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>Extremely In-Depth Guide on the Mechanics of PAYDAY 2
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267214370
>Skill/Weapon Stat Calculator:
http://www.pd2skills.com/
>Skilltree Guide (slightly out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/nUXjB3J.png
>Perk Deck Guide:
http://i.imgur.com/E6x18Bt.png
>Stat Ranking and Breakpoints (slightly out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/TY14uav.png
>Weapon/Armor/Damage/Pickup Spreadsheets (not up to date):
http://pastebin.com/dSyuTzdt
>Big Oil Engine Calculator:
http://payday2skills.ru/bigoil.html
>PAYDAY Wiki:
http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/PAYDAY_2
>Latest Updates Here:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620
>Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/itfeelslikesomethingsintheair
>Mods and Lua:
http://pastebin.com/E3m0uKKn
>Daily Dose
http://fuldans.se/?v=bawawkvbhb
Last one fell off at 400 replies. Just let it die, bros
>OVK rats for the daily
>Cloaker rushes through everyone at me
>Downs me
>Get inspired up
>cloaker instantly drop kicks me
>get inspired up
>cloaker instantly drop kicks me
>You were put into custody
>"wow, such fucking trash."
>-you were kicked from the game.
I did it, I found a community worse then League of Legends!
>>127960237
:^)
Page 9 guys. Ded general just like your ded game
>>127960141
>>127962437
fuck off shitposters
>>127960237
Theres no such thing as a community worse than what you would find in a MOBA
>>127963107
this desu
wow people still play this garbage?
>>127963284
Should they add more skills to existing skill trees or trim them down to just the more impactful skills and less of the ones that you buy just to get to the next tier
>>127963579
>This thread continues on regardless
TOP KEK
>>127963850
it is continuing on you dildo
So we got hoxton out of jail, hit the golden grin casino, and hox got his revenge
What's the next big thing that's actually relevant to the games story and not a reference to something
>>127964921
You forgot you had to kill the commissar so the dentist would arrange to get hoxton a retrial.
>>127964921
Overkill's kinda been written into a corner, nowhere to really go from here
>>127964921
There's still Baldwin but Overkill forgot about that since it was only a thing back in the PD:TH days.
>>127965303
They can literally create any new material that they feel like
>>127965738
Oh sure, they can go wherever, but they can't go anywhere they'd want to. Way I see it they can either make something nonsensical and stupid, but fun, or somewhere that ties into the plot but is sort of boring when compared to Illuminati conspiracies and daylight jailbreaks.
>>127964921
Bain and the crew helping Jiro
You're all shit.
>>127966595
Yeah I know. I can't do any DW heists or even OVK rats.
>>127966514
Shit man, I forgot all about that, hell yeah let's go find Jiro's son's ashes
23th for the best heister of the gang
>>127966595
go be a lush somewhere else
>>127960237
>Cloaker kicks you into custody on OVK
Nice bait
>>127963284
>tfw going on a Big Kahuna rampage with friends on Hoxtolicious Breakout Overkill,
Pump-action shotguns are still shit-tier but damn that was still fun.
>>127967890
>Not owning skins
>>127968051
>Cloakers in PD:TH
>Spawns away from heisters.
>Picks an ambush position and waits.
>Takes out a single heister.
>Cloakers in PD2
>Spawns right on your position or right next to you.
>Sprints directly towards where it last saw you.
>Chain kicks 4 people down.
>>127966595
I know
>>127968264
>Chain kicks 4 shitters down.
ftfy ; Whenever you see someone getting cockered at the other end of the map, you're not supposed to rush like an idiot unless if you have inspire aced of course.
>go into the enforcer tree because I didn't like shotguns
>without shotguns the tree is basically worthless
Well this was a mistake
>>127968667
Er, *but I didn't like shotguns
>>127968667
Good one dumbass
>>127968264
That's because:
>PD:TH - Depending on where they are downed, reviving a teammate ranges from 'somewhat dicey' to 'fucking impossible'
>PD2 - Some shithead with Grinder, an LBV, and Inspire Ace runs around spamming F and the only real danger is that some maps are large enough that one can potentially be too far away to get at before they go into custody
>>127968667
>implying there is anything wrong with a Sniper/Smg Techforcer build,
Daily reminder that AA12 users are Assault Riflesfags in denial.
