I failed, attempt 2
>Temple of Solomon the King:
https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ
>Mesmer's Lair
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwLJ8mj-ZuoGc0NKUEtoLTBmQXc
>News:
MEGA library update in last thread put it at 33.8 gb, 476 folders, and 5047 individual texts or files.
Drive library includes Levenda's "Sinister Forces" and "The Hitler Legacy" now, in the ParaHypnosis folder.
Hara Hara Mahadev!
Jai Jai Maa!
>>17245355
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>>17245395
It didnt have the description senpai. That was the first attempt.
>>17245395
Oh shit i didnt see yours, sorry.
>>17245355
Evening, Aghori! Glad to see you're still floating about.
>>17245890
Nice to see you too senpai. Im still around, hopefully will be untill i go into sanyas. Lets hope that hapoens sooner than later :)
>>17246016
See you in hell.
>>17246135
See you, ill be sure to suck some demon cock while in there. Its been my dream for ages!
Also, i gor a price on the translation of briham nila tantra, 270 pages. 10,000€
It not like i even wanted it transelated, hahaha... Ha...
>>17246146
Why not use mturk for translation. Break it down line by line and have each line done three times, Can get a book done for a couple hundred dollars.
>>17246016
>renunciation
I thought you wanted to be a householder?
>>17246135
>implying any "loving" or "just" God would condemn anyone to infinite retribution in the Lake of Fire for the finite "crime" of not thinking Yeshua ben Yosef is the sole redeemer of Man.
That God sounds like a complete twat and deserves no worship.
>>17246146
How does come close to the usual going rate of ~20 cents a word? I mean you need a specialist but between the price of Indian labor and how cheap translation is anyway, that's some bullshit.
>>17246153
Never heard or saw, ill look into it.
>>17246156
I have no clue what exactly i want. Onone hand, waifu and kids, onthe other, a way out of samsara.
>>17246163
>I have no clue what exactly i want
>>17246162
I didnt find any other service that sees to offer sanskrit trnaslation. Ill search more, but im most likely to set up some sort of site where anyone who knows or is studying sanskrit can contribute. Like a non orofit organization dedicated to translating these things, so many are left untranselated.
Cause most of this could be slowly transelated by anyone studying indology.
I just dont know how id soread word about it, but we'll see, with maa's help ill do it.
>>17246170
Life choices are hard senpai ;-; i didnt even apply to college yet, and am pressured by both family and iverall culture to have a waifu and children. But then, i want to reach the source, and stay with maa for eternities, and escape rebirth.
Just fuck me up senpai desu.
>>17246172
I'm only familiar with the foibles of translation in general, specifically academic and philosophical texts. The problem is that you need not only a translator but a practicing student of the subject at hand with dhyana on the matter. It also helps to have a universal vocabulary which is lacking from both buddhism and indology in the Western canon. The subjects are often dense but colloquial, and the difference in quality is akin to reading crowley versus reading a shitty translation of anything that came from german.
Experts in sanskrit and pali aren't rare by any means, but in the west, where the translation needs to come from, they all tend to have drank the kool aid and don't want to share or are just money hungry charlatans. Geisthaunted motherfuckers.
You don't want shit translations. You don't want group translations. The flaws of one man are manageable for the singular vision provided.
Come to think of it, 10 grand for a work of this magnitude isn't entirely unreasonable. It's a philosophical treatise and not twilight fanfiction, which means it requires an academic translation with copious footnotes. One could dash off a rough translation in a matter of months, but technical manuals aren't so simple.
The nonprofit route sounds the most fruitful.
>>17246253
Given advancements in educational psychology and computer aided learning techniques, not to mention the fact that we're all fucking wizards here, you could actually learn the gist of sanskrit in about six months with a minimum of daily practice. Maybe another year after that to get the technical vocabulary used. I picked up a language in 3 months on duolingo.
>>17246253
Yeah, what im thinking is to divide the whole document in oages of two, and do the same with other tantras i have. Then make a nice site for it, with a forum or some sort of chat, and a system where users can compete in how much they transelated.
Id prob figure out qhere to advertise first thiugh, school where theres a string indology study would be a good choice i guess, maybe forums where sanskrit is the subject? Ill think about it. But if i go that route ill try to not limit it to tantras but also other untranselated texts. There so fucking many, i have a stash of fifty documents each over 200 pages long, from different school of tantra including the vaishnavites.
>>17246263
Im studying arabic at the moment. Need to finish that
>>17246263
see
>>17246269
I'm always back and forth between Hebrew and Greek. Been idling on some Avestan. My copy of Kaulajnananirynaya's not bad for learning bits and pieces with the side-by-side, romanization, and specialized glossary.
>>17246269
>Arabic
Mah nigga. If you want help with that, I'll be in these threads from now on. I would love to help a fellow 4channer with this kind of thing. Also, you'll like a lot of the ideas one can build with Arabic. It influenced Persian, which influenced much of the Hindustani language.
>>17246279
Farsi's on the to do list as well.
Been reading Ferdowsi, Sa'ad, and I'd like to go through Conference of the Birds.
>>17246279
Nah im fine. Ots my 3rd years studying and all that lacks is talking and listening practice. I know a shit ton of vocabulary, i just need to have more than two hours of convo every week.
>>17246291
Funny you mention Farsi, since I have a Dari dictionary. It's amazing how this shit works out, but I got a lot of books on languages. Every one has a reason for being in my collection. What sucks is when I try to stick to one to learn to fluency, but then something drags me back to another couple of languages. I was pissed when Iran and Saudi Arabia started to go at it, mostly because I was trying to master Japanese. I'm sure that is very selfish, but it's a "being a linguistophile" problem.
>>17246297
Cool shit dude. I had a whole system of occultism built with a Arabic base, with everything from grade names to ritual signs. I lost all the work because of a computer issue that wasn't even a real issue. It sucks.
One of the concepts I came up with is the magic circle as a graveyard or "madfan" for the Qlipphot.
