dont go through with it, tell them you dont want part in it, if they threaten you spit in their face, if they send people to your house greet them with a bat.
These fuckers respect one thing, and that is FEAR.
If you are truthful then they are most likely monitoring your PC activities.
So I want to give them a little message:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsFpUW48Tnc
YOU WILL NOT GET HIS SOUL. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT CHANGE TO YOUR MASTER PLAN???
Hahahahahah!! You faggots are so afraid right now.
>>17299869
Yeah don't do it
Maybe I should say this. I know each lodge is different in the way the the ritual works. Some lodges are more "oldskool" than others. My boss is a mason and a few people from work are as well. They keep saying how lucky I'm not in the nearby city. I guess they like to place you in a dark room and make animal sounds.
I just want an idea of the basics when going in
>>17299886
Dig the sounds
>>17299904
I repeat, you do not want to go through with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AczIYDZqOCw
You want to walk away from this? They are trying to hide the possibilites of life from you, your TRUE power.
Whatever you think you gain by doing this is not real, these people will discard you like a condom.
Are you a coward? Are you A FUCKING SERVANT?
GODD FUCKING DAMMIT DONT FALL FOR THEIR TRICKS! YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL AND YOU ARE HERE TO BRING MORE BEAUTY TO THE WORLD.
BUILD DO NOT DESTROY.
You have the flame to forge your destiny, dont let them take it away.
>>17299923
I'm hoping to not get brainwashed with the light of the "one" true god of creation. I just want to know what it is they know
Based on your qualifications, you're ready to jump right to the next degree
>>17299869
>tfw my grandfather was a high up mason
>wanted me to join
>had no interest in it
>think nothing of it until college
>suddenly receive scholarship for $5,000 from local lodge without applying of knowing it even existed
>not going to pass on free college cash
Am I fucked /x/? Did taking the money mean something? or were they just being nice because of my gramps?
>>17299869
Without spoiling too much, you're led around the room listening to various charges and lectures. But you probably won't take them all in the first time, so be sure to study the ceremony book if they give you one, or go to 1sts elsewhere, because it's the establishing point regarding teaching you how to learn in Masonry and society.
>>17300060
They wanted me to come watch another candidate get his EA after I received mine. Would have been nice to get a pamphlet.
I did not however attend it. I left Freemasonry nearly immediately. Nothing bad happened. But the idea of immersing yourself in practically a new culture(ancient culture) is pretty overwhelming.
I was excited to join, but the day after my initiation, I felt dread and anxiety I couldn't shake. It lasted a few days to the point of not being able to focus, so I had to leave. The whole idea of not being an individual anymore, but being a Freemasonry didn't feel right with me. Similar effects of PTSD.
Like I said, it wasn't bad at all. What got to me was the commitment. I didn't realize how much of a lone soul I was.
I'm still interested in it.
>>17300281
>They wanted me to come watch another candidate get his EA after I received mine.
Yea, it's pretty well known that you'll miss 90% of it on the first go, and it'll only come back and sink in seeing it later.
>Would have been nice to get a pamphlet.
They didn't give you anything? That's pretty slack.
>The whole idea of not being an individual anymore
Wut.
>>17299869
Lucifer worship, lots of buttsex, molestation of little girls.
Typical cult stuff.
>>17299869
You'll go in, a bunch of guys will be dressed in their costumes. You'll probably have to wear one, too. It'll be about fifteen minutes of nonsense talk, and then you'll be apart of it, and you'll probably end up going to a bar or some shit. Because it's just a bunch of fucking guys in costumes.
Do you have to pay money to go up grades like in scientology or to the give you the books and reading material to study for free?
>>17301237
More the latter. You do have to pay dues, though. Gotta keep the lights on somehow.
There is a bit of the former, though, since other degrees (orders/rites) are separate and elective. But there is nothing higher or more important than the 3rd anyway.
>>17301164
15 minutes? Damn nigga, I want to join that quick arse lodge.
>>17300059
>or were they just being nice because of my gramps?
This
>>17300060
Oh give it up already.
The first three degrees are each pertaining to the mind, body and spirit and mastering one's control over them.
Freemasonry itself is a working system for enlightenment. Presented in tales of allegory and using the language of symbols.
>>17299869
did they choose you? or you contacted them? how recruitment stuff works in that case?
>>17299886
great song man
>>17301276
Give it up? I wholly agree with your post. But switch body and mind.
From what I've heard, they make you turn against christ, like take an oath and literally talk shit about him and reject him from your life and then they have this book that they'd make you worship andake some commitment.
>>17301286
You know what they say about not believing everything you hear.
>>17299869
closer and closer to the demi-urges will you go
>>17299923
>Maximum truth alert
>>17301276
>>17301279
>>17300281
you realized something after contact with em? you are probably already in their vortex
>>17301355
So the anti-Jew?
>>17301372
If you consider the jew to be your ego, desires, illusion of duality and more then yes I suppose. But anti is not a good word to be used there.
