Why is Vanilluxe the most disliked pokemon design? Its not even made of ice cream and only LOOKS like the part which shows that it's design had some creative thought put into it.
>>26031906
Haters cant stand for pure STAB Ice Beam
>>26031906
Because the most of the players don't have an artistic mind.
>>26031906
>most disliked
>Not iron filing moustache or someone's floating housekeys
>>26031906
Because /vp/ can only think literally and we can expect that stupid strawman about the hotdog any second now
>>26031950
>>26031906
> Clever designs are hated
> Animal copypastes are loved
Why world
>>26031989
Cleverness is subjective.
>>26031906
I just find it odd it grows an extra head for seemingly no reason? Is there any explanation for it?
>>26032065
You mean like every other mon who grows shit upon evolution?
Who cares? It's an ice monster.
>>26032065
All of the Pokemon that gain/lose heads have disturbing implications.
>>26032043
Absolutely disagree. A clever design is a clever design, it doesn't matter if you like more or less.
>>26031906
It's literally just furfags who wish Pokemon was just about elemental animals instead of weird shit. Absolutely nobody unironically hates Vanilluxe unless they jerk it to bestiality, those that say otherwise are just perpetuating a stale meme that refuses to die.
>>26031906
>ice cream mon isn't made of ice cream
>you will never own an ice cream mon ;_______;
>>26032115
On the other hand, most popular Pokemon don't have to be the most clever designs or the best designs.
A good example is Charizard, it is just a generic dragon and is probably the most popular Pokemon.
>>26031906
I explained elsewhere, but western mythology is rather devoid of inanimate object-based monsters. You've got elementals (hence why nobody hates Geodude), plants, slimes, and animated armor, but that's it. Exeggcute and Magnemite are on the edge of what western fans will accept in their monsters, and anything beyond that you'll get "No, that's a stupid design for a monster! Stick to convention, damnit!"
>>26032124
Unfortunately, not true.
>>26031989
>>26032124
>old thread whining about Vanilluxe
>tell the naysayers to come up with something better
>their "solution" is a camel made of literal ice cream
Wow, Allah (pbuh) has really run out of ideas, hasn't He?
>>26032115
Then who decides if its a clever design or not? you?
>>26031906
Not being actual ice-cream is only relevant for lore reasons. From a deisgn standpoint it's literally just an ice-cream with two stupid faces
>creative
You sure have low standards on what is "creative", if you think Vanilluxe is clever
These threads are ridiculous. Vanilluxe isn't actually ice cream and all of you fucking know it.
No one has ever shat on Chandelure, Cofagrigus, Aegislash, Bronzong and Wobbuffet and all of those are object based. Who are all these faggots that hate ice cream anyway?
Fuck you and this double standard.
>>26032427
Because all those pokémon don't look like ass
There's no double standard, it's like saying you can't like Arcanine and dislike Ninetales at the same time because they're both animals
>>26031906
because hating vanilluxe is a meme
a couple downsy people making and/or posting those "POKEMON RAN OUT OF IDEAS" memes ingrained the thought that vanilluxe is a bad design into 4chan and the people on facebook who haven't touched pokemon since gen 2.
it's just a highly vocal group that based their opinions on le funny internet pics and misguided spite and not personal experience
now if you say anything otherwise you're a "contrarian" shitter
what we SHOULD be concerned with are pokemon designs with wasted potential
>>26032447
Except Vani doesn't look like ass.
Nice opinions there. Now check these singles.
>>26032364
Nobody. It's obvious when a design is clever. Had you thought of unifying "icefall" and "ice cream" concepts? Or had you created an unispired literal ice cream like deviantArt fakemon?
>>26032463
>people that don't like what I like are memes
Whatever you say, edgy contrarian teen. Don't worry you're surely more mature for liking a "silly" design of an ice-cream with down syndrome face than all those people that like dragon and shit
>>26032492
proving my point, but ok
>>26032504
>I can't deal with the fact that people think a shitty pokémon design looks like shit
It must being awful being you, having to racionalize some le Internet conspiracy eveytime someone disagrees with you
>>26032492
It's fucking Pokémon not SMT, you autismo.
