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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
S-Video Pasta: http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
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>>3073757
cool picture
Anyone know a good lcd tv for the framemeister? Lost BVM bro here.
![IMG_20160319_004514[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IcffLYu.jpg "IMG_20160319_004514[1].jpg")
>>3077643
also anyone know what kind of problem I have here. All megadrive games have a wobbly sync at the top of the screen like this. monitor is a pvm-2042qm
![IMG_20160319_004525[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Xv896Hx.jpg "IMG_20160319_004525[1].jpg")
>>3077661
should meantion all other consoles appear normal
>>3077661
Try adjusting the holds in options? Older pvm had knobs on the back
>>3077692
Yeah mine has one but it doesn't seem to affect that particular problem at all
>>3077713
Which sync is your cable wired for and were did you get it?
Does anyone know if having a console hooked up through an AV switch (Specifically this one: http://www.amazon.com/Panlong-Switcher-Composite-Selector-Consoles/dp/B00KXVBB7C) will cause any input lag on a standard CRT? I have a lot of consoles that I want to have hooked up but I also like fighting and rhythm games that need no lag.
>>3077867
Lag free
At worst it might introduce some picture/audio noise etc though
>>3077925
Is there a preffered brand of switcher?
>>3077925
I'm not sure how you can make composite any worse than it already is.
>>3078250
Right, I want the best possible picture and have been searching for a component switcher. From what I've read nothing stands out and they'll likely all degrade the picture to some extent
>>3078279
The extron matrix switchboxes are the best. Not sure of anything that beats them.
Heard good stuff about Kramer stuff but finding that here in the US is difficult to say the least.
>>3077475
look at how hard I can piss - retro edition
Big CRTs at the local Goodwill. Posted from mobile so orientation might flip wrongways
>>3078396
I got a WEGA 27 inch from goodwill a few months ago. I even got it half off because of that 'half off all furniture" deal. I love goodwill.
>>3078408
Looks like a 27' in the middle am I right? I really need to find the space for a 36' trini
Will a distribution amplifier or RGB interface also improve picture quality over longer stretches of cable? I'm thinking of getting one so I can plug in my framemeister and PVM's at the same time, as well as to be more free in what PVM I put where in the room (only one of the PVMs daisy chain RGB)
>>3078557
The only way it would improve it is by cleaning up the sync sync signal.
In your application there should be no visible difference. If there is it's probably negative.
>>3078564
oh, ok. I'm asking because the furthest PVM is already a good 5 or so meters of cable away from the source (1m console cable + 2m SCART (split into BNC at first PVM) + 2m BNC to second PVM). And you can see some slight deteroriation, or at least I think it is.
>>3077661
mega drive csync is a bitch. on PVMs I have to put a 7408 AND gate IC between the csync pin and the TV, with both inputs tied together. On my panasonic monitor, I have to use csync without an iC, with the 75 ohm termination switch set to 'open'.
If you don't need absolute perfection, maybe you can get away with composite video as sync.
>>3078571
I'd focus on not having long runs personally.
>>3077661
what's the setup ? MD model and region, regular or pure sync cable...
>>3077475
I have a Trinitron Wega that have component ports but doesnt support 480p, wtf is this shit?
>>3078687
Why would 480p matter?
>>3078691
I have my wii hooked up to it.
>>3078698
Non retro garbage.
>>3078687
>not wanting lagfree 240p rgb/component
>>3078687
You don't want 480p CRT TVs
>>3078706I emulate NES and SNES with it, while using pic related
I also have a N64 hooked up, but I think some games look better on VC than the original release.
>>3078714
Why?
>>3078721
>Why?
They lag
>>3078706
>>3078739
Read the rules.
>>3078698
I support you bro. Being a wii CRT owner here gets pretty negative vibes. Begin the search for a multiformat monitor if you want lagless glorious 480p.
>>3078895
Thanks bro, have a pixelated burguer.
>>3077796
I suppose I could plug the sync cable BNC into the composite and see if it works to find out?
Beautiful, even in composite.
I have four famicoms and this is the pearliest white I've seen, and also the oldest of the lot.
>>3078993
>knex soldering station
I don't like the idea of putting a hot iron on plastic.
>>3078557
>>3078564
Nah, over longer stretches of cable it might help to avert voltage drop. Go without it at first, and if there's noticeable signal degradation, grab a few more chokes, and then finally try an amp.
... aand as i keep reading, it looks like only 5m. The amp won't make any real difference there.
>>3079056
>>3079067
hence the filename, dumbass.
>>3079096
You do know this is a CRT thread right?
>>3079067
It's that same emulator bug some anon keeps posting. It has nothing to do with CRT vs LCD or scanlines.
>>3079106
It's in the thread title.
Is it too difficult for you to take another conclusion about the pics?
>>3079112
Yep.