>>127969034
Maybe I just suck at it because that's exactly what I'm trying to run.
I had more fun with my tech/ghost silent killer AR build... Until I was told it was trash
>tfw we will never get the full version of "Steal from the richs, give to myself"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGyKrjchNA
>Stick the Futomaki suppressor on the micro uzi
>Use Silent Killer
>Melt absolutely everything
>>127969292
>use smg specialist on the Micro-uzi,
>get instant-reload times,
SMG confirmed for being the most underrated weapon class of the game.
>>127969504
For sure. I'm glad that the Silent Killer buff made them usable.
>>127964921
Apart from just doing more chill jobs and seeing Garnet going more and more extreme into fighting the payday gang, the scenario is a bit stuck so far. Wouldn't be surprising they expand on the Locke character, giving more heists where he acts like a snake.
Simon was recently commissioned by the devs for two others songs so there is at least one heist confirmed for very soon.
NICE PILE OF SHIT GENERAL YOU GOT HERE
>mfw learning Bain failure's lines on Rats Lab with pubbies,
Rats Lab confirmed for being only playable with friends, it's that awful.
>>127972490
>Dual monitor setup
>Pull up a list of his fuckups and what they actually mean on my side-monitor
>Guide friends and pubbies
Feels good
>>127972715
>tell pubbies to not touch the ingredients,
>see him throwing a Cs into the Hcl hole,
>mfw as i hear the "Well in the annals of criminal cock-ups, that ranks high. I can hear the cops laughing from here. Better luck next time" while i see the shitter quitting the game.
Feels a bit funny but still shit.
YOU CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP
>>127969292
>>127969504
>be intrigued by this
>Point it at a black dozer's face
>pull the trigger
>with smg spec aced fires so fast he dies in 2 seconds and with the 100 stability there's 0 recoil
This is the tits.
Who /microsoftJacket/ here ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8bOdW2uypQ
>>127973013
>Some faggot who thinks he's king shit on turd mountain tells me not to touch chems
>Blow up the lab to spite him and leave.
>>127960141
>>127962437
>>127963284
>>127966595
>>127972008
>>127973167
the shitpost sure is strong in here
>>127974513
Just trying to get keep the terminally ill thread from dying
>>127974513
Every post I make is of the highest quality, anon.
>>127974513
>now we need....shitposting.
>wrong guess, by elimination, it was namefags, got any of that around ?
Daily reminder that the Krinkov is superior when using the single-fire mode and its high Rof is actually a downside.
REFUGEES WELCOME
>>127975852
Just use a deagle if you're going to do something like that.
>>127975902
>>127973167
Fuck off /pol/
I’m new to Lobbystats
When I’m heisting, it shows "Bain’s Plan" but shit is too small, how do I fix this
Also
>Doing the heist on stealth
>Muh deposit boxes
>Houston Bot goes through a fucking window alerting civs
>2016
>Still no way to mute voices separately from SFX.
>>127976457
>he doesn't fully control the map before emptying the vault on Bank Heist,
>>127976841
It was behind, shit was already controlled, no one expected that DUMBASS acting dumb even as a bot
>>127976457
>Picking deposit boxes.
So... is this a noob trap weaponBecause I really like it and need to know if I should hate myself for it
>>127977176
No, it’s a good weapon
>All that lack of mods
>Not L100
But atleast I know that you used a boost on it, right? Right?You fucking shitter
>>127977176
>that fake wood effect,
No, it's more like a meta weapon. Using Silent Killer IS the noob trap.
>>127977328Team boost, yeah
>>127977007
Yeah, it just happens sometimes, and that's since the beta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYpKhKCFwg
>>127977176
It doesn't have the piercing an actual sniper rifle has and a beagle can match the same damage breakpoints while having a bigger mag and faster reload. It's pretty niche considering the superior primaries you could have.
>The wood skin turns several of the attachments into wood.
>Including scopes.
Overkill Quality™
>>127976457
So, no one knows how to fix it?
>>127977910
It's a feature, can't complain ;)
so is there a tier list for meta weapons?
