>Dragon types cannot EVER LEARN any Ground or Fire type moves
Reason:Steel is the first counter to Outrage or Draco Meteor spam, without EQ or a fire type move, the dragon will have to either spam water or electric moves that deal neutral damage to steel types in order to take them down and cant counter them.
>No Dragon type learns poison type offensive moves
By removing the very thing that dragons have to counter fairies it puts dragons in their place and secures Fairies as a perfect dragoon counter.
>Fighting types cant learn dark type moves
Now they cant counter psychics without using ghost moves that have shit coverage giving psychics a niche against fightings and forcing a switch.
>>25618040
>dragons can't breathe fire
>boosting Steel
>>25618040
SO did your steel/fairy team get stomped or what? This isn't balancing it's favoring.
how about instead of changing the functions of the pokemon that make up a children's game to fit your narrow competitive worldview of said children's game you stop perverting pokemon into a competitive circlejerk
>>25618097
No anon Im just doing whatever it takes to stop Outrage and Draco Meteor spam because the Fairies aint good enough for that since most dragons outspeed them and can off the with Sludge Wave.
>No NON ice type water types can learn ice type moves
Reason:This ends water types having good coverage and centralizing the meta now they will have to resort to shittier coverage to deal with grass types. This also helps grass types big time and buffs dragons as well.
>>25618122
go on like this and Pokemon will only learn STAB moves
>>25618122
So your whole argument thus far is no coverage moves. Are you trying to make chess into checkers, because that's what it looks like.
You know OP, tiers exist for a reason. Just because your favorite 'Mon can't cut it at the top doesn't mean you should feel bad.
>Steel should be weak to water
>Scald should be a fire AND Water move
>Rest should only put you to sleep for a max of 2 turns
>Fairy should be immune to Ghost and vice versa
>Pokemon with Contrary should NOT be affected by Trick Room
>Poison should be strong against Bug types
>>25618149
no anon no COUNTER coverage for types that are either nerfed by it or buffed by it.
Without coverage for steel dragons are stopped in their tracks
Without coverage for psychic, all the physical sweeper fighting types can be raped by Psychic.
Without coverage for Grass Water now becomes less variable and easier to deal with.
Dragon-Ground/Fire
Fighting-Dark
Water-Ice
See the meta is now more balanced.
>>25618040
>Dragons can't breathe fire.
OP, what the fuck?
This is possibly the stupidest, most biased bullshit set of ideas I have ever seen. This is fucking retarded.
>>25618195
No it's not you just buffed steel and psychic and nerfed water slightly. That's not balance that's favoritism.
>>25618246
Well Fire counters Steel so its needs to go so Steel types can check in Dragons.
>>25618284
But why? Dragon isn't overpowered in the slightest. You're literally just nerfing it for the sake of nerfing it due to bias, you fucking autist.
>>25618274
How is Steel buffed? Only dragons cant learn fire or ground moves. Everything else if it already could can.
>>25618284
Hey at least we don't have to deal with edgezard anymore. You know being fire/dragon and all.
>>25618299
They an unbalanced check. I'd call that buffing.
>>25618297
>Dragon isn't overpowered in the slightest.
Dragon is so OP that they made a new type immune to it to stop Outrage and Draco Meteor spam.
Fairies are shit though since dragons usually outspeed them and can off them with a neutral move.
>>25618312
Zard still learns fire moves but not ground moves.
>>25618329
So it's the king of the dragons for being able to stop the 2 otherwise unstoppable checks?
>>25618379
I dont know anon
>>25618398
Never mind, I forgot.
>Reshiram
and for your ground type users
>Flygon
>Garchomp
>>25618437
Zard X cannot use any ground moves, but Zard Y still can because its not a dragon.
>>25618319
Dragon as a type is not OP. Many Dragon Pokemon just happen to have very high base stats.
>>25618040
>Dragon types cannot EVER LEARN any Ground or Fire type moves
kappa
>>25618040
>Being this salty about dragon types.
