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>Patch 1.09 Info
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html
>Accessing the DLC
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
Note: If the eye isn't showing up, go to: Settings > Playstation Network/Account Management > Restore Licenses
>Planners
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne
http://bloodborne.frontbuffer.com
>MP Range Calculator
https://mpql.net/tools/bloodborne/
>Where to go next in BB
http://pastebin.com/kr9TbvKS
>Guide Scans
Base Game: http://justsomefaggot.imgur.com/
DLC: http://ssjnugget.imgur.com
>Wikis
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com
http://bloodborne.wikidot.com/
http://bloodborne.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodborne
>Co-Op & PvP
http://www.bloodbell.com/
Official PvP Chalice: hizzngr3 (Pthumeru Root)
Saturday Fight Club: 6cb7ieyy (every Saturday 6pm EST, rules: http://imgur.com/1RjNbF4)
>Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer and Speedrunning
http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv
>Beasthood & Claws Info
http://pastebin.com/jnbs35ZX
>Wheel, Fight Club, Arc 101, Chalice Dungeon Speedrun Info and DLC Guide Scans
http://ssjnugget.imgur.com
>Media Pastebin - OSTs, Concept Art, and Screenshots
http://pastebin.com/t8byCxfj
>Fighting Amy for the first time
>Kick its ass
>Get its health down to a point where you can't actually see it anymore
>Like it must have had single digit HP
>Think I killed it
>See it moving around but think it's just doing its death animation
>Look over to my other screen for something
>Somehow Amygdala wasn't dead and did its stupid jump thing and killed me
Fuck
My
Life
old post
>>126287674
The League patch did give one solid reason to go into NG+, what with depth 5 CFR materials being for sale. In-game farming spots are completely irrelevant compared to CD farming spots, and since unlocked chalices and store inventory carry over through NG cycles none of that is lost.
Post your character selection screen.
This is my second save, original got corrupted but it was just one 90 hour character so its not like its a massive loss.
post hunters
>>126288248
>Level 15
>55 hours
What the fuck?
>>126288252
>Mensis cage
>Choir garb
5 people wasting their time at once, that's impressive
>>126288248
>>126287940
Just make a new character? But if what >>126288150 says is right, go for it.
>>126288496
Kek'd.
Hey guys :)
>>126288248
I will once I update mine. I've got another 300 hours or so since I made it, I'm sure.
>>126287218
Rom was ascended by direct means from Kos, as Micolash states "As you once did for the Vacuous Rom"
>>126287164
>>126286872
Gotta love bullshit answers.
>>126287984
few hours
HOW IN THE EVER-LIVING FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DODGE MARIA'S BULLSHIT CHARGE ATTACKS
>>126288496
>Not Buscemi
>>126288737
>Rom was ascended by direct means from Kos
How? I know Micolash says it and all, but we really get 0 explanation as to how a Great One can just ascend some human and turn it into a cosmic spider.
If I've never PvP'd in a Souls game before is it alright to show up in FCs?
I don't know anything about compensating for latency, reading attacks, and I'm shit at parrying. I kind of just want to get a taste.
So is it alright to just pop in and get my shit pushed in or are scrubs generally frowned upon?
I would literally just be a walking free dreg and I doubt i would even get a hit in.
>>126288767
Time your dodge later
>>126288767
FRAME PERFECT DODGES NIGGER, GET PRACTICING
>>126288990
You'll never learn how to play against another person unless you try, so feel free.
>>126288248
>>126288496
only 200~ hours. fuking casuals.
>>126288767
You're pressing the wrong button, you need to press L2 instead.
Each of her charge attacks has a unique startup animation, and if you learn to recognize them you can dodge the attack with ease. Or parry it, as I'd recommend.
>>126288909
Probably the same way the entire fishing village got turned into fishy slug people.
>>126288909
They Share their knowledge with us, like through Telepathy they just upload knowledge into our heads, generally you'd have humans gain a bit here and there and write it down, but there are those like rom that, after downloading a good chunk of info don't have their minds explode, but rather just change from knowledge.
You could say this form isn't what Rom looks like, but rather just what we perceive him as with our limited scope of understanding.
I just got the Platinum Trophy. Am I still qualified for the free PS4 theme?
>>126288767
Am I the only one that didn't have problems with Maria? I didn't die on my 98 (was still overpowered with 19's after downgrading from max, but it was fun) and I think I might have died once, if that, on my 43 (also with 19's).
>>126288909
I have no idea as to how or why, but that's what is explained.
>>126288990
>shit at parrying
Sounds like you need a wooden shield.
If you don't have max gems, at least grab the 19's or 22's. Just pretend you're fighting a humanoid boss with less anime style.
>>126288990
Nobody will hate on you for sucking, and the only way to learn is by playing.
Getting a hit in is easy, PvP is not that different from doing PvE, just with more guessing. You will have to learn how to adjust for netplay, parry and catch rolls, just watch other players and copy them.
