What do we define as retro?
As video game consoles ramp up to 4-5 year lifespans as opposed to the old/expected 7-8 years, why are Xbox, PlayStation 2 and GameCube not considered retro consoles?
Granted, PlayStation 2 lasted until what, 2013? So I can kind of understand discontinuation dates, but, what's the actual reason we can't talk about systems from 2000 and 2001-2002?
You can totally talk about this but I don't it's gonna change anything any time soon.
>What do we define as retro?
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.
>>2857226
To be more specific,
Why?
Why don't we define the other three as retro? You can't talk about that shit on /v/
>>2857218
>As video game consoles ramp up to 4-5 year lifespans as opposed to the old/expected 7-8 years, why are Xbox, PlayStation 2 and GameCube not considered retro consoles?
They are the start of modern gaming. Objectively speaking there’s no argument for it. 6th gen is the start of modern gaming and will never be retro.
>>2857218
Retro doesn't just mean old, it's a generational function. The PS2 is old but largely it's games are modern era with modern design principles.
You can discuss them on /v/, if no one gives a shit well that's modern gamers fault for not giving a shit about their consoles and really as to be expected.
Including PS2 and later consoles even as they age out is really counterintuitive to what retrogaming is, which is not modern gaming.
>>2857227
>You can't talk about that shit on /v/
/moot/ and heir to the legacy /hiroshima/ have designated /v/ as the board in which to discuss PS2/Xbox/GC stuff.
It's board politics man, you can't fight it like that. It's the way it is, yea the userbase there is mostly or completely shit, deal with it.
>>2857237
>yea the userbase there is mostly or completely shit, deal with it.
Coincidentally, those are the people who "grew up" with the PS2/Xbox/GC stuff. Shit console libraries deserve shit userbases, so all it well.
>>2857218
Just post about what games you want to, OP. It'll stay up for a while for a day at least. People who are worth talking to won't throw a fit about it. We have ANIME threads on /vr/ all the time, for pete's sake.
Honestly, I'd rather /v/ just be renamed /b2/ and just have this be the board where we actually talk about games.
It's arbitrary and it's how I like it. We got plenty of games and consoles to talk about in here, without having to deal with a "Halo is retro" invasion.
>>2857268
I didn't now anybody would care about a Halo game that isn't the latest one. Or do you just mean troll threads?
Retro is whatever you like. Not retro is whatever triggers you.
>>2857278
Are you joking?
Halo is seen as the start fo the cancer that is the console FPS. The fanbase is terrible and the game is meh.
>>2857234
The Dreamcast is modern, though.
>>2857282
>Halo is seen as the start fo the cancer that is the console FPS.
You're talking about the wrong generation, kid. Trust me, there were just as many Golden Eye frat parties back in the day as Halo ones. I can't even count how many I went to. Fuck.
Fuck, PS1 was the console that specifically targeted itself to dudebro non gamer teens/college students.
>>2857278
>I didn't now anybody would care about a Halo game that isn't the latest one.
You obviously don't know the right (aka WRONG) people
>tfw the MP demo for Halo feat. Blood Gulch was active for more than 10 years until the servers were shut down
>tfw tweens went through puberty while playing Halo 2 and did not absolutely give up playing online until the servers were forcibly shut down in 2010
>>2857295
Just stop. You thinking any of the N64 FPSes play like Halo shows how fucking young you are.
Please do us all a favor and stick to /v/. Leave the Halo shit there.
Unlike 6thgen and later there were no FPSes or sports games in the top5 of consoles best sellers. Leave the dudebro shit in /v/ too, kid
>>2857306
What's wrong with the Doom general? It's a retro FPS.
Dreamcast is modern.
While I sympathize with your point of view OP, do you really think making a new topic to prove your point every time the old one dives face-first off page ten is going to yield results?
>>2857307
>Leave the dudebro shit in /v/ too, kid
It's amazing people act this unironically edgy on 4chan. You may as well unsheathe your katana too.
>>2857314
Look at this kid defending his dudebro shit this hard. He's probably not even trolling. Holy shit.
>>2857314
And yet his point is still sound. Halo is cancer, and the dudebros it spawned are so much wasted carbon.
>>2857330
This is the first time I've responded to you. I just wanted to call you an edgelord.
>>2857337
You just randomly pop into a post chain to defend a dudebro game like Halo.
Man you guys are truly a special fanbase.
>>2857313
No, I'm just majorly confused on Dreamcast being retro.
>>2857346
I knew some retard would take that out of context. Please tell me how any of those consoles are “dudebro”? Especially since the term wasn’t a thing till later.
>>2857345
I said nothing about Halo. I was just amazed to see Gamefaqs-tier edge on 4chan.
>>2857218
> Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>>2857347
There are exceptions, like Deus Ex.
DC and DX have been part of /vr/ since like forever, only newfags complain but they are free to try and discuss either of them on /v/ and see how it goes.
>>2857353
Maybe you should do another 3 posts about how people are being edgy?
Calling the Halo fanbase dudebros is hardly edgy btw.
