Embarrassing Vatniks Edition
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>What the fuck is this?
A general for all the realistic wargames out there that don't generate enough traffic to sustain their own generals.
>Old thread
>>125818973
>Attention grabbing search terms go here:
/wgg/, /fsg/, /mowg/, /mowassg/, /rtsg/, /ctag/, /dcsg/
>Example welcome games:
Wargame: Red Dragon
Combat Mission
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Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm
Graviteam Tactics
DCS: World
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Men of War
Falcon BMS
Command: Modern Air Naval Operations
Armored Brigade
Close Combat
Steel Beasts
Steel Panthers MBT
>Graviteam DLC:
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>Interesting history links:
Cold War military technology ads:
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/wgg/ misc Cold War literature:
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The Soviet Army: troops, organization & equipment
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USMC intelligence North Korea handbook:
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>Steamgroups:
/wgg/ old group
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/wgg/ new group
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Uralmod official group
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/wgg/ Men of War / Call to Arms Group
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/fsg/ group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flightsimgeneral
>Teamspeak server
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>Legacy Wargame General pasta and game-info repository:
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UvBiH3lrCFzLYnRzNzF49yVtaNHYLfi7dgMpNE517RM/
>>126163623
THREADLY DDR POST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWC_fcr6V-0
Second for Illiterate burgers.
Gonna carry over the vatnik vs burger debate and repost here;
>>126163180 #
It's your post I'm pulling the quotes from you utter retard. You keep flip flopping and changing what you say in each and every post.
But fine, let's assume you're just retarded bad at making your points and you understand how the guidance work. How the fuck can Shitora guess the frequency when it can be altered digitally? And again remember that you can from highest to lowest in the frequency range without passing the intermediate frequencies.
>>126164262
It's not so much about guessing the frequency as it is spoofing all of the frequencies repeatedly until through chance it's spoofed for long enough to cause a problem. Considering that frequency hops occur rapidly, simple statistics justifies the reasoning that at some point, a critical quantity of guidance disruption may occur.
>This is also assuming that the Shtora system does not overwhelm the TOW-2's Xenon lamp, thankyou comrade vatnik
>>126164197
Fifth for slavaboo reasoning is so simplistic only one junction is needed to express it completely
>>126164590
The problem here is that depending on the frequency range, chance of hitting the right frequency can be extremely low and only hold for the fraction of a second. If you work from say 20 KHz to 80 KHz you have tens of thousands of possible frequencies to work with. Change 500 times a second and even if you manage to chance right, the disturbance would be so minute that it won't affect the missile.
>>126164874
Go back to the start, and see who memed first
here's your (You)
>>126164948
Fair point. Probably wouldn't be effective outside of poor weather conditions.
>>126164948
Yeah, it's trivial to program the TOW's guidance system to ignore brief disruptions. Unless Shtora can somehow get lucky a hundred times in a row, it won't work
>>126164980
That chart really hit close to home didn't it
>>126164590
>that could be the best shot but having such a powerful IR source on your tank in the day of IR tracking missiles is such a scary thought that the Russians dropped the concept of IR jammers on the armata. If the Shtora can do it in time to evade missiles, I'd like to see additional data on.
>>126164874
>jar of pickles
Tempting, what do I get for shilling for America?
>>126165295
Here's your (You)
>>126165636
Any common IR trackers other than the Javelin in service?
>>126164874
The difference being that you don't do anything that isn't on the burger chart, while those you've argued with have tried to explain how science works.
good old
>I am being very predictable, therefor everyone else is too, disregard reality.
Which is of course also on the chart.
Threadly fuhrer Gleeson webm
>>126166191
>The difference being that you don't do anything that isn't on the burger chart, while those you've argued with have tried to explain how science works
The whole debate had two people talking about two different things.
>science is on my side
>>126166845
No it didn't, the "debate" was burger not understanding how Shtora works, and at the same time claiming that it just doesn't.
>>126166018
>Any common IR trackers other than the Javelin in service?
Many versions of the AGM-65 use IR tracker. That is one scary missile if you are a tank in the business of being alive. The Indian Nag missile is another with IR tracker. The biggest problem is that everyone, East or west use FLIR to designate and lock targets and that all night sights see IR. Trying to overpower IR guidance like the TOW might work in some instances but everyone will know what your're doing for miles around you. The Swedes have a much better solution with the ADAPTIV, if they can't see you they can't lock you up or guide a missile at you.
>>126166869
It was the vatnik who didn't understand how TOW guidance worked.
>>126166869
His explanations are a lot better reasoned and thorough. He also isn't the one spewing memes about the other side, so forgive me for taking him more seriously.
>>126166998
>start throwing out insults and derogatory terms
>other side answers in kind
>STOP INSULTING ME, I dindu nuffin
Literally right out of the Kremlin playbook.
>>126167168
>Quotes a post with no text.
Why do you have to project so hard against a blank post?
