Welcome to the Legend of Zelda general. Talk about Zelda games old and new, and all discussions related to the entire franchise in its various forms. Share and discuss art, music, news developments, timeline theories, speedrunning strats, etc.
/lozg/ #23 - Retro Edition
Previous thread:
First Thread: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/145713334/
>I never played a Zelda game, where should I start?
http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/best-zelda-game-for-new-players-to-start-with-a-brief-recommendation-guide.52290/
>List of Zelda games currently available on this gen's consoles
https://www.nintendo.com/games/game-guide?pv=true#/filter/-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|zelda
3DS has the N64 Zelda remakes plus NES, SNES, GBC Virtual Console.
Wii U has the GC Zelda HD ports plus NES, SNES, N64, GBA, Wii and DS Virtual Console.
>The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Infobin
http://pastebin.com/yDtHrpnN
>BotW Known Item Stats:
see pastebin
>More Zelda 1? Check Zelda Classic's romhacks:
http://www.purezc.net/
>News/Developments<
Toon Link Cameo in Monster Hunter Generations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8iuktPe-yk
Zelda prizes on MyNintendo
>Twilight Princess Picross:
https://my.nintendo.com/rewards/93fc36d80848c6dc
TloZ - "Symphony of the Godesses" concert tour
http://zelda-symphony.com/pages/schedule
TloZ Card Game
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-legend-of-zelda-trading-cards-listed-online/1100-6439912/
Twilight Princess manga in the west
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/05/the_legend_of_zelda_twilight_princess_manga_is_coming_to_the_west
BotW Link figurine in production:
http://gonintendo.com/stories/260163-medicom-reveals-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-figurine
>Official /lozg/ Drawfag station
http://flockmod.com/lozg
>no link to previous thread
PREVIOUS THREAD
>>148437976
Second for Sheik is MALE
Have a wonderful day.
>>148653913
>BotW playlist removed from pastebin
O-ohI was trying to keep that updated too
>>148654274
>>148654274
You can see her chest bindings under her tabard. In real life such bindings wouldn't make her chest seem so broad and flat like a mans. Yet if she were really becoming a man, WHY HAVE THEM AT ALL THEN?
>>148654450
Who did this? It's fucking stupid.
The winners of the Semi-Finals for the Best Sages Tournament are Saria and Ruto.
And with that said, we come to our Finals, a 3 way battle between Saria, Ruto, and Rauru (since he had the bye).
We're gonna try using poal.me for this, just to see.
http://poal.me/bjykha
>>148653913
>>148654450
It was too huge. Anyone who came into the thread looking for BotW info would see that, and feel like they were drowning and leave.
The only playlist that belongs there that I forgot to add, is this channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA0Vxy5GRBw&list=PLz7eMcpGRNNBj0yP4FsIq7FIfmS4PZH3d
>>148654878
That's a very rude reasoning. You could have at least warn the anon that poured so much workinto it before deleting it.
This was the best boss battle out of every game.
>>148654878
Note; copypaste the link. Do not embed, and follow.
>>148655217
It's up there.
Why do we have a link to the first thread in the OP? I've been gone for a couple weeks, so I missed when it was added and whatever the logic behind it was.
>>148655152
Well, sorry. I didn't know anyone from /vg/ was actually making that playlist. It's not like you can't post it here if it means that much to you?
>>148655468
That list is not mine. I say this because we could at least discuss OP changes like all generals do.
>>148655327
No idea. But I've noticed at least one anon is trolling with the OP since last week. It all started withhim making a totally shitty thread before bump limit. Then, I have the impression he is ruining the official OP step by step, subtily.
>>148655847
Maybe I'll have to actually make that revamped OP idea I promised two weeks ago before I disappeared.
>>148656242
Why not. Go for it.
I had some problems today but I'm still around. The first round of the Queen bracket starts tomorrow.
>>148656445
I'll probably get to it later tonight. Last time I promised was right before I went to bed on a Saturday, and then I got busy Sunday. So hopefully by mentioning it in the afternoon I'll actually get around to it today.
Have a fun wallpaper to make up for boring thread business discussion.
>>148654878
>>148655468
I'd rather have a lengthy playlist than no playlist at all, since without it we'll have even more people asking where they can find easily searchable videos in every thread. I've been keeping the playlist since the beginning threads and adding videos as they've emerged, but I can look into skimming down the playlist length if anons here think it's getting too long instead of having it removed completely.
>>148657182
Honestly, I'd keep it in the OP.
OR we can add it in the BotW pastebin, saying it is in the pastebin in the OP itself.
Erasing it totally is dumb.
>>148657084
>Have a fun wallpaper to make up for boring thread business discussion.
It's not boring, it's fine. We are a small and yet constant community, this kind of meta discussion is important.
>thread has become more about discussing the OP's than it has Zelda lore.
Truly, the writing is on the wall now.
>>148655217
I tried to think about why it isso good. The only reason I found is that the spinner is awesome and needs fast reactions.
>>148658361
Then lets discuss this tortured soul.
>>148658361
Nigger, we are 30 posts in. Chill. Don't be a complainfag you too.
Here, have a meaty piece of lore.
>>148655217
One of the few that I remember from TP.
>>148658650
I'm sure you remember more than you think.
>Dekubaba (Giant plant)
>Ignis (Balrog)
>Morpheel (Eel)
>Stallord (Skeleton Dragon)
>Armogohma (Shit Spider)
>Blizzeta (Yeta)
>Argorok (Dragon)
>Zant
>Ganon
>>148658829
> Dekubaba
thanks to your post
>Ignis
The first boss ? I remember one with chains, he was piss easy (the main reason I forgot a lot of them)
>Morpheel
This one was alright
> Armogohma
Thanks to your post.
>Blizzeta
yup
>Argorok
Thanks to your post
And of course for the last two, even if I don't remember much from the Zant fight.
>>148658829
>Morpheel (Eel)
>Stallord (Skeleton Dragon)
>Blizzeta (Yeta)
>Zant
>Ganon
These were the most memorable for me.