It's a problem that is a plague to the internet. We don't escape it here. Parrotors.
We got a group of kids that have a hard on for CRTs that want nothing to do but jerk off to them. They google parrot everything like those pictures this guy is posting and apply it to their "argument".
CRTs are cool. They're what I grew up with. Thinking they're perfect is silly at best. They're blurry, huge, and ill tempered beasts. I think that adds to them.
They're same kids posting the emulator shots saying they're just like CRTs.
>>3079115
Back track a bit harder, champ.
At best you're shitposting emulation screenshots in this thread.
The CRT threads are pretty accepting about what is talked about but when it's just shitposting with emulation screenshots you need to stop.
>>3079010
Yes, because the plastic handle of the iron isn't between them or anything. And this isn't a third rate iron where the handle gets hot either.
>>3078728
Multiscan TV monitors don't necessarily. Others? yes.
>>3078982
Sorry what? snap a pic of how you have everything connected
Tonight I did something I've wanted to do for a long time. I used a PC CRT monitor to it's fullest capabilities and displayed video on it in 2048x1536 without upscaling and in a very high bitrate.
I guess I got into CRTs almost 10 years ago now, and I spent a lot of time fiddling with them trying to get them to look just right. When I would get a new monitor and try to play higher resolution files on it the image always seemed dull or dim. I tried to fix this a dozen different ways.
But there's no need to fix. That's just the way old high-res monitors are. I always thought the contrast should be better than it is, but the contrast isn't really that great when you're doing this. Not even compared to good modern LED LCD monitors. It was amazing for the time of course.
The screen itself can't resolve the full resolution due to the nature of the shadow mask, but it's more about the thought here. I'd say the visible resolution isn't much better than 800 lines.
It's a little bittersweet, that now once I finally have the ability to get the absolute most out of my monitors they don't have as much of an appeal to me.
Of course, I'll always have them for /vr/, but I loved them for video too.
Were there any other usdm TVs that had scart inputs or was the dimensia the only one?
>>3079121
So you were that guy that was previously butthurted when you realized that there is actually a significant diference between playing on a crt and an a plain lcd.
Its pretty much comon sense these days that old school games where developed with crts in mind, there is no "argument" against.
>CRTs are cool. They're what I grew up with. Thinking they're perfect is silly at best. They're blurry, huge, and ill tempered beasts. I think that adds to them.
Oh, blue pill, you are so crazy.
>>3079205
>LCDs are cool. They're what I grew up with. Thinking they're perfect is silly at best. They're laggy, leaky, and cloud tempered beasts. I think that adds to them.
:3
>>3078714
>You don't want 480p CRT TVs
I sure do. Plenty of interesting things to do with them. I'm willing to take a teeny bit of lag.
>>3079254
Nope. I believe you have me mixed up with some other (stupid) conversation in this thread.
>>3079265
What does a HD CRT TV do that an LCD doesn't do?
>>3079276
The viewing angles are big one for me. Even the LCD's with "good" viewing angles seem garbage when you're coming from a CRT.
>>3079205
a couple more photos for fun
>>3079276
True black, more accurate colors.
Kind of like a plasma screen.
>>3079237
Just the Dimensia. The Brionvega Doney sold in US markets accepts NTSC signals through a scart port, cannot remember if it accepted RGB tho
>>3079317
Some 80s RCA sets, too. They called it 'EIA multiport'. I don't think it supported RGB.
>>3079241
If there was an argument or point in that post I don't know what it was. Seems like a whole bunch of assumption and projection.
>>3077475
>hey look how hard I can pee!
>>3079313
>True Black
I won't get into any commentary, but I happened to take this photo and it will be the last of the set.
Are there any 16:9 SD CRTs?
>>3079340
Yes.
Anyone in the ATL area that missed out on those 20-inch PVMs, there's a Mitsubishi multiscan monitor in Norcross for $10.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/ele/5469678792.html
I think it's an XC-3730c
>>3079350
>XC-3730c
These are pretty great, and ought to support 1440x1080i on top of being useful for playing old games. Old anime looks amazing on them.
>>3079348
Can they border for 4:3, any recommended? Want to upgrade the kids room but want to keep a CRT for durability and having a backup gaming set.
>>3079340
Here's a nice looking one
>>3079358
Should have a 4:3 mode, any good brand, Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba
Widescreen SD CRTs are really cool but pretty uncommon in North America, there was an anon in here a few months ago who found a widescreen SD Toshi in his dorm's AV room, so they are out there.
Anybody downscale? Blu ray looks pretty good even on a 480i set.
>>3079394
I just run it at 720p on my 20L5. if you're only getting 480i, there's no reason to use a blu-ray player instead of a DVD player.
I want to run emulation from my PC to a CRT monitor.
I don't need perfect RGB, but I guess component would be good enough?
