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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
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What is stopping me from using a Makvision tri mode arcade monitor for consoles?
VM-MV_29TRI
CRT Size 29" (27V) Flat Dot Pitch 0.79mm
Video Input Analog 0.7VPP (75Ù)/TTL 2.5-5.0VPP (2KÙ)
Sync Input TTL Level Positive/Negative/Separate or Composite
H-Frequency 15/24/31KHz
V-Frequency 47-70Hz
Bandwidth 65MHz
Resolution 640 x 480 max
Power Supply 100-240VAC 50/60Hz
Power Consumption 120W
Signal Connector 15-pin D-sub male connector
Weight 103 lbs
>>3136468
>Makvision tri mode arcade monitor
about 900 bucks
Anon with the hot BVM here
i rigged something up
heh.
>>3136472
I found them for ~$600. Aside from cost it will work though? pop a gonbes board in the fabbed enclosure and have line doubling built in for 240p?
>>3136475
I just had one of those spit out smoke because it was plugged into my motherboard yesterday, and it did not like when that thing POSTs.
>>3136479
i just watched a guy on youtube playing the mortal combat pcb on it. If it'll play that any 240p rgb signal will work on it. You won't be able to connect non-rgb signals to it though (composite/s-video)
>>3136479
It's 15Khz so it should natively do 240p
>>3131976
resistors came in and i, of course, forgot all my scart cables.
at least these cute little fuckers are ready to be installed once my forgetfulness forgets to be so forgetful.
>>3136497
most likely will have to be shipped via freight
fedex only does up to 75lb iirc
besides a pallet is by and far the best way to ship CRTs
>>3135836
>I hit the degausse button and everything went to shit. Discoloration is back ;_;
Does your magnet still work after that? Maybe it wasn't a permanent magnet.
>>3136501
$709.98 to my door in Alaska, I think this is the way to go for me.
>>3136516
what are you going to mount it in etc?
>>3136520
probably make a flocked mdf box like a pa or car sub enclosure with some handles and a door/cover for the front. a t molded, vinyl covered arcade cab looking case with a marquee would be super rad though.
I am just going to use it as a video game console monitor and a tv for movies.
so I meticulously adjusted the service menu options on my pvm for use with my snes, but then noticed my genesis picture was way off to the right, same with my pc engine and playstation. so i'm stuck with some in-between mode where each system looks good but not perfect. anyone else suffer from this problem?
>>3136506
Oh no I didn't leave the magnet on when I hit degausse. I just waved it around the back of the tube, saw what I thought was the best I'd get and then removed it.
Afterwards I thought what the hell I'll hit degausse and then fuck
How's this look to you, mates?
>>3136556
you know about letterboxing or pan and scan, right friend?
>>3136559
no
you have to tape it to the tube
btw monitors auto degauss every time theyre turned on
>>3136580
Did you see the picture I posted? There's a anti magnetism protector on it that makes it hard for me to even reach the tube.
>>3136542
each console has it's own sync peculiarities leading to different horizontal position.
>>3136572
emulated.
>>3136608
Great guess, but why exactly? Are the scanlines too thick? I zoomed my CRT out a bit since that picture.
>>3136614
Are you using a pc CRT? 240p@120Hz?
>>3136626
Yep, exactly. My guess is that 22'' is just TOO big and the scanlines are just too far apart for this size of monitor. It still looks much better than 480p with a scanline filter though.
>>3136614
very little blooming and pixel are perfectly defined, the transition from one to another is extremely sharp
>>3136629
It's not a problem with your emulator etc. (well line thickness-wise. The sharpness of a PC CRT is unavoidable. Unless like I guess a shader/filter could reduce it but good luck with that heh.
>>3136637
Mine may be a particularily bad case with 0.24mm dot pitch.
Does anyone here have one of those little 8" PVMs with RGB input?
I might be living on the road for a while and my 14" is too big to take with me if I end up doing so. I'd be sitting right up close to it, so I don't think size'd be too much of an issue.
>>3136575
Yes I know plenty about letterboxing. Have fun with that :)
As for pan and scan...
>vomiting_dudebro.jpg
Different anon reporting in
Here's another example of 31khz 240p
>>3136714
>>3136656
14" is probably the sweet spot, the 8" is really much too small
>>3136717
>>3136696
letterbox isn't too bad, I have a living room for most movie use anyways, kids mainly watch movies in the loft where this will be going.
>>3136723
can 14"ers be powered on 12v ?
>>3136758
not without some sort of converter or something, not sure how he is powering it desu. My suv has a 120v plug but at 10A or something so not sure if it would even be enough for a pvm, a laptop or something maybe.
>>3136656
I've got one, and yeah it's small but if you're going to be living on the road for a while then it's a good size.
I'd get one that has the 'HR Trinitron' moniker if you can as those have a higher line count.
>>3136758
seems the 8" can be powered with 12v though
http://users.rowan.edu/~winkler/equipindex/manuals/Sony%20PVM5041QSeriesBrochure.pdf
>>3136843
why does he need a hr trinitron for his shitty vehicle?
yknow i dont think yokes are made to put up with constant vibrations too well
>>3136858
Yeah I know, I want to get a 8" eventualy.