Any Duetsch/German anons ever play Zelda Kingdom?
Looks like fun.
>>148658526
At least he passed on/eased his regrets in the end, right?
>>148659274
The Reich comes? Kinda scary/lewd don't you think, depending on your interpretation.
>>148659104
I did the bosses in order, so Ignis is 2nd. I'm amazed you don't remember the bosses, they're pretty easy to remember honestly.
>>148659158
I'd replace Argorok and Morpheel, but that's just me.
>>148660248
Eventually, yes.
>>148660654
>>148659104
>>148658829
With the exception of Zant and the first boss, all of Twilight Princess' mini-bosses are better than the actual bosses.
Have some OC, for example.
>>148658526
>we'll never get another tragic Link like the Hero of Time
Kind of sucks. The new Links have become way too shonen and Gary-Stu within the last 13 years. I hope BoTW's Link changes things up in this regard.
>>148662040
>tragic Link like the Hero of Time
Nice headcanon. Besides shonen>Crawling in my skin.
>>148662040
I like the animu Links.
>TP Link becomes more beast than man and ultimately loses his companion and friend in the end, but ultimately still having a decent life and being insanely strong
He's probably the closest to the Hero of Time, but ultimately he's basically Goku.
>SS Link becomes some raging war god capable of destroying demons and armies, all for Zelda
SS Link was like gar as shit when you think about it.
I honestly think Nintendo went with Hero's Shade/Hero of Time and all these assumptions solely because people like it better than ALttP, at least that's the typical opinion and they feel like ALttP is the true king. I mean look it how fucking strong and based Gramps is. Probably doesn't help that the Hero of Time got hurled around time so much he couldn't remember if he was an adult or kid and when he finally became an adult and matured, Zelda tossed his ass back.
>>148662398
Shonen heroes are fucking boring. Always loud-mouthed and agressive, no grey moral area, no real inner conflict, generic "fighting for their friends" tropes, etc.
On the other hand I'm not asking for Link to become some whiny JRPG teen protagonist, that's just as bad and common. But if the intro and the known story details are anything to go by, they have something interesting planned for this Link. Hell he's the only Link without any starting town, past, previous relationships and the like since the NES days.
>>148663053
>grey moral area
please stop
>>148662398
So... you don't follow the Hyrule Historia or think the Hero's Shade being Link is canon?
>>148663117
He's not actually wrong. This by Ruto is very clear that he'd be willing to do anything in order to stop Ganondorf. It's basically the point where he finally matured into a full grown adult mentally.
>>148663274
Hero's Shade doesn't look necessary sad or tragic, honestly. He just want to tech things to another hero. Sure, he's a tad grim but what do you expect from a skelly ghost?
>>148663053
>Always loud-mouthed and agressive
That doesn't really describe any Link post OoT.
>>148663485
Then think of the Hero of Time this way.
He was bullied as a kid by Mido, the leader of the Kokiri. When the Great Deku Tree died, Mido blamed him, and everyone believed Mido. As one of the Kokiri said, only Saria took up for him, and now she's gone too, maybe we should have listened. He's thrown into the world at large not knowing anything, having to leave behind his only friend he ever had, despite finally getting a fairy and likely thinking he'll finally be accepted by the other Kokiri.
Eventually he's sealed for 7 years and is nothing more than a child in an adult body. As it releases the Sages, he tries to explain himself to Saria and why he's big now, and she has to brutally tell him and herself that they can't live in the same world anymore, only for him to shortly find out that his entire life as a Kokiri was a lie and that he's a Hylian, it was always his destiny to leave Saria and everything he knew behind. Eventually by the Spirit Temple, Kaepora Gaebora realizes that he's finally matured to an adult point, he's become wise, and leaves the Hero of Time with one final bit of advice on how to defeat Twinrova. Ultimately he saves Hyrule, fulfilling what he always wanted, to be a hero, to be liked, to be remembered, only for Zelda to thrown this finally mature man back to being a child because she wanted him to actually live out his childhood.
He then goes to Termina where everything is basically a representation of his mind and how he perceived people in Hyrule, all for Navi, the only friend he truly had left, other than Epona, and that's just a horse. This new timeline he's in, sure those people exist, but they aren't the same people he built a relationship with truly.
Ultimately he either gets reckless to pass on his competent swordsman skills, to be remembered, to be liked, or he becomes old and loses those skills with age and loses an eye and ultimately dies leaving behind a shade of regret.
He is the most tragic Link by far.
>>148664229
What happened to him might be "tragic" but in the end it doesn't necessary make him sad or a grey area hero.
Is the anon who was emulating Skyward Sword still in this thread?
I wanted to thank you for getting the Ancient Flower picture, and ask for a few more. I want a pic of all the walls in Flipper's House other than this one. I'm specifically looking for the map he has.
>>148658526
>Spirit Temple
oh shit
>>148664673
It doesn't, no. But as some other people have pointed out such as >>148663423, nothing was going to stop him, and that likely included Zelda if she had tried. It's the implications of an adult, that he has to be willing to let go of those around him if need be to see the greater outcome. It's a harsh truth he had to learn, just like he was at least filled with some regrets, which does imply some form of sadness, if only minor and needed the Song of Healing to get over that and move on, which is an ironic twist to his entire character from OoT and MM, that for the one thing he could never let go and move on from was his old life, what he was in his entirety.
Sure you can classify the events around him as tragic and not himself, but it's definitely a characterization given what we know compared to some other Links that are just along for the ride and afterwards their lives are pretty much fully intact.
>>148664902
It's a great temple. Not my favorite, but I liked having to go through it as a kid and an adult.
>>148665296
i still get nightmares from the Iron Knuckle
almost as bad as it Zelda 2 counterpart
Don't mind me. >>>/v/345236245
>>148666180
>Broken link
>Shilling /v/ threads on an already slow general
Oh, I won't mind you at all
>>148665773
Do you now?