Does this mean I am looking for a Sony Trinitron that accepts component? Are there small CRTs that accept component?
>>3079401
1) make sure you can get VGA out of your PC.
2) get a PC monitor. Doesn't need to be a trinitron, needs to be a CRT computer monitor.
3) ???
4) PROFIT!!
>>3079408
thanks bro
>>3079395
>no reason to use a blu-ray player instead of a DVD player [@480i]
Assuming identical source quality, identical scaling etc. Might be a quite a few reasons, actually.
>>3079395
>if you're only getting 480i, there's no reason to use a blu-ray player instead of a DVD player.
Completely wrong. Please educate yourself about the matter.
>>3079395
I stopped buying dvd when blu ray came out. Checked back to back with some of the kids movies that are dual copies. Blu Ray is still an improvement over dvd even at 480i
>>3079153
I use this between 4 cables going into my PVM (RGB and Sync) and the din to scart cable coming out of my console.
>>3079529
The grey thing is a scart to rca/bnc cable splitter and the black thing is a passthrough I use for L+R audio.
>>3079531
never had any problems with any other console with it (except my MSX where I had to get sync out of the passthrough composite for some reason)
I live in the middle of bumfucknowhere.
There's no one around me selling CRTs on CL. But I could have one shipped to me.
Am I fucked? Just looking for a CRT monitor that accepts components.
>>3079539
Probably, hit up all the local thrift stores. I'm in fairbanks, ak and have found some. Wouldn't trust shipping one to the boons unless it was in the original box and foam. You should see some of the packages I get. A tv would be hammered.
>>3079539
You can also find them at thrift stores unless you have none in your area.
>>3079546
Not op, forgot to anon.
>>3079539
just wait or get a framemeister anon. Posting is not worth it both financially and because it will be smashed to bits on the way.
Anyone know any good resources on analog and digital video signals? Electronics hobbyist, I've been playing with FPGAs lately, I'm interested in converting HDMI signals to analog for CRT televisions.
>>3079560
There's already tons of products that do that. You wouldn't be trying to make something with a capture card in it would you?
>>3079539
Where are you? I bet you we can find something.
>>3079438
>Completely wrong. Please educate yourself about the matter.
Explain why. Prove you know what you're talking about.
You should watch movies on a HDTV where possible since input lag doesn't matter the same way and HDTV's match the aspect ratio of movies when projected with a standard anamorphic lens.
When using a PS2 to play PS1 games, is Y/Pb/Pr component or RGB Scart preferable?
My PVM supports either or, and I wouldn't think that component to BNC would cause any problems.
>>3079641
Either's fine. Don't use SCART unless you're getting true composite sync instead of composite video (e.g. not standard SCART). I'd probably use RGB out of principle if using csync.
>>3079643
(disclaimer: I'm the guy who uses RCA cables for R/G/B/Csync and avoids SCART altogether. Everyone here hates me for telling them they pay too much for cables. I am not giving neutral advice. Though either method will work, if SCART is using composite video for sync you'd best stick witih YPbPr here.)
>>3079650
pic related. This guy.
>>3079652
That's actually pretty nifty, but the cost of the cables is a lot less than the cost of the mods required for stuff like that, unless you're already super savy like that.
>>3079639
There's very little to explain. Blu-rays have far higher bitrates leading to greater detail, less artifacts like banding or blur, and more accurate color. Basically, a DVD does not come anywhere near achieving the maximum visual fidelity of a good SD CRT. A Blu-ray gets near it (but still not there sometimes!).
There is also the matter of blu-ray releases generally being held to a higher standard of transfer from the original elements. DVD releases often really screwed things up, and the Blu-ray release sometimes fixes these errors.
>>3079660
>the cost of the cables is a lot less than the cost of the mods required for stuff like that, unless you're already super savy like that.
That means, the way I read it, that you aren't willing to try to learn to do it yourself.
Did you know I taught myself soldering when I AV modded a NES top loader in 8th grade (14 years old)? That was my first electronics experience. I just followed guides online. And the genesis is REALLY easy, you just run wires from the DIN connector on the back to RCA jacks on a panel.
Anyway, it's fine if you don't want to and want to buy special cables, but it's really not too hard to do. And if you test your connections with a multimeter's continuity tester, you can be sure that everything will work right. It's never too late to start.
>>3079664
Ah, you refer to the YUV 4:4:2 vs 4:2:2 color schemes. Forgot about that.
>>3079660
>>3079652
>>3079672
Another pic.
This one cost me $4. I had to run out and get some perfboard (a kind of DIY circuitboard). I recycled capacitors by pulling them from a dead A/V receiver. This was just wires from the multi-out port, through some capacitors, to jacks. Still pretty simple stuff. A famicom/top loading NES composite video mod is waaay more involved.