>>2857307
>>2857279
>sports games are the devil because reasons
> FPSes or sports games in the top5 of consoles best sellers is apparently a "non-retro thing"
>Golden Eye, an FPS game is the third best selling N64 game ever
>>2857347
It was released before 2000. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
Who made the decision?
I'd like to ask them why 1999 is the cut off.
In 2020, are we going to be saying Xbox is modern while the Nintendo NX has two computer screens and holographic displays erupt out of the PlayStation 6?
>>2857358
pssshhht whatever u say kid...
*does an epic teleport behind u*
*slice u with EPIC katana*
take dis retrofag, back to /v/r with u
>>2857358
>Maybe you should do another 3 posts about how people are being edgy?
On /v/ that would be 6 independant threads.
Seriously, they can't even keep the Smash stuff in a single one as of now.
>>2857347
I honestly think that was an exception someone on-staff in the era of m00t crafted so they could fulfill their maximum Sega boner. In a completely consistent /vr/ I'm pretty sure DC wouldn't be allowed either.
Still, it won't be long until the PS2 era is retro as well. All in good time...
>>2857362
>Who made the decision?
/moot/ did
>I'd like to ask them why 1999 is the cut off.
He's gone, you're free to contact /hiroshima/. You can try posting thme here but I don't think he comes here often.
>>2857373
PS2 will NEVER be considered retro.
>>2857370
Well, you like it and you're acting like a dudebro, senpai.
>>2857379
oh look it's cap'n obvious replying to obvious bait
have some self-respect man
>>2857381
What a great argument.
>>2857389
Yes we can. Just make a new board /vr2k/ for games made after 1999 and are too old for /v/
>>2857379
Anybody have the "museum 100 years in the future destroys the last remaining gamecube in existence because of /vr/" post saved?
>>2857395
That would be up to management. I can't say it'd be an ideal solution, though.
>>2857398
Unless you have a time machine where you can go back to 1999 and give SONY the PS2, I think I can safely say the PS2 will never be retro.
>>2857389
>You can't stay pre-2000 forever.
Retro isn't a stand-in for "old", it's for gaming up to 1999.
If you people don't like our answers, just stop trying to argue. /vr/ wasn't improvised on some shaky foundation even you and those before you try to paint it as such.
>>2857390
No seriously, hyper aggressive and exclusionary. You might as well be wearing your team blazer if that word actually means something.
>>2857403
Only if someone also has the post where someone replied "there would be a different museum for games after 1999:
>>2857268
This. Comfiness comes with a price.
>>2857408
So in 2015 it is now "dudebro" to hate Halo?
>>2857407
>/vr/ wasn't improvised on some shaky foundation
Then why is Dreamcast allowed but the rest of the 6th generation games not allowed?
>>2857421
Because it's pre-2000, the rest aren't. Comprende?
>>2857421
Dreamcast isn't 6th gen; it's 5.5 gen
>>2857430
The context is what is dudebro, champ. Dudebro wasn't a thing when the Genesis was out in the 90s.
>>2857421
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>>2857436
So your entire argument on whether or not something should be allowed on the board is just saying that an insult/MEME exists?
>>2857445
Are you autistic or just trolling at this point?
The rules are there regardless if a game is dudebro or not. Thankfully Halo is excluded so you're left to shitpost in these threads.
>>2857446
>What? It's definitely a millennium console.
Released in 1998, buddy. Milenium starts with the year 2000.
>>2857452
And yet it competed directly against PS2 and had comparative hardware.
>>2857218
/2d/ and /3d/ need to be made so stupid memeposts like this have no foothold anywhere
>>2857454
>And yet it competed directly against PS2 and had comparative hardware.
It's free to compete with anything in the same market, even if it comes out two years later. Irrelevant to the rules posted in the sticky.
>>2857461
You're makin' me rage, brotha.
You're assigning arbitrary numbers.
>IT'S BEFORE 1999
>But it was part of the 6th gen and introduced tons of modern elements to games now
>WELL IT'S BEFORE 1999 SO IT'S RETRO
Okay so Xbox is retro because it was developed in 1998/1999 too.
>>2857459
>/3d/
You realize there are 3d games from the 80s right
>>2857470
He's part of the modern gaming community that thinks 3d started with 5th gen and indie games are retro I'm assuming.
>>2857470
so they would go in /3d/? what about that doesn't make sense? its a solid rule list. there are 2d games/retro games made yesterday and i dont really understand the arbitrary 1999 limit
>>2857473
im suggesting detaching retro, something that means nothing, from the board theme, not that retro started with something else or whatever the fuck you are implying
>>2857459
What about 2.5d games like doom?
>>2857474
Too many problems like isometric sprites, 2d made with polygons, etc.
>>2857473
MAkes sense he'd be one of the idiots that would assign an arbitrary number to retro
>IF IT'S 1999 IT'S RETRO
>But Dreamcast is totally modern and competed in the 6th generation
>IT AIN'T MODERN, IT'S RETRO CAUSE BEFORE 1999
>What
>RETRO!!!!
>Retro means old but cool
>Old means outdated or aged
>Xbox 360, PS3, Wii can be considered old but not outdated... Xbox, PS2, and GameCube are definitely outdated
I don't think an argument can be made that says Xbox, PS2, Dreamcast, and GameCube are not "Retro" at this point.
