/kspg/ 2016 edition
now with more love
>Can the game be considered a full release?
No, for all intents and purposes, KSP should be considered still in early access state. The game is nowhere near being able to stand on its own legs both from a gameplay perspective (career mode is definitely not ready and balanced) and a stability perspective. There are still major bugs and memory leaks that shouldn't exist on a finished game.
>Are there big issues with the game?
Bugs and instability are still real and frequent problems, as with every product still in beta. Ask in thread for details.
>What are the devs doing?
Modified versions of popular mods are being included in the stock game while the game engine is being upgraded to its latest version. The next major update (1.1) is supposedly going to bring a complete overhaul of the GUI, be 64bit friendly, have a refined physics/heating/aero model and generally perform better. An external team with heavily questionable experience (Flying Tiger Entertainment) is being tasked with porting the game to PS4, XboxOne and Wii U. They seem to be rushing for an imminent deadline and they are also working on a version of the game that will be obsolete in a few weeks/months.
>Should I buy the game?
KSP is very enjoyable at first, then it usually needs to be modded to retain some sort of longevity, but doing so may dramatically increase the instability of the game. You will be very familiar with the word "Oops!". The Developers, Squad, have shown many times that they can't handle the project and are trying to squeeze all the money they can with the least amount of effort and with controversial PR tactics. The general consensus at /kspg/ is that you should torrent the game, not because the game itself is unplayable, but because most of us agree that Squad does not deserve your money.
>What can I do to turn the tables ?
Write your critique and feedbacks into the /KSPG/ official collaborative document. See: ow.ly (slash) WrnTt
>>127521978 (OP)
Trailer:
https://videopress.com/v/vMIOxbBA
Dev Stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhVA84YNO14
/kspg/'s (outdated) modlist and FAQ:
http://pastebin.com/vrFCBFYk
NEW MODLIST. Old FAQ is still retained above.
http://pastebin.com/vM6CE7YJ
>Game site
http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/
>KSP mods
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/forum/34-add-on-releases/
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/forum/36-add-on-development/
http://kerbalstuff.com/
>Flags
http://imgur.com/a/lIHNS#0
>Party-approved rendezvous and docking tutorials
http://imgur.com/a/S3Qxf
http://i.imgur.com/PBuWyVx.jpg
>Some useful calculators
http://alterbaron.github.io/ksp_aerocalc/
http://ksp.olex.biz/
>Official forum
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/
>Hotkeys for operating your craft that are never mentioned anywhere else.
http://pastebin.com/vLmE1QbY
>Official /kspg/ fan fiction
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10607988/1/Structural-Failure
http://pastebin.com/HK7Qd6if
>List of IRL launches.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/tracking/index.html
>View from the ISS:
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/
>Race Into Space
http://www.raceintospace.org
>Original BARIS for DOSBox scaling and filters and shit
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/183/Buzz+Aldrins+Race+into+Space.html
BARIS, Orbiter, Space Engine, OpenTTD, Take On Mars, Project CARS, ULA posting, TRUMP 2016, and planes are also welcome ITT.
Today we end the Socio's grip on this general.
Kerbal is not fun
Squad sends people here to disrupt consensus
Space has Karma too
Reminder to not talk about attention whores, do not reply to their posts, even if you want to insult them, do not reply to people talking about them, do not ask who they are, filter their tripcodes, do not acknowledge their presence in any way, and assume every mention of them is their own attempt at gathering attention.
common topics used by attention whores:
- general consensus
- shills of all kinds (euroshills, purchaseshills, squadshills etc)
- burning squadcast
- obsession with maxmaps
- narrative
- an incredible tendency to shift attention away from critiques
- extremely anal about single words in the OP
- anything about New York
dude burn squadcast lmao
>>127784552
lol ikr burn squadcast6PM TODAY EST KSPTV
>>127784206
PARANOIA
A
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>740 posts
>80 IPs
kspg in a nutshell
>>127785010
>9 posts per person
seems pretty reasonable to me. What's your angry anon argument?
>>127785010
Roll call, faggots.
http://strawpoll.me/6474373
>>127783819
Good job quoting the wrong OP you turbotard
>>127784896
Should have added "misusing words" in the list
I fucked up my fonts somehow, anyone know how to fix it or what could cause it?