>>17246299
Linguistics is one of my minors so I'm competent to the point of being able to puzzle bits of a LOT of languages but never got genuinely conversational in any I study so I know those feels, m8y.
>>17246297
Yeah, immersion's the only thing that makes the shit really stick, which is probably a large chunk of why I'm not conversational in anything.
>>17246016
I was watching movies that caught my fancy tonight- I'd highly recommend "Frequencies" (2013).
I keep seeing what I try to say said better by someone else before me every time I say it.
Perhaps I've accidentally intercepted Edgar Allen Poe's ka or something.
The jewel just keeps unfolding the more I look at it, but sort of in reverse. Hugely entertaining, but I'm not sure how much longer it'll be before I forget to tie my shoelaces.
Thank god I wear boots!
>>17246307
Hallowing the Kingdom of Qayin in the Valley of the Sons of Lamentation...the charnel worship of the Corpse Mother and Corpse Father...
>>17246313
Yup. O learnt english and spanish only because my parents invested in me when i was a child and i had aupairs from both spain amd english talk with me non stop. Just grew into those two languages. And polish was spoken at home. Pretty dank cause it makes learning languages for me much easier, guess my brain was shaped for it by the early introduction to learning languages.
My list after atabic is probably sanskrit, and then maybe tibetan. After that no clue.
>>17245355
bumping this shit so it doesn't go away, i might just want to download some of thi shit later today, and at the moment i just dont feel like it
2^74,207,281-1
Are aliens spiritual beings? The reason I ask this, is because didn't crowley channel a grey named Lam?
If Ojas flows downwards (and out of you?) when you're aroused, does that mean that you can't watch porn/edge?
Also, I'm pretty sure Ojas only actually leaves the body when you stroke the cock, not when you're aroused.
This Lady looks to be possessed and I was told off for following her around and filming her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqCNT3oNTg
>>17246501
It does , but it flows down and leaves the head, and it has to go up. Also, edgying and kama agni still are bad for spiritual growth cause they cause reversal of prana flow back down, and also kama agni kills both jathar and bhuta agni.
Any opinion on poke runyon?
Personally do not have one but have found his pod cast on kabbalah to be interesting and informative.
I'd recommend a person give it a listen if they are in curious. Don't know how the rest of his material pans out.
>>17246536
Well how do you lessen Kama Agni? Nofap just makes me hornier.
>>17246617
>Any opinion on poke runyon?
Many of his guests are vegetable tier retarded, but he's alright.
>>17246531
>told off
by whom?
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>>17246016
Aghosri pls help. i want to worship ganesha. pls give me his tantras. pls pls
>>17246170
ape pls help. where can i find more info about ucchista ganapati ?
>>17246755
Ez. In the mega of ape theres a file under shiva in the eatern folder titler "tantra tantrik puja.pdf" or smthn. I has pujas ofganesha.
Also research shivashakti.com, they might have some info. Idk anything specific abt ganesha as i was never interested in him. Ill try to gather i fo on his tantra and if i find it ill add it to the mega.
>>17246795
why not ? ganesha is so real, it's unbelievable. satguru sivaya subramaniam has some stuff on ganesha but its all the vama stuff
>>17246621
There are numerous ways. First is seeing every woman as your mother, or as a skeleton. Just imagine the corporeality of them. They are all just skin and bones. Or try to imagine everyone how they will look like in 300 years. Slowly, once it become second nature to you, you wont get as aroused allthe time. For me, seeing every woman as my mother works and also develops a sort of love for everything, as i see everything as maa. I really love this oractice.
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>>17246795
aghori but i want inner puja not external ones
>>17246800
Vamamarga is my way senpai. And for me it is shiva and shakti that is truly real. Ganesha is just another manifestation of shiva. Vamamatga isnt that bad if you realize that your deity is the source of creation and that everything is the deity, and thus even shit and piss is the deity. Everything is holy.
>>17246808
i want ganesha really badly. i dont care about his boons. he is the only one truly here for me, if that makes any sense.
>>17246806
The external puja is the internal one. You worship ganesh, but truly you worship yourself. You are ganesh because as your tantric deity he is the brahman. He is the everything. Thus external puja is internal because the macrocosm (external) is the microcosm (interneal) and vice versa. Internal puja is usually done when you realize yourself as the deity, when you become one wth it. Then there is no need for external puja because you can worship yourself simply by enjoying pleasures or through simple acts like japa.
Vajrayana has a lot of inner puja though, try to read some of their stuff and look for the pattern in the sadhanas. Then just apply the pattern to the mantras of ganesha and there you have a purely internal puja, and itll be completly sattvik too.
>>17246808
where can i find resources on the agnis ?
>>17246818
thanks.
>>17246811
That is the greatest attitude you can have. Keep it that way. You will get ganesha if you just keep loving and longing for him that way.
Untill you find what you look for,, chant ganeshas mantra, and do everything with bhakti - be completly devoted to him. Everything you do, offer it to ganesha. When you eat- imagine ganesha eating. When you enjoy something - imagine ganesha enjoying it. This is one of the greatest ways to increase the longing you feel. You will achieve the greatest yoga if you do this, and also practice sadhana.
I love to see somone who has the right attitude.
>>17246805
>or as a skeleton
Ok thanks. I'll try it
>>17246826
Also, the best way i know to worship, is to join external and internal puja. Do a simple external right, call the deity, offer a candle and some incense. Possibly make a small altar somehwere, nothing has to be shiny, symbollic is good.
Offer some sweets maybe or whatever ganesha likes, and then sit in a good pose that is stable and start chanting the ganesha mantra. Whilst you chant it, feel the intense love you have ganesha. Call him through the words of the mantra. Imagine how he looks, what he wears, how big he is.
This is the easiest sadhana for almost all deities. It works wonders and can be done by anyone with no initiation.
You would make a great disciple for somone, think about visiting india one day and searching for a guru.
