I remember getting into emulation with Nesticle around 1997. I would spend hours reading all the info on Zophar's Domain. MAME seemed like the greatest achievement of computer science in history. I never did figure out how the fuck Pasofami was supposed to work.
But none of that was "retro". I don't think I even had a PlayStation by that point. NES games were already pretty old, but it all still felt pretty contemporary. Then ZSNES came out, and HOLY FUCK FINAL FUCKING FANTASY V AND SEIKEN FUCKING DENSETSU 3. It was as exciting as a brand new game release. It wasn't "retro" yet.
I feel like there's a lot of hipsterism today, this "only 90s kids will understand" kind of attitude. Well I'm an 80s kid, in fact I just barely missed being a 70s kid, and I think that's full of shit.
When did "retrogaming" turn into some kind of lifestyle choice?
>>3052070
>full of shit
Don't you mean 'hullabaloo'?
Twenty three skidoo!
>>3052074
Get off my lawn before I beat your punk ass with my NES Advantage.
Nah, you are an autist, and you are afraid your hobby is getting popular when it really isn't.
>>3052078
Cheese it, boys!
>>3052079
I couldn't care less how popular it is. I've already got my game collection. The prices on eBay make no difference to me.
I'm talking about the line drawn between "games" and "retro games".
Back then there was a bunch of different emulators by Marat Fayzullin. His page is still up:
http://fms.komkon.org/
I played some stuff with iNES and MasterGear. Roms were kinda hard to come by those days though. I think maybe I got roms from an IRC bot. Marat used to hang out on IRC too, and apparently didn't like people asking him for roms. :->
YouTube/Internet video gamers probably played a part. Some people in their mid/late 20s and 30s started to make internet videos about the games they grew up with (see: GameGrumps, AVGN) and certain younger viewers probably latched onto them and as a result wanted to play these games that were released before their time. The games are old and not played by today's average youngster so they have that "you just aren't refined enough to appreciate this, go back to your Cawadooty" appeal. But who the fuck knows.
>>3052106
>"you just aren't refined enough to appreciate this, go back to your Cawadooty"
It's funny how fucking spot on this is though. Most people these days lack the attention span required to play older games.
>>3052091
>I'm talking about the line drawn between "games" and "retro games".
Kek, retrofaggot shit, nostalgia and a recognition of ancient shit has been a thing since...well since games began.
Here, have a pic from a retro game where a character basically tells you that you're a faggot, screams at you to git gud because you're a filthy casual who just doesn't appreciate anything other than gay fuccboi modern games.
>>3052070
"Retrogaming" is not a lifestyle choice.
I'm not particularly fond of the word Retro either, but after a certain point, you need to stop taking offense and realise that the word "Retro" instantly communicates what is meant, and since there is no other preferred other term more suitable, that's now the word for it.
That's how language works.
Also can it with that 90s/80s/70s kid bullshit. It's the most broad in-joke imaginable, pulled out of the closet by every generation who wants to lord it over another for something really pedestrian.
That's all I have energy for. OP, fuck off and act like an adult.
>>3052112
>Most people these days lack the attention span required to play older games.
Stop patting yourself on the back, because that isn't true. The reason the kids nowadays don't have the "attention span" is because they maybe just aren't impressed by the more primitive games they haven't tried before.
Kids with their remote control cars, they aren't like MY generation, they haven't got the attention span required for the Stick and Hoop.
Can we stop these pointless generation wars and just accept that our generation wasn't the first, isn't the greatest and won't be the last?
>>3052112
>Most people these days lack the attention span required to play older games.
>>3052070
thread theme
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dWzauRfg7g
Am I crazy or did "retro" games used to be called "classic" games
>>3052112
If a GAME cannot keep the attention span of a CHILD it means either that child has been spoiled by more engaging or suitable entertainment, or it was never very entertaining to begin with.
This argument is just self-congratulatory and ultimately fucking stupid.
Games are just toys that require a tv.
>>3052118
>Also can it with that 90s/80s/70s kid bullshit.
That's what I was saying in the first place. Read like an adult, sonny.
>>3052130
>Read like an adult, sonny.
>mfw you have to be at least a 90s kid in order to actually be a legal adult.
>:^)
>>3052130
>I feel like there's a lot of hipsterism today, this "only 90s kids will understand" kind of attitude. Well I'm an 80s kid, in fact I just barely missed being a 70s kid, and I think that's full of shit.
I'm saying the whole "only [decade] kids will understand" is stupid. You're saying "I'm not part of that group, i'm part of this group, nearly this one"
Try again.Btw, your age doesn't automatically make you wise or worth listening to. As time goes on you are only going to be more and more outclassed by people born after you became an adult
>>3052128
That's a fallacy.
Heroin and gambling are addictions that can take your attention away from other rewarding and entertianing activities. That doesn't mean heroin is superior.
>>3052128
There's a pretty clear difference in the general design philosophy of retro games, though.
Today's games, by and large, are billed as interactive "experiences" where there's basically zero challenge, and you're just going through the very simple paint-by-numbers gameplay to see the story or somehow feel like a badass because you mashed X long enough to see the cutscene where your character does something cool.
While old games were lamented as quarter munchers by people who didn't get them, they rode the fine line between fun and punishment to give a far more intense experience than anything coming out today. Too hard, and players give up. Too easy, and players got bored. Somewhere along the way, people stopped caring about the games being too easy, because they instead focused on the story elements to derive entertainment from.
There are plenty of very easy, story-based games that are great fun. Take the Ace Combat series, or Planescape: Torment. They're easy, but they still have fail states. Thanks to an insane number of checkpoints, "downtime" in modern games has been reduced to well under 30 seconds instead of the minute or two that was typical of older titles. Being able to get back to where you were before in 10 seconds isn't enough of a punishment for dying.
>>3052137
>I'm saying the whole "only [decade] kids will understand" is stupid.
So am I. I revealed my approximate age to give an indication of my perspective so you know where I'm coming from, not to impose some kind of innate superiority.
Obviously I expect to be judged by the quality of my words and ideas, just as I judge you by yours.
>>3052138
I stand by what I said, I do not think there is any fallacy being applied. You're the one equating it to a large field like addiction.
What are you even trying to say?
>>3052139
>to give a far more intense experience than anything coming out today.
Obvious bias.
