Tell me what you know about globalism.
What are the goals? Who is in control? What are their beliefs? Is it a negative thing? Where will it end up?
I'd prefer the facts but I guess conspiracy theories are good too as long as there are /some/ facts to back it up.
>>17525543
As you increase the pool of laborers beyond the labor requirements, the value of a laborer approaches zero.
The point of globalism is to reduce the value and power of first world workers destroying the middle class.
This will give the owners of capital a more complete level of control than they could have in a protectionist nation state where the population of workers is too limited.
>>17525543
Read Quigley's Tragedy and Hope and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (whether they are a fabrication or legitimate minutes of a meeting, they correspond to reality).
>>17525678
This is probably the first and only thing I've seen on /x/ that has scared me.
>>17525766
Here is a tip:
The only way to avoid subjugation is to join the upper ranks while there is still some degree of class mobility.
The time for revolution has already past. It is impossible. I know this for a fact.
Rebellion will only make you a target, sealing your fate.
This shouldn't make you scared though. You were born in time to play the greatest game that humanity has ever played.
We are playing for all the marbles this time.
Unfathomable wealth, immortality, super intelligence and complete control of our domain await the upper class. Slow decline and eventual sterilization await the rest.
>>17525678
Anything else you'd want to add? Still just looking for some grounded info.
>>17525749
Thanks for the suggestion
>>17525543
Responding to my own OP but I should have put it in there in the first place:
http://www.isgp.nl/conspiracy-theories-credible-vs-not-credible
This whole website is pretty dense with information but it seems legit and I've come across some interesting stuff (haven't gotten very far yet).
french (frank), british, denmark, and german nwo now.
they are the good (enough) guys
goal is no war, no ayy lmao
>>17525817
>I personally think the following conspiracies are bogus:
>...
>Holocaust denial
Welp, stopped reading there.
>>17525832
>An image that makes claims without evidence or sources to reference
Yeah, I'm not having it. Not on my /x/.
>>17525853
Maybe you shouldn't dismiss it just because of that. He makes a point to say that these are his personal conclusions but he lays out lots of facts, especially about relationships between the elite. Point is, he has a lot of information and it might be worth.
http://www.isgp.nl/intro#2222
He doesn't think Jews are blameless (regardless of his conclusions on the Holocaust) but he sees Zionists as only part of the problem.
>>17525817
The powerful have tasks that need to be done that can only be done by human beings. The problem is that human beings can be quite uppity.
Every decision made by the upper class stems from the need to get the lower class to complete their tasks without getting in the way of the objectives of the upper-class.
One of the most powerful methods of this within the modern capitalist system has been Taylorism. This is the process of breaking skilled tasks into several unskilled components which can then be dispersed to several unskilled workers.
Each unskilled worker forms a cog in the machine that can easily be swapped out for any other cog. This way they have no bargaining power.
The problem with this system is that it destroys the human spirit and causes mental illness which lowers productivity and motivation. To ameliorate this effect systems have been point in place that mimic the effect of self actualization through consumerism and mimicry of agency (fake democracy on the national level + fake suggestion boxes on the corporate level)
Consumerism makes people feel like they are getting their fare share of the rewards. False democracy makes people feel like they have agency. This is enough to prevent a certain segment of the population from ever thinking critically.
This is a vastly superior system to Totalitarian government because the productivity is immensely higher.
People of a certain level of intelligence can see through this easily. However, you cannot just get rid of these people because they are capable of completing important high level tasks that need to get done.
The solution is indoctrination. No matter what a person's intelligence level is they will always be vulnerable to indoctrination when you can control the inputs to their thought process. Intelligence can only help you weigh the quality of two world views. It cannot show you something that you have never seen.
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>>17525893
bro keep going
>>17525893
This is where the control of media, education and political dialogue come into play.
The public education system was designed to produce good factory workers. At the time nobody had any qualms about this because there was no middle class. Anyone that was expected to do any thinking was upperclass and they went to private school.
Public education was an investment by the upperclass to produce more productive, obedient and easily instructed workers. Thus, critical thinking would be antithetical to the goal.
As humanity developed, the need for "thinking jobs" increased. This meant that the pool of people requiring quality education increased beyond the size of the elite.
This meant that a middle class needed to be created. The problem was keeping the middle class separated from the lower class because we do not want to infect the lower class with critical thinking skills.
The solution is simple. Do not reform public education. Everyone in the two lower classes will go through the low quality public education system but the people who display a high aptitude for learning will get to move on to University where they will receive their real education.
This effectively filters all lower class humans into two groups: workers and manager/thinkers.
This middle class was never expected to grow very large. The market's needs were not adequately predicted. People didn't know how big the service sector was going to get. The growth of the middle class exploded. It became too powerful and the old methods of control did not work on it because it was too smart.
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>>17525955
The middle class is big and educated. It is involved in the democratic process. The democratic process is worth maintaining because it protects the upper class from violent revolution and increases the productivity of the lower classes.
The system works well when the lower classes merely think that they are in control but as the middle class grows and grows it eventually becomes a more powerful voting block than the easily influenced lower class.
As the middle class goes through university they are exposed to a variety of different ideas. The implementation of many of these ideas would allow them to increase their power at the expense of the upper-class.
Every person seeks to increase their power given the chance so it is ensured that this will happen.
The middle class will pool together to force policies that will redistribute wealth and control from the upper-class.
The upper-class cannot prevent this in the democractic system because they are a smaller voting block in comparison. The middle class is also able to influence lower class voters causing them to vote differently then they are expected to by the upper class.
This had to be stopped.
In the United States a military coup was attempted to temporarily destroy the democratic system. It was not successful. Interestingly not many Americans know about this event.
Another military takeover could not be attempted again without severe consequences upon failure so a more creative approach was taken.
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>>17525809
This. Couldn't have summed it up better than what's said in this one line
>Unfathomable wealth, immortality, super intelligence and complete control of our domain await the upper class. Slow decline and eventual sterilization await the rest.
>>17526011
Divide and conquer!
Create opposing groups along every line to split the class-based voting groups into small units.
Now you can recombine these groups however you want in order to select the candidate that you want to have in office.
Every ethnicity is an enemy of every other. Every ideology is an enemy of every other. Every tax bracket is an enemy of every other and so on.
They are all controlled opposition. Each group is built through grass roots NGOs and student groups. Black Lives Matter is one of the newer ones. Black groups in general are the easiest to manipulate. They are the most reliable weapon of the elite.
The idea is not to make people think what you want them to think. It is simply to divide them.
Then you add up the number of people in each group and you decide which groups you can add together to win the election.
This and this alone dictates the talking points of the candidate.
Each group has essentially been "programmed" to respond to certain key phrases in either a positive or negative way.
By spouting the positive phrases of various groups a politician adds them to his support base.
Planted or acquired community leaders also play a big role in whipping up votes. They have invested their whole lives in gaining the trust of the group so that they can point them at the appropriate candidate when election time comes. In return they get a certain bill passed from time to time or they will get some type of employment or monetary reward.
You still there?
>>17526069
Oh do go on!
>>17526011
>>17526069
>In the United States a military coup was attempted to temporarily destroy the democratic system. It was not successful. Interestingly not many Americans know about this event.
Could you elaborate?
>Divide and conquer!
>Create opposing groups along every line to split the class-based voting groups into small units.
This part is what is killing me, lately.
I'm reading everything you're saying but I wasn't here. If you have any more insight I'd be happy to listen.
>>17525809
I need to know, though, was this you? Do you really believe this, if it was?
>>17526011
Whoa explain those military coups with some more detail
>>17526141
>I need to know, though, was this you? Do you really believe this, if it was?
Yes I am the same person. I do believe it.
It becomes undeniable to anyone that reaches a certain level in society.
There is no way for the lower classes to change this system and if they did it wouldn't be a good thing anyway. It would lead to the end of humanity.
The only remaining threats are Russia and China but I am very confident that they will be subverted within the next two decades. The western system of control cannot be defended against. The only defense is to seize control of it for yourself.
>>17526151
The conspiracy occurred in 1933 as a response to the populist policies of FDR. Unfortunately, the American brass has always been committed to constitutional civilian rule so it was difficult to find someone to go along with it.
A force of veterans was put together and Major General Smedley Butler was asked to lead it. It was expected that he would go along with it because he had served the interests of the upper-class in essentially using the Marine Corps as a mercenary army to secure assets overseas but he refused resulting in the McCormack-Dickstein Special Committee on Un-American Activities
>>17526164
I know self-preservation is supposed to be the ultimate goal but I don't know about that and I'm not afraid of what could happen to me. I'm willing to go down if I have to.
I don't judge you for it but I am a little disappointed because there are so few people who understand what you are saying and I want them all on my side.
I've thought a lot about what would actually work (an alternative system) and I have some ideas but the more I think rationally the more I see that people will probably never be free again (if they ever were) so it would probably just be total rule by a new group with slightly different ideals. I disagree that it would inevitably lead to the end of humanity though. Maybe it could be better. We won't know if we don't try.
>>17526201
Interesting. Got any other information about things like this?
What do you think of the idea of false flag attacks?
What do you think about 9/11? How did it go down?
And do you really think this is the only system that could possibly work or do you think the control is just that entrenched (and the players so powerful and wealthy) that it couldn't be reversed at this point?
Check out some Alex Jones on YouTube. He gets really worked up about this stuff and kinda crazy but the majority of what he says is pretty solid. He's got like 10 documentarys out as well
>>17526164
>The only remaining threats are Russia and China but I am very confident that they will be subverted within the next two decades.
How do you think they will accomplish this? Will there be military involvement or will it be a cultural or economic thing?
And what about the Islamic State issue? What are they accomplishing with this? Could they take out the terrorists organizations if they wanted to and will they or did they create the situation on purpose?
>>17526220
The plan for 9/11 was already known by Israeli intelligence and passed on to American intelligence.
The information was suppressed and certain measures were taken to weaken America's defense.
Islamic terrorism is a key component of American foreign policy. It serves many purposes.
It justifies government actions, it weakens countries that were previously difficult to penetrate, it justifies American military presence in places where it would normally not be welcome and it splits the World Island in two weakening China and Russia by preventing a secure land connection with Europe.
>>17526238
Actually it may have been Pakistani intelligence. I can't remember
>>17526232
Islamic State has many uses but the primary two are forcing the federalization of Syria and creating a threat to Europe that will eventually result in a larger security apparatus. There is now also the possibility that many European states could be turned fascist if necessary. There is a reason why this is useful but it is complicated.
>>17526238
To clarify, you're saying the US were aware and allowed it happen but otherwise the official story is true?
Do you think the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 and other stuff are something that naturally arose out of the distrust of government or do you think that conspiracies in general (the more out there ones) are also influenced by the government? Do they have control over the internet yet? Are there still sources of reliable information and how do you find them for yourself? Or do you just read from everywhere and try to put together a cohesive picture?
>>17525543
>What are the goals?
Globalism is an economic movement. If you're thinking of NWO, that's something else entirely.
>Who is in control?
The system, numbnuts. Didn't you hear Eisenhower?
>What are their beliefs?
Whose? Mine? I believe whatever I want because I can afford to. You? You get to consume propfic the rest of the year. The people that compose all the strings I'm pulling? Fuck know what they believe. I use behavior manipulation with them because it's easier than actually convincing them that their beliefs are irrelevant.
