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first for touhou
i like this general so please do your best today and try not to be dead
thanks
Yagawa is cute! CUTE!
>>148340137
Is YGW the embodiment of methodical masterpieces?
>>148339837
>try not to be dead
Just did a 1cc!It was easy but I don't care, you can't rob me of my happiness.
Getting a bit more comfortable with stick by playing SF 3rd Strike, but getting down a dp or ultra is still hell.
>>148340907
In short, yes.He also has a really big cock, contrary to what might be expected of an Asian man.
>>148342847
Double penetration is hard for a lot of people anon, nothing to be ashamed about.
>>148343061
sounds like you are experienced in this
>>148342531
congrats, what was it?
>>148342531
https://youtu.be/oC_1ZWLOPJc?t=20
>>148343061
I've heard about other people watching educational videos on the subject. Too lewd for me though!
>>148343362
Eschatos. I was tired at failing other games so I decided it was time for a victory, even if it was an easy one. It was a clear I needed to get off my list.
Are Shmups considered as a proper mental and brain exercise?
>>148344795
no, they are considered autism and epilepsy causes
>>148339837
>>148344795
Surely they're an exercise of memorization reaction.
Looks like OP is never updated anyway, but this is being released tomorrow http://store.steampowered.com/app/465060/
>>148347482
>OP still has Mushihimesama and DBCS under recent releases
what's a bigger wall in mushi
level armor bug thing in stage 3 (so like the whole level)
or the dragonfly fucks in 4
>>148349979
Stage 3. I'm assuming the dragonfly things refer to those long enemies with the destructible back parts in the second half of the stage? Honestly I think that half of stage 4 is easier than the first half with all of those stupid locust/beetle things or whatever when they start coming two at a time.
>>148349979
Stage 3, 4 and 5 are all as hard as each other desu. Once you can do 3 without missing too much and get the 1UP the 1ALL is in the bag
>>148350248
yeah the long enemies. the few times i've gotten up to stage 4, they're really annoying towards the end where you're forced (i think) to dodge one that shoots you from behind.
>>148350472
>Once you can do 3 without missing too much and get the 1UP the 1ALL is in the bag
i got to the boss with both original stocks, the 1up from the core and the 1up from 2.5mil, then lost them all like instantly. i'm new to this.
>feel confident
>die with max bombs
every time
>>148333065
Aside from the fact that getting the blade powerup makes it impossible to hit the mermaid boss weak point it's bretty gud.
>>148350838
>>feel confident
>>die with max bombs
the secret is to stop doing this. i'm starting to play for score and i'll still bomb as soon as the game decides to surprise me.
>>148350838
If you can no miss the stage the boss is easy. Make sure you're looking near the top of the screen.
>>148350472
That's where I'm at right now. On a good day I'll no-miss the first three stages up to s3 boss. I just need a run to come along where I don't fuck up in a really stupid spot (like dying twice to stage 4 midboss or something outlandish like that) and hopefully I can clear.
"Talent" is just another way to say IQ. Someone with a high IQ, that is, the ability to reason quickly and think critically, will learn at a much faster rate than someone with a low IQ, or lack of "talent". Low IQ players can make up for their lack of intelligence by working immensely hard.
>>148355451
Effort and hard work over natural/born talent seems to be a common theme in shounen anime but they always seem to manage to fuck it up by making the main character turn out to be some perfect warrior child with all the right cards dealt to him from birth. See: Naruto, Bleach, and for whatever reason even Dragon Ball changed its own history to do this.
I have no point. Just rambling what's on my mind like usual.
>>148356192
It's intentionally designed that way. They present the characters as an average kid so little Hideo can relate to them before they grow into a cool, unstoppable badass with all of the right answers.
>>148355451
t. played for 50 hours total
>>148355451
Which study was this?
>>148356619
t. played for 500 hours total to achieve the same results
>>148355451
IQ is racist and doesn't exist
>>148357397
t. low IQ
Which is a better investment: japanese Xbox 360 or a good stick?
>>148356932
>not even pretending you played these games before making a statement about what makes one good at them
>>148357508
Good stick.
lowtiergod get out
>>148357508
get a q4 or some easily moddable piece of shit + sanwa parts.
>>148356598
Well yeah, the main character is supposed to be an average shmuck who works his way up the ladder with hard work and determination.