>>17301382
I consider them unclean, especially on the inside. They look down on the poor and gentile. They never give, and are not considerate. The lie, cheat, and take way more than their share, leaving none for others.
>>17301387
You know a lot for someone that never leaves their basement.
I used to watch some of my friend's dad's meeting through a webcam they constantly left on on a laptop they had in the corner (for some reason). It's very faggy and weird. They take shots of wine. Altogether it was really boring and I couldn't watch for more than ten minutes. The idea of invading their homotastic secret club meetings was pretty much the only reason I did anyway, and that thrill wore off quick.
>>17301728
But have you ever left your body?
>>17301938
That time I died for 40 seconds during a surgery. It was like sleeping, but without dreaming.
>>17299869
Yeah, you take an oath on your head to serve a demon, at pain of death.
Not smart.
>>17299869
some silly rituals to mess with the newbies.
after that, a lot of boring ass meetings.
>>17301348
The fire rises, brother!
>>17299869
An oath to serve fallen angels and demons. Idiot.
>>17300424
>Individual
It's a personal thing. I just didn't like the idea of being a Freemason afterward. I think I overhyped myself with the idea of being a Mason rather than wanting to be one.
I did try talking to the other brothers about it, but unfortunately they couldn't relate. It really sucked.
Maybe it was the fear of the unknown.
>>17301286
Yep, thats a complete lie. Before hand, they reassure you that whatever happens, will not come in conflict with your religious beliefs.
>>17302722
>dubs too
>>17302722
That reassurance is a lie. The bible forbids taking oaths on your head, and that's the first oath you take.
People who worship the father of lies, lie. It's what they do.
Some of you guys are making masons more than they are
There's college frats that are more cultish than the Masons these days
Freemasonry is only an entry point. If you can make it past 3rd degree you get invited to join the real secret societies.
>>17302711
Fair enough. I was just very confused by why you thought it meant not being an individual anymore.
>>17302784
It doesn't forbid from taking promises or obligations. But source on said reassurance being a lie?
>>17302722
thats a lie right there. I forgot which book it was but a guy was telling his life of the free masons, same reason op wants too join because an old realtive. They were nice in the begining but then it got horrifying he talks about the rituals and how they treated people. During the ritual of mastery he had too say " christ was an apostle" so when he said that he became very pale. So after that he ran away noone found him again.
>>17303427
>During the ritual of mastery he had too say " christ was an apostle"
Source?
>>17299869
You must answer you want the light.
2nd degree, you want more of the light.
3rd, same thing.
Etc.
If you make it, the light which you will be shown is lucifer and all you have learned lead up to you "realizing" you can become a god. (first lie ever told)
You can reproduce = you're a god.
Wheat
lucifer
etc etc
Ask for the real truth, you will not find it in freemasonry.
>Jesus Christ is THE only truth.
>>17303427
Sounds totally legit.
>>17303522
Light is only mentioned in the 1st, for reasons which become obvious.
>If you make it, the light which you will be shown is lucifer and all you have learned lead up to you "realizing" you can become a god.
Where do you people even get this shite?
>>17303550
I find it amusing how you know nothing of the thing you claim to be in. You ask for the light way beyond the first degree. Freemasons worship lucifer, by the 33rd degree you've started wearing a fez and you're now a moslem shriner.
Go learn something.
freemasons have been infiltrated a long long time ago by people giving wrong morals and views in the ranks. Its time to move on and forget that path because you will only get closer to darkness not light
>>17303522
fag
>>17303994
Good one
You got 'im
>>17303994
Because I tell you the truth, I am become your enemy?
>>17299869
Nothing, beyond the 3rd degree gets insteresting. As far as I know the first year you may only listen the second year you have some other rights and the third year(3rd degree) you can finally speak the way they do. What happens beyond 3, I have no idea, they didn't talk that much about it. Most of them were 3rd degree. I'm thinking of joining up in the future when I have 300 dollars a year to spend.
>>17304038
Hoover Dam will fall.
NYC will be flooded. (Nuke hitting the water)
Water will be 7 stories high.
Behold, I told you beforehand.
>>17304114
I don't mind what happens to earth
>>17303967
I find it amusing that you think you know anything about Masonry having only learned from tinfoil wearing liars who are easily disproven.
>You ask for the light way beyond the first degree.
There are a couple of degrees/grades where a similar statement is made, but vastly different context. Can you name them?
>Freemasons worship lucifer
Only the Christian ones. But sectarian matters are never discussed in lodge.
>by the 33rd degree you've started wearing a fez and you're now a moslem shriner.
Those are separate things. Shrine no longer requires 32nd or Templar membership as a precursor.
>>17304038
>$300 dollars a year
Blimey, that's expensive. Reasonable, but most of the old codgers bitch about things being reasonably priced above $100/yr.
Seriously why join a secret society. Everything is already on the internet.
