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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
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PVM's are a beaut.
>>3272613
trini's too
>>3272619
not with that convergence they don't
guess what kind of crt
>>3272685
Turtles just looks like it's out of focus, and the
Pokemans looks more like composite artifacts rather than convergence issues. Some geometry issues though.
>>3272697
>crushed whites
consumer trinitron
35" mitsu from 1989, still kickin
>>3272685
how so?
>>3272854
That the console one? I saw one on craigslist but they're asking $200 for it, also, 260lbs is insane.
>>3272607
Hi guys.
Need your help here. Today I got a Sony KX20PS1 amazing picture and image tuning for a 30 years old Monitor.
The problem is it look like the On Off button is faulty or something like that. Strange thing is When I press it the On and Off leds are lighted at the same time and nothing show on screen. it really annoying to make it work.
I also have a problem with my Snes as it look like it don't send video signal on the screen even if there is sound.
For the 2nd problem I think it come from the cable as I am using a Gamecube cable maybe?
If someone know how to repair this I would be grateful.
>>3272981
how are you connecting this?
scart or composite?
that's a nice tv, I have the NA version and I really like the actual aesthetic
>>3272990
Thanks for the reply.
Scart as i am in Europe.
PS : Is this thing really a TV ? Who would need side speakers connected by Spade and speakers wire pin,RCA input and seriously a BNC connector ? If this is a TV then this is a bad ass TV.
>>3273023
It's a TV in the sense that it outputs at 15khz and accepts the same inputs that TVs do. Most likely it was made to be a PC monitor for some kind of 8bit computer, i.e. an MSX or commodore or something like that, which were compatible with TVs but better suited to a dedicated monitor like yours.
>>3272854
Is that from Origins or Dawn of Souls in 240/160p?
Too lazy to go find them in the former, so here's a bestiary shot from the latter.
Hey guys, having a strange issue with a Sony 27KS100 (one of the silver flatscreen ones that seem to be everywhere).
Basically, on every input EXCEPT FOR COMPONENT the screen is not extremely black when it should be - some phosphors are clearly being lit, tinting it slightly reddish - and there's a slight rippling effect starting at the bottom of the screen and moving up. It's really noticeable on dark screens, i.e. tons of NES games that used black backgrounds. It can't be anything to do with the cords because again, it's on all composite and s-video inputs, even when the console is powered off.
Is there any way to fix this? If it's something I can fix with the service menu I'll give it a shot, but if it's something where I'd have to get in there with a soldering gun around lethal voltages I'll pass, there's plenty of dirt cheap TVs around me and I'm considering downsizing to a smaller set (preferably not a flatscreen because of those geometry issues) anyway, the only reason I haven't is because sixth gen stuff looks damn fine with component on this set.
>>3272981
you can't use a GC cable with a PAL SNES. You need a cable specificaly for PAL SNES.
I'm sort of confused about the difference between 480i and 240p. Will I lose any detail by deinterlacing the 480i signal from 6th gen consoles? My CRT isn't capable of 480p and I want the best possible image. Should those consoles be hooked up to an HD display?
>>3273819
Unless you are able to deinterlace and take 480i content up to 480p, leave it as 480i.
Deinterlacing after the fact and taking a 480i output and turning it into 240p will give you either a jumpy and nasty looking picture, a blurry image, or both.
If you're somehow able to get the system to render and output in 240p itself, this can give better results, but will result in a loss of vertical resolution.
This applies to actual 480i games; If a port/collection/etc displays a game that was originally in 240p as 480i, and you have a way to turn it back to proper 240p, go for it.
This is 240p dong, using Swiss to have the GC output 240p rather than the 480i it normally would.
>>3273819
If the game runs at 480p/60 internally 480i output loses some detail (only half the image is being drawn per frame)
If the game runs at 480p/30 (or less) internally an interlaced signal carries all the information of the game.
The only 6th gen games i'm like 100% sure run at 480p/60 fps are Tony Hawk 3 and 4. (There are probably others).
I went the (expensive) multiformat PVM route because I wanted lagless 480p for my 6th gen games. If the games and system are 100% 480p (backwards compatible Wii, original Xbox? , backwards compatible PS3? ) you can also use a VGA cable or YsPbPr -> RGBHV transcoder and a computer CRT monitor.
PS2 and gamecube are annoying because you generally have to boot the system in 480i and navigate the hack menu before you can turn on 480p. A 480p-only VGA monitor will show no output during this time, though I suppose you could memorize the button sequence or use it in a weird combination with a 15khz tv and swapping the cables.
>>3273472
It's possible your set has different presets for brightness/contrast/tint etc depending on the input in use. One of my BVMs had the 480i input all fucked up and red as hell, but 480p was just fine because they were different settings.
Pay attention to the settings visible and see if they change from component to composite. If so, simply write down and copy the settings you like from the component inputs and enter them with a composite signal connected.
If it's a gain/bias issue you may need to work your way into the service menu. Write down all the current settings before you start messing with them
>>3273840
>>3273846
So essentially unless the game itself supports 480p, running in 480i will always give the best image clarity?
I know PS2 games run almost universally in 480i, but like you said, original Xbox and a ton of GameCube games have progressive scan. I just have a regular consumer set from the early 2000s with component, composite, and s-video and am trying to figure out how to get the best picture for GCN (Wii) and Xbox. PS2 through component looks much better than composite but not as sharp as I was hoping, likely due to it being interlaced.
>>3272901
yes it is
>>3273447
origins, ps2, y/c
I just popped in some u.n. squadron and noticed some distortion, any idea what would cause this?
>>3273023
When I bought mine the seller also had the original tuner for it available
its branded as a profeel monitor here, predecessor to the pvm I believe
>>3273860
the text seems weird. here's some depressed leon to show the same effect. on a different 240p console
>>3273856
It's not just the interlace, a bunch of 6th gen games will use whats called a flicker filter to try to make interlace look better but also makes it more blurry. I know a few games let you turn it off in options, like SSB Melee and FFXII.