You forgot that more than half of all casuals like Pikachu and Jigglypuff. And those are pretty silly looking.
>>26031989
This is why Rotom isn't hated, it's actually clever.
>A plasma ghost pokemon that possesses objects
Let's take a look at Vanilluxe's concept, it's good;
>A pokemon that looks like an ice cream but it's actually a snow-covered monster.
However, it's poorly executed, it doesn't resembles the monster part at all and by this I mean, the visible part of the monster is just way too "conveniently shaped" and uninspired, maybe if Vanilluxe had different stalactite shapes or somer sort of more distinctive feature it wouldn't have so much shit, but no;
Again, rotom forms and litwick line are a good example of well-executed object pokemon;
The former resemble objects possessed by ghosts even if they miss the ghost type. You can tell, let's say, rotom-fan appart from a literal fan because of its shape and unique features like the small plasma limbs, it resembles an object but it resembles a monster as well.
Or litwick line on the other hand, they resemble monsters but objects as well; Litwick is EVEN made of wax like actual candles, but you can clearly distinguish them from its object, just like their evolutions.
tl;dr: Vanilluxe looks at first sight like a literal ice cream with eyes and you can't tell it apart from an actual ice cream unless you research about it.
Just my opinion on why it's disliked.
>>26032504
I mean, you would have thought it. Well, I'm waiting for your creative mind. Surprise me then.
>>26032537
Well of course, because in their siliness, they actually look good. Starting from the fact that who the fuck wants to train an ice-cream, those retarded drooling cross-eyed faces just seal the deal.
Notice how for example Aegislash doesn't get much flack despite being very Yokai-ish. That is because it looks like a decent design.
Your go-to excuse of "waah waah people shit on anything that is not an elemental animal" is null
>>26032571
Again, nice opinion. I know plenty of people who like and have trained a Vanilluxe, including myself.
To each his own on opinions, but don't fucking call someones bro a shit design because you don't like it.
There are 700+ Pokémon out there. Not all of them have to be an ideal representation of what you think a Pokémon should look like.
>>26032467
i think an icecream as a pokemon is retarded and i don't see no cleverness in that.
>>26032619
And yet the best part of you Vanilluxefags is that your go-to arguments are shitting on Muk, Voltorb and Exeggute, even though by your brilliant logic you should love them too
>omg it looks like a pokéball, but it's actually a sentient being, HOW CLEVER
>omg it looks like a pile of slime, but is actually a defined monster, HOW ORIGINAL
>omg it looks like eggs but it's actually SENTIENT SEEDS. GF does it again!
Fuck you, fuck your "bro", an eternal blemish on GF's Pokémon rooster, and fuck your "waaha people only dislike Vanilluxe because le memes!"
>>26032492
>>26032530
I mean the guy has a point, you see memes of Vanilluxe and Garbodor bashing but there's not really anything of other Pokemon with arguably similar or worse designs. No one pays mind to Mr. Mime. Even Klefki and Honedge line bashing stopped once people realized they were competitively good. If Vanilluxe was more viable I think a lot of people would be able to look past his "silly" design, as they do with a lot of Pokemon already. Kind of like Landorus-T, everyone uses him but can they honestly say his design is personally appealing? And if one says yes to that, what exactly is wrong with Vanilluxe? His design isn't all that fantastic or inspiring, but it certainly is cute and likable.