Instead you've got things like Narutobeing the son of the fourth Hokage and being the reincarnation of Ninja Jesus or something I dunno I stopped following Naruto prior to Shippuden, and then in Bleach, Ichigois a buffet of different bloodlines all giving him unique powers, on top of being the son of a Captain-level shinigami, or Goku beingthe son of the legendary super saiyan from 1000 years ago apparently.
It goes from "Wow this guy started off no better than me and he's working his way up with blood, sweat and tears" to "Wow, this guy had greatness running through his blood the entire time, no wonder he achieved the things he did". There's still some encouraging symbolism to be had there but it's a bit less direct than just having the character succeed through hard work alone.
>>148357508
I would think a 360 is if you're comfortable with playing with a pad or something.
>>148357508
sticks are either a meme or take a lot of time to get used to
be aware of this, it may be that you buy a stick only to play even worse
>>148357802
>100% of the best scores ever done were with a stick
>meme
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lol?
>>148358213
Perhaps they would have been even better with a pad? Japanese have no other choice since arcades use sticks.
>>148358524
>takes place on the moon
>boss is flying over a grassy area
>>148357508
good stick
>>148358804
Maybe they're bomb craters?
Terraforming?
>>148355451
>video game players
>high IQ
I don't even think you need high IQ to play fucking videogames
reminder that playing more makes you worse
>>148359958
I know.
>>148359958
How do you get better then?
>>148358589
why do they buy sticks when they get console games then
checkmate atheist
What the hell is this dudes problem?
>>148359606
you don't
you need high IQ if you want to be elite
>>148361546
just give up
>>148361546
have a high IQ or play for 20 hours a day
>>148361663
He's just homesick, that's all.
>>148359606
post youre scores
Guys I got an 80% on my IQ test, am I good enough to become a superplayer?
>get a dumb death early on
>fuck it i'll just keep going and try risky stuff that i normally bomb
>play 100x better
>eventually get fucked over because of that 1 death early on
why don't i just restart
>tfw found an old cd with touhou music and arranges burned on it
>>148364842
No, but you may be good enough to get a Western Record.
>>148361663
He went from being a successful and rather wealthy [corrupt] businessman in London to living in the middle of bumfuck nowhere on top of a rock in a nasty swamp while the townfolk shun him and eating bugs and snakes and shit that his daughter cooks while his wife slowly dies of whatever.
I mean he's still a huge dick but I can at least see why he wants to go back to England.Also he's menstruating.
Sorta kinda a shooting game: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/steel-strider
Is this worth the price? The graphics look like shit.
>>148367042
Astro Port owns BITCH
did you buy her game? http://store.steampowered.com/app/316600/
i don't know if it's even any good, i just liked 100% orange juice
>>148367925
Ok, but is it a good game? Have you even played it? Does anyone even play games?
>>148368981
No.2anime4me
>>148368981
No, but I bought Suguri's.
>>148369123
>is it a good game?
If you like these type of mecha shooters, sure.
>>148369280
is it good? i have that too but i've never played it.
>>148369497
I haven't played it yet either, actually...
But I like playing as Suguri in OJ.
>>148358213
>>100% of the best scores ever done were with a stick
Akai Katana wr is pad as is Gus's in mushi futari 1.01 ultra.
>>148372441
inb4 he says those are memegames and mean nothing
>>148372441
those are memegames and mean nothing
>>148368981
>http://store.steampowered.com/app/316600/
I've heard it's actually quite solid.
t-thanks psikyo
>>148375124
Also make sure you use your bombs in the milliseconds between dying and realizing you're about to die.
>>148372441
>Gus
>world record
topkeke
>>148376236
He does have the WR for 1.01A mode no one else plays for score
If a counterstopless version of Futari came out today would Gus be able to get and hold the world record?
What's the best way to dodge this guy's second volley?
>>148377729
stay in the middle
>>148377729
Get out the way
>>148377729
I dodge the first one and then don't move at all.
>>148377563
He was working on a 5 billion run at one point
But if counterstopless came out on steam it would be a piece of shit like all the other cave steam ports and possibly unplayable for ultra.
>Ikaruga no online co-op
>Deathsmiles no online co-op
>Xbox versions do though
what's the deal? is steamworks too hard for japs to program for?
They're gonna be running Touhou 10 at the Australian speedrunning event:
https://horaro.org/ausspeedrunmarathon/avcon1
>>148383508
>Touhou 10 - Mountain of Faith - any%
How does one 100% a shmup?
>>148383508
>not mecha ritz
Is there even any other shmup that was designed for memerunning?