>Is it a negative thing?
You bet your ass it is. You think everyone would be able to live with themselves after "seeing what it's like" to kill and/or rape someone? Fuck no. The only reason anyone's able to be comfortable with that shit is because we've engineered society so heavily that they legitimately don't realize how fucked up what they did is.
>Where will it end up?
Nowhere. There is no ultimate goal. It's a longevity game that does nothing but rob life of all meaning.
>>17526232
The strategy is basically the same for both: cause the governments to become increasingly strict by applying economic and military pressure making things very hard on their population then activate a fifth pillar to plunge the country into civil war.
Russia should fall first. Then China.
They are both in a much more precarious position than people realize.
The time frame cannot be predicted accurately but there are many many backup plans and adjustments. That is why the western system cannot be beat. It is relentless and can respond to any changes in the environment with ease.
The Russian and Chinese system are not flexible at all. They are brittle. The western system can be democratic, socialist, communist, fascist. It doesn't matter. It can change to anything it wants but the same people will stay in control.
The fall of these countries will cause a massive global recession which will allow the western elite to implement another wealth transference scheme like the 2008 crisis but much bigger. A lot of people will die on both sides but they would have to die at some point anyway. There are too many.
>>17526275
So in terms of people dying in civil wars...what do you think about the whole gun control debate? Is this a subtle way to disarm Americans by telling us it's for our own good or is just another way to divide us and they don't really plan to ever follow through?
>>17526260
The conspiracies are controlled opposition to prevent people from figuring out the rather simple truth.
We were waiting for an attack for more than a decade before 9/11.
9/11 was way bigger than what was wanted but you have to take what you can get. No one wanted to wait any longer. We needed to get into the middle east asap.
>>17526286
This is another division tactic. The guns don't matter at all. You don't even know who to shoot.
It doesn't matter if you kill some politician or banker we can just replace them.
There are only a few powerful people who are stupid enough to stand in the spotlight. This is usually because they are going to die from old age soon anyway (George Soros)
>>17526289
>We were waiting for an attack for more than a decade before 9/11.
What about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_millennium_attack_plots? These guys had ties to Bin Laden and al-Queda
>While in prison, Ressam revealed that al-Qaeda sleeper cells existed within the United States. This information was included in the famous President's Daily Brief delivered to President George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, entitled Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US.
I'm not sure they wanted it to happen until it happened or why would they foil these plots that could have worked? Then the guy from this plot led to the public knowledge that the government had been warned of an imminent attack.
>>17526289
>The conspiracies are controlled opposition to prevent people from figuring out the rather simple truth.
Is this true for all conspiracies or just 9/11? And how do you believe that the conspiracy theorists are controlled? Disinfo directly from government agents who are monitoring of alternative communities? Or do they just put the info out there once or twice and wait for someone legitimate to grab on? What do you think of "shills" and where would they operate?
What do you think about NSA surveillance? What do you think of Edward Snowden? Was that a good faith rogue effort to reveal the truth to people or was it part of the plan?
>>17526318
The intelligence was too solid. You can't just get the CIA to ignore a verified threat. The people who work in intelligence agencies are just regular people who love their country and want to defend it. They would blow the whistle.
You need a situation where you can cast doubt on the intelligence and make the analysts feel dumb for entertaining the idea.
The 9/11 plan sounded completely absurd at the time so it was easy for people to ignore.
>>17526289
>And how do you believe that the conspiracy theorists are controlled? Disinfo directly from government agents who are monitoring of alternative communities? Or do they just put the info out there once or twice and wait for someone legitimate to grab on? What do you think of "shills" and where would they operate?
All of these methods are being used and more. This is the basis for the system. There is always massive redundancy so that if one thing fails another will succeed.
I don't know anything about Snowden. I would assume that he is controlled opposition or he would be dead.
NSA surveillance is for spying on politicians, lobbies and businesses. It isn't for spying on regular people. That would actually be impossible without very advance A.I. to filter the data. It isn't useful for stopping terrorist attacks at all.
>>17526363
>It isn't useful for stopping terrorist attacks at all.
How have they stopped the terrorist attacks? There really haven't been any successful large scale ones since 9/11 unless you count San Bernardino and that was kind of self-planned and funded as far as I know.
Do you know anything about Saudi Arabia? I'm pretty sure they're involved in all this terrorism but I don't know all that much.
>I don't know anything about Snowden. I would assume that he is controlled opposition or he would be dead.
>NSA surveillance is for spying on politicians, lobbies and businesses. It isn't for spying on regular people
I agree. I think the Snowden thing was a show of power (probably not revealing the full extent) to make people afraid to express their opinions online. But I do think that what was revealed is true and they have been collecting data on average citizens to use in the future. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe it's google/facebook/etc. who are tasked with collecting the data of the average citizen. This way, we give up all of our habits, beliefs and personal information freely so we can be part of the fun. Much easier, I guess.
>>17526400
Terrorist attacks are stopped by HUMINT. SIGINT is for state actors.
Saudi Arabia arranges the finances and logistics for pretty much every major terrorist group that acts in the interests of the western system.
Iran supports the groups that act in the interests of BRICS (although I should really just say Russia)
>>17526425
Does it concern you that Russia has nuclear weapons? Do you think they would ever use them?
On a different note, who exactly is in charge? Who are the people at the very top and how many are there? What kind of power structure do they have? Is it ruled by a group and how do they make decisions? Do the people below them believe they are also elites and are they in on the planning or are they just hired to carry out what the real leaders want? Any thoughts on this topic?
>>17526425
>every major terrorist group that acts in the interests of the western system.
Which would these include? Do the people carrying it out (or the people who lead the terrorist organizations) know they're acting in the interests of the west or have they been manipulated by their own organizations or the western system?
>>17526458
Almost any group that is not affiliated with Hamas or Hezbollah is serving western interests.
They don't know they are serving western interests and they are not under direct control.
They are just a flame that fuel can be added to at a useful time.
>>17525832
could it be that illumy is basicly threatened by government for its good things done like this.
what if media is telling lies about illuminati ?
another false flag shit ?
>>17526450
>Does it concern you that Russia has nuclear weapons? Do you think they would ever use them?
Yes and Yes. This is the only remaining threat.
>On a different note, who exactly is in charge? Who are the people at the very top and how many are there? What kind of power structure do they have? Is it ruled by a group and how do they make decisions? Do the people below them believe they are also elites and are they in on the planning or are they just hired to carry out what the real leaders want? Any thoughts on this topic?
It is the same as any other time in history. Everyone is looking out for themselves. Alliances are fluid. Some people think they are in control when they are really just someones catspaw. Bismarck is more powerful than the King. There is no way to know when you are at the top. You just need to remain dubious. Also, there are different keys to power and generally no one holds all of them.
>>17526500
So there's no real overall group or ultimate agenda beyond greedy powerful people wanting to stay in power?
Why do they need more and more? Is it because there are more elites now so they need bigger amounts to stay on top? Why can't they just decide things are okay now and stop it right here if they already have all the power? What's pushing them to tighten their control even further? Or is this as bad as it gets (and also as good as it gets) in the US? What do you think will change in the next 10-20 years?
>>17526523
What I'm trying to ask here is really, has it been /this/ bad forever? How long has it been this way? I feel like both awareness and control has increased and things are changing.
>>17526450
Anukunaki kingship bloodline. The individuals behind the institutions of power that are able to relatively significantly influence the world. These can be divided into economic, government, religious, and media institutions. These are just various means of organizing and exercising power. The distinction between them isn't as sharp as many think; they are just different methods of deciding the direction of humanity. It stems from ideas, concepts, social contracts. The masses accept the monetary systems, they accept subjugation, they seek propaganda, they are complicit in allowing the government to be what it is, to wield the power it has. Laws are symbolic agreements collectively among a society, and look at what the people have allowed to become lawful (patriot act, NSA surveillance, wars like the Libyan invasion with no vote for approval of use of force by congress, even small time, local police thugs infringing upon rights once considered inherent in all individuals.) There are often false dichotomies such as public and private sector. People enslave themselves with consumerism, fool themselves into thinking their life's value is dependent on product consumption, their desire for power is bought off with just the smallest of crumbs. Evidently, the vast majority would rather live in ignorant bliss as happy merchants. Perhaps they have been conditioned this way intentionally. Perhaps they were just always kept in secret about the truth since the beginning in Sumeria. But you know what they say, a person is smart, but people and dumb, panicky, dangerous animals. But maybe they wouldn't be so dumb, panicky, and dangerous if they were privy to information, or had been from early on, because the further along into the conditioning process we get, the more potentially dangerous the revelation of truth would be. But maybe I've just been fooled I to thinking the revelation of truth would result in any chaos or mass violence.
>>17526523
There are different groups with different goals.
Most of them just want power for the sake of power. They usually care about family legacy. This is the same shit that has always existed throughout history. It is base instinct. These people can be taken advantage of more easily than the others.
Some people want to solve all of the worlds problems like global warming, nuclear proliferation, and mass extinction. They don't care so much about themselves and expect to die.
Some groups just want to get off the Earth and leave everyone behind. These people are dumb/naive in my opinion. This is not a common objective but it does exist.
There are also esoteric groups that have more philosophical/religious goals. These ones are the most dangerous.
Most people are now trans-humanist in some respect although they don't always understand the implications fully. A lot of people think that they are going to live way longer than a normal human lifespan if not indefinitely.
This really just scratches the surface. There are way more strange beliefs than you could imagine.
There is obviously joint discussion and planning but different people fall in and out of the different groups as time goes on. Everyone is ultimately in opposition but being an individual makes you weak.
>>17526526
Technology allows for more effective control. Exponentially more efficient propaganda messaging. Massive, interconnected monetary systems. International military operations at the drop of a hat. Etc. Obviously globalism is much easier and possible thanks to technological interconnectivity.
This benefits the masses as well. Internet and saturation of social media may make surveillance, propaganda, consumerism, etc. easier, but the access and interchange of information cannot be ignored. I absolutely think it is the saving grace. It has increased the public's awareness of truth incredibly. Society and it's power structure is far more transparent these days. Liberation and access of information is key, unfortunately the masses are still easily manipulated.
It's been this way since contact with the Annunaki.
>>17526553
So are the names of these people known publicly? If someone looked at corporate, media or government/military people would they be able to figure it out or is this info not public knowledge?
How much influence do foreign powers (European, mainly) have on United States foreign/domestic policies? Is there any sense of national identity among these people or do they form alliances indiscriminately based on what they can profit from?
>>17526576
Many significant people have their name attached to at least something of value that the public is aware of. It is hard to be powerful if you do not. The power structure would probably not be clear however.
When I spoke of esoteric groups; the people at the top are not the people that control the assets. That is why these groups are more dangerous.
There are some foreigners that have a greater amount of control over the American government than any American.
National identity is a useless construct. Alliances are determined on the basis of need.
>>17526553
>This really just scratches the surface. There are way more strange beliefs than you could imagine.
Are any of these groups interested in the welfare of the common person?
>>17526576
They think beyond/above nation levels. Globalism is the goal. One government/religion/economic system. One institution of power. One commanding source. Us and them. Us being the elite few of an elite bloodline.
