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Last thread: >>98081287
>>98415828
first for neutral master race
Reminder that Neutral is for fence sitting schoolboys.
Second for hot fairies.
>>98416017
Maybe but since its a crossover then i dont think they will be separated much during the game.
Does the psn version of nocturne have any bugs?
>>98416567
Well, there's the one inside you
>>98416598
In that case, it's just as free as Law, since you can overthrow YHVH if you don't like it.
Chaos is literally the same as Law, except Law has YHVH as the strongest, and because of that he enforces his will.
>>98416567
Many, its a gameplay element.
>>98416567
Yes
>>98416859
>Chaos is literally the same as Law
yeah sure bud
So why do Devil Survivor fans complain about Yuzu so much?
She seems pretty cool to me.
>>98417273
because she's stupid and dumb and brings the party down with her stupid dumbness
>>98417138
Chaos ultimately leads to Law. The idea of survival of the fittest, that the strongest who remains will rule is how Law takes shape. Then Chaos goes against it until it becomes the new Law.
Think of the pigs in Animal Farm.
>Humans are Law
>Pigs and other animals are Chaos
>Pigs overthrow humans using other animals
>Pigs become new Law
>Other animals plan to overthrow pigs
>>98417273
Basically she's useless and has no good ideas. Also she's the only character who has 3 move because of her big tits weighing her down
Isn't Aleph technically stronger than Demifiend?
Aleph actually "killed" YHVH while Demifiend just roughed him up until he accepted his will.
Continuing from last thread:
>>98411690
While I will agree that charity is a personal choice, that doesn't mean that not performing charity is okay.
Capitalism requires the accumulation of wealth, while Jesus seems to want people to give as much as they can.
A poor widow came, and she cast in two small brass coins, which equal a quadrans coin. He called his disciples to himself, and said to them, "Most certainly I tell you, this poor widow gave more than all those who are giving into the treasury, -Mark 12:42-12:43
Plus, Jesus' disciples seemed to be collectivist. As they were touched by the Holy Spirit, they were presumably following what Jesus' teachings.
The multitude of those who believed were of one heart and soul. Not one of them claimed that anything of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. With great power, the apostles gave their testimony of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. Great grace was on them all. For neither was there among them any who lacked, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each, according as anyone had need. -Acts 4:32-4:35
We are not meant to pick and choose where our money goes and feel satisfied that we did good works, but to serve each other. While it isn't required, if we do not personally feel compelled to act in this way, than we are not doing it right.
>>98417273
Because you couldn't make her your succubus concubine in the Chaos end.
>>98411690
Lol. Christianity has pressured people, sometimes by law, to conform with their precepts for thousands of years. Don't be mad that Jesus at least wanted it to be for good reasons,instead of someone putting their penis near another man's asshole.
As for the rest of your post, if you don't think poor people are exploited you are clearly retarded, so its not worth addressing. There's a reason that "the working class" is a synonym for poor. Money is just abstract numbers. Controlling the flow of numbers to divert more to yourself, since you own a business and have the power to pay people less then they are worth is not "freedom." If you want to be a selfish person who doesn't care about anyone but yourself its fine, but don't drag Jesus into it.
http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2003/09/The-Gospel-Of-Supply-Side-Jesus.aspx
>>98417973
>While I will agree that charity is a personal choice, that doesn't mean that not performing charity is okay.
You can think of it as being okay or not okay as much as you want. As long as you don't impose that worldview on people through forceful means.
>Capitalism requires the accumulation of wealth, while Jesus seems to want people to give as much as they can.
Whether accumulation of wealth happens or not is up to individuals who decide whether they want to hoard or not. Jesus was an individual who believed in charity, and not in accumulation, because he believed that was the way to enter the kingdom of God.
Now, from the perspective of getting people to be worthy of the Kingdom of god, it's utterly pointless to forcefully redistribute wealth, whether it is through government or society's coercion, since that does not magically make every man believe that he must share all he has with everyone else. It just makes him do that, since he has no other choice.
As I said before, it's morally empty.
>"Most certainly I tell you, this poor widow gave more than all those who are giving into the treasury, -Mark 12:42-12:43
This has to do with a rejection of authority.
>For neither was there among them any who lacked, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each, according as anyone had need. -Acts 4:32-4:35
AKA a group of individuals who freely decided to live collectively.
They did not impose or coerce anyone to live as they did. The only people who did so were those who were convinced by their moral arguments.
>While it isn't required, if we do not personally feel compelled to act in this way, than we are not doing it right.
Compelling others through coercion into acting this way is also not doing it right.
some people take alignments so seriously
Does smtg like Tactics Ogre? I think i liked the alignments more in that game than in SMT games.
>>98419148
This isn't alignments. Its a retard arguing for anarcho capitalism,and saying that its what Jesus would have wanted. We can dub him yosugan to make it seem more relative to the board, I guess.
