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TBC edition

/wpsg/ guilds:
TBC:
<Not About That Life> L4G, alliance

WotLK:
<No Queue> - Gamer District, Horde 7x (on the brink of death)
<MOLTEN> - Warmane (Icecrown), Alliance 8x (practically nonexistant)


>unironically playing cata
<wpsg> - Atlantiss, Alliance 1x
kys senna

>Where can I get game clients?
http://pastebin.com/mxjmsr3t

>How do I connect to [server]?
1. Register on a private server that hosts the same game client you have.
2. Copy their realmlist URL. This can usually be found on the main page of the website or on their registration page.
3. Look for a realmlist.wtf file in your WoW folder. This may either be in the root folder, or inside Wow/Data/enUS/
4. Open the realmlist.wtf file in a text editor such as Notepad and paste in the realmlist settings of the server. Make sure it starts with 'set realmlist' followed by the realmlist URL.
5. Launch the game from wow.exe and enter your account info.

>I have set the realmlist correctly but it still connects me to XYZ server/says invalid login info.
You will need a clean wow.exe and dll files if you downloaded your WoW client from XYZ server. Check the clients section above.

>How do I stop my client from auto-updating?
• Start the game with wow.exe - not launcher.exe
• Don't use your email for logging in, use your account name.
• Find the patchlist file in your installation and remove it.

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>>148111953
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Are we on hellfire or Quel'thalas? (tbc guild)
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No one is actually playing on L4G its a joke guild
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nth for everyone is dumb except me
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>>148341364
hellfire tell me your name
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>>148341513
i'm gonna make a char later tonight.
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>>148341513
I'm in too, making a char asap.
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www.dalaran-wow.com
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>>148341210
>gd guild
>lolten guilds

even with it short lifespan You outlived everything
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>>148341996
You is still going to do 10 mans I think
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>tfw literally everyone getting ready to reroll on l4g
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>>148342453
Is Cobe leading it? He was talking about TBC not too long ago.
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>11 posts
>7 posters

guess who's the samefag
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this is why no wpsg guild will ever last longer than few months
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>>148341473
t. person suffering from dunning-kruger syndrome
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>mfw normie friends invite me to play with them on l4g and offer me an 80 with t4
Still don't wana play there desu
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not gonna lie it was pretty satisfying to watch <you> get crushed by ulduar after months of farming naxxramas and pretending like it was some kind of elite raiding guild
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>>148344858
>haven't eaten in 24 hours
>some nigger posts crispy as fuck poutine

R. Eee Ermey
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>>148344858
I don't think anyone important to the guild had any delusions about it being elite. Cobe even said repeatedly that the guild was awful.
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>>148344858
you have a food named after the russian president? lol how cucked is your country
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>>148344858
what does months of farming naxx have to do with anything? turnover forcing us to raid with severely undergeared new players with little ways to gear them up fast because its a progressive low rate server killed the guild.
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>>148345337
>[raid dodging naxx gear runs intensifies]
>WHY IS EVERYONE IN GREENS
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>>148344858
>elite
>ELITE

top kek
even you can believe this shit you just wrote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fhVOSDzQRo
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>>148345464
Would you want to keep doing Naxx after having just done it for 4 months? Don't think so.

That aside, the fact that literally nobody but Asscobra put together 10 man groups was a problem too. 10 man Ulduar gear is great for catching up.
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>>148345464
There were weekly naxx 25 runs
You cant reset your id and farm saph/kt like on gd
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>>148345337
i'm saying you guys had bloated egos from your success in naxxramas and ulduar deflated that shit with the quickness
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>>148346028
lol what
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>>148346028
Who had a "bloated ego" from raiding fucking Naxx? Name one person. We did just fine in Ulduar. Most people just didn't care about doing HMs so couple that with turnover and a progressive server and you got a dead guild. If <You> had been on GD it would have been much more successful.
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>>148344983
>>148346028
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>>148346028
I got the same feel from reading this general. <You> is quite annoying they just can't see it from the inside.
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>>148346702
You have autism.
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>>148346702
Are you okay?
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Lets have a rate list. This time I want your best / worst voices.