>>17246827
really ? i thought tantra sadhna was all about getting powers and controlling gods
>>17246825
Svoboda has some in his 1st book on aghora, and also the file titled "aghora ebook draft" in the mega also has some info on it in the first chapters.
Apart from that idk, most of what i learnt was by my guru. Always remember there are fires though, you cant have too much of all cause youll burn, or too little of all cause youll freeze.
>>17246839
can i be your disciple ?
>>17246843
Its a part of it but the powers arent the goal. Controlling minor deities and soirits is not a part really, you evoke them and please them, sometimes have exchanges for information. The goal is to unify with your deity, be it vishnu shiva or ganesha. Unless youre a filthy dualist vaishnava tantrik, then idk, youre just weird then.
>>17246846
I cant have disciples as i am myself not fully initiated. I simply know some things. I can help you out on the path as a guide, but im not a master nor have i achieved anything. I simply long for my Maa and love my guru.
>>17246851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORLcFRbjet4
>>17246852
Its all shakti anyways, but for mere orecision i worship tara, the same tara that is in tibetan buddhism, except in her wrathfull form. As smashan or ugra tara.
Best way to learn about Hinduism?
>>17247118
read everything you can, starting with wikipedia, then anything ese you can find, ending with root texts such as bhagavad gita, vjnana bhairava tantra, agamas, nigamas etc,
anything that doesnt have the slightest connection with isckon is generally good. isckon a shit.
>>17247168
Why is isckon shit ? So many westerners are isckoners ?
>>17247168
>isckon
what's wrong with hare krishna?
>>17247179
nah, its just that it has barley anything to do with hinduism. Its seriously just christianity with the face of india as lube.
they twisted the bhagavad gita so much, absicly every teaching they have is twisted and has nothing to do with vaishnavism or hinduism. Nothing wrong with Krishna himself though, just Isckon and prabhupada. fuck prabhupada
Anyone in the mood to hit up Gaap and get to know what the fucks going on?
>>17243184
apparently hes involved in this gril suicide, and since she wrote in perfect latin whilst never learning latin in her life, seems legit enough to me.
>>17247262
Nope.
I've been working on notes for the Dragon Book of Essex still. Almost ready to comment on the Rite on Apr. 30th.
As of now I've completed exegesis on a little more than half the 800+pg text.
>>17247262
Idk maybe the chick burned her sigil or something. maybe Gaap just wants attention who knows
Have a silly chart I made earlier for /lit/
Idle bump.
>>17245355
Prove that magic is real, or else go to /tg/.
>>17247905
Stupid goy, of course it's not real. Anyone who reads the right books of Qabalah knows it's not real. The deluded masses of course think they can perform miracles, but this is pure hogwash. Thanks for the bump though.
>>17247925
If magick isn't real, then can you explain life to me?
>>17247905
Why? We wanna talk about the phenomenology of religion and ritual, as well as esoteric aspects of various religious systems.
I don't care if people buy magic as a force of nature or as the psychological model, of which huge amounts of material, including about 1k academic texts in the library, has been published.
>>17247925
Kabbalah tended to denounce sorcery, for the most part, through about 13-1400. You're right though that most of Kabbalah is atheistic in nature, as Ain, the highest emanation of God, is simply nothing. Void. An empty throne.
>>17248039
Well anon, when a mommy and daddy love each other VERY VERY much, they give each other a special hug, and then nine months later a baby's born.
I'll tell you more when you're old enough to read some of my medical books :3
>>17247774
you read comic books? I think that Alan Moore's lates may have been influenced by the DBOE, although all i know about it is what you've said in some of these threads i've skimmed. IT's a reworking of some lovecraft stories, the plot revolves around a small cult of seemingly sinister star worshippers and a book, the Kitab Al-Hikmah Al-Najmiyya. First issue featured an occult scholar giving a discourse on melek taus for reasons that remain obscure.
Meanwhile Grant Morrison's latest, Nameless is heavily influenced by Kenneth Grant. see pic
>>17248194
>Ain, the highest emanation of God, is simply nothing. Void. An empty throne.
yes, but God as in the Character was also real, so i wouldn't call it atheistic
"With the Beginning the unknown concealed one created the palace.
This palace is called God.
The secret is: "With Beginning __________ created Elohim"
matt translation
>>17248206
Yeah, I read comics, but not much any of Moore or Grant. Used to read Moore, but dude's kind of a twat and I don't wanna give any more cash to the guy. And I keep trying to get into Grant, but just can't.
I think Grant has ties to Typhonians so it's not unfeasible to think he knows a couple of CS practitioners.
RE: Tesseracts and Xibola in the mind, one part Malkut and three Iesod, dude MAY be hinting at the form of the A.'.A.'. Temple, but that's kinda conjecture and I need to tinker with AC's illustrations in the Warburg microfilms for any hard answers on that end.
>>17248249
>I think Grant has ties to Typhonians
you don't say...
>>17248294
Just because you think Lam was a grey doesn't, necessarily, make you a Typhonian...look at our resident Christfriends like Pet3r.
My point is rather that he actually physically runs with those circles and advocates AC's practices along with the implication that Lam was a grey.
>>17248335
Lam was a grey. hH looks like a grey and even exudes the same alien space-kike vibe as a grey. Just accept it.
>>17248357
>Lam was a grey
Ok.
>kike
>Just accept it.
No.
Is there any benefit to joining a secret society besides circlejerking with other nutjobs? The closest thing in the area that isn't straight masonry are the local heathens and I just don't like building shit in the woods and doing mushrooms all that much.
>>17248393
I don't think soulless, slave-race greys live very long, so he's probably long dead, just like your shit-gobbling messiah.
>>17248418
>he thinks I think AC was the messiah!
Yeah, no.
>>17248415
Highly depends on what's local to you; are you in or near a major metro area? If yes, it may be worth your while.