>>98418706
Shut up beadman
>>98419306
Tactics Ogre is great. I don't really like how Vyse is a contrarian though
>“True Demon Run Matador Battle” might be one of the most horrific phrases in the video game lexicon, but it’s only one of several tough-as-nails instances in this mother-of-all demonic dungeon crawls.
Has this person even played Nocturne? TDE has no impact on Matador.
>>98418706
>Christianity has pressured people, sometimes by law, to conform with their precepts for thousands of years. Don't be mad that Jesus at least wanted it to be for good reasons,instead of someone putting their penis near another man's asshole.
As expected from a leftist. We were speaking about Jesus' personal worldviews, not about what Christianity as a whole did.
But by all means, attempt to distort my argument.
>As for the rest of your post, if you don't think poor people are exploited you are clearly retarded, so its not worth addressing.
Oh certainly they are opressed. By corporativist governments, and the companies which benefit from them. Not by the market, or by capitalism itself.
>There's a reason that "the working class" is a synonym for poor.
Yes, that reason is that the left is too retarded to realize that work is not exclusive to manual labor.
>Money is just abstract numbers.
Oh my fucking god, you did not just say that.
Jesus fucking Christ. Are you serious?
You're the reason countries around the world are suffering from inflation, you fuckhead.
>you own a business and have the power to pay people less then they are worth is not "freedom."
And yet, when I asked you about it, you were unable to explain to me how exactly this innate value of people's work exists.
Again, tell me more about this magical value that exists independently from the value that other people are willing to pay them for their work.
>If you want to be a selfish person who doesn't care about anyone but yourself its fine, but don't drag Jesus into it.
Heretic pls go, and take your tumblr-tier rhetoric with you.
Jenna Angel best waifu.
>>98419738
>tfw you'll never suck her penis
>>98419397
As opposed to this gibberish?
>>98419701
>>98419137
I don't think this person is "le ruseing" either. They appear to actually be this insane.
>>98419148
It's not alignments.
It's a collectivist faggot shitposting.
This motherfucker better hope he never tries to post this bullshit on /pol/
>>98419812
This is why people kill themselves
>>98419945
Angel actually canonically has a penis. I'm not even kidding.
>>98419890
Amazing ad hominem.
Please, go on.
>>98419738
True Demon Jenna is better.
>>98419906
>>98419701
>>98419137
No one is reading your retarded posts. Go away.
THEWHITEWERERIGHT
>>98420173
You little whiny faggots complain about this any time somebody shitposts like 10 paragraphs in the thread instead of just telling them to fuck off
>>98420245
You can't reason with these people. You tell them to fuck off and they retort with the standard "nice ad homenim I guess you can't refute my points and need to resort to namecalling, looks like I won this argument" garbage. It'e best to just ignore them.
>>98420131
I'm simply refuting what the retarded anarcho-syndicalist/anarcho-communist is saying.
If you're not him, I apologize, but I must.
If you are, kindly quit this bullshit so I won't have to keep proving you wrong.
>>98420173
The white are just stupid. Who cares if eventually things might go badly? Before that there'll still be happiness and good things that are worth existing.
>>98420358
>>98420360
I WANT BOTH OF YOU TO GO FUCK EACH OTHER TO DEATH
Has EPP been patched yet?
>>98420443
No. They are clearly intellectually advanced.
I bet they're bothlaw fags
>>98419306
Never played them. Some day, maybe.
>>98420589
This person can't be too law,since they've been rambling for two hours about how if the government so much as demands a single coin from them in taxes its oppression.
>>98420823
You should, great game but play the PSP port.
>>98420958
Well. That person is a Jew. And we all know that Jews = Mastema
>>98420443
Don't worry anon, I'm quite done.
He has resorted to kindergarten-tier arguments, and attempts to distort what I said. So clearly, continuing this is a waste of time, since he doesn't even know anything about his own ideology.
I apologize for cluttering the general.
>>98421413
Apology not accepted. Fuck off and never come back.
>>98420551
No and dont spect it anytime soon, they havent even finished that shitty Madoka game. TradukoSoft are like JAST.
>>98421413
>>98421478
Just kill each other already
So basically /smtg/ is now angry discussions general?
I mean, shit, every thread now we get this shit, whether it's arguing about Nocturne's endings, /smtg/ vs /mtg/ and now /pol/-lite.
Come on, faggots, get along.Please ;_;
>>98419701
>Whether accumulation of wealth happens or not is up to individuals who decide whether they want to hoard or not. Jesus was an individual who believed in charity, and not in accumulation, because he believed that was the way to enter the kingdom of God.
I thought we were arguing about Christianity here. I don't know what religion your talking about where Jesus' teaching are guidelines and not words to live by.
>Now, from the perspective of getting people to be worthy of the Kingdom of god, it's utterly pointless to forcefully redistribute wealth, whether it is through government or society's coercion, since that does not magically make every man believe that he must share all he has with everyone else. It just makes him do that, since he has no other choice.
As I said before, it's morally empty.
Who said anything about forced redistribution? I'm just saying that a Christian should feel compelled to give what they have because of personal need to help others.