Currently have a pvm-2030 which is working fine. Now the person who I bought it from has a 20m2 up for sale. Is there any significant difference in quality between the two to justify a 5 hour round trip though LA to get it?
>>3137008
not in my opinion
looks like the pvm has 40 more TVL
you probably wouldnt notice a difference
besides 2030 has aesthetic
>>3136614
Way too sharp.
>>3137097
There's a bigger difference than that, and it is noticeable, but it's nothing massive.
You would get the benefit of having a service menu, a newer tube, and support for YPbPr; whether that's worth a 5 hour drive and how ever much it costs is a decision you have to make for yourself.
I just found an Advent Q1435A on CL. Manufactured January 2003. I haven't owned a CRT in years and the picture looks great on it, but the whine is killing me.
I read some places that an aging or a misaligned flyback transformer could cause the 15.625 kHz noise to be amplified. Is there a safe way to look inside it or should I just try to deal with the noise?
>>3136629
17 inch monitors or older monitors with larger dot pitch probably have less gaps.
>>3136614
It needs some slight horizontal blur to simulate a slower RAMDAC. Your PC's video card outputs much sharper images than most real hardware could do
>>3135836
>hit degauss, now impurity is back.
That's why you need to actually fix it at the source by aligning the yoke. Alternatively, put it on a swiveling pedestal and turn it on - mark a point on the pedestal as your starting point and rotate the monitor until the impurity goes away. Use a protractor to find how far you had to rotate it. From now on, every time you turn it on, have it rotated off-center by that amount, wait for the degauss to finish, and then rotate it back to center.
That's a shitty fix but I used it until I grew a pair and decided to fix the problem properly on my Apple monitor.
>>3137159
This is kind of related to the other anon's issue
but how many of your CRTs have or had purity/convergence issues? and if so were they shipped or picked up by you?
it seems to be very common
Literally nothing video games about this.
You're talking about televisions. Go to /g/
>>3137543
>displays aren't a part of video gaming
>>3137507
This happens over time and is super common especially with consumer sets anon
>>3137556
so even a NIB crt could have purity issues?
>go to charity thrift store
>they have a bunch of RGB trinitron TVs
>see a cute little 8" one that would be easy to move around for social gatherings
>no price sticker
>"sorry, we have to send it to the back room to be re-processed since it has no sticker. It should be back on the shelf tomorrow
>mfw
![flat,1000x1000,075,f.u1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HpDE81a.jpg "flat,1000x1000,075,f.u1[1].jpg")
>>3137662
>social gatherings
>>3137701
>not having retro video game parties
![airport-smash[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kmcjJsV.jpg "airport-smash[1].jpg")
>>3137723
>8 inch crt
>parties
pic related and the concept of hipster parties made me puke a little
>>3137740
Why does he need something "nicer" for his hobo van? its going to take a good amount of abuse in there he doesnt need to be ruining 'nicer' pvms
RIP sony trinitron
>>3137758
monster weighed over 200lbs
>>3137507
Mine picked it up after a long car ride dislodged the yoke.
An older set my family used to have (forget the model) had it due to a speaker cabinet too close by, I think it slowly magnetized the shadow mask.
Treat 'em right and you'll be okay, though.
>>3137762
Maybe it's the size of my phone but I don't see the issue besides a bad camera.
>>3137662
I'm curious, where is the store? (roughly, if you're afraid of someone else getting there first.)
>>3137543
>Bitching about this every thread when we post pictures of games on CRTs, which is clearly not game related at all
>>3136614
Too crisp, too shitty, too bright.
Stop trying to make LCDs do something they won't. Maybe if you had a 20" PC monitor with the DPI of a nexus 6 you could do it.
Also,for my personal taste those lines are too thin and the black areas between too fat.
Also, no convergence issues is a giveaway.
>>3137826
Whoops, apparently it is a PC CRT.
Should read the thread next time.
>>3137815
It's in Orange CT. About 15-20 minutes from where I live. I might go out and see if it's still there tomorrow. Like I said, they had a lot of Sony Trinitrons with YUV inputs and I don't think the smallest of them would be the first to go, but you never know. I already have a 20" one that I like quite a bit, and I was eying the small one because it seems like it'd be a nice thing to pull out of the closet and be able to move around the house easily.
One of the Trinitrons they have there is a Wega which I'm not terribly interested in, since everyone says that the "flat screen" CRTs are much more likely to have major geometry problems.
>>3137753
I wouldn't be playing Smash Bros on it. I already have a few TVs and I was thinking it would be a decent option to hook up one of the old Gen 3 systems to, since a lot of those games are single player.
I'm not pretentious enough to think Smash needs to be played on a CRT. I own the GC component cables and it looks much better on an LCD, not to mention it's a much better setup for multiplayer. I've yet to have a single person over who complained that we were playing Smash on my big TV instead of one of my CRTs.
>>3137819
I dunno, I'm coming to like the fact this guy posts that same comment religiously at the same time in each /crt/ thread.