>>17299869
master mason, here.
don't expect anything. most of those who are initiated think that it's an elite organization with money being thrown around.
in reality, you're lucky to have found a lodge that hasn't closed. the lodge i was initiated, passed, and raised in shuttered over a decade ago.
>>17303040
lol. what a load of crap.
>>17304364
I studied to become a freemason. 3.5 years of my own studying before I even considered visiting a lodge. God took me out of that nonsense, Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I got a friend out of prison just by saying "Your honour, I'm looking for a square deal, I wander from the east to the west and from the west to the east."
I know all the little tricks you people have and the things beyond you. Freemasonry is the slowest, most tedious and boring way to finding out lucifer is the light you keep asking about. zzz
>>17304807
>I studied to become a freemason. 3.5 years of my own studying
On ATS, Freemasonry Watch, or through David Icke?
>I got a friend out of prison
Oh, I'm sure you did. Man, you should have represented all those other Masons who were convicted of crimes and tried to use their connexions to get out of it only to be slammed by judges who were also members.
>Freemasonry is the slowest, most tedious and boring way to finding out lucifer is the light you keep asking about.
Probably because that doesn't happen.
>>17304838
Neither.
Kek, you don't believe me. The judge came to the friends house, said the cocaine was there because they had friends over and thus nothing happened. The judge himself, came, over. Read it carefully, kiddo.
Meh, now you're just boring. I'm out.
>>17304850
>Neither
Ah, Infowars then.
>Kek, you don't believe me.
I don't, because that same judge came over to my house for brunch and told me, "Damn nigga, that namefag ain't never tried to pull that shit."
>I'm out.
Okie dokie. Try using facts and logic next time
:3
>>17304865
i have god above my head and my feet on the ground, and ive been harassed and spied upon by freemasons who have lied and decieved. i can see your actions.
unless you have a friend who is a mason, who you really trust will be honest with you, dont join. they abuse their members far more than those around them.
make sure several people know if you are being harassed. you dont need to explain why you are being harassed or how you know, but they wait until the first person you turn to is controlled by them.
>>17301372
That's propaganda, dolt.
Masonry = Jewry.
I've heard from a freemason (reputable source) a few days after his initiation that not everyone at the ceremony was alive.
Does this sound accurate?
ITT: Newfags argue with that one lonely fucktard who always posts Free Mason bait threads.
Pro-Tip: He's a desperately lonely shut in who just wants you to interact with him.
>>17299923
lol this guy. you need to get out of the house more, bud.
>>17304807
You smell like William Schnoebelen, a smart guy for sure, but a possible con man too.
The Freemasons you can join are not the Freemasons you think you've heard about.
The ones with all the occult knowledge are very far up the ladder. Only people of affluence are welcome in those positions.
The rest of the Freemasons work like any other organization. They sell you membership to their secret club, but the membership is only superficial. It's there to take your money while you attend meetings and meet other members to give you the illusion that you're actually getting what you paid for. These groups are rich because of the members at the bottom who are willing to shell out money to be a part of something.
Even people you may meet who tell you that they're far up the masonic ladder probably don't know anything either.
>>17305124
Sounds like a Rose Croix Perfection i went to. One guy there was so old, that when we had port as part of the ceremony, it damn near killed him.
>>17305574
Indeed. I have also met fairly old people in lodges around here.
It was most likely a joke, they either were alive and old or their part was playing a dead man.
>>17301164
>le edgy just a bunch of old guys playing dress up reddit meme
its basically the protestant mafia m8
OP: "Guys, what's with the ball gag?"
>oooooooo the Shriners built a hospital... Spooooooooky! They're going to take over the world
Lol you RP faggots think that freemasonry is some ancient cult. OP all they care about is learning how to be a gentleman and how to best serve God (or whatever it is you believe in)
>>17303550
>Where do you people even get this shite?
The internet
>2016
>still believing the taxil hoax
>still believing Pike's fake three world wars quote
ishygddt
>>17299869
They will make you to fuck a dead pig
>>17305804
Ur moms a mason?
>>17305174
Am I selling you anything? How in the world could I con you? Haha.
>>17304024
>I am become your enemy
full retard
they good boys, they dindu nuffin! :^)
>>17299869
freemasonry isnt evil, you fucking idiots, just another secret society.
this is a 33rd degree mason and he knows his shit, you christians think you know the occult. keep watching youtube conspiraces about the ILLUMINATI AND FREEMASONRY, regardless of the knowledge that the VATICAN still owns us, along with unseen forces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBoA1686BQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXn-bftZ3A
>>17303210
Worshiping Bahomet is a conflict with most people's religious beliefs.
You're just too low on the food chain to know what's really going on.
Again, you're like a few degrees in; you have no idea what the 33 degrees and higher are doing.
>>17306494
Of course the Jesuits control the freemasons.
>>17306524
There are more than just one organisation influencing freemasonry.