I'm not against wealth redistribution though, even without money we can find ways to serve our fellow man.
>Yes, that reason is that the left is too retarded to realize that work is not exclusive to manual labor.
I'm not actually the same guy, but of course people like managers are workers, they just don't deserve more money than the people working under them.
>>98419890
I know right? He claims victory despite providing no justification for his beliefs.
>>98419738
Best DDS girl and second best DDS boy deserved to be together, shame how everything turned out in the end though.
>>98421929
stop posting any time, asshole
>>98421929
You think I'm gonna read all that shit nigga? Goddamn
>>98421836
/smtg/ is currently more autistic than r/megaten
>>98421262
Too many games, not enough time.
>>98422280
That's impossible, I thought they only posted about P4.
>>98422371
Liking mainstream things isn't autistic. Stupid. But those aren't the same thing.
>>98422475
P4 is autistic as hell.
>>98422371
Its 99% P4. Don't even get me started on their waifu faggotry. Its always fucking Chie.
I have a friend who goes there to shitpost. Something about Nocturne related, don't remember, I'm not going to that place ever.
>>98421929
He was just about to go away. You're almost as bad for feeding him.
>>98422552
How? It spends most of the game BTFOing autists. Both of the killers are clearly on the spectrum.
>>98421929
>I don't know what religion your talking about where Jesus' teaching are guidelines and not words to live by.
Exactly. Religion. Not government.
Religion is a choice, government is not, and neither is group coercion.
I'm not the one extrapolating Jesus' teachings to force other people to live by them, if they don't actually believe in them.
>Who said anything about forced redistribution?
Redistribution through group coercion is still forced, even without a government to do it.
There's nothing wrong with distributing what you personally have out of a moral code.
There's everything wrong with imposing that moral code on others, especially when coercion goes against that same moral code.
>I'm not actually the same guy, but of course people like managers are workers, they just don't deserve more money than the people working under them.
Enjoy living in a broken country. But naturally that will not satisfy you from a moral point of view, so think of it this way.
The value of work is simply the value that people are willing to pay for it.
Whether people "deserve" or not is irrelevant, since your moral code is not the thing which will determine how much people will pay for a certain thing.
Merit is a completely irrelevant concept when it comes to the value of work, because it is utterly subjective.
>>98422735
P4 gave me 4 extra chromosomes
>>98422735
>How?
Hugbox: The Video Game
>It spends most of the game BTFOing autists. Both of the killers are clearly on the spectrum.
You a funny nigga.
>>98421975
>>98422593
I admit that I'm the kind of asshole who's gotta have the last word. Regardless of what happens, I don't think anything else can come out of the conversation.
So how about them Megatens?
>>98422296
Like?
>>98422995
Can you just go back to neogaf
>>98422995
Let's talk about Devil Summoner. The sword fusion is pretty good. Atlus is a bunch of cunts for not bringing it to IV.
>>98422957
>You a funny nigga.
But adachi's reactions are clearly meant to represent mild autism. He can act plausibly normal sometimes, but spergs when things don't go his way. Whatever the fuck his name is halfway through was definitely a more full blown autist.
>>98423180
>But adachi's reactions are clearly meant to represent mild autism.
>>98423137
I just started Soul Hackers and I'm 8 hours in. I feel like I fucked up in 2 places. The first is my name. The handle I gave the protag was "Nexus" and there's some dude in the Spookies named Six and its too close to Nexus.
Second was saying that sexy defines Nemissa so I got the electricity and almighty shit instead of my preferred fire and expel.
Should I restart?
>>98423387
I don't see why you would, Nemissa is good whatever you choose.
>>98423387
You should throw soul hackers in the garbage.
>>98423548
Wow, feel free to leave this general any time. I bet you hate Devil Summoner 1 as well.
>>98423548
>>>>>>>>>>/pg/
I just started playing Nocturne, holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWcNY1G5p6c
>>98423851
uuuuuuuuuuheuuuuuooooaaaaaaaaahh
UHHHHHOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUA
>>98423851
Yeah that's nice
It'd also be nice if someone re-uploaded the OST
>>98423068
I could spend the time listing and compiling them all for you actually finishing at least one.
what the fuck. Don't do this to me game. don't you fucking do...goddamit I think I actually LIKE midori. She's dumb as a sack of hammers but I can't hate her Spider-man-esque philosophy
>>98425241
Yeah, she's not that bad. She's represented as naive, but look at it this way. While everyone else is sitting around being selfish, either explicitly by fucking people over,or implicitly by only protecting themselves, she goes out to help people, and has fun doing it. It would have been a reasonable and highly respectable plan if not for that she was too naive to make sure it didn't blow up on her. She's one of the more dateable people in-series once you get past her naivete. When you consider that the characters are all young, a few years could fix that in her anyways possibly. And if she likes cosplay she no doubt loves games or anime too. Enough to have a sense of humor about wanting to be a magical girl.
>>98425241
Mari a best
>>98425771
No. Mari a shit.