>>126167168
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>>126166869
To be fair, there has been a liberal use of words like vatnik, burger, retard and meme posting from all sides. Internet posting about things that probably are classified for civilians are truly a serious business.
my dad can beat up your dad
So how much energy would be required if you were to emit white noise across the entire frequency interval to drown the actual guidance signal
>>126167556
Depends on the weather conditions, sensitivity of the TOW guidance unit, noise rejection of the TOW guidance unit, and distance to target.
Posting info because educational material is fun.
>>126163765
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>>126167556
Given that a TOW is able to zip past a red hot burning tank and work even if you see the sun on the horizon though the tracker, quite a lot.
As explained in >>12616363 picking out specific wavelengths and ignoring noise is easy and has been so for years. It'S an easy mistake to make since we tend to think of trackers in terms of human eyes which are easily blinded.
>>126164197
>>126164262
>>126164590
>>126164874
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>>126164980
>>126165078
>>126165202
>>126165636
>>126166191
>>126166845
>>126166869
All of these quality posts by me :^)
>>126168223
>>126163631
Correct link
All these idiots arguing about the shtora, still haven't noticed that the shtora doesn't only use IR emmiters.
>>126169248
What else is going to stop an IR-guided missile? Vodka misters?
>>126168289
>>126164197 (You)
>>126164262
>>126164590 (You)
>>126164874
>>126164948
>>126164980 (You)
>>126165078 (You)
>>126165202
>>126165636
>>126166191
>>126166845
>>126166869
No.
>>126169605
Hard kill
like if you have the brains to type in shtora into google it's the first and 2nd results
>What ACTUALLY happens to a T90 getting attacked by an FGM148 Javelin. Enjoy your Shitora never even getting triggered because lamo20°elevation. Deploying an airbag just before the missile impacts would literally be more effective at halting penetration than your shtora.
>>126169849
>Video game
>In any way representative of real world performance
If you're going to troll, at least put some effort in.
>>126169838
First result was wikipedia, no mention of hard kill.
Second result was youtube video, also no mention of hard kill.
Are you sure you're not talking about Arena?
>>126169950
>Javelins
>actually used against tanks
pick one.
>>126170053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHJQ6lpkU-c
https://www.google.com/search?q=shtora&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
idiocy truly is a difficult sickness
>>126169950
>In any way representative of real world performance
In this case, yes.
>>126170064
Literally what it is designed for, what else do you think the tandem warhead is for?
>>126170443
>Literally what it is designed for, what else do you think the tandem warhead is for?
Actually used against a tank, the most it's been used against is trucks.
Stop shitposting and post VVS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQioO4CZ7z0
>>126170406
>>126170406
>idiocy truly is a difficult sickness
Ya, it is, because you seem to think shtora is hard kill, when it isn't, shtora is soft kill. Arena is the hard kill active defense of a T90.
The vid you linked is actually discussing arena and not shtora, learn Russian pleb. Listen carefully at ~24 seconds, the guy literally says arena, this can even be heard by clapper ears.
>>126170592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NnHO-KB_yw
NO
>>126170562
Javelin was used against Type69MBT and T55's, stop talking shit.
Javelin is designed to deal with Russian made tanks, since all the towelhead countries use those tanks, or tanks with designs more or less like Russian made tanks (such as Iran's Zulfiqar, which is basically an upgraded T72).
Spare yourself further humiliation and stop posting.
>>126170832
>Actually used against anything but towelheads without tanks.
>>126170832
>type 69
>t55
>Any other tank something as shit as a bmp1 can kill frontally
>relevant
pick one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOzvL3fdD0I
why no screw tanks.
Post cute trucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIFum2jfcM
>>126170892
BMP can kill an M1A2 given the chance, it is just never given the chance.
>>126170867
Iraq had tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovxz1_hPJKQ
Javelin showing a T72 who is boss, like I said, the thing was designed with these type of tanks specifically in mind.
The javelin vs T14 Armata is something that can be argued about, but kinda irrelevant as only Russia will have that tank and not be fielding them prior to 2016.
Again, stop humiliating yourselves, you are only showing how little you know about any of this.
Can any vatnik tell me how Shtora can even detect a TOW launch? TOW uses no laser guidance or any kind of beam giving away the position of the launcher. Unless there is a radar looking for missiles, the first ime they know they have been targeted is when their turret go past the treetops.
>>126171368
I think it uses a laser for a range finder to tell the missile where to go, but sends the info to the missile through a fiber optic wire, it cannot function without the laser part.
>>126171368
There isn't a detection method, per se. The discussion was whether or not the Shtora would have any effect, given the TOW launch was spotted.
>>126171328
BMP can kill an M1A2 frontally? nice meme.
Also, demonstration video with tank packed full of explosives =/= combat footage.
>>126171807
>BMP can kill an M1A2 frontally? nice meme.
Where did I say frontally? How am I expected to discuss anything with you, when you are basically discussing things with yourself by putting words in my mouth?