Best:
1) Chicken
2) Cobe
3) datboi

Worst:
1)Thrang
2) the paladin tank from pickles first AA revival
3) Thrang
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>>148347125
Cobe, Welp and Hg have really soothing voices.

Thrang and Datboi are like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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>>148347125
check has the best voice by far it makes me swoon
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>>148347292
also best feet
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>>148347125
My list
Best:
1. Check
2. Cobe
3. Hg

Worst:
1. Tyrranis
2. Thrang
3. Datboi/Yarrick/Pancakes/Mememeister/Pickles/Senna
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>>148347125
best

greg
greg
greg
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>worried about my voice
>don't appear on either list
That's a-ok senpai.
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>>148347609
>hating based adidas senna
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>>148347285
If the three of them made a talk show they'd get a large following.
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>>148347125
Cobe, Welp and HG probably had best voices. Senna, Qxc and Deimous for funniest. Raato for most robotic.

Thrang probably worst but I may be biased since I just don't like hearing him. Mememeister/Valind is awful too but again I'm biased in the same way.
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>>148347125
BEST
1.Oats
2.Check
3.Pickles
WORST
1.Doc
2.Thrang
3.Senna
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>>148347937
I forgot to add Pancakes since he hasn't played in a while. He has a very slow and steady method of speaking which is weird at first but nice.

There were a bunch of other people I don't enjoy hearing but aren't specifically bad.
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>>148347937
Actually I also forgot to add the Aussies too. That's all I can think of
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>>148347125
Verdy's mom
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>>148347686
Only list that matters
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>>148347125
Of all time?
Best -
1) Kuvis
2) Keijo
3) Asscobra

Worst -
1) Docfrosty
2) Meerkatz
3) Borlina
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>>148347125
Best:
1. slerp with his finnish accent
2. good old white man Cuttiepie

Worst:
greg because he never speaks.
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>>148349698
>Borlina
>Meerfatz
I approve
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Yo are we actually doin' shit with Hellfire now? I'm down if this is gonna be a real thing.
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>>148328162
LK10 is quite hard, but it's still easier than 25man because it's much easier to find and coordinate 10 good people with adequate gear. Same with Sindragosa, it's pretty hard on 10man, but it's much more likely that you will find a group that will do it on 10man.
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>>148348073
>>148347937
>>148347609
>>148347285
>>148347125
Dont worry ladies, I'll keep serenading you with my sweet, soothing voice.
Maybe I could even sing you a song next raid.

<3
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>memes
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>>148352561
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>>148352561
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>>148349753
Why would I speak when I'm not raid leading?
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>>148354543
i never lead and im vocal as fuck

mainly because i dont talk to people irl so it keeps my sanity in check
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its over

just come back to tod, finish ulduar > toc >icc
and never fucking come back to this shitty xpac again
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back from the ded
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>>148355217
Lol no. GDkids killed an already dying <You> and now they're stuck with the mess they made. Good luck
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Someone from the l4g guild post a screenshot of the roster
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>playing anything other than wotlk
I started in wotlk and I can tell you anything before is shit and cata ruined WoW. which wotlk server should we start new on?
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>>148358148
rising gods.de

Let me know by tomorrow how dead your guild is
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>>148358148
People get nostalgic about Vanilla because they were young when they played it when in actuality Vanilla is fucking boring.

TBC didn't get good until TK and then all of Hyjal was shit, BT was a total chore and very boring until Mother and Sunwell was when the expansion actually got good. The most fun I had in TBC was doing ZA timed runs.

T7 was literal cancer, T8 was amazing but not that difficult if you had a good guild, T9 was a joke, T10 was fun for awhile.