>>98425938
Say that to my face and not in the cyberspace and watch what happens.
>>98425938
>>98425771
literally who?
>>98425545
>dateable
you may think she's your gal but she's everyone's pal
Can we take a minute and talk do what we do do best: talk shit.
Apparently r/megaten linked us again.
>>98426712
TMI.
>>98423137
I loved sword fusion. For some reason I actually like the main character not being able to do magic. Sword fusion helped overcome the not having an element weakness. Guns combined with an ice or electric sword was all I needed.
>>98425241
I liked Midori too for the same reason. It is kind of rare for someone in a Megaten game to gain power and decide to do good with it instead of pushing everyone around. I actually liked her voice once I got used to it because it was kind of hilarious and fit her well.
>>98425771
Haru a best.
>>98426712
Persona 3 and Persona 4 are the best games in the SMT franchise none of the other games matter
>>98426712
Hey r/megaten! You're a bunch of faggot cunts!
>>98425771
>>98426948
>>98425241
Fumi a best
>>98426980
Ow the edge
>>98427113
Fumi is best DeSu2 girl. Of course that isn't a hard title to reach seeing as how her only real competition is Otome and maybe Makoto.
Io a shit.
>>98426547
Some side character who is unimportant and dies and you won't miss.
Ghostlight is putting out Way of the Samurai 4 on Steam. Weird.
>>98419494
I googled it just to make sure but "True Demon Run Matador Battle” was never used outside of that review and its reposts, as expected.
How come people can get paid to make up completely useless clickbait bullshit about games they never played but not to write insightful and useful essays about games they actually played in-depth?
>>98427862
And what does that have to do with Shin Megami Tensei?
>>98425545
and unlike Yuzu she's not whining all the time about wanting to go home.
I can respect
>I HAVE TO HELP PEOPLE
a hell of a lot more than
>IM TIIIIIIIIIIRED
>>98426948
>Haru a best.
Im currently debating either Haru or Amane. Amane seems pretty reasonable as far as LAW fags go and seems to be challenging me to accomplish something big.
>>98428202
Nah I think your wrong it is coming out on steam
>>98428202
Ghostlight.
>>98428347
>Im currently debating either Haru
>haru
Into the trash you go.
>>98428873
God damn, could he be any edgier
>>98428873
don't you have some yaoi to go fap too
>DeSufags shitting up the thread with waifushit
>>98429038
I wish. Yaoi is all aimed at girls, so its always like pages on pages of talking and S-senpai, N-no, followed by two panels of sex and then more talking.
I did learn however that a reason girls like it so much is that its one of the few porn types that is aimed pretty much exclusively at girls.
>>98429109
>MUH STRONG THEMES OF DESTRUCTION AND RECREATION!
>>98417703
Amane also has 3 move
>>98428873
>>98428943
>>98429038
I can't wait to see all the people who hated Yamato go crazy over and defend his sister who's even shittier than him.
>>98429540
She's at least not as pretentious. And she's kind of cute.
>>98429492
yes but Amane isn't a shit human being who whines all day every day
>>98429630
>She's at least not as pretentious.
She's even more pretentious. She talks so polite to the point that it's actually condescending.
>And she's kind of cute.
She looks just like him.
>>98429687
I dislike that picture of her because her sleeve thing is between her legs so she's going to have to awkwardly step over it
>>98429723
He's cute too. He's like Naoya, but fuckable.
>>98429723
And that's cute. Politeness is much better than "rarg do what I say or I'll throw a tantrum and have you executed because I'm a spoiled brat"
DeSu2 would be better if Miyako completely replaced Yamato.
>>98429918
>"rarg do what I say or I'll throw a tantrum and have you executed because I'm a spoiled brat"
Wait. When did yamato act like this?
>>98429918
Condescending politeness isn't cute.
>rarg do what I say or I'll throw a tantrum and have you executed because I'm a spoiled brat
That's actually more like Miyako's characterization. She gets really angry when the party doesn't do what she says. Even one of her skills is called "Public Execution" and she has a meltdown in a terminal later in the game.
Yamato rarely got angry and never executed or used excessive force against anybody.
>>98430078
All the time. It's maybe not quite that overt but he's still like "Do what I say or else you'll be fired from JPs and forced to live on the streets like an animal"
>>98430078
Never. He's just trying to suppress his gay lust for Yamato by making things up to hate him for. As seen by how he loves Miyako.
>>98430159
That's because he's the boss of JPs and its the middle of a crisis situation, you stupid fuck. He actually lets you get away with a surprisingly large amount of shit. You can more or less openly betray him on the last days and he still lets you sleep there until you fight him. Do you want him to blow you while you're at it?
>>98430159
He never did that. Not even once. He even lets Makoto's treason slide because he found her useful.
He's also the leader of a spiritual military organization. Being a hardass is completely necessary.