>>148383954
getting wr score
>>148383325
>playing co-op
>playing multi-player
>EVER
>>148384204
I wanted to pick up mecha ritz during the steam sale but the shit didn't even go on sale.
>>148386043
Just play the original.
>>148385886
Not all of us are friendsless assburgers, mate.
>>148386695
Me neither, friends don't let friends play multiplayer games.
>>148388731
Could you explain your logic?
>>148372441
>Akai Katana wr is pad
proof?
>Gus's in mushi futari 1.01 ultra.
wow a console game that 1 other person played, what an achievement
>>148383325
japs don't give a fuck about their pc versions, they're just cashing in on memers who keep begging for ports
>>148389772
Computers are superior opponents: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-google-game-korean-master.html
Multiplayer is casual trash.
>>148392442
Shame that most, if not all videogames have maybe 1/10000000th the level of AI that goes into those supercomputers.
>>148383325
If it's any consolation, I'm told that the Xbox Live co-op netcode was unplayable-tier awful.This is the only fanart of Tyrannosatan that I'm aware of, not including the Tyrannosa-tan picture.
What does this message mean?
>>148394146
Don't die.
>>148394146
You're graded by how many times you die during Wrath. Rank increases gradually during the fight - killing the Mirror Shield repeatedly decreases rank, making survival easier.
>>148394435
>killing the Mirror Shield repeatedly decreases rank, making survival easier.
Fuck! Is this real? I had been wondering why there is so much variance. Sometimes it is easy to avoid and other times it has attacks that seem almost impossible.
>>148383508
If they were going to speedrun a Touhou game, they could have at least done shoot the bullet or double spoiler. Or maybe there's a non 2hu shmup that isn't terrible for speedrunning, like >>148384204 said.
I hope they're at least running it on hard/lunatic.
>>148383508
>>148394861
It will probably use the Marisa B bug, since it trivializes bosses where most of the run time would come from. I'd honestly prefer a different game where they'd be balancing bomb and dying rather than just abusing that damn bug, but I'd bet the rest of the games are incredibly slow comparatively.
>>148394146
Speaking of this game. What are some other shmups like it?
>>148395315
Shmups Skills Test: Recycle edition.
>>148395467
Cheap too, I'll have to pick that up.
Today's video is a Normal mode Ikaruga scoring run and 1cc by KBR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceUiKg783kw
I ended up recording and uploading this way too late. I'm getting a bit lazy because there's so little to upload.
>>148396072
meme game or methodical masterpiece?
>>148396468
Why not both?
>>148396468
Check the tags.
1 person got their thumb stuck up their ass.generic youtube comment
>>148396072
>1 dislike already
>>148396072
>The pilot dies at the end of the game.
I never knew.
>>148396072
looks hard 2bh
>>148401705
It's not a bad run, but it still needs a lot more polish to be a top-tier run. Especially stage 4 and the endboss were quite embarrasing
>>148407102
nah bitch you're getting fucking dumped on
What the hell was this guy's problem?
>>148409020
Fucink invincible bullets.
>>148399451
>puzzle
What determines the bosses you fight on Stage 7 of Strikers?
I heard it has to do with your position?
>>148411787
Ship
>>148413161
I've had different bosses appear with the same ship tho.
I did it.
>>148396072
pretty cool run!
>>148416349
congrats!now play the maingame
>>148413161
>Ship
The fuck are you talking about you clueless gape?
>>148411787
>I heard it has to do with your position?
It's your position in relation to the score counter so line up with the first 2 numbers for one, middle 2 for the next and last 2 for the 3rd, the same rule applies to the mid bosses and bosses.
>>148416842
Anon, did you forget that you need to beat the game first in order to unlock last spells.
>>148420535
I mean play for real, not just 1cc!
>>148339447
someone should redo the mega in the op with the latest version of MAME and MAMEplus + more roms.
i would but my upload is ass.
Good night /shmupg/. Do your best to achieve your goals!
>>148421343
>latest version of MAME and MAMEplus
Why those instead of shmupmame 4.2?
>>148422668
is 4.2 the one in the op or a later version? the one in the op doesn't even run mushihimesama/daifukkatsu
daethhhhhh
>>148423417
>the one in the op doesn't even run mushihimesama/daifukkatsu
Because they don't emulate very well and have no slowdown at all.
if you#re alive report in
>>148430914
hello
did you guys see that NES thing: https://twitter.com/nintendoamerica/status/753559995849990144
>>148430914
Reporting in, currently practicing DOJ WL.