If not, you'll quickly find that if you actually dedicate a couple years to this shit, you'll rapidly be head and shoulders above the granola munching vegans at the pagan meet & greet in your friendly local fair trade coffeehouse :^)
>>17248434
The local heathens are no joke and take shit very seriously. The galdramaðr that runs the whole thing is on a whole different level. I'm just not hot on all the needlessly masculine calisthenics and physical labor or the tranny gangbangs around the fire.
>>17247262
That demon really wanted to play by the rules. Why are people so scared of it? It's only harmful when you buy into it being so.
People should stop summoning demons for the answers to life and start summoning them to go to Starbucks with.
>>17248462
I dunno where you are m8 so pardon my jocular tone.
If you think it won't be fruitful, don't bother. Keep your head down, and Work.
Self initiation's totally a thing, you just gotta work a bit harder than your peers.
How does the discovery of the new planet play into all of this?
>>17248610
Well, we don't have direct observation in it yet, but if/when we do, I imagine it'd largely have to do with the name it's designated, ESPECIALLY if the orbit of the thing doesn't really pass close to us as implied by the illustration in the article.
>>17247357
What about music?
>>17248644
If I remember correctly the discovery of eris didn't change much. I'd imagine this would be the same.
>>17248678
Discordians btfo
>>17248678
IMHO, it'll really hinge on the size and how close it comes to the rest of the solar system. If it's as big as projected, it could have some significant occult impact provided it gets as close to us as, like, Eris or Sedna or Orcus. Eris could be worked, it just ain't. Pluto ain't either for the most part.
Feel like Haumea's probably remnant of something larger so likely wouldn't have as large an effect as other similar sized TNOs.
>>17248738
Yeah, Senda's too far out, we're getting so many TNOs it's hard to keep track of.
If Planet 9's big but as far out as Sedna, it'll largely be irrelevant, I think, other than possibly perturbing some ice chunks in the Oort Cloud.
Is feeling guilty about the bad things you've done enough to get rid of negative karma?
>>17248786
No.
>>17248786
yes
>>17248786
No. First, there is no "good karma" or "bad karma". Only karma.
Second, you can't remove what karma is there until you've ceased accumulating it, at least according to the Jains, which I'm inclined to agree with.
>>17248850
>Jains
>cucks of the east
Might as well lob your knob off if you wanna listen to those folks.
>>17248866
Do you have like an actual critique or you just here to spam your little alt-right maymay?
>>17248850
It doesn't seem like my good/bad deeds influence my future all that much, it still seems random.
So i'm inclined to believe that it's not real
>>17248884
>maymay
Fascism was once an alt-right maymay in the mind of a manlet Italian teacher who was cucked out of a medal. Don't be so fucking arrogant because the future looks very uncertain.
>>17248928
Karma is not "what goes around comes around" or "threefold rule". It's much more passive than that.
It's like dust that obscures the diamond of Atman. It doesn't make bad thing happen to you if you're a meaniehead or reward you if you're Nice Guy™.
This isn't Christism we're dealing with.
>>17248945
>the guy who dismisses all of Jainism as being "cucks" with zero explication is lecturing someone else about arrogance
K.
>>17248946
Karma is like a wheel, if you speed in one direction, you gotta stop or slow down to change what path you're on. You're always on a path, but it's non in a straight line.
>>17248962
I mean, it appears that way in some Vedic material but they're not the only or final commentators on the subject.
I prefer Jainism for it's lack of retribution or reward.
I'm not sure how all this works in Buddhism because it's the Hindu mode I'm least familiar with.
>>17248971
Gaudiya Vaishnava here, there is no good karma, it's all bad.
>>17248962
>you gotta stop or slow down to change what path you're on
Wtf does that mean? Do I have to just sit there like a vegetable to "slow down" so I can start over?
>>17248980
Well, thanks for the perspective.
You the guy who spammed our thread on /his/?
>>17248994
Made some Hare Krsna threads here on /x/, but never been to /his/
>>17249001
>ISKCON
Well, again, thanks for the perspective.
I think I'll keep my Jain outlook of "it's not bad, any more than rain on a cold day or a toxic animal, it's simply best avoided."
>>17248971
Karma is the universal law of cause and effect. It's the statement that every event, every moment is an event preceded by and antecedent to myriad other moments. One wants to limit their karmic impact in a way that prepares them to divide by zero or do other mental mathematics.
>>17249020
Not in ISKCON actually, was initiated in the Gaudiya-Math.
>>17249051
The idea is to eliminate Karma all together by dovetailing ones activities in Krsna's service.
>>17249056
I'd rather divide by zero and peace out.
>>17249056
>Gaudiya-Math
Now that's actually interesting, pardon, we get some folks around here that claim Vaishnavism but are really just Christians trying to moralize and proselytize.
>>17249051
In Jainism, really the only causality it implies is over transmigration of the soul, rather than causality in and of itself.
I have extreme distaste for other perspectives on karma as it seems like an excuse for Westerner's to cling to their concepts of sin and cosmic spankings for having badwrongthoughts.
Rather than a retributive force, it's more thought of as...say snow that weighs down the branches of a tree, or dust obscuring the luster of a gemstone.
>>17249079
There is nothing wrong with ISKCON in my opinion, they are just limited. In the GM we discuss much more esoteric topics such as Raganuga bhakti, rasa lila and Manjari bhava.
>>17249082
You don't think their translations are a bit...fucky?
>>17249090
Not at all. Prabhupada's translations were the most accurate. Most if not all previous translations of the Bhagavad-Gita were pure Mayavadi philosophy. Of course, he also contributed the monumental works of Srimad-Bhagavatam (bhagavata purana) and Chaitanya Charitamrta.
>>17248738
I work with eris a fair bit, but haven't gotten into trying to map her to a chart or a sphere yet.
>>17249096
I think his Srimad's better than his Bhagavad, but that's just my feelpinion.