You can deal with them pretty easily by just backflipping and jump attacking them repeatedly, or just circle strafing them and jump attacking them.
>>148666661
i was inept as a kid so inept that i fell through the floor many times in the shadow temple, took several tries to beat it. rather not do it again.
So, this happened.
>>148667418
It's not bad, I used to be inept as a kid too. I died to Queen Gohma 4-5 times before I finally beat her and went running through the house all excited. Eventually I got to the point I probably could have speedran the game legit, no glitches, just going through the game normally.
Those days are long behind me now, I know sure as shit I can't do that these days, been too long since I've played OoT, I'm rusty as hell at the game and newer games and controllers have spoiled me sadly.
Still a fantastic game that I'm glad I'm replaying along with all the other Zeldas that I'm able to and take screenshots of.
>>148667619
>Sonic Amiibo lets BotW Link run faster
>>148667619
What are the lore implications of this? Timeline?
I WANT TO FUCK FI
>>148668709
Ouchies.
>>148668351
>Sonic amiibo changes link's voice to sonic's voice
Goodnight.
>>148667893
good on ya, nice to see that zelda games can still make someone excited with childlike luster all over again.
thanks anon, you made my day. now i want play zelda all over again.
>>148670042
Godspeed anon, I'm on my last journey for OoT and after this will be MM then either MC or the two Oracle games.
>>148670020
But it's morning?
>>148671438
I thought you died
>>148671521
Yeah, and?
>>148664865
I can do that but have to give me sometime, funerals are long as shit
>>148672548
Condolences, anon.
So, you're telling me Ganondorf took out the Master Sword out of his forehead, broke the seal and took over Hyrule again?
That's pretty based.
>>148673414
Or, someone else took it out of him.
>>148673690
I don't want another Zant though.
>>148670353
havefunmy friend
>>148673414
Wow. The sword is more ruined exactly in the same portion that's inside Dorf's head.
Hmmmm
>>148673414
I prefer the idea that the Master Sword just lost its power again, which is part of why it's all rusted to shit. There's probably enough power to keep Ganondorf's physical body trapped, like how in WW there was still enough at first to play tennis with Phantom Ganon; it's just not enough to keep Ganon's spirit imprisoned.
I just want this image to be real.
>>148673768
>I don't want another Zant though.
this.
I'm tired of sidekicks.
>>148673414
Most likely it was Link who pulled it out on a quest to save the world from Vaati but then vaati attempted to revive ganon, Link killed vaati but failed since calamity ganon appeared and killed Link and he was placed in a resurrection chamber
>adult timeline
>>148669306
Considering Sonic's voice actor is also Ezio Auditore da Firenze, I wouldn't mind.
>>148674195
You have fun with whatever you do too anon.
>>148674670
nani
>>148674796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Craig_Smith
>>148658594
So this is saying Koroks exist in other timelines so BoTW doesn't have to be in the Adult one?
>>148675008
Many have said it before, but just because the Koroks came about a certain way in the events leading up to Wind Waker, that doesn't mean it's the only circumstances in which the forest spirits can take the Korok form. It's easy to just assume it's the same circumstances, but it's not impossible for it to happen for a different reason in another timeline.
>>148675008
Ignore that anon, it's just an Easter Egg. But yes, Koroks can exist in all timelines, they're a product on environment, not Great Sea specific. Based on how we see things in BotW, it would make sense that Kokiri would need to become Koroks in order to traverse large hills, plateaus, and mountains in order to spread forests around.
That is a more logical representation of where it would take place, well that and the fact that the chances of it being the adult timeline are almost 0% unless retcons happen, which is possible. It's more than likely downfall or child, with the leaning possibility being downfall most likely.
>>148675259
Why do you think it can't be in adult? More likely in the other and most likely in Downfall?
I feel the Downfall games are piling up and we need more from other timelines
>>148674879
whoa
>>148675578
A few reasons, and it'd be better for me to just go through the individual timelines, as we know it can't be before OoT as Ganon exists (unless it's retconned, which I doubt).
>Adult Timeline
At the end of OoT, there is no King, no Hyrule Castle anymore, and no Hero of Time anymore. Some time has to have passed and Hyrule Castle being rebuilt, likely over the Temple of Time as the Tower of Gods jettisons above the sea, and has very similar architecture and functionality to the Temple of Time we see in TP, so like Hyrule Castle in WW was once the Temple of Time. This is also evident that the path to Ganon's Tower is the same to Hyrule Castle in OoT. Meaning based on the time it likely took for Ganondorf to break out of the Sacred Realm and Hyrule Castle to be rebuilt, that Daphnes is OoT Zelda's son, who grew up to be King when Ganondorf broke out and the world was flooded.
Now as we know, the islands are the tops of mountains, yet the Great Sea is vastly deep, a logical assumption would be that BotW would be very Thousand Needles esque from Warcraft, or that Hyrule wasn't flooded, it was actually pulled under the sea completely, so that it retains some of it's general looks.
In BotW we see that the Temple of Time and Hyrule Castle ruins are still relatively there, albeit moved around, but still there, which they are not in WW, and I doubt Hyrule will ever be unflooded in that timeline.
>Child
Calamity Ganon has a very similar design to Twilight Ganon and could be his attempted at escaping the Twilight Realm, there is a large gap between MM and TP and the Kokiri are missing in TP, as stated in the Historia, likely became Koroks and flew away. Hyrule is vastly screwed up in TP, with chasms and valleys, and most of the areas we've seen in the BotW demo (including the Castle and how it looks) is similar to TP.
(cont.)
>>148676217
>Downfall
With Historia, the Imprisoning War has been retconned to not be OoT anymore, so there is a gap between Ganon being imprisoned in OoT, and his invasion of the Sacred Realm prior to ALttP. However this can be construed that, Ganon takes the Triforce of Wisdom and Courage from the failed Zelda and Hero of Time and is then sealed in the Sacred Realm, where he transforms it into the Dark World. But there is still an oddity and gap in there due to a third timeline and what has been stated in Historia, enough time and oddities in regards to the Imprisoning War and OoT's failure state now, that it allows for a game to take place. We also see the Master Sword in the woods as well, possible where the Great Plateau used to be in BotW, prior to being moved, because it's very evident that that part of land has been moved in some way.