>>127979293
Why you want that, have fun dud
>>127979364
Until you get the the point where you can't go on without meta builds.
>>127979949
But you can
>>127979293
Yes here's the link
gitgud.gov/useyournoggin
>>127979293
>Meta AR,
Car-4 for the 150 ammo AR category, AK 7.62 for the 80 damages ones.
>Meta Shotguns,
All requires Enforcer's skills to be good but all are insanely fun apart from the M1014, Predator's 12G and Street Sweeper,
>Meta Sniper:
R93/Nagant are the most balanced.
>Meta Pistols,
Bernettis or Baby Deagles, Leo can be nice if you have gunslinger aced, dealing 80 damage and benefiting from a extended mag with no concealment loss.
>SMG,
Micro-uzi, Para or Krinkov are all good, balanced choices. Can't go wrong with them.
>>127976261
SWEDEN YES
Is there a reason to report cheaters on Steam, or it just does shit?
People still play this garbage?
>>127980563
You might get them banned from the Steam group if you report them to Overkill. Valve won't do anything because Overkill doesn't use VAC.
>>127980796
And how the hell I do that, PDstats reports them on Steam only
>>127978541
>flash hider on a revolver
this sickens me
>>127973523
Moonman mod when?
>>127982750
>Moonman
Mask when
>>127980425
>Eagle heavy and Falcon won't ever be meta
>>127980563
It's been two years and it does shit. Just stay away from them, odds are high they speak russian too.
>>127983058
>mfw the Eagle Heavy can't even hit max stability,
At least the damage are fine now. Fuck the old days when it could only hit 68 damage max.
>>127984375
But 92 of stability is a good thing
>>127983058
>implying the Fal can't be meta on the Overkill difficulty.
>>127984698
>Meta in Overkill.
Oh yeah lets talk about that hard mode meta too. What's the best method of mitigating blue cop damage guys?
>>127984698
I don't have all the mods.
>tfw no friends to heist with
>tfw pubbies can never get them with me
>tfw can't given up on just using sam yet.
>>127985093
>Not having all the mods
SHITTER, use Goonmod, the Falcon is shit btw
Heist with people of the thread, just join the steam chat next time
>>127985137
I just got the game during the sale.
>>127985093
It's okay, only the stealth weapon mods are hard to get, rest is easy to pick, especially with a competent crew,
>>127973523
How can anyone find this shit funny or good.
>>127960237
>>127960334
>>127963107
>Cloaker downs get you into custody
Stop being tricky.
>>127987430
>jacket get released in march,
>it's been months since any voices updates,
>you get a mod that add a bit of novelty into the character,
Also bit of trivia: the creator fucked off after the release of the black market update, saying microtransactions killed his creativity and all will to update his mod.
Why is the smg reload skill in the ghost tree? Pistols are stronger and more concealable. It makes more sense to put it in the tech tree since they hardly have any weapon improvement skills and are more likely to have a special category weapon or a sniper as a primary, making an smg a good higher RoF counterpart
>>127988453
>micro-transactions ruined this game.
I can't wrap my head around people believing +4 stability/accuracy or +1 conceal is anyway game breaking.
These are the same kind of people who used SAM for every mod because because fuck trying for progression, give me my instant gratification, like that doesn't fuck with the balance at all.
>>127988739
>need silencers to do a proper stealth
>they lower your conceal.
Logically, yes it makes sense but really, that so counter productive. Weapon cases that let you store your primary/secondary until shit hits the fan when?
>>127988739
>Why is the smg reload skill in the ghost tree?
To just feel the void. It was clear some logic was put originally into the skill-trees like the MM using pistols, Enforcers shotguns, Technicians the M308 but for the Smg, it was just because the devs, aka the same guy who considered the "moving target" skill didn't deserve to get changed or buffed, felt like it.
>>127968785
>grinder
>lbv
That's not how you do it
>>127988963
>I can't wrap my head around people believing +4 stability/accuracy or +1 conceal is anyway game breaking.
A +1 or +3 concealment bonus can really meant something if someone is into SB/LB builds but they would never give a real advantage over other players, even if it made crits hits easier for the flamethrower or minigun users.