>>3273846
>and gamecube
Hold B at boot, press A button.
If the game supports progressive scan, you've now activated it. Alternatively, if you're using a Wii, just have the Wii set to boot in 480p by default and you're good to go.
Comparing it to the PS2's mish-mash of activation methods is silly.
F-Zero GX is the go-to 480p60 6th gen game for me.
>>3273860
I had a feeling it was Origins. Have a copy of it laying around, but no saves to screw around with.
My TV cuts off some of the image at the top and bottom of the screen. Will adjusting the vertical size setting in the service menu fix that?
>>3273881
Yep
>>3273889
Cool, was hoping that was the right setting. Will it squash the image any horizontally/fuck up the aspect ratio though?
>>3273893
It may require you to adjust horizontal size a bit as well in order to keep(or fix if it isn't currently) the geometry correct.
>>3273868
crack it open and adjust the focus
>>3273840
>converting 480i into 240p
literally autism
>>3274176
it has some purposes
>>3273852
Settings in the menu are identical across all inputs. The odd thing is is that it does seem to go away if the picture mode is set to anything other than standard - even sports, which makes everything brighter. Again though, even on standard, the component input doesn't have this issue.
if im playing ps2 on a crt through component where the fuck am i supposed to put the sharpness setting at? it's an RCA flat tube btw.
>>3274651
As sharp as it will go without artifacts appearing around high contrast edges
I'm going to set up a wiki for us, for a few purposes.
1) Documenting specific models that we've owned and used. This will make it so that people will have a place to search for a specific unit that someone might be selling on craigslist - this way, they'll have somewhere to look for info that is suited to retro games, instead of going off of whatever reviews from people who likely only used the display for TV and movies there are online.
2) Centralized info.
3) List of brands, display types, stuff to avoid/look for, stuff like that.
The first one is the biggie. Anyway, what should I host it on? I was thinking wikia but if anyone knows of any other free wiki hosting sites that'd be great.
>>3273860
That's 'ringing' or 'ghosting'. Note how it only appears on the right hand side of the white lines, that is, forwards in time as the scanline is drawn from left to right.
Usually you can fix this with a better quality cable or input method (S-video, component, rgb)
I'm looking for the cheapest and best Scart switcher on Ebay. Is this thing garbage?
>>3275287
>>3273881
Not if you're using a pal console
>>3275281
Yes, you want one that is powered
>>3275281
If it's a cheap scart switch, then it is garbage. You don't want to go cheap on those, unless you like losing your signal quality and getting annoying noisy audio.
>>3274651
I always put it either right in the middle or all the way down. Whichever doesn't touch the signal.
Some of you know shit about 240p and 480i so I figured I'd ask.
I noticed on the PS3, it will upscale PS1 games and make them look beautiful and crisp. When it does this with PS2 games, they typically look like garbage. Smoothing helps, but not much. Is this because the PS2 games were shit 480i and the PS1 games were clean 240p?
How the fuck do I force 480p?
>>3275351
wtf is wrong with your CRT?
What's the source?
>>3275395
Not sure if IIT will work but you could try a component cable
>>3275426
A duo-r
>>3274157
it looks better in person I'm using an old point and shoot that doesn't like displays. I am interested though. I couldn't find a service manual for my exact set but a similar 35" console on manulslib. I might give it a go.
>>3274989
it's on the left on playstation which has an old cheapass interact cable. The Snes has a nice diy cable grounded to both pins. could it be in the connection to the pcb in the tv or traces too close together? I guess I'll try some new cables, I can always sell what I don't need or have backups
I bought an SNES today. Here it is hooked up to my CRT. I don't know anything about this, but it does look nice and cozy. I couldn't get a better photo of it (for obvious reasons).
Can I have your advice in purchasing a BVM?
I live in the greater Los Angeles area and don't know what to look for, the best places to look or how much I should be paying. I own a first model snes, genesis model 2, and a saturn if that helps.
Currently on craigslist
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pho/5604249696.html
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ele/5592964978.html
Are bvms THAT MUCH better than pvms? Should I bother with brands other than sony?
Thanks.
>>3275447
No, crts in general are garbage and produce fuzzy scanlines that interfere with the art of the game. This is why scanlines are never included in the screenshots of the games.
>>3275360
I'm not. Just got the screen size to what it's supposed to be. I've always played with HUDs and shit cut off at the top and bottom as long as I've had this TV (since I was a kid) and it's fucking amazing how much of the picture I've been missing. I think I've got this TV as good as it's going to get, and the difference is like night and day.
Why are default settings on most consumer sets such absolute fucking garbage, to the point where you have to go into the service menu just to fix it?
>>3275479
A component cable supports 480p. The ps3 will work with a ps2 component cable. I'm pretty sure the ps3 with display at 480p with it plugged in
>>3275502
HDMI cables can do 480p though.
>>3275502
UWATM8
Are you setting it to double scale and using 4:3 on the tv? I find mine looks best with smoothing off and the sharpness or detail setting all or most of the way down. FFXII can do 16:9 though just turn the flicker filter off in the options or it will still be blurry.
>>3275520
Which settings?
Fuck.
>>3275447
They are much better but pvms are still great. For those consoles you only need 240p so you don't need a multi format monitor. Look for a pvm/bvm with bnc inputs for r,g,b, and sync. If it's got that it's most likely really decent and you will be able to get the best picture possible out of your console. You then need some cable or adapter solution to get rgb + sync from your consoles to the monitor as separate bnc connectors. All your current consoles will output rgbs without being modded as standard. Personally I use console scart cables to a scart - rgbs 4 RCA adapter to 4 RCA cables - 4 rca-bnc connectors to the monitor. No idea how much they would cost in your area but I would imagine with holly wood/porn being there they would be very plentiful. Good luck!
>>3275447
>Should I bother with brands other than sony?
Yeah, you should if you can find them for a better price than those craigslist posting. JVC and Panasonic made some great monitors.