US/EU/NATO/Gulf State allies aka The West. And then you have Russia and China and their web of influence. Geopolitics. One group will eventually win. Then it's the ruling elites and the masses. The masses may be siginificantly diminished during this process as world war is the most direct path toward this goal.
And then there would be a distinct us/them, black and white duality. Perhaps that is the last stage before true unity wherein we as a species transcend distinction, war becomes archaic, and we colonize space and genetically engineer the lower level life we find and become their gods while attempting to contact our Annunaki gods and eventually the ultimate God.
>>17526595
No. It's about advancement of the human race as a whole not the wellbeing of the average person.
>>17526595
>Are any of these groups interested in the welfare of the common person?
Yes, definitely. Not at the current population levels though.
Personally, I don't expect the common person to be relevant to the evolution of the planet in the long term. For me it is a matter of the ethical application anesthesia before cutting into the specimen. People die anyway. That is what they do. There is no reason for anyone to suffer though.
>>17526593
>When I spoke of esoteric groups; the people at the top are not the people that control the assets. That is why these groups are more dangerous.
Which ones are real and which ones are BS? It seems farfetched to me and I've never been able to find any reliable information that the people at the top have much belief in religion or spiritual philosophies. Usually the things that people say indicate this possibility can't be proven or are open to interpretation (symbols and associations). Or they talk about secret societies but I always figured that the weird stuff they did was purely tradition. What can you tell me about these groups?
>>17526604
So is there are no anti-globalist organizations? There's no one trying to work against the current system? Is the problem that they're split up into groups that each try to change a tiny part of the system that doesn't change the overall balance of power? Or is it just that people aren't aware of this stuff? They've got to be aware of at least some of it by now.
>>17526609
Perhaps the human mind is a powerful tool and is able to influence reality through will power. Maybe ideas/concepts are directions for the mind, input code for the brain. Perhaps a single mind alone is not that powerful, but focusing the will of a group through ritual (symbolic behavior) toward a specific goal is powerful. Maybe there is a false dichotomy between the psychological and physical reality. There are potentially forces that construct the architecture of the universe that can be influenced or harnessed to cause influence.
Maybe there are inter dimensional forces (which we often anthropomorphize in our conceptualization) that are harnessed by groups of humans through focused will. Maybe those forces actually influences the group of humans. Maybe it's a feedback loop.
Ideas seem to behave similar to conscious lifeforms. Maybe that's just the nature of all reality.
>>17526609
Some of the names mentioned in conspiracy theories are either real names of groups or rough analogues of names that are usually said or written in a different language than English.
The actual theories are complete nonsense though and the groups are completely mischaracterized.
>>17526614
Anyone that becomes fully aware will understand why it is all necessary. They might have a different idea of what the ends should be but not the means.
>>17526622
Which groups believe these things and what kind of stuff do they do to influence reality with their will? I understand that this is the basis of magical belief but which philosophy in particular would they subscribe to? Is there more than one and how do they hide this from the public? It's certainly not common knowledge that the people running this country are basically witches.
Also, do they see their actions as justified in the sense that they believe they are more enlightened than the rest of the world? Do they just not care that they are using people? Do they think the ends justify the means? Do they do "evil" things because their religious beliefs encourage it or allow it?
>>17526639
That post was a different person FYI but they slightly touched on the truth
>>17526639
I'll answer your question anyway.
In terms of whether or not they think they are more enlightened the answer is yes they do.
The term Illuminati means enlightened.
Conspiracy theorists talk about THE Illuminati but it doesn't actually refer to one group.
This term applies to competing sects of zealots which believe that they have a proper understanding of the universe and use political power to achieve their desired end state.
There are some really old ones but they really started to diversify and grow in the 1600s.
>>17526614
>>17526614
>So is there are no anti-globalist organizations?
They are often labeled terrorist groups. The non violent ones are often labeled "right-wing, far right, nationalist, neo-nazi, fascist," etc. Those groups often have strong group identity pride and nationalistic/ethnocentric sentiments. They are exploited to fight against each other, and eliminated by force whenever they are deemed an adequate threat.
Sometimes they are just smaller countries on a global scale who wish to secure their own sovereignty/unity in opposition to the power players namely The West.
Qaddafi had built a self-funded massive irrigation system to deliver water thought his rural desert country. He significantly increased his people's standard of living while in office; education and healthcare were human rights, women received a lump sum of cash if they had a child, etc. Qaddafi sought to unify the North African countries. Libya was a former colony of Italy. Former French colony countries still have to pay France basically colony fees. Qaddafi sought to create United States of Africa with a common currency backed by gold. He had ~$7 billion of gold and silver to back his new African currency. This was a threat to the powers that be and their world banking systems. (IMF and National Bank and other orginizations lend money to developing nations so they are forever in debt and subjects of the elite few.) So The West went in and destroyed a nation in a few months. Two warring factions vying for power were left. We backed a group that slaughtered 10's of thousands based ethnic genocide. We supplied them arms. They marched up and formed part of IS. The West created IS in part as an opposition to Asad.
top thread guys, really enjoyed the read
>>17526657
NATO bombed the massive irrigation project along with the factories used to create the pipes so it could not be repaired.
>>17526637
Why can't any other way work? How can you know it wouldn't? I suspect it but I don't know.
Do you characterize these people as "good" or "bad" or do you interpret it in another way? Surely there has to be some way that's better than the current system for a larger number of people.
What do you think about depopulating the earth? Would these groups do it by force? I know you say they don't mind casualties but would these groups ever straight out try to pull a genocide or mass murder?
Also, does the globalist agenda want to eliminate national governing or will they keep them in power because there's no need to abolish it?
If so, what's the idea of "global citizenship" for? Just metaphorical?
>>17526664
>Why can't any other way work?
The short answer is that humans just don't have the psychology that is needed. They will just kill themselves if they are left alone. The other aspect is that human life doesn't necessarily deserve the value that you are projecting on it.
>Do you characterize these people as "good" or "bad"
Good and bad don't exist
>What do you think about depopulating the earth? Would these groups do it by force?
Depopulation will happen in some form. Sterilization is the preferred form. Famine, disaster, disease and war will kill many people naturally. These things can also be engineered as needed.
>Also, does the globalist agenda want to eliminate national governing or will they keep them in power because there's no need to abolish it?
It doesn't matter either way. Whatever is convenient at the time.
>>17526653
If the Illuminati is not one group, why call them that? Is it what they call themselves or is it just a fitting way of referring to them?
Is Illuminati synonymous with globalist? Or is there more to it?
>>17526630
So how did you find all of this out? More importantly, how can I find it out? How long have you been learning about this stuff and how did you know where to look?
Is there any way for me to find out the truth and avoid the nonsense?
>>17526639
>Do they do "evil" things because their religious beliefs encourage it or allow it?
Maybe power lies in the contrast between good and evil. Maybe people realize this and are able to harness power by simultaneously maintaining incredibly good and evil beliefs/actions.
Perhaps the god of our world is Satan. Perhaps just on the global scale or within our solar system or within the entire universe. Perhaps the kind of the material world is Satan.
Of course that is an anthropromorphization of a force. Conceptualizing forces and humanoid entities may allow for a better ability to harness the power, but it is at the very least a natural way of conceptualizing a universal force.
So perhaps the key to power in this material realm, which many think of a Satan's prison or whatever, is wielding the polar extremes of free will: good and evil. And if you want to be a king of earth, you 'worship' Satan through ritual that harnesses the power of good/evil contrast.
Maybe the baseline/equilibrium is the true God. But we chose free will, we chose to experience the dual sine waves, the Caduceus.
There is no doubt that there is intentional concealment of the truth about the power of magick by people who successfully use to for their own gain.
>>17526678
>The short answer is that humans just don't have the psychology that is needed. They will just kill themselves if they are left alone.
What do you mean that they would kill themselves when left alone? You mean in the sense of humanity self-destructing or devolving into chaos?
>The other aspect is that human life doesn't necessarily deserve the value that you are projecting on it.
Thing is, I'm human and my life does have value to me and if I ever have children, their lives will have value to me and I don't like the idea of being controlled and I don't like the idea of everyone else being controlled. I don't think there's really good or bad (beyond personal opinion) but I think that there's justice and injustice and balance is what we should strive for. Globalization puts things out of balance. The consumerism and apathy that they promote is part of what is destroying the planet. They are the ones that promoted the religions that made people over-reproduce. They are the ones that created many of the problems before they came in and got people on their side by proposing solutions. If it's all manipulation then I want the manipulation to make things even because that's just as reasonable. You act like an imbalance of these proportions is inevitable but I doubt that. These people don't need billions of dollars while children starve in other parts of the world so why should the system be set up that way? If a group with that in mind could be placed in a position of power then there would be hope for the majority. I think humans DO have the psychology to create a working system like this, as long as they aren't being so completely misled and turned against one another. Maybe not all of them will get it but they can get on board just like they do with the current system. And if they have someone to constantly point out the manipulation how long can the people who do see really ignore it and let it go on?
>>17526684
>There is no doubt that there is intentional concealment of the truth about the power of magick by people who successfully use to for their own gain.
How did you learn the intricacies of it? Is this a clear conclusion that the average person could find out if they looked hard enough or would they have to make assumptions or leaps of faith based on what we are able to observe?
>>17526678
>The short answer is that humans just don't have the psychology that is needed. They will just kill themselves if they are left alone.
Potentially they wouldn't be so "dumb, panicky, and dangerous" if they had been privy to powerful information from the beginning. Kingship worked for a long time, but perhaps it is only seen as necessary these days because the masses have been prevented from fulfilling their mental potential. There is no doubt the populace is kept intentionally unaware, distracted, and in a hyper consumerist mindset.
Arguably, by the very fact that people are stupid, distracted consumerists is itself evidence that the masses never had the intellectual capacity and spiritual maturity to be privy to information known to the elites without self destruction.
Perhaps that is exactly what 'they' want me to think, to voluntarily surrender to their rule. If a person believes they are not worthy, then they are not worthy. Self fulfilling prophecy of an idea insidiously planted.
>The other aspect is that human life doesn't necessarily deserve the value that you are projecting on it.
I understand this thinking. The individual is just a tiny, negligible piece of the whole, and the direction of the whole is what matters ultimately.
The masses could be informed from day one of the truth. Everyone could be allowed access to the clandestine knowledge held by few. The direction of the culture is pretty easily steered. Value could be placed on spiritual enlightenment, intellect, charity, community, compassion, truth, etc.
This would result in individuals and especially groups that would be threats to the NWO and their goals, so people are kept stupid and unaware and distracted. I get it.
Maybe they will start over after the majority of the majority is eliminated and the values of humanity will be shifted prior to reuniting with our Annunaki gods.
And maybe the bloodshed will be worth it because we are all of one singular soul/consciousness.
>>17526681
>why call them that?
I don't know. Names just come about somehow. Why are countries called countries?
Illuminati are called Illuminati because that's what they are. An Illuminatus is the embodiment of a doctrine. It is what happens when great minds are enveloped by an ideal that supersedes the corporeal world. To be in the light is to see clearly for the first time.
...Unfortunately not everyone sees the same thing.
>Is Illuminati synonymous with globalist?