>>126171807
>Also, demonstration video with tank packed full of explosives =/= combat footage.
So you have gone from "Javelin has never been/can not be used against tanks" to admitting I am right, thanks.
>b-but in combat the T72 would detect and swivel to suppress!
but in combat javelin teams would operate in tandem
>b-but shtora!
T72 isn't fitted with shtora, nor is shtora design to counter top flight missiles
>b-but the T72 wouldn't be out in the open like that!
You mean to say the T72 can't be fielded anywhere near a javelin.
You must be some sort of masochist to enjoy being BTFO continuously.
>>126170795
YES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9xkxwSwJBs
>>126171807
>>126171368
>>126170867
>>126170892
Just as an addition, Arena is what would stop a javelin attack, not Shtora. However not ever single Russian MBT is equipped with Arena (let alone its exports to countries like Syria) and good luck finding numbers on the amount of Arena units available and how many are already fitted onto Russia's MBT's.
>>126172429
>You mean to say the T72 can't be fielded anywhere near a javelin
Guess that means the Abrams can't be fielded anywhere near a haji with a 30 year old ATGM either...
>>126171531
Nope, no laser needed. The missile strives to be in the center of the tracking reticle, guided through the wires. No emissions from the base station.
>>126172429
My post specifically stated BMP-1 frontal kills. Don't move the goalposts, then claim I've moved them.
>So you have gone from "Javelin has never been/can not be used against tanks" to admitting I am right, thanks.
I did not 'admit' you were correct. Did you know that explosives may be detonated remotely?
>smug b-but posting
Sorry, I'm not that retarded.
>>126173132
top kek.
>>126173053
>Arena
>doing shit against a top attack threat
Vatnik pls
What is the less autistic wargame?
I tried to play Combat Mission and Graviteam Tactics but I found too deep for me. I just want to have fun.
>>126173637
Close Combat is quite simple compared to the rest, it's a good start.
>>126173541
I am not vatnik, I have been assblasting vatnik in the previous thread, and now in this thread.
That being said, Arena is specifically equipped to deal with top attacks, it is basically "just" a doppler radar that detects incoming threats and then shoots out an explosive to detonate whatever is heading its way before it impacts. Thing is, like I said, not everything is equiped with it, and good luck finding numbers on it that are publicly available but not distributed by Russia's ministry of propaganda.
>>126173431
>My post specifically stated BMP-1 frontal kills. Don't move the goalposts, then claim I've moved them.
Not moving anything, just showing you that mentioning a BMP is completely irrelevant to the discussion about javelins. Saying "BMP can do X" is completely irrelevant to the discussion of what a javelin can do.
Your "argument" was basically a case of equating the javelin to the "shitty BMP", as in "pff, a BMP can do THAT" and in doing so dismissing the javelin's capabilities. Thing is a BMP's armament's offensive capabilities are outstanding.
Anyway, enough about the BMP.
A javelin is designed to take out tanks, it has taken out tanks and is shown to be perfectly capable of taking out the T72.
The main countermeasure currently equipped on SOME Russian MBT's that can deal with a javelin attack is the Arena hard kill system.
You'll have to wait for your T14 Armata and see what that comes equipped with slavboo.
I wonder why burgers feel the need to imply everyone is a nationalist russian.
>>126173637
Unity of command;
-Very friendly and easy to use UI
-Cheap(ish) @~20€ on steam
-Easy to pick up, no complicated mechanics...
-...but enough depth to keep things interesting for extended playtime.
-Games can be finished in under 2 hours (unlike something like War in Flames which will net you 100+hours to finish a single game)
-Multiplayer is a blast, but you will need to have an opponent, no jumping into matches with randoms (you could just ask here I guess)
Panzercorps;
Same as above really, although I feel that this game loses too much in its abstraction. Not even supply is simulated. You can completely surround a unit and it will be fine, yo can't "siege" a town, and encircling swaths of units is near pointless. Other than that though a perfect fun game that gives a good intro into wargames.
Order of battle pacific command:
Fast paced (for a wargame), a tad more expensive than the other two.
Out of the three most pleasing GFX if that is something you like in a wargame.
It is "sort of" a cross between panzercorps and unity of command.
>>126174239
>>Thing is a BMP's armament's offensive capabilities are outstanding.
>>Any other tank something as shit as a bmp1 can kill frontally
ITT: BMP-1, Burger Approved.
>be escortin SU25Ton sead mission on TAW
>some fucknugget hits me with cannon rounds
>lose engine, leak fuel, visible fuel trail
>kill the su27 that attacked me
>continue escorting
>HOLY SHIT 3 radar contacts
>>>SU25T: just keep me alive
>be bvr'ing SUs and migs on one fucking engine with no fucking fuel
>dodging missiles
>taking another su down
>naturally both of us die against the remaining two bandits
>>he gets pissed at me
yeah fuck you too guy, sorry I only killed 2 of the 4 bandits in a 1v4
>>126175598
Do you literally think the BMP's armament is bad? Because if that is the case I have figured out why I am making no headway with you, you are just thick as a brick.