>>3079676
I know one guy personally who uses HD15 (high density 15 pins) for his consoles. I just use RCA because I have more random RCA cables than I do VGA cables. And BNC connectors are:
a) more expensive
b) less likely to be recycled off of consumer equipment (I do that a lot)
c) less likely to be found at a place like radio shack in a solderable form.
I do use RCA ->BNC adapters on the back of my monitors, though.
>>3079680
Famicom A/V and power supply combo board. Replaces the RF modulator. On a top loader you can get away with not replacing the power source, but on the famicom if you want to put a jack on the back of the console you really have to. It's CRAMPED.
>>3079680
>drilling holes an SNES with very mild yellowing
Yuck. Save this kind of debasement for those systems which have suffered the worst through time.
>>3079693
(BTW, I do not recommend doing a power supply board in your first mod if you ever do one. Power board problems are the easiest ways to kill a console. Video mods, on the other hand, are really VERY safe by comparison. Like comparing a normal bike ride (AV mod) to jumping the grand canyon on a motorcycle (power board). But honestly it's a bit less extreme than that because anyone CAN make a power board. It's just good to gain experience finding mistakes in circuits and figuring out good board layout methods before you go all-in on something like a power source. That's why my first famicom mod had A/V coming out on the side of the console - I didn't have to touch the power board that way.
>>3079694
The later china-made ones don't have the same yellowing problem as earlier japanese units. This is a VERY late unit (1chip-02).
Also, screw you. I will do what I want. The console cost me $35 and I was willing at that price to mess with it.
>>3079680
>SGB1
Get an SGB2 or all this isn't even worth it.
>>3079693
Complete, latest AV modded famicom with AV on the back.
Added a very low-power fan in case I ever found my voltage regulator overheating and didn't want to open it up to fix it right away. That switch toggles the fan.
![gen1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ql3zH6a.jpg "gen1[1].jpg")
>>3079529
>>3079531
>>3079536
do you use the pin marqued as sync on the pinout ? You can't use it as is, you have to buffer it. It's easier to use Composite as sync
>>3079715
I replaced the clock with the correct oscillator (the one a game boy uses). The only SGB2 feature I'm missing is the link port. It runs at the proper speed.
>>3079719
Mhmm. Also composite video as sync sucks ass and the entire screen moves left and right during bright scenes.
I buffer it, but one of my monitors accepts it without a buffer (Panasonic BT-H1390YN).
>>3079569
Except there's really not, and what there is is mostly chinese garbage with high latency and extremely limited allowable resolutions. There's really not much widely available that can take a 240p HDMI signal and convert it into a 240p analog signalyes, I'm aware that 240p analog is technically 480i with overlapped fields, but that's irrelevant because few conversion devices support it no matter what you call it.
One of the main reasons that the Wii is still such a popular emulation device is because it can output 240p analog like the original consoles. It'd be great to be able to convert the HDMI output of something like an HTPC or RPi to 240p analog.
>>3079720
Oh. I suppose that's alright.
Though you're still missing the SGB2 borders. Japan wins again.
>>3079724
>all that hotglue
drakon is that you?
>>3079726
You can use ffmpeg to convert 240p mistaken for 480i fields into proper 480p (or 640x240 if you don't mind the terrible aspect ratio problems).
On my capture device, which captures at 720x480, I use the filter:
-vf "setfield=tff,separatefields,scale=720x480:flags=neighbor,setdar=3/2"
>>3079729
No. He'd piss hot glue all over his PCB's. I used it because there's extremely little clearance between the back of the case and the RF shielding. I didn't want everything to short on the shielding. Also these aren't panel mount RCA jacks, they're supposed to be PCB mounted. Therefore I used glue to fasten them on.
Note the lack of glue coating this board. I am confident in my soldering, unlike that asshole.
>>3079729
only pic I have, but you can see the shield goes right up to the edge of the case. This photo was taken when I was showing someone how the genesis has two separate voltage regulators because it's such a power-hungry monster.
>>3079727
Make no mistake, I'd like a SGB2. I just don't like paying shipping from Japan, so I'm gonna wait until I can order a few things from Yahoo Auctions at once and have them all ship together.
>>3079706
>This is a VERY late unit (1chip-02).
Ugh, even worse. You've disgraced the Rolls Royce of SNES units.
>>3079664
It might be hard to tell from shitty phone pics but the difference in person is like switching from composite to rgb.
Dvd
>>3079752
Bluray
Same settings and cheap component cable
>>3079749
>disgraced
I'd prefer to say that I replaced the headlights with ones that don't make you insert a $20 bill to use them.
(seriously, SNES SCART cables + SCART -> BNC cables would make me go broke, they're so overpriced for a mediocre quality product. I'd expect them to be coaxial shielded at the prices they charge.)
>>3079752
Sounds like your DAC in your dvd player might be bad, or your TV not calibrated to the DVD player properly. Still, yeah, the compression algorithm and YUV format are superior. i was wrong. But at 480i you're watching native DVD resolution. That was my point.