It just makes more sense to take place during the Downfall or Child timelines. Downfall has a lot of variances in terms of Ganon that it would make sense.
Downfall is also the only timeline where we see only Ganon, not Ganondorf in any way, and so far we see Ganon from the get go in BotW, and it's the only timeline without a 3D console Zelda.
ONLY 5825 HOURS UNTIL BREATH OF THE WILD RELEASES
Not that it would ever happen, but if they did decide to put Malon along with Cremia and Romani in the same game, what would they do to make them visibly distinguishable? Assuming they don't want them all to remain samefags, of course.
>>148677879
Cremia = Huge tits
That's all I can think of.
>>148677879
DD cups.
D cups.
C cups.
>>148679603
>Romani with a cup size
That's just indecent.
>>148654241
>the castle is not the farm house
The fuck, man.
>>148680136
Milk is known to do that. Especially fresh farm milk.
>>148676217
I actually thought Hyrule's unlfooding was the reason for all the vast mountains and ridges.
>>148676540
>retconned to not be OoT anymore
I thought it was still OoT? Just after Link was "defeated"
>>148681509
There is a gap between Link dying to Ganon and whatever the fuck was the rebel forces that ended imprisioning him. Probably a bunch of everyone he helped led by the sages or something
Not sure what that anon is trying to say
Can't wait to cut all that grass in BOTW and get all them rupees
>>148683658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pReaO3-BS60
I still don't have any idea what he means by Cello-one style.
>>148681762
>>148681762
Yeah, im pretty sure the triple split was them making a direct prequel to Lttp, followed by two direct sequels to OoT.
>>148681762
If BotW were about the Sealing War, it would be absurdly similar in plot to OOT. Is Nintendo really that crazy?
not even hyped for the new zelda
it looks like nothing like the zelda I love and my fave game of all time.
why are you guys hyped about it?
im sure it will good tho,hopefully
>>148683806
Don't ever link that shit here again.
>>148684407
meant what not why
>>148684070
Well there's the gap I mentioned but yeah
>>148684401
It is not going to be that, the castle still looks like Hyrule, not Ganons tower and it's been only 100 that link has been sleeping.
There's no way the kokiris would turn into the koroks that fast.
>>148684407
Because reasons.
>>148675008
The Koroks evolved from the Kokiris I don't see why not. If I'm not wrong the Gorons are extinct in the Adult timeline so if we see them in BoTW that would mean the game takes place in the Child or Fallen timeline.
>>148684407
>why are you guys hyped about it?
What they've shown so far has only been the tutorial of the game, and they went above and beyond to remind you that besides the old man and Calamity Ganon, EVERYTHING plot related was removed.
It'd be like if they had shown only the first 5 mins of OoT where Link wanders around in Kokiri forest and collects the sword, buys the shield and then when he gets to the Great Deku Tree the demo ends.
There's a fuckton of potential in gameplay, exploration, exploits, towns, waifus, dungeons, locations, plot etc etc
>>148684401
The sealing war happens because there was no hero and it would make no sense to place BoTW between OoT and WW, ALTTP or TP.
>>148684985
Gorons are in Phantom Hourglass
>>148685027
would music count as plot related?
couldn't hear any over world music in the videos
it will most probably be in it tho as a zelda game without over world music would be quite stupid.
what are the chances of the wolf link amiibo being sold separately in Canada any time soon?
>>148685991
Dungeons should have their own music, and some areas/landmarks will definitely have a tune playing but an overworld theme would get tiring considering you're most likely going to spend a really fucking long time just wandering around.
As much as I love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TZdfSuVdY hearing that straight for 20+ hours while just doing all sorts of stupid shit might get tiring
And so the journey has finally come to a close.
It was fun. I used to play OoT 2-3 times a year, but I hadn't played it since I was probably 15, so 11 years ago or so. Great ride, I about teared up at the end of it all, I forgot how much I really liked OoT, it's not my favorite Zelda or anything, but I just forgot a lot more about it than I thought I had, and with all the recent Hero of Time/Hero's Shade discussion going on, it kind of got to me.
Onto MM sometime tonight or tomorrow though. Hope you anons are enjoying yourselves with Zelda or other games too.
>>148685991
No traditional over world theme, map is way too big for that, only ambiance.
>>148686336
Bill said they might consider selling wolf link amiibos before the game launches. So you'll have to wait a little while.
>>148684985
Gorons are in WW and PH, I don't remember ST.
>>148686592
no over world theme,sound like the world Is going to be dull,damn
guess replaying lttp is the way for me
Join me in offering a silent prayer, in the hope that buddies and companions will return.
BRING THE MOOSH.
>>148687070
There is music, it's just not constant, it's more like background ambiance than a persistent and loud theme constantly.
>>148687264Template in case anyone would like it.
>>148687287
just wish it would be like the other zelda.,sure the game will still be great tho.
with the bigger world hopefully we can see items which do big effects return like the medallions.
Quick test
How does this look?
>>148687592
It's possible, I mean we have a bunch of random little 'items' like the Deku Leaf and stuff.
Also Steppe Talus for instance definitely has music, it's an odd remix of clunkiness and the Hyrule Castle/Sneaking from OoT. I think it'll have enough items and music for us to be satisfied with the game quite well.
>>148687782
Looks nice
>>148687782
Fine
>>148687782
Hearts a little big, but looks fine to me personally.
>>148687528
Saved
>>148686698
I don't know. The snow place had Anouki and the sand place was a beach
>>148686698
They exist in ST too. Enough to have a whole village in both DS games. Either they repopulated after the great flood (presumably) destroyed their numbers or they migrated out of Hyrule by the time of WW to PH's sea and later ST.
