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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
S-Video Pasta: http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
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>>2873091
what game?
Will an NTSC only CRT run PAL games in colour?
>>2873280
Some yu yu hakusho game
>>2873091
Virtua Racer on panasonic BT-H1390yn shadow mask RGB monitor, pic from last thread because I'm away for xmas.
>>2873283
Dragon Warrior, same monitor, new famicom :)
>>2873281
No.
>>2873285
what is happening in this picture?
>>2873293
Seems to be a PCB for Dragon Quest with a 60-to-72 pin adapter backwards in a Bases Loaded 2 case plugged into a 72-to-60 pin adapter in a Famicom
But actually it's probably an N8 everdrive in there. Still doesn't explain why it's back-to-front though. I guess that 72-to-60 pin adapter actually flips the order so you can see your labels.
>>2873293
autism
>>2873293
flash cart (neverdrive, as in NEVER buy this everdrive) hooked to a famicom with an adapter. also a PC monitor on right, and some stuff left over from my Famicom AV mod on the table.
>>2873310
back to front 'cause it's a chinese adapter that flips the cart slot around to the correct orientation.
Had to solder some wires and cut some traces on the back to make it work with castlevania III, but it's good now. I'll try to find a pic of the wiring work that made it 100% compatible.
>>2873327
nope.
>>2873351
Is that from a Bond movie?
Also, oh hey, I do have those speakers. They're crappy old labtec's. I don't use them though.
>>2873367
grishenko from golden eye
>>2873351
I've heard that they use PVMs as prop TVs pretty often
>>2873285
>>2873293
>>2873310
>>2873343
Disregard the solder gore on some of those pins. I was bad at soldering back when I did the expansion audio part two years ago.
>>2873380
also note there was originally a trace between the pins I ran the blue and green wires to on each side - I had to cut that trace with a knife and then I ran the wires.
>>2873379
Any movie that has a studio or a control room has tons of PVMs.
Armageddon, Goldeneye, Contact all have a bunch of PVMs for example.
Hell I've seen a Rin Aoki JAV that has a shot of a PVM with her on it. I'd get a screenshot but I can't remember which one it is from.
When I say to never buy an everdrive, I say so because the MMC5 implementation's a joke (no games but castlevania III work in my tests), MMC4 support's a joke (both Fire Emblem games have graphical glitches Krikzz's known about for months and not fixed), VRC6 and FDS expansion audio aren't very good, and the powerpak has a better MMC5 implementation.
>>2873387
So /r/ing that jav shot if it's sfw
>>2873380
>dat criss-cross
Neat that it flips like that. Does the Everdrive support expansion audio in an NES?
>>2873402
It is sfw. I'll post it if I ever find it again.
>>2873380
This physically hurts me.
Would it be safe to place a bvm-d24(etc) directly on a surface without the little rubber feet?
It looks like it has some vented areas id assume for heat dissipation.
I looked under my bvm-20f1u and its a solid metal sheet no vents.
The stand i want to put the d24 on isnt deep enough to accomodate the rubber feet. Hence my question.
>>2873280
Yū Yū Hakusho Gaiden
>>2873823
You could put together some spacers to keep it raised up from the surface, if you're really worried.
>>2873831
Its only temporary until I decide on a more permanent solution.
Looking a few different woodworking companies to have shelving/stands made for my consoles/games etc.
I'm not too worried because now that I think about it, people put them sideways all the time, and that blocks an entire side of ventilation.
I just wasn't sure If the little feet really mattered.
They are probably there to protect the surface of the table more than keep the monitor elevated now that I think about it.
>>2873851
Man I repeat myself a lot sorry for that all who have to deal with reading my comments and questions.
I don't want to be spoon fed exactly, but is there anything in my area worth picking up? I have limited knowledge on crts.
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/
>>2873351
They're all over the Russian satellite HQ at the start of this movie
>>2873387
Frasier directs a Halloween prank on a pvm on his desk
>>2873919
Not doing your job for you but anything with pvm bvm, ikegami, or nec xm is good. Merry Christmas
>>2873351
It was a fun feeling watching that movie on my PVM (VHS edition, aw yeah)
>>2873403
>does the everdrive support expansion audio in a NES?
Well, kind of. The chip simulations aren't very good but it can somewhat simulate the VRC6 and the RP2C33 (sound chip in the famicom disk system). The MMC5 should have expansion sound but Krikzz's MMC5 mapper is a horrible abortion of a mapper that only supports castlevania 3 (which does not use expansion sound in the MMC5 version), so not really.
Also, you do have to put a 47k ohm resistor between two pins on the NES expansion port for it to work. I forget what the pins are because I usually use the famicom now.
>>2873919
Not really.
There's this wega http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/ele/5325749016.html if you feel like settling for something that isn't an RGB monitor until you find one, but it's pretty big. You'll also likely have to adjust the geometry.
>>2873351
This is from Mel Gibson's trailer in the first Lethal Weapon movie. Not sure what model, but it looks like a PVM or something.
What's the best way to connect a computer to a PVM? Do I have to convert VGA to RGB or something?
>>2874118
VGA is RGB. You just need your computer to be able to output composite sync and the correct resolution.
This is in the Sega CD game Surgical Strike.
>>2874234
Evidence of game designers using PVMs. Now there's an inflammatory photo. We should probably destroy all known existences just to avert the sperglord autist crusade.