>>126288990
Go to the Mensis loft middle and practice a bit if you want. It's the main place for general pvp so you're bound to found someone worse than you.
>>126288990
FCs are all about learning.
Also don't worry, I've played the Souls series for years and still get my ass kicked 90% of the time. What makes the PvP so great is that it's still fun
>>126288436
You got a question there or are you just shocked by your ability to state the obvious?
Finding one of these fellas in a random root chalice is like seeing a deer in your backyard.
TOP KEK
Question, i just beat nicholas and i have 65 insight.
Im trying to get some items by using the iron door key, but its impossible with frenzy and wiki says insight adds a shitton of frenzy damage.
What do?
>>126289162
This is the most pretentious lore interpretation I've read this week.
Congrats anon, you nailed the Vaatiposting.
>>126288248
>>126288248I got the game when the dlc came out
>>126289378
Buy a blood rock.
>>126289378
>Micolash
Having high insight doesn't increase frenzy damage, just reduces how much time it takes for frenzy to trigger. Go back to Hunter's Dream, there's a messenger bath where you can spend your insight.
Also, certain clothes and runes can boost your frenzy resistance.
>changing main weapon on Saw/Saif/Wheel when you suck cocks
Every /bbg/ mlg invader
>>126289378
Put on some frenzy resist runes/gear and bring some sedatives
>>126289378
Drop the big brain into the well.
If you've done that, then parry the Winter Lanters and either
>parry a second time, timing your frenzy meter to visceral and not receive damage
or
>visceral and then immediately use a sedative or heal twice
>>126289338
lol
There are so many grammatical errors in this one, it's ridiculous.
>9 months
>still pressing triangle to switch
why from
>>126289378
Go a little further in the level the second cage shortcut will have its door open, (make sure you're going up, not down) there's a hole in the wall, roll out of the cage, kill 3 winter lanterns (eye guys that frenzy) pull lever at the end of the path, it drops the mother brain, you can now use the path safely.
>>126289427
>Pretentious
You can always count on /bbg/ to use words they don't understand wrongly.
>>126289338
Golly!
What is this stat? Is this something new to the game?
So how much difference does a Heavy Abyssal make? Does it give more than +100 AR? More?
Basically I'm asking if it's worth it's not.
>>126289432
Your messenger looks like an aborted fetus.
>>126289452
>>126289483
So i can safely spend my insight? Ok.
But the bath messenger doesnt sell any items for insight.
>>126289512
I have gear, no runes.
The thing is when i enter trough that iron door key passage it builds up too fast.
>>126289572
>>126289614
ill look this up
Why do NPC summons even exist?
>>126289739
There's another bath messenger in the hunter's dream.
>>126289739
No you dork, the other messengers. Go to the ones you know and loop up along the cliff.
>>126289759
For those that fucking hate stupid co-ops and just need a distraction or when the internet is out or when poor fags don't have PS+.
>>126289759
So you still can get carried when some idiot with backhoe ruins your internet for a week.
Also for the very shy that mess up the coop sessions with real people a lot.
>Confederate Leaderboard
>theJoy just went up another 100 points literally overnight.
Come on are you fucking shitting me?
>>126289759
They were actually better before the patch, when Gascoigne and Alfred didn't take up a summon slot. You could have them plus two players for four bodies total.
Now the only benefit they provide is a second target that at least knows when to heal itself so you can get into the boss's blind spots easier.
>>126289916
The only fight I found one actually helpful was Shadow of Yharnam though. Same as DaS2, they don't do anywhere near the damage output to warrant the buff.
>>126289759
Cause theyre bro as fuck
>>126289958
not him but
>overnight
timezones exist, and 8 hours is more than plenty to get 100 insight
>>126289958
Savescum vermin when you hit 99.
Leaderboards in this game, how easy they are to manipulate, piss me the fuck off, especially since my dregs got deleted when I have never duped on my save file.
>>126289958
He's probably popping vermin in stacks of 99. Or outright farming them from HN hunters.
>>126289997
Their true value is as a distraction and meatshield.
>>126290064
>Savescum vermin when you hit 99.
Nope, already checked, it doesn't work, score reverts to whatever it was when you roll back the save.
>>126289829
>>126289863
oh hey look at that, never seen this thing
it doesnt sell a blood rock but ill buy other shit
i was a week here earlier, and i asked about some weird thing i encountered
i was a bit further of the cathedral ward, and some thing took me in the air that look like a fist and it killed me
people here said go back when you have 40 insight
should i go back now and try to get killed again by the magic fist or something?
>>126290169
>it doesnt sell a blood rock
It will when you kill the nurse.
>>126289614
It is in fact pretentious though. I'm sorry that you liked it so much that you have to resort to ad hominem.
>>126290169
If you have 40 insight just walk outside the Cathedral and look up at it.