>>3137758
>>3137762
>mfw I try to move mine
>it doesn't even have any indented slots to grasp my hands around
It's like it was designed to be dropped face-down on the floor. I should just go to Home Depot or U-Haul and see if I can get a big nylon strap to wrap around it.
>>3137507
The two monitors of mine with purity issues are:
14M2MDU
XC-3730c
The 14M2MDU got it from the ride home after picking it up from another anon in these threads; A turn taken slightly too sharp right after leaving their house is what I believe did it. Despite having it for a while, I have not gotten around to working on it.
The XC-3730c I BELIEVE came from it just being a massive bastard and the way it had to be moved. All I had to move the 220lb fucker was a small dolly probably rated for half of that(it absolutely destroyed the thing, I might add) and then getting it up to the attic.
This one I have attempted to degauss (in a rather dirty manner) which only moved the discoloration. This is the one I'm more interesting in fixing.
I've actually gotten around this problem with both monitors by placing a small boombox speaker near the discoloration and it has worked rather well for both. I do this after the power on degauss, and move them if I wish to degauss again after.
>>3138016
I'm in the US, and in the US RGB on a TV is always in the form of component cables. I probably misspoke but old habits die hard.
>>3138123
Yeah. Not the same thing at all.
I just received my Sony PVM-14M2U, and I love it to bits. One question though - how do I locate the menu that lists the number of hours of usage? I've seen photos of it before but I couldn't find it, is it only on certain models? I'm new to this pvm stuff. I still have to do some adjustments to the picture to get it truly correct
>>3138167
If I meant an RGB monitor or PVM I wouldn't have said "TV."
>>3138194
YUV, YPbPr, YCbCr =/= RGB
Different signal types.
>>3138212
This.
Not even slightly the same. Try feeding YPbPr into a sync-on-green PC monitor sometime if you feel otherwise (where you connect Y to 'G', Pb to 'B', and Pr to 'R').
>in the US RGB on a TV is always in the form of component cables
Not even the same color space. So wrong.
>>3137863
But the input lag:/ also I do like the look of smash on my bvm
>>3138181
That facility is only on BVMs m8
>>3138181
>I just received my Sony PVM-14M2U, and I love it to bits. One question though - how do I locate the menu that lists the number of hours of usage? I've seen photos of it before but I couldn't find it, is it only on certain models? I'm new to this pvm stuff. I still have to do some adjustments to the picture to get it truly correct
Only BVM's have the 'hours' logged, AFAICT. My 20L5 and 1944Q don't have that.
>What happen?
>Somebody set up us the bomb.
>We get signal.
>What!
>Main screen turn on.
>It's you!
>How are you gentlemen!!
>All your base are belong to us.
>You are on the way to destruction.
>What you say!!
>You have no chance to survive make your time.
>>3138181
P.S. you definitely need to crank your brightness way down. Maybe change the color temperature to 6500k, too.
>>3138227
Cool glasses, anon.
>>3138123
>>3138212
>>3138223
Lighten up guys. YPbPr cables are color-coded red green and blue, it's a common misconception that they carry RGB signals. Only hardcore enthusiasts know that its sync + luma and the difference of blue and sync and red and sync (goddammit I'm not even sure that's right.)
And technically RGB signals are always sent over component cables, since any video split into two or more components is considered component video. While RGB and s-video are technically component video, in common parlance "component" became a catch-all for YPbPr signals only
>>3138256
Only anyone who realizes you can't carry four discrete signals (red, green, blue, sync) over three wires without doing some magic, and who think RGsB is the same as YPbPr. He is wrong and we are informing him so there is less confusion in these threads.
My good camera (Nikon D40)'s battery is dead ATM, so have a recycled pic.
>>3138256
>And technically RGB signals are always sent over component cables, since any video split into two or more components is considered component video. While RGB and s-video are technically component video, in common parlance "component" became a catch-all for YPbPr signals only
You are getting pedantic.
Component in these threads = YPbPr. No one ever uses it otherwise. So why even mention it when you only conclude with 'In common parlance "component" became a catch-all for YPbPr signals only'?
more recycled pics.
>>3138181
Oh, also, if you want to calibrate it better than vaguely, here's a test pattern DVD I made in November. I've shared it on these threads a couple of times, but here you are.
https://mega.nz/#!jk4nVLAK!0Ez_xqkGmTRgTSG2cxpBc37dqxVzt_fYSCdM4dOefh0
Yes, I know the monitor on the right is slightly red-tinted. This is yet another old photo.
>>3137204
One hand in your pocket, or wear rubber gloves, or both
>>3138287
Best is to not think you're safe because you're wearing a glove. And my other hand was not in my pocket, but it was not touching metal and I removed basically anything metal it could touch. I used it to hold me steady since I worked on the PVM on the floor.
>>3137204
I'd recommend against actually cracking open the flyback because it'll be nearly imposible to fix if you fuck up the windings further. The wire is REALLY thin.
You should deal with it or put the TV/monitor in a cabinet or something to muffle the noise.
It sounds like you never grew up with CRTs or something. Didn't we all just get used to it?
Some of my TV's/monitors are louder than others, and as a general rule the older they got the louder they were. But that could just be because of improvements since 1987 and not aging.