People were confused about the rebalance and the new meta anyway, the lack of explanation of the logic from the devs and the new stat bonuses appearing from nowhere didn't help the situation.
posting best pic
>>127987430
probably hotline mitami shitters
wake the fuck up and let's play some death wish
>>127990834
still sleepin tbhh
>>127966865
PRESS F TO BAG JIRO's SON
>>127972715
mind telling me about such list?
>>127972715
>needing guides to cook
So you played for like 15 hours? You just have to wait for his second line if he doesn't say that he made a mistake he'll be always right no matter what
>okay now acid uhhh i think
>you guys have that around?
thats acid
>uhhh i think its soda now
>no wait that its actually hydrogen cloride sorry
thats hydrogen
>>127992847
Don't bother explaining.
Even with the old system, people would argue for days here about how Bain can "be wrong" and how you can't guarantee a voice line matched to an ingredient so you'd have to listen to it a few times just to make sure even though that was objectively wrong.
You just tell them they're retarded and end the conversation.
Dark souls of heisiting games
REMOVE GHOST TREE REMOVE GHOST TREE
REEEEEE
>join a random RATS
>everyone is on infamy, so I guess it should be fine
>all 3 corners in the second floor
>not even 1 bag of meth and the cops are inside the house
What gives? Is it some kind of new fabled tactic?
I had to carry an Overdrill yesterday at the beginning because they wanted to corner near the safe, good thing I always carry a grenade launcher.
>>127996449
>all 3 corners in the second floor
I don't get you mean. You mean they're huddled in a corner?
>>127996669
to be cornered, they were all gathered onto the second floor.
>>127996449
Infamous CTV players are more common than you can think. Just because they've got the sunglasses doesn't mean they're aware of the rogue or muscle perk deck.
>>127996831
>rogue
>>127996831
I often thought about using rogue but I am too afraid of going out without some health regen.
Sure there would be hostake take but that is still not viable everywhere and it takes many points
>>127997307
Just do it faggot.
>>127997424
alright, aftershock but overkill, let's see how this fares, I wonder if I should spend some points for that 15% to go to 30% of avoiding enemy fire while near an ally.
>>127997527
If you're shooting at a cop, aggro evasion doesn't do anything.
http://forums.lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=14961
I think someone was looking for mod like this to perform tactical reload before the last bullet is shot
>>127997114
Hey, not everyone is rich and has the grinder perk
>>127998503
>mfw i see PP as less outrageous as this mod,
>>127984698
>76 acc
How 2 balance payday 2
REMOVE GHOST TREE
>>128001074
>>128001074
>LMGs do 50% more damage and can pierce armor
nah
>>127977658
>leaving ai on when doing stealth
so its the devs fault that you are a retard?
best hud mod coming through
>>127999373
Muscle is way more meta than Rogue at this point tbqh
>>128001569
>Trying to explain low infamies how to find the right computer in the Big Bank
Holy shit, I spent at least ten minutes trying to explain them and they were still activating random computer. One of the guy even got a keycard at the very begining of the the heist and didn't use it.
Fuck these people.
>>128001421
That would barely make them viable to be honest. +50% damage is fucking nothing, especially for 8 points.
>When you joining the FBI, you're joining the front line between order and chaos.
>>127984375
>mfw the Eagle Heavy can't even hit max stability,
uh... about that.
>>128005072
What, does it get worse ?
>>128001226
>TRIP MINES NOW USE THE GRENADES SLOT.
stopped reading right there
>>127991339
>There's no way we can move a whole body out
>Sorry Jiro, we're gunna have to cremate him, its this or nothing
>Shit, the mortician must have the keycard to start the incinerator, grab it from him.
>>127995346
FUCKING GRINDER NORMIES, GET OUT OF MY LOBBY.
>>128007229
i'll grind the fuck out of you faggot
I have noticed I have either a concealment boost or a damage boost for the Clarion, is it worth using?
>>127995346
But... I like my bad but fun techie ghost build.
With silenced AR/sniper and smg
>>128008534
The Clarion is complete utter shit, so no, it's not worth using.
>>128001226
>Shouting at a drill has a 60% to instantly fix it
Kek.
>>128009056
It should be that but hitting the drill with melee instead of shouting
>>128001569
Looks nice, are you using a graphics mod?