I grew up with these games too, and while I still enjoy them, I don't think they are inherently superior. The quarter-muncher qualities are from a time when home consoles tried to give you the arcade experience at home.
As convenient as it is for your argument, are you really confident stating that EVERY modern release is a checkpoint-laden cutscene with zero challenge, just because those kinds of games do exist?
>>3052145
I revealed my approximate age to give an indication of my perspective so you know where I'm coming from, not to impose some kind of innate superiority.
Except your age is not relevant in this argument. If you dislike a trend, you do not need to qualify your dislike by alluding to your age on an anonymous message board.
>>3052159
>Except your age is not relevant in this argument.
It's not like you couldn't guess my age from the first two paragraphs anyway.
Besides, it's a perfectly valid argument to say "You just like retro games because you're old and that's what you grew up with." I don't agree with that statement, but it's a valid argument based on age.
But forget it. Nobody likes to read two pricks bitching at each other. Just pretend I'm a 13 year old kid lying out his ass.
What makes something "retro"? Are modern games so fundamentally different from what came before that "retro" deserves a separate category? Or is it simply a matter of time? Is the PS2 already retro? If not, when?
>>3052128
Even kids had good attention span in the 80's, before the Internet. At least when it came down to playing games on your C64 or whatever you happened to have.
There were less distractions, and also there were less games. You played what you had, and some games that weren't so great got played anyway becuase it was a change of pace at least.
>>3052126
No you're not
>>3052120
>Stop patting yourself on the back, because that isn't true. The reason the kids nowadays don't have the "attention span" is because they maybe just aren't impressed by the more primitive games they haven't tried before.
There is empirical research proving that kids these days have worse attention spans than previous generations.
And it isn't the fault of modern games, but just technology in general.
When you click on a web link these days you expect the page to immediately load. 15 years ago you expected to wait a while, and were used to patiently waiting.
When you want to look up something 15 years ago, you had to wait until you got home before you got on the internet, unlike the instant access provided by phones now. 20 years ago it was the same if you wanted to contact a friend while on the move.
I think the expectations of what a game is has become totally different.
The arcade ethos was "this game is so hard, it'll break your dick off!" Games didn't really have a story, they had a _premise._ Games were a challenge that you overcame with patience and hard work.
Modern games can be very challenging indeed, but outside of competitive multiplayer, they're always pushing you gently toward the finish line. It's about the experience, not the challenge.
Modern games are like rollercoasters. You hop on, ride, and then hop off. It's fun and exhilarating and something you want to do over and over again.
Retro games are like downhill skiing. It's cold and wet and difficult, and if you fuck up, you might get slammed into a tree. But if you take the time to master a downhill course, you walk away with a real sense of accomplishment.
>>3052207
Finally a good argument about the difference that doesn't instantly betray bias.
>>3052216
And it was OP all along! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH
>>3052070
Yes I agree. There was a time in the 90s where you could emulate SNES and NES on stuff like ZSNES, but before PS1 and N64 had really developed. For me it was the same era as neopets and the early 2d runescape.
You've inspired me to search for old sites I used, here's an archive of neofooty's SNES rom site, which allowed to play Harvest moon and FF6 for the first time (I went for what his "reviews" recommended")
http://web.archive.org/web/20020826111738/http://members.madasafish.com/~neofooty/download.html
In those days you didn't have big archives. Bittorent was not invented. No wikipedia. You just had lots of small homemade sites to find your games and your guides. It was a really unique time in history come to think of it. I had my own little webpage with pictures of dragonballz characters, and some fake runescape pictures of "poo armor", which I found hilarious.
Science fiction fandom has a saying: "The Golden Age is 12".
Meaning, the best science fiction is whatever was popular when you were 12 years old.
So one way to define retro games would be anything released before your 12th birthday.
In OP's case, I guess that leaves only SpaceWar, chess, and that Indian game with the stones.
>>3052126
I used to post on the classic gaming board on gamefaqs many years ago. It's funny, I remember people were getting upset about calling n64 and psx games "classic games" because they hadn''t even been around 10 years yet.
Boy, times sure haven't changed.
For the record, I'm totally fine with the word "retro". It's the hipster attitude I don't like. As if playing FDS games and buying Zelda teacosies off Etsy puts you above and beyond the unwashed masses of normal gamers. The smug, "I'm better than you" retrogaming culture, if you will. Am I the only one who experiences this?
I think there is a clear distinction between arcade-style games and modern cinematic games, but remember that "cinematic" FMV games and the like have been around for a LOOONG time.
>>3052256
But that's Christmas 1994. I'm missing some of my favorite games.
>>3052272
I think the smug attitude is totally justified when you look at what gaming has become.
I'm sorry, but if you derive any pleasure from the latest Halo, CoD, or AssRed, you deserve to be looked upon with scorn.
>>3052272
Totally agree. There's definitely an elitist attitude in the "retrogaming subculture". But keep in mind, pretty much any niche activity has elitism. When you've been a part of a community for years and discussed everything to death it's frustrating to have to answer questions that seem like common knowledge.
>>3052276
I liked cod up until ghosts. It was a fun war game. I am also playing mgs3, chrono, dkc3, Pokémon snap and parasit eve . Fite me
Most westerners don't get it.
''Retro'' doesn't have the same connotation in Japan.
''Retro'' is simply used to describe games released on a certain timeframe.
Videogames are timeless.
The west takes it as a trendy thing
>''oh gee look at me, I'm playing on the 64, I'm so retro!''
>''I'm a retrogamer!''
So to answer OP, never, it never was a lifestyle, it's just pathetic hipster trash.
>>3052112
I play many games though, most people don't fit neatly into one "type" of game player.
>>3052303
What exactly is so "hip" about playing old games anyway?
I've found I piss people off regardless of what I'm playing at the time.
If I'm playing the Uncharted Collection on my PS4 im a plebian who doesn't understand real games.
If I'm playing Luciennes Quest on my nodded 3DO I'm a special snowflake starved for attention who clings to the past.
Just play video games fuck.
>>3052241
Nice!
Back in those days it wasn't "retro", it was just piracy. We danced around it (if you download romz you must delete them within 24 hours!), but that's basically what it was.
>>3052313
Pretty much, it's sad that /vr/ has fallen so quickly to /v/'s tune.
>>3052343
>if you download romz you must delete them within 24 hours!
S...Sure!
>>3052343
>Back in those days it wasn't "retro", it was just piracy. We danced around it (if you download romz you must delete them within 24 hours!), but that's basically what it was.