>>98427537
Nothin' edgy about that m8 unless you're some kind of personer-tier baby
>>98430271
>>98430078
In the anime he was a colossal prick
>>98430383
I still like Miyako a lot more, sorry. It's okay that you're trying to defend your husbando but he's not a very well adjusted individual
>>98430489
Nobody in the anime was in-character at all.
>>98429723
>She looks just like him.
Yeah but she's got T&A so that makes her fuckable.
>>98430489
>in the anime
Aaaaaand argument invalidated.
>>98430489
That's because in the anime you didn't have the option to side with him, and they wanted to justify him being not only the villain, but the end boss.
>>98430441
You callin' me a pursoner-baby? Listen here boy, I played Nocturne and fucked Matador up. Who's the person-baby now?
Was playing persona 1 and didn't like it so far, l think the only motivation l have to play would be the story, is it worth to keep playing?
>>98430676
How far did you get?
>>98430676
>is it worth to keep playing?
it's pretty cool yeah. 2 IS is the big story champ though
>>98430806
IS is the fucking Final Fantasy 8 of Persona
>>98430658
Bitch I bet you haven't even beaten Persona 1 or SMT1 you fucking casual, show me that edge boy I tell you what
>>98430419
>He's also the leader of a spiritual military organization.
i find it amusing how so many people seem to forget this when crying about how what a big old meanie he is. 99% his being "mean" was a lot nicer than what you'd find in an actual rl military. hopefully those people never enlist.
>>98430967
he's a 17 year old boy
>>98431005
what does that have to do with my post?
>>98431070
he's a big guy
>>98431070
Because it's absolutely hilarious that you paint him as some grizzled veteran who takes nobody's shit but he's still a teenager. It's completely unrealistic for him to be in charge of anything
>>98431096
for you.
>>98431151
i never painted him as such.
>>98431280
You compared him to IRL military leadership so yeah you kind of did
Yamato doesn't even know what he wants but he tries to pretend like he knows exactly what he's doing
>>98431360
i compared him by saying that what he actually does was way nicer, and hence unrealistic. he's not mean at all when you keep his position in mind.
>>98431151
This is a pretty retarded complaint. Yes, we know that Japanese rpgs made under the assumption that a lot of kids play them make characters younger than they realistically should be based on how they act. But it doesn't change that someone in his position would act way more harsh than he actually does, but that you're still bitching about it as if it was too hard.
Did you have a military dad? Are you acting out about anything that reminds you of him?
>>98432035
To be fair the excuse for his age was that he was raised from birth for the job, and that's also why he's screwed up.
>>98432238
>raised from birth to do one specific thing
>can't even do that thing well
Gee, great job Yamato. Yet another reason why your sister is better than you.
>>98432304
It would be pretty hot to have yamato and Miyako both get bottomless and bend over in front of you and you alternated fucking one or the other in the ass.
>>98432304
She doesn't do her job well, either. It's also a part of her character development. She even unlocks Sandalphon.
It's even apparent in their names. Yamato is the entirety of Japan and the soul of the Japanese people. Miyako is a mere capital.
>>98432427
I bet they'd both beg you to cum inside of them and not the other
>>98432517
Sasuga Japan on the sexism
>>98432517
She doesn't even have a job. It makes her incompetence much more understandable. She wasn't raised from birth to do shit, she's just playing it by ear.
>>98432550
Miyako doesn't have Yamato's possessive yandere traits so it's doubtful she would. She doesn't really care about you for most of the game. She decides to follow you in the end only because she sees everyone else's faith in you.
>>98432828
I assume she'd be into you enough if she wanted to have anal sex with you
>>98433057
She wants to have anal sex with Daichi.
>>98433087
Lets be honest. No girl would ever let daichi put it in their ass.
>>98433158
Miyako would.
>>98432427
She'd probably be tighter.
>>98433296
Nah, he's more fit since he has higher STR stat and physical resistance. He could deathgrip with his ass.
>>98433296
Fuck yamato. Why would anyone want to have sex with either of them. Its guaranteed to be the mot rigid shitty sex.
>>98432304
He was shown to be very effective at his job though.
He abused his power but in the end he got shit done and he got it done fast.
>>98433486
They'd probably criticize your stamina afterwards or some shit. They're both spoiled brats.
>>98433376
>he has higher STR stat and physical resistance
Sasuga Japan again >>98432693
>>98433376
I don't think that's how muscles work
>>98433792
Fit people are tighter so it's not wrong. There's even exercises specifically to improve tightness.
>>98433792
look up kegel
>>98434196
do you think makoto does kegels
>>98433792
You've never squeezed your ass muscles before?
>>98435152
i don't think anon has any muscles left
>>98433542
This is true and it's emphasized in Break Record. Break Record spoilers ahead.
In Break Record they end up having to fight the Triangulum against Miyako's orders because of incompetence on her end.In fact, the incompetence causes Makoto to resort to stepping out of line and taking charge over Miyako's orders several times to give some Yamato-style orders that she learned from him. Makoto becomes rather attached to Miyako and wants to help her based on what she's learned from Yamato.