>>2857468
>You're makin' me rage, brotha.
Trying to discuss in a civil manner for once, stay with me, I'm just explaining the rules.
>IT'S BEFORE 1999
No, before 2000. Anything up to and including 1999, NOT 2000
(Deus Ex is an exception, for example but I dont know all of them and I don't want to confuse matters)
>But it was part of the 6th gen and introduced tons of modern elements to games now
I didn't mention generations anywhere because there's half-generations, of which the DC is a part of, and you're having some trouble with whole numbers so I'll just follow the simplest line of logic, 1999 good, 2000 bad.
>WELL IT'S BEFORE 1999 SO IT'S RETRO
Correct, and if it's 1999 it's retro as well.>>2857468
>Okay so Xbox is retro because it was developed in 1998/1999 too.
Why are you now talking about development? It's none of our concern if the Xbox was in development during retro years. You're only making it harder for you to understand the rules if you keep adding irrelevant parameters to a pretty simple set of rules.
>>2857491
> there's half-generations,
>>2857491
I understand the rules you fucking idiot.
My point is they are arbitrary.
WHY is 1999 the number?
WHY? Do you know WHY? If not, following the rule for no reason makes no fucking sense.
>>2857497
what are you even trying to say? that would be 3d. games like xcom are 3d. games like grand theft auto are 3d. games like doom are 3d. they are 3d period, there is no 2.5d because they use models
>>2857504
You're a special person. I don't want to argue with someone that has that ridiculous of an opinion.
>>2857504
You can't move in 3d in doom, you can only move in 2d. There is no z-axis movement. So it is 2D then?
>>2857497
Is it really 1st? I think it's more 3rd to 5th since anything pre-NES sadly gets trolled to hell and back with 80% of the posts screaming that Atari/Intellivison/whatever is "UNPLAYABLE!!!"
>>2857509
>Ignoring the "Why" question
Nice.
>>2857512
Fuck those trolls.
240p
4:3 aspect ratio
1st-5th gen is retro,. 6th gen and later is modern.
>Everything before 2000 is retro
Well I say everything before 2014 is retro!
Don't like it, there are plenty of other chans where those rules don't exist!
It's time we update the fucking "Before 2000" thing.
Let's try "before 2004" please.
>tfw with these rules, Gameboy Advance isn't retro
It definitely is.
>>2857517
>6th gen is modern
Including Dreamcast.
>>2857517
That doesn't work or else a lot of arcade machines and Japanese PCs are banned.
>>2857525
I think so but I can see why it gets a pass here. Last SEGA console and whatnot.
>>2857528
Last Sega console that was also 6th gen and modern.
>>2857517
>240p
>4:3 aspect ratio
Like most PS2 games?
>>2857527
Go by the console age then. Arcades were dead by the early 2000s anyway.
>>2857531
Almost all PS2 games are 480i, kiddo.
>>2857540
They very but the majority are 4:3.
>>2857218
The sticky declares games made in or before 1999 to be "retro", and this post was made in 2014.
Given that "retro" changes it's definition over time, I would say that "retro" then, by board definition is anything which is older than the gap between 2014 and 1999, so anything older than 15 years = retro.
Thus, since it's 2015, games from 2000 are good, and next year, we can talk about halo.
However, most GCN, Xbox and ps2 games came out long after 2000, so we won't be discussing them until the 2020s at best.
>>2857535
Basically these are just other arbitrary numbers meant specifically to exclude shit you don't like.
There's no reasoning behind it.
>>2857547
>facts
>arbitrary
Cool!
>>2857543
That sticky was made in 2013 and updated in 2014. Neither time did the 1999 rule change, nor will it next year, just as it didn't this year either.
>>2857550
Someone's really mad about his arbitrary retro distinction.
>>2857552
>b-b-b-but there's like 5 N64 games that have a faux widescreen mode so they aren't retro
Holy shit the autism.
>>2857549
If you can only move in a 2d plane, then its 2d.
>>2857560
Why am I mad, kiddo? Going by the resolution of these consoles fits pretty nice with the 99 cutoff.
>>2857565
>kiddo
You must be pretty young to not remember the Dreamcast coming out in the 6th generation.
>>2857571
I think you're confusing me with someone else, champ.
if we just start forcing it they will give in
>>2857218
NEVER EVER.
BACK TO /v/ KIDDO
MODS MODS MODS.
We don't even have mods to enforce the current rules, never mind new ones.
>>2857582
>Non-retro threads are deleted constantly and quickly
>>2857563
not every 3d game needs 3d movement, see kirby 64, duke nukem 3d (note the 3d), warcraft 3, etc
the whole point is to differentiate perspective, you are suggesting that all the games that aren't 3d platformers and fps games with multiple levels aren't 3d excluding most of all '3d' games.
>>2857591
Ummm...
This topic warrants discussion. I frequent other "retro" watering holes and it is still unclear or seemingly too strict on the classification. Sure PS2 isn't "retro" but it's old. Nobody would talk about or appreciate Gradius V (a fantastic PS2 release) on a modern shitposting board. I dont have all the answers but I would like to see this topic thought about.