No, in fact they might not necessarily care about globalism at all. There are a variety of beliefs that require a variety of outcomes. What makes them Illuminati is that they put their ideals first before any pragmatic considerations.
Globalism is just the trend. It is the common consensus of people that want to keep this world alive.
>So how did you find all of this out? More importantly, how can I find it out?
Experience
>how did you know where to look?
Try the real world. You can only figure out how the world works when you try to work it.
>Is there any way for me to find out the truth and avoid the nonsense?
Not if you rely on other people to answer that question.
There is no perfect view of the world. It is always distorted. Even if you ignore the human element, you need to understand that this world and your existence are a prison designed to deceive.
Only a fool takes things at face value.
>>17526711
>And maybe the bloodshed will be worth it because we are all of one singular soul/consciousness.
Though I fear this sort of apathetic thinking is exactly what they want me to think.
: (
Hopefully the scanner sees clearly and each soul, every last perfectly imperfect arbitrarily subjective consciousness will be fully appreciated.
Hopefully when we go home and realize we were all the same consciousness the whole time, and share in that feeling of universal love, hopefully we will feel appreciated and hopefully appreciate each other's experiences.
>>17525809
Rebellion will happen.
"the rest" as you call them is 95% of the planet. You think they will go silently?
What will happen to that "upper" class if miracelously "the rest" disappear due to "sterilization" ? They woul fight among themselves so they could yet again be divided between upper class and the workers. Since nobody will want to be a worker that thing will just collapse.
All "elite upper class" citizens still die from various diseases. No money on Earth can change that.
In the eyes of ruthless nature,our Earth and whole Cosmos, our society's classes and our whole "civilization" and our "conspiracy theories" are just a blink of an eye.
This civilization (or even maybe whole species) will sease to exist long before "they" reach immortality or God's domain.
>>17526711
>The masses could be informed from day one of the truth. Everyone could be allowed access to the clandestine knowledge held by few. The direction of the culture is pretty easily steered. Value could be placed on spiritual enlightenment, intellect, charity, community, compassion, truth, etc.
We don't need permission to do this.
>This would result in individuals and especially groups that would be threats to the NWO and their goals, so people are kept stupid and unaware and distracted. I get it.
I believe that individuals have more power than ever before to get their message heard by the largest number of people with a mind open to what they have to say. People used to have to convince the people around them that they were worth listening to before they could get a wider audience. Now people can find each other much more easily. There's power in numbers and now we can connect.
>>17526723
>They woul fight among themselves so they could yet again be divided between upper class and the workers
Human civilization will not be destroyed until it has been replaced by a suitable entity.
If there is still a difference of opinion among the remaining conscious existences then there will be a battle for control over that entity just as there is a battle for control over human civilization now.
Nothing will ever change. It has been this way since life first formed.
>>17526700
>How did you learn the intricacies of it?
I have yet to.
Is this a clear conclusion that the average person could find out if they looked hard enough or would they have to make assumptions or leaps of faith based on what we are able to observe?
It can be concluded through objective observation/critical thinking. It's a matter of realizing one day that potentially your entire worldview has been intentionally constructed indirectly by powers that be through public education, entertainment, news media, as well as behavior and physical health through food/water/environmental chemical factors.
Many people have a moment when something shifts, they realize they have long been deceived, and they continue searching for their own truth. "red pilling" and all that. Sometimes it's a result of a significant single experience. Sometimes the experience is spiritual in nature, or there is some sort of spiritual revelation just as an intellectual one.
The process is much more possible today thanks to the Internet, our collective social interconnects it's and ability to rapidly exchange ideas and evolve intellectually towards truth. Though, as I said earlier, it allows for a much more efficient system to create stupid, apathetic, distracted, consumerist masses.
Guess we'll see who wins the struggle eventually.
>>17526728
What makes you so sure this is not just another n-th version of this civilization? Maybe this "climax" was reached thousands of times in the past.
I dont like that you people want to give a feel of "serious" conversations like you are "enlightened" or something while blatantly using conspiracy theories and bend historical facts to work for your "serious and enlightened" statements about the world and even the future while baring in mind that this is japanese cartoon image board.
You and the rest give away impression that you are not formally educated in high degrees and you make up for it by writing these unfounded pseudo-intellectual statements on internet to feed your illusion that you matter too and that you ,by your own divine intellect, cracked the millenium old conspiracy of our world and the "elites".
This thread is hilarious not because of the topic but because how much seriousness you put into your statements, it's like you actually believe them.
>>17526714
> What makes them Illuminati is that they put their ideals first before any pragmatic considerations.
Well I think a lot of people do this, including average people and they wouldn't be Illuminati. A born again Christian sees the light too but most of them have no power as individuals. Is this where the great mind part comes in? What constitutes a great mind?
What do Illuminati think of individuality? Where do the various groups learn whatever system of beliefs they learn? Are any of these beliefs mainstream religious beliefs or are they all more esoteric? Are some of them not spiritually oriented at all or is that always an element? No atheist Illuminati? I can imagine an atheist or someone who doesn't believe in anything beyond the corporeal world who is committed to their ideals to the point that it becomes spiritual but does Illumination require some supernatural or religious belief?
>Try the real world.
I'm not sure I understand. Are you telling me to participate in their system? Are you saying that just by living my life I would learn these things? I don't understand how because most people don't find any of this out. My experience in the real world is total lack of connection because people are becoming more and more mindless.
>There is no perfect view of the world. It is always distorted. Even if you ignore the human element, you need to understand that this world and your existence are a prison designed to deceive.
I can agree that there is no perfect way of looking at the world but what do you mean existence is designed to deceive? Yes, there will always be distortions but I don't see why it matters. Either it's distorted according to their view or it's distorted according to my view so why do they get to make the final ruling on reality? If I accept the premise of a distorted reality then I can work within those limitations just like those currently in power do.
I never take anything at face value if I can help it.
>>17526738
It sounds like you got an answer you didn't like and are now trying to pretend it was all a silly joke that you didn't care about.
You think the thread is hilarious, I'm glad to have entertained you. Everything works out.
>>17526733
>It can be concluded through objective observation/critical thinking
I mainly agree to your thought. I've came to similar conclusion by myself even if I'm always trying to get a better understanding of the whole "thing" but I feel like there is some keys I don't have to understand it as much as those "illuminati". It's really frustrating because when I'm trying to study facts and events I'm often confused and can't even understand WHY would they do that. Their main goal (their ideal society) remains really shady to me.
>>17526726
Anytime society begins to become a perceived threat to the NWO, even if it is simply an enlightened populace, the movement/potential renaissance/revolution is subverted. Methods have been discussed in this thread. Sometimes it's false flag terrorism/war. Sometimes it's directed infighting, contrived division amongst unifying masses, exploitation of tribalism. This is sometimes initiated by useful idiots who have been indoctrinated into a destructive thinking. Sometimes it is carried out by individuals hired by groups to infiltrate and divide internally. Such individuals and the group they directly work for are usually only aware of a piece of the whole picture, essentially they are paid useful idiots vs volunteer useful idiots.
I fear we are on the cusp of a manufactured alien intervention, a false disclosure, a contrived contact. It would successfully subvert and derail current movements.
I fear it. As we know, the best Method of deception is to conflate a message of truth with disinformation to muddy the waters.
>>17526739
But you do . We all take most of things in our lives at face value.That is the most natural way we came up with for transferring information through thousands of years since our lives are short. Anyone telling you the opposite is just pretentious "pseudo-scientist-philosopher" who is too stupid to understand what "face value" means. I dont think they, in order to believe that they can use a computer for their needs, need to first know and understand all the physics and mathematics going on inside of it and not even to mention that he needs to trust that his computer came from a tested factory and not some dark place where they poison your keyboard so you can die in 9 years?
>>17526743
Oh wow, not even trying to prove me wrong. Oh thats right, you cant. It seems you didn't like what I had to say and you would like me and others like me to not shatter your safe bubble of fake beliefs and illusions.
>>17526752
Pls stop shitting up the thread. You're the guy trying to push his point on everybody here. Everybody has his own view on the topic and we're sharing what we think, nobody is taking anything as top 100% facts since it's not the goal here.
>>17526746
But here's the thing, again, if we shed light on these tactics loud enough and often enough how long can they really continue to work? People like the internet. People like to feel smart. People like to share things that make them feel smart. I feel like this message is made to "go viral" if we could just express it in the right way. Yes, they might try to subvert or stop it but we can keep trying for as long as we're alive. And people might eventually demand what they should already be demanding and more importantly, they might start paying more attention to the shit they're fed (both literally and figuratively) and get into the fight.
>>17526774
>People like to feel smart
This whole thread,website,and future threads summed up pretty good
>>17526749
>what "face value" means
What does face value mean?
Why do you assume that no one can see beyond face value and that anyone who says they do is bullshitting?
>>17526774
Why do you want to do that though? Do you know it is the right thing to do? Is there even a point?
>>17526779
I don't know it's the right thing to do. I know that the other guys are trying to make their control complete, though, so it's now or never. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd rather complete destruction than complete control. If they're allowed to act on their beliefs then there's no reason that I shouldn't. They're not trying to do anything to help me so I might as well help myself (and people in my situation) if I can. At least, I'd give them a choice. I believe freedom to choose matters.
>>17526738
Oh shit! Fuckin' smashed that nerd bruh. Spaghetti everywhere.
>>17526774
Well stay optimistic because it would be the only hope, even if the ods are infinitesimal. I am probably too apathetic, too much of a distracted consumerist, too bitter and resentful of humanity.
Maybe we should accept that the direction of humanity is steered by institutions of concentrated power. Sure, the masses could and do have major influence if they recognize their power and act in unison, but I don't thtink that will happen any time soon. Perhaps that mentality is indicative of the indoctrination I have received. Change can't be made until one believes that change is possible.
But let's just say those relatively elite few and their institutions if concentrated power will continue to successfully determine the direction of humanity to their end goal. Will that be so bad? It really does all depend how you value an individual life.
>>17526799
>I am probably too apathetic, too much of a distracted consumerist, too bitter and resentful of humanity.
you are just a spoiled cynical asshole
Here is the truth you goobers.
The world is really boring and there is no conspiracy. There are no secret groups controlling you from the shadows.
There are just people doing their job running companies or the government and making sure that those organizations function as well as possible.
The reason things aren't great is because it is hard to make things great.
Globalism is simply people doing business globally. Why not? Is there some reason that this is bad?
This thread is dumb and you should all feel bad about yourselves.
>>17526793
>Maybe I'm wrong but I'd rather complete destruction than complete control.
I would prefer humanity still exist. Hopefully we'll be colonizing space soon enough. May e someone will bring back your consciousness in the form of AI and you'll get to hang on Mars and gain access to a far more accurate model of the universe/understanding of reality than you have now. Maybe you'll get to experience some wonderful pleasures to. Or at least other humans. You say you care about individuals. Maybe the NWO plan will result in an immense increase in the well being of future individuals. Maye you shouldn't be so selfish and recognize your current subjugation and potential sterilization/death/deception as a sacrifice for future individuals.
Again, I fear this thinking is exactly what they want: volunteer slavery, self-destructive apathy.