Found one more decent photo on my camera memory card. S-video, but still a pretty good photo overall.
>>3138251
>OH NOES! FREE 20L5 GUY KNOWS I WENT TO SPECSAVERS! WHATEVER WILL I DO?
Sweet foxtrot alpha seeing as you're in Ft Wayne, Indiana or something and I'm in...well, let's test your doxing skillz. Where in the world could I be?
>>3138316
I'm the last guy to defend Free20L5, but that seems like you're overreacting worse than he does. Strange ad hominem content.
>>3138316
Hey, I might be able to figure it out, IDK, but I only said anything because I liked your glasses.
I do notice you aren't using 6500k which bugs me a bit.
If you decide to tell me, then do so. But it's not worth my time :\
For what it's worth, I think the 'A' suffix on that BVM model number means Australia, though. I know 'E' is Europe and 'U' is USA (maybe canada too).
So somewhere on that continent. Yeah. All I can figure out from a few seconds of thought.
Since no one lives in most of australia (kind of like indiana but warmer), I assume sydney by default.
Heh, I'd forgotten how good some of my point-n-shoot camera's photos were.
>>3138334
I saw it as a challenge and in good fun.
If you look closely, you'll see I did exactly what he did in my initial response pic.
Got it a little better.
actually, comparing my pics, I think my DSLR would benefit from another lens... Wish those were affordable to mere mortals who aren't professional photographers.
>>3138347
Looks nice to me. What was it like before?
>>3138341
You assume I'm not using D65 but the way that monitor works means I went from the default 6500k profile and tweaked it to end up with the values you see there.
Did I ever tell you about the time I hooked up TTL and fixed my G2 with WinDAS? Oh and I'm not in Sydney, or Australia for that matter. I am a native English speaker though, if that helps narrow it down.
:^)
>>3138349
It had a huge bow and the bottom left corner was droopy, also had linearity issues? It would have a rubber band effect during horizontal scrolling. It's a Samsung slim crt. I have no idea what I'm doing. Just writing stuff down and fiddling with the built in test patterns. I can't find a service manual.
>>3138354
Before futzing
>>3138353
New Zealand?
I do not know what you mean by 'TTL' unless you mean transistor-transistor logic, I don't know what you mean by G2, and winDAS sounds like a crummy windows program to me.
>>3138354
Playing with the convergence rings/yoke? Yeah, I just fiddled until it looked good, too. Make sure you feed solid red/green/blue screens onto it so you can test purity too.
>>3138360
No just with the deflection page in the service menu, it is from 2006 and has digital control? Model tx-r2435
>>3138369
ah, okay.
My CRT's have digital deflection controls (all but my old Apple monitor, anyway), but the yoke/rings control different things. Glad you were able to fix it with the menus.
How many of you have fallen for the SCART meme?
>>3138391
Most.
>>3138374
Me too, still has a slight bow but I think I need a test suite and do some reading to really nail it down.
Have this, the 20" Sanyo and tomorrow a 32" fd trinitron. Gonna keep the best 2.
140lb guy and a 32" set up into a cabin loft? Let's do this.
>>3138394
Forgot the pic derp. yes it's messy, we got kids.
>>3138401
>3DO
Do... Do you actually use that?
>>3138417
Dunno about fragile, but there's not a single thing I actually think I would use a 3DO for.
>>3138425
It makes a good platform to roll joints on, you could hit your wife with it, it can be a potty stool for a toddler, c'mon guy use some imagination. Street Fighter is gonna be awesome on this thing!
>>3137826
Well I could cause some convegence issues, the monitor already has some minor ones anyway and I could never get it to look right at 2048x1536.
>>3138610
no, I was under the impression that was a pre-rendered extra high resolution scanline filter and not a really nice PC CRT. I recommend you leave PC CRTs for PC games and get a TV + Wii if you want to emulate with style.
>>3138625
>TV + Wii if you want to emulate with style.
Wii sucks, get a Radeon 6000 series card and crt_emudriver
>>3138391
what SCART meme?
>>3138345
Fair enough then
>>3136494
Why do you need so many sync strippers?
>>3138776
This is also well within my realm of possibility but I still lack a decent 15 KHz monitor ;_;. Will try to get a Commodore one, both for play, because it's the most likely one I can find around me and for nostalgia, I had one in my childhood.
>someone is coming to take my 3 25" trinitrons
FINALLY SOME SPACE
Still a bit sad for the KV-25X5B. By far the best combination of size, sound quality and form factor I've found for a consumer tv
>>3138281
>>3138251
>>3138230
>>3138227
Thanks guys. It looks much better in person, I've turned the brightness way down but for some reason the screen looks extra washed out on my pictures. I need to figure out how to take pictures of this thing. I'll burn that DVD and try calibrating it proper in the meantime.
>>3138781
He probably meant using SCART for RGB outside europe and paying robbery prices for the cables and adapters.
>>3138882
Are you using s-video? or RGB?
>>3139184
i thought the meme was using scart cables with ypbpr wegas
>>3138825
dont the commodore monitors only support s-video?
in that case youll need an older gfx card with s-video out
>>3139184
The perks of being an european. Thanks, France.