Unlike Yamato, Miyako won't admit her subordinates suck and refuses to let the group fight the Triangulum. She uses the excuse "because you're civilians" but it's because she knows they'd eventually find out that she's up to something, which they do without being even a day there. She only keeps them around so she can sacrifice them for her plan later, and thanks to Alcor being a huge faggot retard, she fully knows who they are.
When they go on the run from Miyako and get Yamato back, shit starts running smoothly. He even continues leading the group when she joins you despite her not stepping down from JP's because he's simply a stronger leader.
It's amusing to see people who haven't played the game praise Miyako for things she's worse at than Yamato, or hate him for traits he doesn't have but she does. I'd say it's deliberate if I didn't know that waifufags are prone to that kind of stupidity.
I see /smtg/ is as quality a general as ever
>>98435640
Good to see Makoto has finally grown a spine.
>>98435640
I have yet to hear anything about Break Record that sounds good.
>>98435694
Its actually better today than its been for a few weeks.
>>98435881
It's not good. It's basically just rehashing the story of DeSu2 but with ~~new~~ and ~~wacky~~ characters
>>98435881
sorry you're waifu a shit
Which is better in MT2, Lucifer's Sword or the Hinokagutsuchi? The Lucifer's Sword has 80 power and does 1-8 hits and the Hinokagutsuchi has 97 power with 2 hits. Lucifer's sword also has a slightly higher crit rate apparently.
>>98436004
Stop typing like you're on Gaia.
>>98436043
what's better, 80 * (1...8) or 97 * 2
>>98436004
It doesn't even have new characters. If they wanted to make a new game at least add enough new characters to make it seem like you're not shitting directly in our mouths. One new character makes it obvious that you just never gave a shit.
>>98435881
Just curious, are you the guy who keeps complaining about sexism?
>>98436252
Plus the old characters are barely even in the game except for Alcor and Yamato. Io has maybe a third of the lines as Miyako
>>98436252
The one new character is only in there because her brother is extremely popular.
>>98436317
There's someone who complains about sexism? In what game?
>>98436359
This is incorrect. Miyako is actually barely in the plot until closer to the end of the game because you're mostly on the run from her.
All characters have a lot of new fate events and the events are very long. The old characters have a tonne of time.
>>98436554
She still has much more lines than Io. Seriously, count em up. I think Alcor + Yamato + Miyako have more lines than the entire rest of the cast. Not even kidding.
>>98436687
As someone who has actually played the game and wrote up the spoilers above, you're wrong. I'd say Io has far more lines than both Miyako and Alcor. You also don't see Alcor much until the end of the game.
>>98436687
To be fair, is this really an issue? Less lines from keita, joe, and ronaldo can only be a good thing.
>>98436791
Keita and Ronaldo aren't so bad this time. I agreed with a lot of what Keita was saying through the game.
>>98436791
Then why even bother including them? That's what I don't like about BR; its plot is so focused on a few characters that the ones who are minor just feel out of place and pointless. At least DeSu2's original story had the pretext of "oh no my friends are trapped in tokyo" shit before the "now we're part of a massive organization" thing
so is there a trick to the auction cuz I can't help but feel Im paying out the ass when i shouldn't need too
>>98436135
Stop talking about Gaia.
>>98435640
>>98436787
what the fuck does Psyduck get himself into now?
>>98436787
I've played the game too. You'd have to be a fool to deny that the story revolves around Yamato and Miyako
>>98436964
Not really. The amount you generally have to pay to know for sure you'll win is only marginally lower than the buy now price. Since that's all you use money for, they don't want you to have infinite access to the best demons for free.
>>98436947
You haven't played Break Record. It's too obvious.
>>98437079He ran into Miyako and caused her to realize she's half Triangle, leading her to imprisoning him in her zany scheme of making him a true Administrator and turning herself and the other Triangles into his Swords.
At the cost of killing the characters.
>>98437129
Miyako is just "there" as a plot device. You completely forget about her until it's time to fight her.
Come to think of it, I think I remember somebody trying to push similar ideas on here as you the day the game came out in Japan in attempt to get people riled up.
>>98437079The retarded little dipshit gets himself kidnapped and thrown into a torture device because he was too naive and trusting of her. Thankfully he gets hell for this from Yamato because not only did he put the group in huge danger and screw things up really bad, he left Yamato alone and confused in the Akashic Stratum to nearly die for god knows how long and by extension almost lose the MC for good.
>>98437398
Al trusting humans? Why I'd be shocked if it wasn't so completely in character for him.
>>98437301
She's on the fucking cover, dude. I know you've read a lot of rumors on Japanese Twitter but as someone who owns the game I can say that she's definitely an important character.
>>98437606
She's important as a plot device for the characters to run from, but she's barely present until the end of the game.
And yes, I do own the game, hence why I know these spoilers in the depth that I do.
>>98437705
>And yes, I do own the game
Prove it.
>>98437770
>Prove it.
Lick my nutsack, little man.
>>98437770
I don't have to prove anything to a retard trying to spread lies about Miyako taking over the game at the expense of the other characters.