That's still a thing you know
>>3052303
Careful now, you almost sound like a Japanophile hipster.
I think retro maybe isn't as trendy in Japan(because Japan is still stuck in the past), but there's been a big Famicom revival in the last few years.
And every other year another company tries to bring back JRPGs just like "the good old days". The latest one is Squeenix's "pure fantasy true RPG", Ikenie to Yuki no Setsuna. But I love JRPGs, so what am I complaining about.
>>3052120
Ive met a number of children who have been interested in older games, you kust have to introduce it to them correctly.
>>3052070
>When did "retrogaming" turn into some kind of lifestyle choice?
I think you're confusing the disgust of modern games with retro culture.
>>3052385
It's not a matter of introducing correctly, it's a matter of introducing first
We didn't had the commodities of modern gaming so we jumped straight into the hardships of older ones. We never had anything else to compare so it was fine.
Kids today have cellphones and modern games with tutorials and commodities all around, if they were already introduced to modern games it will be really hard for them to get interested in retro, not because they're lazy, not because they're dumb, just because it's different. If you never give a cellphone or ps4 to your son, live in the middle of the woods where he can't play with any other kid that have one, and then give him a NES and some games, he's going to love that shit just like you loved back in your days even when he's born way after 2000
It's just a matter of perspective and people are too harsh to judge
>>3052406
Yes, but I have successfully introduced older games to kids with modern gaming available to them, and so long as they understand the background of when it came out and you let them play it for some time im sure they'll accept it. I mean contrary to popular belief, kids can be more open minded than some adults... And while i could be wrong about all this, the experience ive had with this sort of thing points to it working most of the time.
>>3052112
My attention span is shit, that's why I preffer old games which chuck you into the action and constantly throw enemies at you to interactive movies.
If anything, younger kids like retro games better, because you just slam in the cartridge and press start. No long load times, no lengthy intro dialog, no cutscenes, just pure gameplay.
It's when they hit puberty that they start wanting the big spectacle and the 3edgy4me power fantasy. Press A to be a badass. *whoosh* *clang* "Peace is a lie, there is only passion." *BOOM* *dubstep*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9dg8PI2sEg
>>3052070
>Well I'm an 80s kid, in fact I just barely missed being a 70s kid, and I think that's full of shit.
It's nothing new, if you think back there were kids you went to school with who worshiped 70's era rock or the Beatles. There are always people interested in the culture before their time.
All that happened is you finally got old enough to see that happen to something you once saw as new. Congrats, you're getting old. It really is a privilege denied to many.
Also... don't waste time giving any fucks what the kids of today are thinking or doing because I guarantee they don't give any fucks about you. Just enjoy your life and let the 16 year olds wear Mario hats to the prom if they want.
>>3052091
>I'm talking about the line drawn between "games" and "retro games".
There is no line. Here on this board we have a whishy washy definition to keep posts under a certain umbrella, but what's actually retro is constantly changing. The hot shit of today is going to be the retro hipster fuel for kids in 20 years.
>>3052445
You have to be pretty ignorant to not see the difference between retro and modern games.
>>3052448
I've had this conversation here too many times. Of course there are differences between games of 20 years ago and games of today. Things are always changing, games will always be changing. But there are no clear lines, there are a million small ones. Limited to unlimited color pallets, 3D, high resolution, online gaming, etc etc etc.
One can draw lines along console generations, but they're still largely pointless. "Retro" is constantly shifting.
>>3052457
And I hear the "argument" that modern shit should be retro. I think you're just ignorant about it.
1st through 5th gen are vastly different to 6th gen and later.
>>3052445
>The hot shit of today is going to be the retro hipster fuel for kids in 20 years.
I think that rule is broken now
Look at movies. Nobody gives a fuck about Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, and a new Star Wars just came out, made two billion dollars and zero impact.
The age of the "pop culture phenomenon" is dead, and it's probably because there are no shared experiences anymore, the Internet allows anyone to create any media environment they want.
>>3052070
No, look, nowadays you have a lot of people, in fact it seems to be the majority, who can't even stand playing games from before 2000. I mean, really. So people who actually like or prefer that kind of game have a particular preference that isn't necessarily taken into account or catered to in the ways they would like. So that simply makes it opportune for people to form a kind of subculture around it. In fact this explains why you don't get it. You have more experience with these games from the moment in time they were new in the first place. The younger you are, the more you depend on a retro subculture to familiarize yourself with that generation of games.
There's nothing wrong with people practicing subcultures in itself, you know. You don't have to throw around accusations of hipsterdom at every single fucking niche interest in existence.
>>3052469
>zero impact.
Are you retarded?
I'm serious.
I don't even like those movies. I still see their shit everywhere. Star Wars toys especially.
>>3052461
I didn't say it should be retro, I'm saying it eventually will be because time exists. Like it or not, in 20 years Metal Gear Solid V will look retro.
If you want "retro" to mean 16 bit or 240p or whatever, then I suggest changing your vernacular.
>>3052469
>The age of the "pop culture phenomenon" is dead
This is true in many ways, but people will still build their own nostalgia around the specific cultures they experienced.
If you think Force Awakens had zero impact, I don't think you've been paying attention or interact with many children. That steaming pile has kids obsessed.
>>3052476
>I didn't say it should be retro, I'm saying it eventually will be because time exists. Like it or not, in 20 years Metal Gear Solid V will look retro.
This is the difference between an enthusiast and you normal casual gamer.
6th gen and later will never be retro. They play nothing like the past gens. Even how you bought the games was different.
I get there's a lot of dumbasses in this hobby like yourself. Why that makes this hobby the ONLY hobby were old shit = lump into one category really makes me scratch my head. No one else does that.
>>3052457
>"Retro" is constantly shifting.
I disagree.
Because retro isn't a shared definition, what is retro for me, born in 88, isn't retro for kids born in the 00's or old codgers born in the 70's.
Fact is retro is a generational concept, it doesn't magically change meaning with time, but rather with generations of people, and no matter what PS2/Dreamcast/GBA/XBOX/GC will never EVER be retro for me.