>>26032759
>all those lies in one post
For starters, lots of people still shit on Klefki daily, and even among genwunners it's not uncommom to her them complaining about Jynx and Mr.Mime. Also shitting on Honedge stopped at Aegislash, because Aegislash is heavily stylized, it's not just a sword with an eye
>I don't understand why people dislike muh Vanilluxe
>I don't understand why people even like Landorus-T
Nice logic there, fagtron, but answering that, a flying tiger is way more appealing than an icecream with retarded faggot faces. As of why Vanilluxe is rightfully shat all over plenty of posts in this thread answered that. It's not cute or likable, it's just plain stupid
>>26032759
>bashing stopped once people realized they were competitively good
>>26032812
Christ this underage is getting so mad.
>>26032846
>typical Vanilluxefag
>>26032832
THIS.
Maybe if Vanilluxe or any hated mons had been competitively great its bad reputation had changed completely.
>>26032665
i'm disappointed that almost anyone has never realized that voltorb/electrode are the pokemon universe equivalent of dragon quest's chest mimics, since in the game the items (equivalents of chests) are depicted as pokéballs.
>waah it's just a ball
>>26031906
I like it's first two stages and the snow icicle thing is kind of clever. However it doesn't need three stages and I would like it more if they ditched the food theme.
>>26031906
>which shows that it's design had some creative thought put into it.
you unovabortions would literally defend any abomination.
which is why you will always be irrelevant
>>26031944
Preeeeeetty much this.
>>26033011
The thing that irritates me about them is that they're just electrified balls, they could have opened up like actual pokeballs or something, eat items to use as bait or something i dunno.
>>26032412
See >>26032293
It isn't even an ice cream. It's name is just a pun on the fact that it looks like one and people bitch too much about it.
>>26033946
To be fair, they were pushing the ice cream thing just as much as the icicle thing. Why else would it have a straw sticking out of it? I wish they had just stuck to the icicle thing.
>>26032124
keep projecting retard
i'd rather have an ice genie than a fucking ice cream
>>26032293
doesn't even look like vanilluxe
wrong pic? search for ice cream next time
>>26034039
g8 b8 m8
>>26032427
>cofagrigus
>object
>when it has a creature inside it regardless
>wobbuffet
>object
>when it is clearly a natural adaptation example
>>26034004
The straw was kinda pushing it a bit too far. But at least it serves some use, it's not just there for decoration.
>>26032463
/me *tips tinfoil* at le dumb pooposter
>>26034054
Chandelure, Cofagrigus and Aegislash are all Ghost types, they're excused because the REAL Pokémon is the spirit possessing the object, not the object itself. And Wobbeffet isn't even an object.
I personally do hate Brongzong though, so no debating that one with ya.
>>26032812
Aegislash is actually still a sword with an eye and a shield. I do still dislike it and thing it's pre-evos were more sober design wise.
>>26034051
please elaborate
i don't understand how icicles are remotely related to a floating ice cream
The people who hate it think that concept >= execution.
A literal ice cream Pokemon would be stupid, but it's done well. However, because it is an ice cream Pokemon in concept, this triggers autists.
>>26034109
>this is considered an icicle / stalactite in the US
>>26034144
>photoshopping ice creams with blue waffle cones on a winter landscape
Such a poor effort.
>>26034166
Ok, you are being just sarcastic
>>26032665
It's a sentient icicle. It looks like ice cream as symbiosis with human society. Just pretend moonbeam brought it to life like Muk, since it is so much better according to you.
NEW MEME
LE SMILEY ICE CREAM OF GOOD DESIGN
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have
>>26034197
A reminder that you trying to force this meme isn't making anyone give a shit about it.
>>26034197
Where do I even catch those dex fillers in Black / White?
I'm not even tempted to catch this regional dex with such shitty fakemons appearing on the field.
>>26031906
Nobody cares if it's made of ice cream, ice, or your mum's period. It looks like shit.period
>>26031944
As an artist I'll kindly tell you to fuck off. It doesn't matter how much thought you put into the design if it ends up looking like shit.
>>26034219
Good thing Vanilluxe looks great.
>>26034219
As an artist I'll kindly tell you to fuck off too.