>>148687871
I just don't want the major items to break or be an app on the slate.
my perfect 3d zelda would be a full 3d lttp
>>148688037
>>148688093
Yeah I don't remember as much of ST as I'd like other than Ghost Zelda and bombing bunnies.
>>148688191
Well the Fire Rod in the demo could break. So either they're all around the world and you can just make items and collect them no problem, or there will be an upgrade system like SS where you can have them not break.
Also you did technically get a 3D ALttP with ALBW. But I get what you meant. I'd rather new games honestly myself. For instance OoT was originally meant to be a remake of AoL, but we got OoT instead. I'd just have some faith.
I loved albw,such a great game and basically a love letter from nintendo.
if. the newer zelda's could take one thing from lttp I would've liked it to be the no empty field in the middle.
>>148664865
What exactly did you want from skipper?
>not playing SS with over the shoulder camera
>>148689257
The more I look at ALttP Hyrule Castle the less it makes sense based on the exterior and interior.
>>148687782
I hope the NX has a SS remaster. The game looks gorgeous even in SD. Also the game would improve a lot with out the wagglan. The wagglan killed it, SS certainly has the best dungeons.
>>148689479
Aonuma said they were discussing a SSHD actually.
Guys
Guys
What ifThey put Link's sword on his hip instead of his back
>>148689479
>The wagglan killed it, SS certainly has the best dungeons.
These two opinions are contradictory.
The dungeons are so centered around wagglan that a remaster would require entirely new puzzles in most parts. Meaning you basically are praising the """"wagglan"""" while also hating on it.
The combat is definitely slower than other zelda games, but it's very rewarding in it's own way.
You're literally fuckstupid if you want to just move your controller with no care and expect the game to not punish you for it.
>>148662040
>implying WW Link wasn't tragic.
>>148689683
Hero's Shade has it on his hip, doubt it though. It appears in BotW most of the weapons come from the back.
>>148689832
Not him, but you can easily just waggle like a stupid madman and kill enemies just fine. Hell it works best against Demise, to a point you can kill him in like 15-20 seconds.
>>148690454
>Hell it works best against Demise, to a point you can kill him in like 15-20 seconds.
Yeah then he gets the Lightning stuff out and good luck
While that anon responds to what he wants from Skipper's shack lets go back to LoZ
Currently in the process of burning Hyrule down. Level 8 hopefully soon
NX should have a SS remaster that is free of motion control. Hell, Wii U could do it, no waggle shit required.Typically, I get paid to produce and write this stuff, but the video series [which shall remain un-named] shifted direction and this was left on the floor. As evidence by the shifts in font and style etc, it should be obvious it was still conceptual and this, isn't finished. If you want to add to it, or alter it, go nuts. I give it freely for conversation and future posting.Oh, and Thrust would be on R3.Spoilered because of the Anti Game Design Squadron.
>>148690903
Why do the Os have shadow within them?
For what purpose did you do this? Why are you making me want to murder you?
>>148688528
I remember a bit more than that, like the stuff at the castle.
>>148689257
>no empty field in the middle
Minish Cap pulled off no wasted space the best in any Zelda game IMO, and far better than LttP did. Which just had an empty line in the middle instead
>>148691112
>As evidence by the shifts in font and style etc, it should be obvious it was still conceptual
We found that having the shadow inside the O made the words easier to discern as the images moved around the screen. They acted as a static point to anchor the words. It helped prevent striping/optical illusions.
The idea was dropped anyway because they are Os with shadows inside them and they look stupid.
>>148691419
So wait you get paid to be an idea guy on some youtube channel?
>>148691689
Yup.
The "Idea Guy" meme is a lie. Based on what I see, I would say 60-70% of YouTube content is a decent Idea Guy with a good looking host to put on camera.
>>148691923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssRdC0-On3s and then there's this
>>148690903
Make it like MGR.
>>148692083
>Three subs
>Support me on Patreon
>Twitter Handle
>6 views
Fucking Christ.
>>148692340
That was close to the original concept, but the Sword Mode in our conceptual SS remake was focused more on the 1v1 gameplay of SS rather than the fucking awesome hack and slash gameplay of MGR.
Each fight in SS is a small 1v1, even when there's multiple enemies. It's the nature of the Z-Targeting system.
>Nintendo is always full Jew when it comes to music
>Miya fucking moto had to beg them to allow SMG to have Orchestrated music
What are the chances we aren't getting music simply because Nintendo is cutting corners?
>Sit through a dozen new minute BotW videos on youtube
>Not a single one had new information or gameplay
I don't know why I bothered, E3 was a month ago.
>yfw Zelda's Lullaby is The balled of the Goddess backwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvnu3syrbYU
Also at what point in the timeline was the song reversed? Was it in OoT? Is this why Zelda is retarded and sent Link back in time to suffer?
>>148693185
>a dozen new minute BotW videos on youtube
Link em, Link.
>>148693083
But there is music
>>148693185
>E3 was a month ago.
Good god
>>148693185
If there's no new Gamexplain video or Nintendo Life article there's no new information
>>148693731
It was all gameplay stolen or reuploaded from older demo vids or joke interviews. You don't want to watch them, trust me.
>>148693185
Prepare for an info hiatus until the Zelda direct.
Whatever happened to the Nintendo Twitch stream from Hyper Japan that was supposed to have Zelda? I can't find shit.
>>148693496
>Song that powers the goddess played backwards.
>The goddess must be kept asleep, so that Zelda will remain mortal.
>>148689398
A first-person view of the entire map please.
Also, my condolences on your friend or family member.
>>148694956
Like this? It just loops over and overThanks, it was my grandma. Thing is she was 105 and got pretty bad this week, so it didn't come out of nowhere and while it was sad news, we all are happy that she passed away simply sleeping and not in a painful way or anything like that.
>Robots arrive from across the sea.
>Hyrule puts them to work in the mines.
So when is the next chance for fresh BoTW news? I say mid-late september.
>>148696496
February
>>148693083
There's orchestrated music, but expect half of it to be minimal low-budget shit done with a piano in the name of "immersion" and "atmosphere."