>>2857613
Yes, but what are we, anon? Are we /vr/ - /v/ But With A Bit Less Shitposting, or are we /vr/ - Retro Games? Just because we'd be better off talking about it here doesn't mean it belongs here.
>>2857498
>I understand the rules you fucking idiot.
>My point is they are arbitrary
Like most rules?
>>2857591
I count four on the first two pages alone. One has been up for over a week.
>b-before 2000!!!!!
I'm not sure how much time needs to pass before 6th gen is considered retro here, but you can be sure that /vr/ fuckwits will do anything to talk around the explicit "retro" connotations that are synonymous with any 6th gen console's age.
>>2857227
what do the other three have in common?
dual. analog. sticks.
there's your reason.
>>2857654
They'll make a new board for ps2/gc/xbox and onwards. You can't put super mario bros 1 and halo 1 together on the same board and call them "retro".
Like just allowing ps2 alone would kill this board.
>>2857218
>What do we define as retro?
Whatever some mod says. Dictionaries be damned.
>>2857218
THE WIZARDS DID NOT GROW UP WITH THESE FILTHY CONSOLES,
Just wait for the 90s babies to become Wizards, itll change then.
It isn't a time based unlock where everything becomes retro after a given amount of time. The time period set out on this board represents an era in gaming. Most of what came after 1999 represents big changes in many areas. Not just the games themselves but also how organized the industry became in pushing it.
Some people take issue with the word "retro". Would they still be as pissed if the board were called "Classic Games" or something else? Perhaps we could consider everything from the beginning of time up until the 2000 split, "the first era". The the second era could be everything after that point until the demise of consoles, which probably isn't too far away. That would mark the beginning of the third era, at which point the separatists here can petition mook for a /vr2/ for second era games and consoles.
Also:
>125 posts
>26 IPs
I hate pulling the conspiracy/agenda cards, but the influx of spam and bait threads over the past week should have given you a clue.
>>2857218
Sorry, but the only way PS2/Xbox/GC/GBA games are allowed is if they have ports of retro games or retro game compilations. The Dreamcast is allowed because it has many ports of N64 and PS1 games. That and well, it came out before 2000.
>>2857943
No-one cared about ports until it became an easy way for shitposters to make threads solely about the new games.
>What's the definitive version of [insert game]? DS or PSP? (Obnoxious DS box art in the OP)
If it's substantially different from its /vr/ approved counterpart, it shouldn't probably be allowed. FF7 remake for instance.
If it's a direct port or re-release then I don't think anyone cares.
>>2857218
>As video game consoles ramp up to 4-5 year lifespans as opposed to the old/expected 7-8 years
Right, except the 360 is still going 10 years later.
I don't make the rules but /vr/ is two(?) years old and the cutoff point is the year 2000.
In three years, when it's been 5 years in total since the board's conception, we could raise the bar to 2001.
>>2858001
The way the console rule works, that would mean letting in the entirety of the PS2 library.
>>2858001
That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Why would five years passing amount to upping the limit by one year?
>>2857957
The only obnoxious thing about those (typically legitimate) threads is people like you getting self important and claiming the entire thing should be deleted because you don't like them, despite them being well within the rules.
>>2857918
It's no conspiracy, it's the same dozen or so idiots on each side arguing against the other dozen endlessly while most of the board doesn't really care
>>2858008
>well within the rules
Read the sticky. If you go strictly by the rules, if it was released after 2000 it isn't allowed unless the console itself was released before 2000. There isn't any special exception for remakes or even ports.
Sorry, but that's just how it is. We just turned a blind eye to it until people started taking advantage of it.
>>2858009
12 + 12 = 24
But there are 31 unique posters in the thread.
>>2858009
Agreed. Calling it a conspiracy is giving them far too much credit. It's just a few losers who show up every few months and spam the same shit for a few weeks.
>>2858013
31 - 24 = 7
7 + 3 = 11
31 + 11 = 42
I never saw it coming
>>2858012
To be fair, with the stupidly vague sticky we have to base our assumptions of the specifics more one what the mods/forfrees actually do. And they clearly don't care about ports.
>>2857957
NO. There is NO acceptable reason to discuss ports on /vr/
Either the port is the same, or it is different.
If the port is the same, then the original version could be discussed instead.
If the port is different, then it is in fact NOT the same game, but actually a different game (as it has been changed from the original), and if that port was made after 1999, then it is a new game made after 1999, and it should NOT be discussed on /vr/
>>2858020
And then there's people like this guy. You're probably an American who'd vote for Trump.
>>2858020
I was generally okay with port discussion when it was a case of pointing out all the reasons why the port is worse than the original but yeah, I agree with all that. Can't give these fuckers an inch.
>>2858020
What about ports made before 1999, like Donkey Kong on NES?
>>2858029
>made before 1999
Guess what?
>>2857310
The "Doom" General, like many other generals on /vr/, allow for non-retro discussion. Sometimes, its tame (Like said Doom general) where there is rarely discussion of non-retro stuff, but other times it is pure non-retro talk (like the Rollercoaster Tycoon general). I don't see why generals are allowed to break the rules.