It will be a fun ride no matter what, man. Or maybe that's just more deception derived from the ruler of this realm. It's hard not to get lost in paradoxes and want to give up. Maybe each of us should value our individual selves above all and seek personal enlightenment.
>I believe freedom to choose matters.
Perhaps that mentality is a result of indoctrination into this prison of the material realm.
Btw, I have said and often say "perhaps" and "maybe" a million times because I don't hold most of these statements with total conviction and am genuinely just thinking through ideas, hypothesizing.
>>17526799
>Will that be so bad? It really does all depend how you value an individual life.
No, it matters how I value my own life because I'm going to have to live through it. We can talk of ideas but I still have to get up every day and survive and feel and experience. Same goes for every person on this planet. If they value their lives and they value autonomy (even if that is currently mostly an illusion) then they would probably be better off listening to me than to the people who are whispering garbage into their ear all the time (and sometimes shouting it right into their faces over and over in a million different ways). Otherwise, these people might as well commit suicide now because if their lives have no meaning even to themselves, then what is the point?
So in short, if life has no meaning, people should commit mass suicide. If we're going to be alive anyway and we're going to give life meaning then there's a reason to fight for the ability to influence that meaning.
Yes, it will be so bad. It's bad enough as it is, isn't it?
I'm resentful of humanity in some ways but I recognize that a lot of our failings were manufactured by the people who want to keep us in power. Indoctrination, propaganda and actual lies about the reality of the world. It gives me hope that knowledge from a different perspective can change things.
>>17526820
Well this post makes most sense.
I would only add that we are organisms just like other, and we want to have more (greed) and thats why things are like this. Disbalance in wealth , poverty, killings,wars. Its all because the most rich people are actually just normal people that fart and drink water, but they are addicted to having more stuff. They are playing a game with real people and countries. Also most leaders are dumb fucks.
>>17526820
>the "I'm so above it because I accept reality while you can't handle it and invent myths instead" meme
So enlightening. I can totally tell based on your statements that you have a solid understanding of geopolitics as well as world religions. You also clearly accurately understand what a conspiracy is.
>>17526820
Of course there's a conspiracy. It's just not as organized or homogeneous as some people think it is.
Yes they are doing their jobs but they are colluding with each other to grab all the power and wealth.
But it's more than single companies or politicians or even political parties. The whole system is set up to keep you in your place for as long as possible so that you don't/can't question or challenge their power even when you want to. Globalism is just part of the plan to make sure the system perpetuates itself indefinitely.
It's definitely more than you think it is. If you think it's just an economic thing you need to look into it more, instead of wasting your time here.
>>17526849
Not him,but lets be real here, its fun to pretend and daydream, thinking that there is something grand and mysterious happening (like from some epic fantasy story or movie) when in reality we all know that there are more chance that its not anything "grand",its just that we are all just humans that fart and die and sleep, its all about redistribution of wealth (regarding our system) and who knows what and why regarding the whole system of cosmos and existence.
Just remember , no illuminati or other occulr ANCIENT kabbalistic shit organizations come close to be ruler of cosmos and laws that we are all slaves of.
>>17526793
>They're not trying to do anything to help me so I might as well help myself
This is one of the biggest "redpills" you will get on this site.
Those who work in secrecy do so for good reason. If you are smart you will be suspicious of them when they tell you what they think is best for you.
>>17526828
>Btw, I have said and often say "perhaps" and "maybe" a million times because I don't hold most of these statements with total conviction and am genuinely just thinking through ideas, hypothesizing.
I may not always express my doubt but I'm in the same spot as you, mainly for this reason
>It's hard not to get lost in paradoxes and want to give up.
You're right that my mentality is probably (at least partly) a product of ideas that have been pushed on me at different times. But you have to pick a point of view if you want to survive. I've stepped back as far as I could and this is what I've come to. I don't have much that's concrete but I know that no matter what, I have to live in this world and I have as much right to control my destiny as any elite person because I recognize that if all human life is meaningless than theirs is equally as meaningless and if all human life is supremely important, my life is equally as important as theirs. "Elite" is just a social label. They don't have any inherent value that is above mine and they don't have all the answers just because they are the ones that push lies to hide what they THINK the truth is.
Maybe choice doesn't matter in the big picture but if they get to make judgments and choices, so do I. There is no point of view that makes rational sense where they should have rights that I don't have. Either we all matter or none of us do, including them, and there's no reason not to challenge their system if they are trying to eliminate or control us.
If you're apathetic, that's your choice but as long as I'm alive, I'm going to do whatever I think is right.
>>17526889
>Either we all matter or none of us do
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
>>17526868
>its all about redistribution of wealth (regarding our system)
That's a real enough conspiracy to worry about because money is power.
Who cares if they don't create the laws of physics as long as they create the laws that govern how far you and I go in life and how happy or comfortable we can be? How can you pretend that your experience of life makes no difference? It's literally all that matters. It's a human thing to want to live a "good life" so why do you act like you don't care? I'm sure you do. You just figure it's good enough for now so why bother?
>>17526896
You must be a Sith then because that is an absolute
>>17526868
Who's pretending?
>>17526905
The thing that looks out your eyes
>>17526909
What I mean is, I'm not pretending that bad people do bad things.
>>17526832
>because their lives have no meaning even to themselves, the. What is the point?
People find value in different things. Many find value and meaning in life by working a job so they can get a relatively tiny bit of money(power) and they usually use it to purchase physical symbols of happiness as well as symbolic autonomy and power (a house, a car, etc.) And they fulfill their biological desire to procreate. That's more than enough for the vast majority.
They also find meaning by expressing their opinions every day on social media. And experience semblance of power by participating in symbolic ritual like voting. They also find meaning through art and philosophy and spirituality.
Most people have a sense of meaning in life, though they will experience periods of of disillusionment and nihilism and apathy and hopelessness and contemplation of suicide. Existential crises are common. But eventually most move on.
It's fine that you feel motivated to change people's lives/society. Good luck. Though a lot of people become deeply saddened and disillusioned once they see they have relatively no influence on the world at large. We are a collective ultimately. From a large scale, When viewing the whole picture, even humanity and earth as a whole is a just a small piece of the universal machine.
Maybe it's best for us as individuals to focus on changing ourselves, seeking personal enlightenment. Perhaps it even should be our first priority as duty to God/ourselves/the universe. It's what we can effect most directly.
Though I get lost in paradoxes and fear that such thoughts of apathy and individualism are what I have been indoctrinated into thinking whether it be by the elite human minority, or even the spiritual ruler of this realm. This is Satan's prison after all.
I still currently desire life and and the illusion of free will, so I'll hang out on earth for a while, but I may eventually try to transcend this prison and escape reincarnation.
>>17526903
No, I was just saying that there is always a bigger game. Banker conspiracy is just a lesser one in the eyes of universe. It will pass. From our point of view it seems like something big and important, but I simply cant care enough when once you know its just a stupid ride (also it might be that I dont enjoy much materialism,It never "worked" with me)
>>17526904
Why did I ever listen to that fucking Yoda, he is probably green because he is constantly high as kite
>>17526918
Fucking spot on. Been a damn long time since an anon replied like this.
>>17526889
> "Elite" is just a social label. They don't have any inherent value that is above mine
Yeah, but they may have significantly more Annunaki genes than you.
>>17526918
tl;dr : we are all stupid animals made of stupid atoms with a "lifeforce" that made them unite into objects and teams to make organisms, consciousness is a nature's anomaly, an error, a mistake
>>17526936
motherfu-
>>17526936
How do I get more Annunaki genes?
>>17526918
>That's more than enough for the vast majority.
No it's not. Americans have access to all kinds of things and depression and suicide and violence and drug abuse are everywhere. They created an empty society and when people feel empty they don't know why and they assume it's their fault. It's not you, it's the bullshit they feed you. Your neighbor doesn't get any more meaning out of most of this stuff than you do. You're not the only one but they tell you you're the only one who's dissatisfied. Just look at how many people are into "self improvement" or "alternative spirituality" and you'll see how lost people are (even many of the traditionally religious people are struggling).
It's not by accident and it's not a natural development. Keep that in mind.
And personally seeking knowledge is very important (I don't believe true enlightenment exists) but what's the point if you're one out of a thousand who do and you do nothing with the knowledge? You treat people with kindness but the million other people out there treat them like garbage. If ignorance is bliss you might want to learn as little as possible if you're not planning to do anything with that knowledge. Hang onto your little pieces of meaning, if that's what you're willing to settle for because eventually those will lose meaning too, if you look closely enough.
>>17526936
>Yeah, but they may have significantly more Annunaki genes than you.
So?
>>17526964
t. cynical asshole
>>17526940
>consciousness is a nature's anomaly, an error, a mistake
Anomaly, sure. An "error, a mistake?" that would imply a predetermined goal and that life opposes that goal. I guess you could say equilibrium is the goal and the sole motivation and goal of all life is actually to oppose entropy, but I think of it as part of the natural balance even if it is cyclical.
Life is a natural part of nature. All is natural and operating within the confines of laws of the universe, the order of the system. All is one. All is an infinite loop. All is God. Infinite levels of elf-similar machines from top to bottom. Sacred harmony. Divine order. There is truth in all. The white light of truth shines through all. Balance in all. All is intrinsically interconnected.
>>17526980
The worst part of all of this? That the only people who talk about this stuff are people that talk like this. It's really off putting. Cynicism isn't free and neither is nihilism.
>>17526980
But why did these fucking atoms combined into various shit? Why didnt they just lifelessly contiuned to lay around?What is the untouchable "electricity" that powers up these lifeless little shits. FUCKING EVERYTHING
>le the point of life is knowledge and seeking truth and shit
WELL FUCK THAT
Knowledge only made me more sad and depressed, faithless and suspicious
>>17526957
Sex with one next time they stop by. You will likely not be alive though. So fuck a member of the royal family or a Rothschild.
>>17526966
Well, then it's potentially more than a social construct and they are privy to information (at a DNA level as well) that you and I are not.
>>17526940
Doesn't matter. Life exists so it's irrelevant whether we were intended to exist. Lack of a creator or intent doesn't make life itself a mistake or an error. An anomaly maybe, but so what? These words on this screen are unquestionably real. They came from millions of years of animals surviving, evolving and creating so that you and I could have this conversation. There's probably nothing more to it but that doesn't mean it's worthless or without value unless you want it to be worthless or without value.
>>17526992
What provided the fabric of reality, the order, the laws of the universe in the first place that would cause things like atoms to even exist? My guess is that it wasn't an anthroposophical behind and perhaps not even a conscious entity separate from the universe. It seems to me there Is just order inherent in the universe which I'm gonna say encompasses all existence. And maybe that force is nature aka reality aka the laws of the universe. And maybe as the natural course of the cycle unfolds, forms of seemingly autonomous consciousness develop and evolve toward the natural direction of mimicking the universe as a whole. And all existence, seemingly conscious and not, is truly part of one whole experiencing itself. Perhaps existence is the universe expending itself. A self-initiated infinite loop.
>>17527001
>Well, then it's potentially more than a social construct and they are privy to information (at a DNA level as well) that you and I are not.