>>3274963
Would do much better than a medley of pastebins, that's for sure.
I don't know if ITEM-3/"The guy who controls gametechwiki" is still around, but I think that would be a really nice place to look to, since it hosts /vr/'s (relatively unmaintained) Repair/Mod General Wiki as well as /vg/'s emugen wiki.
No reason to resort to wikia when there's a choice closer to home./r/crtgaming actually has something similar in approach to that, but people are too lazy to update things for the most part.
>>3275505
>lag
>>3275479
>buy a CRT
>buy a ps1/ps2/ps3 composite AV cable
done.
You can also upgrade to a CRT that takes 480p over component for the mild autism variant, or a professional multiformat monitor that will support lagless 480p over component for the ultimate autism
>>3275447
If that BVM was multiformat I'd scoop it up in a heartbeat, but it's 15khz-only. $500 is a little too much for my taste for a 240p/480i 20 incher but tastes differ.
If the PVM is in good condition (no phosphor burn in, no screen scratches, h-sync jitter on 240p not visible from >1 ft, all three guns work strong) then it's a good deal. $200 for a 20" is a pretty good deal.
BVMs are a *tiny* bit crisper but mostly it has to do with the absolute fuckton of options they have for super fine tuning everything. I actually like my PVMs better because they're a bit more "get up and go" as compared to some complicated shit you've got to read the manual for.
>>3275686
>200$ for a pvm
maybe if its in perfect condition
>>3275531
sorry that was my dvd settings, disable 1080i in display settings, set upscaling to normal and use 4:3 or narrow mode on your hdtv, then lower the sharpness all the way and turn it back up until it starts looking too jaggy then turn it back down a bit. Sometimes the ps3 scaler can be wonky though so you might want to try disabling 1080p then 720p and see which resolution works best as most tv's can scale 480p and up just fine.
>>3275794
and don't use smoothing as that just makes everything blurrier.
My Spanish neighbors are doing something and they are giving me a bunch of stuff and I just got this, my first CRT, thoughts? DVD players works as well.Sorry for shit quality
>>3275852
>My Spanish neighbors are doing something
>moving?
>prison?
I can only confirm you do in fact now have a CRT.
>>3275852
Find out what connections you have in the back and use the best one.
how can i get better convergence for my NEC FE990? As you can see by the picture, its kinda curved atm
i know perfect convergence is impossible but i want to get as close as possible
>when a ground is not the same as a ground
fucken electronics I swear...
>>3276323
>Flatscreen
You're just fucked when it comes to convergence, I'm sorry.
>>3275281
I find one of the best advantages of SCART is that it's just a single plug. The mere seconds it takes for me to just swap systems manually is great.
>>3276323
You talking about the bottom edge? That's normal. "Flat" tubes are only flat on the fromt surface. The inside (where the phosphors are deposited) still has a slight curve to it.
Also, you're referring to geometry, not convergence. Convergence issues would have to be pretty extreme to show on such a shitty picture. Like pic related extreme...
>>3276571
doing this ruins the socket. Use an extension if you must.
>>3275281
you pic is a piece of shit (but it does have some uses, one of which I hope to show soon).
What you want is a scart switch that has a side bulge, because it hides long switches. Pic related is probably the most you can get in mechanical form.
Really stupid question, but people have been able to mod regular CRTs to output RGB. Would it be possible to mod a black and white CRT to output colour?
>>3276735
>Would it be possible to mod a black and white CRT to output colour?
No.
>>3276735
>output
That is not the word you want
>>3276735
>Would it be possible to mod a black and white CRT to output colour?
Yes. But it's very very difficult, there will be also strong (color)flicker.
http://www.labguysworld.com/Goldmark1_001.htm
What setting would fix this sort of inward skewing that sort of looks like two inverted paranthesis ) ( on a Sony Wega service menu?
Street Fighter Zero 3 from a Saturn going out via RGB to a PVM-8044Q.
>>3276918
UPIN and LPIN I think.
Make sure you note the starting values before you go changing them.
>>3276918
>>3276981
Actually you might be better off with PAMP or a combination of all three.
Just note your settings beforehand and be methodical. It's not really that hard, just requires patience and logical thinking.
>>3276993
>SEXY
>>3277016
crt curves are sexy. dont try to fuck your crts its too dangerous.
Got another watchman at goodwill; this one's in color. Gotta say, the images aren't perfect, but for their size they can be pretty crisp and vivid. Clarity matters a lot less when playing on something smaller than 5 inches, but there's some fun and novelty in playing on something tiny. Very bad for Japanese kanji though.
Would post pictures but my phone camera doesn't accurately capture the image color and brightness.
>>3277086
post pics.
>>3275432
Grab a pic might be similar to my 35" mitsu
But focus should be on the flyback with h,v focus adjust and maybe gamma adjust
>>3277090
Here's the body of the Watchman. Seems it came out in 1994. These colors are mostly right, and I broke out the ol' photography lamp. Game boy added for size. Screen is ~5". Table is covered in stuff because I'm still recovering the room from an influx of goodwill finds. Disregard the dust on the table; it's chalk because the tabletop is a chalkboard.
>>3277315
The color on this image is not nearly correct. Everything is a lot brighter in real life and no matter my iso, white balance, and color settings I can't really bring out the color. Some of the blurriness is the potato camera, the shot distance, and the fact that this thing's best input is composite.
If anybody cares I can post pictures of another game, but I'm sure you don't. The main appeal is that you can put these just about anywhere and connect a game system to it and it has a charming look. Not so charming if your eyesight isn't good or you're trying to read text.
>>3277328
Super rad, I've actually been on the lookout for a 5-8" color TV, but I've only found B&W ones thus far.
neat, post Super Mario World next
I have a 5" PVM but it kind of defeats the purpose to have a "small" tv when it's still like a foot deep. Yours seems to have a much more practical footprint.