>>128008534
Actually the damage bonus is useless since you can already get the same amount via adding weapon mods, getting countless accuracy and stability bonuses on the way.
The concealment boost, on the other hand, is excellent if you're using a fugitive or stealth build.
Is every host just afk in lobby today?
>>128010001
It's just a sample screenshot for the hud. The best hud.
>>128010282
played at least 8 games normally and even was kicked for laughing at a masterfug using a flamethrower. Everything is fine.
>>128011959
shit, meant for >>128011669
>>128011945
I don't care about the HUD, but I like that DoF.
Here's a fun build that goes with Rogue I just made.
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mQSoLhijEFGDa:ghECa:fqrsnoKhiefGBCda:ibcdea:::
Rogue means great dodge and with hostage taker you got your health too.
>>128011959
what's wrong with the flamethrower in that case?
>>128012501
Not a bad idea, but any build without the basic enforcer skills can't be viable.
You should just go with the fak desu.
You can't trust pubs not to kill or convert your cops desu
>>128014141
ah right no transporter, well it is something done just for fun like that, I mean I could for instance take out akimbo and go like this
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mQSoLhijEGBDa:eda:ghEgCda:fqrnoKEfGBCa:ibcdea:::
And meanwhile, as soon as I find another concealment boost I can finally try a Crit flamethrower build on this
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mLhjEFGBcDa:eEFDa:ghEgCda:fRnOKEfGBCa:ibcdea:pN8:::
I just wish I could find another 30 concealment secondary other than the Gruben Kurz
>>128015391
Bronco
>>128015391
Trigger happy is shit, you should just get rid of it.
I can't play without stun resistance anymore.
Going blind for half a minute on DW is awful.
>>128012501
>what's wrong with the flamethrower in that case?
More like crutchthrower.
The one thing worse than a Grinder masterfug is a Crit flamethrower Grinder masterfug.
>>128016248
Would you hate me for this?
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mSLhjEFGBcDa:eiFDa:ghEgCda:fqrOKEfGBCa:ibcdea:pN8::w77-1::
>>128015585
Wouldnt that help if say, there is a dozer and you shoot him with your bronco/deagle/babbeagle/watever 357?
>He tries to pub DW
Dont do that to yourself anon I care about you
>>128016493
Trigger Happy is a crutch. Die Hard Aced is a superior pick (especially over Underdog Aced).
What does Trigger Happy have anything to do with shooting a dozer with the pistol? Don't let the dozer shoot you while you shoot him. Not so hard.
>>128016493
HE Judge.
Your akimbo won't do shit against shields.
>>128016658
>He can't carry pubs with le balanced mosconi
>>128016658
it can workout pretty well if you have lobby player info and avoid shitters judging by their bulids
>>127984375
>>128005703
Meant to get this to you sooner...
>>128016658
I pub'ed Overdrill yesterday, I had a friend with me but, I did have to carry it to a certain extent and 3/4 had Inspire, it was mostly about people not taking enough initiative, they wanted to remain in the guards room.
>>128016973
That is DW viable? Can I see your build?
>>128016658
Maybe you're too shit to solo carry them kicking and screaming.
git gud
Who wants to heist
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mohIjEFGBDa:ekHIEgDa:teDa:ghiECda:fRKmJEGCDa:ibcdea:pO8::w71-2-5:s9-20-3-21:a3
How's my cowboy build, fampais?
>>128017687
I want to heist later today
>>128017286
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/eqokLHIEfgDa:tda:gKhIEgCDa:fqroKHieGBCda:ibcdea:pN8::w36-6-3-5:s49-2:a1
You can save two points and get basic endurance if you really want it, but you never really need it.
Grinder isn't as strong in DW, but it still does the job and allows you to bring something actually useful for your crew instead of 14 fak, you also won't have to run around the map like a moron to pick up ammo drops. You can skip Nine Lives aced if you don't like it (it's actually secret OP, I swear) and get dominator instead.
I use flechettes on the mosco. First because they allow you to actually shoot thing past 10 meters but you can also pierce tans. When you proc overkill, you can oneshot DW tans with a bodyshot.
>>128017912
I guess I'll be in the chat
>>128017196
I don't really care about builds in pubs. Just don't be a retard and actually be objective focused.