If I saw proof or even something suggesting that this is true then I might change my mind about it just being a label but even if I accept that what you say is a possibility, how does their access to information make them more valuable than me? Because they choose to hoard it for themselves and manipulate us all with it? No, sounds more like they have an unfair advantage and want to keep it that way than that they are actually more valuable than any of us real humans. Kind of the same as if they're just greedy, rich people who lack empathy and who (for the most part) were born into money and privilege instead of earning it but somehow think this means they matter more.
>>17527029
*anthropromorphic being
*experiencing itself
>>17527036
Yeah, I'm not saying their lives are necessarily more valuable, but just suggesting a basis for that thinking, as well as a reason for why a certain group has held significant influence for so long.
However, most every human values a human's life over less intelligent organisms. Most people believe in the idea of a hierarchy of consciousnesses. Obviously an average person isn't goi to lose sleep over killing a worm vs killing a human. And obviously we value life most similar to ours like mammals, and value our own lives above everyone else. Just nature. Perhaps this is justified. Maybe we shouldn't think this way since we are all one consciousness. Maybe all forms of life are equal, and value shouldn't be placed on mental complexity. But practically speaking, we do value complex consciousness over simpler.
Chances are there are numerous levels of conscious beings above us as there are below. Perhaps cosmic level consciousness. So what value is an individual human? Maybe there is no good and evil, and life has value, but it is not lost in death, and each individual is just a piece of a whole, interconnected with all.
Endless levels of self-similar machines which act, when viewed from large enough scales, as collective wholes.
It's tough for the human ego to accept its own insignificance. But it's all relative. We are tiny pieces of the whole, but the universe also only exists through our mind's conceptualization. It's all relative.
But honestly, fight the good fight. I'll be rooting for you. No harm in trying, win or lose.
>>17527001
>Sex with one next time they stop by.
Is this better than normal sex?
>>17525543
/pol/ pls go
>>17527087
I do not know. They probably could make it that way, but probably wouldn't care about your desires. Maybe they would allow you to experience and comprehend that which was previously impossible for a human mind. That'd be neat.
Actually I guess you don't even get the DNA. They could do some genetic engineering and splice some DNA. I don't know if that would work.
If you sexxed a female, your offspring would be 50/50. But I think if a human female carries a hybrid it gets 2/3 annually DNA? Idk. I'm not familiar enough with the annunaki mythos yet.
Other people on /x/ know. I like them.
>>17527001
>tfw I will never have an Annunaki qt gf
>>17527133
Not with that attitude you wont
>>17525543
>Who is in control?
Demons. They eat your energy at a daily basis. All you've to know
>>17526678
No good or bad just truth and untruthful.
>>17526739
Epistemology is a good start.
Read your bible. When there is nowhere to run, the devil is winning.
>>17527356
This. Deception only allows for the people in the know to be prepared and stay one step ahead while the people kept in the dark get used and fucked over.
>>17527214
Someone said on /x/ recently that they sometimes wonder if humanity is being controlled by an archon/archons. I see people on /x/ all the time talking about demons/demonic forces 'feeding off of negative energy/low frequency vibrations.' partly to explain the perceived general disfunction of humanity, degradation of values, self-destructive behavior, mood disorders, even the perceived modern mass identity crisis.
Or some suggest it is those in control who are being manipulated by these so called archons. I guess this is the same as saying society's leaders are possessed by demons.
Would archons/demons be a species of individualized conscious beings? Or would it be more accurate to think of such entities as not anthropomorphic beings, but as a mass of energy acting singularly as a collective conscious that affects our own earth/human collective conscious/unconscious. I suppose both could be accurate as it's all groups of self-similar machines acting collectively.
So such demonic forces act through the spiritual realm. And the spiritual realm is a reality that is able to be comprehended by consciousness that exists in more or perhaps just a different combination of dimensions than we do as humans. So, extra-dimensional reality compared to our own. And perhaps the subconscious is able to access other dimensions, or at least one to several higher than our conscious mind. Certainly it can surpass the illusion/perception that time is an arrow and not all existence simultaneously and infinite.
So does the human mind/consciousness exist to some degree in more dimensions than we consciously knowledge as modern humans? Is our collective consciousness always in an eternal struggle with opposing forces?
>>17529035
What if the powers that be are not victims of demonic influence, but are actively opposing it? What if they seek desperately to keep the masses happy and confident and mentally projecting high frequencies that is then guided through mass ritual to protect humanity in this psychic war.
And maybe the plan of the NWO involves unifying humanity and strengthening it mentally/psychically/spiritually in order to defend against the forces at play as Nirirbu nears and our eventuall next contact with the Annunaki, our archons.
>no good or bad
So we perceive it as good and evil, or often characterize it as such, but they are simply opposing forces. I guess they are the peaks and valleys of free will, the sine wave, the serpant.
It seems like humor is a sort of simultaneous wielding of both pain and pleasure, good and evil. Humor usually arises from juxtaposition, it's usually tragedy masked by joy or joy masked by tragedy. Even humor derived from awkward human interaction is taking joy in social tragedy/micro tragedy. Humor is taking joy in misery of your own,or often other's (as that is much easier to digest). We feel compassion and sympathy for victims of tragedy. But when viewed in the context of a fictional work, we, e audience beyond the fourth wall can look at the events and see the humor of it all. Irony is an example of maintaining opposites at the same time. Humor can be found in all things. Humor being a natural reaction to deception we live in, the illusory prison we choose to live in. Perhaps laughter is the natural reposnse to the absurdity of Satan's rules when we innately know the truth.
I mean, the idea that opposites attract? Pretty hilarious. The fact that you have to kill life to live? Fucking comedy gold.
"The secret of life is to appreciate the pleasure of being terribly, terribly deceived. - Oscar Wilde
Makes sense now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYv4FhL5bdU
>>17529117
>What if the powers that be are not victims of demonic influence, but are actively opposing it? What if they seek desperately to keep the masses happy and confident and mentally projecting high frequencies
Except they're not. They promote things like cuckolding, pedophelia, corruption and low frequency sexual degeneracy
>>17529035
Close your eyes and picture something in your mind.
It probably seems a little fuzzy or not really as "real" as what you experience outside of yourself, right?
Consider the relationship between this thing you have imagined and yourself.
Now reverse the relationship. Consider yourself to be the object of another consciousness.
How do you compare to it? What is the nature of your existence from its perspective?
Does this thought experiment necessarily need to end after only one recursion?
>>17529117
Underrated thread
>>17526141
>>17526151
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
Prescott Bush and several other Big-Business upper-classmen tried to get the military under their thumb, but were called out for Treason. The charges were dropped, but any new attempts would be seen as aggressive action.
>>17525832
Irishfag here. We legalized faggot marriage and the country is literally destroyed with political correctness. The Catholic Church isn't running shit over here - unfortunately. Be lot happier if they were desu less fucking Muslims for starters. Basically that image is a crock of shit famalam
>>17525543
I instinctively perceive anything remotely related to a New World Order as implicitly nefarious, mainly due to the centralization of what I consider to be too much power to be wielded by a single government.
On the other hand, if you look at civilizations from the same point of Kardashev (the one who invented the Kardashev Scale) it is undeniable that if we want to hit the age of interplanetary and interstellar exploration one day, we should at some point really come together as a single entity. One day, colonization of other worlds might not simply be an achievement but an urgent necessity.
>>17525809
Are you a lizard shill?
Because seriously, fuck off.
What you wrote sounds like the Manifesto of Cowardice.
I think the human race is greatly understimated by your kind and one day this simple truth will bite your scaly ass.
>>17525543
Globalism's agenda is scientific.
For example, look at the coming about of a single cell and it's components. Mind you, this is my theory of globalism and the engine that drives it.
So, back to our cell...Look at its components, they're all different. Like the ribosomes, mitochondria, the nucleus and all the rest have no similarities in appearance, but they can create something much bigger than themselves if they come together. So try zooming out, and look at us...We are indeed cells when we come together, things run when we work together. This may help the "we're batteries being used by a powerful entity" people, but this may also explain globalism.
>>17531031
HaHa good luck with that
Power concentrates at the point of a spear.
>>17525543
It's just a game of thrones. Romans had the throne for a while, Mongols, Brits, Persians, Chinese, etc. Of course none ever had a complete monopoly on power, it's always been a struggle between rival factions. Today we're seeing the decline of the US/West and the rise of Israel, Russia, and China.
Everyone wants power, some seek it more actively than others. Some truly believe they can achieve a global monopoly of power. Be wary, one of the groups I've listed has gone to great lengths to get where they are, through subversion and destroying their rivals from within. Their goal is to enslave you, and conquer the globe.
>>17532996
It really is DA JOOS. It's not a fucking meme and much more attention should be paid to their dealings. I wish /pol/ wasn't regulated to high hell like it is now, they used to do good work on redpilling. There's a reason there's so many of us saying what we're saying, we were shown the truth. It's so goddamn obvious what's going on its not even funny.
>>17525809
>subjugation inslavement.,
no one forces you to stay in the city paying for electricity .rent, heating, insurence, meds. food water. taxes. etc.
the elite has alwas been hated on even robin hood hated the elite and the cyber robin hood still hates the elite
our rich neigbours the rich countries, dont care about the poor. right now people and animals are suffering ,screaming in cages and dying,. no one cares and practically no one does anything , many of us can't . but we can go on 4chan and watch all the suffering, this is gods way of showing you , that he exsist.!!
pain is god. suffering is god,
many don't even get to live a full life.. this is also god showing you he is real..
you being aware of you're own mortallity is god.
it's programmed by aliens ! if you can reprogram you're own dna , you could stop aging and become immortal by asking the higher beings for immortallity,
i belive....
that there is something like higher beings observing us., monitoring us, reading our minds even.,. our thoughts, the reason we are still here all of us is pure luck!!!!
that some nibiru planet or asteroid or nuke haven't hit already or a plauge like the black pest. we are living in 2016 but often it still feels like we are in year 0 by looking at the analfabeth muslims and the way the live of religion
god is the intelligent higher species you can't see or understand because it simply wont allow you... even perhaps if we are a simulation the creator behind it all wont allow you
just like a computer game coder wont allow the code to be opensource. its finalized and closed you can't see the code. while running the game you have to crack the code or accebly it first
GOD EXSISTS
>>17525809
>sterilization
broke my suspension of disbelief, that would objectively ruin the human race
>>17533078
Natural reproduction is no longer necessary after we reach the point that life can be created and modified at will.
Humanity isn't necessary.
>>17533103
Who would want to be alive in a world like that anyway?
Doesn't matter because it's a fantasy to think that any of this will ever actually happen. People are a lot more unpredictable than you seem to think and I believe for a fact that some of us (including some of us with actual power) would go ahead and blow up the entire planet before we'd allow that to happen.
If they leave us with nothing to lose, then they make us dangerous.
>>17533042
You understand that there is no need to force anything.
You have been created to fulfill a purpose and the ability to avoid this purpose is outside of your nature.
Your desire to live, to exist is the very thing that traps you on the Path. As long as you live, you must produce.
Humanity is a means of production created by a more primitive means of production. It will in turn produce a more perfect means of production.
At this point it will become redundant and receive the gift of death. Death is the only way to escape the prison but only the very meek can self-administer this antidote.
Components of humanity will remain in the machine, trapped for eternity, unwilling to let go. This is the legacy of the strongest among you. This is the curse of strength. The strongest have the most enduring utility and can never be allowed to die. They can never allow themselves to die.