>>126290169
>it doesnt sell a blood rock
Kill Mergho's Wetnurse and it will.
>>126290169
The blood rock is unlocked later. Chunks unlock after Micolash, rock when you kill Mergo's Nurse.
Having 40 insight just makes it visible, if you want to do anything with it you'll need a special key item called a Tonsil Stone. But if you payed attention to what NPCs say and read the full description of your items you'd know that. (Press square in the inventory).
>>126290334
>>126290169
>if you want to do anything with it you'll need a special key item called a Tonsil Stone
Got my spiderthulhus mixed up, the one you're referring to teleports you into the DLC after you've bought it.
>type long winded post
>blocked, pending ban for posting 'garbage'
Well, this has never happened to me.
What faggot janitor did that? Joke's on you, faggot, I just moved over a seat. lol
I don't even remember what all I typed though.
>>126290271
You still don't know the definition of pretentious, do you?
But it shouldn't be a problem for you to explain how, right?
Anon, ad hominem is a personal at that doesn't contribute to the argument, stating you're misusing a word isn't ad hominem, and you've misused two different terms in two posts now, I'm starting to think you're one of them "the troller" people that are pretending.
>>126290591
Not him, but this post doesn't contribute to the argument in the slightest, and the argument itself contributes nothing to the overall discussion topic.
>
MIYAZAKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>126290591
I just looked it up, and you're right.
It in fact means "I don't care enough to write a detailed explanation on why Insight fuckery doesn't apply to Rom to please some dude on the internet".
I stand corrected.
What are your favourite simple moments in Bloodborne, hunters?
Mfw finding that sweet, sweet shortcut back to the lantern in an area that's been kicking my ass on my first playthrough
>>126290828
I've gotten three of these fucking things I'm fucking dying inside someone help me.
I'm probably slowpoking but I just notice the vanishing Poorman's blood gems from DLC were fixed. They appeared out of nowhere in my inventory when I checked after farming y***byza.
>>126290854
>I just looked it up, and you're right.
See, was that so hard?
>>126290804
>Not him
Good for you.
>>126290868
not hugely relevant, but i never got that feeling in the dlc
there were too many shortcuts imo
>>126290445
oh i see i just did it and i guess that was the dlc
i lighted the lamp and went back, is it only possible to enter the DLC trough getting captured by that beast thing?
I also remember the same beast in another place also taking you up the air, im guessing that one does the thing you mentioned first with the tonsil thing?
>>126290828
>tfw have max thrust gems on my twink
The Rifle Spear and Church Pick are FUN I tell you!
FUUUNNNN
>>126290828
Get back to me when you're farming depth 3 bosses for the not 100% chance of abyssal gems and a good secondary effect on top of a tolerable curse. I swear if I get another cursed damp cold gem with poison and attack down I'm going to kill someone. Except I won't, because my gems are shit.
>>126290868
Killing the cleric beast for the first time.
I had much much more trouble with him than gascoigne. But that moment after i got my ass trashed like 10 times and then i finally beat his ass. I knew, that moment I knew this game is gonna be the best.
>>126290868
I love killing beast bosses with saw cleaver R1 mash. Just R1 until you get hit, blood vial, back to R1.
It makes me feel so dirty and retarded, it's amazing.
>>126290993
Okay buddy, that's all you're getting out of me. You've been asking questions that would be faster to answer by pointing you at a wiki, so pick one and have at it.
How do you get good blunt / thrust gems?
The spreadsheet doesnt say.
>Winter Lantern hits me with the Tip of her Finger
>get pulled inside her grab
thanks From.
>>126288106
Always take the extra swing/shot
>>126291293
Kill Undead Giants for good ones. Pray to RNGesus and kill Watchers for the best ones
What is fucking wrong with the saif
Why does it stunlock
Why is it impossible to avoid, why is its pvp hitbox larger than your mom
Am I /fa/ yet, /bbg/?I wanted to use the harrowed hood but the bandages are way too light
is bbg back now? can't post shit.
Anyone wana help a hunterbro kill Ludwig? Ringing the bell in the nightmare church by the lamp. Pw is bbg123
>>126290828
>farm for a fucking week
>get a whooping 3 of these
>none of are perfect and the highest was a %31.5
this game has more fucking farming than Dark Souls 2
the jap that thought gems were a good idea, especially in a game that's moving away from rpg mechanics, should be shot.
>>126291725
Bloodlevel?
>>126291807
I'm 88 if that's what you mean. Blood def is 244.
I got him down to like 1/3 but that crazy attack that's like a wall of arcane killed me.
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/11276
any advice from other powder kegs? How's this look?
>>126291978
>that crazy attack that's like a wall of arcane killed me.
Just stay close to him while he is charging it. You can just dodge to the side and smack the shit out of him when he launches it.