On the first day of Christmas /vr/ gave to me, a brand new CRT TV.
I posted this in the BST thread too, but I'm looking to unload a working CRT in the Washington DC/NOVA area. it's a 26" GE. Model number 25GT505 from 1992.
Trying to put together clean, looping CRT gifs is just frustrating.
>>2874664
If you put the GIFs themselves looping in the TV it'll probably save you a lot of trouble
merry kurrisimassu
>>2874843
>>2874843
>merry kurrisimassu
https://youtu.be/yGv0sx9XFVY?t=1m39s
>>2874843
why are the sides cut?
>>2874859
overscan
a bit extreme here but everything important is still viewable.
PVM-1351Q is good?
Still trying to get that PVM-14L2 I mentioned in the last thread, guy ignored my offer of $125 CAD ($90 USD) so I bumped it up to $150 ($110), don't know if I should spend more than that. I'm jealous of everyone that gets these for free or <$50, but unfortunately they are hard to come by in Canada.
Ordering one from the states is an option but with the shitty conversion rate and hassle/risk of shipping I'm not sure if its worth it.
is this a nice tv /crt/? I'm at my grandparents house spending the holidays and brought my Saturn with me. is it worth it bringing back with me?
>>2875058
Chances are you can get a Sony non-HD trinitron WEGA for a very low sum of money/free depending on where you live, might be worth going that route instead if you're just looking at a consumer tv.
>>2875058
That looks pretty nice as far as shadow masks go, actually. I'd try for a non-flat one myself though.
I just got a new (actually old but my first DSLR and new to me) camera and a new toy under it. Will be taking some more CRT pics with it when I get back home.
Besides Trinitrons, what has shadow masks? PVMs are starting to get really pricy due to their retro gaming status so I wanted to know what alternatives to look for.
>>2875190
I guess you meant aperture grille.
in tv land AFAIK there was never triniclones
in video monitor land, there are olympus which are simply rebranded sonys.
in pc monitor land, there's a fair amount of triniclones, many have -tron suffixes. Diamondtron, sonictron... There's also NEC Cromaclear slotmask which is related to aperture grille
>>2874802
The problem is more with getting each frame cleanly, and with the same exposure.
And forget about a decent filesize, even with them downscaled.
https://a.pomf.cat/yupkaj.gif
Might just make a webm later.
Any BVM experts out there know about this setting buried deep in the maintenance menu of my BKM-10R? It appears to deinterlace the picture much like the teletext kludge Faginrs500 did a video about a while back.
Doesn't work 100% - sometimes gives a rolling picture like the v-hold is off and there is some flicker but still pretty cool I thought.
>>2875350
Here's the raw 480i coming from myPS2
>>2875015
Do NOT risk shipping. I can almost guarantee something will happen. Being as its Christmas (for the states folk) maybe up your limit. If it really is hard to get these in Canada, don't risk ordering from out of the country.
My Toshiba died today
How do I get rid of it without pollution?
>>2875015
Did you try asking him if he wants to do the deal outside of ebay and save on fee's?
>>2875534
fix it.
>>2875350
That's pretty cool. Not a setting I've heard of before. I wonder what its use was in the world before retro gaming?
What model BVM is your BKM-10R card plugged into, out of interest?
>>2875534
Throw in trash
>>2875550
He didn't even deny my offer or send me a counter-offer on eBay which is customary to do..he just let the offer expire automatically after 3 days with no contact.
I did send a new offer for higher and put in the note field that I could pick up locally/deal in cash if preferred but have heard nothing yet.
>>2875534
Most apartments/condos have e-waste disposal rooms. Local dumps are always a good bet but depending on where you live you might have to pay.
>>2875397
My D20F1U was shipped to me, I insisted they add extra protection, suggesting USPS priority boxes and bubble mailers, since they're free.
They did, no issues.
>>2875675
Hope you have a shovel so you can give it a proper burial.
If it does arrive intact, then color me suprised. I've found those packs with the expanding foam are the best way to ship CRT's but they're still pretty vulnerable.
>>2873091
I'm not sure if I should be asking here, but I figured better to ask than make a whole thread since this is tangentially related to CRTs in its own way.
Do any of you guys use receivers for your setups with your CRTs? I've been growing my console collection and while I considered a plain old switch, I've been considering getting a receiver instead to have a nice sound setup as well as the switching capabilities for my consoles and other retro-home theater setups (gonna pick up an LD player in the future as well). Anyone got any recs for what to look out for on the market?
>>2875745
The best way is to ship it as freight and make sure its marked as fragile.
>>2873091
post Genkai being kawaii
>>2875534
there are numbers you can call that will take it away for free.
i had some friends over last week and when we went to play on my CRT they complained about a really high pitch noise that was driving them crazy...so we couldn't play on my TV and instead played N64 on my widescreen. which looked like blurry shit. and i couldn't hear the noise they were complaining about
I must have had this TV for at least 10 years and never had a problem with noise coming from it.
I even had the same friends over before and used the TV before without any problems. I have no idea what is going on. Is my TV on it's last legs?
>>2875574
The monitor itself is a 20G1E.
I really want to know if:
A - I'm likely to cause any damage by using this setting.
B - If not, whether the rolling and flicker can be dialled out.
I reckon we could have scanlines on a budget here if it can be made to work effectively.
>>2875534
Take it somewhere to be used for parts?