>>98437887
I'm not that person. I'm just wary of people saying "I've played the game and <X> happens" without any kind of proof.
>>98437939
What the fuck kind of proof do you want? I've written up parts of the plot in depth. No way in hell am I going the extra mile to find a camera and write shit on paper for you.
>>98438174
That's not that far out there. Just a picture of the box an an smtg timestamp is plenty. Hell, even just a picture of the box would be fine.
It's really easy to take plot summaries from gamefaqs or neogaf or whatever gaming forum is hot these days
>>98438276
It's far out there when I don't own shit like a smartphone to easily upload to the internet.
I don't know why you'd think I'm lying, yet not them. I haven't said anything inflammatory as opposed to the other person trying to make Miyako out as the next Marie.
>>98436317
No, Miyako just sounds like a bad character who steals the spotlight from all the better characters. It doesn't help I'm one of the few people who actually liked Ronaldo.
God damn, some of the MegaTen Cell Phone games look neat. Is there really no way to play those now? It'd be a shame if they ended up lost forever.
>>98439772
No way to play them.
>>98440008
That really sucks. Wonder if ATLUS would release them in some other form as a package or something. Or at least someone could put them up for download somewhere and have some sort of Japanese cell phone emulator.
>>98440008
I want to play the DDS prequel and Soul Hackers sequel dammit!
>>98440215
I want to play that SMT 1 sequel that follows the Law route.
>>98440373
Me too. I always wanted to open a box in my orphanage and find YHVH inside.
>>98440215
>DDS prequel
How would that work?
>>98440541
Nevermind, it isn't a prequel, but that just raises further questions.
>>98440215
>DDS prequel
Who cares about that? QDS vol. 2 WHEN?
I would love if someday ATLUS made a SMT game with the usual law, chaos and neutral routes but with a direct sequel that would allow us to play the routes we got further showing us deeper what our actions brought to the world of the game.
Wonder if someday ATLUS will make something like that, i hate that their sequels select an ending.
>>98438276
Well here's my shitty pictures. Hope you're happy. I'm >>98435640, >>98436554, >>98436787, >>98437398, >>98437705
>>98438648
She is a bad character, but Ronaldo does get quite a bit of time. She doesn't steal the spotlight too much until you fight her.Ronaldo also gets along with Yamato enough now to lead a plan to get into the Mt.Fuji terminal. It goes pretty well until Daichi screws up because he had to take a piss.
>>98440962
Wait. Its out in engish?
>>98440962
Have another.
>>98441090
Now take one with your dick in it.
>>98441059
No, retard. English version is a Record Breaker trying to break records of being the shittiest translation in a game with shittiest voice actors. They're going to make Guinness.
>>98441090
Nice e-peen, hope you're happy that you can show off on an anonymous imageboard. There was really no reason to deliver only because of some baiting retard.
Is the Arrange Soundtrack the only thing you got?
>>98440904
Yes, I do know what a plot device is. She's barely a character and is only in there as an excuse for conflict. It becomes even more apparent when her "character development" was like flipping a switch and when she forced herself into other people's fate events at the end of the game it was unnatural as hell because the writers clearly didn't know what to do with her after her use was up.
>>98440962>Daichi screws up because he had to take a piss
I said it before and i will say it again: DeSu 2 is the P4 of the DeSu series.BR looks as shitty fanservice drivel as P4G.
>>98441298
you sound oddly threatened by someone posting images for some weird reason. what's with the stick up your ass. you on your rag?
![Devil_Survivor_2_Ep09_(4E7F0B88).mkv_snapshot_11.06_[2015.03.26_01.24.04].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PQQeQbt.jpg "Devil_Survivor_2_Ep09_(4E7F0B88).mkv_snapshot_11.06_[2015.03.26_01.24.04].jpg")
>>98440962
Does Airi get to do anything cool
>>98441442
>Yes, I do know what a plot device is.
No, you don't.
>She's barely a character
As much as every other character in the game.
>only in there as an excuse for conflict
As much as Yamato and Ronaldo are just excuses for conflict in Sep.
>It becomes even more apparent when her "character development" was like flipping a switch and when she forced herself into other people's fate events at the end of the game it was unnatural as hell because the writers clearly didn't know what to do with her after her use was up.
She has more "character development than most other characters, it isn't really unnatural at all just overdone.
I'm glad that the board is back to normal. You had me worried for a bit, smtg.
>>98441571
What in that post exactly makes me sound threatened?
That's some strange projector you have there. I don't but sticks up my ass by the way, pretty content with my fingers.
>>98441745
>She has more "character development than most other characters
And it all happens in the span of a couple scenes. It was forced as hell. She goes from mysterious and emotionless to a big crybaby after you defeat her like you turned a light on and off. There was nothing natural about that at all.
>>98439772
I doubt even Japs can access them easily.
>>98441896
To be fair, Yamato also has a few moments of nearly crying too.
The twins are supposed to become more compassionate people, and "human-like"and in Miyako's case that just happens to be literal.