>>17306548
Not influencing.
Controlling.
>>17305804
that's Eton you tit.
They also force the younger years to be sex slaves. That's where the term 'fag' comes from.
>>17299869
it's basically a religion with only a few people get to go to the service. except they clearly state it's not a religion so whatever.
they're about charity and watching eachother's backs mostly
but like any cult like thing they won't be happy unless it looks like you're busting a nut for them
>>17306569
There are more groups controlling it then.
>>17307199
Sorry about your thread dude, it was a good one :/
If you're the same guy that is
>>17307111
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
>>17307205
He obviously deleted it.
>>17307228
...why is that obvious?
It's possible sure, but I've been banned for posting stuff about Jesus so I'm pretty sure it got deleted
>>17307244
>>17307228
Deleted by mods I mean
>>17307244
You're right. It's not obvious. It's possible. But he wasn't banned, and the thread didn't 404.
>>17307248
When I clicked on it I got the ol' 404 screen...
I'm honestly not that computer savvy so I don't know what that means...
>>17307256
His lack of an explanation, and his post of a ".", is certainly puzzling.
>>17300449
Typical? Does this sort of thing occur regularly?
>>17307271
The Luciferian elites practice these things weekly, if nor more frequently. Ravaging the innocent is their highest form of worship to their demon god.
>>17307282
source?
>>17307295
Windswept House, or Keys of/to This Blood, both by Malachi Martin, an ex-Jesuit whistleblower.
>>17299874
This. Why are all the Freemasons such anal loving fruitbats?
prepare you're anus. Really.
He asked for advice from Freemasons, not conspiracy theorizing faggots.
>>17307306
Because it's a perversion of what sex is supposed to be
Luciferians love all forms of shitty, pissy, bloody degeneracy
>>17307305
>Keys of/to This Blood
Those are not real sources, dude.
>>17306520
>Worshiping Bahomet is a conflict with most people's religious beliefs.
Good thing we don't do that. And I'm guessing you mean the evil Baphomet thing made recently, and not the misspelling of Baptist/Abu fihama.
>Again, you're like a few degrees in; you have no idea what the 33 degrees and higher are doing.
Then what degree are you, where you know what they are doing, but still don't seem to understand what the degrees are?
>>17304001
This gave me a right fucking giggle. Thanks m8y p4l.
>>17307534
Don't humor these people.
>>17307552
I know I shouldn't, but the inconsistencies amuse me, as well as their convoluted and flat out wrong ideas about the structure of Masonry.
>>17307559
Then they look at you like you're the one who's wrong and you know nothing.
>>17307584
Meh, I'm not overly fussed about the opinions of people in the wrong.
Truth will out, after all.
>>17299869
this
>>17307621
Your patience is to be admired, brother.
Some of the claims I've read in this thread; honestly hilarious.
>>17307534
what are the degrees?
>>17307675
kek I love this
Of course they're just gonna think you're shilling.
>>17307675
Oh I love them. Conspiracies about lodge stuff are usually hilarious, and I enjoy trying to see where they came from. WCY used to (still does?) have a segment on them which was interesting. Most relate to Taxil or Morgan, though.
>>17307773
Lessons, not ranks. As such, every member (and non-member) is able to know everything about the organisation, but the degrees just give them study points.
>>17307801
Still, some lodges do some spooky shit.
>>17307825
Such as?
>>17307801
So degrees are like college degrees, but smaller?
>>17307849
More like school lessons. But they encourage you go study outside of them, providing just an anchoring point.
Like, the 2nd degree is all about a classical education, but you're required to look elsewhere to really learn about the Trivium and Quadrivium, and how to apply it to your life. Then the HRA is about your relationship with your beliefs, encouraging you to analyse the individual aspects of them. Plus a bit of lexiology.
And so on.
>>17307205
It's alright man, used to it. Truth is not loved in the world.
>>17307989
Is that why a high percentage of people deny Science and love religion, because truth is not loved in this world?
>>17308047
That's what we Christians say about creation science and the religion of the evolution pseudo science paradigm.
>>17308047
Religion is not of God.
What you think is science is pseudo-science.
God created science.
I love science, real science. The stuff you peddle today as science any 10 year old that knows the Bible and has God as his or her guide can destroy.
This world hates truth.
>>17308062
Evolution has evidence to support it. Science follows the evidence where it leads, it's no one's fault that the universe is such that there doesn't need to be a creator.
>>17308063
I'm sure you know what you're talking about. They hate the truth that Jesus never existed, by your logic, because that's the least taken serious subject in academics.
>>17308047
God bless you, I hope you find the truth man.
The Bible way to Heaven. Salvation is simple.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY
The breath of Life: Setting the captives free
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paY4JKNIZ2U
>>17308104
>Implying the afterlife is real
>>17308104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ao0tVrpNc
>>17308142
>>17308153
No one wants to see your shitty pictures or videos.