>>2875964
My gf is sensitive to crt whine too, might have something to do with being 11 years younger than me. Or perhaps she's just a dog...
Try running a 15khz tone out of a freeware generator on pc/mac/linux. If you can't hear it congratulations, you're partially deaf and able to use glorious tube monitors like a real man!
>>2875964
This is a normal thing. I've never run into a CRT that doesn't have the buzz/whine. If I do, I'll have to buy it because I do want to go back to my childhood and play games on it.
>>2875397
I'm going to parrot others here, but avoid UPS if you must ship.
>>2876016
>>2876020
I've noticed different sets have different degrees of noise.
I believe it's worse on some sets than others, depending on how the adhesive on the transformer windings is holding up. If it's starting to loosen up, it could resonate and make it more audible/louder.
My 20M2 is louder than my GX, but my 14M2 and OEV203 are both pretty quiet; The Megaview's fans sort of cover up/mask any noise it makes when displaying 15khz sources.
Regular Super Famicom on a PVM-8044Q running through RGB.
>>2876107
And people claim you shouldn't use scanline filters for that authentic look.
>>2876107
what is the game?
>>2875964
I usually hear it. It tips me of when I forget to switch the monitor off after playing. Normally I don't care that much about it because it's such a familiar sound. Some monitors/TVs are louder than others.
I remember it taking me a long time to realize that that sound was emitted from the TVs as a child. Probably around the time when 60Hz gaming was becoming common here in Europe (so around GC era) since when games would switch up to 60Hz from 50Hz the pitch would change slightly.
>>2876193
Are you serious?
It's Megaman.
Are Panasonic CRTs any good?
There's an S-Video Panasonic I can get for 30$ in town.
>>2876441
Yeah, it's fine. Honestly, as long as it's a decently known brand like Panasonic or Samsung, you're fine. If you're really concerned about having the best quality, a PVM or another brand of professional monitor is the best choice.
I still think trinitrons are the best in terms of consumer TVs, though. But it's not that big of a deal.
>>2876193
Megaman & Bass
>>2876107
Is this photo accentuating the phosphor glow or what? It just looks a bit smudgy for RGB. At first glance I would have guessed Y/C.
Very nice though.
>>2875964
All CRTs have a signature whine anon, to varying degrees. Try turning the set on mute and putting your ear close to the side/back and you may be able to hear it.
I can definitely hear it, but it's usually quite faint after initially turning the set on and gameplay makes it almost inaudible. It's different for everyone, I guess.
>>2875283
Yeah webm with a large bitrate is probably the way to go for these, even if the filesize for GIF wasn't ginourmous it still has the problem of the 256 color limit. Managed to skim off 3MB of the file by optimizing it with gifsicle though.
Still that actually looks pretty good
>>2876627
Yeah, I didn't bother to adjust anything when taking that pic. That and my phone was right up against the tube when I took it.
Mods are asleep post gore
>>2876917
Never post again plz
>PVMs in movies
https://youtu.be/j1o9ZWqCnKk
Right at the beginning.
Comfy Status: no name brand CRT+ clone consoles.
BUT surprising development regarding clones.
The Super Retro Trio does NES S-video...and it is NOT HORRIBLE (at least not on this shitty CRT). Pics incoming.
Shout out to Gamestop who surprisingly came through with PS1/legacy s-video cables on Christmas Eve.
Clone S-Video NES Pic 1
Pic 2
My apologies, photo are from an iPad so it isnt pro quality.
But SRT does Nes S-video better than it does Genesis S-video.
Slight "neon-ing" of color and a diagnonalish checkerboard pattern appear.
Pic 3
Also, after seeing this NES S-video I cant go back to playing NES roms off of my Everdrive 64 via Svideo. It is DOG SHIT in comparison.
>>2875745
I've had it for almost three months now, running strong.
>>2876917
My eyes are bleeding from trying to read that やきポラト sign through that monitor.
>>2877406
Meant やきポテト. Fuck, I'm tired.
>>2877346
Yeah, but the sharpness makes it almost tolerable. I was planning on leaving my SRT at my parents but now I want to experiment more.
The only reason I didnt try NES before on it w/ my PVM back at my home apartment is that I had no games for it. But its frustrating that between the SRT and Retron 3 there is no one ultimate best console.
Retron 3
> Superior Sega S-video
> Neutral SNES S-video
> No NES S-video
SRT
>NES S-video in fair quality
>Neutral SNES S-video
>Terrible Genesis S-video
Guess I need both.
I don't know if it's taboo to ask here, but I'm looking for a decent converter from HDMI or VGA to S-video or Component YPbPr.
I love my Trinitron and was hoping to get more use out of it with emus. I've been searching for hours now and was wondering if anyone can personally recommend a good/affordable unit?
>>2877561
Thanks senpai. What transcoder do you use?
Why aren't these threads a bannable offense yet?
You're not even talking about video games.
>>2877035
>FF7
Hah, just took this picture tonight of my new setup. Got my hands on a PVM-20M4U last month and finally scraped together all the components for a decent retro gaming setup.
I didn't own a PS1 when I was younger, and never played FF7, so I figured it would be a good game to christen my hardware with. RGB signal from a PS1 is excellent. The shitty aftermarket memory card I found doesn't seem to work very well, though.