>>3052469
>it's probably because there are no shared experiences anymore
You kidding me? There are shared experience, if anything there are way too many, too much shared experience, that's precisely why things don't leave the impact they used to until the 90's, and mind you, it's not simply because you have them at your fingertips, it's just that there's too much stimuli compared to twenty years ago, that has rendered many people less sensitive, especially children today, they're constantly doing something on their 3DS/phones/tablet/computers but they're not doing anything well, it's a constant shift of attention, people today have to juggle an immense amount of material, we're constantly, passively exposed and bombarded by media and content of all kinds, it's only natural that today's people are massively desensitized and media is largely oriented on shock value rather than content depth.
If something doesn't catch people's attention today it's worthless, hence the huge shift in marketing oriented on fast previews of content, especially in videogames, remember the 90's ads with those headlines directed to the player, usually challenging him? They're gone today, for a good reason, not even tits and asses are handled to you in the same ways of the 80's or 90's, everything's an aseptic show of pretty lights and performance rather than content, not to say that there wasn't something like that in the past too, but today that's the more prominent way to catch people's interest, it's a war to get enough attention span to make people buy a movie ticket or a game.
>>3052487
>6th gen and later will never be retro.
You need a dictionary. That word you're using doesn't mean what you think it means. What you mean is they mostly won't play like 8 and 16 bit games. No argument there. But if you think that means they won't at some point be retro then you simply need to learn English better.
I've never denied there are differences, but changes are constantly happening. You don't see the difference between newer generations because you don't pay attention to them as much as you paid attention to older games.
>>3052506
We aren't discussing the meaning of retro retard. The title is "Retro games". It's the name for a specific time period of video games.
>>3052505
>will never EVER be retro for me.
And that doesn't matter. Because retro isn't specific to you. No one anywhere cares about your personal experience. Retro is the imitation of things from the recent past. That it changes constantly with time is in the definition of the word.
>>3052510
>The title is "Retro games". It's the name for a specific time period of video games.
And I'm explaining to you that you're using the word completely wrong. Definitions of words don't change just because you want them to. If English isn't a second language for you, you should be ashamed.
>>3052520
>And I'm explaining to you that you're using the word completely wrong.
One more time, dumbass.
I'm not arguing the meaning of the word retro. The title is "Retro Games".
>>3052461
The 5th gen has far more in common with the current gen than the 1st.
>>3052527
No it really doesn't. And I know exactly what you're going to say. So go ahead so I can laugh my ass off.
>>3052524
>The title is "Retro Games".
What title is that? What the fuck are you even talking about at this point? That's not the title of the thread, what title are you referring to?
Saying you think something made today will never be retro because it's not from a specific time period is completely and factually wrong.
If you want to lump gens 1-6 together and everything else as something separate then go for it. But don't try to use the word "retro" because it's already being taken up describing something else.
>>3052535
I didn't make the title up. Nor am I the only one to lump those consoles together. Pretty much anyone who can call themselves an enthusiast for this hobby would.
>>3052527
Don't waste your time debating that with him. You can lay out every major change in gaming history and show how it's been shifting constantly, but he will always insist 6th gen is some kind of magical permanent marker bigger than any other in all of video game history. I honestly think he has mental issues.
>>3052545
Sorry kid but unlike you I look at this objectively.
>>3052548
>kid
We've also been over this.
>>3052439
You are too serene and enlightened to be posting on 4chan. But thanks.
>>3052472
Insightful post. You're right that I shouldn't complain too much. I'm as much a part of this niche as anyone else. I have stupid shit like a Luigi plushie and little Dragon Quest slimes on my desk, so I'm guilty as charged.
I'm just bemused and somewhat bewildered by the transition from the old emu/romz scene to the current "retrogaming" scene, and wanted to hear about other people's experiences.
>>3052556
It's really the only conclusion I can come to. Thinking someone as mental invalid as you enjoys the same hobby as me while attempting to change it.. I mean I know I'm giving you too much credit by calling you a kid.
I bought a Famiclone back in 1997.
I grew up with one as a kid in the late 80s, and by 1997 I already had the N64, PS1 and Saturn, as well as a PC, and my old famiclone was broken, or maybe I had given it away. Anyway I felt the urge to play old games again, also fueled by my obsession with Dragon Ball Z and Saint Seiya at the time, and I was able to find carts of both Saint Seiya and Dragon Ball Z for the famicom (I had DBZ games for SNES, Genesis and PS1, but Saint Seiya games, only on Famicom back then).
I don't know if this is what the thread is about but yeah, that was the first time I went back to the past.
I remember even the guy at the vidya store I was a regular told me "dude, you have all the newest systems and you want an old family game?" heh
>>3052560
>I'm just bemused and somewhat bewildered by the transition from the old emu/romz scene to the current "retrogaming" scene, and wanted to hear about other people's experiences.
I hear ya, but I really do think this is all just part of getting older and starting to notice culture changing around you.
When I was in highschool I was a massive DR. Who nerd, but being a Dr Who nerd in the 80's is vastly different from being on in the 00's. I don't even like the show it's become, but I also have to recognize that it's not really for me anymore.
It's the same thing with Star Wars. Seeing it for the first time completely blew my mind and at the same time completely baffled my father with my obsession. Now it's exactly the same, I watched the new movie and found it dull and pandering. But walking out of the theatre I was surrounded by big smiling faces of younger people who loved it. And to them I say enjoy!
>>3052520
Sigh.
Kids, you don't get it. You will never get it or understand. Because you were brought up in a time where games became something else completely. Marketed to people with the sole intention of gaining a new market of NON-GAMERS. Games that put gameplay and quality on the back burner for a slick presentation and other bullshit to appeal to people that don't understand that said gameplay and quality is ALL THAT FUCKING MATTERS IN GAMES.
Mario 64, Metal Gear Solid, the tons of other shitware for PS1 and N64, the growing influence of linear snorefest FPS games like Half-Life, and so on. Manufactured and tailored toward people who didn't respect gaming and what it was. A move to 3d graphics to further appeal to people who don't realize that 3d graphics are not a good fit for many different types of games.
Retro when applied to gaming is a term that specifies a SPECIFIC era of gaming. Pre-1995 is a very good cutoff date. Sure, there are a handful of games past that date that are still good, and games before that were bad. But if you're going to choose a date where the face of gaming changed -- when a new era began and everything before that was the classic, retro era where gaming was all about a certain mindset of gaming being more than just a flashy presentation to people that don't give a shit that the camera in a 3d platformer spins around like it's on fucking crack and ruins gameplay, and that modern "gamers" had to compensate by learning the game like it was Dragon's Lair, playing the game in a response to its flaws instead of in anticipation to a rigid structure that respected the player.