Sorry you got curb stomped by the best type in the game.
>>25618195
Steel is weak to the 3 most common attacking types, no need for more weaknesses.
>Scizor can't learn priority moves with Technician as its ability
Because it would be nice if this nigger had an actual trade off.
>>25618040
No poison? But what about Dragalge?
Ban knock off.
>>25618040
>Dragon types cannot EVER LEARN any Ground or Fire type moves
most dragons are physical attackers and there arent any good physical fire moves. Also offensive ground types dont exist so something needs to check them. I dont think you realize how good steel still is post nerf.
>No Dragon type learns poison type offensive moves
so are we just going to ignore pic related?
also giving a type a niche is not balance
your suggestions are completely shit
>>25619599
>kappa
I really hope you get mutilated and lobotomized by a serial killer
Yeah I vote we ban knock-off.
>>25620394
Shut up faggot, Dragalge can use Poison moves because its a poison type but non poison dragons can use poison moves.
>>25618040
>Dragon types are OP! My opinion is fact!
>>25620431
STALL BABBIES ON SUICIDE WATCH.
Make steel weak to electric
Make poison super effective to water
>>25620434
learn to read retard, OP stated that NO dragon type can learn them. That implies all
>>25620435
Dragonfags are so rectally hemorhaged that they are using meme responses.
>>25620431
No reduce its BP or distribution.
>>25620451
I am OP you fucking faggot.
>>25620464
THEN BE MORE SPECIFIC NEXT TIME YOU FUCKING RETARD
>only posion-type pokemon and a few exceptions can learn toxic
how would this chance the meta?
>>25620489
No you retard DRAGONS CANT LEARN POISON MOVES UNLESS THEY ARE PART POISON THEMSELVES. Anything else can learn poison moves.
>>25618040
Hidden Power
That is all.
>>25620518
>60 BP
>putting a dent in any Steel type
Try again dragonfag.
>>25620494
who the fuck said anything about dragons?
I'm not the retarded OP
To balance the game? Ban knock-off probably.
>>25620536
So, when you said "offensive" you meant "moves with a BP of over 60."
>>25618195
>Pokemon with Contrary should NOT be affected by Trick Room
How hard did your Serperior get wrecked in doubles? Leaf storm spam has its limits. Can't just spam that shit all day.
>>25620553
Ban held items
>>25620553
STALL BABBIES ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>25618195
>Rest should only put you to sleep for a max of 2 turns
It... it already does that you fucktard.
>>25620580
Rest should heal you twice.
>>25618040
>Steel got nerfed t-that must mean it's it's bad now and needs buffs!
Fuck off Steelfag, steel is still OP as fuck.
>>25620597
>steel is still OP as fuck.
its fine right now
>>25620597
This doesnt make Steel OP as any type EXCEPT DRAGON can use moves that rape them in battle, only dragons cant get rid of them and thats good because dragons are overpowered fucks with movepools that are too good.
>>25620611
Dragons are fine the way they are now.
but it's fucking hilarious that you're getting this mad over this
>>25620611
>Dragon
>OP
>literally only strong against one type
>>25618319
>Fairies are shit though
do you seriously think fairy type isn't strong enough
fairy is fucking great. clefable went from PU shit to S rank OU just by getting fairy type.
>>25620642
NA NA NA NA NA fuck off dragonfag.
>>25620644
>what is the average stat spread of every fucking dragon
>>25620649
Thats due to Unaware and fairy type resistances.
>>25620649
This. The new fairies are shit though. Xerneas and Klefki are fine but holy shit the others shouldn't even exist.
>>25620489
i really wish they would do this. not every pokemon gets w-o-w or t-wave so why is toxic the exception?
>how would this chance the meta?
a lot of stallmons become somewhat less viable. i think bulkier poison types like tentacruel maybe would rise in usage to fill the niche
>>25618040
This is a horrible fucking idea. God. /vp/ sucks so much at competitive. There's maybe 10% of people who actively post that know what the fuck theyre talking about, the others are all cringe inducing.
