I found this closed auction for a "real" magic book from the Ottoman Empire.
Anyone here know Arabic, who might give us some clues to what this book is about?
It also looks kind of masonic on this picture (Square and compass).
http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,274560970,var,Ottoman-Empire-1785-Real-magic-book-Spells-very-valuable-manuscript-140-pages,language,E.html
Posting more pics from the site...
Nübüvvet means being a prophet.
But that's all I know. If someone can latinize the Arabic language I can translate it to English probably.
Another
>>17527696
First pic is Lunar Houses, that's stellar magick or something related to the moon cycle.
I don't read the shit, though, so there's that.
>>17527709
Nice!
Unfortunately, I can't. Hopefully someone else here could do it.
Here is the last one.
>>17527720
Hayvan = Animal
Hayvan Hastalığı = Animal Sickness
>>17527711
Most likely early magick squares for sigil tracing or other various numerical theory.
Good chance your text derives in some way from Shams-al-Ma'arif.
>>17527724
Possibly a curative charm to protect herds of small animals. That or an equivalent curse.
Hard to tell without being well versed in the language or the source grimoires.
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>>17527726
Very interesting! I have to check out that grimoire.
>>17527724
>>17527735
Practical household magic. Got to love it.
>>17527726
Pretty sure that's a tawiz, a technique for casting spell
>>17527696
ottomans didnt have lined paper.
>>17527696
doesn't look like magic to me, just some symbols and words like "oh allah" and "no god but allah mohamed his messenger" and lots of "allah" and "him" around the circle
>>17527704
cant understand this its probably persians or turkish
>>17527888
>ottomans didnt have lined paper.
The ruler wasn't invented for another 852 years.
>>17527969
First page is basically this below masonic thingy
> no god but allah mohamed his messenger
and this is not turkish it is arabic but turkish side notes there (in latin script) such as "nubuvvet" "hayvan hastaligi" etc.
Bampo
>>17527696
>Ottoman Empire
Bro, that shit aint even 20 years old.
https://www.instagram.com/veeveeveeveevee/
i'll just leave this here
>>17528449
what the fuck is this
>>17528476
Was about to ask the same thing.
>>17528449
I think you posted on the wrong thread mate
>>17528449
>>17524628
>>17528449
Too funny.
hey dude, it'S no magic
it's simply saying that there is no god but allah and mohamed is his messenger >>17527696
and the >>17527711
is just some basic prayers, god forgive my sins and stuff like that
>>17527696
and the pages are to good looking to be a book from ottoman empire
>lined with margin
>from ottoman empire
Yeah like some other anons on this thread I'm going to have to go ahead and say this isn't legit. It very well might be a book of magic written in Arabic but it's much newer than the 1700s.
Now I have no idea what the cover looks like but judging by the lined pages and the ware of it the note book could be from the 1970s. Now it could be a hand written copy of an older text but it's still not worth 600 euro in my opinion. Not to mention the listing looks sketch as fuck. And some of the pages look more like a book to practice hand writing than anything.
i can make one like this in one week
>>17527888
It dissolved in 1922.
>>17527696
>>17527704
>>17527711
>>17527720
Can't read it or even see this is clearly shoddy writing; since when did the Ottoman Empire have ruled notebooks?
>HURR DURR I CNT RED AND IS HAND WRITTEN SO MAGIC
>>17530769
end yourself.
>>17530773
No need to get angry kiddo; just accept your idiocy.
>>17528449
>>17528476
>>17528482
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBOCipArHel/
If the book is from the ottoman empire there is a good chance that the writing is ottoman turkish, which is basically old turkish written in arabic letters. Even if you find someone that reads arabic they wouldn't be able to make sense of this.
Depending on the age of the book and the style of ottoman used in writing, you might need someone who can translate ottoman turkish, which you can find mainly in universities.
Anyways, turkish internet is full of creepypasta about these magic grimoires, djinns and etc. Modern day mediums and charlatans in turkey and surrounding middle eastern countries still use similar books. Never seen, or heard one that works though.
>>17530808
>never seen, or heard one that works though.
Because magic isn't re-
OOPS. Almost ruined everything for you guys. :(
>>17528580
>>17530769
>>17528405
>what is transcription of older materials into new notebooks
>>17528550
You'd be shocked at how stuffed full of that shit the old Arabic grimoires were, especially after like 1000 or so AD.
>>17530830
"
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Ottoman Empire (1785) Real magic book. Spells very valuable manuscript. 140 pages"
Sorry, what was it you were saying about transcription?
>>17530830
>You'd be shocked at how stuffed full of that shit the old Arabic grimoires were, especially after like 1000 or so AD.
do you of any that's not full of shit?
>>17530831
>1785
Sweet.
Arabic grimorie traditions have been around for just about a thousand years. Without knowing the language better and running cross comparisons I cannot say what's what, but that it's handwritten tells me that the date of the notebook or whatever may be irrelevant in the face of what's inside the notebook, which could be newer mysticism or something old like Shams-al-[whatever].