>>98441896
It was obvious that she did have emotions right from the start.
Forced is another buzzword I don't like. You could say that Yamato suddenly turning best guy of them all forced, the whole ending they work with forced, Ronaldo being the representative of the shittiest new ending forced etc. Fact is that most characterization happens in the "span of a couple scenes".
There's really no reason to isolate Miyako and focuse on her with criticism on the writing because it lacks quality overall.
>>98442268
At least he composes himself before he could dump his gay angst on you out in the open for the world to see. She just lets it all go unprovoked in a terminal of all fucking places.
>>98442364
The direction Yamato went in was the most predictable thing in the game.
>>98442546
Yamato was only less jarring and has the better end of it because he had the longer Septentrione story for development as well.
They tried to shove two whole stories worth of development onto her, plus she's a girl so there's no stigma if she cries in front of people so they went ahead and had her do it.
Whether people find sobbing annoying is a personal thing.
>>98442747
>They tried to shove two whole stories worth of development onto her
And they didn't have to do that. You're not helping your case.
>>98442268
that nigga of all niggas does WHAT?
>>98443513
It should already be obvious that he was actually a really nice guy and only wanted what he thought was best for humanity. That's not even a spoiler. He was just fucked up for various reasons.
![Devil_Survivor_2_Ep06_(3AE8B141).mkv_snapshot_07.07_[2015.03.27_02.31.09].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TPh4GBo.jpg "Devil_Survivor_2_Ep06_(3AE8B141).mkv_snapshot_07.07_[2015.03.27_02.31.09].jpg")
it would be much easier to take him and his plight seriously if he wasn't wearing that silly hoodie
>>98443180There's a point where he starts getting super emotional after you save him and his voice starts cracking and everything, you have to say his name for him to compose himself before he goes overboard.
He was going to have a scene in front of everybody if you said nothing.
And there's also Saiduq's Bunny Becoming Admin route, when he's the only one who sees through Saiduq's lies he approaches in disbelief then suddenly rushes off after you reply to him.
Saiduq shat his pants and was left speechless and feeling very sad for him, so presumably he ran off to cry like a little bitch.
So he's a crybaby too.
>>98443615
I agree but wanting the best for humanity and believing humanity are not the same at all.
But I'll go with it, it's not predictable that he becomes suddenly unfucked-up.
Its that time again. Roll for which devil survivor character wuld u fuck.And date.
0: Yuzu. You'll have to deal with her deciding you're in a relationship forever and obsessing whether or not you want it.
1: Airi. she gets angry a little easy. She has good sex, but you have to risk her mentality taking her to strange places.
2: Midori. She'll act a little crazy during, but not in a fun way. If you stay with her she'll eventually get better at great sex.
3: Miyako. She will wear those yellow boots during. If you convince her you're worth it she'll stay.
4: Fumi. She doesn't care about you at all. You have no guarantee she'll even want to see you again or won't use you as an experiment.
5: Io. She's not interesting.
6: Mari she's older than you and is experienced, but will plan on making a life with you and you'll have to face that she'll be getting old while you're still young.
7: amane. She's smart and would be great outside of sex, but its a gamble as to whether she will be or will learn good sex.
8: Alcor. He doesn't even know what homosexuality is, so he'll act playfully confused about it.
9: Yamato. He was gay all along. He'll have great gay sex, but will act like a pushy dick to you about "improving yourself" outside of it.
00: Polaris. That giant dildo will cleave your ass in two.
>>98443763
He was still fucked up. Remember his speech about still thinking humanity is trash? He only gives humanity a chance because of what he observed from the 13 individuals, plus Bunny being a bit of a psychologist for him.
>>98443805
>7: amane. She's smart and would be great outside of sex, but its a gamble as to whether she will be or will learn good sex.
she said herself that she's not familiar with....relations. You'd have to be the one too take charge and show her the ropes.
so yeah given where we are it's gonna be a mess at first
>>98443720
fucking LOL. the bugger keeps getting NTR'd in Alcor's routes. that's not nice.
>>98443997
He should stop being late.
>>98443805
>No Naoya
What a waste.
>>98443720
You forgot the event where you know who yells at him for being socially retarded, and you have to speak to him twice for him to say anything, then he quickly excuses himself.
>>98443513
you're so butthurt over your posts being deleted it's funny
censored and spoilered porn is still against the rules
>>98443997
It's executed sort of weirdly though. He aggressively craves your cock through the whole thing, then just gives up like he's mindbroken or something in Alcor's ending.
Doing anything but Yamato's ending makes you feel pretty bad for the poor faggot, actually.
He holds your hand through the whole thing then to suddenly backstab him is pretty shitty. It comes off like you used and tossed him like a gutter whore.
Alcor does nothing but screw things up by getting his ass captured, and Ronaldo is a retard, so it's even more questionable to go to those two instead of him with that in mind.
>>98443513
I don't even understand why you keep posting this image, anon. That doujin wasn't even good.