The last problem of the BMP is its armament, the very last problem in fact.
>>126175598
Oh, btw, I see you have given up on the javelin issue and agree with me on the javelin being an outstanding antitank weapon system.
Instead we will be discussing the BMP from this point onward, if I understand you correctly, since you seem hellbent on bringing everything back to the BMP rather than the javelin.
>>126155870
There used to be a torrent, devs got turbobutthurt and had it removed. Kind of justified too since they don't have enough market share nor visibility for allowing them to survive their shit getting torrented.
>>126176105
There's a difference between 'giving up' and realizing you're dealing with a burger too retarded to realize that t55 kills and a fake t-72 demonstration does not mean a weapons system is effective.
On to the BMP, the armament is dogshit. The Grom can't hit anything at reasonable range, has zip for depression, and the AT-3 is sub par.
>>126177931
Wrong on all counts, but what is to be expected from a russiaboo.
>>126177931
>fake t-72 demonstration
Nothing fake about it, you just don't like the results.
>The Grom can't hit anything at reasonable range
It can
>has zip for depression
This is a problem of the BMP, not its armament. I specifically stated the BMP's armament, not the BMP itself, now who is moving goalposts?
>and the AT-3 is sub par
It is not
The guns on the BMP in and of themselves are fine. It is the implementation on the BMP and the BMP as a vehicle that make the BMP shit.
Barely any depression, so no hulldown.
Shit armor
"too campact" in the sense that no matter where you hit the thing, you are hitting something crucial to its operation, be it engine, munition, personnel etc.
Can't shoot on the move unless you are shooting at a house....2 meters away....and even then you better cross your fingers and hope your shot doesn't go wide.
Has a deadzone @11o'clock position because lamo IR searchlight which forces the gun to be completely elevated.
Can't move at its top speed without breaking something.
Can barely move at reasonable speeds on smooth roads without breaking apart, let alone crosscountry, might as well have your infantry loaded in the back just walk instead.
Autoloader is so shit it is literally faster to just to everything manually.
Autoloader is so shit it is literally safer to just do everything manually.
It is a shoddy vehicle to say the least.
All that being said it was the first ICV and it had the right ideas, an armoured vehicle capable of delivering infantry to the front at a speed that could keep up with armored elements, whilst at the same time being able to give beyond decent fire support; it was a threat to all NATO MBT of the time, even frontally. It was just executed pisspoorly. Furthermore none of the BMP1's flaws had anything to do with the installed 2A28.
>>126182060
>>126177931
What T-72 demonstration are we talking about?
>>126182060
Autoloader on a autocannon
Has science gone to far?
>>126182306
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovxz1_hPJKQ
R8
>>126183943
To be honest, that T-72 looks like a mock up T-72B2, the "log" is not looking like a real log.
It has it's fuel drums on which is not combat condition, the thing that looks like the T-72B2 version of ERA has a big round thing under it so it clearly isn't actual era, just some drum thing to make a certain shape.
It also has no ERA on the top which a T-72B2 would have if it was a real one.
Despite having the turret shape of a B2 it doesn't have the correct sideskirts either.
It's a pretty bad quality video, but what version of the T-72 is this actually suppose to be?
>>126183573
Except it's not an autocannon, it's a 73mm low pressure gun. The BMP-2 is the one with a 30mm autocannon.
>>126182060
500 meters is not a very reasonable range with an average 1500 in europe
>>126186224
more eryx, you gotta spam them
you do not need 5 cards of highend ifvs, limit yourself to one and learn to use 5pt browning transports for fire support
So, gonna buy anything on the Steam sale, anons?
>>126189891
DCS modules
>>126189891
Bad Company 2 once it goes for less than 3€, and I think that's it.
>>126189932
I'm really tempted to buy MiG-21, becauseI'm a slavaboo and the plane looks comfy and autistic enough
>>126190310
>Since 2001, the Indian Air Force has lost more than 12 MiG-27s to crashes.[7] In mid-February 2010, India grounded its entire fleet of over 150 of the aircraft after a MiG-27 crashed on 16 February 2010 in Siliguri, West Bengal. The crash was attributed to defects in the R 29 engines of the aircraft, suspected to have occurred during the overhauling of the aircraft by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). Another Mig-27 crashed in the Barmer area on 27 January 2015.
>indians in charge of using slavtech
>>126190545
oops, didnt mean to quote
>try installing IL-2 CUP
>realize the 9GB of shit I downloaded were merely the maps
>I have to download something like 25 more GB
Jesus.
>>126189891
Flashpoint campaigns if it goes even lower. I'd buy combat mission in a heartbeat if the price went down but I can't see that happening.
>>126187560
>implying ERA would impede a javelin in any way whatsoever.