>>127785362
Thanks angry nothing-adder what do you want to discuss today?
Did everyone see this? It's like Exploding buildings butuseful and neat and desired by the userbase
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/129410-105-kerbal-krash-system/
>>127785586
Read the fuckingnobody cares.
>>127785695
I for one would like more pictures because somehow it seems like the font just returned to its natural form and its funny
>>127785586
Moar pls, is it limited to in game tweakables? What about planetary info, tracking station, contracts, part tooltips, main menu, game select, etc?
oh btw REMINDER CAREER/SANDBOX IS A FALSE PARADIGM
>>127785654
>had one job
>fucks up that job
>calls others nothing adders for pointing out said fuckup
The irony is strong here
>>127785586
Looks fine to me.
It's probably just an onset of having degenerative alexia.
churn buttercast
Mexicans.
http://www.topgear.com/videos/richard-hammond/richard-drives-mastretta-mxt-series-19-episode-4
>>127785849
Its on all parts right-click info-panels and in this info window. Everything else that has a different font seems fine.
>>127786152
I SAID
>>irony
I'm not quite done teaching you the full meaning of that concept anon. Strap yourself in.
>>127785943
Super duper cute!!
Space is fun
Kerbal is fun
Squad is fun
>>127783618
Fix your section of the doc you mongoloid
>>127788974
I'm working on it. I almost have it all figured out.
Did you see my turkeypost? He's gonna get a desired format to us.Frankly now that I've found the thread of my argument I'm thinking about making my own doc
>>127789398
Walnuts are italian cuisine?
>>127789398
>walnuts
>Did you see my turkeypost? He's gonna get a desired format to us.
Nope, I missed that
dude walnuts lmao
>>127789398
>box wine and the word 'finest' in the same post
>>127789647
What does an ingredient have to do with where the whole dish is typically cooked?
>>127790153
>not slapping the bag for optimal imbibing
is it normally this many asteroids?
>you don't gather hazelnuts in a haze
>you don't pick walnuts out of a wall
>you don't pluck chestnusts out of chests
anglos are retarded famiglia
>>127790236
what the fuck anon
>>127790228
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Slap+the+Bag
>>127790826
i automatically resent any recipe that requires me to chop onionsdid you put the onion in the freezer for a few minutes before cutting it?
>>127790828
snek will grow larger
>>127790828
It no longer sleeps for fear its sliver of power might be superseded by a bunch of shitposters it trained to ban evade thanks to its incompetent interpretation of janitorial standards.
it has lost years of its life
it has grown old
it has grown weary
it has grown bitter
it loses itshealth
it loses itsfamily
it loses itshumanity
it loses itswill to live
>>127791007
Nope, I use the fan on top of the stove to suck most of the onion fumes away from my eyes.
It..kinda works
>>127790236
That looks like a lot.
>>127789937
>getting used pets
Just go find yourself a breeder.
It's not like any shelter is going to approve you anyway. You need at least to be at home 24/7 and have a ten digit salary before they'll even consider you.
>>127791515
putting it in the freezer for 15 minutes before cutting it will cut down on the fumes
ive tried it and it does work, but some fumes are still there. i would say its about a 75% decrease in severity
>>127791515
olive oil on the knife before you start cutting works for me
>>127791994
havent heard that one beforekerbal cooking techniques general
>>127792172
I'm a fan of Squadcast Flambé
IN THREE HOURS
>>127793628
>multigrain
BURN RICECAST
>>127793916
What do you mean by multi grain?
There is rice and onion in there
>>127794046
oh thank god
>tfw no qt satchie waifu to cook for me
>>127795429
How do you afford all that food? I thought Italy was doing the austerity thing.
>>127795429
When do I put the GPU in?
>>127795429
>pay attention
follow your own advice and don't burn it this time
>>127789937
Get a cat that isn't neutered
>>127795645
Rice and onions are not exactly expensive
>>127795653
It's in the oven
>>127795804
I'll try my best
>>127789937
u-used..?