>>17308163
There are some.
>>17308153
We get it. You hate yourself and our world which you believe your irrational delusion to be true. Be like Jesus and kill yourself.
>>17308176
Pride is the only sin God resists. Be careful not to harden your heart, you have clearly seen my posts before and yet you do not research, nor pray to God. That will be your destruction.
>>17308176
Jesus was killed you dummy
You know that
>>17308163
I do, although I've seen a lot of them already I'm sure there's others who haven't
>>17308203
Christian circlejerk.
Jesus never existed, so he was never killed.
>>17308199
"Rambling "christian" bullshit about how everything in world culture points to the most childish of sky daddies being the real one"
*out-of-context bible quote that I think proves my point here*
>>17308209
Well there's historical accounts from different witnesses.
You believe historical accounts of other people but not Jesus.
Why you guys no liek Jesus so much?
>>17308219
Because it's the truth, they can't stand it.
>And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>>17308219
I don't think Buddha existed either.
>>17308109
>implying the afterlife isn't real
>>17308219
Also, what historical accounts. What do they say?
>>17308229
You just got a hate boner for all spirituality don't you?
The universe sprang from literal nothingness and all that?
>>17308227
Way to prove my point.
>And thus he posteth thine divine scripture abruptly and henceforth without reason, for he who does not know shall be damned by his actions against his Lord.
Btw, you're not Christian. You're a cultist of Yahweh.
>>17308232
You don't exist before you're born, it's likely you don't exist after you die.
>>17308241
The Universe always existed, just not in the current state it's in now.
>>17308233
Well there's the gospels of the bible, but since you hate the bible and don't believe in it you can check out this site
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/
It probably won't satisy you with your anti-Christ bias though. Also there may be better websites on the subject, I'm not sure
If you truly cared about the truth you would look for it yourself
>>17308282
I know all the historical references and what they say, I was checking if you do, since you don't then there's a chance that you don't know their problems.
>>17308282
>NK's Lil Kim is real
>Lil Kim has propaganda about him doing great feats, miracles and other outlandish things
>Lil Kim is a deity
Jesus probably was real. The stories attached to him however.....
>>17308245
Christians worship Jehova...
>>17308299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U
>>17308312
The apex of ignorance.
>year 1717+299
>/x still believes that a boring gentleman's club deals with souls and or runs the world or plots to do it
All the masonic materials have been published you can read what they are doing, also the lodges got websites where you can apply and check the members...
>>17308411
He knows more about this shit than you do, you imbecile.
>>17308461
Nope.
>>17308502
What the fuck do you know then that he doesn't?
They just make you tell them you want the light. In the higher degrees the occult knowledge is greater and it is revealed that the source of the "light" is satan, who they believe to be the light bearer. You can read some of Albert Pike's writings if you want to get an idea. I went up the same pyramid of "knowledge" as you are embarking on, but when I got to the top I chose God. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven and all other paths lead to destruction. I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH THE LIFE that's what He said and it's all I can do to help you.
>>17308533
We've already covered how wrong this is.
>>17308550
Where? Genuinely curious.
>>17308512
He knows the truth, as do I
Once you learn that Lucifer is the father of all lies it is easy to spot his lies. His web is weaved all around you but you don't see it because at the moment it's all you know. I hope you can see through it one day
>>17308584
Right, you claim you come bearing fruit but there's nothing but air in your hands.
>>17308599
If you say so
>>17308603
They are completely blind. At least we try to tell them, God bless.
Close your eyes.
Relax.
Be honest.
Enjoy.
You will never be initiated again, and it's something that, sometimes, you long to feel again.
>>17308606
God is a myth, you retard. You don't sound well read, you sound like a moron. Everything is a satanic conspiracy to you and even a Freemason thinks you're a retard.
>>17308617
>even a freemason thinks you're a retard
Ok...why does that have any significance?
You don't sound too well read yourself boyyo. And the truth has nothing to do with cramming different ideas into your head and spouting fancy words. There is one truth
>>17308630
>>17308617
Im not the guy you were replying to by the way, sorry for butting in I guess
Lucifer is not the father of all lies. He's the angel of Knowledge, and the one who brought reason to humans.
By these kind of statements, you can easily spot the wikipedian wise men.
>>17308617
"God is a myth."
You call me stupid, unread etc. I'm not here to write fancy words etc. I am here to tell the truth, end of story. I could easily show off with fancy words, insults that you'd have a hard time realising were insults etc.
Want to know what the infinite God, with infinite wisdom and infinite creativity and infinite knowledge says about you?
The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
>>17308686
lucifer is the father of lies. God, who has infinite knowledge, said so. Stop being foolish.
>>17308686
>Lucifer is not the father of all lies. He's the angel of Knowledge, and the one who brought reason to humans
Classic Luciferian lying
>>17308695
>>17308690
>lucifer is the father of lies.
You're confusing satan for lucifer.
>>17308690
Which God are you talking about?