>>2875759
I've had this Sony receiver for years, got it for a buck at a church fair. Can't remember the model number, but it's pretty old, late '70s, I think. Recently picked up the Sony SS-B3000 speakers for 15 bucks on ebay. They sound amazing. After years of listening to the shitty built-in speakers on modern flat screens, this was pure audio euphoria. Also picked up another cheap Sony receiver a while back for my brother to use in his garage. Also sounds great. I'd say you could pick up almost any old analog Sony receiver back from when they were still made in Japan and you'll have a great piece of equipment that will last forever and sounds nice and clean.
Also, while cleaning, found the manual to my childhood CRT, a 20" Mitsubishi. Parents bought it for us in 1987 so we could use the NES and the Commodore without tying up their TV. Pretty sure that it's still in the attic at my parent's house. I played every video game from 2nd generation to 7th on that thing.
>>2877841
My mom even saved this plastic decal that was on the screen when it was new. I did a quick Google search and Mitsubishi still makes LED screens with the "Diamond Vision" label. Wonder if it signified a specific kind of CRT tech, or if it was just a generic term to advertise clarity.
>>2877832
I want a good sound setup for my pvm. No idea what the fuck i'm doing, though. Thinking of just asking /g/.
>>2877896
Also, someone posted this, but I don't know how updated it is.
>>2877586
So we'll see duplicates of this post in the repair thread, the waifu thread, the threads about game designers, and all other threads about gaming that aren't about games, yes? I admire both your purism and your dedication, anon.
>>2877896
Just do what I did. Hit up ebay/craigslist/flea markets for a nice receiver and a set of bookshelf speakers. Stuff like this goes cheap, as audiophiles are a dying breed. More people care about how shit looks than how it sounds, and most can't be bothered with multi-speaker/surround sound setups anymore since sound bars became a thing.
I'll say again that I support any old equipment with the Sony name on it. I don't wanna sound like a brand-fag, but every piece of Sony hardware I've bought has been awesome. If you find anything by Sony that says "MADE IN JAPAN", I can almost guarantee it will be old, cheap, and sound pretty damn great.
>>2877586
>yet
Are you new here?
>>2877934
>surround sound
I'm a retard, how does surround sound work? Can you actually get a /vr/ surround sound setup? Or does it just not work with older hardware?
Hey everyone, I'm the guy that found the PVM-1342Q at the Goodwill. Got a VGA to BNC cable and built a PC with some spare parts and a motherboard and processor from the Goodwill. There is a dark spot in the picture but it's hardly noticeable, just needs to be degaussed. Graphics card is an Nvidia GeForce 7800GS, outputs VGA and S-Video and it's capable of 15khz output.
Got a few shitty pics, first one's DOOM through S-Video
>>2877946
And here's DOOM through RGB, composite sync
The S-Video image is a bit blurrier because it wouldn't focus right, but the difference between S-Video and RGB is staggering nonetheless.
>>2877951
Will definitely get some more pictures tomorrow. Right now I'm looking at modding all my consoles to output RGB.
>>2877942
It wasn't until 6th gen when most games started pumping out the audio channels for surround sound. You can still play an older game on a surround sound system, it just won't be as immersive.
>>2877946
>>2877951
>the difference between S-Video and RGB is staggering
With consoles S-Video is pretty good, a big jump over composite, where the jump to RGB from S-Video typically isn't as big.
In your case the VGA port might be outputting a clean 480i signal if the card is capable of 15kHz, but the S-Video port tends not to work the same way. It *will* be outputting 480i, but it'll be doing so no matter what resolution the other ports are set to. So 240p, 480p and 720p all get turned into 480i and look like blurred shit. What happens with your res actually set to 480i i'm not sure, but it might be reinterlacing or even double-interlacing it. Either way iot seems to look like ass, but the S-Video port from a GPU *always* looks like ass.
>>2877012
we have a winner! 2x20" & 1x 14" PVMs, and a shitload of 10" Ikegamis
>>2878045
I honestly thought S-Video was worse than composite for a long while due to the horrible quality of GPU S-Video outputs... (I never had one with composite). Also living in PAL land so much less artifacting on PAL composite.
>>2877586
Obvious bait aside, it's because CRTs are the go-to choice for displaying retro games. It's a technicality, and the community has valuable information, so it stays.
>>2877439
they are both clones and both therefore suck ass. You can mod a genesis for good s-video you know. And the retron 3/is actually a more original clone in that it uses a reverse engineered real CPU and PPU instead of a shitty NES emulator. the NES PPU only outputs composite and so the retron 3 only outputs composite in NES mode.
>>2877958
don't bother on the NES. composit's good enough and RGB boards are expensive.
>>2878370
>good enough
for you. Don't dissuade other because YOU think it's good enough.
and as far as NESRGB board goes, it's worth every $/£/€ given the dev that went in it. It's the install that is often inflated, not because it's hard, but because it's tedious.
>>2878380
I said nothing about install difficulty. I mod consoles and have even done NESRGB installs. the results were underwhelming and none of the palettes looked quite right. The NES has remarkably good composite.
>>2878385
I've seen NES RGB pictures, none of it looks right. Are the colors really that off? I don't mind putting in effort/money to mod it, but I don't something that looks inferior to s-video or composite.
>>2878474
They could be worse, but if you want crystal clear 240p NES games with proper colors you should try retroarch nestopia on a wii, with the Nestopia 'canonical' palette (in 'core options'). That's the closest palette I've ever found - If I were at home I'd have a side by side comparison of a real NES composite signal to the canonical palette in retroarch. Maybe I'll post it in the next couple of days when I get back.