>>127796208
meant for
>>127791616
>>127797141
You should jack him off
>>127797185
thanks for thekerbal simmering procedure generaland i mean that honestly
>>127783618
link to previous thread please ?
>tfw no sexy satchie gf
All I wanted was to hawe fun.
Seriously dude, that advice about acting like a girl is gold.
>>127797778
Well..it's been fun while it lasted..the fun police arrived
>>127798325
>>127521978
We definitely need the previous thread in any new OP.
Also what's the deal with archives ? Why the previous thread is still available on 4chan ? How long does it take to vanish completely ?
>tfw no skanky fuckfriend
>>127800190
Why would you want that?
>>127788345
>>127788535
>>127788713
>>127789398
>>127789937
>>127790826
>>127790828
>>127791615
>>127792221
>>127793628
>>127795429
>>127796932
>>127797141
>>127797185
>>127797797
Reminder the janitor is on Squad payroll and is trying to personally and permanently beat general sponsored shitposting. Also he hates spiders. Post arachnids.
>>102169213
>>102169213
>>102169213>>127799927
Thanks bro
>We have a few generals that hate their developers. The problem with this one is that people got so focused on getting mad at max and squad that it became self destructive. People who liked it left and only the shitposters remained. For a time it merged with other generals but when it separated again it seems we inherited the shitposters.
>Now that people are picking up the game and making their own opinions, things are in a favorable position to change and maybe we can end the shitposters grip on this general and the people who actually want to talk about the game will have a place to do it without the amount of shitposters that settled here>>127799476
Thanks... dude.
>>127802308
"thanks bro" was a misclick. who's got time to edit posts when there's shitposting to be done
Delete thisSo I can confirm I've found your trigger.
ded
>>127804929
>>127804545
>>127804298
>memeing this hard
The hells going on in here?
>>127808205
the shitposter got mad, it happens every day.
>>127808678
Not as comfy as sleeping together with a cat while cuddling tbqh
BURN SQUADCASS
4D MINUTES
burn burn burn
I'm tired of foods that scratch up the roof of my mouth
Really fucking tired of them
>>127809056
"The" shitposter? I'm not so sure you know where you are. Maybe try reddit.
No, I meant all the mass deletions, is our freeman back?
>>127810108
I'm back.
>>127810016
Like what? I can't remember the last time that happened.
>>127810108
yes and spiders trigger him HARD
>>127810292
negative nothing adding shill posting is no longer allowed please leave
>>127810357
Pizza
Chips
Hard-shell tacos
Bacon
Raisin Bran and Captain Crunch and probably a number of other different cereals
Dry-ish burgers from BK
Fucking sick of all this shit fucking up my mouth
>>127810108
max, please...
>>127810285
you know he gave out the trioxide password right?
>>127810873
I think your oral hygiene is at fault. I don't have those problems. Remember:
>last meal/drink (except water)
>wait 45+ minutes
>brush teeth
>wait 30 minutes
>floss, then use non-alcoholic mouthwash
That should take care of it.
>>127811145
>brush teeth
Yeah, that's probably a good idea
>tfw no stern-faced Russian bf
why ;_;
the fire rises, anons.
Honestly, I know Max is a twat and Squad don't know what they're doing, but I've been playing 0.9 now with about 32 mods and it's a beautiful game. Granted they could have done a lot better, but it's still fun.
>>127812410
>clipped solar panels
delete this
>>127812410
0.9 and 0.90 are two completely different updates
Version numbers are not decimals, they do not work like decimals, they aren't a fraction representing how much of the game is done, even if that's what Max seemed to think
Please use drain cleaner on your throat
>>127813898
Inferior to cats
Can't even be cuddled with
STAND DOWN
I REPEAT
STAND DOWNSQUADCAST DELAYED UNTIL 0000 UTC/1900 EST
>>127814669
Like anyone was standing up to begin with
>>127814802
I was mr negative nothing adder
>>127814802
t. squadcucks
>>127810908
Heh, I've never been called max, that's kinda funny.
>>127815401
Here we go boys! Shillposting beginning now!
Know your enemy, /kspg/.
>>127815401
your plane a shit
>>127815401
>>127815676
I need more, feed me more.