Some Cata raids are a lot of fun but the expansion itself definitely killed WoW.
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someone on l4g invite goated
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>>148358450
vanilla isn't boring. mc might be one of the worst if not the worst raid zones of all time, but bwl was ok and zg, aq, and naxx were all goat. 40 man raids made everything feel grander even if you needed simple mechanics because coordinating 40 people was difficult. rotations aren't hard wotlk+ unless you're braindead so it doesn't matter if you're hitting 1 button or 3. everything took more time which made achieving anything feel more rewarding. wpvp, avs that took forever, the list could go on.
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>>148359494
oh yea? well fuck u
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>>148347609
Sup yarrick
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>>148359494
>zg was goat
No, fuck that raid for making a 2 piece ring set but making the individual rings shit
I was stuck with 1 ring for months while some cunt got it the first week and never showed up again
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>>148360801
>yarrick
>calling himself the worst anything
you aren't a good shitposter
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>cata guild is dead after 3 weeks

just
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>>148341589
>>148341810
If you're trying to join Not About That Life, just invite someone in the guild to your group when you get on the server.
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>its another wipe on easy hardmodes for 4 hours episode
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Roster pic?
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>>148349698
>Keijo
Where's Ilmari ? Ralli enklanti of the gods
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>>148359494
try to lose some weight that would also take a lot of time and feel rewarding
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Just a friendly reminder that Airman the mage in Molten is Greentoilet from wpsg GD.
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>>148363405
>leaves ToD to go play on molten
LOL CANNOT MAKE IT UP
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>>148363405
Literally who cares
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>>148363405
Why do I even carry you in arena, also who cares :DD
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>>148363405
stupid belgium :DD
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>pickles says stop dps
>senna yells out continue
>we kill the boss
Fuck you Pickles
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I don't understand the senna talks bad english meme. Sounds fine to me.
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>>148365874
his pronunciation is fine, it just takes him time to find the word for what he wants to say sometimes
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>>148365874
skall
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>>148343483

none acknowledged because it is the truth
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>>148367150
More like
WIPENATION XD
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do you know that feel when you think someone is like really elite and inclusive based on their character and name but then speak to them or hear their voice and everything is totally different ?
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>>148367150
#VAPENAISHYALL
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doomwalker
3 horde / 3+ ally guilds

do people actually play vinjinz??
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>>148366786
this man looks like he might actually be capable of performing magic
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>give doc bis t11h fire mage trinket
>he leaves

i wouldnt have given him the loot desu
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>>148347609
let me fix this for you
>best list
>people who dont come in voip ever
>worst list
>people who actually come in voip
nice.
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>>148370796
Cobe and check were just in voip are you okay?
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>>148371892
>check literally only comes in for raids 2 days a week for maybe 4 hours in those two days
>cobe literally only comes in when people fucking beg him to come in and even then we get some lame ass fucking excuse
yeah ok fucking retard, lets sit here and play technicality games like fucking 12 year olds.
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>>148370796
Excuse me Yarrick? My list doesn't have anything to do with how often people get in VOIP
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why arent we using dkp epgp or loot council?
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>>148372440
Senna is actually fucking retarded when it comes to loot. Gives Bell to Docfrosty and then gives Heart of Rage to some newbie shitter paladin. Probably going to quit if we have less than 22 people next raid
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>>148372773
good post pickles
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>>148372929
good post cobe
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>>148373082
no
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>>148358450

Cata saw a bright little shine of glory at the start, could've reached the apex of wow if done right.

But then Firelands came out and they nerfed HCs.

they took the activision path and then WoW went to ruin from that (Dragon Soul is actually the official WoW killer)
But don't shit on Cata as a whole, because T11 was perfect
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l4g is such shit
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>>148374197
t. pickles' phone
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>>148374441
im not banned though
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>>148374441
You have a shit guild on a shit server