>>25620668
>this TYPE is OP
>because of the POKEMON of the TYPE
Welp, looks like Fire is OP because of Groudon.
>>25620668
Rather be a Dragonfag than whatever the fuck you are.
>>25618319
>blows dragon, dark, and fighting the fuck out
>bad
>>25620679
>sylveon
>bad
>>25620668
>and fairy type resistances
yes... fairy is a good type because of its type matchups. what are you saying dude
>>25620699
But duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, fairy is shit because of the average stats of its members!
Don't you see?
>>25620682
I am just nerfing dragons to stop them being so OP
>>25620689
The average firemon isnt like Groudon.
>>25620692
Fuck off dragonfag
I honestly think fairies need to be rethought.
So that they aren't op and "Psychic 2.0"
>>25620726
I hate how Fairy made Psychic obsolete.
I'd say knock off is the most broken aspect of pokemon.
>>25620711
Dragon's are no longer OP. Youre just nerfing them into the ground.
>>25618040
Fairy and steel are some of the strongest types in the fucking game anon. they don't need buffs. grass and ice are what need buffs. and no, that doesn't mean stopping water types from using ice moves. it means making better ice types.
>>25620735
STALL BABBIES ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>25620741
>Not OP
>NANANANA I CANT HEAR YOU NANANANANAA
Dragons are so overpowered that fucking fairies werent enough to keep them in check a FUCKING TYPE MADE TO CHECK THEM.
>>25620735
Knock Off is good because it makes psychicfags cry.
>>25620753
It's a type filled with babymon and cotton candy. The real problem is knock off.
>>25620753
Holy fuck, Anon you are such a child.
Dragon types have good stats because dragons are weak to a lot of shit and only strong against itself.
>>25620783
>ERGH MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMME AGAGAGAGAGAGGAAAAAAA STOP BEING A DRAGON HATER YOU FAG
Dragons are not weak dragonfag this must be nerfed to create a balanced metagame that is all.
>This type needs buffs
>This type needs nerfs
Real life isn't balanced. Why should Pokemon be?
>>25620811
Because Pokemon is a video game.
>>25620808
You're the type of person that bitches that Bowser and Little mac in smash bros are OP, but say sheik and ZSS need buff or are fine.
>>25620668
>NA NA NA NA NA
why is /vp/ having a lot of underages lately?
>>25620811
RL is balanced thats the way physical evolution works
You cant be both fast and armored
You cant be strong as fuck and smart
You cant have powerful jaws and be smart
You can be fast and not slim
You cant have an advanced brain without creating a higher metabolism that needs constant food
Human genetics is making it clear that:
You cant be a genius and socially competent(inb4 before fedora no most geniuses in history were complete weirdos)
You cant be fast and bulky
So reality is balanced in a way you fucking fag.
>>25620830
They are OP you fucking fag.
>>25620839
>le underage maymay
Fuck off
Someone should screenshot this fucking kid.
>>25620854
Our planets metagame is shit, man. Humans just steamroll everything. What good is all that shit you just mentioned when it's completely centralized on apes.
>>25620890
>Fuck off
tell me more, honey
>>25620920
>posting a black person
OOOHHHH LOOK AT ME IM SO COOL I CAN POST BLACK PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET MOM
>>25620890
Fairies and steel is op.
If this was gen 4 or 5 you may have a point, but if you're going to nerf Dragons then you need to nerf other types as well.
>>25620926
wanna know how i can defeat you?with dragons, they aren't nerfed by your stupid ideas
>>25620962
How is Steel OP? Only Dragons cant deal with it.
How are Fairies OP?
>>25620974
Dragons are for OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH the edge tier faggots that cant make a good team for shit.
>>25621004
I will burn youwith a salamence's flamethroweryou know that dragons can learn fire type moves, right?