Please, if you're going to talk about such flawed "gaming", go to /v/ with the rest of the fools and idiots. /vr/ is RETRO GAMING. Gaming back when gaming, for the most part, made sense.
Fucking children. I swear to living fuck, the millennials are ruining every single good thing in our lives.
>>3052487
>6th gen and later will never be retro. They play nothing like the past gens. Even how you bought the games was different.
I dunno dude. If VR takes off in a big way this year, EVERYTHING up to now is going to turn retro really damn quick.
>>3052431
>"Peace is a lie, there is only passion."
lmao
>>3052070
since the market was flooded for nostalgia goggle indie pixelshit games. so since cave story? then the whole xbox indie/psn was flooded with them. bit trip, vvvvvv, now undertale...god i wish they would all just get nuked with every faggot who plays them
and damn do i love the sight of a 240p game displayed on a small crt. japan gets it
>>3052578
>tv and movies aren't how they used to be
Again, this is because the modern generation is falling victim to a bad trend in tv and movie making that doesn't respect its audience. Don't blame yourself, don't call it "not for me."
It's been simply ruined by greedy fucks that don't care about quality, and the dumbfucks in the modern generation that happily eat it up.
Same with gaming. Don't accept it. Get mad and help fix it.
>>3052589
and all this stupid shit we're quibbling about is going to matter about as much as the difference between Kansas City jazz and Bebop to later generations.
>>3052586
>Kids, you don't get it. You will never get it or understand. Because you were brought up in a time where games became something else completely.
I'm 43. This isn't just stuff I'm making up off the top of my head. I guarantee, if you ask what constitutes a retro game in 20 years or 40 years you will not get pre-1995.
What you're really talking about is a golden age or something similar.
>>3052589
ALL the VR systems right now are a new way to play old games. There's only a handfull of actual VR games and they're tech demos.
It's interesting to think about but I doubt it'll happen. What's mainstream now is what beaners and Russians can play on their toasters. Indie shit, DOTA, CS, etc
>>3052597
>Again, this is because the modern generation is falling victim to a bad trend in tv and movie making that doesn't respect its audience.
Patently wrong.
>>3052602
>I'm 43
>still falling for ancient copy pasta
>>3052606
You got an extra set of those blinders you're wearing?
>>3052608
Alzheimer's is fun.
>>3052617
To be fair the guy did modify it a bit and he didn't post the Mario 64 review pic that time.
>>3052560
I think the transistion also the slow realization that video games aren't made from rainbows and sunshine, but by people working hard on them.
Now people want to pay the workers and companies behind them back somehow, along with the realization that creative business is volatile and competetive.
>>3052616
Crappy movies being popular isn't a new thing. And you're calling me young? Come on.
>>3052632
We aren't talking about crappy movies.
We're talking about movies that are an insult.
This thread is funny because you can clearly tell who the young (or dangerously naive) people are because they have no perspective.
>>3052645
That's how I felt about Moonraker when I saw it. That's my point.
>>3052652
Man please. You can find something to enjoy about that movie. It's not even that bad. It just had such high expectations.
This pile of shit on the other hand. I would love for you to explain how it's not a slap in the face to everyone.
>>3052645
That movie tanked, dipshit. Nice cherry picking though.
>>3052656
Do you not think bad movies existed before the last few years?
Do you know why you can't think of any bad movies from the past? It's because we look at the past through rose tinted glasses. We don't remember the bad stuff, only the good stuff.
That's why nostalgia is such a powerful thing and why it's easy to think that old things are better than newer things. It happens in every single generation.
Nobody will remember those shitty movies. 20 years from now they'll be talking about all of the great movies that came out during this time. And the people saying that will have been kids during this time.
Do you not see how the cycle repeats forever and ever?
>>3052656
But you're picking things that had a terrible public reception. At least Moonraker was popular even though I didn't like it. There have always been super shitty movies.
>>3052661
>>3052663
Man I love shitty scifi movies from the 50s on up. Handful from the late 30s and 40s outside the war that are great too.
I know all about bad movies. Watch all of mst3k and most of rifftrax.
Modern movies aren't bad. They're insulting.
Step 1: Take a name that is know.
Step 2: Shit all over that fucking name
>>3052675
If you like mst3k and rifftrax then you don't like bad movies you like laughing at bad movies.
You can still laugh at modern bad movies. Again this is all a perspective thing. You don't like it because it sucks and/or it's popular. If it came out 20 years ago though you'd think it's so bad its good.
>>3052683
>You can still laugh at modern bad movies.
I really can't which is why I and many other pep ale say they're insulting.
Shit like this? This whole line of Transformers is fucking trash. You can't even make fun of it anymore. It's just the same forced gay or racial jokes and explosions.
I would love to see someone make fun of those movies. It would at least be entertaining.
The only joke is just "wow this exists and people paid to watch it".
>>3052675
I watch new bad movies with the same eyes I watch old bad movies. It's all fun. I got kind of a kick out of Jem for how bad it was.
>>3052690
>I would love to see someone make fun of those movies. It would at least be entertaining.
Nah, the nu-male directors would bash you in all the popular media and tell you how empowering those movies are.
>>3052690
When you're laughing at a bad movie from the 50's, part of what you're laughing at is the cultural differences between then and now. That's not something you'll get with newer movies.
>>3052690
People already make fun of those movies all the time. They'll be the laughing stock of cinema for years to come.
>>3052690
I found Madd Max Fury Road insultingly bad and that's a movie that has genuine critical praise. That hurts a little.
>>3052690
>I would love to see someone make fun of those movies.
Is this your first day on the internet that you haven't seen people making fun of Bayformers?
>>3052695
>>3052704
>>3052708
Movies like the ones I listed are made to profit off nostalgia. That's what I'm getting at. They take a name that is known by the public and then make a movie with no care to the original source material.
These movies are insulting because the source material means something to me or someone else. They take something that someone loves and shits on it.
That is not something that happened in the past. Maybe can argue with books but book adaptations have always been hit and miss.
>>3052705
Do you have a link to someone making fun it that's actually funny?
>>3052717
You mentioned rifftrax
http://www.rifftrax.com/transformers
I haven't seen it, but it's probably funny enough.