>>17249139
Try it ;^)
>>17249145
If you want a much darker, LHP take on Bhakti Yoga, check out Purushamedha by Rudra Das Goswami. I think you would enjoy it
>>17249145
Will get there, right now I just go chat with her in a glowing crystal sphere shaped like an apple, same basic method as other things in the tree, just not placed yet.
>>17248850
You can of you stop identifying with your karma. Once you isentify with the absolute and reach shivata, there is no more karma.
And side note >>17248866 this
Why jains senpai? Why is ahimsa so important ;-; its just like the religion of cucks, but i might be wrong. I never delved into the sytem. Are jains dualists? Why the no meat eating etc? Sin? Whyyy ;-;
>>17248946
Its not dust on the atman because it comes from the atman. Everything is atman meaning shiva&shakti. Its simply that you identify it (be ause the main force of you is shakti)
>>17248962
Thats vedas. Theyre dualist as fuck. FUCK DUALISM YOU LAZY PIECE OF SHIT YOU JUST CANT COMPREHEND ADVAITA FUCK YOU ALL
>>17248980
Just fuck off
Ok im done advaita memeing. Love ya all.
Jai Jai Maa!
>>17248610
Reading up a bit on this. It's estimated to be at least 600 au out. An au is the distance from the earth to the sun. For comparison pluto is only 40 au out from the sun. Seeing how it is 20x the distance that Neptune is, I don't think it will impact anything. And seeing how it has a 15,000 year orbit there wouldn't be much to adjust for within the span on human history.
Fellas i coouldn't make it before the last thread closed, so i'll have to ask it again. Sorry if you'll have to read it, but i can't find it in the 4plebs.
I don't understand the Alphabet of Desire. I get that it's supposed to be a kybalionish representation of transmuting one emotion into the other, but the pactical process is seriously lost on me.
Can someone who's more in depth with Spare or Carrol lay down some ABC for me?
>>17246180
Try being a Brahmacharya at 30, senpai. But as a fellow slav, i understand what you mean.
>>17250923
Im in brahmacharya at the moment untill i find a partner, if i dont, ill just stay like this and go into sanyas at 25-30.
>>17248928
Probably just heuristics.
Bump. Why we so dead?
>>17252370
My immediate guess would be the start of the semester.
This thread, historically, isn't really populated by NEETs.
How do you tell if someone is initiated? I have suspicions from time to time but they never speak the language. For the sake of discussion, initiated means practicing and benefiting from the fruits of an occult or esoteric system. I'm excluding general knowledge of esoterica or accepted exoteric practices because that does not an initiate make.
>>17253657
ask them
>>17253687
It's like asking somebody at work if they smoke weed. You gotta know three times before you do.
>>17253749
There is no magical way to tell if someone practices. If they've got some jewelry or tattoos that heavily imply that they do you can ask about those. You can broach the subject by talking about something safe like mindfulness. But what ever it is that makes you think they practice, ask about that.
>>17245355
Is there a set of skills or things that every great magician should know? Like
>Two or more systems of divination
>Astral projection and/or shamanic journeys
>At least one system of invocation and evocation
>Energy work and psychic self defense
>History and Lore of their system(s)
>Basic herbalism and/or energy healing
>A system of simple magic, like sigil magic or candle magic, for general tasks
Anything to add, /omg/? I was thinking also
>One system of astrology and basic knowledge of astronomy
>General gem/crystal/metal/mineral knowledge
>General knowledge of symbols, writing systems, etc.
>>17254539
That's a bit of a RPG approach isn't it. I can read most of the books in the Temple and do sigils, but then again I'm not a great magician
>>17254793
What I mean is, there has to be some quality standard by which we can say "x is a good/accomplished magician".
>>17254793
sigil work is meh. as above so below, reach far enough into the depths of your own mind and you'll find the whole of creation.
>>17254539
>>17254810
The various orders and organizations all have their own grade system by which to measure attainment. Pretty much everything listed there is covered under HOGD course work. I'm fairly certain oto and AA have their own grades as well.
The biggest problem I can see with the premise, though there are several, is attempting to find a plateau. A place in your studies where you can stop and say "ah ha I've really got it now."
But it doesn't work like that all. The rabbit hole goes down forever, as long as you'd like to keep learning, to keep experiencing new things, there will always be something else to play with.
As far as personal discretion in such matters go, set that bar wherever you want. Associate with whomever you please. There will never be an industry standard for magic, and even if there was it would be widely ignored.
since im on a path of learning here, would it be theoretically possible to summon and enslave an angel, rather than a succubus?
Do goody servant seems more attractive in my mind than something that would be a slut anyways
>>17254914
Well, now, it depends if you want to play that game.
The "powers that be" play the game by the rules, and you can fuck yourself up pretty good doing that. If you're ok with the risk, then by all means, leap in, but there are much gentler games you could play that are just as fun.
>>17254924
Gentle is boring, interesting is fun, and scarier things have tried to kill me
>>17254937
Then admit that you want interesting, and play the interesting game.
Stop trying to pass the interesting game off as the path home to yourself.
>>17254940
I learn whatever piques my interest, this piques my interest, thus it is my road to learning
Games are natures way of teaching
>>17254947
Nature is it's own game.
If you'd like me to play yours for a time, I can.
>>17254914
>enslave an angel
go ahead, nothing could possibly go wrong. like the angels getting mad and unleashing the wrath of heaven. nope.
>>17254950
I'm a pagan, freind, i'm already rather disliked by those fellows
and if you ask me life isn't worth living if you live peacefully
>>17254949
Is it my game, or yours?
>>17254955
Depends on the angle, of course.
>>17254957
And here I am again.
Shall I deal the cards? >>17254955
>>17254957
So yours then, I'll play along
>>17254960
Yes please
>>17254963
Regarding the summoning and binding of angels:
Open one pint of ether, then seal it tightly, and place it below a figurine of the Virgin.
Bestow upon the place whatever trappings you see fit, but keep flame from the room.
Let the course guide you to the Virgin herself, and recognize her as such.