I'm trying to tell the mouth breathers that I can most certainly transcribe a copy of Sefer Raziel which is old as dirt into a fresh new wal-mart notebook, and it'd still be my copy of an 'ancient' text.
>>17530844
Yes, what matters is the essential elements of the original text. This is a concept found in religion, but also in the occult as well. The "kitab" and the "mus-haf" being the concepts in more defined form.
>>17530844
>auction
>real magic book
>€600
>1785
>MANUSCRIPT
Can you even read/logic?
>>17530862
I...I don't see any problem here. Manuscript just means handwritten. Yes it's from 1785; nothing I've said conflicts with that fact. It costs 600 gbp; which is a pretty good deal for similar material. Yes, it's real magick, probably derived from something like Shams-al-[insert preferred grimoire here], and is being sold via auction.
Literally nothing in the post you're replying to conflicts with these facts.
>>17530867
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-manuscript-and-transcript
>>17530867
(preemptive response to your idiocy because I'm done here.)
Holy shit, your meager knowledge on the subject is blinding you completely to the obvious.
Find a less antisocial hobby maybe.
>>17530877
>Holy shit, your meager knowledge on the subject is blinding you completely to the obvious.
Then explain it to me so I understand what you're trying to say here?
>>17530869
???
I must be a blind idiot because I got no idea what the disconnect here is...
>>17530877
>this buttblasted
>>17530886
>believes in magic
Just ducking in the thread to say that when I get off work in a few hours I can either romanize or translate the script if there's still a need. I'm not a native speaker so I can't do it on the fly
Here you go another book with another pics
>>17530867
Damn, I actually kinda thought you knew your shit Ape of. How disappointing. Even -if- this thing is a hand written copy it's still not worth what they are trying to quote it as.
>>17527696
>>17527704
>>17527711
>>17527720
Why does it look like it was written with a sharpie? Why haven't the pages yellowed?
>>17527696
I asked /mena/ to take a look at it, and this is what one kind anon said:
This is what an "Arabic" "real" magic book would look like.
Some of it is like parts of Quran but twisted normally, others are names of the demons.
Also those tables exist on on "Arabic" magic books, and you can extract numbers from names and such, I knew some method to do it in the past...
Anyway I have no real knowledge to tell you if it's legit or not (by legit I mean would an Arabic magician pay you a fortune to buy it). I know someone who used to actually read those books but I lost contact with him.
Anyway most of this books tell you to do some crazy shit, like to wash yourself with urine and go pray in Mosque regularly other madness stuff like that most of it according to those books to show your loyalty to the devil.
>>17534236
Interesting stuff.
I wish I could learn some Islamic black magick spells
>>17532581
Really, because I see much less interesting contemporary modern texts going for more. Even if it were a grocery list it'd still approach the asking price.
>>17533680
>what is thik ink from a flow-bit pen
Also those pages are yellowed. I've seen Ferdowsi manuscripts that are three hundred years older and in better condition than OP's text.
To anyone saying ruled paper wasn't around at the alleged time of text, it was invented fifteen years prior, with blue rule in music notebooks appearing even further back (though not by much). That said, lined paper was p. difficult to find until another ten years down the road but it's certainly not an impossibility.
This thread has got me thinking what books have shaped arabian magic?
Okay I can read the arabic language but dont know what it would mean, but I can google that. If this thread stays alive, I'll post the translation
>>17527773
yeah this is all taveez
My aunt was telling me about how she was going to Saudi Arabia for work (she goes there regularly), and once someone slipped all these little pots into her bag, and she didn't realize until she got there and the Saudi customs go through her bag randomly and find the little pots, and she was shit scared that it was drugs or something (because that would be death penalty for her, if she can't prove that she didn't put it in), but when they opened it, they found all these little notes with like tables and grids with single Arabic letters in each square, and numbers and random streams of just the same Arabic letter (like h h h h h h h) and weird shit like that, and they said this is black magic and she got detained for it, but they later found quite a few unsuspecting travellers with the same shit, so they got let go.
>>17540439
I can read Arabic language too, but not handwriting
>>17540563
that is pretty fucking weird
If it's true, it would be one of the most paranormal shit I have read in this board for months
>>17540570
>I can read Arabic language too, but not handwriting
wat?
I can read anything in arabic, just wouldnt know what it means
>>17527994
You realise the Ottoman empire existed until the early 20th century right?
>>17540578
Hey can you write it turkfag here can translate
>>17540594
sorry to burst your bubble but I went through the images, its basic recitations and prayers. nothing else. calligraphy was big in islam, I believe the author made this in that regard.
Can-read-Arabic dude here
Hang tight OP I'm trying my best to translate
>>17540669
Goddamnit OP I had high hopes on this shit. Pretty hard to understand. Only chants, recitations (zikr). That's it. Muslims do use this for "magick", but don't expect to levitate at will after 3 days of chanting.
>>17540669
fellow arabic-reading-bro here.
All I can understand from the text is that its surahs right? the ones you say in prayer.