Doa as fuck
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>>148374498
would you like to be?
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>>148374608
Thanks dude, you too :^)
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>>148374608
>bc
>not instantly better than wrath or cata
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www.dalaran-wow.com
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Epgp is shit
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Pickles, stop shitposting and come back
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Reminder that if you are tired of hopping to dead servers you could always go farm ICC on Warmane Icecrown. The server is packed with thousands of player at any given time of the day. It really feels like you have gone back to the golden days of WoW.
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Why are wpsg guilds always alliance, alliance is always fucking trash
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>>148376538
too bad its scripted like sh*t
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>>148376550
the fuck are you even talking about kid all the last guilds were horde
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fuck pickles
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>>148377368
why
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>>148377368
pickles is an annoying fucking faggot with a bitchly voice and no brain.
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dead like the entire raid on nefarian

fuck pickles
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\/4P3 /\/4T10N
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>walk back to stormwind
>there's a horde raid on top of the bank/AH
just fuck my shit up
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>>148379227
We killed nef on the first pull after pickles left
Proving he was the problem all along
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>>148379227
i was hungry and needed to get food
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>>148379708
pickles literally doesn't care about raid success, only his dps

I remember one time he combusted our 2 melees and a tank in heroic chogall just to boost his dps.
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cucked
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>>148368839
anon are you wunsen or is that just wunsen's screenshot?
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>>148380771
>Cuckumbers on number 3
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>>148381065
he was playing frost
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>>148381103
>he
stop talking in 3rd person pickles
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is priest healing shit in cata
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>>148380771
post logs
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>>148380960
it's me
why do you ask?
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>new thread
>has TBC as OP's pic
>there's a tbc guild
>get hopes up
>l4g
Seriously? Why not Hellground or Excalibur?
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>>148381370
no you're just shit kierith
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>>148381065
i was #1 until i had to swap to mage armor because i ran out of mana
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>>148381475
>I was first until my dps stabilized from the initial burst that my memespec has

:^)
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>>148381469
really? if so we're in the same guild, neat
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>>148381475
you quit the raid like a little bitch faggot that you are

get the fuck out of our guild you beta cuck faggot
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:^)
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>>148381839
i went to get food lol?
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>>148381440
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/550i6x8goybrzdli/
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>>148382169
>that dps difference
>including trash

ay.
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>>148381471
There is nothing wrong with LFG. Stop being such an autist and have some fun.
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>>148382229
and you never told anyone about it forcing us to wait more than 10 minutes

fuck you

i hope senna sees reason and gkicks both you and docfrosty
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>>148383058
agreed need docfrosty and alex pickrell out of the guild ASAP
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>tfw every second in cata <wpsg> raids eats at what little soul you have left
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>>148383295
make sure to raid on monday so the world ends up with one less weebshit when you inevitably kill yourself
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>>148383295
please delete this image it is too lewd for /vg/wpsg
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<No Queue> LFM for funserver WotLK raiding on Gamer District (Horde)
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>>148380771
>Pickles top 5
>Thrang top 5
>Greg below both of them

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON <WPSG>
How shit are you people?
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>>148384132
Destro isn't a single target spec also it's bugged
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>>148384132
pickles (me) is always top 5 you diaperslurp
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>>148384132
Unlucky misses from debuff honestly
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>>148380771
>Pontos

Who?
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Hey guys

We're going to be trying a Naxx25 tomorrow on ToD at 20:00 Server time (11am PST / 2pm EST).
Gear doesnt matter, just show up, we'll be pugging to fill since we probably won't get 25.

Maybe if we get the right setup we'll just do 10 or something, I dunno, we'll be playing it by ear.
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>>148384890
gay portugese fag
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>>148385040
"no."
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>>148385040
who invited you back to the guild?
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>>148385114
nice post pickles
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>>148385040
Who are you?
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I logged onto Warmane Icecrown (That's http://www.warmane.com/ if you are curious) and everything was so smooth it really made me feel I've gone back to the golden days of WoW! Everything was perfectly scripted and the people spoke English very well! The server was packed with thousands of players, more players than Atlantiss even.

I recommend Warmane Icecrown as the best WoTLK experience.
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>>148383295
>tfw despite never having 25 people and wiping because a good percentage of the not-25 people are shit it's fun
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What happened to Shrek? I couldn't raid for a while since school started again and my mother wouldn't let me on the pc. Are we dead?
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>>148385040
>ToD
its ded friend just let go
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>>148385723
stop this
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>>148385928
it was >400 total earlier today, the server is mostly european and it is bedtime there
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Hello friends, this a post adressing our Atlantiss players

I originally wanted to contact Senna in game but due to raid logging, its impossible. So i decided to post it in the thread instead for everyone to see.