I play with composite, though, because the NES/famicom's composite quality is impressive and nothing beats original hardware.
Is 13 inches enough to play PS1 games?
>>2878529
yes if you sit close (think PC monitor distance).
>>2878521
Why not s-video? Does it fuck up the colors too?
>>2878413
>>2878559
>>2878553
stock NES only generates composite video, it's not like later consoles which generate rgb signals that are sent to a video encoder to generate svideo or composite. Only exceptions are arcade NES system PC10 and Sharp Famicom Titler, but they suffer from incompatibility (minor for Titler, major for PC10).
The best solution is the NESRGB mod, which generates RGB that can be used for svideo and composite, and that retains perfect compatibility.
>>2878559
which console ? SNES ?
>>2878578
So you can do the RGB mod, but use it for s-video so you have better video quality without fucking the colors up?
>>2878578
>console ?
PC
>>2878582
Yes, everything is on the NESRGB board, you just have to connect wires to a socket or to the avout port if you mod an AVFamicom.
>>2878589
And if you're asking why I didn't just use the multiavout, it's because at the time I couldn't find a decent snes svideo cable that didn't induce checkerboard, while a $5 regular svideo cable shows no checkerboard.
>>2878582
NESRGB does fuck colors up, though. Just not as bad as a playhoice 10 PPU.
>>2878578
No, the best solution is to just use what it gives you; NES composite is excellent compared to almost every other console I've seen. The expensive solution if you don't care about colors is NESRGB. If you care about crispness more than color and want to burn $100, go ahead and get NESRGB. The best way if you don't mind non-original hardware is nestopia's canonical palette + 240p + wii with retroarch and component.
You are right that the NES doesn't output s-video though.
>>2878368
>both are clones and therefore suck ass
I'm sorry, I'm too busy enjoying my crisp clone/retron 3 genesis' S-video without having to mod anything because I don't know how and it is cheaper/easier this way. Come back when you have picture evidence that a Modded Genesis' S-video is superior to a Retron 3's Genesis S-video.
And like I said...despite the checkerboarding the Super Retro Trio's S-video NES is not perfect but tolerable. The sharpness is a treat and could help tide me over until that RetroUSB AVS console
>>2878728
>NES composhit
>excellent
Haha, no. It's tolerable because for a long time there was no readily available solution, but it's still pretty bad, nowhere near what a CXA1645 can output. Alternate phase looks decent on still screen but is shit once a scolling kicks in.
>>2878380
It is good enough though.
>>2878737
Your TV's got one terrible comb filter then. Mine does a good job even when scrolling. Far better than any CXAxxxx chips I've seen. Not perfect and artifact-free, but still very good.
>>2878738
not you, but I agree.
Not worth $100. No way in hell.
>>2878731
I'm sorry, I don't mod my consoles for RGB or S-video if they don't support it, and I don't play my games on retron 5 style emulators.
>>2878603
My man. Fuck proprietary connectors and questionable cables.
>>2878750
>$100
100 aus dollaros
>>2878810
Okay then, $70 plus shipping. I didn't spend half that much on any of my systems, even imported famicoms.
>>2878820
just don't dissuade others then.
>>2878750
I did wire the avout after, so I have both solutions.
>>2878841
Telling you from the one nesRGB I did for someone else.that it's not actually worth it and the palettes aren't right. Nestopia has a truer palette than any in the NESRGB. If I could write custom palettes to the board, I'd gladly drop some money on one for myself.
>>2878857
RGB comes from my genesis port too , but good genesis/mega drive specific RGB cables that aren't crap and have proper sync signal buffers are stupidly expensive.
Wondering if anyone can help. Got a PVM-204MU that seems to have tint issues. While playing games, the color temperature of the screen seems to shift on its own from warm to cold, then back to normal. Sometimes it stops for a while, other times it settles on one and stays there. Any ideas?
CRT IS ARE GOOD FOR TEH OLD SKOOL GAMES AND LCD IS TEH AWESOME FOR HIGH DERFANEESHEN STUFFS
There, end all these fucking threads.
>>2878983
Except you're completely ignoring persistence/strobing.
>>2878983
Also ignoring that many CRTs are also shit for retro
>>2878750
that has nothing to do with comb filter.
easy exemple : blaster master
tank speed is synchronised to phase alternate. But go on foot and ugly artifacts appear everywhere because of slower walk speed. These don't appear on nesrgb even when using composite because of a good encoder.
Damn more screens please
>>2877901
As an 'audiophile', a fair amount of these are terrible recommendations at those price points
>>2879171
"Let's boogie boogie !"
Is it true some of those Dell monitors are actually rehoused trinitrons? How can I tell?
>>2879432
If it says "trinitron" on them
>>2879443
thanks
>>2878983
I'M A STUPID FAGGOT AND I HATE WHAT YOU LIKE, STOP DISCUSSING IT
Why don't we just end this whole site, while we're at it?
Time sensitive
Visiting Tennessee
Would this tv be any good?
https://knoxville.craigslist.org/ele/5350559693.html
>>2879634
if you have absolutely no other options maybe. it looks pretty beat up and dirty though.
>>2879639
Thanks for the tip. If it's not worth jumping on ill pass on it. Caught my attention because of screen size and s video
>>2874906
I own one. It's done fine by me.
>>2878983
Please calm your autism.