Once this is done, pour the ether into an earthen vessel. Until such time as the ether has evaporated, you will have for all intents and purposes bound the essence you desire.
>>17245395
>>17254977
Thankyou for the wisdom you have bestowed upon me
>>17254963
>>17254957
>>17254955
So what game are we playing senpai?
Also, enslaving an angel is simply put it - dumb. Its better to evoke and ask, and maybe do a bit of worship. Itll take you less time and youll have a relationship instead of an enemy. Why be an asshole? Also, why would you enslave any spirit? Just fucking ask nicely and trade. Unless you really like to get fucked in the ass.
>>17254980
Go in good faith.
>>17254983
The game of black and white, it seems. I did have a favor to ask you- are you going to be about for a bit?
>>17254990
Yeah ill be here, whats up avolekitesvara?
>>17254983
Probably a white wolf one. VtA if I had to make a guess.
>>17254993
I thought of an interesting experiment.
https://niltalk.com/r/3cDhY
>>17254994
and HOW! I do love their games.
I wish the VtM LARPing community wasn't so unintentionally hostile, but the tabletop game is almost as fun.
>>17255002
Whats the password? If im to guess, i need a clue.
>>17255011
"Enter as is your custom," perhaps?
>>17255015
Spaces ? Capitalization?
Its harder than i thought.
>>17255017
"Like once before, as just before, so again."
>>17255021
>>17255017
Or perhaps
"In the beginning, just as before, so again."
>>17255023
I got it but the room doesnt exist anymore. I reloaded and
>>17255024
Such is indeed the way of things, it would appear. Same password:
https://niltalk.com/r/BNS7g
>>17255028
If it does it again, I swear it's not my fault!
https://discord.gg/0mUvk3sRyerI0tDS will work just as well in a pinch.
>>17255028
Well i havent got it i guess, the logging i screen mustve been an error coming from it not existing. Its not samsara in the end...
Hmm
>>17255031
A delightfully unintended lesson, I suppose! The discord link should work just as well.
>>17248462
I would like to hear more about these tranny gangbangs
>>17255006
anything but d20
bumping
>>17255292
Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Sanskrit already and 700 pages left to go.
Anyway what is your practice called?
>>17255292
Hindu people do not have magic, religion faith absorb it.
>>17255303
Aghora, in general tantra though
>>17255317
When did i talk about Magick? And also ofcourse we havemagic. I thinkyou need more reading
>>17255387
Well wikipedia brings up some wicked shit about that, but somehow you don't strike me as cannibal. Tell me a bit about, quick history, major beliefs and practices, and most important teacher/books?
>>17255416
There are no books, but anything on tantra will explain some things.
Tje cannibalism isnt for the sake of cannibalism. Its a way to realise that the essence of the dead body is the same as any vegetable or anything else. Absolutely nothing wrong with it aside from your prior belief that its wrong. Ive done that whilst with my guru in india.
Anyhow, for me all is shiva. Nothing in the wrold and all of creation isnt shiva. And thus nothing is unholy. I love shiva fully, and thus i love the world. But the created world we experience is shakti - the feminine aspect of shiva. And i love everything as her as my mother
>>17255432
Well that's pretty hardcore.
Are there aspects of shiva you work with, or is it just going straight for the all and all?
>>17255472
Personally, bhairava or mahakal, and the smashan/ugra tara aspect of shakti. But thats a matter of preference. I also sometimes work with kapalesvara
>>17255478
Destruction aspects. Anything in particular you want to burn down?
>>17255495
Not at all destruction. Death is the beginning of life, isnt it? Without death no life could be, without the nothing, something would have nowhere to exist.
I worship the root of all creation - shakti in form of tara, and mahakala - the great void, lord of death himself. I seek to end my samsara.
>>17255515
From my point of view all life is continuation of a system, but I don't really know the pantheon well enough to know the specific attributes of your deities.
>>17255641
my pantheon gets really complex at some points but boils down to this: Shiva is the unmanifest, the nondual. from shiva split shakti - and this was the big bang. She then manifested in all forms. she is the giver and taker of life, she is basicly change - time. her attribute is change, because as she created things they had to change. shiva is the sta le, he is the void.
if that makes sense to you.
>>17255648
Been studying up on the Golden dawn material lately. Pantheons within pantheons, Spirits with the same name appearing in different pantheons supposedly as different powers.
But yeah, makes sense to me.
Help me understand something here:
So the way I understand it, the way a ritual/sigil/charm works is by focusing on a symbol representing an intent (without the intent itself, IE you pray to Mars to win a competition) during a period where your conscious mind shuts off, which is achieved by meditation, or intense sensations such as pain or pleasure.
So a basic money ritual could be:
1. I build a altar, or sigil, representing wealth (to me).
2. I forget the original intent behind whatever I built.
3. I induce pain and focus on the sigil or whatever I made to represent my intent.
4. I destroy everything related to the ritual and forget.
Is this correct?
If so, what is the point of unwilling sacrifices and such? Is it just to further convince yourself of the ritual's power?
>>17255812
There are many, many different theories on what magic is and why it works, when it works.
The "fire and forget" method is a relatively recent creation specific to chaos magic. And building an altar to something, then forgetting why you built an entire altar seems a bit on the impossible side.
And while people trying to get money from magic is nothing new. joseph smith was trying to ask the enochian angels for the location of treasure when he supposedly had his vision of Mormonism.
>unwilling sacrifices
fuck out of here with that indiana jones shit
>>17255812
No, fuck that. Focus on wealth directly without some gay little sigil. Use affirmations to program the energy and visualize your intent.
If you want wealth, I don't see how pain and blood would help you. You can try to invoke Jovial or Venetian energy if you want money.
>>17255869
Can you have a back&forth with yourself? How do you get a word in edgewise?
>>17255667
Same name/different power is USUALLY a function of the four Kabbalistic worlds: the correspondences change as you hop Trees.