Lately me and several other players have noticed that the loot distribution is configured in a very weird fashion. New people with low dps are given better items over old members with good dps. I think its unfair to punish those who spend time and effort upgrading their character. How can a new guy, one week in guild, deserve a trinket over old members? Was it because he was using funny memes? Was it because he said something?

If things dont change, there will be consequences. I dont mean this as some caveman threat of smashing your face. I mean it as there will be several people not logging in to raid with you guys anymore.
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>>148387023
I like this old meme.
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>>148387023
haha, nice try me, and by me i mean Pickles
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>>148380771
That feeling when you freshly hit 85 and do horse shit dps.
;_;
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>>148387023
literally no-one cares foozer

if you actually had a problem and you were a member of the guild you would bring it up with senna/ one of the officers
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>>148387928
It's okay you did the most dps in my heart
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>>148387928
it could be worse; you could be frapso with a heroic bow and a bunch of ebins doing 10k dps
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>>148387023
don't log in then nerd see if we care
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>>148385928
what the actual fuck they have literally less than 30 people online atm for both factions combined
how do you even kill a server like this coming from 2000 pop
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>>148388405
Naxx.
3 months of fucking Naxx.
I hope new wotlk progressive servers are smart and start with Ulduar
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wpsg top 3

1. garbage/sythqt
2. celie
3. avaslut

ps. i really wan to fuck you avanine hit me up sometime
let my winner dick penetrate you
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>>148388485
But Ulduar is a trash tier raid that only autists like, anon.
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>>148389283
Then what is fucking Naxx?

Ulduar/ToC/ICC is 100x more fun than Naxx
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>>148389413
Naxx is fun because Im not very good at this game but I like being rewarded for my mediocrity.

t. Yarrick
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>>148389247
don't talk about my gf like that
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>>148389247
>1. garbage/sythqt
Literally who
>2. celie
I'll give you this one, Celie is an amazing consistent player, sad that he can't play anymore
>3. avaslut
If he/she didn't have chat enabled, he/she would've been one of the best players in <You>
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>>148389746
wait what happened to celie O_O????????
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>>148390006
He's a normie wagecuck now
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>>148389746
>If he/she didn't have chat enabled, he/she would've been one of the best players in <You>
Avanine was an above average player who knew which classes were the best in the tier
He/ She seemed good because He/ She did lots of DPS, if He/ She was playing another class He/ She wouldn't have had half the praise
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>>148390416
Still, would've been better to not have Avanine drama all over the thread when <You> was alive.
Glad he/she didn't move to Cata.
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>alliance on l4g

ayy
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wow am I sure glad I'm not a catababy
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>>148391436
amen
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>>148387941
>finish class on new project after annihilating ulduar
>check /wpsg/ while smoking
>people still shitposting about me
>regarding a casual expansion I don't even play
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>>148391232
Yeah man
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Pretty pathetic to beg people to raid your meme expansion when you cant get the consistent 25 memers to log on
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>>148392591
>ulduar 10 mans

wow it's nothing
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>>148393084
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who /maximumedge/ here
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>>148393841
>playing neo-wow
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>148393841
>sympathy for the devil

kek, you need to get red boots though they clash a bit
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>>148393841
What weapons are those,dont ecognize the models
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>>148394802
Some axe from ICC and the fist weapons from Hyjal raid
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Hi
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>>148389247
>avanine
>garbage/synthqt
what is this meme list
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>>148396764
please don't post 3d girls here we only like 2d
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>>148397557
Too bad
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>>148394521
oh yeah i will
the red ones from hyjal since the bwl bloodfang didint drop now
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What are the atlantiss raid times, when (you) was active the times were all over the place so i gave up trying to remember
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>>148398138
mondays and thursdays 18:00 GMT+1
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>>148398138
Wednesdays/Saturdays 22:00 ST(CEST), next raid is Monday though for this week only
>>148398306
Dunno which guild this is for, but it's not Atlantiss <wpsg>
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>page 8
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>>148393123
>cataclysm anything