Enjoy your poorly artistic mind and draw more generic dragons and foxes :^)
>>26034272
t. liberal arts student
>n-no seriously, t-there's a deep meaning in this clusterfuck / emptiness duh!
>>26034272
>as an artist
Such a high criteria you have to meet in order to call yourself that, amirite?
>>26034272
>Hey guys look at my super awesome drawing! I know it looks like a turd but it's like super conceptual and meaningful and shit and it's totally not an ugly piece of shit even though it looks like diarrhea
>>26031906
Garbodor is EASILY more disliked.
>>26031989
Clever =/= Good
itt:
"vanilluxe may not be top tier character design, but here's why its neat attributes are an acceptable addition to the series"
"fucking vanilluxefags stop having fun with your shit taste waaaaa"
>>26034291
>>26034332
>>26034392
> I'm artist, thus I hate Vanilluxe
(Clapping)
> I'm artist, thus I like Vanilluxe
(Boos)
Double standards where?
>>26034496
>I'm a liberal arts student, thus I like Vanilluxe
fixd
Vanilluxe's design isn't good and looks way too similar to it's previous evolution, it's basically just Vanillish with another head.
>>26032551
Your opinion is well thought out and objectively correct good sir.
Fixed its design.
>>26031906
For me, it's the goofy face.
I'm fine with Vanillite.
but Vanillish and Vanilluxe have their eyes too close together.
Also the straw coming out of Vanilluxe's head... can someone explain that?
>>26034647
what is there to say
the straw is just a tube coming out of his ice body from underneath his snow cloak, like heatmor's or exploud's tubes
>>26034601
Kill it
>>26034496
What double standard. No one was asking for art credentials when people say they like a design. You bringing up that you're an artist to lend credibility is stupid. Artist like art is a completely subjective category. There are no qualifications for a self proclaimed artist. Many artists have failed to find success because they fail to produce popular pieces of art. You subjective idea of what is or isn't a good design is worth about as much as anyone else'. Since this pokemon gets more criticism than most of the 718 other pokemon, then obviously there's a lot of people that dislike it. If you produce unpopular art, then who cares about what you think?
>>26034601
Nice! Actually looks imposing like a final evolution should, and looks like an actual Pokemon based on ice cream rather than just being an ice cream with two faces.
>>26034601
You forgot to remove the straws which have zero clever natural explanation.
>>26034845
They're arm cannons here.
>>26034802
And magneton looks imposing how? Or wigglytuff? Dugtrio? BLISSEY?
>>26034845
Why does Blastoise have cannons?
>>26034197
Might as well throw these in too
>>26034927
Robopons have the best chests.
>>26031906
I hate aegeslash as much a vanulluix would say klefkey was just a bit stupid. Why otherwise we could have gotten a sword made of ice that looks like a keyblade. For pokemon is running out of ideas.
>>26034903
>Magneton
Why do you think Magnezone was made?
>Wigglytuff
You mean the Pokemon that can inflate itself to gigantic sizes?
>Dugtrio
If you've ever gone through Diglett's Cave, you'd know they're about as imposing as it gets in-game.
>Blissey
Look at its HP stat and tell me that's not imposing.
>>26034958
And Vanilluxe is a fucking Ice elemental that hits like a frozen Gengar. They make Arcticuno look like a frozen Peep.
>>26035049
No. It's a Siamese ice cream.
>>26034880
Ok but what natural explanation do they have? Because they just look like straws from an ice cream sunday.
>>26034924
Siphons and general jet propulsion in sea animals. Pretty clever it has something hidden away in its shell.
The arm cannons on mega blastoise are stupid though. A turtle has no reason to grow shells on it's arms.
>>26035230
Don't forget Slurpuff's cherry.
>>26035237
Indeed another dumb design based on nothing but dessert. At least Vanilluxe has the icicle thing going on.
>>26035230
They don't need to be natural as long as they serve an actual purpose.
>>26035355
Then I'll offer a suggestion, make the cannons ice formations rather than ice cream formations.