>>2873379
A guy in the CRT emudriver/ arcade controls community owns the PVM from X Files
>>2877896
Lepai LP-2020A
Micca Covo-S
compact set up, can place the speakers ontop of your monitor, or next to them, or even mount them to the sides, they're very small and light.
>>2879959
>Covo-S
MB42/X go out of style or something? Look a bit small to me.
And for the Lepai, listen to what they say about not turning it up too loud.
>>2879984
No they're still great speakers, albeit more expensive and larger, which probably isn't necessary for most peoples CRT set up, the Covos sound really good for their size and price point ($40 for a pair)
>>2879987
True enough. They'd probably go wonderfully with a 14'' PVM, especially if you were going for a semi-portable setup(and mounting them as you suggested), but would look a bit silly with a 20''.
Says the guy with floorstanders larger than his PVM.
Thinking about it, it's a shame you couldn't power the lepai off the PVM's DC out. If you could find something that would be able to power them and still sound decent off of [email protected], you'd be set.
I wonder if there's any console that you'd be able to run off of that.
>sound for PVM
I just use a pair of shitty PC speakers powered by USB. At least it gives me stereo.
Looking to pick up a PVM from E-bay. What should I look out for?
I'm tired of advertising for months and not getting one single bite.
Looking for around 14 inches
>>2880091
Also, how many lines should I be looking for?
>>2880112
Yes, it's also pretty much bottom of the barrel as far as PVMs are concerned. Minimal adjustments, no RGB. The list goes on...
90 bucks for that is an absolute joke, steer clear.
Just got my PVM. The whining is louder than my wega, is this a sign that its wearing down or is it normal?
>>2880091
>>2880096
I'd stick to either the 14M4U or 14L5. They'll be on the newer end of the spectrum (late 90s, early 2000s) and will have the better features, and also accept component as well as RGB (other models do as well, just be mindful of this)
Lines don't really matter since pretty much all PVMs will display more than enough for any retro game system, but only the L5 model is capable of displaying 480p which is something to take into consideration if you're going to play Dreamcast or Gamecube games or what have you, although on 14 inches, I doubt it will be too noticeable.
>>2880182
Not sure. My 20M4U hardly whines at all, and it's about 19 years old. I don't think it saw much use, however. I had a couple of 32 inch JVCs that made my ears bleed, as nice as they looked. Might be worth taking to a repair shop if it's really bad and you have one that still works on CRTs. Could be some degraded sealant on the flyback transformer, which is one of the things I wouldn't touch unless I were a professional.
>>2880270
It's a 20m2mdu. No idea where i'd find someone to look at it, guess i'll just have to go to google to find out what's going on.
>>2880020
I guess I can't get too mad at that guy who's always triggered by people buying SCART cables because I'm triggered by people who settle for shit audio. You cared enough about how your game looks to hunt down a rare CRT, but you won't spend a little time and effort finding a good receiver/speaker set up? I suppose it takes up more space, but it's way easier to find cheap or free audio equipment than it is to find a PVM in the first place.
>>2877901
Also, these are awful and expensive suggestions.
>>2880289
any suggestions for retro speakers?
How big of a screen is enough for fighting games?
>>2877942
Few retro games support surround, ones that do are general encoded with Pro Logic which is built into almost any surround receiver ever.
>>2880351
Just find some old consumer grade stuff at a goodwill and a decent power amp and you'll be golden. Look for brands you know and check all the speakers that they aren't smashed in.
>>2880351
Just buy a nice set of bookshelf speakers. I like Sony and JBL, but many other brands are fine. I recently picked up a pair of SS-B1000 as seen here >>2877832 for about 25 bucks. They're not super high-end, but they get some damn nice sound. They're about a 10-year old speaker, so they'll be easy to find and cheap without you having to worry about the cones being too worn out. SS-MB105 is also a good speaker by Sony. Look for something with both a woofer and a tweeter (big cone and little cone, as in pic related) to get a good mix for your highs and lows. Keep in mind for the kind of speakers I'm suggesting, you will require an receiver/amp, they can't just be plugged into a source.
Search craigslist and lowball the fuck out of people. Nobody wants speakers anymore since sound bars hit the market.
>>2880364
I imagine 12-14 inches is A-OK. All depends on how close you sit. Fighting games are easy to see since the characters are usually pretty large and the screen is usually tight on the action.
>>2880289
I have a decent (surround sound even) speaker setup too, but it's oriented wrong (90 degrees) because I usually use that with the HDTV.
If I want good sound quality while using the CRTs I usually just use headphones instead but most of the time I can't be bothered plugging them in. I could use a decent head phone amp, though. (I've only got a shitty (windy even) tube-transistor hybrid that I got for free now).
>>2875759
I use an old technics stereo, but I dont use it for a switch since there's only one video input on it anyway. I use the audio out on the trinitron and connect it to VCR1 on the stereo and just have a switch above it.
Sorry for the bad lighting, all I've got is a phone camera so I gotta open all these windows.
Can a PVM do 480p?
>>2880556
some can (e.g. the L5). if you come across one, you'll want to look up the specs to make sure.
I bought a PVM off Ebay but it wouldn't work after shipping.
It was smashed on the ground, there's a huge chip on it and he used paper to package the fucking thing.
The seller doesn't want to refund me anything and says it's my fault and calls me a retard.
There goes 70 bucks.