Anyway, I believe you're trolling here, so... NEXT.
>>17308695
Of course I'm Luciferian. I worship knowledge and reason.
>>17308709
Indeed they are... classic wikipedian wise men
>>17308709
No I'm not
Satan=adversary
Lucifer is God and humanity's chief adversary, which is where the title comes from
>>17308709
>>17308715
>>17308722
I honestly have no more words for you. You are the apex of ignorance and foolishness. Good job.
>>17308730
John 8:44
Verse Concepts
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Satan,-As-Deceiver
>>17308737
Thank you very much, I'm really thankful that you are not going to talk to me anymore, I reject the idea of absolutism and fanatism. Good-bye
>>17308730
And Lucifer = light bringer. That's where the title comes from for Christ.
>>17308737
You should try reading The Bible sometime.
>>17308770
The Morningstar
>>17308745
Okay, why are you showing me this out of context quote? This is Jesus talking to people who don't love him.
I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just asking why you showed it to me
>>17308770
If you say so m8
>>17308792
He's speaking about Satan. The Father of Lies.
>>17308792
>If you say so m8
I don't. The Romans do. It's their language. That's the word they used to refer to the planet Venus.
>>17308796
Yes, but Lucifer is Satan. Lucifer is the chief adversary of God and humanity. Satan=adversary. Lucifer=Satan. Who else would it be? Who else led a revolt against God and his angels?
>>17308770
>Lucifer is Jesus
>Lucifer is GOD
sure thing kiddo.
>>17308814
>Satan=adversary. Lucifer=Satan.
Well no. You're fucking up the translation if you think that's the case.
They're both adjectives.
>>17308824
Yea. You haven't read the Bible?
Lucifer is a term for the Avatara Christ, as He acts as a herald/light-bringer for God, much like Venus is the light-bringer of the sun.
>>17308836
k
>>17308827
Top kek m8 you are literally missing the point so completely it's ludicrous.
Those three words are nouns by the way you dingus
>>17308842
>three
?
>The Jedi adversary is a Sith
>adversary is not an adjective
Any found footage film recommendation?
i've already seen
poughkeepsie
megan is missing
lake mungo
borderlands
the gallows
as above so below
cloverfield
cannibal holocaust
the one that shows some murderers commiting sadistic crimes, blood everywhere, and sex.
Delivery, the beast within
Alien abduction
Noroi desu senpai
Blairwitch
>>17308842
What is the point, then?
>>17308857
The point is I'm not translating Lucifer to mean Satan.
What I am saying is satan means adversary.
Lucifer is God's adversary
That is why Lucifer is called Satan
You with me?
>>17308852
I don't know what you're trying to say. You're either a few steps behind or trying to derail this
>>17308890
And the point I'm trying to make is that Lucifer isn't a name of a particular thing. Put aside the absurdity of God having an adversary, you're using the Latin phrase of light-bearer/morning-star incorrectly, and ignoring it's other usages in the Bible, such as when referring to Christ.
Do you have anything supporting your claim beyond a 17th century mistranslation in the KJV?
>>17308911
I have my interpretation, you have yours. Lucifer's fall is described in the bible. He was a beautiful bright star of God's creation and he fucked it all up because of his pride. Jesus Christ comes along in the book of Revelation to replace Lucifer as the king of this earth, but he is brighter and more beautiful than Lucifer could be because he is the son of God
Hello everyone. Just joining the conversation. Is one required to be religious to join the masons? And, what personal information is a new member required to give over?
>>17305175
Knowing nothing about freemasonry but a shitload about evolutionary biology and law, this is what I believe, this guy. It would be basically impossible for the idea of Freemasonry to be untouched by extensive monetization simply because it's something everyone knows about and is at least vaguely interested in. I've yet to see one thing in this world no matter how mysterious or sacred that isn't being chopped up and sold in plastic bags.
I have a question:
I live in the UK. After looking at my local lodge's website they say the minimum age requirement is 21, yet in the UK there is nothing legally that requires you to be 21 (drinking, buying alcohol etc is all just 18+).
I checked out an American lodge's website, and there you only have to be 18, yet in America there are things like drinking alcohol that require you to be 21. What gives?
>>17305175
Which is honestly alright. If it takes someone a yearly fee to feel like they are apart of something, and the something they joined is actually doing some good, (giving them work drive, a reason to livee, feeling more apart of their community and wanting to help out) then I don't see anything wrong with it. Even though a bit unnecessary, I'm sure the rituals and dress up just further help the person immerse themselves.
>>17309072
Probably brain maturity+culture. You're brain is still doing a lot of development till it's 25, so maybe they want to make sure you're mature enough. Over hereit could just be culture though because we send soldier's out at 18, so that is seen as 'adult'.
>>17308953
>I have my interpretation, you have yours.
Indeed. And mine is based on the Bible, and yours is apparently based on a mistranslation of Samael at one point, which then fucks up the tone elsewhere.