>>26034477
>may not be
It just isn't, get over it.
>>26032115
and it just shows how clever designs just doesn't always have mass appeal
Tyrantrum for instance has many subtle, clever aspects on his design rather than being just a generic t-rex, yet for some odd reason isn't that popular
Hell, even with popular mons like Greninja there are people who miss certain aspects. Like people complain about the lack of foam scarf when the idea is that it doesn't expose its weapons anymore to the enemy as it is not a rookie anymore, and has them concealed now (in this case, pustules).
>>26032646
good thing Vanilluxe is
>>26032551
At least your post criticizes the design properly. While I may not agree, at least you know what you're talking about with regards to design subtlety.
I wish many people were like you rather than people going "OMG ICE CREAM"
>>26031906
Literally best design.
>>26032065
stalactites randomly gain another head too, much like icicles
>>26033011
They're terrible mimics though.
At least Amoongus has a tongue in cheek shit going on.
>>26032124
>projecting this hard
Vanilluxe is just way too in-your-face about the ice cream thing.
>>26034066
Funny enough, a proto-stalactite is called a soda straw.
>>26036453
Tyrantrum is one of the most popular Gen 6 pokémon. Even genwunners like it
>Vanilluxe
>clever
might as well make an hamburguer pokémon but say it is an hamburguer elemental so you fags can cream yourselves over how "clever" that is
>>26032043
No, it's really not.
It's not, however the reason it's disliked is because of its mouth. It's Yokai Watch tier.
>>26031906
>i-it's not an ice cream >_<''
>it's merely an icicle guys!!
>and klefki isn't actually a keychan with keys, it's based on an snake made of iron that is ironically shaped as a keychan and that loves keys so that it can shake them to scary or attract its predators and preys, very clever and ironic, so smart and innovative haha do you actually believe it's just a keychain? lmao i bet you also believe that vanilluxe is literally an ice cream -.-''
fucking denialfags
>>26039439
>>26039376
>STILL shitting on pokemon designs
Fine, get a bigger load of it
>>26039462
What is this meme?
can't find it on knowyourmeme
Guys please check my fakémon.
Even though is looks like an hotdog with eyes, it's actually a brown worm with a shell convenientely shaped like a hotdog bun, and the yellow strip is actually a throwback to frosted tips because I miss B4-4
Please tell me how clever and creative it is, like you do with Vanilluxe, kthnxbye
>>26040047
Worms have nothing to do with hot dogs. Ice has an obvious connection to ice cream.
>>26040115
Also the Vanilluxe line is an obvious pun on snow cones
>>26040115
worms are made of meat and so are hotdogs. There is your connection
Also, it's very creative and clever just like Vanilluxe, because it blatantly looks like something, but it's actually something else!
>>26032551
Came here to say something like this.
I don't dislike the fact that is based on an icecream like stalactite, I dislike how it was executed.
>>26033946
>draw a pile of shit
>"It's not ACTUALLY a pile of shit, it just LOOKS like one!"
CLEVER DESIGN
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>>26033946
If you draw literally an ice cream, it doesn't matter if you say it's not just an ice cream. It's still what it looks like, and that's all that matters.
>>26040047
oh MAN you sure showed them!
ebin/10
>>26038921
>>26039439
this is where you idiots miss because you claim it's shallow when it isn't
that or you really don't get it
you'd think a simple aspect that even kids get would not be missed from your faces, I mean there's one thing not to like a design, but to deny that it has actually some thought put into it?
>>26040134
>how to fail at biology 101
>Garbodor, Vanilluxe and Klefki
These are all the Pokémon genwunners like to attack because it's easy. You all just simply grew up with nostalgia shades still strapped on tight. I'll bet you anything that children new to Pokémon today wouldn't take as much offense to it as you people. We can easily flip the narrative and point out the crappy "object" Pokémon from previous generations like Exeggcute, but you like to pretend otherwise because it'll shatter your hateboner for modern day Pokémon. Design quality can't come under scrutiny anymore because the game that's taking place here isn't honest. For example, I am fine with Vanilluxe but also dislike Garbodor for personal reasons, just opinions on aesthetics. Everyone else just likes to cause a big commotion just to stir shit up and paint a doomsday picture.