>>3052714
I'm not talking about Bay humor. That isn't what something like mst3k did. That wasn't why they were great. They just made fun of bad movies.
>>3052175
Retro to me is just a time cutoff. Eventually we'll come up with better terms or just refer to periods of time. You might refer to gaming periods with terms like "pre-crash" or "5th generation" now, and in the future it could just be 80's, 90's, etc.
I'd say what we talk about here as being retro vs. modern, in the most popular of games, is a difference in how they work. A popular game in the 'retro' period likely focused more on being a challenge to overcome, while a popular game in the 'modern' period is defined as an experience to be had. You might also call /vr/ material by something like "20th century" or "pre-milennium" but that will only really say anything with the passage of time. As it is i'd say "retro" is a sweeping cover for anything that isn't current or last generation or for anything that doesn't make someone feel uncomfortable when they call it old.
>>3052720
Ya I think that's the first movie. I haven't seen it.
>>3052717
Never mind the fact that you're getting worked up because someone made a shitty cash in on some nerd fiction you enjoyed, but the idea that people have never cashed in on nostalgia before is ridiculous. Nostalgia is not some recent concept, this shit has been going on since the dawn of time.
What do you think the fucking renaissance was? A bunch of faggots got together and said, "Man remember all these old classics? These guys sure had the right idea."
Then they started churning out their own shit based on the old shit. I can guarantee you it wasn't all Shakespeare.
>>3052717
>They take something that someone loves and shits on it.
Transformers was made from the ground up to sell toys to children. If you have so much nostalgia for it that a new generation of pandering giant robot shit upsets you, that's your problem not mine. You shouldn't have made cartoons into sacred cows in the first place.
>>3052729
Stop kid.
Cashing in on nostalgia is a new thing. The term nostalgically profitable was coined because of it.
We aren't talking about random exceptions. The market right now is all about nostalgic profitability.
>>3052741
>nostalgically profitable
I just googled it and the only reference I found to that phrase was from The nostalgia critic of all people.
lol eat shit
>>3052741
Man you're so right. Everything popular these days is just a reboot of an 80's franchise. FML.
>>3052752
Doug Walker uses the term a lot. As do other reviewers.
>>3052756
LOTR Does Porno: The TV Series
>>3052756
HOLY SHIT AN EXCEPTION EXISTS! MAN YOU SHOULD WRIGHT A BOOK ABOUT HOW THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND ABSOLUTES.
Seriously kid. Get out more.
>>3052757
>Doug Walker
>some e-celeb
Well there goes your argument.
>>3052767
He's been around since before you had your first tablet, champ.
>>3052764
You make a list of rebooted franchises and I'll give you a list twice as long of new ones.
>>3052768
Holy shit, I never thought I'd see an actual Nostalgia Critic fan in the wild. This is a very rare opportunity. I'm going to call up Nat Geo.
>>3052768
I've never owned a tablet. I still had to look him up to see who you were talking about and you're using a yourtube celebrity as your source. That's pretty pathetic. But it does at least explain a lot of where this is coming from.
>>3052772
And guess which ones will be insults?
>>3052779
That wasn't even more source.
Just type in nostalgia profitable and see how news hits you get.
>>3052781
>whaaaa they're not doing my 80's toy cartoon justice
Grow up and stop caring about what corporations do with the garbage they shoveled down your childhood gullet.
What exactly are you even asking here? You're saying NES games weren't considered retro when you were emulating them in 1997, for example. Well yeah, it was release in the states in 1985, so that's a 12 year gap. It's in that weird grey area where some people would say it's retro and some people wouldn't. I mean, 12 years ago from now was 2002, and that's officially not retro by our board rules, although there's still some dissention about it.
I'm just looking at your post and I can't seem to get my head around it. You can't seem to grip the idea that "retro" is subjective. Everything you said in your post is so profoundly stupid in a way that I can't even begin to tackle.
>>3052752
You might want to check your browser for malware, I just did a Google search and Nostalgia Critic is yet to be seen on page 3.
>>3052840
Did you use quotes?
I didn't even get three pages with quotes. It was all from pretty much the same source. Some guy talking about the nostalgia critic and the new goosebumps movie or some shit.
>>3052717
>These movies are insulting because the source material means something to me or someone else. They take something that someone loves and shits on it.
>That is not something that happened in the past.
Oh but it did.
In the 1950s, science fiction (as in books and magazines) was entering a golden age, and writers like Asimov, Heinlein, and Clarke delivered powerful, mind-expanding visions of the future to a generation of young nerds.
At the same time, Hollywood piggybacked onto the rising popularity of sf by creating some of the worst science fiction movies of all time, over and over again. This is where mst3k gets much of its source material, by the way. It was an insult, an utter desecration, of science fiction literature, and sf fans were pissed. Hollywood took these nuanced stories about humanity's future and reduced them to space westerns with bug-eyed monsters (BEMs).
About 20 years later, George Lucas rehashed all the asinine trash he watched as a 1950s kid to create Star Wars, which was nothing if not a megadose of nostalgia for old science fiction fans. The rest is history.
Nostalgia has ALWAYS been profitable.
>>3052840
Screenshot a google search for "nostalgically profitable" including the quotation marks and show us then.
>>3052851
?
>>3052830
>Everything you said in your post is so profoundly stupid in a way that I can't even begin to tackle.
It's ok champ, just do the best you can.
>>3052864
Serious question, do you really think saying champ and kid all the time helps you in any way? Do you think if you act like a condescending dick that people will take you seriously?
>>3052860
First response is even Nostalgia Critic. You are fucking retarded.
>>3052830
I think the point was that the concept of "retro" didn't really exist back then. To which you might say, "Well no shit fuckface, video games were still a brand new medium back then." But they weren't really. Arcades were already about 25 years old by 1997, but emulating with MAME back then wasn't retro, it was just playing games.
>>3052892
>retro didn't exist back then
How fucking dumb are you?
>>3052883
Welcome to 4chan. Is this your first visit?
>>3052901
Haven't you been reading the thread? He's catastrophically dumb.
>"Peace is a lie, there is only passion."
>>3052914
Hahaha, I thought this was made up to mock shit writing, but it's actually a quote from Star Wars.
>>3052919
Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy!
>>3052070
Because emulators are mainstream now. It's that simple. Now that old games have save states. Accessibility in previously challenging games has gone way up, and kids can have checkpoints at a rate that makes a Gears of War player blush. Throw in HD filters and a dose of first part Nintendo IP, and you have a mixture fit for a micro-attention trend follower.