>>17255880
Suck it bro. You should thank me profusely for correcting your mistakes.
Honestly the "idea" of magic is more powerful than magic itself.
It's a perfect benchmark for mind-control and persuasion. If you can convince someone of the existence of literal magic, then you can convince them of anything. That's power in and of itself.
>>17255890
what does the tree even represent? i never got it. is it like the nadi system?
>>17255913
Hey aghori how do you deal with people disturbing your meditation ?
>>17255913
>nadi
A lot of folks make that analog but I try not to.
Think of it more like the Saivist perspective on Tattvas. Pic related.
>>17255929
so it represents the world? metaphysical structure that is.
>>17255955
Yeah, and the shades, tones, and qualities thereof. Also, a tool to help standardize astral experiences, in the later Hermetic Kabbalah, though an argument could be made that the Hekhalot literature was doing this as well.
>>17255890
Maybe? Seen it with the different hierarchies within the tree, sphere/planet/element ect
While doing shamanic journeying, are you actually doing astral projection? Or are the two separate?
When I do journeys I can speak to otherworldly entities, but I don't feel a disconnect from my body, don't see a silver cord, can't fly, etc.
What is, metaphysically, the difference between the two?
>>17255862
I was referring to animals and shit, I never even seen Indiana Jones
>>17255869
I just used wealth as an example, and I also used pain as an example of something to shut your conscious mind off.
>>17255970
desu what is the actual point of kabbalah? cause i seem to not get it. its knowledge? god? or just astral travelling.
>>17255998
jewish roleplaying
>>17255998
An attempt to make the spiritual into something rational.
>>17255993
flight is present in shamanic journeys, it's actually a key feature, you're doing it wrong
>>17255998
>knowledge (of) God
Yeah, if you read up on Aryeh Kaplan's comments on Hebrew contemplative practices it becomes pretty clear that Kabbalah's essentially a Jewish form of yoga.
>>17256010
Eh, in later comment, yes, but the early material seems to be that sort of foundational taxonomy of mystical experience, for example Hekhalot Rabbati's just explaining the palaces of God on the way to the On High. Then Zohar, while really large, can kinda be reduced to an anatomy of the body of God, a term borrowed by Frater Achad, iirc.
>>17255993
>93
Depends on what exactly you're doing. My easy and non-in depth answer would be they're the same.
I dunno how much I buy into the cord of silver. I stopped seeing it very shortly after I got srs about praxis.
But the detail answer definitely depends on what exactly you're doing in terms of shamanism (as in what tradition), and the qualities of the visions.
lot of alchemical texts and other contents can be found through this site
google Alchemical Garden at the Edge of Time
>>17256017
>Shamanism is a monolithic and standardized enterprise across the thousands of shamanic traditions in pre- or post-complex cultures.
No.
>>17255993
>silver cord
nonsense, has nothing to do with anything
>can't fly
super powers are more a lucid dreaming thing
>disconnect from my body
relaxation, sometimes heaviness, disconnect isn't strictly necessary, it's more that you just stop paying attention to your body, ignoring it. not entirely disconnected from it.
>difference between the two
method used to enter the state, what you're working with generally, and location
>>17255869
>Venetian energy
Uh... Venetian? Since when is Venice a hotspot of occult power?
You meant to say venereal, right?
>>17256099
He probably meant Venusian if it wasn't an autocorrect mistake.
>>17255927
If i get disturbed whem meditating, isnt that missingthe loint if the oractice? If i want to be alone ill just be obscene. Its easier. And fun.
Also, getting drunk in general, could not count the benefits with my body oarts. Sucks the liver cant take it though.
Jai jai maa!
>>17256112
"Venusian" is a sci-fi neologism. The proper term is Venereal.
>>17256136
Venereal is a neo-occultohipster term, the proper term is bullshit.
>>17256136
>Venereal
I thought that usage was outdated as fuck...like nowl or stang for nail or pole.
Really it's whatever. If I wanted to have a semantics/pragmatics/semiotics discussion I'd have made gone to /his/ and made a thread.
>>17245355
Does it hinder spiritual growth to have hatred towards certain people? I try to meditate and exercise to get rid of anger and tension, but there's a lot of shit I read every day that pisses me off.
>>17256281
it does just show lack of spiritual growth, but at the same time its pointless to fight the signs of disease. if you try to treat anger and hate - youll get rid of the headache. but the sickness is still there and these will arise in different places. quit playing whack a mole and focus on meditation for the sake of spiritual growth, not making life easier and less stressfull. otherwise youre better off buying a massage
Hara Hara Mahadev!
>>17256167
I mean, it's kind of like saying "nucular" instead of nuclear. Everyone knows what you mean, but still, you don't want to be that guy who says "nucular" do you?
>>17256327
no, its more like saying 'to hark' instead of 'to listen'
Does anybody here masturbate to porn? I love it but after I jerk off I feel weak and my mind feels cloudy. I gave it up because i feel like it's unnatural and a tool to make people weak and it's partially why our society is so obsessed with sex in my opinion.
>>17256659
>>>/adv/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/
I have zero fucking clue what your post has to do with occultism and/or magick especially when we've got, and have had, multiple regulars who practice sexual magick as well.
>>17256672
What does sex magick have to do with porn though?
>>17256659
>Does anybody here masturbate to porn?
That's not really 4chan's thing, you know?
>>17256676
I was more referring to the implication of masturbation making people weak and degrading society.
Because A.O. Spare seemed like such a weak person, right?
>>17256678
Hey, Senator. How's things?
>>17256689
Quite well, quite well, thank you for asking!
>>17256672
>loosing those precious ojas
why ;-; Brahmacharya desu
>>17256727
>not amplifying them and immediately consuming them for integration back into your system after emission, combined with menstrual or otherwise vaginal fluids
Bro, do you even ouroboros?
>>17248335
>Just because you think Lam was a grey doesn't, necessarily, make you a Typhonian
Oh, I know, I only meant to express that i wasn't surprised that he was, not that it was obvious that he was.