>>3079754
Why didn't you just re-pin the male connector of the original cable to 6 rca female plugs instead? You could've made a universal rca rgb,sync and stereo jumper. Hell you could probably sell them.
>>3079731
That might work well enough for a CRT monitor, consumer CRT televisions won't accept 480p input. Pretty much every CRT television I've seen in the USA just works with the NTSC standard, which is 480i.
>>3079749
Also, I had no idea when I bought it at a local shop. It was and is my only SNES. It's not some jewel to be kept in a dakr temperature controlled environment until the end of time. It's a 'CHILD'S PLAYTHING' in Woody's words. (Toy Story)
>>3079764
No, I'm referring to my capture card. It sees 240p as if it were 480i. This turns the 480i 30fps that it captures back into 60fps 240p, then uses nearest-neighbor scaling to bring it to the correct aspect ratio. It was only tangentially related to your problem. But you can skip the resizing step and just get straight 240p.
>>3079754
>crack open $2 AV-multi cable
>solder correct wires and reenclose
>buy cheap-ass BNC cable lot from ebay for $10
>chop and solder solder together
There's your pricey RGB cable.
>>3079767
(it does this by extracting each field of a 480i image and making it a unique frame, sequencing the fields together.)
>>3079768
Most cheap multi AV cables lack the populated pins for RGB, you stupid fuck. I have made my choice and am happy with it.
>>3079753
I can tell a pretty big difference.
>>3079771
And Link agrees.
>>3079771
Most. You buy the one that doesn't, ya idiot.
>>3079779
Yes, because I can tell at a glance of a stock photo on amazon which ones do. Now go sodomize yourself with a multi-out cable.
>>3079760
Same samsung bluray player for both. Not trying to rub it in anyone's face just posting some crt pics with downscaling.
Just found this but it shuts down after a few minutes, should output 15khz right /crt/?
>>3079775
You could have that exact same result without taking a scalpel to your system. And it would not have cost you very much. I saw your posts on shmups. People didn't really appreciate your work there either. I don't think you'll find much support here if you can't get it there.
>>3079782
That is a really bad pic but it has a 4 pin s video jack.
>>3079781
A SCART cable costs about $12 on ebay. Surely you can't be that poor?
>>3079783
Would have cost more than I wanted to spend and taken another week. I got a RGB monitor locally for a pittance, and wanted to try it out. So I fucking did what needed to be done. Some people supported me, and some were like you and thought that I had committed a crime worthy of death. I don't care. I have RGB amd didn't have to wait weeks, use shitty cables spliced together from two others with all the resultant shielding breakage, and I got to practice soldering.
>>3079782
Yes, if what I'm looking at is a laptop with a TV out. But the issue will be how the GPU mangles and mashes everything into the same 480i signal. You probably won't get pretty 240p from this.
>>3079791
for someone who doesn't care, you sure showoff
>>3079791
Yeah, man. You sound pretty impatient and scrubby. idk. Most people in /vr/ aren't going to be much for drilling holes in a system when there are ways of doing the same thing that won't permanently alter it.
>>3079783
also, gonna point out that playing to the crowd is a fucking stupid thing to do. I was nothing but polite this thread, encouraging someone to try to do something himself, and saying that he could use other cables if he wanted but that I wanted him to realize it's not so hard to pick up the skill yourself.
Then you come along and whine about how you would have done it differently, and how I have sinned by doing it the way that made me happiest. Seriously. You are a douche. I was kind of douchey on the shmups thread, but that was then (a year ago), this is now.
>>3079801
You've become incoherent.
>>3079789
And a SCART to BNC adapter (since I don't fucking use scart) costs how much per foot of cable? I can get five times as much cable, with better shielding, for the cost of that shit. And I'd still have to deal with it using crummy composite video as sync. AND I'd have to wait for it to ship, AND I'd have to do that for each and every one of my consoles.
>>3079804
Read it. It says, "I was being a decent human being, and then you came along and started bitching incessantly about my opinions being different from yours. You are a douche."
>>3079805
40 bucks
wow that's a lot
>>3079785
It'll support 15khz if it has s-video. 480p over s-video doesn't exist in a standard way, even.
>>3079798
Speak for yourself, not the whole board. I prefer to learn things about electronics by doing instead of just buying pre-assembled goods online. I'd pay extra for a TV that I got to build myself.
>>3079808
More than the SNES and my broadcast monitor cost combined. Plus shipping from the UK or wherever.
>>3079805
>And a SCART to BNC adapter (since I don't fucking use scart) costs how much per foot of cable?
Ten dollars on ebay right now for a lot of BNC cables. Enough to splice into your SNES>SCART adapter and make your own SNES>BNC cable. The whole deal put together could be done for about 30 dollars including the price of bits and pieces. Composite sync has been fine for me. I never see any noise or interference. Maybe the image is a bit darker going by some of the comparisons I've seen, but I can live with it.