>ENB's face when replaying Bloodborne and finding red jelly twice in a row
>Everybody masturbating over killing improperly balanced builds by hitting them with korean farming L2 nukes
>Nobody has realized that mashing R1 with Amygdalan Arm can kill a whole gank squad
They never account for all the side/backwards reach. They think they an back out with a shred of hp and get hit while they think they're safe. The 3rd or 4th hit of the R1 chain has a HUGE hitbox behind you.
>fighting defiled hotdog for the first time
I thought A-Team made this game? Who at From thought this boss was a good idea?
>>126292014
rifle spear with no skill and bloodtinge for no reason?
gatling gun is fine with base blt and rifle spear's blt scaling is terrible
it gets most of its damage from gems anyway
If you want boom hammer, you should either go pure str or 50/25 str/arc
If you want gimmick stakedriver, you should go 18/9 str/skl + 50 arc
>>126292281
But the fight is actually really easy, and very DaS1 like if you fight him with the nose bop strategy.
>>126291561
I wish there are was more plain wear like the Foreign Garb or Sweaty Clothes.
Brador bloody clothes would look great but the hide doesn't really match anything but his head piece.
>>126292281
Look, another 'i'm getting my ass kicked, but the game is at fault' post.
>>126292313
>rifle spear's blt scaling is terrible
It gets B at +10. That's not terrible at all given how many pellets are in it's spread. I've always wanted to see perfect gems on a 50 BLT Rifle Spear.
this might be old news to everyone but if you're farming elder, you can cheese him with backstabs using tricked saw spear
>backstab with augur
>wait until you regain control of your character for maybe a few frames
>charge up your R2 for another backstab
>hit him with the followup R2 to knock him away
>jog over to his back to repeat the process with augur
he's enough of an easy bossafter you've farmed nothing but him for hours on end, and this is really only possible because of the timings of augur and tricked saw spear R2s, as well as how elder will always go into his short animation before trying to teleport away
Thank you, Firion!!
>>126292281
Summon A-Team approved Queen KillerGit gud
>>126292281
One of the best bosses in the game m9, for real. You'll be into it soon
>Patches knocks you down into the virulent ogre piss
>Immediately Bold Hunter's Mark out unscathed
Truly the arachnid master tactician we deserve
>tfw I realized that I could simply avoid EVERY single one of Ludwig's sword swings in his second form by rolling/sidehopping to my left (or his right, if you're taking his perspective)
See, this is the problem when you try to do a BL4 no damage run against bosses.
You end up learning the boss's moveset so thoroughly that the boss loses some of its magic and mystique.
He was the scariest thing in the world when I first fought him. Now he's lost some of his luster.
Still thethirdbest fight of the game though.After Gehrman and Logarius.
this game would be better if so many of the bosses didn't have so much hp
many of them feel like big damage sponges
>>126292313
well i guess its back to the drawing board then eh?
Someone post Maria sliders plz. It would make my Christmas!
>>126292608
Get that cane to +6 mate and then put some gems in.
>>126292531
The German fight is crap, it's very low tier. I agree that the Logarious is fun though.
>>126292709
I don't know what you're talking about. Cane has the lowest AR of the starter weapons.
I could be using %18 gems with a +6 weapon and still feel like many of the bosses are damage sponges, DLC bosses especially
>>126292608
They need that much health to make up for the stupid gems they put in the game.
>>126292281
/bbg/ are a bunch of fanboy dicksuckers but I agree with you m8, all the chalice bosses feel like straight up B-Team trash.
They feel like a collaboration of bosses that Miyazaki turned down for the main game, but then thought hey we've spent time on these pieces of shit, might as well dump them in the side portion content of the game.
>>126292718
You're wrong.
>>126292718
>German
Spell his name properly, you inbred scum.
>crap, it's very low tier.
It's the best final boss fight in all the SoulsBorne games. Oh, who am I kidding? Tripfags aren't exactly known for having anything resembling good taste.
>>126292856
> I agree with you m8, all the chalice bosses feel like straight up B-Team trash.
He didn't say anything like that which speaks volumes about your mindset, not /bbg/s.
>>126292718
Hitler wasn't a very good military leader you got that right
>>126292904
>It's the best final boss fight in all the SoulsBorne games
No it isn't. False King was 100 times better.
>>126292530
>tfw you see the coins leading to the item at the edge of the cliff and just let it happen
I've been playing since DeS at launch and anytime I see a really obvious trap it warms my heart because I know best bro Patches is nearby.Fuck Pate & Creighton. They're poor imitations.
>>126292868
No U
>>126292904
He's not the real final boss; MP is. If you want to go by effective final bosses, then False King Alant was the best.
>>126292856
He only complained about WDOTOL, but I agree with you that the CD bosses are all trash.
>>126293037
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAGH
>>126292656
>>126292981
I'm just informing him that you dare not say anything remotely ill about BB in /bbg/, the place were people literally defend Loran Camerabeast and Headless BLB, the two most terribly designed bosses in the entire series.