>>2858056
>muh feelings
>ps2 is old enough but not ps3
Holy shit you kids make me lose hope. You really do.
how about if the game was provably released over 15 years ago then it's kosher
>>2857241
But then this board would become /v/
It's already worse than when it started.
Modern gaming discussion is and always will be a clusterfuck. I actually like modern games, I'm not one of those old men you sometimes see on /vr/ who hates every game from PS1 onwards, but for some reason modern games just don't breed good discussion.
>>2857294
A very large amount of the Dreamcast's library are /vr/ fighting and shmup arcade ports, games in the same vein as /vr/ fighting and shmup arcade games, and PS1 multiplats.
They should change the board to /19v/ - Twentieth Century Gaming. End the debate once and for all.
>>2857227
>You can't talk about that shit on /v/
Says who? People do that all the time.
>>2858046
>implying rule breaking
This has been an implied thing since day 1. One may talk about non-retro as long as it pertains to the retro topic. For example remakes, ports, sequels if it pertains even. RCT2 is a glorified expansion pack to the original but it has the modding tools. Therefore most of it goes to the second when it comes to the general.
Sometimes we talk about Deus Ex or Arcanum because close to the date. Big whoop.
>>2858020
I envy your bait skills. You always seem to drop in at the right time to get maximum rage.
Teach me master.
>>2858019
Actually the janitors at least view the some of the NOT RETRO as shitposting, and will delete the post if it's complaining about a port/remake.
Hiro called, he said chill.
>>2857582
We have a janitor but they prefer deleting ontopic threads with opinions they don't like while leaving offtopic threads they do like up for weeks.
>>2857314
>edgy
There's that word again!
>>2857231
Maybe the laziest, dumbest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
>objectively
Back to /r/gaming, little one.
Because there was a definite shift around the turn of the millennium. Games before then are different from games after then.
>>2858561
Sorry kid but no.
240p
4:3
fmv/prerendered 3d
low polygon count
That changed from 6th gen and later.
Holy shit this board is dead. You're all incredibly toxic, conceited douchebags that refuse to accept the existence of someone with different opinions than you. Fuck, you guys hate video games. There's no community here, it's a bunch of little kids kicking each other in the dick. I guess it's always been that way. Every so often I check back in to see if there are some interesting threads or something, but this is insane. It's been too long since I've seen people have a decent discussion here. This used to be a smaller board where conversations happened. Not trying to be nostalgic and claim /vr/ was better in the old days or some shit, and it's still probably not as pants-on-head retarded as /v/, but this is actually embarrassing. But you're just going to make fun of me for this post and then go on to keep painting the walls with your shit.
>>2858563
Retro = Pre-2005, dumbass
This has been up for more than a day, so obviously the mods don't care about deleting 6th gen shit now. I'm gonna go make a Gamecube thread.
The answer is that this board is for pre-2000 consoles' games, based on the rules. "Retro games" can be thought of as shorthand to describe them. If you think retro means pre-2005, great, but that doesn't make something released in 2002 released before 2000.
>i dont want 6th gen on /vr/
>>2858593
Yes it does.
>>2858593
Maybe I'm just getting old but if you honestly think Halo isn't retro at this point you're deluding yourself.
>>2858619
It's likely the same people that think JRPGs are good.
>>2857234
I mean, 100 years from now, I think it will be silly to not consider the PS2 "retro". Yeah, that particular console will always represent a pretty big generational leap in what gaming was, but there will undoubtedly be other leaps in the future, so I think it's weird to identify that as the retro line for all time.
I agree that the PS2 isn't retro right now, though.
>>2857517
This would make Gamecube and Wii retro. I'm cool with this.
>>2857957
Fuck you, ports are always allowed.
Also, some ports are great and a better investment. Why spend needless cash on a Chrono Trigger SNES cartridge when I can get the DS card for cheap?
>>2857664
The PS1 had dual analog sticks.
>>2858012
Based on how mods handle them (as in, deleting the faggot REEEEE NOT RETRO posts), and always do, we can extrapolate that ports are allowed.
>>2858020
Ports are another way to play retro games, should we also ban emulators, emulator boxes, hardware clones and flashcarts because they weren't made before 1999?
>>2858650
not at launch, hombre.
>>2858687
I know that, cakeboy, but it doesn't change the fact that dual sticks became the standard for the PSX.
The Genesis only had 3 face buttons at first but that standard was changed.
>>2858735
Analog support on the PSX was tacked-on, a gimmick at best.
Go find a used Genesis and tell me what controller it has. The 3-button is utterly ubiquitous. They may have made 6 'the standard' but that doesn't mean it was anywhere as widely in use.
>Retro
Pre-Saturn and PSX
>Semi retro
32 bits in general
>Borderline semi retro
Dreamcast
>Not retro
PS2, GBA and beyond.
>>2858650
>Dr. Mario (NES)
Allowed because it runs on a /vr/ approved console.
>Dr. Mario (GBA)
Allowed because the host console (GBA) is emulating a /vr/ approved console (NES).
>Super Mario World (SNES)
Allowed because it runs on a /vr/ approved console.