>>3139209
Only the 1701 (on 2 RCAs labeled LUMA and CHROMA), the 1084 and 1084s, by far the most common monitors round these parts support RGB via proprietary connector. There's also other 15KHz computer monitors with SCART but they're a smidge rarer. Mostly stuff that was sold with MSX systems.
>>3139207
Eh, through a converter? Maybe. IDK. To me using SCART in the US was stupidly expensive so I got RGB by my own means.
>>3139209
...or a wii.
There's a reason I recommended a wii.
>>3139216
>>3139223
I mean, if you can avoid SCART you may as well, the Peritél connector can be annoying and depending on the shielding and the quality of the cable it can cause issues, I have one where the big ol' metal ground fell off, and my Playstation lead has a recessed pin I had to fix.
To me though there's absolutely no reason not to use it, literally the only reason I have an S-Video cable instead of a SCART one for my Wii is because it was a Japanese import from when the dollar was just utter trash.
>>3139223
wii cant emu psx, saturn, dreamcast, or mame very well.
>>3139234
Well IMHO none of those are worth emulating when hardware is so cheap. But whatever.
Are retroarch's cores too slow?
>>3139239
oh, forgot MAME. I never had trouble with MAME on the wii myself - only played Donkey Kong, though.
>>3139239
yeah but if you already bought a crt for the purpose of emulating
its kind of a waste of money to buy 3 consoles (and you have to burn discs for them) instead of just getting an hd-xxxx series to begin with
and you dont have to use proprietary controllers. for the wii you have to choose battery powered wiimote (classic controller) or a gamecube controller with the borderline unusable d-pad
better to buy an old graphics card and have no regrets imo
>>3139229
Composite video as sync is a reason not to use it, if you want a stable picture.
>>3139259
I can use USB keyboards. I have a cheap & shitty little SNES -> uSB keyboard arduino thing hooked up so I can use a SNES gamepad on it. By 'shitty' I refer to the paperclips I used to plug into the SNES controller.
Anyway, there are also adapters (online and homemade with microcontrollers) for the gamecube ports . If you want to buy pre-made, retrousb.com has them, I think.
>>3139259
Also,
>Using Linux
>Using a radeon
Recipie for disaster.
Ah, nevermind, looks like retroUSB discontinued the gamecube port adapters. Still, it's doable.
>>3139273
>>3139273
i think its much easier or less specific on linux
i havent looked into it in a while but iirc you dont even need crt-emudriver on linux
>>3139270
exactly
the list of things to buy (or make) just continues on and on
instead its easier to just do a one time purchase of a low end HD-7xxx and be done with it
im not talking out of my ass here
ive done the wii route
>>3139280
:^)
>>3139284
You don't need crt_emudriver, but you also don't need a radeon on linux.
>>3139284
Oh, also, the wii uses a Radeon.
>>3139287
uh ok?
i never told anyone to use a radeon on linux
i assumed they were using windows like a sane human being
>>3139191
RGB, but I think I accidentally turned on HDR for that picture which is why it looks so crappy. This one isn't much better but you can make out the scanlines a little better
Just performed a factory reset on my pvm after I basically ruined the image beyond repair in the service menu. Time to try again.
>>3139260
>if you want a stable picture.
Have you tried ferrite beads around your cables? That fixed it for me.
>>3139318
You dun goofed son.
Why didn't you write everything down before adjusting? Factory reset won't bring them back. You just undid all adjustments that were made at the factory.
>>3139508
>Why didn't you write everything down before adjusting?
I did, but the settings they were at when I got the monitor were beyond acceptable. So the values I wrote down are shit. The reset made everything better, but not perfect. I'm going to take some photos to better explain the problem.
>>3139508
erm .. so why is it called "factory settings" then?
>>3138391
I live in SCART-land, SCART was always the most convenient. Already had a bunch of SCART cables when I got my first PVM, so getting a converter was the most logical thing.
>>3139260
You can make RGB SCART cables with CSYNC or Luma for sync, they just won't work properly in non-RGB SCART sockets (as those would be expecting composite video).
I have one such cable for my SFC, although the CSYNC on the SFC is so dirty I can actually see some outlines when watching the CSYNC as if it were composite. I should probable invest in a sync cleaner.
>>3139816
it's the base setting when the eeprom was flashed, they were then adjusted by a tech before getting sent out.
Someone in the GTA sell me a multiformat or BVM please. I will pay a lotta money for one!
>>3139293
okay, triggered.
Windows sucks and is for a) windows-only games, b) People who need to use M$ programs for work, and c) people who don't know better.
Hell, even Mac OS is better, and I hate apple and my mac (2006 imac, 64 bit CPU, but never upgraded past OSX 10.7) with a burning passion - if you are using Windows for the Adobe software. At least it has a portable and coherent API underlying it (POSIX).
>>3139242
>never had trouble with MAME on the wii myself
>only played Donkey Kong, though.
Err.....
For one, MAME on the wii is slow as shit, and buggy as hell. For two, it's impossible to find the 0.139 roms or whatever, and rolling back that far is too, effectively.
Retroarch is also shit though, wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, but at least it's available.