>>2880595
>not opening a case with ebay
Either you're lying or retarded
>>2880597
What case?
>>2880603
Retarded it is. I guess the seller was right.
>>2880605
Are you the seller?
It wasn't a case, it was a fucking box.
>>2880607
You've got to be kidding me.
>>2880607
idk if you're trolling or what, but he's saying to create a ticket with eBay. they'll refund you.
>>2880614
Oh, well thanks anon.
It's my first time using this shit.
33" viewable mitsubishi presentation monitor, free but it's a 4 hour drive? worth it?
600 lines and not very sharp but dat size tho
Kya are you happy with your 37?
>>2880621
Aye. Yeah, you should be able to select "Return this item" or "Request a refund" or whatever from a dropdown on your "My eBay" page. It'll probably send a request to the seller, he'll deny it, you'll open a case with eBay and they'll just end up giving you $70.
>>2880646
>>2880621
>>2880614
>>2880595
1. you made a terrible mistake buying a pvm near holiday season.
2. yes open a dispute with paypal / ebay, you may get a partial refund.
3. if you dont get full refund but get partial, because in my experience anytime i tried getting a full when offered partial i got nothing in the end.
Same guy with the 8044Q from earlier. Same Super Famicom and everything.
I need to get a better camera for this.
>>2880632
I think the mitsu presentation sets are all multiformat. I also have a 37" megaview and I love it.
Goof Troop SNES 1-Chip RGB on a 14L5
Where do you guys find your PVMs? I can't find shit at Salvation Army or any thrift store.
>>2880878
I've lucked out with Craigslist alerts
>>2880878
I had to resort to ebay.
>>2880824
Yeah gonna go for it, he's also got a cheap ikegami (sp?) 20" that I want to grab. I'm actually curious to see how the xrgb-3 with the scanlines cranked up will look.
>>2880878
Set a craigslist/ebay alert for for "PVM" . Use IFTTT and have it send alerts to your phone or whatever you want. That worked best for me.
Some people say to send emails to engineers at local TV stations, especially public access or PBS if you can. I did this and after 2 months, only got one email back telling me that they trashed all their monitors years ago. SO yeah.
I eventually found one for free on Craigslist, but after 3+ years of searching on and off. Results vary greatly depending on location. Where do you live and how far are you willing to drive?
Just be wary of ebay, because the damage rate during shipping of these things is fairly high, especially if the seller is a retard that doesn't know how to pack shit.
Are chinese rgb cables for Wii good?
>>2881074
Yes, I use them and it looks great.
>>2880632
Be sure to bring a friend.
Or three.
>600 lines and not very sharp but dat size tho
Believe me, if the thing itself isn't trashed, it'll look more than sharp enough for any retro game you could want to play.
Which specific model is it?
>>2875534
Best Buy takes them for free.
>>2880270
I found a rather nice PVM-14M2U for under $100. I am just wondering the year.
And I don't think I'll ever get the cords for VGA for dream cast or the cords for game cube considering their prices.
>>2881538
Ah, the year is September of 99
>>2881142
Yes it is. Were they official Sony s-vid cables? I use the PS3 ones for my PS2 since its all the same connector. I love Sony cables, they're always really high end.
PVM noob here and I see a 14N6U on cragslist for $100. No component , just composite, svideo and RGB. Is it worth it?
>>2881827
In Brooklyn?
>>2881837
yeah
>>2881827
$100 is steep in my opinion. I paid $50 for my PVM (a 14N6U just like that one), and I know a lot of people have been lucky enough to get far better deals on better monitors. But it depends on year, hours, condition -- a mid-2000s model with low hours would probably look incredible.
They're not the sharpest PVM but it should be adqueate. RGB makes a world of difference. If you're able, try to give it a look first; bring a source to test it out with (you will need BNC adapters if your source is not Y/C). It's the only way to know for sure.
Other than that, if your consoles are RGB-ready then absolutely, I like mine.
>>2881890
alright, I guess I'll keep an eye out for something better/cheaper. I emailed the guy about how many hours it may have, if its low enough Ill take a ride over and have a look. Thanks for the help man, appreciate it.
Who here component?
I was given a RCA TruFlat 15" for freesies over crimbus, i was excited but realized it lacked svideo.. however it does have two composite ports, back and side, plus a component video input. I usually get down on nes or n64. Composite on the nes is good enough for me even on my hd tv, but as we all know the 64 suffers a little on hdtvs (some worse than others, mines not bad however and there is no noticeable input lag)
Is there any advantage to using this crt with component cables? I know it can't convert to hd, as this is not an hdtv and the picture is great, it's practically brand new. I have read that it can get you to svideo quality picture which was what i am after. Who makes component n64 cables?
>pic somewhat related
Not my pic, pulled of google
>>2875350
on my PVM it's pressing degauss + menu simultaniously while in the menu. does that work?
>>2881957
stock n64 doesn't go beyond svideo.
depending on consoles component is very worthy and there are converters to go from scart rgb to YPbPr.
>>2881974
I'm not trying to go beyond svideo. Can I achieve svideo with component cables? Does anybody make a component cables for n64? Again I am not trying to go hd here
>>2881982
Component does not explicitly mean HD; Just a higher quality video signal that happens to be capable of higher resolutions.
As >>2881974 mentioned, if you felt like modding the N64, you could convert the RGB to component; N64 doesn't have a terribly pretty picture even in RGB/Component, so that may not be worth your time.