>>148430914
hello
just got done dying in mushi stage 3 and then playing 2dx
>>148431094
Holy shit
Why 1cc so hard?
>>148431847
>just got done dying in mushi stage 3
what mode? i'm working on my first clear (normal) and it's pretty hard.
i hate the part with the core that gives the 1up, i always have to blow at least 2 bombs there.
>>148433631
original
taking a break from dying in stage 4 maniac
>>148433631
I had a no miss run up until that exact point where I game-over'd on that screen trying to get the one up.
>>148339447
Hi /shmupg/. I've been sorta interested in buying Mushihimesama for a while now, but after going through this thread it sounds like it's going to be a pretty ball-busting experience.
Should I go for it anyway?
>>148436367
Yes
>>148436367
the point of these games is basically that even though they're only 30 minutes long for one run you have to play them many times and practice to reach whatever goal you set for yourself. If you like that, go for it!
>>148436559
>>148436603
Is it more reaction-speed based or pattern heavy?
>>148436367
I was on the fence for a while and finally decided to go for it. 18 hours of play time so far and I'm glad I bought it. I 1cc'd the easier difficulties and have started working on normal but I'm alternating between multiple games to avoid burnout so it may take a while.
>>148436690
Both.
>>148436603
Like this anon said, no what you're getting into if you're unfamiliar with shmups. You can credit feed and beat the game on any difficulty in 30 minutes. The real point is to git gud enough to beat the game without using any continues at all.
>>148436795
I'm not unfamiliar with shmups, but I don't have a huge amount of experience either.
Anyway, you guys have convinced me. I'll go ahead and grab it, thanks anons.
>>148436690
It has both.
Original = reaction-speed
Maniac = pattern heavy
Ultra = a mix of Original and Maniac
>>148436690
No shmup is about reaction-speed. They are all about memorization and execution. With reaction-speed alone you won't get far in any game.
>>148437054
I disagree, reaction speed is important. Memorization obviously is too though.
>>148437194
No, learning to play shmups is pretty much like learning to play an instrument. It's all about muscle memory and execution. And if you are a pro also about strategy, or creating your own routes (songs).
I want to pilot KAMUI!
>>148430914
>>148437194
reaction speed is only important for 100% random parts in a game, which unless you're playing some poorly designed kusoge, makes up 1-10% of the game at most
these games are all memoshit
>>148440063
Well, desu, bullet hell games often can have so many bullets that you can't just memorize them all, or can't perfectly fly the exact same route to herd the bullets, so for them reaction speed is kinda important, but not nearly enough as much as memorization.
Saturn is finally cracked. Now perhaps we can emulate Radiant Silvergn correctly.
>>148445632
>Now perhaps we can emulate Radiant Silvergn correctly.
Why hasn't Treasure done a Steam release of this?
>>148446396
Probably too obscure and not enough money for it.
>>148446731
Ikaruga is so popular that nonshmup players know about it and they could bill Radiant Silvergun as its predecessor. I'm certain money is there.
>finally no-miss the first loop of DOJ
>fuck the second loop so badly I don't even make it to 2-5
Someone end my life.
>>148447124
The shmup community is also very very small. Being popular as a shmup doesn't mean much. It's still niche amongst niche.
Also, Treasure went broke after Gaist Crusher flopped hard. They haven't haven't produced anything since then.
>>148441526
>reaction speed
Bullet reading and dodging ability is more important. It's not just about randomness, but about bullet speed, which only very rarely will be so fast that you need fast reaction speed. Or if it's a static pattern you can just memo it.
>>148448994
Bullet reading and dodging ability has to do with reaction speed, dipshit.
>>148449192
It has nothing to do with reaction. It has everything to do with dexterity and pattern recognition.
>>148449502
Yes, and to recognize those patterns fast enough and react to it properly you need good reaction speed.
>watch some doj superplay
>notice semirandom chirping in boss music
>tfw never able to take game seriously again
>>148450932
Human reaction times normally only differ by tens of milliseconds, if you're consistently cutting it that close you're doing something wrong.
>>148451460
Those milliseconds often can be a life saver though. You can't memorize routes perfectly. There will always be moments where suddenly a bullet flies at you out of nowhere, and for this good reaction speed is important.
>>148451778
And apart from this, even if memorize something, it still needs good reaction speed to know when to react the way you memorized. Reaction speed always plays a role in these games, but memorization is way more important.