>>3079814
I have BNC cables, and I care enough about shielding to not ruin them when I have RCA -> BNC adapters. NOW CAN EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT MY SETUP? It works for me, if you don't like it then don't use it. Buy your cables for all I care.
>>3079814
It's not darker if you're using comosite video as sync. The entire picture moves left and right when the screen flashes bright to dark.
>>3079816
>NOW CAN EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT MY SETUP?
Easiest way for that to happen is for you to stop posting.
>>3079817
You claimed what I did was 'debasement'. It offended me that you saw my console as your business, and decided to pass judgement on me for it. You. Are. A. Douche. You didn't have to say anything at all.
Do you use tiger bucks to buy your soldering equipment?
>>3079821
im not that anon
wtf is wrong with you
>>3079819
It shrinks and expands or moves left and right side to side? I've seen the former one. (not related to power supply issues in the CRT)
>>3079823
Someone goes to RIT, I see.
They don't sell soldering equipment on campus.
>>3079821
If you do not want judgement then do not post your images
Stay in your tumblr safespace
>>3079821
>. It offended me that you saw my console as your business, and decided to pass judgement on me for it.
For somebody that has posted on an old style forum like shmups you sure seem new to this internet thing.
>>3079824
Okay, 'he' became aggressive when he called what I did 'debasement' because he wouldn't have done it.
Sorry for confusing two anonymous posters.
>>3079828
Judge if you want, but I had been encouraging someone and then someone decided to go after me for posting it. Now I'm suddenly the one who started it.
Oh hey, look. All the autists are fighting. Place your bets!
>>3079794
Hmm may have to use one of those express card to pci video card adapters. Any recommendations if I decide to go that route? It will be 16 bit and mame emulation only.
>>3079831
You were indulging your vanity. Which is what we do here, so that's fine. But expect unfiltered opinions. This is 4chan after all.
>>3079837
Someone said the RCA jack premise looked interesting but too expensive unless you already knew what you were doing. I tried to encourage him to pick up a soldering iron and try to do some things. It was intended as encouragement.
>>3079801
not that guy but i'm pretty sure you've soured your own rep on /CRT/ before dude. You tend to go overboard.
The same guy posting the same photos spewing the same anti-scart propaganda with the same bitchy replies from those willing to argue unimportant bullshit. Every time.
I want to believe it's all you, brilliant. If so I owe you a Genny Cream Ale.
>>3079672
>That means, the way I read it, that you aren't willing to try to learn to do it yourself.
>>3079706
>Also, screw you. I will do what I want.
>>3079771
>Most cheap multi AV cables lack the populated pins for RGB, you stupid fuck
>>3079781
>Now go sodomize yourself with a multi-out cable.
>>3079801
You're still a douche bro. We all are but you gotta just roll with it instead of trying to be right or defend yourself here.
An argument with a faceless stranger is a pointless endeavor.
>>3079056
ahh, as the developers intended.
>>3079719
guy with the problem here. I just tested it with a multitester and composite video (2 on the diagram) is connected to pin 20 on the scart which means it must be the tv right?
>>3079880
what's the MD model ? wouldn't it be an RGB Megadrive, the french model ?
>>3079836
I would probably try to find a small form factor PC instead.
>>3079056
Man, that image is too freaky. I don't want to stare at it too long.
>>3079926
Got a laugh outta me, good one.
>>3079891
It's an early jap model 1
TEMPO
CHECK IT OUT YA KNOW
>>3080025
ok hmm, can you try a low resolution game ?
one on this list
http://pastebin.com/TM1BTe64
>>3080027
HE MAKES IT FUNKY
AND HE'S GOOD TO GO
>>3079313
>True black
Eh.. Some CRTs do have great black levels - others are trash.
>>3079335
Reminds me of this time I took a picture of a DLP projector with a pretty terrible black level (relatively that is - it was par for the course for budget DLPs). It looked amazing in the picture I took.
Just in case it is unclear, my point here is that you can't judge black level by a photograph.
>>3080052
it was no different. The top half screen seems to be dragging to the left as well as being fuzzy
>>3080106
ok so I guess you should try pure sync, either by
taking composite line through an LM1881
http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/composite-sync-stripper-lm1881/
or taking csync out in the console encoder and using it in place of composite video.
http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/console/sega/md-sync.htm
>>3079765
>It's a 'CHILD'S PLAYTHING' in Woody's words. (Toy Story)
JUST
>>3080134
And some gifs
>>3080203
>>3080204
Damn this one is too big
Free 20l5/militant console modder is about to have a nervous breakdown
>>3079847
I'll repeat: that was then, this is now. I was trying to be helpful and nice. Oh well. I forgot this was 4chan for a while last night, it seems.