To this day, Max will still insist that Hugo's parts aren't complete 100% garbage and that he wasn't just some random Mexican picked off of the street
>>127812410
Max is not a twat, shill, Max exhibits classic signs of sociopathy and should be in a box.
>>127815885
He's "pretty talented" -- and he shares a lot of training and experience with Badie, Max's other hire.
>>127816209
Anon, has it ever occurred to you these might be different people, this might be a losing battle, that you have no soul, personality or reason to post here and perhaps you are beginning to develop schizophrenia?
It was proven there's another New York anon here, remember?
>>127815843
do you even intake spam
>>127816398
I hope you enjoyed the extra 10 meters the last thirty intakes got you.Because either way, your time here is coming to an end.If you like KSP so much, why don't you go post on the subreddit or the forums?
>>127816774
What if I told youthat I'm shitposting
>>127816392
>It was proven
okay what anon is going ham in the squadcast chat good on ya bruv
>>127816398
>implying intake spam was even needed pre-1.0
Just learn to milk the engines mang
>>127817858
Fix the server
>>127817309
Please refer to it by its proper name, .27
.27.0.5 sucks so far.
.28 never.
>>127816392
Multiple people have been posting it you fucking paranoid bipolar freak.
>>127818695
>paranoid bipolar freak
Try not to project too hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnUqncXz5xM
>>127818942
Except that it it's completely true you idiot. Get the fuck off /kspg/.
SQUADCAST STARTING NOW
Everyone should just cuddle with a cat
>>127819307
I wish I had a cat :(
>>127819475
I'm not janny, and the fact that you instantly turned to thinking I'm him and how adamantly you falsely believe that there is only one samefag against you shows how alarmingly mentally unstable you are. Is this how you behave in real life too? Is that why you have no friends? Is that why you refuse to leave this place since even on the internet you're unable to make friends or even be remotely likable? Why haven't you gotten mental help yet?
squadcast is ontime to shill for janny
>>127819417
Sometimes when I'm cuddling with my cat I look at the arguments going on on the screen and see the pointlessness of it all
I wish people here would do the same
Is "mentally unstable" hyphenated?
>>127818360
perfect
>>127820749
You're forgetting about the one time he "spread Max's lies" by randomly posting that album of that anon purporting to be maxmaps and in the process made the entirety of /kspg/ look even more like autistic idiots with no capability of having sane discussions.
>>127821004
>You are so angry one could power a city off your assblastedness level.
>implying he's the only one mad at your turboautism
>>127821004
thanks for raging at squad you're doing god's work, criticism_breeds_strength
>>127821415
wahhhh samefag
>>127821467
OH MY GOD, OUT LOUD???
REALLY??? LIKE, WITH HIS VOICE??
HOLY FUCK YOU ARE SUCH A BADASS!!
KEEP ANNIHILATING THEM BRO!
>>127785654
>nothing-adder
>>127810597
>negative nothing adding
>>127814941
>negative nothing adder
>>127820138
>>adding nothing [...] negative
>>127821004
>negative nothing add
>>127821467
>Negative nothing adds
>>127821995
Ok MAN
Lmao squadcast sure is burning right now
>>127822558
Holy fuck.
>>127822813
>>>/reddit/
>>127822558
>thinking you're this important
>thinking we care at all about your trash
Fuck off. Have you gotten a therapist yet?
>>127820054
Holy shit, guys check it out, it's >angry anon: the post
>>127823489
Except that this is more or less what the entire general thinks of MAN.
And wow, squadcast sure is flaming from you asking what company's making the ports
>>127823654
Please report me back everything the loser says and how many people give a single shit
>console version
SQUUAAAAAAAD
>>127823654
Whoa dog, I ain't man, just pointing out that you share all the traits of Angry Anon....
>>127823924
Ok MAN
>>127823924
Shit, didn't mean to say "you" in my post, just pretend it says "MAN".
And yes, I'm mad at that faggot because he keeps staying and ruining the entire general and its reputation.
>>127823924
OK MAN
>>127823994
>>127824040
>>127824070
Guess we're being raided then, I dunno. I've never once acted like man.
My original question still stands; what the hell is going on in here?