Incidentally, I don't think that panel is Grant claiming lam was a grey. In the invisibles at least the pattern seems to be an initiation of ritual death and rebirth with new powers, the specifics of which vary from culture to culture. When it's a godless working class british kid doing drugs in an abandoned subway terminal it's aliens, when it's a transgender shaman it's a confrontation with the mayan death god etc. A bit like what eliade said, although i suspect anthropologists now are down on that sort of thing. Actually, does anyone know what the modern antrhopology suggests about the plurality or universaility of these sorts of initiation visions? It does fit an experience I had when fucking around with an improvisational initiation ritual. Except I didn't get any fucking magic powers!
>>17256672
Stfu you autist. He was talking about masturbating to pornography, not sex magic in general. Learn to fucking read.
>>17256659
Ya, porn is a cancer on society that should be not-so-surgically removed. And this is coming from a guy who used to be addicted to that filth.
>>17256808
I mean, you can find salvation in a salt-shaker, why not in pornography?
It's all about the angle at which you contemplate the gem. Some are better than others, but not for every ego.
>>17256808
I can hardly wait for your enlightened totalitarianism to show us all the error of our ways.
>>17256900
>enlightened totalitarianism to show us all the error of our ways.
That's right. It's inevitable, so you better get on the right side of history if you don't want to get left behind.
>>17256738
>not performing Vajroli and draining grills of their precious ojas
Bro, do you even tantric sexual practice?
>>17256925
My sides...are in orbit.
>>17256925
>Vajroli
>not the Kaula rite
Plen.
>>17256872
^That.
>>17256900
^Also, that.
>>17256921
You absolutely cannot put order into the world unless you put order into yourself. That was Hitler's big fucking problem, at least one of them.
where are you guys getting all these god's names from
>>17257113
? Generally speaking various godnames are littered all over scripture. For example, "Adoil" appears in the Book of Enoch and only the Book of Enoch.
>>17257146
what scriptures?, from whom or what times?
when do I know a if a certain scripture actually talks about a real god or not.
>>17257206
>when do I know a if a certain scripture actually talks about a real god or not.
Take that which is useful to you, leave the rest.
>>17257206
I don't think reading about a Godform in a source text is going to tell you if they're efficacious or not. That's really only discerned through practice. Even then, some gods like certain people, and certain people are more inclined to get responses from certain gods.
At least as far as Kabbalah's concerned, the Godnames come out of Old Testament plus Pseudoepigrapha alongside the Merkava, Hekhalot, and similar literatures.
For calling upon an angel, does one need to do much of any ritual? Would a simple "Hey, Michael, I'm scared as shit and I think that there's some majorly bad juju going on here; could you halp plox?" suffice to get help?
>>17257304
Prayer is pretty entry level unless you're catholic.
>>17257304
It would take about the same amount of time to belt out LBRP if you're competent in it, so work on that before you just pray.
>>17257315
^
Orthodox too. Maybe some obscure groups like Beguines or some Gnostic sects like Mandeans.
>>17257315
Then what makes John Dee's angelic works so special, aren't they basically the same thing?
>>17246170
What happened to the wiki about Chumbly's stuff? Is it still up?
>>17257323
A E S T H E T I C S
What works is a question of the aesthetic relative to the operator and setting. Or rather the relationship between the three. Dee has elizabethan & alchemical elements working in his favor. Even then it is difficult to outdo the catholic spectacle which is some powerful stuff on all levels. Really goes deep.
>>17257341
Still up but not really filled out. I've got like 40ish pages of letters and personal notes that haven't really gone up yet.
I just finished going through and identifying the Mothers and Fathers of the Witchblood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41oGcaDjLPM
>>17257107
>That was Hitler's big fucking problem, at least one of them.
Despite your hippy-dippy libshit brainwashing, Hitler was a great individual and probably had more mental order than your scat wizard AC.
He was always consistent and never wavered in his ideals.
>>17257233
>Even then, some gods like certain people, and certain people are more inclined to get responses from certain gods.
So if I share the element/planet of a god, we're more likely to get along? Or is it more of an opposites attract kind of thing?
>>17257366
>hippy dippy libshit
Ok, I mean, we'll ignore my copy of Codex Fascismo is absolutely jam-packed with my approving marginal notes, but sure, I'm an SJW, whatever helps your narrative, friend-o.
>>17257355
^I like you. Seem like you know what's what. New here?
>>17257323
Dee/Kelley standardized using Agrippa which really isn't prayer when you start getting into the planetary and stellar magick.
>>17257388
I know that it's not prayer, I'm asking if there's any particular advantage to not using Dee's method for dealing with angels. Like, why use magic and shit, why not just ask? Especially with angels.
>>17257388
Been here on and off for too long. Finally had some things finish simmering and precipitate. One has to find his own aesthetic. Outside of it there is only yearning and discomfort. Fraternal brotherhood forthcoming.
>>17257396
Why would the Angels of the Quarters, let alone YHVH, intervene into the life of someone they're not aware of.
God has to be aware you're exist to save you. I imagine much the same is true for the Angels. You're not going to get your girlfriend on the phone by dialing your insurance agent.
I've got a lot of like personal doctrinal feelpinions about the matter, having to do with the nature of these things in relation to entities like the Archons of Neoplatonism, but really it's going to come down to a matter of preference and perspective.
>>17257422
>aware you exist
I gotta stop restructuring my comments halfway through typing 'em.
I have been keeping Resh for a while and I have been very pleased with the results it has given me so far. However I am beginning to feel that my practice is unbalanced. I am considering beginning a similar practice directed towards the moon. Does anyone know if there is a frequent, regular practice similar to Resh but for the Moon? I could just find a lunar prayer and read it when the moon is conjunct the ascendant, midheaven, 7th house cup and 4th house cup but the times that the moon is at those angles vary considerably from day to day, unlike the sun so I do not know how suitable they would be..