>>3079869
>>That means, the way I read it, that you aren't willing to try to learn to do it yourself.
Yes, I was saying that I thought he had a bad mindset concerning these things.
The other ones were after the first guy who insulted me showed up.
Worth a punt?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=231885299925&alt=web
>>3079813
CRT drama
>>3077475
Tempo is cute but the game is kinda boring.
>>3080718
No, the tube is prob fragged.
GUYS HALP.
I got a new (old) CRT this weekend, and natrually, the first thing I did was hook it up and go "Looks great, but oh my, that geometry needs some adjustment! My autism cannot tolerate that very slightly off-centre picture!" So I get on the internet and find out how to get into the service menu. I then happily mess around until I have things looking right.
But for some reason when I exit the service menu, it doesn't remember any of the settings I adjusted, and it's forgotten all its aspect ratios (it's a widecreen with 4:3, 16:9 and a bunch of zoomed modes), so now I'm stuck switching between these fucked up settings. I can still make changes and get things looking OK, but it seems to be totally random as to wether it remembers, and sometimes making changes on one mode will cause changes to another mode, but there doesn't seem to be any pattern to it.
There seems to be a factory reset option but it doesn't actually do anything at all. I think I may have just fucked up my new (old) TV. I've managed to work out some kind of compromise where I've adjusted the two settings it DOES remember into a basic 16:9 and 4:3 shape, but I will miss the zoom modes and shit it had because of all those wierd random games that letterbox or whatever.
What do?
>>3081041
It might use volatile memory to store the settings and the backup battery is dead?
Just a thought
>>3080981
Possibly, but it's got at least double that value in parts. More if there's a BKM-15R included that they're keeping schtum about.
Sorely tempted to make an offer, even if it ends up being a massively heavy coffee table...
>>3081041
>>3081041
just go back to the initial setup. it should be in the beginning of the service menu section of the repair manual. next time write down everything so you can revert the service menu is not consumer friendly and you can fuck your set. probably wont cost much to have a shop do it, guy that does crts here only charges $50 for a full tune up.
>>3080203
hmm really soft on the focus in that one, almost looks filtered.
>>3081041
I know on my monitor if I want to save setting I have to hit degauss once and then again to save my settings
can someone ID this model Trinitron for me?
>>3081280
How do you even find guys that do CRT tune-ups and repairs? I've never seen anything like it were I live.
>>3080456
I'm the only guy that's siding with you, actually. Although you are being sort of a dick. I thought the propaganda line was funny.
I mod as needed. I did, however, buy a bunch of SCART plugs to make my own cables.
In fact, I'm the guy that wanted to play vidja with you, I'm in Fairport.
>>3081363
Looks like a KV-1380R to me
http://www.recycledgoods.com/sony-kv-1380r-13-triton-color-tv-with-built-in-stereo-speakers.html
>>3081439
>http://www.recycledgoods.com/sony-kv-1380r-13-triton-color-tv-with-built-in-stereo-speakers.html
thanks bro
>>3081392
for me it was easy, i live in a small town in bumfuck alaska and called the only tv shop in the phone book. old timer that kept all his stuff.
just call tv repair places until you find one. if everyone turns you down look for the company that services arcade cabs, might have someone that could help you.
What should I be paying for a sony pvm 20l2 with minimal use?
>>3080449
Not him, but nah, soured. Slow down, man. Stop getting defensive, and stop pimping your own shit so hard.
>>3081041
Check for a watch-style coin cell battery that might be being used as a battery backup to preserve settings.
>>3081649
The L2 doesn't accept RGB, right?
I know there was at least one L* model that didn't. I think that's the one.
If so, $60 maybe. I'd only pay $20 but 60's the highest I could possibly imagine someone paying for one.
>>3081908
L2 was the replacement for the M2; RGB and Component standard.
You're thinking of the L1.
>>3081908
that sounds a bit low, I don't see one on ebay right now to check prices, but wouldn't it go for several hundred dollars, at least? I'm asking, mainly because I would like to pickup a PVM, preferably a 480p capable one, but the only time I've seen one for sale, locally, is today, and he wants $1000 for it. Lol.
>>3078745
>Put a bullet between you eyes.
>>3081924
ebay is the worst possible place to look for a PVM or other broadcast monitor besides Amazon.
Check Craigslist and check in with the local TV stations to see if they are getting rid of any CRT's.
On craigslist, it's a bad idea to search for 'PVM'. Just search for CRT's or old TV's or monitors and filter through. Some people might not use the phrase PVM or BVM in their descriptions.
>>3081924
The L2 does not support 480p AFAIK. I know the L5 models do, and those tend to sell around there on ebay. But the L2 I'm pretty sure is 480i only.