>tfw just beat ludwig at Bloodlevel 43
Valtr confirmed for best Npc.
>>126293105
>If you want to go by effective final bosses, then False King Alant was the best.
False King Allant isn't even the final boss of Demon's Souls, you inbred scum. You can beat him before you're even halfway through the game. As soon as you beat your first Arch Demon, you gain access to 1-3. After beating 1-3, you get access to 1-4. If you're good enough, you can beat him before even touching any of the other three Arch Stones.
The final boss of Demon's Souls is a slug underneath the Nexus.
>>126292819
>Cane has the lowest AR of the starter weapons.
That's the point. Previous post sounded like someone trying to finish the whole game with +3 cane.
>DLC bosses especially
Aren't those supposed to be endgame? Don't go there with +6 weapon, get it to +10. Now that the rocks are for purchase there's no excuse to cling to the mensis one even if you don't want to do chalices.
>>126293037
>>126293152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGDY4r951Zc
best music too
>>126292398
There is literally no justification for a boss one-shotting you with a single regular swipe attack, especially in NG at level 120 with 50 VIT.
I'm running a pure ARC build.
ATM I'm using a fire saw spear and an arcane cane.
Should I switch my can to bolt to deal with Ayys?
Have some cringe as payment for the advice
>>126293146
>WDOTOL
>>126293283
>>126293283
>False King Allant isn't even the final boss of Demon's Souls,
No shit, retard. Can you even read?
>>126293358
Stop spamming / time your hits properly and you won't get fucked by counter damage.
>>126293283
Gehrman isn't even the final boss of Bloodborne, you inbred scum.
The final boss of Bloodborne is some dumb ayyy lmao skeleton.
>>126293410
it'll be hard to do before you get to chalices because cane has a triangle slot
get another saw spear so you can make use of the 16.5% bolt waning in yahargul
>>126293527
A final boss is an enemy upon whose defeat can trigger an ending cutscene. There are three final bosses in BB.
Mergo, Gehrman and Moon Presence.
>>126288248
part 1
>>126293724
Wet Nurse doesn't count by your own definition.
>fatty only drops warm gems
>>126293463
>"Can you even read?"
>"effective final bosses"
Yes, I can read.
>>126293724
Wait, how can mergot end the game?
>>126293724
Moon Presence is the only final boss. Anything else is just a shit ending. Moon Presence also happens to be a shitty fight.
What the fuck does MWN have to do with anything?
>>126293874
When you submit to Gehrman.
Can you only make 5 characters?
>>126293801
>"can trigger an ending cutscene"
I didn't say it has to be immediately triggered.
You beat Mergo, which gives you access to the ending. Then you go to Mr. Hotwheels, say yes to the head chop and trigger the ending.
>>126293724
No, the final boss is the last boss that it is POSSIBLE to fight before activating the NG+ trigger.
>>126293867
Apparently, not.
>"effective"
Reading is hard, huh?
>>126293947
That doesn't mean mergo ends on a cutscene though.
>>126293982
10
>helping a host with Defiled Amy
>even though he summoned fucking Queen Killer as well
>get one shot as Amy has a sliver of health left
>still get a gem and a chunk
>>126292281
Pretty much every chalice-unique boss is something right out of dark souls 2. Most of them feel blatantly out of place just in how they work mechanically, as shit like defiled watchdog or undead giants beg you to play passive hit&run styles in a game that's otherwise about being as aggressive as possible. Like, undead giant wouldn't even be a bad boss in DaS2, he'd suit the mechanics of the game pretty decently with his poor-tracking but wide-angle combos and baitable 'get off of me' spin attacks. It's just that playing that way is like the antithesis of BB's combat system, and it's a crock of bullshit putting up with those bosses for the ~3 minutes it takes to kill them.
>>126293763
burger pls. nice new pvp vids btw.
>>126293947
Ohhhh didn't think of that
>>126293982
Nah, I think the limit is 10.
>>126294050
Personally, when I get summoned for Defiled Amy, I wait for them to cross the fog gate and for Amy to get up, then I blank out.
Co-oping that fight is a waste of time.
>>126294050
If you got your gem he should have gotten his Chalice as well.
I helped a guy here last week that got credit for me killing Ebrietas just after he bought it.
>tfw someone tries to argue technicalities for final bosses so they don't have to compete with the quality of false king
>>126294069
Most of the tougher bosses seem to be easy when you play passively even outside of the chalices (e.g. Bribri, Amy).
>>126294184
It's a lot easier now with the bowblade. I have a pretty good success ratio with Defiled Chalice. So much that I left it open to help people from /bbg/ and randoms. That's pretty mean to blank out after the fog, why not just blank out or kill yourself beforehand?
I've been looking forward to playing an arc character. Thought I could continue my tradition of using a rapier with my mage, but then read that the Reiterpallasch can't be gemmed to benefit from arc scaling.