>>17308997
Not religious per se, but to have a belief in a supreme creative being/force.
No information required to be given, but they might ask you about it.
>>17309063
>It would be basically impossible for the idea of Freemasonry to be untouched by extensive monetization
We'd probably be better off if that were the case. People have made money of Masonry, but Masonry hasn't made much money off people.
>>17309072
It's just a throwback. Their current reasoning is that you're going to be a bit more mature at 21, and better able to support yourself. Most American ones are 21. It's just the places which forbid alcohol where 18 is permitted.
If you're a Lewis (son/grandson/etc of a Mason), you can get in at 18 regardless.
>>17299869
Dunno. I had blood and a direct entry into the Freemasons at a young age and still do. I was never directly asked but my family all tried to point me toward that.
Declined. Now the black sheep of them, but the person that was the link is now dead. He did not judge nor push. I view the living family as leeches.
>>17309102
Yeah totally, because I wasn't literally referencing the bible in my post.
Bro, do you even read?
>>17309132
You were referencing what I'm sure you think is in the Bible. Totally.
>>17309116
I see, interesting, and thanks for the reply. Im not convinced id be the right fit in that case, but i do have my sincere curiosities.
>>17309145
Fair enough. There are fake Masonic groups which admit atheists if you were ever that curious. But be warned a lot of them are just cash grabs, even if they do use a proper (enough) ceremonial.
>>17309138
So the book of Isiah and the book of Revelation where these references to son of the morning and morning star aren't the bible?
That's funny because it is
>>17309229
That would depend on your translation.
http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_morningstar.html
>>17308854
the atticus institute
the taking of deborah logan
not the best but ....
>>17309252
I use the KJV which is the right version
His name is Lucifer, deal with it
LALALALA I can't hear you!
Lel but seriously...I'm right
>>17309269
>I use the KJV which is the right version
Hah, good one.
>>17309116
How would you go about finding out if you're a 'Lewis'? Is it something parents/grandparents tend to make their children aware of or do they keep it hidden?
>>17299869
Suck dick
Take dicks in ass
Clean toilets. FUCK a mason
>>17309279
Usually you'd notice your father heading out once a month in a tux carrying a briefcase with apron in it. Or you might have noticed something at their house. Otherwise yea, you'd ask, or they'd tell.
If that's no longer possibly, you could also ask the Grand Lodge of your state/country [where they lived mostly] if they had them on record.
>>17309284
OK thanks, would a further relative (great grandparents etc) be worth anything or would it be more or less irrelevant?
I hope it isn't too much to ask but would you be able to point me towards some good reading for people intending to join? I'm only 18 so I have a few years to get ready. Also, are the any prejudices against people who are overweight? I'm quite chubby so it would give me time to lose some weight. Thanks.
>>17309300
Those should still work. But not having had to deal with it myself, i couldn't tell you exactly. Plus, i think it varies from place to place. If you're in the UK, Grand Lodge there did publish all their membership records from earlier than 1920, which might help.
Otherwise it could be that you have to be related to someone living, or even in the lodge you're joining. Worth asking them about if you're keen, at least. Especially since University Lodges admit 18yr olds (and have a different schedule, to account for the students).
>I hope it isn't too much to ask but would you be able to point me towards some good reading for people intending to join?
Oh man, I was asked this the other day, and i still haven't come up with anything great. Plenty of stuff for AFTER you've joined, but it's tough to think of anything which is tantalising, yet doesn't go through too many spoilers.
I think in the last thread i recommended Revd. Neville Barker-Cryer's books like York Mysteries Revealed (frightfully dull, but explains more history than you could imagine) and the Royal Arch Journey (again history). Peterborough Booklets, which are often given to interested guys to explain bits of it, but they're about as good as pamphlets you get from Grand Lodge. Beyond the Craft by Keith Jackson is great fun for explaining all the side degrees, and thus places Masonry a bit. Revd. George Oliver's The Book of the Lodge is also good regarding expectations, but it might be a bit advanced.
Magazines are great too, like The Square. Freemasonry Today has "Best of Ten Years" edition for £1 with Lewis Publishing.
>Also, are the any prejudices against people who are overweight?
Only from the Wardens and Deacons, because at one point you have to be laid flat from a standing position, and afterwards lifted back up. If you're in a Scottish lodge, they actually carry you on a stretcher. Had a guy once who was at least 150kg and damn near seven feet tall. That was a work out...
>>17309300
Now that i think about it, with magazines, you could probably ask the Grand Lodge you'll be petitioning to subscribe to theirs (should be free if you're going to join).
But try not to get too caught up on just Masonic books (like most of us do). It's pretty damn important to read things like Cicero, Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Galileo, Copernicus, Marcus Aurelius, and others like that for reasons which will become clear in the 2nd and 3rd degrees.
Revd. George Oliver also has The History of Initiation which is apparently great for explaining the purposes of the degrees by covering initiations in other cultures.