Got a new PC, dedicated to being connected to my TV. Been testing emulators. I must now nominate Ico and Yorda as honorary Link and Zelda.
>>148696151
>Hylia also forces some random new hero to be exist forever just because she had a girl boner for him
>>148684407
I hated it at first, but it's slowly growing on me due to some of its AI and game mechanics. I agree that it doesn't remind me of classic Zelda at all though. The game's look and feel reeks of neo-Nintendo shit - AKA overly bright, sterile and not really immersive at all.
So far I'm 6-7/10 hyped for it. I have a feeling the gameplay will be fun/decent, but completely fall apart in most other fields - namely immersion.
>>148693496
>tfw Zelda sent link back to a new timeline
>tfw the timeline we were playing in at the beginning of the game becomes LttP
It's like pottery
>>148697071
Seems like Hyrule gets to play all innocent and have Link save them mainly from the consequences of the evil things that Hyrule does between the games.
Why is Ganondorf such an asshole when he was born with all the pussy he could ever want waiting for him?
>>148697247
>>tfw the timeline we were playing in at the beginning of the game becomes LttP
It becomes the Adult one since the player wins.
The child timeline is then created and we watch as Link goes back in time and meets zelda again.
Downfall timeline exists because Link loses, but we never see this happen.
>>148697765
They're all genetic clones of himself, and full of sand.
>>148697787
I saw it happen.When I lost.
>>148697765
Destiny and Demise
>>148697852
>Evil Realm
So we have Normal world, Sacred Realm and Dark Realm?
>>148697831
The Game Over state isn't Downfall. If that were the case, every single game would have one, but only OoT does. It's due to some type of shenanigans with the Temple of Time.
>>148697787
I like the idea that the downfall line existed first in the multiverse, but Cia wanted a new ending for the hero, and leaked the song of storms into Hyrule as a subtle boost of Link's chances.
>>148697914
The Dark World is the Sacred Realm. It's only like that because Ganondorf touched the Triforce.
>>148697993
It's not timefuckery
>>148698089
There was something oh so stupid with that post, I can't recall though.
>>148697993
HH states that the downfall line is the effect of Link loosing the final fight with Ganon. Link still did all the heroics, and awakened the sages.
>>148698220
HH is fucking shit
>>148698297
Yeah, but it's canon.
>>148698297
That's irrelevant.
It's canon.
>>148698089
According to Historia, the Child Timeline is the main timeline, that is the one that got branched. Which makes absolutely zero sense considering the Adult Timeline is the natural progression and Child only stems due to the events of Zelda.
>>148698181
So you're telling me a game that deals heavily in time-travel, that has a temporal loop, and a completely new alternate universe/timeline created at the very end just to send one man back to being a child after he had already matured into an adult is not timefuckery?
So does that make OoA, SS, and TP not timefuckery as well, despite dealing with very similar problems?
If OoT is the only game where there is a game over state and where it's mentioned, then there is a reason for that and it's due to a relation of time, therefore timefuckery, therefore the Temple of Time. If anything it gives an explanation for the temporal loop. Only three games deal with that location and time travel, SS, OoT, and TP. TP's can easily be explained. SS and OoT are the two oddities, yet SS doesn't create a branch, and yet OoT does, solely because of the Master Sword and the Pedestal of Time in the Temple of Time, whereas SS uses dedicated Time Gates.
>>148698508
Link was defeated by ganon
That's why the downfall timeline exists
Literally, the only reason
>>148698220
Yes, but the case of that is still due to time shenanigans that causes that problem to arise in the first place.
>>148698508
I don't see how there is such a thing as a "main timeline". Timelines are all essentially equal. Existence is basically boolean.
>>148698608
Then there are 16 timelines, simple as that.
>>148698656
By who? A dead Link can't go back and improve his odds, and a winning Link is done and no longer in a position to lose.
>>148698709
Main as in, that was the natural progression of how things should have went. Downfall and Child only exist due to random shenanigans. They shouldn't exist. Just like how in DBZ, Future Trunks' timeline is the main one, the Cell and Manga (Post Frieza) Timeline only exist because of him.
>>148697765
Because muh sand.
>>148698804
There could be, Nintendo just hasn't made games in them.
Theoretically, they could've picked any game with Ganon to throw the Downfall timeline after a game over of. OoT made sense because it's a really popular game, so splitting the timeline there would've been easy for people to figure out, and the Child/Adult timeline was already going to happen because of timefuckery, but you don't need an extra level of timefuckery to explain the Downfall timeline.
>>148698804
Only three with games placed on them.
>>148698943
None of the three are a natural progression. Link only saves the sages by using time travel, so it is a part of both the adult and downfall lines. A natural progression would require a 4th completely unseen timeline in which Link never travels in time to begin with.
>>148698804
There are an infinite number nigger
>>148698898
Hero of Time A causes a break in time (likely due to Song of Storms).
This causes Hero of Time B/Downfall to exist.
Hero of Time A succeeds.
Hero of Time B fails.
If two timelines exist concurrently over each other where the same person exists, then there is logically two of that people existing concurrently within two separate timelines. That means one can easily fail and one can easily succeed, but there is a reason for those two timelines to exist. The Hero of Time can in no way both fail and succeed at the exact same moment in time, that's a physical impossibility unless there was already a prior split in which for that to happen.
This is why people need to stop introducing time travel to their stories, they don't know how to make it make logical sense and not cause problems, especially when they themselves try to explain it.
>>148698804
>>148699242
>>148699239
They are not canon.
The reason why the only Link to have ever been defeated in canon was the Hero of Time in Ocarina of Time has yet to be disclosed. As it is right now you just have to accept that he was not on the level of any other link who went against and defeated ganon and won simply because Nintendo said so.
>>148699335
The song of storms was already there when Link pulls out a win. Winner Link can't be the original author. It has to come from an earlier version of Link.
>>148699184
Nintendo in no way, will make more timelines unless they reboot Zelda.