>Super Mario Advance (GBA).
Not allowed, because it is not running on a /vr/ approved console.
For our purposes, an emulator emulating a particular console falls into the same category as the console itself.
The definition of port is a bit hazy here. For the most part, anything we can consider a port can also be considered a remake. There is no exemption in the rules for them, so they are subject to the same rules as every other game. The only thing that can save it is whether or not it runs on a /vr/ approved console, either physically or via emulation.
We should probably get rid of the word "retro" and come up with something else without changing any of the rules. It seems to confuse a lot of people who think retro = old.
>>2857231
>They are the start of modern gaming.
I would argue the Playstation is the beginning of modern gaming. 3d-centric and focused on broad appeal.
>>2857307
>You thinking any of the N64 FPSes play like Halo shows how fucking young you are.
Your ability to completely miss the point is impressive.
I think 4chan should make a new board /vm/ vidya millennium. Because millennials edge with retro gamers (crt fags, collecteurs, Pixel purists) but also with modern gamers (ugly undertale trannys, wii u negros and fallout 4/gta kiddies). The millennials are the emo/scene kid/hipster generation of all gaming generations. Now everyone would be happy as anyone would have their safe-space.
>>2857218
Personally 1st-4th generation is retro to me. The jump to 3-d saw a beginning of huge change in not just how games were made, but what games were made.
>>2859042
This dumb kids thinks 3d started with 5th gen. Oh boy the state of /vr/ these days.
>>2859045
the funniest meme posters are the butthurt Snes fags that claim psx isn't 3d. I laugh everytime I see them. they clearly have never played spiro or doom raider.
I don't get why it is so hard to just accept that, as it stands under the current board rules, "retro videogames" doesn't mean "old videogames relative to the current year," but "games for platforms which were made prior to the year 2000." Write to our Japanese overlord if you want it changed, because otherwise it isn't part of the board discussion just like how scat hentai doesn't belong on /h despite it still being porn drawn by a Japanese artist.
>>2857227
You want the real answer? To keep the board the way it is. The reason WHY this is such a relatively great board with not that much shitposting and actual discussions is BECAUSE it is such a niche board! A nice more or less hidden corner where people can talk about their not- so mainstream and therefore not so frequented hobby.
As soon you open it up to newer systems it will become /v/ 2.0 You can already see this when comparing this board as it is now to when it was new. Restricting it to these older system makes
a: The userbase statisticly older, because they mostly will be people who were young when these consoles were state of the art, and
b: Keeps it relatively hidden. the board here HAS to stay small in order to keep being the way it is. Allowing newer systems will increase the userbase which is BAD for this kind of board.
THAT is why they are excluded from being seen as "retro" and that is why they SHOULD KEPT this way.
WHen making the board the aesthestics of the consoles and such were relevant for setting a cutoff point, but now it is important to keep that point simply to keep the board the way it was.
>>2857370
It's really cute how you think wrestling games, edgy mascot Conker, 1080/Tony Hawk, Killer Instinct/Mortal Kombat, Goldeneye splitscreen, and the rest of the first person shooter collection aren't appealing to dudebros.
I'm not saying N64 is a dudebro console, that audience can overlap just about anything.
>>2859207
Called context, champ
>>2857562
Only a small percentage of PS2 games have 16:9 or progressive scan.
>>2859219
Not everything is an absolute. Take your autism pills.
>>2859223
Are you being serious right now? Generally curious because you're like the 8th idiot in this thread to not understand this simple concept. Seems to be common in these threads.
>>2859102
Older people tend to be more stupid though.
>>2859224
The only reason autism I see in this thread are a bunch of shitters trying to cherrypick really bad reasons why 6th gen isn't retro.
>uhhh it's got 3D graphics!
>uhhh it's got analog sticks!
>uhhh it supports widescreen!
>uhhh it supports progressive scan!
>uhhh it was too popular!
>uhhh it still had a couple games coming out in '10!
That is real autism.
>>2859223
Not retro. Also there's nearly 300 games that support 16:9 or progressive scan. There's like 10 that support 1080.
>>2859053
Technically the games are 2D bro
>>2859243
Sure.
Me pointing out the resolutions and aspect rations isn't cherry picking or autism. It's a dividing factor between retro and new. Modern consoles being 6th and later generations.
>>2859280
>And I'm saying some PS1 and N64 games had 16:9 too, meaning those factors cannot count.
I think a handful of PS1 games had 16:9. N64 none did. They had a widescreen mode that was letterboxed.
You’re talking about a very niche thing.
The vast majority of all games from 1stgen to 5thgen are 240p and 4:3 aspect ratio.
The vast majority of 6thgen and later games are 480i/p or higher and 16:9 capable.
If you don’t see this divide here you’re a troll or just a very dumb person who has too much feeling in his opinion and not enough fact.
>>2859247
The PSX didn't render sprites, only polygons.
Every sprite you see in a PSX game was a flat model with the grahic pasted on it.
>>2859287
Virtua Fighter on 32X has a widescreen mode.
>>2859297
There's exceptions. There's early 480i games too.
That doesn't change what I said.