>>3136283
Just got my 8" Sony Trinitron KV-8AD10 in the mail. Feels pretty good.
This is a rugged 'prosumer' field monitor, takes 12v power etc. I got it used and it came with a nice padded carrying case clearly made for the unit, with pockets for the original pamphlets and antenna and power cables and stuff. Also included is the rare original remote!
I believe this set has one of the smallest and last high-quality broadcast / field type Trinitron sets. I plan to use it for all kinds of things.
>>3139954
But then that's not standard SCART - and I don't think anyone makes the cables that way anyway. If you are willing to use a soldering iron and rewire things, why not skip SCART altogether when it's not what your monitor uses? That's my logic.
>>3139954
Are you talking about watching csync-based RGB? The SNES and SFC that I have have very clean csync - I suspect you have a shitty cable or shitty soldering.
>>3140135
>not compiling a newer version of MAME
>>3140218
Inputs?
If it's not RGB, and then not pre-1985, then don't call it a 'broadcast/field type' set.
And they were making the PVMs in 8 inch versions in 2004 still. Maybe later even.
why do i have to do from dreamcast to scart and then scart to bnc?
whats keeping me from modding the dreamcast to scart with a a 4 bnc cable i already have?
or modding the dreamcast with 4 bnc?
>>3140218
Also, not to burst your bubble, but I think I recognize that set as identical to one my grandmother had in her kitchen. If it has a wireless remote, and if that's an antenna on the top, then it's not a prosumer set. IIRC my grandmother's set also had a bunch of buttons on the top in front of the antenna for changing channels and stuff. It's a kitchen countertop TV. And [citation needed] on the remote being 'rare'. It's hard to imagine there's demand for these CRTs in the first place, let alone the remotes for them. They're pretty damn tiny.
Show us how it looks in use though, maybe I'll be wrong.
>>3140218
Oh, also, not the smallest. They made 5-inch PVMs.
Basically, it sounds to me like you got a small consumer TV, honestly.
>>3140261
Nothing, that's what I do but with RCAs and RCA -> BNC adapters.
>>3140269
>>3140261
Problem is my BVM only supports rgb/component and composite inputs.
I have an S-video cable but i dont want to buy both scart cables for my Dreamcast (dc>sc(m) (f)sc>bvm)
Also dreamcast doesnt support component out. (and only supports 31Khz over vga)
Just wondering what the cheapest way I could get this hooked up without resorting to composite.
>>3140261
>why do i have to do from dreamcast to scart and then scart to bnc?
Because you fell for the SCART meme.
Cable makers figured they'd make people pay double by making both a console->SCART and SCART->BNC cables and make people buy both instead of simply making console->BNC cables.
>>3140281
Could I cut the connector off my s-video cable and mod it with my 4 BNC to 4 BNC cable?
>>3140291
If the connector has all the pins and it is easy to open you can do it.
I have done it with SNES, Genesis, Playstation, and Xbox.
>>3140256
>>3140263
>>3140268
I didn't say it was an ENG set, more that it was a 'prosumer' set. It's ruggedized and has a nice handle, and takes 12v power (obvious field use feature) but it's not one of the heavy-duty broadcast ones built into a shell with a visor etc.
Has normal composite input, RF as well, and takes the funky proprietary Sony AC power cords as well as DC.
Not the fanciest set but I wanted something that would work nicely with my Apple ][c+ as well as be useful in the ham radio shack which is all 12v.
Purity problem anon checking in.
After messing with my monitor until the wee hours, fucking up my symmetry, and giving up; I was pleased to see that the purity issue was fixed when I turned on my monitor two days later!
Not sure how or why buy I'm happy that I'm no longer plagued by the purple death
>>3140304
It's cuter than the 8 inch PVMs.
That's about all it has going for it though.
>>3140309
Hah.
Well don't move it.
>>3140312
It only weighs about 6-8 pounds too which is really nice.
>>3140304
>has a handle
>takes 12v
>must be for "field use"
it's for camping, dicknuts.
like, old people camping.
with a camper, and a car battery.
>>3140256
>>not compiling a newer version of MAME
Fair enough. I'm not a linux user. How easy is it to do that for the Wii? (And try not to be the glib prat you usually are. Something polite with at least four sentences and reasonable progression would be appreciated.)
>>3140326
No it's clearly built to exacting standards, they secretly provided S-video taps on the main board if you look at the service manual.
Amazing stuff, this might be the sleeper CRT of the mid-80s. It even has the ultra-rare Black Trinitron technology.
This wasn't uncommon for Sony, they had a lot of these sleeper products that used hand-me-down cutting edge tech.
Here's another Sony CRT that I own, even smaller. It takes a discerning person to appreciate such technology.
>dat flat tube
>>3140315
... Wut?
Holy shit, it has the holy grail of Trinitrons - the Pan Focus gun.
I'm seeing a comb filter here too in the schematics.
Looks like I lucked out.
>TFW my TV was probably made for the secret Japanese manned space program
wew
Someone is selling a PVM 9044 QM near me for €35. I don't like how small it is, but is it worth it either way?
>>3140347
>they secretly provided S-video taps on the main board if you look at the service manual.
Are you talking about the KV-8AD10?