Why can't be ban Reddit?
>>126188202
The gun can engage tanks at a range of ~1300 metres.
Thing is, if it is mounted on a BMP, then that BMP has to be within 1300m of a NATO MBT, and since it can't operate properly from a hulldown position you are exposing your tincan to some serious whoopass.
I am not disagreeing with you on the BMP1 being sheit, I just disagree taht the 2A28 is teh reason for it being sheit, it is quite honestly the best thing about the entire vehicle, there is nothing wrong with the 2A28.
>>126191725
>those fucking non-standardized filenames
>>126195107
>Implying that things designed to impede shaped charges would impede shaped charges.
umm yeah that's pretty much exactly what i am implying.
>>126198492
>tandem warhead
>>126198492
Well the Javelin does have a tandem warhead so that helps in defeating ERA.
>>126189891
Rise of Flight DLC
>Precalculated you mean, kinda like your own orders...nigger. You give orders to your units, you click to indicate you are done, AI calculates best orders for his units based on available information. 1 minute of time is processed to play out both sides orders, rinse repeat.
>Every thing is "preplotted plans" by design, god fucking damn it, this thread is filled with niggers.
No I mean the enemy AI doesnt adapt to shit. It will always use the same 2 or 3 orders that it sets at the beginning of the game and they wont change
>>126198492
>javelin
>a simple shaped charge
and the next guy who knows nothing about what he is talking about joins the discussion, amazing how many people like you there are.
If you are in this thread and you aren't getting this game at this price, you are doing it wrong.
>>126203708
>Not already owning it
At least Black Turn is only $1.49
>>126199046
>What is Relikt
WGG: /k/ refugee edition.
>>126203708
UoC is a puzzle game, not a wargame
Worth it?
>>126204448
Yes
The first two games' SP campaign are worth it alone
>>126204608
cheers lad
>>126203708
What's so great about it?
>>126204448
Not really ,the first had good MP, if you enjoy the campaigns you have to be pretty god damn tolerant of retardation.
>>126200771
Speaking of which, where do I start here? Which ones should I grab first?
Is this a good game to buy? I really like company of heroes 2, and it seems like that, but bigger. Is there a steep learning curve to it, or is it fun off the bat? I really dig the whole snowy eastern front theme, and this looks like its interesting enough. I'm fairly new to the whole RTS genre, only ones I played before was World in Conflict and Battlestations Midway/Pacific and that was a long time ago.
Went to /k/ and /v/ and I was told to come here.
>>126204432
How is the MP a puzzlegame?
Also, if by puzlegame you mean there is an ideal "solution" then every game that gives you set scenarios is a puzzlegame, in fact any game played against AI would fall into the category of puzzlegame if you are using that definition.
Why is it so comfy lads
fuck the huey, fuck the Mi-8, this is the only thing that makes my dick rise
>>126205960
It is nothing like CoH2 other than its eastern WW2 setting.
It isn't an RTS.
It is more complex than your average RTS but not THAT hard.
Fun game if you like planning things, not so much fun game if you like clicking a lot of shit to make stuff happen (like a traditional RTS would require you to do)
>>126206112
Russians always make things drunk
>>126203963
>What is Relikt
It is technology installed on the tiniest of fractions of Russian tanks, much like Arena. It's cool to have this tech and all, but what is the point if you can't afford to install it on your equipment.
>>126207662
The existing Relikt even is useless and can't protect the frontal glacis against old TOWs
>>126187135
>DCS shitposting mod
we need this.
You could probably do it through the kneepad though.
>>126208545
got a source for your shitpost drivel?
>>126206112
Because it can do loops and barrel rolls, and shoot planes down.
Everyone point at them, point at them and laugh
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=156149
>>126189891
I bought Men of War: Assault Squad II.
I hope it's good. Gameplay looks a bit like DoW II to me, but with a much higher (or rather, any) emphasis on concealment, working lines of sight, and flanking rather than playing the "I tech up to walkers and engage your anti-vehicle units in melee so you can't kill them while I murderfuck the rest of your army" or the always fun "never engage, just play CP whack-a-mole" game.
Why the fuck is the mg3 depicted as good?
Why does it have more sustained firepower than weapons capable of accepting significantly longer belts?
Does Eugen honestly think rediculous rate of fire is a good attribute for a machinegun to have?
>>126211439
>looks at PKM, that's lighter and more controllable.
yes they do.
>>126211323
>All those edgy OC skins
>No Su-25A
>No MiG-29
>THIS IS A SIMULATOR, NOT AN ARCADE GAME.
>We love you, Eagle Dynamics!
>>126210620
What does it even matter, even if it gave 100% protection against every known weapon to mankind, fact would still remain that only the smallest of fractions of the Russian tanks will be fielded with Relikt.
>>126211439
>Does Eugen honestly think rediculous rate of fire is a good attribute for a machinegun to have?
Are you saying it's not?