>>25620983
Steel types have a fuck ton of resistances and one immunity and are the defining defensive type
Fairies Are strong against 4 types, have only 2 weaknesses, and a immunity, while also having ridiculously good moves and move distribution.
that's how their fucking OP.
>>25618231
all you've done is make entry hazards better
>>25621130
Bullet punch weakness is actually a pretty terrible one to have. I like the poison weakness because it forces 4 move syndrome on dragons.
Fire loses the fairy resistance
Grass becomes Fairy Immune
Poison resists water and is super effective
Fairy loses the bug resistance
Fairy and bug become mutually super effective
Ice resists flying
Ice is immune to Ice
Rock is super effective against rock
Bug and grass resist steel
Steel needs to be balanced by making as many types resist it and it resists others. It's too good offensively right now.
SOMETHING needs to be immune to Steel, nothing should be immune to anything without paying for it.
Same for Fairy, something needs to be immune to fairy. It would make sense for that to be Grass.
Screencap this.
This kids faggotry should be documented for future generation.
>>25621181
>Steel
>Offensive
That was your first mistake, it was always intended to be the perfect defensive type.
>>25621249
Get run over by a car dragonfag.
>>25618040
Easy. Remove fairy, make steel SE and Immune to Dragon types
>>25618040
>that pic
Am I on Deviantart?
>>25621278
>Oh shit, he proved me wrong
>I-I'll ignore his post about the types a-and call him a name!
Face it, you lost this argument.
>>25621297
I hope a plane crashs into your house.
>>25621309
Please keep posting.
This is the hardest i've ever laughed in a while.
>>25621332
Dragonfag you are just angry because if you dont agree with me you are a butthurt angry faggot.
>>25621293
Deviant kill yourself
>>25621350
>My opinion is fact!
Holy shit, you are so fucking mad right now.
all right then tell me why steel and fairies aren't OP.
>>25620668
>>25620808
>>25620926
>>25621004
>>25620753
>>25621278
holey fuckoley
>>25621370
Earthquake you stupid mega fucktard.
Fairies are a bunch of noboody pussy mons that cant do jackshit to dragons so they are not underpowered garbage.
FUCKING DRRAGONFAG!!!!!!!!
>>25621249
seriously, some shit needs to be preserved
Yea ban knock off for sure.
>>25621397
Did you literally ignore my post about types?
>>25621130
This kid is why democracy is no longer a safe option.
>>25618040
Garchomp, flygon, dragalge, scrafty and pangoro gangbanged your mom or something?
>>25621271
And yet it's a great offensive typing right now in addition to being great defensively, dumbass
>Let us make the game easier for Fairy
>>25618040
>make awful unbalanced Fairies even more unbalanced
no
>>25621564
>Steel
>Good offensively
>What is fighting
Fucking retarded dragonfags I swear to Arceus.
>>25621430
You disagreed with me
This kid has embraced the inner meme inside him.
>>25621670
Kid, just because I said a thing you don't like doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
It still matters, now go an hero
>>25621670
>he says this as bisharp, metagross and scisor iron head and bullet punch the dick out of nerds
This kid is more meme than man.
>>25621710
Its not that it doesnt matter, its that its completey retarded and not true.
>>25621727
>Bullet punch
Plz that move cant do shit.
>>25621850
Just because you disagree with me doesn't change the fucking type matchup you mong.
>Bullet punch doesn't do anything.
It hits like a mac truck when boosted technician.
>>25621886
>Technician
Only Scizor learns this and he can be raped by Incinerate
Yes you disgreed with me meaning you are mentally retarded.
>>25621891
I can hear your fucking whiny, prepubescent voice screaming "Dragons are OP!"
So, what you're saying is that if i say faires are only weak to poison and steel, but you don't agree with me, they aren't?
cause if that's the case you're mother should have gotten out the coat hanger and sparred us from you.
Basically, here's what you should do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ
>>25618437
You forgotZygarde
>>25621956
Your mom is fat
collage when?