>>3140347
>this might be the sleeper CRT of the mid-80s
we get it, you're excited about the monitor. the truth is it is tiny as fuck, and doesn't have rgb. kinda sucks imo
>>3140375
>doesn't have rgb
S-Video with the excellent comb filter is going to approach RGB-quality for most input signals anon.
>>3140353
Stop.
You did not.
Can we make this professional/broadcast/pc crt general?
>>3140383
how much did you pay for this thing? i've seen dicks in porn bigger than the screen for gods sake, stop hyping it up.
>>3140384
>not having the rare special Black Trinitron™
>not having the special PanFocus™ Gun
>not knowing your CRT was used in a space battle cruiser to fight all manner of space evils in stories the Japanese can only leak out as "video games" and "anime" "fictions"
It's a shame anon.
>>3140382
Fawk. Totally didn't see his response. I'm going to turn it back in the direction it was pointed to check out how it looks.
Thanks for the heads up
Getting one of these sent to me within the next week after falling in love with picture at a recent convention I went to. Any /vr/ bros own a 2950q. I've always heard not to go above 20 for pvms but the picture was so nice. Im super excited to get it home.
>>3140559
Be prepared to deal with purity/convergence issues unless its shipped on a pallet.
>>3140568
I know its being shipped via YRC Freight. And I've talked to the seller about the importance of safe shipping. He seems familiar with it. Either way i'm prepared to spend a day or two getting it the way I want.
>>3140328
Wii isn't using MAME for arcade emulation, and I don't believe there's actually a port of it otherwise.
RA uses FBA for its arcade emulation, and I doubt that there's a way you could actually compile a more recent version outside of what they're already offering, since you need it to be a libretro core.
If you haven't updated in a while, a new version of RetroarchWii did come out last month, but I'm not sure what all the changes to the already existing cores were.
>>3140618
not sure about cores but it saves resolution for me now, thanks Kya!
>>3140256
>nobody makes cables that way
But they do, at least with the aftermarket cables that are coming out these days. It's not uncommon to find CSYNC SCART cables and Luma Sync SCART cables, heck just go check and eBay (and don't come back and whine at me like the prices are my fault).
>shitty cable
probably that, it's not even shielded properly, but then the SFC/SNES's RGB output isn't all that great to begin with either (I don't have a memechip SNES).
Also I made a shitty mod to it to add a switch to switch between CSYNC and composite video, it might be doing something, I dunno. But I remember seeing this before doing that mod to the cable anyway.
>Why use SCART when your monitor doesn't
Because I used to have a SCART CRT (that I unfortunately had to get rid of). Also a SCART switcher.
Plus having just one connector instead of 5 is just that much more convenient, even if it's on the bulky side (at least that makes soldering to it really easy).
>>3140281
But you only need one SCART - BNC cable. All consoles should be hooked to scart switch. And switch output connected to monitor with SCART - BNC
>>3140736
The solution for the meme cable is not a meme switch.
>>3140736
What if you only had one console?
Then you'd be paying double for inferior cable. I have done this before where I actually showed that you could get something like 20 times as much cable, with better shielding, for the same price if you ditched the SCART paradigm altogether.
>>3140739
How is it meme? Yes, maybe it was never used in your region. Doesn't make it a meme though.
>>3140739
Curious what your alternative to SCART looks like. Can you tell us?
Attached: my setup. Since my only RGB consoles are currently a Genesis and a SNES, this works fine. If I were to add two more consoles I'd have to start using the S-Video inputs on the sima switch for RGB. But the only other console with RGB that I might want to hook up is my PSX, so I can deal with this fine.
>>3140742
>not buying cable when the electronics shop is selling off surplus
I got some shielded 5-lead cable, going to try making SCART out of it. I'll probably have to pull sound separately though unless I want mono, but maybe that'll give me less buzz anyway.
>>3140687
>and don't come back and whine at me like the prices are my fault
They aren't your fault, but you defending a bad cable that your monitor doesn't even use if you live in the US is your fault.
>>3140750
Some people use HD15 or DB9 for their own custom connector, a path I've thought about going due to the bulkiness of SCART connectors and expense of good SCART switchers (mine only does 3, it's way too little, but better than nothing).
I'm wondering if you could use for instance a PC KVM you found cheap if you went for HD15.
>>3140762
>taking good cable and turning it into a shitty one by using a connector that is the point where the buzzing he's worried about likely originates
>>3140765
I don't live in the US, didn't you read my post earlier?
>>3140559
If you dont mind me asking how much did you pay before shipping? I assume it was the one on ebay i had be watching to see if someone would actually buy it. the price was wayyyy to steep for me.
>>3140771
It's not particularly good cable, in fact most SCART patch cables (although not for consoles because, lol cheap) on the market use better cable, with individually shielded leads.
Also I have some SCART connectors over, I might as well test it.
>>3140772
Hey, if you're in europe I'm cool with SCART, especially if you fix the shitty sync design. But what I have trouble with is people using them in the US for no reason other than, as that other anon so nicely put it, the meme factor, coupled with a willingness to throw all your money down a well.
>>3140784
I think we have this discussion about every 5th thread by now.