>>126210838
>shoot planes down
sorry, what?
I've only been able to load Vikihr's and KH-25ML's on them, no IGLA's so far.
Is there something I'm missing?
>>126211731
>needing iglas to shoot planes down
kek.
>>126211706
Completely different roles.
>>126200771
Why would you buy that shit on steam if the standalones not only cost less but they also don't have bugs that are exclusive to the steam edition?
>>126212969
Some people can't comprehend games can be sold outside of steam.
>>126213198
What I don't get is why fucking buying it on steam. Even if the deal is good for you (eg you want to fly all of the planes in a bundle and don't give a shit about the more or less mandatory modifications) as far as I know you can't use the keys you buy on steam on the standalone and viceversa, unlike DCS.
>look at the DCS prices on steam
>30% discounts
Did Eagle Dynamics go in full kike mode? Will they ever sell FC3 for less than 10€ again?
>>126213618
Prolly not, ED just realized 101 in marketing
>>126213785
Oh well. Are DCS keys region locked?
>>126214057
They shouldn't be, but you may end up with Russian only.
>>126213618
Just get your modules on kingguin, you can't blame ED for realising that putting your product on 70% sale every two months is a dumb idea.
>>126204448
CoH1 has fun campaigns. MP is fairly balanced, slightly on the Wehr side since relic are huge Wehraboos. MP is easing towards life support, but you can still get into lobbies.
CoH2 Campaign (non DLC, haven't bought them) is fucking trash. MP is dangerously MOBA like and for some reason less lethal than the first game. Factions are a mess, it's like they took certain aspects from several armies of the first game and amalgamated them. The only thing it does better is provide a reverse button for vehicles.
>>126215341
Would I incur in risks such as getting banned from steam if I bought keys from there? Do I need a VPN for activating them?
>>126205960
It's skill and technicality requirement is above that of CoH2. I'd recommend you get Dawn of War (if you're interested in 40K) or Men of War / Ass Squad 2.
>>126215739
I don't know to be honest, I play on standalone which has no region locking.
>>126191725
>install instructions are spread across multiple threads
It's a funny little mod.
>>126211403
Ill play with you if you want. It's terribly hard to find a good game.
WHERE ARE THE MIN/MAX SIZE VARIABLES FOR THE IMPOSTORS.FX IN DCS?
What are the best dlcs for Graviteam?
>>126206112
It's comfy, yeah, but fuck that cockpit layout. You go back and forth during startup way too much.
>>126205960
It's okay, but it's novelty quickly wears off due to terrible controls and interface. If you're looking for a game that you can transition to from CoH, check out men of war. Graviteam is more of a 'give a few orders, then watch the battle unfold' kind of game, rather than a straight up RTS.
>>126207662
To be fair in this day and age of limited conflicts you don't need to be able to equip everyone with cutting edge stuff, just the ones doing the actual fighting.
>>126219236
You can get all of them for free if links are still up so no point asking
>>126219772
Free? What?
>>126219856
>not reading the OP
>>126219945
Does it work with the steam version?
>>126220112
Yes
>>126219945
>>126219856
Pssst, top secrit info right here:
You can get pretty much any game "for free", don't tell everyone though or it might catch on!
![header[1].jpg_t=1448392822.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sQlgOfj.jpg "header[1].jpg_t=1448392822.jpg")
>$10
worth it?
>>126221549
Yup. Still got a lot of work to do but they update pretty often. IMO the gameplay is already better than AS2, especially the balance(No more cheap autocannon spam rushes. Cloaking infantry shit getting toned down, etc.).
Plus, it's a nice break from the never-ending sea of WW2 shit.
>>126221549
Well according to the roadmap for the game, they should have finalized infantry gameplay. Which honestly is fucking stupid, and vehicle wise, i don't even know what it's like, because infantry is so expensive i never see them, and when i rarely do they work in such clunky ways and are either impossible to kill due to range, or stupidly easy making most vehicles fucking worthless.
>>126221549
Every time someone supports an early-access game, a nignog is born somewhere in the USA.
>>126224739
Shit, I better stop being a NEET and buy a fuckton of early access games then.
>>126219236
>>126220112
In case those links don't work anymore or you have a hankering for supporting devs, more or less all the DLCs are decent enough in that they are like the default campaigns. The only one that isn't very interesting is the Chinese one and Shield of the Prophet can feel like you're just slamming tanks into each other at times.
>I bought all dcs modules when ED was still doing 80% sales
get fucked nigs
>>126224739
Gonna buy as many as i can then.
Best hex based war games aside from:
War in the X series
Flashpoint campaigns
World in Flames
Squad Leader
?
Don't bother mentioning panzer general/corps.
I am sort of looking for a game with the complexity levels of the games I mentioned above, without the game length those games have. Finishing any of the games above is usually a month long endeavor.