80% of the that's enough to succeed any map on any difficulty
>>128020041
When people have retared bulids and retarted perk decks there's a high chance they'll be retarted
I can't try it out right now, so I'm hoping that someone has some experience with this. Would the micro uzi work well with lb? I usually use the macaroni and deagle/beagle/bronco, depending on the situation. Considering the ammo pool, fire rate, great handling, and crit chance it should result in a lot of dead cops in a short amount of time, right? It would also save me some points that would normally go into gunslinger.
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mSnlHiJeFGbCDa:eokHIjEFgDa:gjECa:fomiJEFGCda:ibcdea:pN8::w36-2:s90-10-17:a1
>>128017269
>that black hideous dildo grip,
Sometimes, you really have to suffer to be good.
Is stability and accuracy a myth for the saw ?
>>128020429
I had a silent killer sniper with bugler deck last night in a DW Rats who more than carried his weight. Just saying skill transcends all, but yes most pubs are retards.
>>128020554
It would but some extra securities would be really nice like putting its damage to 40 so it kill tans units on two headshot for Overkill and buffing its concealment to the limits so you can maybe take another melee weapon or mods for your primary if you decide to replace your Moscovici.
>>128018442
Well I was about to remove nine lives but, what the hell I never tried it aced (because 30% seems shit and Inspire gives me already enough problems with a 75%) so I will.
I just wonder, why the mosconi with flechettes?
>>128017269
>88 acc
>100 stability
>being able to give to the Deagle Akimbos the ammo pool of the AK 7.62 with on top a 75% ammo pick up bonus,
Fugforcer builds truly were a mistake.
>>128021872
>27 concealment without any stat boost
>nearly 200 damage with flechettes + shotgun damage skill bonus
And that's without procing Overkill or crits. The reloading time is short enough to keep it proc'd indefinitely. With Overkill proc'd, a single headshot is enough to kill DW tazers and cloakers. Its only downside is the shit range once modded.
Still, the mosconi is by far the strongest weapon in the game right now. People bitching about make me laugh.
>>128023218
Your build would be shit if grinder didn't exist.
>>128023315
about the Krinkov*
>>128023359
>Take fak in the fug tree
>Use rogue instead
>???
>Profit
>>128020725
Just pony up a few cents like a good goy. ;)
>>128023467
>run out of ammo
>>128023604
Then it's a blue dildo.
>>128024010
>Ace fully loaded
>>128024226
>wasting 8 points that need to go elsewhere.
Stop pretending half the shit in this game isn't only viable because grinder is broken.
>>128023604
You can go right to hell overkill
I bought keys to crates for TF2 years ago, never again
>>128023604
Piss off Almir, Stat boosts are free now.
Stats boosted skins a useless now.
>>128024010
Back in my days we had AMR-16 with 90 ammo and 46 damage, and we pulled through anything DW could throw at us.
Run out of ammo, pfeh.
>>128024572
And how is that image related to what you said?
>>128024764
It isnt, call the cops
Why does it take year and a half to join a game right after you launch payday
>>128024749
>a shitload of better primaries by the time DW was even an option.
>>128025023
Why is it that when payday updates it has to sit at 100 percent for a while
>>128025052
>perfect 46/18/25
>everything else is either inaccurate or has a 40 for damage
the only thing that came close was CAR-4 and I didn't have the DLC until Crimefest came around.
>>128025321
>everyone forgot about the 63 damage-18 accuracy-25 stability of the AK 7.62,
Having studied on the meta for months only to see everything disappear in a single update is really suffering.
Just started playing this week, I REALLY like the Grinder deck but I tried Deathwish and was getting mashed pretty bad
Is Grinder viable in DW or do you take too much burst?
>>128026960
you can do it if you get out of the mindset grinder gives you
it teaches you to act like a fucking retard and just run into fire
>>128026923
Pretty sure you couldn't go anywhere near 25 unskilled.
>>128026923
>months
>>128026960
>Just started playing this week
>Go ruins other people's DW games
Why is the 30% damage boost from silent killer considered such a noob trap?
Nothing about it seems terrible even if it just the 15% basic to close out a full build
>>128027787
>hey you know that this is overkill/Deathwish
>I dont know what it means I started playing today XD
I HAD IT AT LEAST TWICE.