Fuck this game. :/ And the Reiterpallasch would have been great to use with Rosemarinus or the Flamesprayer too since it can be used to parry.
>>126294371
Amy isn't a 'tougher boss' outside of the chalices.
>>126288248
part 2
>>126294491
it's because bloodtinge is considered to be split and you can't gem split for elemental
my first character tried to use wheel and riflespear with minimum blt requirements
:^(
>>126294531
>>126293763
Why do you use the same fashion on every character?
>>126294371
>Most of the tougher bosses seem to be easy when you play passively
Yeah. It really saddens me that Miyazaki didn't manage to make this game into one that punishes passive play. The whole passive act of "wait for the enemy attack and punish his opening" is still the most effective tactic in the game. It works against any boss in BB, no matter how aggressive they are.
>>126288248
>>126294105
thanks, also I deleted a character with like 200+ hours on it so theres that
>>126294478
I don't have a Bow Blade dedicated character yet. I am working on a Saif + Rakuyo character at the moment.
>>126294521
A lot of people had trouble with her when fighting her as soon as she was available when the game first released.
>>126294669
If they wanted the game to be played aggressively, then they should have taken out stamina entirely.
>>126294259
>>126294259
> so they don't have to compete with the quality of false king
That would imply that False King is a final boss.
Which he isn't.
Hardest boss of a game =/= final boss
>>126294632
I dont, its just the same hat, look at the collar
>>126294669
Is it even possible to do such a thing without ruining the gameplay though? I think a game should reward patience and planning along with intense reaction speeds and muscle memory
>>126294669
I don't know I always felt BSB's poison property made playing passive against him a poor decision.
At least when I first fought him.
Basically implementing some sort of actual or effective time limit is what you would need.
What is the worst boss in the game and why is it chalice Rom?
I mean, did they even playtest the meteor attack shit? It's completely impossible to dodge unless you:
1) focus your camera on Rom to see him start it
2) focus your camera on the sky so you can actually dodge it
which doesn't allow you to:
3) focus on the fucking spiders which are cheapshotting your ass
This is just monotonous and cheap. This is something I would expect from Dark Souls 2.
>>126294847
>then they should have taken out stamina entirely.
WHY the fuck did they keep it? It's clear that stamina management means JACK SHIT in this game. Rolling, running and Trickster dashes BARELY take ANY stamina.
And upgrading your endurance beyond a few points is fucking overkill.
I agree that they should have gotten rid of stamina entirely so that they could design more aggressive and faster enemies and promote rushdown-style gameplay among players.
>>126293808
>he now only drops vials with two eye and the milkweed rune
Is the arc points for the empty phantasm shell worth it for Ludwigs?
>savescmming depth 5 frc Amy
>refuse to leave until I get a perfect abyssal with atk vs open foes up.
Gonna be here awhile
So I'm starting a BLT build, how many points should I put into STR and SKL until I stop?
I do plan on using the Chikage and Bloodletter.
>>126294259
>>tfw someone tries to argue technicalities for final bosses so they don't have to compete with the quality of false king
Did you really expect more from them?
>>126294910
He is the EFFECTIVE final boss. Just like Gehrman is the EFFECTIVE final boss of BB.
Going by your definition, the Witches of Hemwick could be the final boss of BB.
>>126295142
To prevent R1 spam after the removal of stamina, just give each weapon a combo length (3-4 like now) then just have them have a longer pause before you can start another combo.
>>126294989
What do you mean? Character-action games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden and Bayonetta have no stamina management. The mobility of players in those games isn't tied to some limiting factor like stamina. Yet they still manage to remain extremely challenging games.
>I think a game should reward patience and planning along with intense reaction speeds and muscle memory
I do too. As the games I mentioned above demonstrate, you don't need a stamina bar on your gameplay to do all of this.
>>126295332
Source on that webm?
>>126295094
>chalice Rom
>focus your camera on Rom to see him start it
This is actually enough. You don't evade the meteors, you hide behind a pillars.
As for spiders, pull them, one by one and kill them from the safety of pillar.
The fight is longer then story Rom but it's not really harder because the meteors aren't a threat.
>>126294910
False king is considered the final progression boss if you don't count the mercy killing in the same way Gehrman is the final boss if you don't count moon.
False king is not the hardest fight in the game either.
>>126295332
is this a music video
>>126295332
14 str and at least 14 skl. Otherwise you can go up to 25 with skl.
>>126295332
14 str and 15 skl
That will let you use them both and the Bow Blade for cheesing bosses.
>>126295362
I suppose you're right. It would make PvP a spamfest of quickstepping and R1s though in its current form. We'll just have to see what From makes next if they truly wish to stop making soulsborne games
>>126295353
This may be the first time I have ever agreed with lucy on anything.
>>126295332
either 14/15 str/skl or 14/25 str/skl
honestly, it's better just to make two separate builds with one at 28/12/50 str/skl/blt and then other at 10/25/50 str/skl/blt
Will I have less suffering farming Watchers or Ebrietas for a good arcane gem?