>>148699239
>Only three with games placed on them.
See above, it means there are canonically only three timelines unless they say otherwise, not 16, meaning no other game has a game over state timeline. Meaning it is special to OoT for a reason.
>None of the three are a natural progression. Link only saves the sages by using time travel, so it is a part of both the adult and downfall lines. A natural progression would require a 4th completely unseen timeline in which Link never travels in time to begin with.
The Child Timeline doesn't exist during OoT until the very end. The Hero of Time we play as is literally just going backwards in time until before he pulled the Master Sword out. His natural progression is Age 17, after he was sealed for 7 years. That is his time. Child only exists due to Zelda sending him back, yet still retaining the Adult Timeline, this makes the Child Timeline an alternate universe/timeline, it's not the same.
>>148699242
There are 3 for the mainline games, there will only ever be 3 for the mainline games. There are not an infinite unless they themselves come out and say it or retcon something.
>>148699518
And who is to say Hero of Time A and B were ever an adult at the same time? B could have easily have been Young Link during that time, whereas A could have been an Adult.
>>148699393
Because Nintendo said so has been the norm since 2002. I don't see the point in arguing about the timeline cohesiveness when half of the games don't fit with each other.
It has to do with how Shiggy acts, he probably thought it would be cool to split the timeline with out thinking on how complicated it would be to link all the games together. If all the Zelda games where self contained stories in a FF fashion we wouldn't had this pointless debates.
>>148699393
>The reason why the only Link to have ever been defeated in canon was the Hero of Time in Ocarina of Time has yet to be disclosed.
I do wonder, what triggered him to lose? What changed in that timeline that prompted him to lose, Ganon to win?
>>148699794
>Because Nintendo said so has been the norm since 2002.
I hate this kind of shit
>>148699896
Ganon stabbed him when the sword flew
There
Easy
>>148699794
Or they could have just went with something other than "Link fails" to create the third timeline.
>>148699778
The game says that only Link's soul travels in time. His body is basically in storage. That prevents time travel clones.
>>148696151
>force robots to work in the mines event though it's destroying the environment
>unleash a bunch of demons that somehow exist within the surface of the earth
>??????
>get fucked
Speaking of timeshift stones, I kind of wonder if they're like the Hyrulean equivalent to the life stream? Maybe a concentrated essence of it? We know that demons likely emerged from the Timeshift stone mines but why? We also know that they're full of immense magic which are capable of warping reality (like time,) and they act as the essence for creating artificial life, like the robots?
>>148699896
LTTP existed first. The loss had to be the original ending of the fight..
>>148699965
No it doesn't. I just replayed the game, nowhere does it say that. It just says he can return to being a child if he places the Master Sword back, prior him having pulled it and been sealed in the first place.
>>148699950
There were plenty of theories like that before the official timeline, people used to theorize OoT Link stayed inside the sacred realm triggering the Imprisoning Wars, that was way back before WW.
>>148697647
>Seems like Hyrule gets to play all innocent and have Link save them mainly from the consequences of the evil things that Hyrule does between the games.
Pretty much.
Link is just a dumb pawn that exists to clean up the messes left from a previously corrupt generation, and to fight off evil before things get out of hand.
>>148700168
>OoT Link stayed inside the sacred realm
Why would that happen though?
>>148700102
No, OoT ends with Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm after having corrupted it into the Evil Realm/Dark World.
WW and TP are the games that actually screw things up by being direct sequels.
>>148700130
The first time you travel, he tells you about it. Link was too weak to use the sword, so he slept all those years until he was stronger.
>>148699938
>Ganon stabbed him when the sword flew
But what prompted the the fight to end that way if he had the same exact set up in the Adult timeline?
There has to be something that made his death inevitable in that timeline.
>>148700168
Honestly an easier way to do it would have been to have the third timeline branch from SS, through the Demise/Imprisoned Paradox, as opposed to OoT. That way there is a large enough gap in between those two games where they could fit a new Imprisoning War and a variety of other games if they so pleased, for instance BotW would fit perfectly in a scenario such as that.
>>148700270
>Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm after having corrupted it into the Evil Realm/Dark World.
That's the LTTP sealing war as told by LTTP. LTTP existed before OOT, it's simply an older game.
>>148693496
Don't ever post this again, now we have a retarded discussion ongoing about how time works.
so i've always considered myself a fan of zelda games but there were some glaring omissions in which ones i had completed
finished twwhd couple days ago for the first time. fucking amazing game, real sense of adventure. loved setting camera angle in front of the boat, looking back as i was sailing.
reply with zelda which most surprised u with how awesome it was
>>148700335
Yes, that is a natural progression. His body was there, his soul was there. 7 actual years pass. When he goes back in time, it doesn't mean he's still also in the Sacred Realm, it means he just went back in time prior to himself pulling the Master Sword in the first place, Sheik tells you this when she teaches you the Prelude to Light.
>>148700397
The essential item of the fight was the Light Arrows, given to Link by Zelda after Link awakens the sages. We know that the sages are essential to the downfall line, so the only remaining necessary item are those arrows. Find out where Zelda got the Light Arrows from to begin with.
>>148700548
>he can't handle the time bants
>>148700548
Time travel can only work so many ways.
>>148700635
>reply with zelda which most surprised u with how awesome it was
OoT and MM, which were both revolutionary for their time in different ways.
Everything has been a disappointment since, and they've only gotten increasingly disappointing with each and ever new major console installment.
I have some hope for BoTW though. It'll at least be better than SS and WW.
>>148700635
LoZ
It's really fucking good, and oh boy when you figure out some stuff it makes you feel stupid.Pic related, fucking fuck
>>148700775
She got them from the Gods/Goddesses, she mentions this before she's kidnapped by Ganondorf, that they're given to those destined. You also see her do this in TP.
>>148700647
Link only goes back to before the sword, when Zelda sends him back. None of his other travels return to a point before his previous departure. Link is stored in the Sacred Realm whenever he isn't roaming Hyrule.