>>128026960
The key into playing DW is staying in cover and not acting dumb, what you can handle on Ovk will fuck you up instantly on this difficulty.
You can also take the fugitive and ghost dodge skills to buff your defense, just in case. It can make a difference sometimes, especially when meeting a black dozer or a sniper.
>>128025231
The game is basically sitting in one big-ass nested zip file.
The updater has to unpack the whole thing, put in the updated files, then repack the whole thing.
If your hard drive has slow throughput and your CPU is shit, it will take fucking forever.
>>128028556
Because you're wasting 12 points into the Ghost tree (aka. at least 30 total) to make your shit suppressors viable instead of putting them into real useful skills in other trees.
>>128028556
Because people will believe the damage buff can make an extreme difference while it doesn't help to reach new breakpoints sometimes, making your heavy investment quite useless in some cases.
Haven't played since kikefest 2, is weapon balance still fucked with railgun pistols and BB-gun assault rifles? Are the snipers still seperated into 3 shitty tiersI miss my rape tier WA2000
I'm not sure if I can go back if akimbo bernettis are steal dealing way more than a locomotive and I was a fucking pistolfag
>>128028956
Don't join OVK lobbies until you're infamy.
Don't join DW lobbies until you're at least Infamy V.
Shitters like you are the reason why we have to use auto-kick mods.
>>128029382
Well obviously people need to do the math to see if it worth it, but with harder hitting primary like AR's and snipers (even some shotties)it seems like the best way to get the most, bang ( or lack there of) for your buck.
>>128029269
There are 30 points worth of useful things in the ghost tree. Seems hyperbolic rhetoric to write the entire tree completely off
>>128029579
Shotgun's damage were buffed so they're quite decent and fun with the enforcer's skills and most AR got a +8 accuracy. You'll still need to apply a shotload of weapon mods to make their accuracy/stability decent but things are okay now.
Also the stats boosts from the weapons skins are now free and drop like regular weapon mods so that offers new possibilities for modding.
>playing Nightclub without c4 or lockpicking skills,
Do you like to hurt yourselves ?
>>128031109
>playing Nightclub
>tfw 1 mod away from perfection
>it doesn't even have a boost on it
>>128029773
I am not the guy playing this week I was just quoting what I had witnessed.
>>128031494
>patterns on silencers,
This shouldn't that cool.
>>128030120
For the Mosconi, I've been running inspire, enforcer up to the 50% reload speed, and basic low blow/sneaky bastard. Five points in ghost, of course.
Works pretty well on overkill, but for moving into deathwish, do I need to give up one of the trees? Don't know if Mosconi without the Overkill skill hits deathwish breakpoints. Any recommendations on what to give up?
>>128031494
Well anon, stats and skill all, I am rather jelly.
>>128031876
Give up inspire. Everyone already has inspire on DW.
>>128031876
It's hard to mix all the shotgun's skills on a Masterfug build. You have two main choices: either you go full fugforcer and take Overkill basic so you don't have to worry about the damage you're dealing or you go full Masterforcer and take the ICTV with the Muscle Perk deck and Hostage taker aced in order to keep a good defense and Overkill basic.
In any case, you should spent at least 9 points in ghost: 4 for sprinter aced, 4 for Fast Hands aced and one for shinobi basic.
>>127977176
I got the Heart Breaker skin in a Completely OVERSHILL Pack safe and have been using it ever since. I find it to be pretty good, but that's because I have no one to do Death Wish with so I've resigned to a life of doing OVK heists with Silent Killer on.
>>128029901
There's 10-12 useful points in the first four tiers of the ghost tree. Not 30.
You know looking at a payday general is like watching someone fuck a dead cow. You cant help but stop and watch the shit all while asking yourself why are they fucking that dead cow? It has been dead for years and is half decomposed already. There is not even any blood left to use as lube but there they are back sticking their dick in it all dry the whole while screaming about how shitty this dead cow that they are fucking is every day. Is this some sort of performance art thing where they literally torture themselves each day because they fucked the cow once and are forever now known as "Cow Fucker" or maybe they are fucking the cow over and over again because of some distant pleasant memory they maybe once had maybe? Or maybe they are fucking the cow because someone told them to not fuck the cow or they had only $5 and a decent whore is $20. Still it is all fascinating to watch for a completely depressing point of view.