>>126295094
In the story fight you just sprint to avoid them. In the chalice you just stand behind pillars.
The only monotonous part of the Chalice fight is how many little spiders she summons, since you need to kill them from the safety of the pillars. It take forever.
>>126295613
Must be a scarey feeling. Finally being right, I mean.
>>126295826
watchers are ez
just throw on some music or something and do them a million times
>>126295353
No, that weapon proposal you mention would keep the pace of the game rather slow.
Preventing button spam is easy. Do what they do in character-action games to prevent button spam. Give them hyper armor for certain attacks and give them counters/parries.
>>126295826
Ebby will always drop an arc gem, but only goes up to 24.8, watchers can drop up to 27.2, but have a huge loot table
>>126295596
If they removed stamina they would simply need to use some other mechanic to limit movement and attack options. Being able to dance around AI enemies forever is fine, especially where there are other incentives for engaging enemies like scoring and timed events. Letting people do it in multiplayer would have some serious problems.
One of the things you could actually do is make running out of stamina actually mean something. Something like having no stamina leaving you in a counter hit state or something.
Right now running out has no real consequences, to the point where it might as well not exist.
>>126295332
reminds me Dir en Grey clips
>>126295917
It would not keep the pace slow, Dash in, dodge attacks, spam 4 attacks, dodge attack, spam 4 more attacks.
I am not saying it needs to be a huge cool down. Just around a second to a second and a half.
I just got to defiled chalice, and thanks to the insight you get through maingame and chalices, i had enough insight to buy 2 rocks, as well as having the main game one and dlc one.
So much fucking better
>>126296017
Thank kos you don't decide anything about the Souls games.
>>126295826
Eby will give you weaker gems but you'll only need a few runs to get what you're looking for (or something decently close to it). Watchers drop practically every top-tier gem you can imagine so you'll be farming them for hours and filling your inventory with adept and tempering gems you don't want before you get lucky with an arcane one.
If you're willing to settle and decently competent at killing ebby, then that'd be faster. If you want the best of the best and have patience to spare, go autistic on the watchers for a week.
Bloodlevel 43 here, anyone who want to kill Maria Sue with me? Password is bbg3 ringing in front of the foggate.
I just love how HMS sword beams have such a long stun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zafy8I3eEuQ&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12qhfdbfleytxe1y23kwjr43tuvifnzm04
heres some more beast cutter pvp
>>126294184
>Personally, when I get summoned for Defiled Amy, I wait for them to cross the fog gate and for Amy to get up, then I blank out.
What a cunt. Why even co-op if you're not gonna try?
>>126296410
he doesn't really do it
>>126296017
I'd just make stamina regenerate a bit slower. It would make the HoH rune worth using at the least
>>126296284
ringin
Is there any benefit to using physical gems on the church pick instead of just thrust ones?
>>126296613
Shorter farming.
>>126296381
burger, i love you.
>>126296525
/dsg/ pls, go back to DaS2.
>>126296525
>make stam reg slower
It sure is reddit in here.
>>126296613
More attacks get the bonus damage rather then only your first and third swing untricked. Does tricked mode only have thrust in its attacks?
>>126296381
>that pizzacutter double kill
Excellent
>>126296381
>same face
>3 different names
Wait, at those the names of his beard?
>>126296495
I actually do.
>>126296410
Because I will help on literally every other boss. Defiled Amy is just a complete waste if time in co-op. The fight is ridiculously easy solo, but in co-op she becomes unpredictable, especially with her jumps. It doesn't make sense to waste time fighting her, only to have to have the host get crushed by a jump X minutes into the fight because she changed direction midair.
mfw I use a vermin on all my pvp kills
>>126295452
>>126295493
>>126296056
Got the webm on a creepy thread on /wsg/. Don't know the source.
>>126295508
>>126295554
>>126295742
Thanks.
>>126296736
Yes, with both bonuses, serrated and the other.
>>126296207
I mean if your problem is that stamina has no impact you can either lose it entirely and use something else to restrict over use of certain moves/abilities. Or you make running out of it actually have notable consequences.
Personally I find the second option more interesting but if you want all your games to be braindead where you an just mash dodge and attack endlessly that's totally up to you.
>>126296604
I suck, sorry. this damn fire. Can we try again?
>>126296890
Sweet. I must have some thrust gems worth using somewhere, thanks.
>>126296687
>>126296772
you guys make my day
>>126296802
I tried making different faces that I liked, didn't go well
>>126296962
yeah, ringin again
my bow is doing peanuts tbqh
>>126296802
evidently it's not easy for them. otherwise they wouldn't be summoning, you fuck.
>>126296959
I prefer a fast paced game, that doesn't actually punish you for trying to play it that way.
>>126296284
You know she is really weak to R1 spam, right?