>>2859287
Xbox pushed 16:9 and progressive scan as a standard.
I still have difficulty finding a use for PS2 component cables because most (yes, MOST) of its library does not support 16:9, progressive scan, or both. You guys love to push how PS2 is some 16:9 480p machine that "has a handful of 1080 games." If 480 interlaced is such a trigger word for autists, I'm saying PS1 had a few instances of 480 interlaced too.
>>2859305
Almost everything on the PS2 is 480i. Read what I said again.
>>2859229
In my experience they are more able to have normal conversations, especially online without shitposting and such.
>>2857218
The reason why is cuz the board has a mad at or cut off not a rolling cut off. So by the board definition it's not retro, your personal definition doesn't matter.
>>2857239
Coincidently that board is becoming quality while this one is starting to fester cuz all us old folks buy into bait to easy.
Oh, our regular thread. Wonder how I missed it.
>>2858992
This.
>>2857307
Well he is right, just cuz you can't see it as that, either from being to young or not being out of the house mich during that period we all played the fuck out of n64 in college and it bled into ps then onwards from there.
>>2857373
You all been saying ps2 will be retro son for years now, you people are worse than the crazy fanatic oj the corner screaming about the end being near.
>>2859294
PSX render sprites similar way the Saturn did, but it was well hidden; PSX polygons are still distorted (triangle though) sprites on a plane. Real 3D rendering on consoles went with N64.
>>2859429
2015 and some kid is honestly trying to argue N64 is a dudebro console.
Just fuck it. Let all the modern shit in. /v/ is here already.
>>2858365
They do its just the user base same as anything. Honestly us old guys get baited easy and don't see it. Sadly /v is becoming better than us now. You know why? Cuz they can talk about the games without a ton of divergence and flaming. They also ignore most of the bait unlike us here.
>>2858572
Looks like Nesfag finally blew a gasket. Someone get his heart med's quick!
to me retro does not totally equal nostalgia though its what people are starting to think. Retro is 1st Gen - Dreamcast, retro gaming overall was in my personal opinion was more arcade-centric, getting Space Invaders and Pac man on Atari or SF II on SNES, Genesis, and PC Engine was a big deal. Thats why I see the Dreamcast being the last retro console since its biggest titles were mostly arcade titles, the death of the dreamcast represented the end of Retro gaming and transition into the modern gaming era thanks to Sony. I'd write more but this isn't wordpress.
>>2859824
>thanks to Sony
While Sony did play a part, I think Microsoft was a much bigger influence in the transition into the modern industry.
>>2859247
Yeah blah blah. If it was 2D you wouldn't be able to render it any resolution you want and it would still look good. You can render both Spyro and Ocarina of Time in 4K and they look amazing. While Mario Kart and Final Fantasy IX both look like shit because
>hurr durr muh 2d stuff
Even Snes could do some 3D even if it was limited and involved some trick. Anyway if polygons are involved like in case of ps1 and the thing with rendering at any resolution it's 3D . You can talk shit all you want, you can't change that fact.
>>2859434
And that is still 3D bro.
>>2859434
The mistake you make is that you think only 3d in terms of perspective but 3D is not just about perspective. 3D means that an object is rendered in three dimensions. You can open Unreal engine and design a 2D game in 3D. Although it's 2D it's technically still a 3D game. You get my point? That is the flaw in you logic. You can even make it 1D.... BUT as soon as Polygons are involved, it's 3D involved. If you create a moving "Sprite" character for Final Fantasy VIII, you have to open up a 3D program called 3ds max, Maya or similar. Those programs work with polygons because they are 3D animation programs. Even if the 3D of ps3 is limited or on an 2D plane , it is still a 3D console because it uses real 3D models just like n64 uses them but not the Snes.
>>2860030
psx not ps3. Sorry lmao
I have no idea how this thread managed to eclipse both the shmup and Castlevania threads in sheer shitposting, but it did.
Retro = Cheap shit you can buy from people who think it's old and useless. That's the only consideration. Most people think it's old and shitty, we know it's cool and valuable. If so, Retro.
>>2857218
I use to determine on what is retro or not is if the game would still be selling used atGamestop.
It's going to be a really weird to see 7th gen being considered retro whenever9thgen comes around.
>>2858804
>PSX
Underage pls go.
>>2857509
jesus christ, I see what this board is, it isnt about "retro gaming" at all, its just neckbeard 30+ year olds circlejerking about "the good ol' days"
>tfw 10 years from now the rules will still be "only consoles up until 2000!"
Jesus Christ this place is worse than /v/ with the autism
>>2860073
>retro = cheap
Not here, no sir. Prices for retro consoles skyrocketed at an alarming rate in the last three years.
>>2857618
except by the very definition of Retro, the PS2 and it's generation belongs here, not on /v/, but we have autists who scream and piss their pants at the thought of anything past their childhood being discussed here, and there are no real mods to actually decide on anything regarding the matter, and Moot definitely didnt care, and Hiro is too busy figuring out how to even Admin properly to care.
its a subject that NEEDS to be discussed, because otherwise, non-meme games that are too old for /v/ to care, but too new for /vr/'s autism to accept will literally disappear and never be talked about, when there's plenty of people on /vr/ that most likely played them, and would probably discuss them.