>>148700635
WW, everyone had so much character and emotion, I really loved it, and I've loved seeing characters in Zelda progressively getting more emotion and characterization as the series goes on, that includes Link. He's very expressive and emotional during SS for instance.
>>148700775
Maybe Zelda got incapacitated when the castle collapsed, so Link didn't have her help in the fight.
>>148700635
I don't usually have a ton of expectations going into games, so I don't know if any games have surprised me. I guess I'd go with Skyward Sword, mostly because I seemed to enjoy it more than most people.Though I haven't replayed it since beating it, so it's not like it blew me away.Also please learn to type.
>>148700820
>It'll at least be better than SS and WW.
But anon, both of those games are fantastic.
>>148700635
Go play TPHD right the fuck now. It's awesome and Midna is perfect
>>148700946
Either those items were overlooked in the downfall scenario, or Link just didn't win because he sucked in some other way. If we are trying to come up with an excuse that involves outside intervention, than someone went back and revised things by inputting an alteration for a do-over. The alteration could be something else, but the arrows appear at just the right time in the game.
>>148701283
>sneakily and subtly trying to bring in Cia
I want Chococrazy to be canon please.
>>148701015
No, Zelda sends him back before they even met. If she had sent him back to that point, then she wouldn't have been in the Castle for him to have met her in the end, nor would there have been any form of Government or Soldiers in which arrest Ganondorf leading towards TP. He'd have already taken over Hyrule Castle. She can only send him back to before they met, but after the Kokiri's Emblem, so she'd recognize him as the boy from her prophetic dream, so they could work together.
Also him also being stored while he's existing doesn't make any sense. That means a timeline would have to be created right then and there, and every single time he needed to time-travel which is at least twice. Meaning he would have created two timelines, on top of the one he is currently existing as well, not counting the Child/Adult split that Zelda creates, causing 4 timelines.
He's only sealed in the Sacred Realm once he removes the Master Sword from the pedestal so that 7 years may pass, that's it. The time period of him being a Child is gone at that point., he just forcibly re-opens it when things need to get done, which changes his own timeline in accordance, but once he pulls that Master Sword again, it's gone once more. Zelda just straight up creates a completely new variant of it and throws his ass into it.
>>148701385
I'm not sure Nintendo even owns her, even though she was basically retroactively put in charge of time travel.
>>148700820
mm is next on my list i think! been eyeing it up on wiiu vc, i like the spooky zeldas
>>148701114
ye for real, chasing the lil kids around windfall i was getting 2 attached
>>148701168
whats wrong with my typing? i can do 50 wpm
>>148701229
actually, tp is my favourite game, completed the original like 4 times. prob gonna buy hd soon so i can have a dogger in botw
>>148701567
>actually, tp is my favourite game
Based, you made it sound like you barely had played Zelda games.
I hope you played OoT before MM.
>dogger
Don't do that
>>148658526
>Link never saw Midna again
>Twilight Princess Link became another Hero's Shade because he couldn't have any Half-Twili children with Midna to pass on his ability to
>>148700239
Believe it or not there were people who proposed a third alternative universe before Nintendo.
It was OoT-MM, OoT-WW and OoT-ALTTP basically Ganondorf seals or kills young link after he enters the realm takes the triforce of courage and later on takes the whole triforce then ALTTP comes in.
There was so much bullshit like this, I missed it.
>>148701283
The most logical assumption is that the Master Sword just simply gets knocked back further away against Ganon, so he doesn't have time to go and actually get it.
Personally the most logical assumption is that he does something that causes a break in time due to the Temple of Time or the Master Sword, and he just happens to fail for whatever reason, maybe the two influence each other in some way and the Hero of Time that succeeds happens to win first, and is sent back, so he can't be of influence anymore, so the other one fails.
I have no problem with three timelines, but they really should have thought more about it and how it actually worked. There isn't a single Zelda game where there isn't some type of paradox due to time travel, not a single one.
>>148701283
>If we are trying to come up with an excuse that involves outside intervention
Either outside intervention or an event that would cause a timesplit into a timeline where Link's defeat is inevitable.
>>148701476
>No, Zelda sends him back before they even met. If she had sent him back to that point, then she wouldn't have been in the Castle for him to have met her in the end, nor would there have been any form of Government or Soldiers in which arrest Ganondorf leading towards TP. He'd have already taken over Hyrule Castle. She can only send him back to before they met, but after the Kokiri's Emblem, so she'd recognize him as the boy from her prophetic dream, so they could work together.
That's what I just said, because YOU said the opposite.
>Also him also being stored while he's existing doesn't make any sense. That means a timeline would have to be created right then and there, and every single time he needed to time-travel which is at least twice. Meaning he would have created two timelines, on top of the one he is currently existing as well, not counting the Child/Adult split that Zelda creates, causing 4 timelines.
I'm the one who said there were no clones to begin with. He's stored because he isn't using his body. He isn't using his body because his soul is traveling in time.
>He's only sealed in the Sacred Realm once he removes the Master Sword from the pedestal so that 7 years may pass, that's it. The time period of him being a Child is gone at that point., he just forcibly re-opens it when things need to get done, which changes his own timeline in accordance, but once he pulls that Master Sword again, it's gone once more. Zelda just straight up creates a completely new variant of it and throws his ass into it.
It's one long span. His soul returns to the last moment he left from. His body is still stored in the sacred realm because he goes forward to win the game. There are no breaks in his body's storage. He never goes back to before he leaves until Zelda does it.
>>148701502
Based on what I know of copyright, since HW is a licensed game Nintendo should own everything in it as part of the Zelda franchise. Unless they're idiots with bad lawyers.
>>148701567
Capital letters and punctuation. Use them.
>>148701752
TP Link at least still had his other friends and stuff. What did OoT Link have? Alternate versions of the people he actually knew.
>>148701926
>His body is still stored in the sacred realm
This is a dumb concept
You're implying that when Link is in his adult body, there is still a child's body in the sacred realm