>>3276945
Nice! I have a 8042Q and it looks great on RGB. Here's Saturn outrun running on mine
>>3277347
If this unit is anything to go by, later color watchmans have a composite video and mono audio rca input like this one.
My older mega watchman FD-500 only has a 3.5 mm minijack external antenna input that can be used with a F-type coaxial to 3.5mm adapter for use with an RF modulator. And someone told me that you can mod the unit for composite input, which I'm still on the fence for doing. Older (especially handheld with 1"-2" screen) watchmans might lack even the ext ant input and might require jury rigging the coaxial cable directly to the antenna, though I'm not sure how well this works.
Short of actually connecting a DVD player with anime to the unit I chose to look at a Saturn game's animated FMV. Due to sizeand let's face it, PVM this is notand accuracy the compression artifacting that plagues Saturn videos is lessened.
>>3277375
Well, as far as I'm concerned you can do no wrong looking out for later models of the Mega Watchman or the Color Watchman. I had a chance to get another old panasonic B/W portable TV, but there was no power adapter to test it.
>>3277409
Well, I know if I ever found one I'd jump for a 5" PVM no matter the length. This TV is nice for what it is, but you can be the judge on how it probably doesn't compare to a pro monitor. Of course keeping in mind that these pictures aren't exactly what I'm seeing. Barring having your face inches from the screen, it's not that noticeable.
>>3277328
What is is that? Is that UNO DX?
XM29 pops up on ebay for 199 then suddenly it's 700 with 4 days to go still. The same person bid twice in a row. What a joke, This shit isnt worth it anymore. How many of you have actually paid these ridiculous prices for monitors? Who are these people? I can't justify spending more than 200, after all it's really just an old ass CRT. The difference between a consumer trinitron and RGB monitors can't be that good for these prices.
>>3277612
>>3277612
Shopping for these on ebay is a lost cause, just like buying actual cartridges and discs, at this point you're dealing with people who have wised up to the fact that these things are in demand and competing with people who have a large amount of disposable income on auctions. Your best bet is to follow the CRT hunting guide in the OP.
>>3277551
Yeah, it is. There's both a Saturn and PS version, but I generally only collect import Saturn stuff. You probably won't find it for a good price from a US source (read: ebay). This one was imported with a lot of other games from Surugaya.
>>3277634
>This one was imported with a lot of other games from Surugaya.
Do you need a proxy service to get stuff from that place?
>>3277612
>fox and grapes
>>3277691
Depends. If you aren't buying any items rated 18+ then you will be given the option to use paypal so you can purchase the items directly if you already have a paypal account. If there is 18+ stuff the option is disabled but your credit card may work still. I have a bank debit card backed by Visa that worked on the site (despite the site saying it actually doesn't accept foreign issue cards, which I only used because I was frustrated at the time as that note was only made on the final page where you enter the card info, and just wanted to go for it), but that's probably going to depend on your brand of credit card and possibly how your bank likes to handle credit card transfers.
If you manage to buy it directly on your own, then you have to ship it to a forwarding company in japan since surugaya doesn't do overseas shipment. If you can't get payment through, then you should go through a proxy service and have them take care of everything.
The /a/ and /a/ offshoot boards's buyfag guide lists proxy and forwarding services. Not all proxy services offer forwarding.
If you're not familiar:
http://www.buyfags.moe/Special_services
>>3277612
I've paid those prices. They are the market rate, for people with more money than time.
The XM29 is a rare monitor, highly sought-after, and rarely appears on marketplaces that are widely searchable by the public.
If people are paying those prices, that is the very definition of market rate.
>mfw neetcucks priced out of the market
>>3277542
Scratches are on the plastic scratch-plate, not the actual surface of the tube.
>>3277542
>>3277775
Mario's in focus, rest is not. I think the scratch-guard is messing with the auto-focus. It looks a lot better in real life, I don't know shit about photography. The blown-out-ness is just from the camera.
Oh and I was wrong, this thing is actually 14" long. It ends up being the same depth as my 8"s (and almost as long as my 9") so it doesn't actually gain me any useful desk space.
They are around... if you're willing to pay ebay prices. I got mine for about $80, looks like the ones on there right now are either asking ridiculous prices or wanting you to buy three at once. I wouldn't really expect something like a modern-ish 5" PVM to pop up at a thrift store, could be wrong though.
Mine actually came inside a carrying case, which was sort of a positive thing for me on the listing - seemed more likely it was only used for the occasional location shoot and not left running 24/7 like some of the picture monitors you find.
Interestingly, that model you posted (5bx5) still seems to be going for about $50 and up (sold listings) on ebay. Only current listing is asking $110. If I could find a good price, I'd pick one up too. Would be a real neat workbench tv for old skate videos.
Anyone in the GTA have a multiformat?
I'll pay good money for one.
>>3277832
>>3277775
As you could see from the pictures, the 5bx5 isn't as sharp as a pvm (gee, I wonder why) but I like mine so far but obviously not for $110.
That said, I kinda really like those 3 pvm 5041qs in a rackmount. I have oscilloscopes that are about that length and I really like the A/V geek vibes rackmount equipment gives off. Perfect for that crowded electronics room aesthetic.
There is literally nothing video games about this thread.
You're talking about TELEVISIONS.
Go to /g/.
>>3277901
Fuck off, these threads have been on this board longer than you probably have.
>>3277901
televisions are important for playing video games
>>3277872
Yeah, I dig the rackmount aesthetic too. The thing that worries me though is that usually those multiple monitor kind of setups just scream "security cam" or "camera monitor" etc, the environments that are most likely to just leave them on 2000-8000 hours a year until they get blown out.
That one with the hood on it looks a bit more promising, except for that silly price. It's "or best offer", but <i>still</i>.
If you check out the "sold" listings, you can see that they pop up every ~2 weeks or so at reasonable prices ($90-ish shipped). Most of those too have the carrying case, so you've got a reasonable expectation they weren't used too much. The scratches on my scratch-guard are slightly annoying, but it's great knowing that I can take it off if I want and the actual tube is pristine. Like most things sony, I'm guessing I can buy a new cover for it too (if I want to spend as much as I did for the monitor).