>>127824994
I'm busy cooking for my qt bf
If I point out that squadcast did indeed burn deep and long and hard, will that be relevant to kerbal enough?
>cheese still not melting
Fugggg :D
This planet mod is neat.
>>127826543
You are supposed to grate the cheese with the eggs (and cream if you want) and whisk the shit out of the sauce BEFORE pouring it on the pasta.
The sauce should be already nice and smooth when you put it in the pan, no waiting for anything to melt
>turkey has a gf
oh shit
>>127826802
Lies
He has no life
>>127826471
But you would be lying ;^)
>>127826745
I do, I crack the eggs into a bowl and stir it together with the cheese. The cheese is just really shitty and doesn't melt at all
>>127827192
You should grate it finer (or really buy other cheese), the finer the better.
>>127827457
It was already grated. Probably dried it out too much
console “not too far behind PC version”
>merch will delay
>certification
>they’re two separate processes
>implies FT will continue to develop it.
>reads out loud a question about KSP having a diminishing revenue stream
>ask if people are interested in KSP2, actually addresses fixing some inevitable problems coming up
>says a shitton of shit they weren’t supposed to say, according to Kasper
Too bad they’re not gonna upload that one. I should have capped it.
Streamer that was hosting with them is so uncomfortable now. Keeps talking about “how warm it is in here”
Squadcast burned. Also hullo
>>127827940
Are you sure it was cheese at all?
>>127829072
in fact this was probably overkill on my part, and I need to go into low-posting mode for a few days/weeks, I guess I'll
>see you on the other sideI'll fix my section thoGodspeed, /kspg/pre-emptive fuckoff shills
>>127829918
>>127829072
>question about KSP having a diminishing revenue stream
Do you have a screenshot of this?
my hullo is weak today ;^(
https://faces.ethz.ch/
>>127831757
>>127831757
Seems about right
How old is Max, again?
>>127832503
I don't even know how it's possible for someone to be that ugly
>>127832757
Who knows
just...
>>127831757
This is fun
>mfw I just now found out that there's a nuke mod for KSP
>but since there's nothing to destroy it's only useful for autistic role players
>the explosion doesn't even look that good
>>127835352
This one?
https://kerbalstuff.com/mod/1087/North%20Kerbin%20Dynamics%20-%20Heavy%20Ordinance%20Pack%20(and%20other%20things)
>>127835742
That's the one.
>>127835772
Trying to get the range right for the Tsar Bomba triggered my autism.
>>127829649
Yeah, the kind that comes in a little plastic container. It was definitely shredded cheese, it was just real bad cheese
>>127834161
Looks like it's bullshit. It said baccy isn't godlike.
>>127837173
It missed his hair.
>10
>>127843509
>no reverting flights in case of :^)
Into the trash it goes
literally retarded
>>127844147
>same image
You can shitpost better than that
>>127844147
>no sliders for planet size and distances
>>127844338
>sliders for planet size and distances
this strikes me as exceedingly unusable without any type of reference scale. Maybe if "Earth" was on the right and "Kerbin" was on the left, but even then, a stretch.lel
>>127844559
No fuck that, that would requireproceduralterrain that doesn't make sense.
RSS is already done. Just stockify it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnBXURBKug
no commentUnity not us :^)
>>127845864unityisus
>>83849523
>being this mad about replying to old posts
>>127849440
>replying to 1 year and 80 day old posts
I think I might do a snakestream tomorrow
It would be nice if we could get Dr turkey to visit so we can talk to him
>>127851937
It's just a matter of time.
We're gonna get him to play RSS
ded
http://strawpoll.me/6479041
http://strawpoll.me/6400000/
http://strawpoll.me/6436664/
goodnight /kspg/
/r/catastrophicfailure
>squadcast
:3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_orOT3Prwg
Meanwhile at FT studios
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PLnInsh7E
Goodnight Proton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqW0LEcTAYg
Does anyone here have a good link for a torrent of the game?
>>127867368
Try this
http://bittorrent-am.com/download-torrent/10866885/Kerbal-Space-Program-1.0.5.html#
>>127867821
Thanks anon!
Hullo.
>>127862507
>instant boner
>>127826708
which one is it ?