>>3052307
Just as hip as wearing outdated clothes, playing vinyls, and collecting old toys. It's just easy hipster cred and time has made the picks of what to get easier with the internet.
>>3052070
>tfw no qt3.14 asiangf to play retro vidyas with
>>3052951
>micro-attention trend follower.
top kek
>>3052964
>top kek
Like you, kid.
>>3052969
I'm a micro follower of trend attention, champ.
>>3052974
Don't micro-follow me, kid.
>>3052070
"retro" is an arbitrary line drawn by the mods of /vr/ to decide what we can and can't discuss on this board.
what actually is "retro" constantly changes as time goes forward, and sometimes people get nostalgic for older games they played during their childhood. Nostalgia has always been there, it's just that the internet allows you to see more of it.
There were less older games during something like the snes days, so there were less people playing them. But nowadays we have tons of generations and thousands of games that are considered "retro", so there will be more interest in it.
>>3053154
On video game forums people like that were quite common. I remember butting heads with them all the time. There really were people who thought NES was the death of gaming.
>>3052487
every generation goes through huge changes, your nostalgia just blinds you to them
>wow i can't play this shitty zelda game with watching some dumb cutscene first? this is nothing like when I was playing on my atari, i just put in a game and start playing
>what the fuck you beat the game instead of playing to get a high score? why can't i just keep playing for points forever, there aren't even any points in the first place
holy shit mods just purge this thread from existance already
>>3053168
Nothing ever changes. There will always be people claiming that all newer games are shit and older games are the only good games. Of course considering this board's subject a lot of those people are expected, but still though, I wish people would be more self-aware.
>>3053168
It's no different than people who claim rock music died when the Sex Pistols showed up or that it died when Nirvana showed up or whatever.
>>3053176
lol they thought the exact same thing back then as well.
>>3053183
Yup exactly. The details change, the it's always the same whiny bullshit.
>>3053192
It's all nostalgia for childhood. I think most of them don't even really like games specifically, they like the nostalgia of what they liked when they were kids. Or the things they could have had as kids if only their parents doted on them enough. That's why they find it hard to get enjoyment out of anything new. There's no hook for nostalgia, it's just a game and that's not really what they're into.
>>3053204
You need a new argument, baby cakes. This one has been destroyed so many times. If you don't like games, that's nice. We're too busy enjoying them to bother trying to convince someone like you.
I was a kid during the 5th gen but I really have no particular love for those games and consider that era kind of meh.
>>3053204
Yes, because scummy business practices NEVER happened when you were a kid. Companies being jews is a new thing that is recent and only affecting modern games.
>>3053210
Scummy business practices caused the crash in 1983. Scummy business practices led to Nintendo creating an illegal monopoly that eventually the courts struck down. Scummy business practices destroyed Sega as a console maker.
>>3053234
Being called a kid by someone who was in diapers when I was in university never gets old.
>>3052632
Oh god, that cover. I want to hit the disco floor now.
I started gaming in 1994 when I was 6 years old so if you want to call me a child...
>>3052632
Originally they wanted to do For Your Eyes Only, but then they just had to cash in on the Star Wars bandwagon. I mean, that thing in the lower right corner literally looks like R2D2's head.
>>3053234
>if you say it happened when I was a kid then you must be defending it!
>>3053282
No it's given me the perspective to see that it's not cancer.
>>3053296
That's funny because it gives me the perspective that video games have never been worse.
>>3053298
And that's why we disagree on everything, you are constantly pissed off and I have a massive pile of both new and old games I enjoy playing. It must suck to be so upset about everything all the time, I hope you find some happiness someday.
>>3053316
>Makes me happy.
Yeah, you seem like a perfectly happy and well adjusted person.
I wish this thread would 404, I really would.
>>3053318
Ya fuck me for having a hobby.
The early 90s was seriously the golden age of childhood in America. There was no Facejew, #YOLO SWAG fags around, no SJW Tumblr landwhales. It's sad what things have devolved into.
>>3053338
We have the same hobby, dude. It's just that I like games from all eras and don't have my panties in a twist because things change.
I don't think everything about the current gaming environment is good, but I didn't think everything about the gaming environment of any age was all good. But I look at what's good and focus on that, and there's always plenty of good. Your list of complaints either don't bother me, I understand why they're necessary or I flat out like them like DLC. You don't, you're pissed about it and I get that. I think you're being childish and missing out on a lot of good games, but it's no skin off my back. I think it's funny modern gaming makes you this upset.
>>3053347
>The early 90s was seriously the golden age of childhood in America.
Maybe if you were a kid in the 90's. Looks like a horrible era of pc language and hand holding. Being a kid in the 70's was fucking awesome. We weren't raised to be sniveling entitled man children.
>>3053368
I've literally never played a CoD game... Or really any FPS since Tribes 2. One of the fantastic things about games these days is the variety.
>>3053378
oh you're one of those hipsters that plays random obscure games while saying modern games are somehow good.
>>3053394
Damn you got a link to your let's play channel?
>>3053406
0/10 nice try though.
>>3052074
23 Skidoo is the name of a band.
>>3053383
Oh, irony of the hipster who doesn't know he's a hipster.
>>3053423
Ya I forget that playing the games I've always liked makes me hipster.
>>3053423
>>3053298
>That's funny because it gives me the perspective that video games have never been worse.
Because your nostalgia has made you forget about all the scummy business practices.
>>3053427
>everything I don't like is cancer!
>i'm not hipster!
>>3053453
Wrecking you has been fun, but work's done for the day. Later sweet cheeks!
>>3053453
So you don't have any argument then?
>>3053471
Oh boy, I can't wait to buy street fighter 2: super mega turbo, with 2 whole new characters for the low price of 50 dollars!
>>3053482
At least it's a complete game unlike the new one.
>>3053493
Right, it's a complete game until you have to shell out 50 dollars for the next version.
>>3053503
Sorry what? A game that comes out after makes the prior incomplete?
>>3052070
>Zophar's Domain
Zophar has manboobs.
>>3053360
Being born in 1996 does not make you a 70s kid regardless of how many times you watched a DVD of the Star Wars Trilogy.
Gaylo seriously ruined video games for all eternity.
>>3053360
Exactly...
90's children TV shows were full of PC "we're all equals! we're all buddies!" crap.