>>148445632
Did that guy finish his mod chip thing?
I just watched that 20 minute interview yesterday, really interesting stuff
2 hours!
>>148455385
huh?
>>148455385
what's in 2 hours
tell me
TELL ME
Qute is qute!
QUTE!
>>148459231
Ginga Force Steam release when?
When playing with a stick, is it normal to always hit the stick against the gate? Because it's seriously loud and always goes BOOM BOOM when hitting the gate.
>>148460831
I'm using an octagonal gate btw, is this good for shmups?
Any jap shmup community?
is it ok to sadpost or are you guys tired of my shit?
>>148461854
Better keep it to a minimum.
>>148461212
Jap have shmup community?
>>148462820
No thank you.
>>148461212
The only one I know of is http://tamae.2ch.net/gamestg/
>>148461854
Stop sadposting and start happyposting instead!
>>148465548
>Stop sadposting and start happyposting instead!
how am I gonna happypost when I'm not happy?
>>148419449
>It's your position in relation to the score counter so line up with the first 2 numbers for one, middle 2 for the next and last 2 for the 3rd, the same rule applies to the mid bosses and bosses.
Yup, this worked. Thanks anon.
>>148466114
It's easy, you just have to suppress your sadness and put on a happy mask of sorts. Then you gotta think of cheerful and encouraging things to say, and always stay positive!
>it's a still get a random retarded death in mushi stage 2 and ruin all chances of making it up to stage 4 day
make it stop
>>148466362
am I doing it right?
>>148466927
... Kind of! It's a start, maybe.
>>148459519
Sooner than later I hope!
>>148462820
Dreamt I was playing Mars Matrix last night. Shit dream desu.
>>148462820
Play nigga wing instead
Fuck everyone saying stick is worth it. I can't do the most simple shit with it anymore, and the thing is just clunky and loud as fuck. These things are just to throw money out of the window.
>>148462820
quick! methodical masterpiece or meme game?
>>148467831
Never played it myself but it looks really fun.
Can't even no miss stage 1 in DOJ.
The fourth pattern of the boss is too hard for me
Kill me
reco gives my benis an feeling socomplicated
>>148471954
Youll get there
>>148468224
Practice every day for a few months, then come back. It took me over 2 months of 4 hours daily to learn basic stick movement.
>>148473294
>15
>those hips
>those fat tats
lord have mercy
>>148473918
Some girls have all the luck.
>cowtits
>>148475007
>not enjoying from dfc to cowtits
cmon
>>148475007
Don't worry, some 15 year old girls are flat as a board!
>>148475719
Yeah yeah but how can you dodge shit with those fucking bazookas and ass?
>>148476338
The in-game slowdown is actually time dilation caused by the sheer mass of Reco's assets.
>>148476603
>>148476338
i had to change the background on the steam version to something basic because i kept looking over and it was making me die
I love you Reco
>>148437524
hope you dont want your physical body anymore
>>148479871
Who needs it!
This thread had better start livin' or else I might have to resort to drastic measures!
The world is a shitty place, anon.
>>148447231
whatchu score pham
>>148471954
Play something that's not Caveshit, then.
>>148471954
Play more caveshit
>>148481832
Go on.
>>148460831
I dunno about other people, but the way I play I hit the gate fairly often. I keep a loose grip on it most of the time which helps with doing really quick taps, and on those I never hit the gate. But in larger movements or oh shit oh shit moments I swing the bitch all over the place and I'm definitely hitting the gate. As far as the noise goes it doesn't bother me so I assume you'll just get used to it. And if it isn't making noise it just isn't cool in my opinion :)
Also I have a square gate but I don't see the big deal with gates on sticks anyway.
>>148460831
Keyboard is most precise anyway.
>>148488487
lol
>>148471954
Play Black Label.
>>148488487
lol
>>148488487
olo
>>148486128
Such as writing very graphic, erotic Deathsmiles fapfictionabout Rosa and Tyrannosatanfor example
is sfkhoa alive?
>>148471954
White label or black label? White label is pretty shit, desu.
>>148490876
what's wrong with white label?
>>148493092
He's just mad because it's too difficult for him.
>>148493092
Black label has better hyper generation, better chaining, and the second loop doesn't have that retarded shit where it takes all your lives away and prevents you from continuing. Green ship also has a really stupid hitbox in white label, on top of it being rather big.
>>148466163
Placebo