>>127862507
Silly engine.
ded
>>127788360
Seriously, is there anyone not playing with BD armory right now?
It encapsulates everything that KSP was supposed to be.
Build shit. Blow ship up. Explore.
>>127818176
>15 people voted
>14 people disagree
Wow, so representative of everyone.
Friendly reminder that there are (or were) literally 3 (three) something-adders in this thread and neither Max nor the autist are one of them.
Save your attention for the people that deserve it or even your pet.
>tfw no qt satchie gf to shitpost with
>>127878737
dude satch lmao
>>127878550
Name them
>>127879418
Artyom
PDC
Hooj
Yo, openTTD anon
I'm going to give it a spin, which version would you suggest? Any necessary patches?
>>127864773
those things are fucking sturdy mam
>>127879728
Hooj left with Mirk.
Artyom posts less than once a month.
Let's make a list of things that add nothing.
I'll start:
drama
blogging
squadcast hosting
squadcast burning
metaposting
compiling lists of things that add nothing
>>127880471
Well meme'd friendo! Have another upboat!
dude meme lmao
Tharsis
>>127879728
PDC stands for?
>>127879841
The latest stock version works fine if you only stick to NewGRFs.
For patches you might want to check their forum threads because they usually take longer to update than GRFs
If you are already familiar with the stock game and want something a bit more difficult, try this pack
http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=66892
The last patch version (2.3.209) is probably still in beta and has some troubles with certain NewGRFs, use the other one (2.2.182) which is what I'm currently using and it works perfectly.
Anyway, if you are a first timer, stick to the vanilla game for at least the first run so you get to know the basics.
The only GRFs that you should absolutely download from the ingame browser is FIRS, which changes how industries work.
>>127881196
PDCWolf
>>127881524
I remember when infra sharing was a thing (in it's own separate buggy desynced build of the game). those were the days.
>>127878550
Good morning angry anon!
>>127882554
>angry anon
The opposite is true.
>>127882205
I never play online but infra sharing is a full (I guess working) feature now.
Last time I played online with random people it was full of shitters sabotaging each other
>>127882682
Fix your section you sperg
>>127883262
>I'll throw random memes at random people and see what sticks
Can you not.
>tfw cassini will be deorbited next year
>>127883882
If you spent some time fixing your section instead of complaining about memes, there would be no meme to complain about.
I never believed him about the shills until yesterday.
>>127885525
What happened yesterday?
Hey /kspg
Haven't played in some months, was about to ask if the game is playable now, but:
> The next major update (1.1) is supposedly going to bring a complete overhaul of the GUI, be 64bit friendly, have a refined physics/heating/aero model and generally perform better
> Modified versions of popular mods are being included in the stock game while the game engine is being upgraded to its latest version
whats your say?
>>127885660
They've been "entering experimentals" with 1.1 for over half a year.
Take a guess.
>>127885660
It's a good thing they are including their own version of popular mods.
The problem is "their own", and you probably already know the suberb ability of squad to screw up even the most basic things.
I don't remember the full list of new features they are going to put 1.1, but I remember one of them is a dumbed down version of Remote Tech with some pretty stupid options (like moons not blocking signals if one of them block your line of sight to kerbin).
As always, promising stuff that will inevitably turn out to be shit and will need at least one or two panic hotfixes because they have no idea how to test their own stuff
>>127887203
It cracked me up when .23 or whichever version it was shipped with the right-click bug.
Cute!
>>127887719
Honestly, the game got a lot better since .23, but the fact that it took 5 hotfixes to partially fix all the shit that was wrong with 1.0 says a lot on their ability to test and ship a good product.
Anyway, the game is awesome as always if you use mods, the stock game (especially career mode) is a total let down, even if it is way more enjoyable than when it was in .23
>>127887980
Needs more pepperand nutmeg
>>127888210
I dont have nutmeg
>>127888475
Shame on you
>>127888475
dude clean your kitchen
>>127888475
the spots on the stove dont come off. ive tried.
Behold, world's first single-person circlejerk.
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even play ksp
odd have a productive day
>>127889761ma ci sono già i nomi italiani nel gioco
also
>no trainsets
>>127891893
>>no trainsets
give me namesplease
>>127889576