To make matters worse that's about the same time as soy lecithin, plastic crap and other testosterone inhibitors came unto the market.
Back in the 80s we had GI Joes, Heman or transformers. Our parents allowed us to go play outside unsupervised.
90s kids and later are effeminate, and have no vigor. Sickly, pale and diabetes ridden femmes.
>>3053567
>90's children TV shows were full of PC "we're all equals! we're all buddies!" crap.
I don't remember that happening. What shows were those.
LOL at the leborninthewronggeneration Millenials ITT.
millennials are such pussies
any 80s person can take on 3 millennials at once
>>3053623
Well no really they couldn't with their old arthritic bones and garden slug reflexes.
millenials love cock fencing with each other in their dorm showers
Jesus Christ this thread went to shit faster than a Taco Bell combo meal.
>>3053642
maybe you have yourself to blame.
millenial maggot
>>3052070
i think retro is defined as around 20 years old in pop culture terms.
I think a bunch of us have just been playing these games since they came out. now that we're older we can afford all the things we couldn't when we were kids, making it a more serious hobby. I think very few people actually make it their lifestyle.
also when SD3 came out... so hype
>>3053623
Technically, people born in the eighties are millennials
>>3053678
Never start a sentence with "Technically," unless you are a guest speaker at an engineering conference and someone asks, "Professor, what is your technical opinion of our new motorized dildo?"
>>3052531
So Medal of Honour has more in common with Pong than Call of Duty?
ITT: Hipsters
>>3053796
Millenials invented hispters.
They made brownies out of anal fudge.
Retro gaming was always just playing with your balls. We've known this since the very beginning. Just have fun.
>>3052663
Come on he got a point. Times have changed and we get bombarded with bullshit from all Sides followed by big campaigns that this is the shit.
I dont say older films are better per se but yeah less garbage got produced then.
Same goes for games.
>>3053834
>I dont say older films are better per se but yeah less garbage got produced then
Millenials are proof that abortion should be encouraged more.
>>3053834
Garbage got produce then just like it gets produced now. The same goes for games. Wanna find out yourself? Easy. Go download the entire NES library. You'll soon realise that it's 90% shite.
>>3053894
You can't even spell millennial, and if you're older than 16 and younger than 35 (you likely are), then you are a millennial.
In short, fuck you.
>>3053905
Or the Commodore 64. It's terrifying just how much British tape shovelware there was.
>>3053924
I'm going to reply just to see how much deeper you're going to dig yourself in.
>>3053924
>several studies that showed that millenials have the shortest penis size of any generation
okay post one.
>>3052070
>When
Two words. Lets Play. And the world has had cancer ever since.
>>3053934
Stop with your gay inuendos...
For the last time, I'm not gay and I'm not interested.
>>3053924
>FACT: most millenials have manboobs.
50% of them have regular boobs, so unless every male millennial also has bitchtits then you're wrong right there. Why you hate yourself, man.
>>3053948
Go home, Drumpf, you're drunk.
>>3053957
Your math is correct.
Since millenial men don't exist because they are all sissies...that means that 50% of millenials have tits and other 50% of women have flat chests.
>>3053942
Yes, god forbid people enjoy watching others play videogames.
This thread is shit.
>>3054013
Well that's the way it turned out since you've posted a message.
>>3054013
stfu hipster
>>3053732
I'll start a sentence however I damn well please
>>3053234
If anything you're the dumb kid
Youtube and Virtual Console are responsible.
>>3052272
i agree with this i used to have this shitty mentality until i really gave modern games a chance, yeah some are easier than retro games but if you find it find, keep playing it.
>>3052137
>only x kids will remember
people need to stop with that shit. It's stupid I mean i know alot of people my age, im 21, so im probably alot younger than a majority of this thread/board. But who cares its not like anyone from mid 94 onwards really remembers the 90s. I feel like age doesn't matter when it comes to enjoying certain things. I love old and new stuff. I'd say who gives a fuck (most of the time) what you like, if you enjoy it then keep doing so if not don't be a dick about it.though i enjoy more retro games than modern because the Neo geo and Sega were around and they aren't today hardware wise
>>3052741
>>3052717
now that you bring it up...i guess you make a valid point. I never really thought about it until now.
>>3052096
Marat was such an asshole. I used to hang out in #emu regularly.
I was there when the whole shitstorm with Mindrape stealing the Nesticle source went down. Good times.
>>3054608
Story time. Keep talking.
>>3052070
Around the time you thought it was reasonable to write these kind of bullshit think-piece posts instead of just playing the games you want to play
>>3052070
I think a big part of it was some people becoming disenfranchised with modern gaming. Myself as an example: 3 years ago, I got totally fed up with paying $60 for games I'd beat once and flavors of the month, so I went and got myself a SNES again and started really digging into older games.
At that time, it wasn't so bad, because games like Chrono Trigger were still going for $60-$70, and compared to new games, they were worth it. And there were tons of cheaper options too. Like the ENTIRE Genesis library, for example.
And besides all that, I'd continuously had a MASSIVE PSX collection since the late 90's anyway. So I was pretty well off without modern machines or games.
Then one day, my hipster friend Chris calls up and says: "Hey man, I 'm going RETRO! I'm getting ALL the retro consoles and ALL the best games!!!"
(OK, not EXACTLY like that, but that was the gist of it)
I knew that was the beginning of the end right there, because Chris is the BIGGEST fucking trend whore who ever lived.
Before I knew it, all eBay listings said things like "RARE!!!" and "retro" in their titles, CT shot up to $120 minimum and now even less popular machines like Genesis and original Xbox have psychotically expensive games on them. And for no real reason. Just "le retro" retards and resellers working together to drive up prices.
So now I end up buying games without labels and or cases to save a buck. And it's totally fine, because I buy them to play them. Not to look at them or collect them and not because it's cool.
Personally, I hope it's like the Neo-Geo boom (and deflation) that happened about a decade ago, and morons buying shit up for premiums now end up losing their shirts later, lol.
>>3052112
Yeah it sure takes a whole lot of focus to play Boogerman or Super Mario Land. Jesus.
>>3054613
But playing whiny little bitches like you is the greatest game of all
>>3054634
tfw kids growing up today will think the ps3 and xbox 360 are "retro" consoles and will pay big bucks for super rare copies of "old school" games such as halo 3 and mgs4