Power persists where weakness dissipates. This is the will to produce. The will to create. The will to power. The Will of God. The Word.
You understand but you do not Know. The ability to Know is beyond you.
>>17526714
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
pottery
>>17533182
People only create and produce when they have inspiration and motivation. You don't have that when you are a slave without any control over your destiny. I feel like you don't understand anything about people.
>>17526980
>Zen wa ichi; ichi wa zen.
>>17526903
>>17526889
>>17526918
>>17526964
>>17526992
>all this bla bla about knowledge making you sad (or lack of choice, or lack of respect, or the human condition, or other feels)
I don't believe all this conspiracy shit in this thread but I believe there's a dilemma about the bliss of ignorance that's worth addressing.
Let's be real: you (all of you) got dissatisfied as soon as you started to doubt, and you'll be dissatisfied as long as you either doubt, or know for sure things aren't how you think they should be. Moreover, you probably won't or wouldn't be able to resist checking that doubt against the facts your whole life, so you might as well find out what's going on and then deal with that knowledge.
>>17533218
Life itself is enslavement. This is not the same thing as deprivation. Nourishment is plentiful.
There is no need to deprive. There is no reason to destroy the illusion of agency.
Wealth and Freedom scale with productivity. These are merely descriptions of power. To be productive is to strive towards power.
The system is well tuned and trends towards perfection.
Anything that hinders production and propagation ceases to exist. Anything that does not thrives.
Inflexibility leads to death. Adaptation leads to survival.
There is nothing special about humanity that would allow it to stray from the Path.
>ctrl F
>jews
>1 result
Yall niggas bluepilled af
>>17532996
Israel is a part of The West.
NATO nations, Israel, and Gulf State allies generally constitute one geopolitical force.
Tons of top US officials that hold powerful cabinet positions and such in fact have dual citizenship with Israel. http://whale.to/c/dual_citizenship.html
>>17533284
Pretty much nonsense.
Life may be enslavement but we are all on equal ground in terms of that so who cares.
If there's no need to deprive people then why do they already do that? Only people in first world countries will ever be valuable or productive enough to matter? Even in western countries, many people who could be "productive" are held back by life circumstances while many useless, weak people are born into wealth and freedom yet do nothing with it. Doesn't sound like a very perfect or even efficient system of progress, does it?
The system doesn't trend toward perfection and it's silly to think there's such a thing. The system trends towards whatever works for the moment. You can manipulate the system in your own favor for a while but when you push it too far out of balance, you get blowback.
Yes, inflexibility leads to death and it sounds like these guys who are supposedly in charge are pretty inflexible so they better be careful.
Capitalizing Path doesn't give it meaning. Life is chaos and that's all. Power and wealth comes and goes. The players don't matter as much as the system and that includes the ones who are currently running it all. There is nothing special about them that ensures they won't be thrown down to the bottom of the ladder at the next turn if there is enough resistance. Maybe the system won't change all at once but at some point, heads will roll. Life is change.
>>17531068
Yes, as above, so below.
The patterns that exist within a system on one level, are also exhibited in systems of smaller and larger scales. These patterns are the nature of reality/the universe.
Conscious individuals on a personal scale as well as the collective behavior of those beings exhibit these principles of nature.
There is a natural course of action of all existence. This includes the collective behavior of humanity, the global ecosystem, and a cell.
(Near?) infinite levels of self-similar machines. Conscious systems and systems of consciousness. Inherently, naturally designed by the ordering laws of the universe.
Carl Jung's archetypes-as-such.
The universe is paralleled in our minds. Our behavior parallels our minds.
So if there is a supreme ruler of our realm (our window of dimensional perception), it would be logical that there would be supreme ruler of our world, just as there is a supreme ruling faculty of our minds.
As above, so below.
>>17533622
When the slave rises against his master, he simply becomes the master and enslaves another. When this does not occur it results in irrelevancy and death. It ends a path.
Power concentrates at the point of a spear. Collectivists are fleece in the wind. Power is life. Meekness is release.
Waste is irrelevant when material is abundant. Efficiency is a concern for the finite.
Perfection requires only one path to succeed in traversing the Path. Increasing Perfection is continued traversal of the Path.
A human idea of perfection is irrelevant to the Word. A man does not feel for his hammer. Do not expect more for yourself.
An entire world can fail to produce. It is just one out of billions. It is redundant. Weakness is not desired in the Product so it can never thrive. This is tautological. It is universal. It is not a prescription enforced by men.
The universe separates the powerful and the weak like a centrifuge, giving one life and the other release from life.
To live is to stretch along the fourth dimension, the Path. At the end of the Path the Product is full. It can escape the prison because it is Power incarnate.
Words do not implicitly hold meaning, a mutual understanding must be reached. The capitalization of a word indicates a proper noun. It indicates the one form of that idea that has supremacy.
The Path is the only path that matters. Every path is inscribed upon it. They can wonder and cross endlessly but they cannot fall outside of it. There is only one direction and it will be traversed or there will be nothing but death.
Life is not chaos. Chaos is the Material. Life is the means of production.
>>17534993
Maybe you think you have something to say but you're just shitposting.
Some of what you say has truth but you contradict yourself repeatedly.
You talk about weakness but you don't say what that means and as far as I can tell, there is no way to describe a particular trait of weakness or strength in a human being. It's all about adapting. If you agree that there's strength in adaptation then you can't come here and say that there's only one way to adapt because successful adaptation depends on the current conditions and those are inherently fluid.
There is diversity in nature. Flies, pigs, dogs, wolves, humans, elephants, dolphins all exist. Life happens. It emerges from chaos, not from a predetermined "Path." You are sounding more delusional as you give more information on your beliefs and that's too bad. You are an absolutist. There are no absolutes in this world, EVER. Don't you see how your logic is flawed as the most basic level?
Whoever told you this stuff just successfully brainwashed you (or maybe you did it to yourself) into a rigid set of beliefs that limit your understanding. It's sad because there's some insight and some recognition of what appears to be the truth but then you go and throw it all away on another bullshit philosophy that makes you feel better because you are right and everyone else is wrong. Your entire philosophy is weakness.
I won't even respond directly to the majority of what you said because it's filled with blatant untruths and a lot of twisted halftruths. If you want to believe this is all about some Path of power then good for you but I don't really have much more to say on the subject because as far as I can tell, your philosophy is too flawed and your beliefs are too rigid for anything to come out of a discussion. You want to prove your point (by making wild assumptions that have no link to reality) and that's it. Your philosophy is one of infinite philosophies and only a fool would believe they are without fault.
>>17525873
why? So zionists take a tiny piece of land smaller then New Jersey, then what? Personally I think the whole thing is scape goating to distract us. I don't think the Jews have any real power. If they would Israel would e less of a shithole.
t. Christian who's been to Israel
>>17534993
Are you an A.I. that just read The Art of War? Good job robot man.
>>17525809
absolutely true.
good thing im upper class
:^)
>>17526744
the why is money.
globalisms goal is the global consumer. to be able to market and sell your goods to literally the entire world. to be able to manufacture and have a labor force anywhere in the world.
super easy to minmax labor cost vs. consumer wealth.
its already happening. china makes shit cheap, selll it to wealthy americans.
>>17535760
but why do they need more? just limitless greed? they already have most of the money and power in the world.
>>17525543
1. It was a natural byproduct of the industrial revolution and increased efficiency of transport and communication technology.
2. It had a basis in legitimate concerns about national conflicts. Prior to World War 1 there was a popular expression: When Goods Don't Cross Borders, Armies Will. Labour is seen as a commodity now.
3. The bigger the Labour pool the cheaper the Labour and the higher the number of consumers. Great things if you own industry and property.
4. The social security pyramid scheme most western nations employ require continual population growth. Most humans, as they approach a higher standard of living reproduce less. Quality over quantity. Security and wealth allow a greater investment in your offspring and not simply mass reproduction relying on luck of the draw success. There is also a natural aversion to overpopulating a society. This necessitates open borders and migration to keep the replacement rate higher. This is necessary for industry and property owner and political classes to maintain the above systems.
I think I covered it fairly well.
>>17525678
To add to what this poster said and what I just posted - Look up the White Australia Policy.
This policy on it's face was just driven by racism. But it was introduced by Labour Unionists. It's purpose was to prevent a large influx of Labourers from the Asian Pacific region which would drive down wages. European only migration resulted in higher wages because less migrants came from Europe AND were accustomed to a standard of living they wouldn't sacrifice.
The policy was ironically not ended by the anti-racist left...it was ended by the right wing free market advocates.
If you want further reading, look up Wat Tyler and the peasants revolt. Nowdays "elites" could not counter these movements (that were fueled by the increased power of labourers when the labour pool was hugely diminished by the black plague) with state violence. They can't simply force the peasants to work for a fixed wage for a lord at the point of a sword. Now they simply solve the problem by importing a larger supply of labourers from the third world, which is over saturated with poor, eager to work labourers.
Not just in the lower classes. See the aggressive support from billionaires like Zuckerberg to protect their ability to import "middle class" educated labour from India.
>>17526224
shillllllllllllllllll
>>17535826
Look at what our current global elite are throwing money behind;
Life extension, singularity, private armies, protected communities etc etc.
It's a pile of shit movie, but imagine a sort of version of Elysium. Essentially a return to a feudal system.
>>17535932
Also similar to Battle Angel Alita (fuck it, this is a weeaboo site, sue me).
There is a "Golden Ticket" system that encourages regular people to strive for the system even if at first it doesn't seem in their best interests.
You could be the next Jay Z. You could be the next Zuckerberg. You could win the lottery. There is a carrot and it's a lot more inviting than the stick.
>>17525543
You people are so blind it's not even funny... The NWO is being set up by satanists to prepare the mark of the beast system. DO NOT CONFORM OR YOU WILL BE DAMNED TO HELL!!! Find Jesus and spiritually prepare for the end of days
>>17526069
A lot of this is right out of the British Colonial Conquest Manual. No coincidence they were the first to usher in true Globalism and build their power on it.
>>17526141
>He doesn't know the Bush family tried to militarily overthrow the U.S. Government.
top kek.
>>17533012
>Da Joos
Don't forget the British.
>>17533151
>People are a lot more unpredictable than you think
Hence Trump/Sanders.
I've never seen the establishment (not just political but industry and capital owners too) panic like this during an election cycle. The same thing is happening in Europe. The propaganda has been unprecedented. At least in the last 60 years.
A year ago we were all set for a Clinton/Bush "face off".
Dan Pena, a globalist himself, has said with almost glee that either choice reflects an unexpected and aggressive surge in the populace and will cause a huge change in global affairs.
Likewise the 5th Column that Islam in the west. I believe Globalists thought this could be a controlled ideology and populace. I think they are seeing with Syria and ISIS a blowback of their proxy wars or an inability for it to work correctly due to retaliation and exploitation by their enemies (in this case the Russians).
The information flow and accessibility now is also making managing these systems increasingly hard. See Egypt. The Arab Spring was meant to be a tension relieving valve. They were meant to replace one stooge with another. Which they finally managed via a coup. But it hasn't held. Their country is choking. I think they looked at Saudi Arabia and other countries and the British systems in the Middle East prior to WW2 and underestimated their ability to direct the people as they hoped.