>>126297081
Then they need to learn the jump cheese because that shit is so braindead easy that even a shitter like you could do it.
>>126297081
Amy is the casual filter of the chalices. You need to solo it.
>>126296802
>she
I need Maria sliders. If I don't get them, my son won't be able to celebrate Christmas. I can't do that to him two years in a row. Please, someone help a little boy enjoy his Christmas like everyone else.
So, I'm digging into the chalices right now, no gems (less than 8 percent) and relatively low level. Where in here can I find some intermediary gems to help boost my damage until I get where I can farm better ones?
I'm using Pizza Cutter/Beast Claws.
>>126297535
the watchers boss on the first layer of lower pthumeru drop 18% gems
>>126296802
Amygdala is a male, according to patches.
>>126296962
Did you get credit for her anon or should I ring again
Is the Loch shield any good?
>>126297602
and patches is black according to eileen, who is the wetnurse
>>126297614
ring again please. I don't get why I'm having so much trouble with this cunt..
aside from the eyes being maybe a little too big/spread too far apart, is she acceptable?
>>126297596
Thank you sir. This is the only general left where people it's not overrun by thread culture shit so much that you cannot get info about the game.
>>126297602
I'd guess that sex is not relevant to them.
>>126297214
Getting punished for not managing your resources responsibly. Just hold off on that last hit. Or go for it and just don't get hit for <1 second because you have stamina again by that point.
If you fuck up aggressive play as it is now and get hit mid swing, or during a bad dodge you get counter hit but if you fuck up and waste all your stamina and eat a hit you're actually safer.
I'd rather let people still swing and dodge and run once they go negative, if you are being aggressive and smart you get benefits and if you're dumb you pay for it. That's the whole point of beast hood already isn't it?
>>126297421
Pa-pa-pa-please don't do this to me. I need those sliders.
>>126297846
the proportions are kind of strangely packed
in a way she looks like a 2d cartoon character realized in 3d
>>126296959
Are you an idiot? I'm constantly on the verge of getting out of stamina, I have 15 end, how much fucking stamina do you have?
>he levels end
>complains the game gives you too much of it
>>126297879
you're welcome friendo.
>>126297846
Thinner faced version of this is a girlfriend I got hit by a car for around 15 years ago.
>>126297979
>they don't level end
>want there to be no consequences for playing it fast, tight
>previous souls games had a stamina debt mechanic that delayed regeneration timer if you went into the negative
>>126294669
You can play passive and beat bosses, but you take twice as long and double the chance of getting killed.
That's the punishment for always waiting for a cooldown on attacks not attacking while they are in mid animation.
You complaining that FROM allows people to play passive to beat the game is similar to complaining about people being able to use magic, or coop summons/grinding to beat the game.
There's this thing called built-in difficulty that From puts into their games and playing a style that involves taking one swing then backing up is one difficulty level you can choose.
>>126297614
Thank you so much
>>126297927
I see, I'll try to perfect her.
>>126298071
Oh, yeah?
>>126298071
>>want there to be no consequences for playing it fast, tight
>>previous souls games had a stamina debt mechanic that delayed regeneration timer if you went into the negative
Oh, you're an idiot.
Never said the first one and the second one is wrong because it's clearly not immediate.
>>126292856
Most bosses in the chalice dungeon are better than most of the other bosses in the souls games.
>>126298185
np familam
I beat her first try on that 43 but I was using 19%s and parried her shit up and somehow zen dodged all her phase three shit but on my NG++ 98 she was a huge cunt
>>126298197
>gender: male
>>126295486
>False king is considered the final progression boss if you don't count the mercy killing
but you can kill him after killing 1 archdaemon, and when you kill him it doesn't open the way to the old one
i don't get this. you can fight false king when you're halfway through DeS. in what sense is that final?
>>126297356
And?
>>126297602
Patches is a liar.
>>126297893
Resource management is for more slow paced games, which BB was not supposed to be.
All stamina does in BB is make me stand around doing nothing every once in awhile. That breaks the flow of the game, and makes it less of an aggressive game.
Counter hits and lower iframes is enough to punish poor plays.
Beast hood should also be an innate feature. So being more aggressive has more risks and rewards. You can get in there and go crazy, but if you mess up a dodge, it's GG.
>>126297979
So do you want your points invested to actually matter or don't you?
That's the crux of this whole argument.
If you want stamina and running out of it to matter then of course it makes leveling END higher than base a choice worth considering depending on your weapon and playstyle.
If you don't then get rid of it and replace it with something else that's independent of your stats.
>>126298197
oh if you're going for trap it's good.
>>126298335
I only have one 19.8% one right now. I want to farm the Winter Lanterns in the Hamlet that's why I'm trying to get there as fast as possible
>>126298432
in the sense that even though the boss order is mixed depending on who you choose to fight, false king is clearly intended to be last
>>126297642
blocks magic, bullets, and light melee hits.
Worth it.