Sorry for the disjointed answer.
>>17306494
Manly p hall in the Secrets of All Ages talks about the power of Lucifer .
So yeah it's a Lucifarian cult.
Would not trust freemasonry personaly
>>17306494
The Vatican and Freemasonry are both evil.
>>17309326
>>17309336
Thanks a lot for all the information. One final round of questions and I'll stop bugging you: do you have any advice for joining? Would it be better to turn up at the lodge or apply online? Is there a dress code, and would it be worth investing in a decent suit?
>>17309370
Yep. They're both Luciferian
>>17309365
Look at the context, though. Plus, Hall wasn't a Mason.
>>17309375
Best thing is to ask someone you know, but otherwise ask online might be easiest. See if your local has a facebook or website, just because most of the time there won't be anyone at the lodge building.
You could also ask your Grand Lodge, and they'll point you in the right direction.
As for a suit, I would always say yes, but it depends on where you are. Most places require a tuxedo or morning suit, but in America, you could get away with any dark suit, since they often just have tuxedo for officers (or in the case of Pennsylvania, tailcoats).
So again, ask them when you apply, but bear in mind it never hurts to have a good suit.
>>17301348
i thought the lyrans were the good guys :(
>>17309375
>would it be worth investing in a decent suit?
Gotta look spiffy to impress all those boys down at the cool guys club.
>>17309397
Great, thanks for all the help.
>freemason
>>17309626
>Drake
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>>17310010
Shepard.
>>17309160
Grand Orient an Le Droit Humain, correct?
>>17309388
Oh no, you learn things in Freemasonry, that makes it Luciferian. I bet you think colleges are Luciferian too.
>>17310273
No. I think worshipping Lucifer is Luciferian you dipshit
>>17309388
>The Vatican is luciferian
never change /x/
>>17307444
When whistleblowers write books of what they experienced inside secret societies, and then suddenly die, maybe pay attention.
Illuminati Unmasked is another good source for this kind of stuff.
That you think such sources should be readily available in the open air shows how dumb you are.
>>17307534
I meant what I posted, and your organization is evil. You are just a nobody in it, and don't know. Your ignorance still counts against you.
>>17310366
We won't. We'll keep telling the truth, and you'll keep believing the lies.
Malachi Martin revealed even greater detail of a Luciferic "enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican" in his book, "Windswept House": "The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer was effected within the Roman Catholic Citadel on June 29, 1963; a fitting date for the historic promise about to be fulfilled. As the principal agents of this ceremonial well knew, Satanist tradition had long predicted that the Time of the Prince would be ushered in at the moment when a Pope would take the name of the Apostle Paul [Pope Paul VI]."
>>17310299
Who said they worship Lucifer? They have people of all religions in the Freemasons.
>>17310393
Except Lucifer was never an Archangel, he was a cheribum. The whole thing's bullshit, but he should at least get it right.
>>17310395
The path begins with the Grand Lodges, which promote The Builders.
The Builders points to The Mysteries of Magic, which states that Lucifer is God.
The path from the Grand Lodges to Luciferianism and/or Satanism is quite short.
"What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil, The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the Paraclete, it is the Holy Spirit, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism."
(The Mysteries of Magic, page 428)
>>17310397
Cherubim are Seraphim can be Archangels. It's not my words; it's a quote. See the little quotation marks?
Michael is an Archangel, and he did not outrank Lucifer.
>>17310395
Hidden camera video. Haven't seen it. Looks interesting.
youtube slash watch?v equals BCjX7Cp2n0A
Hidden Camera Exposed Masonic Ritual Satan Worship
>>17310421
Page has link to English version
youtube slash watch?v equals gbRmRk...
>>17310424
>>17310421
>>17310395
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gbRmRkZxYk0
>>17310366
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpVrtv2t-M
Please watch the video, or don't. It's up to you
>>17310510
All of this shit is myth anyway, who cares?
What is it about threads about Freemasons that bring all the Christ-fags out of the woodwork?
>>17310602
They hate the truth.
>>17310583
I used to think so too anon. It's a conclusion you have to come to on your own
But if it's a myth, why would the Vatican sneakily refer to Lucifer as God? What's the point? Why wouldn't the Vatican just stay dindu nuffin nothing good boys instead of going against what they claim to believe?
>>17310612
The irony
>>17310620
I was making fun of that prince guy, you pseudo-intellectual.
>>17310619
Because it's a myth, that's why. Deep down they know it. Deep down you know that it makes no difference because all this shit is fake.
>>17310473
Thanks. I have a few quirks. I never start threads , never post images, and never embed videos. Not sure why.
>>17310637
My bad, I thought you were saying Christians hate the truth. I'm a Christian and it's those under Lucifer's spell who hate the truth.
Miscommunication I guess
>>17310652
>Lucifer's spell
Made up characters have all the power in the world, don't they?