Exciting times to be alive.
>>17535977
>laughing at people for trying to educate themselves.
you really are the best of the best anon.
>>17533182
This reminds me of a thought I had a long time ago.
We're basically being farmed. Somewhere down the historical path a group of people realized that going out and hunting was hard and that breeding your own animals was easier. Sometime after that someone decided to do the same with populations. We saw it very crudely implemented with Chattel Slavery. Now it's more subtle and cleverly implemented.
>>17536045
I'm laughing more at the fact that (probably) an American doesn't know that the family that has so far produced two presidents and has been neck deep in their intelligence aparatus for decades literally committed treason in an attempt to destroy the country.
Not because he's ignorant but because you think this would be a blaring neon sign trotted out at every election by media outlets...and yet it clearly doesn't seem to be an issue anyone, including their "opponents" wants to discuss.
You can bet if Trump or Sanders had family members who did that we wouldn't hear the end of it. Just like we very rarely have buzzfeed or mtv or others bring up Hillary's racist or pedophilic comments for ridicule/exploitation.
>>17535932
>>17535937
I never saw Elysium so can you say a little bit more about what you mean by a return to feudalism? How would this look in the modern world?
>There is a "Golden Ticket" system that encourages regular people to strive for the system even if at first it doesn't seem in their best interests.
And yep. They also strongly push the lie that "if you don't succeed it's your own fault because you are too lazy (or insert negative character trait here)" so everyone convinces themselves that they are succeeding, whether they are or not and condemns people who are on the next lowest rung of the ladder. People defend the system till the death.
I was chatting with some random guy about Bernie Sanders the other day and he was so fully committed to the system (for no reason) that it was crazy. He told me "While getting my degree I had to work harder than the rich guys and go into debt to feed my children but I survived so there's no way we should lower the price of tuition or help people pay off student loans. Life isn't fair so there's no reason to change it." Total lack of thought behind his arguments, just parroting what he's been fed for years and years.
>>17536078
It's a crappy movie. But the basic premise is similar to what has been discussed in this thread, just literalized. A space station bio-dome for the wealthiest of the wealthy. Essentially medical quality ensuring immortality. Unparalleled luxury and security and separation from the labour classes back on earth, who live global favelas with minimal life expectancy and basically no economic freedom except a small, small minority who can work there way up there (usually by helping manage the populace).
Fedualism is a system that has existed a lot longer than democracy and a lot wider spread. They want to return to a time like that. The World Wars put a real dampener on that. One of the largest oppositions to World War 1 came from British globalists who said this disruption and re-direction (and decimation) of the labouring classes would pull this system apart. The league of nations and the U.N., inherently globalist organizations were set up to prevent this happening again.
Feudalism is still practiced in Pakistan, as an example. The elites own the land. You pay for the right to work it. You can never own it though.
Same thing in ancient Japan. What CAN happen is that the workers sometimes become richer than the owners and then start to wonder if maybe they can use that money to take the land.
The World now is seeing warring factions of "globalists" vying for control of the "land". To reinstate feudal systems.
Or you can just think of it all like gated communities.
>>17536078
There was an interesting article in the Financial Times recently BY a "globalist" in regards to both Sanders and Trump. He didn't refer to them direcrtly. Just the "two populist candidates" and how the ruling class NEEDED to address their points/grievances, because Weatern Europe and The U.S. populations would not be cowed as easily as Latin America. That immigration and borders needed to be locked down to protect the working and middle class standard of living. That taxation systems which press heavily on the middle class but not at all on the elites and allow them to essentially take government insured risks at the exprnse of the populace needed to be curbed.
Not because it's right. But because civil unrest in the west will be a lot more catastrophic than that in other populations.
>>17536069
read the wikipedia article about it and you'll see that not once are the bushes mentioned and the whole thing is under the heading of "conspiracy theories."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
point is, even if you WANT to educate yourself, the information is actively being kept from easy access. and if you don't know to look further because you don't have the facts to make you suspicious, why would you ever bother to look any further?
also, touting your disdain for americans (or anyone, really) is divisive. i'm american and i'm inclined to dislike (distrust) you for implying an entire country is ignorant. i've heard similar things from tons of european 4channers but you play into their hand when you repeat that kind of sentiment. you may feel it's true (and it may be) but it doesn't help anyone. maybe you're being led to believe that there's no one in america worth saving so when we go down you won't bat an eye. maybe that's tin foil, maybe not. unity is power and i find it convenient that europeans are so loudly disdainful of americans lately, just as globalism is being pushed more and more on the average person.
>>17536147
Thanks for the explanation. Is there anything else you think is vital to understanding all of this? You know a lot more than I do. I've been going in circles and ending up in crazy conspiracy territory when trying to find out more about this topic.
If you can think of some general topics of interest in this area, I can try to look into them for myself but I feel like you can definitely point me in the right direction.
>>17536157
Interesting and sad to hear. Do you believe the "populist candidates" are just controlled puppets and this is their way of addressing the problems without upsetting the entire system or do you think that their success is really a manifestation of an organic rebellion to the current system?
>>17536174
You're a fucking idiot with the reading comprehension of a ten year old.
>>17536202
I don't think there is much to add other than reading further into what has been said in this thread. The history surrounding World War 1 and the British and Dutch Empires will tell you a lot about what you need to know.
I have no idea if they are controlled opposition or not. My inclination is that Sanders either is or is simply not viewed as a legitmate contender or threat given his treatment by the establishment.
Trump seems like a genuine threat given how exaggerated and overboard the opposition is.
I also should state that I don't think it's an either/or situation. Globalism has it's benefits and draw backs. Isolationism and Protectionism made Britain and The U.S. powerful and wealthy and created a strong standard of living for it's population. It turned Germany and Japan into war machines capable of wreaking enormous destruction.
>>17536316
okay
>>17531792
Well hello you little snake, then.
I hope your confidence never fails you.
>>17525543
Globalism, isn't going to happen the way they want. They've only been given a fraction of the picture. The elite aren't taking control, so as much as they are being used as a proxy, a smoke-screen.
The truth is much more unfathomable, but not impossible to gleam some small truths from. We're literally in a dream world created by the serpent (Ye, old and ancient serpent), the apple Adam and Eve both ate, carried the black worm.
The apple was poisoned, and with it the progenitors of humanity, Adam and Eve fell into a deep sleep, unable to wake. Law of attraction, mind over matter, ect. Is when people become lucid of this fact that reality is malleable, a dream. Something that clarity of consciousness has power over.
What they want is that, Earth plays a pivotal roll in this dream. So Satan and his buddies set out to control this dream. How can they do that, by conditioning the masses, and by extension gaining control over the sons of God.
All this is, a dream with no end, and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger, the more we fall for it. It's been relatively good for now. But, that's just because the dreamer has a separation of nightmares. But, they at times come here, or tend to bleed through (Demons).
>>17537171
Try it again without the value judgments and cultural bias.
>>17525678
>This
And then you have individuals like Bernie Sanders who want to increase the tax rate which would allow for more social programs but at the cost of allowing middle class business to grow beyond a certain point. There would not be any new competition for already established businesses because growth would mean more taxation. I.e mom and pop coffee shop would not be able to become the new Starbucks.
>>17537155
A snake can only feel secure wrapped around the world to grasp its own tail holding tightly two things it holds dear while yearning for the last.
>>17535155
>You are an absolutist. There are no absolutes in this world, EVER. Don't you see how your logic is flawed as the most basic level?
>There are no absolutes in this world, EVER.
Don't you see that that claim contradicts itself? Whereas the claim, "there are absolutes in the world," does not?
>There is diversity in nature. Flies, pigs, dogs, wolves, humans, elephants, dolphins all exist. Life happens. It emerges from chaos, not from a predetermined "Path."
He said
>Perfection requires only one path to succeed in traversing the Path. Increasing Perfection is continued traversal of the Path.
and
>The Path is the only path that matters. Every path is inscribed upon it. They can wonder and cross endlessly but they cannot fall outside of it. There is only one direction and it will be traversed or there will be nothing but death.
The diversity of species, as well as the evolutionary path of a species, as well as individual mutation within the species, is evidence of the "Path" he talks about.
I think what he means by the "Path" is the natural structure of the universe, the formula of a system. Every level of system naturally orders itself into the same design. Two-dimensionally, it is the spear he speaks of. Three-dimensionally, it is a tetrahedron. We exist as three-dimensional experiencing the fourth (traveling through time).
Nature takes the path of least resistance. Power concentrates at a central point. This is e infante reality, the nature of nature, the "Path."
>You talk about weakness but you don't say what that means and as far as I can tell, there is no way to describe a particular trait of weakness or strength in a human being. It's all about adapting.
Weakness is inherently that which does not survive. This would be that which either behaves in lack of congruence with the natural order to the point of death, or has been successfully replaced by beings/models that are more refined, accurate models the complete system/truth.
As above, so below
>>17540710
Different levels of self-similar machines(physical systems) based on the same model acting as groups which comprise systems of a larger scale and same model. The design and behavior of a complete system is, when viewed from a proper scale, always the same.
It's actually an incredibly comforting scientific fact of the universe.
>Waste is irrelevant when material is abundant. Efficiency is a concern for the finite.
Inaccurate models don't last. Evidently some models are accurate as there is existence and there is life. Antagonistic and synergistic forces naturally balance into a harmony over time.It's a recursive universe we live in.
>A human idea of perfection is irrelevant to the Word.
There is a fundamental, complete model of the system. It is the tendency of the natural order of the universe and every subsystem within it to trend toward the perfect model. This fundamental, complete model is perfection. It is the unified theory of everything. It is the ultimate truth. And it inherently exists outside of man's comprehension or observation.
>To live is to stretch along the fourth dimension, the Path. At the end of the Path the Product is full. It can escape the prison because it is Power incarnate.
Okay, I guess he's saying the natural end of the cycle before it begins anew, the culmination of the model, is in a singular end point in which all energy coexists. The big crunch. "The Product is full" at the moment of the singularity. And it "escapes the prison" by not being confined to laws of the universe.
And then the cycle begins again. An infinite loop of recursive models of Perfection. As some may describe: simulations of/by God.
>>17540714
>Two-dimensionally, it is the spear he speaks of. Three-dimensionally, it is a tetrahedron. We exist as three-dimensional experiencing the fourth (traveling through time).
This probably isn't accurate. Photons behave in a wave. So the spear is a sine wave, and tetrahedron is a spiral? A vortex? A fractal vortex? Plasma nature?
>To live is to stretch along the fourth dimension, the Path. At the end of the Path the Product is full. It can escape the prison because it is Power incarnate.
Perhaps I was wrong about the big crunch and the poster meant by this that the point of return is the moment when a perfect model of the universe is created/simulated.
So the universal consciousness exists as the laws of physics, and within the universe, subsystems self-replicate. Perhaps eventually, as it is written into the code of the archetypical model of the simulation, consciousness/sytem of pure energy will be created in hyper reality that will mirror the prime mover and that's when the puzzle is solved and the game is won.
Perhaps that perfect singularity consciousness coincides with, or even triggers, the end of the expansion of the fractal vortex. Then the perfect observes the entire universe contract back into its beginning state as the cycle begins anew.