As for premade cables, if those "HD Retrovision" cables ever came out, their SNES cable |should| work with a modded N64.
Nothing pre-6th gen supports component outright though.
>>2881982
>Can I achieve svideo with component cables?
I don't think so. Maybe there are some converters that can extract Pb and Pr from svideo C signal...
>>2881982
You cannot 'achieve' s-video with component cables per se, you have to feed the set what it's expecting into those ports. A simple cable splitter, for example, wouldn't work. What you're looking for is a transcoder.
S-Video is a luminance signal and a chrominance signal separated out. Component YPbPr is luma, the difference between blue & luma and the difference between red & luma. Green is not carried and is instead derived from the given information.
Given this I would think that colorspace transcoding is not easy -- YPbPr is a very different signal from Y/C! A quick look on eBay shows me that powered converters are relatively easy to find, but slightly pricey -- and more importantly NOT likely to be a lossless process. Especially if you can't afford more than a basic eBay converter (looking to be about $80) it's probably not worth it anon, as you're likely going to lose a lot of quality anyway. Finding a converter that is certain to provide minimal quality loss might require quite a bit of research & money at this point, especially since we are dealing with more or less outmoded analogue signals.
>>2880991
Southeastern Michigan. I don't have a car, though.
>>2882020
>>2882019
>>2882007
Damn, okay thanks guys! Honestly I was kinda hoping you all were gonna just call me a retarded faggot and tell me to buy a gamecube cable off eBay and use that or something along those lines. Looks like it's still either pvm/rgb or upscaler. I'll just make do with what was given to me and enjoy the fact I can once again play duckhunt
>>2882037
>SE Michigan
http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/fuo/5323526527.html
>>2882039
FWIW, RGB->Component transcoding is probably not as big a deal. As others have said though it would first require modifying your N64 to output RGB.
http://cds.linear.com/image/159_circuit_1.jpg
>>2882039
just be on the lookout for a tv with svideo. Some tvs have svideo and component inputs while still being SD/480i only, ideal for avoiding pesky image processing
>>2882064
>$150-$200
Fuck, dood. Is that even a fair deal?
>>2882086
Looks like an L5 or BVM without the controller. If L5, worth it.
Is there a way to tune degaussers for the latitude you live in?
>>2881248
it's a Mitsubishi AM-3501R
there was a bunch of different xc37's (which is actually not a 37") so not sure how it compares with yours but I did some reading and found it was basically a presentation monitor used to show graphs etc, and not supposed to be a cad monitor or anything like that, makes sense since it doesn't do higher than 800x600. Also the fucker weighs 266lb and doesn't have a single handle.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=1rsYJ8hu21kC&pg=PT379&lpg=PT379&dq=Mitsubishi+AM-3501R+weight&source=bl&ots=n3CBdAu_oV&sig=SVuOFMyP579bQe-h8TkhiMayVL0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4taGh2f7JAhUK5YMKHdW2A64Q6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=mitsubishi&f=false
there's also a x37 on page 372?
>>2882086
Looks like the bigger one is a 20L5, which can do 480p. Definitely worth it, especially if you plan to play any 6th gen stuff.
Just keep this in mind: people will always have a different idea of what a "fair deal" is on these monitors. They have no inherent value. I spent years looking for one, and passed or tried to haggle many deals down to a more fair price, only to end up without a monitor. Ultimately, I found one for free, and it was a great deal, but it took THREE YEARS, and it was just dumb luck I got a jump on it. Chances are I could have been looking for another three years before finding a decent one. If you really want one as soon as possible, pay as much as you are willing to. There are only so many left.
>>2881840
>>2881924
Aye, that's my listing. Unfortunately, I'm not the original owner and I don't believe this model tracks hours. I bought it from a video studio that clearly hadn't used it in a while. I can check the year later today.
Here's a small album I put together for another guy that dropped off the face of the earth: https://imgur.com/a/RCeHq
>The geometry's good but not perfect ... With the first Kirby picture, you can tell the green border gets a bit wiggly near the top, but then you can look at the Super Metroid pic and see whether or not it's noticeable during regular gameplay.
I'll email you as well. Feel free to reply in either place.
>>2882259
>there was a bunch of different xc37's (which is actually not a 37") so not sure how it compares
Yeah, they released several different versions with different specs and the like. I believe the model I have is actually one of if not the last/"newest" of said line being that I haven't seen any with a higher model number (XC-3730c) and seems to support the highest sync rates out of the large monitors(possibly with the exception of one of the NECs).
>not supposed to be a cad monitor or anything like that, makes sense since it doesn't do higher than 800x600
The "not a CAD monitor" is more so for the fact that it wouldn't be terribly sharp with such a large dot pitch. They address that directly when talking about the 26'' Mitsubishi.
I'm in no way qualified to make such a statement, but 800x600 for 1990-91 wouldn't be something I'd call terrible. And looking at the article, it's the XC's that claim to support 800x600, the AM's are limited to just VGA.
Still good enough for Dreamcast though, which I'm sure would look nice on it.
>AM-3501R 266lb
>XC-3715c 216lb
Jesus christ; How did they manage to make a smaller monitor weigh so much more? I thought moving the one I had was hell with just those little hand holds on the bottom; I can't imagine another 50lbs on top of that.
>>2882319
Looks like it has a bit of pin cushioning going on, but still really nice; Did you try adjusting it in the service menu at all?