>>126226131
>name a good hex based game besides every single hex based game
>>126226131________Panzer corps___
>>126226551
>there are 4 hex based games, 1 of which isn't even really a PC game
Good joke (I hope)
>>126226131steel panthers, don't listen to the butthurt guy that keeps raging about infantry not getting killed in droves
Remember the fallen comrades
>>126226131
>Finishing any of the games above is usually a month long endeavor.
You can play every single Flashpoint scenario consecutively within a few days.
>>126227243
It gets everything wrong with how it implemented igougo though.
>>126234536
>igougo
wat
>>126234241
Fair enough, was more referring to world in flames, war in X and squad leader.
I really am a WW2 nut so these games naturally interest me more than flash point campaigns.
After flashpoint, squadleader is probably the shortest, but by the time you have found a player, set it up and played a scenario yo will have spent many MANY hours on it. Not to mention the rule shenanigans.
Basically what I guess I am asking for is squad leader with proper implementation for the PC, so that bookkeeping and set up is done by the computer, not me. I always end up at combat mission (dev was involved with an attempt at a computerized SL so no real surprise there). I just find that combat mission takes away too much control for too long a time period in WEGO, A LOT can happen in 1 minute.
I dunno man, just seems the game I want doesn't exist. ;_;
>>126234758
I go, you go -> igougo, I generally prefer "we go" or a phased igougo (like in squad leader).
With larger games such as War in the East Wego or phased Igougo starts becoming cumbersome and really more of pain in the ass than the added immersion/realism it brings is worth.
>page 9
Question time.
Why don't they install "allah akbar" detectors on T-72's? When it detects "allah akbar" being said within a 2 mile radius it warns the crew to either deploy countermeasures or eject.
>>126238290
because allah akbar is also being said by the crew?
>>126239080
Give it a 5 meter deadzone.
>>126190545
>hindustan
Lol
>>126229786
What game?
>>126221549
So what comes with deluxe? and is it worth the 5$ increased price
>>126211686
Nice goalpost shift there.
>>126241673
nice fallacy fallacy there
Why are the 80's featured so much in cold war-era wargames as opposed to the 50's, 60's, and 70's?
>>126245292
Because there are plenty of interesting, REAL wars to base games off of in those timeframes.
>>12624529280's were the only era where NATO stood a chance
>>126245292
Probably because the 1980s have both sides at peak strength. Also the 60s and 70s will forever be associated with Vietnam in the West
>>126246747
>Water jets
Is that some Yom Kipur war art?
>>126247326
>>126246747
Has there ever been a non-Steel Panthers Mideast game?
daily reminder
>>126249704
>>126242049
'hurr u pointed out my fallacy, u r use fallacy fallacy lol'
Shifting the goalposts, when the onus is on you to prove your argument, generally means you're wrong.
If you aren't wrong, feel free to prove yourself. Otherwise, remain incorrect /and/ buttblasted.
>>126250878
>when the onus is on you to prove your argument
nice burden of proof fallacy
>>126250969
You made the original claim, thus it is your burden of proof to prove said claim.
>>126211439
>Why does it have more sustained firepower than weapons capable of accepting significantly longer belts?
The question you should really be asking is why does it have more sustained firepower when that rate of fire makes them burn through ammo at absurd rates? When that rate of fire requires them to change barrels far more often than other MGs?
Honestly, people who say the MG42/3 is a good GPMG don't understand what the GPMG role is. The MG42/3 is a fantastic squad automatic weapon, but a terrible GPMG.
>>126210620
ERA in general is very overhyped. Kontakt-5 was toted by various slavs as wonder armor, making their tanks undedable and immune to any and all attacks. The Swedes however discovered after studying Kontakt-5 on thr T-80U that it could be defeated by a single shaped charge if struck at a high angle.
http://youtu.be/fqb6fzjBItU
See the warhead trials able to defeat the ERA during the trials, both with and without a a precursor shaped charge? Those ERA tiles where more or less copies of what you'd find on a T-80U.
>>126241673
>>126250878
What is with this stupid goalposts meme and why does this anon use it so much?
>>126254805
Its a good thing then that all NATO infantry are trained to hop ontop of the tank and fire doneward into the tank with AT launchers
>>126256513
Shifting goalposts = admitting you're a typical dumb sperg burger who's always wrong
>>126256886
that's an ad hominem
>>126257230
Not if it's true :')
>>126256661
It's a good thing all of nato has top attack munitions in plenty.
>>126254805
all they say is that is simulates t80 armor, which in all likelihood means it's kontakt 1 era.
>>126257947
except they don't
>>126256661
>Implying
What is terrain? Fucking magic, that's what. No wonder slavshits got BTFO in Afghanistan, sending armored vehicles into fucking mountains.
>>126260135
It felt like a good idea at the time
>>126261178
>Any pointing out of slavic failure is bait.
>>126261750
It is the easiest way to start a shitposting spree.