PVM-8044Q and PVM-8045Q (8") are a bit more common, so they're cheaper, and are sharp as hell at 450 TVL. (The 5041Q has 250). They also come with S-video inputs, for better quality from unmodded N64s or you don't feel like shelling out for scart cables + Scart -> BNC adapters.
I picked up a BVM-D9H5U, but I kind of meme'd myself - at 9" there's not much of a difference between the interlaced and progressive scan modes, and I'm gonna have to shell out $88 to get a 4:3 mask if I want to get the full screen area.
Heads up for anyone in the San Antonia area. I'd say it's a fair price for a monitor this size.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-3230-32-Professional-Video-Monitor-Retro-Gaming-RGB-Trinitron-CRT-/222145754349?hash=item33b8eb34ed:g:vcMAAOSwLnBXV5~y
Is there any difference between flat and curved screen CRTs?
>>3278146
Flat screen have geometry issues that curved screens should not, and as such, you should try to find the latter, although they're less likely to have component inputs.
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/ele/5615032669.html
NEC XV-2930. I don't believe these can do 15khz over RGB, and their composite input is probably line doubled. Nice as a large 480p monitor.
This thing is listed on craigslist near me, anyone ever seen one like this? I've never heard of it or the manufacturer, Sampo. At first it looked like an HD set or some budget shitbox but looking at the inputs on the back, I'm not so sure. Some searching online reveals that this multimedia monitor line mainly comprises presentation monitors, though this one looks like a consumer set. I found a manual online that has a list of supported resolutions in the back - it did list 720p/1080i, which makes me think it's an HDTV, though it also lists a bunch of different 640x480 resolutions - maybe it's a multiscan and one of those is 480i, thus meaning it can support 240p?
>>3278198
Sanyo
Only way to know is to test 240p composite if you see scanlines.
I'm not particularly tech-savvy so I'm hoping you guys can help me here.
My mom's Sony Trinitron Wega KV-34HS420N appeared to die the other day. When we tried to turn it on the Stand By/Timer light blinked 7-8 times and it wouldn't turn on. Already tried unplugging and replugging it, cleaning the dust off, and making sure it has proper ventilation space but it still won't turn on. Is it ded?
>>3277527
>>3277328
>shadowmask
>>3278552
Slot/shadowmasks are my favorite. I don't know what's going on in that guy's tv, as the cell resolution is really tiny.
Lads, I found a PVM-20M2MDU for $200 on Craigslist. I'm a bit new to the CRT thing, so would you say this price is worth it assuming it's in good condition?
>>3277858
Me too friend. Gta is a nightmare to find good pvms
How do you tell a good video switch from a bad one? Going to buy one soon.
Okay, some more things about the sampo. According to the manual, only one of its two component inputs and it's VGA support progressive scan signals. This would imply that the rest are 480i I guess...? Also, pic related is from the manual - the RGB is at 31khz since it's meant for plugging in a computer, but everything else is 15khz. If it's 15khz that means it's definitely 480i, right?
It's an hour away from where I live which is why I want to be reasonably sure before I drive out, if it was nearer I'd just haul along something with S-Video and test it. If it does support native 480i/240p as well as 480p+ it'll be an amazing find for everything up to sixth gen consoles.
>>3278964
Forgot pic
>>3277901
>poor emukiddie detected
And you should fuck off to the emulation general on /vg/ because theirs nothing retro about it.
>>3278540
It's repairable if you feel alright working around the insides of CRTs.
If I'm remembering correctly, it's an issue with high voltage regulation. If you do manage to get it to turn back on(not entirely unlikely if you leave it sit for a while), and display video on it, bright scenes will cause the width of the picture to vary wildly.
I was actually having the same issue on my 27hs420. I never got around to opening it up to fix it properly, but leaving it sit, unplugged for a few months seemed to make the issue go away, and I don't use it often enough for it to be that high of priority.
>>3279039
So basically just leave it be for a while? Good to know. My mom took it as a sign to finally drop money on a LCD but I might take it if it starts working again since widescreen PS2 and Wii games look really good on it.
>>3278198
>>3278964
>>3278965
Looks like a nice set which flies under the PVM radar, I'd jump on it. What size, 29"?
>>3278283
>Sanyo
No, Sampo. They made quite a few CRTs back in the 80s and 90s. OEM'd for Dell at one point.
>>3279214
29" or 32" is what I'm getting from the manual, I emailed the seller asking if they can check the model number for me. I've legitimately never heard of Sampo, from the looks of it outside of these semi-professional grade displays they mostly made TVs for continental east asia. They don't even seem to have an english website.
>>3279242
How much are they asking out of interest?
Don't worry I'm yurop so won't be sniping hehe.
>>3279403
$45. I'm gonna go for it.
My CRT only has coaxial. That means it can only be mono, right?
Should I like buy a seperate stereo?
>>3278540
>KV-34HS420N
>HS
Don't bother
>>3279471
Buy a new CRT first
>>3279471
Nah it can be stereo but if that's all it has, it probably is mono. Easiest way to plug multiple things is the old fashioned way, get an old VCR and use it to route your consoles through. But seriously if it's coax only get another.
Can anyone identify this model? Saw it on Craigslist
>>3279483
It's decent for 480p+ Component sources, and for video/television viewing.
>>3279515
"It's a Sony"
Contact the person who listed it and just ask them; Should be a sticker on the back that has it.
That said, mid 90s Trinitron, composite video, probably s-video. Somewhere in the 30 or so inch range, given the remote and Sony emblem size in comparison to the tube.
>>3275438
simple but good. is it S-video or component cables?
>>3279659
If it has some sentimental value, by all means, hold onto it (I held onto an old 80s trinitron XBR for several years even though it only had composite because it was identical to a set my grandparents had) but you'll probably want something better to play your games on.