>>26031954
that isn't a strawman.
>>26040926
But anon Exeggute JUST LOOKS LIKE a pile of eggs, it's actually seeds
Going by Vanilluxefag logic, it's a god-tier clever deisgn, becaue omg even though it looks a lot like something it's another thing entirely and that's clever design
It's ok to not like Vanillue because you don't like how the idea was executed. But to say that Vanilluxe is a shit design because it's an ice cream cone with a face is fucking stupid.
The only people that will fight that statement are a little too concerned with what random anonymous people over the internet like.
Stay bitter.
>>26040926
eggs aren't a man made object you faggot
>>26040984
>only people who dislike Vanilluxe are bitterfags that care about what people on the internet like
>he says so while he got mad enough to post this salty comment
But entertain me Vanilluxefag, how is an icecream with a face a good design for Pokémon? Vanilluxe would actually fit in more on the Yokai Watch world since they already have a sentient burger and living bacon
>>26032619
>but don't fucking call someones bro a shit design because you don't like it.
>"Waaah, don't hurt my feelings!"
>>26032464
Even if your opinion isn't the same as his on that subject, it doesn't invalidate what he said.
All of those are more than simply an object with a face, and even if they weren't, it wouldn't be a double standard for some to like them and dislike Vanilluxe (as it just so happens to be the case)
>>26041024
My post isn't even arguing that Vanilluxe is a good design. I'm pointing out that awful, simple mindset that people use to argue against it. People can like what they like and dislike what they dislike, but I find it disheartening that others can't look past the seemingly out-of-place concept and admire the charm that lies beneath the surface. I can write an essay on why I think other Pokemon have designs that are either unpleasing or wasted potential, but I won't stoop so low as to unironically say "It's literally my mom's _____ with a face and therefore it's fucking stupid, you _____fag." That kind of mentality is so one-track and simple-minded that no one can honestly take it seriously as criticism. Very few people made some good points against Vanilluxe in this thread, because it wasn't blatant bashing, but instead their own personal opinion on what could be improved. You are not one of those people.
I like Vanilluxe. I think it's a neat design because it's cute and I DO like the ice cream shtick. Vanilluxe doesn't have an awful design, he's just an oddball. It's also an NU/PU powerhouse, so there's that.
>>26041432
I guess I'll just use your brilliant logic and dismiss literally your entire post as being your own personal opinion about Vanilluxe, and slight butthurt this thread didn't turn out to be the Vanilluxefag hugbox you wer clearly looking for.
Oh, I also might use your arguments for the next designated Gen 1 shitting thread since half of the arguments on those threads are "It's just my mom's _______ drawn cartoony"
The worst part of it all is that you Vanilluxefag keep tooting Vanilluxe as if it is some sort of complex, clever, brilliant design. It's not. Stop trying to find depth in shallow waters
You know it's a miracle this hasn't been posted yet
>>26041686
I clearly said it was a simple, charmingly out-of-place design, not complex, clever, or brilliant. And never did I expect a design so disliked to become a hugbox, I'm merely sharing my thoughts as are you. You're putting words in my mouth and are looking or trouble. Despite that, I think Vanilluxe is a fun Pokemon.
Also thanks for thinking my thoughts on Pokemon design valid enough to want to use them yourself! Mighty kind of you anon! Hope it goes well!
>>26032832
I still hate it.. in fact I hate it even more cause its a threat
>>26034845
natural gas vents
>>26034927
That death pose example actually looks pretty cool, like a tiny stylized Grim Reaper.
The rest is sickening though
>>26040047
>>26040134
>>26042190
>shit design is attracted to another shit design
who /shitship/ here?
this is canon now