I have a 20L5 and it's nice, but not anything worth breaking the bank over. Better to use a VGA PC monitor with a sync stripper (LM1881) to extract vertical sync from composite sync, and then feed vertical into the VGA vsync pin and composite sync into the hsync pin (csync works fine as hsync almost 100% of the time).
>>3081985
By 'around there' I meant I've seen them sell around $300-$500. The engineer at the local fox station wanted to pay me to haul the 20L5 that I got away.
>>3081985
>with a sync stripper (LM1881) to extract vertical sync from composite sync, and then feed vertical into the VGA vsync pin and composite sync into the hsync pin (csync works fine as hsync almost 100% of the time)
what for?
>>3081990
480p RGB input from a console.
If you don't have any 480p consoles with RGB, you need to convert YPbPr to RGB. That can be done with a mathematical matrix, or (IIRC) with THS7314 IC's.
>>3081993
so whats the benefit of using a genuine 240p tv over a 480p pc crt with your setup?
>>3081993
Anything console related doing 480p is either going to be RGBHV already, RGsB, or YPbPr.
The former is already VGA ready, ignoring data line; RGsB would be more a monitor reliant thing and would need a slight bit of processing, but for the last one: Nearly anything properly rated for transcoding from 480p+ Component to RGB is going to be expecting outputting VGA as the final result and won't need any sort of further processing as such.
>>3082003
Because what he's talking about would only work with the Dreamcast and newer consoles
I have a dell m770 17" pc crt
is there a calculator online so i can find out what are the max resolutions i can get out of the tube with custom resolution utility?
which refresh rate and max interlace res
and which refresh rate with max progressive res
>>3082024
>Dell M770
With a 70khz horizontal scanning frequency, you'll be able to just barely squeeze out a 4:3 "1080p" (1440x1080) at 60hz.
1152x864@75
and 1024x768@85
Someone posted this last thread, amusingly:
http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
The M770's range is 30-70 horizontal, 50-160 vertical.
>>3082054
how bad do interlaced reses look? i would assume 1080i wont look as flickery as 480i
>>3082073
The refresh rate helps even more than resolution for interlaced video. 80hz looks pretty great interlaced.
How do you guys feel about 3DS VC? Does it compare at all to the CRT experience? If I stick my face in it, I looks pretty to me. I want to replay a bunch of snes games but I don't know whether to settle for that or to wait and find me a trinitron. I don't like replaying games in anything under 3 years so I want to savor this experience and have it looking top notch.
>>3082198
>the CRT experience
Stop romanticizing this shit.
>>3082198
Just go to your local CL free section and pick up the most decent looking CRT TV (make sure it has S-Video inputs at least). It doesn't have to be a Trinitron or one of those meme PVM or BVM sets. This thread is pure autism.
>>3082238
>It doesn't have to be a Trinitron or one of those meme
So, you can't see difference between cheap consumer TV, slightly better consumer Trinitron and 800-line PVM?
>>3080718
It says in the listing that a certified technician determined the tube is dead.
If you want a box of parts, go for it.
>>3082242
You can but a bvm isn't going to change it into an aes. SNES looks great svid on any higher end SD set. Certainly better than a 3ds
>>3082259
Your faith will be rewarded when you get your first Trinitron, you'll be proud to have such a fine set
Got excited for a sec by the one on the right, had Stereo Monitor badging on the front and a form factor like a Mitsubishi presentation monitor, just a budget GE television though. They had two giant rear-projection sets, the one seen in the pic was a 1080i HD set with component ports and a DVI-D Dual Link port in the back
>>3082340
Oh and the one in the middle is a KV-32FS100, SD model. Uno component, uno s-video, tres composite and a single coax. Good for retro, but you'll need to head back to the electronics section and get an a/v switch first
>>3082328
Wow, really? So any trinitron is good? I just literally picked one up from goodwill. it's a KV-13FS110. It doesn't seem to look as amazing as any screenshots here though. Am I just a pleb or is it a lower-end model?
>>3082397
Most shots in here are of proffessional and/or broadcast hardware sometimes with 800+ TV lines, so it's going to be tough to match it.
Trinitron consumer sets are usually all right though.
>>3082407
So would about how many lines should I aim for to settle for a longterm model? About how many would mine have you think? I can't seem to find the number in the manual. I don't know, maybe I'm retarded
>>3082451
240-320
>>3082467
Thanks, anon. Definitely gonna keep my eye out then. For future reference, is there an easy way to look up trinitron scanline counts so I can whip out the phone the next time I pick one up?
>>3082467
>240-320
Wtf? For one, no consumer set lists its TVL at all, let alone in the consumer manual. There are like two exceptions that prove the rule.
The only sets with TVL that low, that actually list it, are like 8" PVMs.
So... how the fuck is he meant to find a set with that TVL?
Here's a Saturn on an 8 incher over RGB.
The line count is 450 TVL if anyone cares to know.