Wow, it's literally nothing.
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>>148401161
rude
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When i hit page 10,i be free
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>>148402729
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Hope you all die like this thread

t. Anna Kendrick poster
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>tfw trying to get raid ready while working 60+ hour weeks
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>>148388485
Lordaeron ran naxx for the same amount of time.
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>>148405371
get a better job faggit
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>>148383046
If you want to shovel shit down your throat that's fine.
But don't pretend there's nothing wrong with l4g.
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>>148405371
Theres a reason I play on GD. I feel your pain brother.
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Whats the new server you sperg lords are rolling on now
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>>148407423
GD ToD Atlantiss, pick your poison, or multiple.
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>>148408052
all of those are either day or dying so I wouldn't call them new
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>>148406238
How's excal treating you? Buy all the gear you need?
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Exacalibur > Hellground > Feenix > L4G

OFFICIAL TBC SERVER RANKING
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>>148392591
>annihilating ulduar
LOL good job taking 4 hours to do literally nothing on a post nerf server

you're actually complete garbage
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>>148411251
>bragging about something <You> did on pre-nerf in Naxx gear 4 weeks faster
GD kids are hilarious honestly
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>>148413002
Same
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Mfw people think No Queue has a clique

Hahahahahahah
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>>148415045
you've already ran more 10 man ulduars than <You> did and haven't progressed as far. how does it feel to be worse than one of the biggest cluster fuck guilds /wpsg/ has ever had?
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>>148415045
Are you serious? One of the "officers" got the title for literally being buddy buddy with scrotes.
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>>148415161
Feel pretty ok. Atleast I raid fun content and don't have to play with fucking pickles or avanine
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>>148415385
I love how you kids brag about what you've done in 10 mans so far but you're playing on a 14x funserver that lets you be raid ready in less than a day and shoves copious amounts of gold down your throat for all the content appropriate BoE's you could ever ask for.
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>>148416629
No one brags minus like two people. Rest of us are just having fun. Sorry if that offends you.
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So, did <you> die or not?
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>>148418969
they still do 10 mans so yeah, they're pretty much dead.
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>tfw l4g is the only decent server to go to but cobe and pickle shitters want to shill it to death because their jelly

What's the matter retards you wanna go round two with excalicuck vs veng? I'll gladly kill <you> and whatever shit guild you had on the shit funserver again

Git gud trashcans.

Meer went lightyears farther than both of you combined.

Fuck your manlet cheerleader yarrick too. Fuckin dick rider.
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>>148422654
If you think I give the slightest of fucks about what guild you want to play in or server you play on then you're a medically diagnosed vegetable at best.
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>>148422654
>not clearing BT is better than clearing T8
<shrek> <you> <wpsg> <autism awareness> <the vidya> and <outlaws reborn> were all better than <video games>

meer had the spottiest attendance i've ever seen from a gm
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>>148422984
>thinking i give a shit about what some <you> or catababby thinks

Fuck off shitter you're not welcome anyways.

True men play tbc.

We have the guild. We have the server. Kill the shills and play.
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>>148423156
Dude good job you showed him keep at it
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>>148423156
no-one cares dude
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>>148423156
Then go have fun on your server. You do you duder.
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>>148423524
>>148423517
>>148423449
>being this mad

holy shit git rekt
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>>148423636
fugg :-DDD
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>>148423150
But dude, bronchitis makes you unable to raid for almost two months!
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>>148422984
top fucking kek
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SO. What server are we actually playing on? I have been playing on GD WOTLK.
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>>148423150
To be honest the level of effort it takes to clear up to illidari council on a 2x TBC server is far superior to what it takes to clear all normals of naxx and ulduar on a 4x wotlk one with RDF. the whole leveling and gearing process is first of all much longer and TBC raids take much longer with all the trash and what not.
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>>148410254
Hellground > the rest of the shit servers (and dont kid yourself, all TBC servers are shit)
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>>148425459
Lol
>muh raid has more trash so it's harder!!!
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