>>128031494
Too bad the ammo is still shit.
I also can't imagine how shitty your build is to have achieved this
>>128034190
You know looking at that one lonely autistic payday general shitposter is like watching someone fuck a dead cow. You cant help but stop and watch the shit all while asking yourself why are they fucking that dead cow? It has been dead for years and is half decomposed already. There is not even any blood left to use as lube but there they are back sticking their dick in it all dry the whole while screaming about how shitty this dead cow that they are fucking is every day. Is this some sort of performance art thing where they literally torture themselves each day because they fucked the cow once and are forever now known as "Cow Fucker" or maybe they are fucking the cow over and over again because of some distant pleasant memory they maybe once had maybe? Or maybe they are fucking the cow because someone told them to not fuck the cow or they had only $5 and a decent whore is $20. Still it is all fascinating to watch for a completely depressing point of view.
>>128034594
You know looking at that one lonely autistic payday general shitposter posting post poster posting post post posts posty post is like watching someone fuck a dead cow. You cant help but stop and watch the shit all while asking yourself why are they fucking that dead cow? It has been dead for years and is half decomposed already. There is not even any blood left to use as lube but there they are back sticking their dick in it all dry the whole while screaming about how shitty this dead cow that they are fucking is every day. Is this some sort of performance art thing where they literally torture themselves each day because they fucked the cow once and are forever now known as "Cow Fucker" or maybe they are fucking the cow over and over again because of some distant pleasant memory they maybe once had maybe? Or maybe they are fucking the cow because someone told them to not fuck the cow or they had only $5 and a decent whore is $20. Still it is all fascinating to watch for a completely depressing point of view.
http://forums.lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=14970
why can't I see this mod
>Think about going past infamy 10
>Realize theres no real benefit other than some masks which arent great
>>128036103
>not already 25
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>>128036103
>not being XXV-100
hello newfag
>>128034226
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mhijGbcDa:eklHIjEFgcDa:tegbDa:gPKMHIEfgCda:fEbDa:pg0N8::w19-29-20-36-14-38-2-35:s49-19-2-6-26:a3
Still very much a work in progress but feel free to mock away
>>128037689
What really strikes me is using the eagle with a judge while you could be using a deagle with a gl40 or something like that
>>128038093
Eh, as a special buster and "oh shit!" safety.
>>128038093
>using meme weapons
>>128037689
why would you ace the profesional? also if you remove the professional you can get overkill and aced ammobags http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mhijGbcDa:eqkLHIjEFgcDa:tegbDa:gKMHIEfgCda:fEbDa:pg0N8::w19-29-20-36-14-38-2-35:s49-19-2-6-26:a3
>>128036998
>>128037360
I stopped playing for a few months and since I started again I havent bothered to get past X-100
>>128032861
Will test both. Thanks bud
>>128038630
Accuracy and armor pen. seemed like a good choice. I still don't know if I'll ace 9 lives or ammobags yet.
>>128038630
muh armor penetration
I can't kill tans without bodyshots.
>>128032861
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mSNHJEfGBcDa:eqrokLHIjEFDa:ghECa:fEDa:ibcdea:pM8::w41-22-35-14-43-7-12-8-44-39:s49-2-7-10:a7
this is usually what im running on DW for shotgun builds, its not perfect nor great but i find myself doing pretty decently with it because of muscle and without hostage taker
>>128036103
Exp bonus for future perk decks.
>>128041648
Huh, never thought about that
>>128041307
>Killmer aced
>Only uses shotguns
I'm puking.
>B-but I can RUN AND RELOAD at the same time
Yeah, definitely worth the 12 points investment.
>This is the kind of people who shits on Nine Lives aced
>>128041648
>not having a reserve of xp thanks not putting points into the shit decks
>>128041048
It was more for the accuracy than the armor pen.
>>128031494
As stated in my original post. Without it aced I won't make 100 (granted I'm not there anyway because I still, unfortunately, haven't unlocked the long barrel)
>>128041829 well what would you take in its place?