>>25622206
Yeah, you know you've lost.
now get the fuck out of here, and come back when you're older
>>25618040
You're fucking garbage at any kind of game design, never make this thread again retard
>>25618104
And you're just as retarded as OP, congrats to the winners and runner ups of the /vp/ special olympics
>>25621004
>Dragons
>Edgy
Surely you jesting'. Pic related is cuter than any fairy any day
>>25622246
Your mom is so ugly that she wont a gorilla ugliness competition without even entering.
>>25622257
If you think Im retarded then that must mean you are retarded yourself you fucking retard.
>>25622293
I can see the edge coming off if from a mile away you fucking dragonfag.
>>25622307
I can feel the fucking denial coming from you.
Also, you have to be over 18 to post on 4chan
>>25622307
You know literally nothing about game design. You are arguing for less versatility and counters in a competitive game. Oh, here's an idea! Water is no longer SE against fire! Derp
You're just a salty little autist, and if I were you I'd be so god damn embarrassed I made this thread that I'd never play pokemon again.
>>25622307
Okay, this is getting childish. Even by /vp/ standards.
>>25622360
That's because OP is a child.
>>25622324
Shut up you stupid fag,
>>25622341
I know more about game design than you do so Im right ad you are wrong you fucking fag.
Also you guys are retared, my ideas were to prevent dragons from ever countering steel types so they could be nerfed for good.
>>25622360
Your mom is childish
>>25622380
>>25622380
All I'm saying is that you've countered none of my arguments.
and then, when I bring up points, you ignore them.
>>25622405
NENNENENENENNEN NANANANANANANNANANANAANANANANNNNAN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Your mom ignores your arguments faggot., stupid fucking fag. My ideas are great you just dont get them because you are mad at my mad skills.
>>25622380
Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad. Fucking purge autists like him, phase mods, ree etc
could someone link this thread to /b/ and watch them tear him apart.
>But bug resists fighting and ground!
>every ground/fighting type learns stone edge
>But grass resists water!
>every water type learns ice attacks
Just make ice and rock a little more exclusive. And make some really good ice and rock attacks that only ice and rock types can learn
>>25622441
OP seems to think proper arguing is constituted of yelling and "your mom" jokes.
>NANANANA
Batman!
>>25622476
This.
If we want balance, this is where we should start
>>25622443
They nerf dragons so they arent bad, this does nothing to the meta besides screwing over dragons who have beeen ruling the meta for a very long time. Dont you think its time for other types to shine?
>>25622494
Other types are shining thought, Fairy and Steel are OP in competitive.
>>25618122
>tfw Op is a faggot
You need counters so what if one typing can learn another type move . that's how you get coverage like some other anon said .
>>25622521
Water learning Ice has made it hard for grass types so they need to not learn it there I said it deal with it fag.
>>25622494
What dragons are ruling the meta? Are you fucking retarded? Look at the salamance build in VGC. Not a single ground or fire or even Dragon attack. You kids just need to go back to wifi battles.
>>25622591
You just bliind and retarded and must love dragons if you cant see it, dragonfag.
>>25622681
You must blind to not see how fairies an steel type are fucking up the entire meta game.
Not only that, but you're ideas are going to make entry hazards even better, in a meta where they are already broken as fuck and over used.
>>25622719
Entry Hazards make it easier to kill shit so theres nothing wrong with them at all you fag.
Fairies are shit Im not hearing NENENENENNENEN NANANANANANNAA your a stupid fag.
>>25622740
>Nothing wrong with entry hazards
Do you even fucking play Pokemon?
Entry hazards are horrible, especially this gen.
>>25620766
Knock off is okay but I still think it should have 40 or 50 bp
>>25622740
You sound like you had some bad personal experiences in the past.
>>25620320
Just remove technician from scizor, how the fuck are you going to be technical with claws for fucks sake.
>>25622767
You are just a butthurt stallfag who is madhe can have his troll mons at full health.
>>25622790
I dont want to talk about it.
>>25622782
But psychicfags are nearly as insufferable as dragonfags.