Does anyone else own a Samsung GX?
It only has composite and coaxail input but the composite is pretty damn good IMO.
>>3279703
I was actually going to buy one of these on my local craigslist but the dude never responded to me.
>>3279703
I've often wondered if it would be possible to modify for S-Video or RGB input, but it is a neat little thing all on its own.
>>3279659
if you are using a vcr to convert rca composite to coaxial you can hook up the audio to a receiver and speakers. Just make sure the source is stereo.
Can anyone here recommend a set of speakers and an headphone amp? Preferably total cost under $100, $150ish max.
I have a fiio e6 and a bunch of /g/csg iems (piston 3, KZ ATE S, rock zircons) but they all sound like they're at 90" separation on each side or more.
Post setups
These threads are like porn holy shit.
>>3279912
Nice. Replace the gamecube with a genesis and thats almost perfect.
>>3279923
Gamecube is pretty much just there for show. I play all my gamecube games on the Wii over Component, though the GC does have very good S-video output.
The PS1 is probably getting replaced by a Fat PS2 soon, unless anyone can convince me that there is a reason not to.
Currently looking for a model 1 or 2 genesis, undecided on which one I want really, and I need to get some video switches soon.
>>3279926
If you want to use the gamecube for something other than show you could get a gameboy player and then some homebrew that replaces the normal GBP software (meaning you don't have to track down the expensive disc) and allows it to output 240p, also making it much brighter. Only problem is is that silver GBPs aren't easy to find if you want them to match.
>>3279929
Yeah, I'd prefer a purple or Spice (Orange) gamecube with matching player, though I know the Spice ones are japan only. I do have a Spice controller though.
I need some help guys.
So I sent this guy a message about a PVM-2530 on Craigslist, dude is located in Sunrise, FL and I'm in Tampa. It looked like it was in decent condition and I plan on testing geometry and shit when I get there but these things pop up so rarely in my area that driving ~8 hours total actually sounds worth it for muh scanlines.
I sent him an email and first I got a bounce, undeliverable message.
Here's the email exchange:
"Hi. When would you be able to come pick it up for $240?
-----Original Message-----
From:[email protected] <[email protected]>
To: randomnumber <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2016 10:46 pm
Subject: PVM for sale on Craigslist
Hi,
I'm interested in the PVM you have on CL:I sent an email a day ago but I got an undeliverable message so I'm trying again.
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ele/5618342724.html
Is there any way you can hold it for me until next weekend? I live in Dunedin (near Tampa) and it's a bit of a drive to pick it up (3 hrs 45mins).
Thanks,
Anon"
Now the listing is down.
I've been burnt on CL before so I'm sketched the fuck out with the undeliverable and now the guy taking the posting down. His message was pretty damn short and unpersonable as well - I'm not going to drive ~4 hours to get fucking mugged.
Should I abort or am I being too paranoid? If this was local I'd bring a friend but nobody's willing to drive the arduous 8 hour roundtrip with me.
Also I'm kicking myself because I didn't download any of the pictures on the posting.
Guys I found a guy locally who has a JVC with RGB on it....it looks like a 13".
Should I go for it? He wants $120 for it.
>>3279515
get it
It looks like it's in good condition but those motherfuckers are heavy as fuck.
Has anybody here taken the OLED plunge?
I've seen a couple smaller Sony Tri-Sync displays selling on ebay for $1200ish. I'm not sure if they take RGB inputs but there's definitely BNC on the back of them.
I guess you could always do Framemeister passthru as well and just go HDMI, it would probably look like balls though.
>>3279942
Are they not emailing you back? I would try talking them down from 240 since would be driving so far.
>>3279975
I'm going to see if he'll do $180 for driving this weekend, it's literally all I can spare until my next paycheck.
This RGB shit get's expensive....totally worth it though
>>3279946
if it's a multiformat i'd pay $120 no question asked, as long as screen scratches/burn in/case damage are only very mild to non-existent.
if it's 15khz only I'd talk him down to $100. Give it two tries, and if he still won't budge I *might* pay $120 if it's modern-ish (>1996, RGBs/YPbPr, >=640 TVL) and in good condition phosphor/scratches wise).
*By /crt/ standards I'm a richfag with more money than time. Lotsa neetcucks on here who'll say "$40 tops", neglecting to value their labor hours (because they are fucking worthless).
>>3280001
>>3280001
Well, correction: if it's 15khz-only I'd talk him down to $100 or less (That price includes shipping/ value of your time + gas it takes to get to him).
For a mint, high TVL 13" 480i, I find $100 reasonable, but that drops depending on what's "wrong" with it. For a "low" TVL (<= 450), slight scratches, burn in, or lacking all four input options (composite, S-video, component, RGBs), <=$50 is a lot more reasonable.
The least I've paid for a 13"-ish-class is $50 (no burn in, case damage, or tube scratches but composite and RGBs only. was not feeling rushed because it was my seventh PVM/BVM etc), and the most I've paid is $240 (multiscan, all four major inputs, slight burn-in. was in a hurry because I wanted it NOW).
Depending on your /vr/ system, consumer 480i trinitrons with s-video can get pretty close in terms of quality for /vr/ stuff. The difference is really only night-and-day when comparing color depth, non /vr/ + dreamcast, or 480p+ consumer sets (lag city)
t. rich wagecuck
>>3280001
How do I know if it's multi-format?
I'm going to have it tested when I get there, the guy's already sold me a decent D9H5U for $155 (it's 16:9 though unfortunately, going to use it as a desktop monitor if I can find one of those stupid 4:3 faceplates)
Can I use one of those little converter pieces (RCA female to BNC male) to at least test it with dogshit composite?
>>3280081
thanks for the info
>>3274181
>converting a 480i signal that has been converted from a 240p source
>adding even more input lag
>in a fighting game no less
literally autism
>>3275483
>produce fuzzy scanlines that interfere with the art of the game
They don't you retard
Scanlines are blank lines that don't at all interfere with the original image
A CRT's phosphor is typically optimized for 480i
When a CRT displays 240p instead of upscaling it it instead just skips every 2nd line on the display resulting in a sharp unscaled image with no loss of information
>>3277761
Please don't spoonfeed next time.