>>2857695
>You can't put super mario bros 1 and halo 1 together on the same board and call them "retro".
right now I can discuss both Pacman and Final Fantasy 9 on here.
how is that any less jarring a gap?
And compared to what modern Halo, and by extension, the modern FPS Genre has become, I'd say Halo 1 definitely belongs here more than /v/
>>2857998
no, it really isnt.
>>2858804
I dont get how PS2 isnt retro.
It certainly isn't current, like the PS3 can be considered.
if the PS1 could be considered retro when the PS3 was at it's peak, there's no reason for the PS2 to not be retro, when it's in the same position now that the PS1 was last gen.
>>2860243
thats the stupidest idea ever. theres a reason there's a main vidya board, and a retro vidya board.
because /v/ eventually outgrows discussion on older gens, at which point its expected theylll fade to /vr/.
otherwise we'll be filled with /v/ derivatives.
>>2859010
Considering someone had the idea to create a retarded board like /aco/ so yeah, why not? I like 6th gen but it simply don't belong in here
>>2860256
>by 2030 we will have like 15 /vr/ boards each dedicated to a particular generation that the other boards dont want
I dont like this future
>>2860251
it's not a stupid idea, as every generation of gamers has their board then. what is your problem?
>>2860258
what is your problem? only trolls would love one board for all gens so they can fight. we don't want fights on /vr/ we want peace. so naturally a /vm/ would be beautiful as /vr/ and /vm/ wouldnt destroy each other in one board as it is the case now. why do you dislike problem solving solutions?
You have /vr/ ranging from 80(+pre 80s)-99 (including dreamcast)
You have /vm/ ranging from 94-05 (including psx,n64 and dreamcast as well - crossover - but also psp )
so every 10 years a board. by 2030 we would have 4 and not 15.
/v/ for current. /vr/ , /vm/ and /vmx/
>>2860262
every 10 to 20 years.
/vmx/ would be 06 to end of ps4 xbone era.
>>2860258
2bh I only care about /vr/, don't care if other anons are shit flinging in their boards masturbating to console specs or other things
>>2857218
The earliest I can imagine 6th gen being allowed in is once we've hit the 2020's when 9th gen is relevant.
And even then, once that does happen, we'd then need an additional rule to ban PS2 games from 2007 onwards, and any 05-06 multiplat games that were also released on 7th gen consoles.
>>2860165
you're probably fucking underage or just barley 18, but this is probably bait.
>>2860364
>we'd then need an additional rule to ban PS2 games from 2007 onwards, and any 05-06 multiplat games that were also released on 7th gen consoles.
that's actually what I was thinking, I'd like to see that tested out or something.
Most ps2 games after 06 were just sports games, shovelware or inferior ports anyways
I can't believe this thread has stayed up for almost 3 days while my Gamecube thread was removed within the hour. Mods are fucking hypocrites is all I have to say.
A few words in support of the 6th gen as retro, perhaps in a few years - the transition between 6 and 7 brought several commonalities. Hard drives and online infrastructures went from experimental to standard. With such support in place, consoles were able to operate entirely through net delivery and forego physical media. They started streaming Netflix and Spotify. Essentially, unlike the previous generations, 7th gen onward no longer saw their machines as dedicated gaming consoles - they became universal media consumption devices.
That is why I see 6th gen as the last breath of a paradigm. It was couch multiplayer's last hurrah before "a console per person" became commonplace. It was the last time Nintendo churned out one for us, before selling out. It was the swan song of the JRPG as the genre with the most public presence. After all that, it became an iPhone's word, baby. The "console" as a concept rests in peace.
>>2857218
Because fuck hosting Persona and Melee discussion here
Jesus fuck why does a thread like this need to be up at all fucking times
Just go post on /v/ and leave us alone
>>2860483
you sound like someone from tumblr.
>leave us alone
>muh safe space
>retrosogyny
>>2860483
>ban melee from /vr/
>ban halo from /vr/
>ban cod from /vr/
>persona stays on /vg/
Already looking up.
>>2860402
6th gen started the HDDs and online play...
Just stop.
>>2860206
Exactly. It's horrifically stupid.
>>2857218
All consoles should be considered retro since they're all horribly out of date.
>>2860216
Which is why it needs to adapt every generation or so.
Xbox, PS2, GC are all retro now. People need to grow up and accept it.
>>2860501
Not that anon, but you're jumping to a hell of a conclusion. I think 6th gen is absolutely retro, but I sure don't want the cancer that is Smash and even more fucking JRPGs being posted here.
>>2860208
You're buying from other enthusiasts, not normals.
>>2857218
Better question; when will you faggots finally get laid?
>>2860483
>go on /v/
>nobody wants to discuss game because it's old
>go to /vr/
>autists shitfit that it isnt old enough
>>2860667
early-mid 6th gen is definitely retro, at least insofar as the gaming culture is concerned.
I still remember the 'cool" vidya displays in places like K-Mart and vidya still being advertised much in the same was as the 5th gen was.
it was 7th gen that totally changed the core culture of gaming