>>25622808
Sweepers get punished the most by entry hazards you retard.
>send in sweeper to fuck up some pokemon
>hit by hazards
>they swap out to their stall
>hit by hazards
>sweeper is forced to swap out again because it gets checked/countered waiting to take more entry damage next switch
What is punished more, the frail sweeper losing 12.5% or the meatshield with healing moves with leftovers proccing twice getting hit for 12.5%?
>>25622808
Answer my question, do you even fucking play Pokemon.
Because the ideas you propose make it sound like you know nothing about the competitive scene.
>>25622859
And most stall Pokemon are steel an fairy.
So, how the fuck is dragon OP?
>>25622898
I don't give a fuck about that conversation I'm letting you know entry hazards hurts sweepers not stall you retard.
Knock-off is broken, I say we ban it.
>>25622905
Remove all distribution except to dark types.
Same for stealth rock, rock types only.
>>25622902
ay mang, not trying to start shit.
just using it as a point.
Genies lose all their moves.
>>25622912
So, you're idea is that Pokemon should only have STAB moves?
That's a fucking awful idea.
These are the worst threads on /vp/
The types aren't supposed to be balanced.
Pokémon are first and foremost about the story based games, in which dragons are supposed to be very powerful types of pokemon.
All this bitching is pathetic.
>>25622929
No, for moves that greatly affect an opposing pokemons viability, they should have lowered distribution.
>>25621162
>Bug and grass resist steel
but it doesn't
>>25620854
Im smart and strong as fuck
Fairy-hater tears are so delicious
>>25620854
>can't be fast and not slim
>what are grizzly bears
>>25622859
Thats a lie my infernape has no issues with sneaky pebbles fag.
>>25622867
Of course I play it and Im sick of dragonfags and their favorite typing always controlling the meta.
>>25623018
I actually like some fairy types and steel is one of my favorites.
you can like something and think it's broken.
>>25623024
I bet a hippowdown with slack off has even less issues than your infernape.
>>25620445
>>Make poison super effective to water
You just gave Kalos's native frog population a boner.
>>25620733
>Gardevoir is Fairy/Psychic but Gallade isn't Fairy/Fighting
Yay, now I can not use him even more.
>>25623165
>random frog nigger gets gunk shot
>nidoking and a lot of other poison types do NOT get gunk shot
>random frog nigger also gets an ability that makes no sense for it just because of favoritism
>>25618040
Pangoro ring a bell? I love ghosts as much as the next guy, but type coverage is part of the game.
>>25623198
kerokero motherfucker
>tfw Politoed will never be good or useful again
>>25623198
>No sense for it
Full Definition of protean
: displaying great diversity or variety : versatile
>waaaa mommy ninjas arent supposed to versatile >_<
>mfw I've only read the OP and first few replies and I have to bust this baby out.
>>25623251
>versatility makes you change your type
lol
>>25622719
>fairies an steel type are fucking up the entire meta game.
Is that why they kicked Mawile upstairs and into irrelevance?
>>25623272
No, Huge Power contributed more to that.
>>25620668
>NA NA NA NA NA
child you must be 18 to post on this board.
>>25620890
>bowser and little mac OP
holy shit and I thought you were underage before.
>this thread is still going on
for fuck's sake, there's a line between intentionally taking the bait, and deepthroating the fishing rod, and it was crossed hours ago.
>>25621408
stall babbies on suicide watch. etc. etc.
>>25623282
I want to fist this Spaghetti
>>25623276
We mean that its useless
>>25618040
Ban Stealth Rock. You're welcome.
Screenshot this thread.
this needs to go down in history.
>>25618040
>be OP
>go to Showdown
>get D E S T R O Y E D by dragons
>cry in the dark
>come to /vp/
>dragons are too OP, pls nerf into oblivion
>>25623482
They are OP thats why they need to be nerfed fag.
>>25624494
If they are so OP, get to 2000 ELO. It should be easy.