I got shafted on the $50 PVM and then this shows up 20 minutes from me for $150
Is it impossible to get a cheap PVM anymore?
>>3280140
>article from 2006
>"yeah you can find these RGB monitors for a few bucks at thrift stores"
fuck
Looking to replace a KV-27fs120 with unfixable geometry issues. I have two possibilities nearby:
>KV-32XBR100
$50
>KV-32XBR250
$70
Need something that has an interlaced signal for light gun games and good picture quality for my systems (and laserdiscs).
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
>>3280142
yes the before times but thats an exaggeration. 50 dollar monitors still show up once in a while.
>>3280153
That Linytron is amazing...
>>3280164
Thanks. My friend picked it up for me at some thrift shop in long beach, California for $20.
I have it hooked up as my second monitor through composite by means of an HDMI to SD adapter. It's great for playing old tv shows while doing work.
>>3279515
my grandma has this model and to be honest the image is blurry af. Maybe ask the dude for a pic where the TV is turned on, showing the menu screen to see its sharpness.
>>3280124
This isn't a buyfag thread, nor is it a direct /a/ offshoot board. Nor is that information well documented in the guide. Most of the post is a personal account of how it worked out for me, and the fact that my own credit card did work is not something the guide covers.
I also posted the fucking guide.
>>3280153
Ah, Sharp and their swag red colored electronics equipment. I need to see if they have more of those besides that really sought after boombox.
>>3280243
There's this, the Sharp X1.
>>3279972
>Over a grand
>To play upscaled 240p games
Autism
>>3280306
I would concur, at that point just get an XRGB Mini and play it with any old consumer flat panel. If you don't like LCD plasmas are very cheap second hand and generally quite nice.
>>3280258
sexy as fux with that plexiglass.
So I've finally found a half-decent VGA CRT on Craigslist. It's a KDS AV-7TF with an FD Trinitron tube. Should I go for it? Any particular quirks or disadvantages from a flat CRT that I may not be aware of?
>>3280319
Why did they use to put plexiglass on old monitors anyway, to stop people from touching the screen?
Pvm-9041qm. Is this a pal monitor? If so is there any reason an American shouldn't buy one? Also what's considered a decent price
>>3280698
>KDS AV-7TF
>only 17", get out with that shit
>>3281190
Nothing wrong with 17"
It's the display aspect ratio of that monitor which concerns me
>>3280812
Protect from scratches. It kind of adds glare but some people like how the plexi makes the image look.
>>3280153
>KV-32XBR250
Hi-Scan. Avoid.
>>3275869
They got stumped
>>3281232
Its 4:3
most likely 70Khz so
1440x1080 @60 Hz or lower all the way down to 240P at 120Hz (if youre hooked up to a pc)
>>3281326
XBR is just a generic name for Sony's highest end consumer models, going back to the 80s. Only the ones made after 2000 are HD.
>>3281326
It isnt HD
>>3281179
Anyone?
>>3275281
There is no such thing as a good cheap Scart switch. If it's less than $100 that means it's shit.
>>3281643
Ffs thank you. That's what I was thinking but wasn't sure. Tried looking up specifics on that but I couldn't find anything on it.
>>3281713
The user manual should mention which formats are supported. And also whether it works with 110 V.
How often is it safe to manually degauss a PVM? I have some discoloration that I haven't been able to fix, so I want to just leave it on all day and degauss it frequently throughout the day to see if that helps, but I don't want to damage it, so how long should I wait between degaussing?
what kind of brand is APEX?
What price is good for a JVC TM-H1900G monitor? It seems to only support composite and s-video, which I don't have a problem with since I already have a monitor that can do component/RGB. I'm just not sure if it's worth getting as a spare/backup or not.
Is Sharp a good brand or is it a "bargain brand"?
>>3281938
Good.
>>3281938
All Japanese manufacturers (Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, JVC, Pioneer, Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and any others I'm forgetting are good because superior Nipponese manufacturing or something. The major American and European manufacturers (Philips, Grundig, Zenith, GE, Magnavox, and RCA) were once good but anything with their logo on it made after the year 2000 around when they all were bought up by Chinese firms you should be weary of. Some east asian (i.e. Taiwanese or South Korean) are good, like Samsung or LG. Avoid budget brands (Orion, Daewoo, Memorex, etc.) like the plague. Also don't touch anything with a built in VCR/DVD player.
>>3281840
shit
>>3278669
No. Get a consumer CRT for 20 dollars and save yourself the trouble.
how 2 check running hours on ikegami
I posted this a while ago but no one replied, posting again just incase.
I got an NTSC SNES a while ago, but I can't get a clean video signal on any monitor, (yes I've tested it on multiple). I would like to think it's just a bad AV lead, but the audio signal is fine which makes me think it may have something to do with the console itself. Heres a video of it on a Trinitron CRT. Any anons experience this before, or know whether or not it is just an AV problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMTZsT-DmqA
Left you alone most of last thread, quick 1 pic update. Finally starting to tweak the Toshiba 27A42 consumer set; I've added RGB inputs and I'm working on convergence next.
Also grabbed Custom Robo V2.
Someone asked last thread if they were playable injapanese; the answer is 'yes'. Just say yes to everything or no if you get stuck in a loop (はい is yes; いいえ is no). Hit start in the robo customization screen to test your weapons and shit. Very playable, and I cannot read any kanji and read katakana only with a chart next to me (I can handle hiragana without a chart but very slowly so I don't bother). I fucking love these games. And they're both REALLY cheap - I got 1 for $10 and V2 for $15. They go cheaper on amazon, but I found them in a local shop so fuck yeah I was going to buy them.
>>3282923
yeah, I had an apex 20" years ago. It was the family set. It was pretty good, I just remember it had a LOT of overscan by default and was unfortunately a flatscreen.