>>3140783
The SCART connector is a bigger problem. Multiports are not great from an impedance matching or crosstalk perspective. RCA jacks are certainly not great either, but they are closer to a match than a SCART pin.
>>3140901
20l5 is kinda a dick but at least hes contributing, postin pics and shit on an imageboard.
you couldn't be fucked to throw one random game or tv pic on top of that shitpost?
can I composite to a vcr and record some sweet gameplay footage? I am using rgb to YPbPr on the input side.
Gee, I've gone from a complete dick to kind of a dick. Every day and in every way I'm getting better and better.
>>3140917
I think you need to downgrade to composite for that to work. Most receiver boxes won't convert RGB or YPbPr to composite internally for you.
I've used composite direct to a VCR while running YPbPr to a TV before.
Alternately, I'd invest in a cheap-ish capture card. Mine works well enough for 240p but you have to run the output through a chain of ffmpeg filters to corect it's perceiving 240p frames as 480i fields.
Pic is an old test I did before I found the right resistor value for my Gensis S-video mod (which I finished tonight, btw). The jailbars are greatly reduced now compared to here.
>>3140925
>Every day and in every way I'm getting better and better.
I've seen those mawds, I really hope so.
Aaah I'm just fucking with you. I'm too puss to even try.
>>3140932
I just tried it with another tv hooked to the output, the picture is black and white :( gotta dig out the old s-video cables and try that.Is there a poorfaggot stand alone capture device? I have no desktop, just a toaster laptop and tablet.
>>3140936
Holy shit, did not know that such a TV existed. That's a sexy TV with a very cool (for the time) console in it... Bet it's worth more than my car by now (My car is 21 years old).
>>3140947
>the picture is black and white :(
That's because it's taking the Y input as a stand-in for composite on that line, and sending it to the monitor out. S-Video will give the same results since it's using the same Y signal for sync.
If you're using composite sync from your RGB cable, you could run the unused composite video directly to your recording device and skip the TV's video out all together. Might need some custom cabling or invent use of breakout adapters, but it'd be doable.
>>3140947
My device was overpriced (roxio branded), but I can say that any USB capture device with a EM2681 chipset works well for composite and s-video.
I _think_ the Pinnacle Dazzle DVC 90 / DVC 100 / DVC 101 should all work well.
They have linux drivers, and windows ones - some are out of date but I've tested these up to windows 8.1:
http://www.ezcap.tv/DC60+driver.rar
If you can find a non-knockof Ezcap DC60+ (note the 'plus' sign, and there are a LOT of knockoffs, some of which are incompatible), those will also have the right chipset. There are others that work, too, but this is what I have experience with.
None of those should cost more than around $35, I think.
>>3140973
Speaking of, here's creative S-video and audio outputs.
Audio is coming through a test lead - I've used small nails before too.
That wire on the s-video plug is 22 gauge cat5e.
>>3140917
I've contributed way more than you think.
2 words : svideo pasta
but hey you asked.
My IBM 3161 terminal.
>>3140948
prepare for my full integrated console/monitor pic set
>Bet it's worth more than my car by now (My car is 21 years old).
now thats dedicated, even the wheels are /vr/.
I still own and occasionally drive the first car I ever bought and it is 37 now
>>3140973
first you tell me the md2 cable won't work on a saturn now this. Dreamcrusher perk aquired
no compo sync, just gonna find/get a compo cable. it's just for shits.
>>3140981
good post L5 thanks!
>>3141003
that's what I'm talkin about, nice dump and thanks for the pasta!
>>3140936
>>and the ntsc-u nes version, I think these were sold at k-mart
>>3140383
Your conceit is enormous and you fail to see what we are all telling you: That set isn't some magical perfect monitor gift from god. It's a portable CRT - in fact, I bet a reason it had the padded bag was for stuffing between the front seats of a car for kids in the back. That'd explain 12V, too. And the s-video can be explained by manufacturing a generic board for multiple monitors. S-video is indeed good, but it depends entirely on a good encoder for the decoder to be able to reach near-,RGB levels. I know of no consoles with encoders THAT good, though my SNES is kind of close. Anyway, I'm glad you like it but it's not actually anything super special.
>>3141047
fucked that text up, moar drinks!
my favorite
>>3141050
supersenpaicom in 14"
>>3141054
and 21" (prob 13 and 20 viewable)
>>3141058
only one I've ever seen sold for over $5k. Most expensive console?
>>3141062
I have a 97 855 t5, last of the number cars. Do you ever post on /o/?
>>3141039
Note that the argument I used in ffmpeg to separate the inferred 480i fields into the real 240p frames was:
-vf "setfield=tff,separatefields,scale=720x480:flags=neighbor,setdar=3/2"
That turns fields into frames and maintains the correct aspect ratio by nearest-neighbor scaling vertically.
Hey bros, fellow CRT enthusiast here. I am a complete noob and know very little other than "does this thing have S-Video?", but I really enjoy browsing your finds and being extremely jealous of your setups. I hope someday that I'll find myself in a situation where I can have a room with a nice TV and all my classic consoles so I can relive the best days of my life.
Cheers.