>>126261750
>slavshits
>BTFO
'nah just pointing out what happened historically i swear cuz, totally not tryin to shitpost or nuttin'
Inbred.
>>126263119
Well
They historically got BTFO, so I don't see what your panties are in a twist for.Especially since you aren't fucking Russian, Slavboo.
>>126263208
BTFO'd like Afghanistan, Iraq, kosovo, bosnia, somalia, Vietnam, bay of pigs, Korea?
>Being the undisputed champion of being BTFO'd
>Slavs
Pick one.
>>126263391
m-muh k/d ratios...
>>126263391
But nothing really comes close to this.I don't give a shit about who got "BTFO'd" or whatever, I just find this funny.
>>126263119
Ivan was most certainly btfo in Afghanistan
>>126263505
>Iraq, kosovo, bosnia, somalia, Vietnam, bay of pigs, Korea?
Dehumanize yourself and face to inferiority
wargame threads are always fucking shitpost supreme central
>>126263859
more like 'banned /k/ refugee' central
>>126263524
Does that change Afghanistan?
Why has this thread turned into to such shitposting again?
is exhentai bob at it again?
>>126263878
Where da janitor fag at when you need him?
>>126254805
>Americans hit top armour of T-72
>huge fireball, ay lmao meme explosions
>Swedes hit top armour of T-72
>Hole on top, penetration confirmed.
I guess americans fill up the interior with extra ammo or what?
>>126265469
>I guess americans fill up the interior with extra ammo or what?
Fill the interior with TNT more like.
>>126265469
"simulated combat-load"
>>126265546
Probably filled to the brim with explosives, you can't even get into the tank.
>>126263391
Oh, I'm sorry, is the USSR still around and they are just keeping a low profile?
>When you've been so BTFO that you cease to exist.
>>126265702
Better to not exist than be the world record holder for getting BTFO'd repeatedly in modern conflict
>>126266254
Yeah, just look at all of Russia's recent military success too :^)
>>126266421
That gif should be the other way around though.
Russia didn't have a problem with ukraine going working with europe and Russia, but the EU, i mean america, did have a problem with that.
>>126266519
Here we go.
>>126266590
exhentai bob, you have been reported have fun
>>126266620
Sorry, Slavboo, 4chan doesn't have downvoting.
>>126266698
It does have offtopic though.
>>126266254
>Better to not exist than be the world record holder for getting BTFO'd repeatedly in modern conflict
What exactly is your definition of BTFO?
Let's see Soviets lost in Afghanistan, the US did not, most of the conflicts listed the US had a minor part, or lost the war of public opinion at home.
Afghanistan: Won Put in New government and left.
Iraq: mk1 Lost support, mk2 Won, Put in New government, left.
kosovo: Let's just look at the casualty lists that is no BTFO.
bosnia: Primarily UN, the US was not a primary factor.
somalia: Primarily UN, and still inflicted massive casualties on the enemy forces. Didn't even bring tank support because of politics.
Vietnam: Got ceasefire, returned home, lost public support for war, and Vietnam reunited because the north violated the ceasefire and the US did not have support to return.
bay of pigs: Very Very Minor conflict all things considered
Korea: South Korea still exists, it was a stalemate between the US and China, not BTFO.
So either you are stupid or trolling.
>>126267083
>14 years after the american invasion, Taliban has made progress and is now again within reach of the capital kabul.
>Winning.
just illegally downloaded flashpoint
what memes am I in for /wgg/
>>126267549
Kobra is the only TGM.
By default all NATO forces are veterans and all PACT forces are rookies.
planeposters, maybe we should just move on to a different general
>>126267709
sign me up
>>126267794
Please do, no one wants furfags and gypsies.
All the planeposter 'falseflaging'More like false fagging amirite?in this general is hilarious.
>>126267794
If we do both generals will die but maybe its for the best this place is infested with a3g
>>126259494
>they don't
They do. Javelin, BILL2, NLAW, TOW2B just to name a few. Not everey country is a 3rd world shithole like russia, stuck in the 80s unable to enter the modern age.
>Kontakt-1
The T-80U the Swedes studied had Kontakt 5 which proved to be rubbish outside russian propaganda centrals.
>>126268958
>post 2000 weapons systems
>relevant to cold war
nice meme
>The T-80U the Swedes studied had Kontakt 5 which proved to be rubbish outside russian propaganda centrals.
Oh, you mean the Kontakt-5 that was so useless, the US developed mew marks of M829 to render it less effective?
Burgerlogic.exe has encountered a critical autism, and needs to close.
mfw burgers are this easy to troll and shitpost
bmp
>>126269329
That's a BTR you autism burger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!1one!1!!
>>126267426
>A year after cessation of combat operations
>US BTFO
Are you stupid?
Also still a better track record then the Soviets had in Afghanistan.
>>126270239
>slavs BTFO in afghan
>leave after 9 years
>burgers BTFO in afghanistan
>still there 12 years later
remind me who has more autism?
>>126268958