>>3282952
BTW as to not mislead this is s-video as I've still not done any tweaking on my N64.
>>3282857
That's weird. I wish I could help but I've never used a PAL TV.
Have you tried it on other CRT's/LCD's? If flatscreens are showing the same issue then it's the SNES. Otherwise I blame the TV or a really horrible cable.
>>3282973
>didn't reat thoroughly
Sorry. You'd tested multiple.
Yes, it's possible it's the cable. If it's not it's probably the oscillator supplying the NTSC subcarrier frequency to the video encoder or it's the video encoder itself.
>>3282973
Yeah I've tried it on a different CRT and a HDTV. The video signal is always noisy. It's definitely not the monitor. I might upload a video of how it looks on a HDTV later, to show how it looks, because the horrible flickering only happens on the trinitron.
The only other thing that may be causing it is the shitty step down converter i'm using. I don't know exactly how the signal frequency is being received; it's an NTSC 60Hz power cable being converted by a 50Hz converter, displayed on a 50 Hz screen.
>>3282986
you can just use a normal wall-wart with swappable tips, you know. I forget what type the barrel connector on a US SNES is, but they are available. Also if it's a super famicom, you can just use the euro SNES wall adapter. anything outputting between 7 and 12 volts (though 7.5 is slightly safer due to the manufacturing tolerance on the 7805 regulator) should work too, if I remember correctly. If 7.5 gets you audio issues move to 9 volts. I forget which console it was, but one of them needed higher voltage for the audio chip.
Anyway my point is that the step down transformer is extreme overkill. If it's a super famicom a genesis power adapter works too.
>>3283010
just looked it up, it's apparently "power tip R" (and I know swappable tips exist because I have two),
>>3283025
Here ya go. http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/power-tip-connector-r-ar28f
>>3283045
>leaves people alone
>posts when he comes back
>>3283031
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this. I had a feeling the converter was unnecessary.
>>3282857
I thought that NTSC composite wouldn't work on PAL TVs? RGB should, though.
>>3283256
some 90's CRT's aren't compatable with NTSC AV cables yes.
>>3283317
Not exactly /vr/ but why the hell do electronics companies decide to remove features from products as they make newer model revisions?Older onkyo receivers nr717 on up had passthrough of all component resolutions to HDMI. When you get to the x2x series it isnt until the nr929 that this feature is existant.
>>3283571
The point behind this is I want the option to connect to my CRTs when im playing solo but my big flatscreen for co-op or multiplayer splitscreen
old CRT bit the dust. took it to some local mechanic who charged me 55 dollars to open it up and tell me the power transformer blew up and there's nothing to do about it.
got a 25'' Sharp circa 2000 from some guy 20 miles away. pretty good except it's got some convergence issues I think
(screen simulation attached)
Testing out my pvm. Pretty sure some things with it are fucked and I want some advice on what exactly is fucked and what it should look like when it's unfucked. Pic related is linearity.
>>3283821
And here is the test grid pattern. 256x224
Also, the whining is way louder than any other crt i've ever owned, so im pretty sure there's something in it that needs fixing as well. The flickering on 480i is pretty bad too, dont know if that's normal or not.
>>3283828
Just go in the menus and adjust the geometry
>>3283830
Alright. What should I be aiming for with the grid pattern? Should the red squares be visible?
>>3283847
You want them to all be the same size and all red squares fitting within the screen.
>>3283847
straighten the lines
although what you have there doesn't actually look that bad so adjusting it as a noob you might just make it worse
>>3283874
Yeah, there's a tv repair place around me so I was just gonna maybe take it there. I don't want to fuck anything up, and maybe they can figure out out why the fuck the whining is so loud.
>>3283963
I have a Sharp 25N-S100
is there a firmware capability for me to adjust geometry or do I have to open it up and rotate the magnet things with white paint on them
So I caved and got a Sony PVM off eBay for a decent price (~180$). I'm kind of a noob and don't know how to hook it up to my ps1. none of the plug sockets on the back will take the red yellow and white leads. Is there an adapter or something i need?
Heads up for anyone in western New York, there's a production company in Buffalo selling a bunch of surplus, including three RGB monitors, one from Sony, one from Panasonic, and one from JVC. $75 each.
http://buffalo.craigslist.org/ele/5614244235.html
I'd go for them but I'm all the way over in Ithaca and don't feel like making a six hour round trip for them.
>>3283985
>using yellow RCA for video
PS1 natively supports S-Video go do it
>>3283986
>>3272607
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model.
1- Gib Model Number
2- They're BNC connectors and require a passive adapter to be used with RCA cables, let alone most monitors being mono audio only. Outside solutions for audio are always going to be the better choice
3-It's a PVM, don't waste it on just using composite unless that's the best the system in question can do.
4-Don't you think it would have been prudent in actually reading up one what you were buying rather than just jumping in with wild abandon?
>>3283821
"convergence" - red and blue separation. generally requires removing the set's cover and fucking with the rings and/or the yoke. Make sure you mark where the rings original settings are because it's easier to make this worse.
"geometry", "v linearity" -
The top circles are stretched vertically while the bottom ones are not. You might need to adjust the yoke, not sure. Never seen this before IRL.
Minor:
Also you need to change the H Raster and V Raster size and center settings. On my PVM these are in the service menu. I press 'menu' once, then hold 'enter' and press 'degauss' to enter the service menu.
Got my first PVM today, a PVM-1343MD. How'd I do senpai? Scart cables and BNC>RCA converters are in the mail...
>>3284093
How do you guy project a test pattern onto the CRT?
>>3284097
Google "240p test suite"
>>3284093
>13''
how much did you pay for this tiny thing, baldy?
>>3284105
thanks
>>3284093
>Scart cables
Do not fall for the scart meme.
Whenever there's a bright area on-screen on my TV, like a white text-box, the other parts of the screen get darker. What's causing that and how can I fix it?
