>News
- Update 1.1.6 now available for download!
- 1.1.6 Balance Patch Notes:http://smashboards.com/threads/436806/
- 1.1.5 Balance Patch Notes:http://smashboards.com/threads/433162/
>Resources and Guides
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Previous thread: >>147975841
>dead already
>>148318241
/ssbg/ has an OFFICIAL discord now made by Chronos:
https://discordapp.com/invite/0kMyiyd1r38A7kIF
It's open for everyone and has no moderation - If you can't get along with others use the blocking function.
This is the first decent thread in a while without useless links so let's not waste it and get right into talking about Smash AI. Not sure how it works in PM, but AI in Brawl works the best out of all the games. Don't know why they were so lazy with Sm4sh and made the CPUs only read inputs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFUVdXuIcU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4HvhIPOz4I
ok
>>148322585
because other fighting games don't have to try with their AI, not much point for nintendo to
>>148322836
Why regress after creating Brawl's AI? Even if it's the case of not being able to directly port it over for Sm4sh, they have a framework for it instead of creating something entirely new to replace it to no one's benefit. Melee AI has a lot of flaws, but it's still better at attempting to simulate multiplayer than Sm4sh. I wonder if Shitposting Tourneyfag has any AI related webms to help validate that.
>>148323072
effort
sure they could've used their previous work to make some great AI but they only really did that afterwards with the amiibo, it's easy enough to just make them respond to any given input you throw at them (le dodge all your aerials first frame xd)
however it has been noted that apparently after some patches the AI actually improved, so maybe there was time constraint issues
the best doc in the general can tell you all about the AI i'm sure
>>148323369
> they only really did that afterwards with the amiibo
I don't know about your or anyone else with amiibo, but I don't notice a worthwhile difference in AI between trained amiibo vs. level 9 CPU. They still can't really play offstage, and with Sm4sh's AI focused on inputting reading there isn't improvement to be had between a level 9 doing it or a level 50 amiibo. Any learning the amiibo does is minimal and doesn't seem to be up to anything close to the Brawl AI in my experience.
>however it has been noted that apparently after some patches the AI actually improved
Is that so? I haven't noticed but I haven't looked closely after my initial disappointment either. Part of it is I'm disappointed in how the smash community didn't take a bigger interest in exploring in-depth with amiibo training and AI in general. Any youtube videos on their learning behaviors are either sketchy or non-noteworthy.
>the best doc in the general can tell you all about the AI i'm sure
I never heard of this story, so I'm definitely interested.
>>148323973
just a memelord who had a ton of 3ds replays of him dunking on AI, nothing special
>>148324090
Oh I thought you meant it was tests or general experience that he was analyzing with the AI
Why has Leffen not left Sweden yet ? Isnt he going to EVO ?
>>148324737
Isn't EVO next week?
>>148324837
no evo starts on friday
Dont forget to report chazos tournies and pames shitposts
>>148323973
Adding on to how nips cannot into AI, amiibos actually start doing more knockback, damage as they reach higher levels as well as recieving less knockback.
Level 6 AI do react to things frame 1 they just don't do it all the time and they don't airdodge. I can't comment too much on level 7, 8 and 9 AI because they make me want to yell very angrily and loudly for sustained periods of time.
Smash AI literally cheat and if I want cheating AI I'll go back to XCOM or Fire Emblem (nips couldn't figure out FOW until past 2008)
amiibos just get stat boosts as if they were wearing a bunch of equipment, even though it shows they wear none. iirc its 50% boost in all stats
would you hangout with oddish
>>148331548
If I could find him on pokemon go
>>148332126
come over my house theres oddishes here in my bedroom
>only have 3DS
>can only play 1v1 online because anything more runs like shit
>get online
>1v1
>it's a cloud
>it's a projectilist that's not DDD
>every time
would you play /ssbg/-go
>>148336980
fuck off
>>148337141
w-what?
who 1v1 here?
Wii U
Live
Anyone playing on wiiu?
Anybody want to play?
>>148349973
NNID?
>>148350089
host you piece of shit
>>148350227
Room is up.
>>148350842
nigga you aint even online but good trolling
>>148350981
>
The fuck you talking about
>>148351089
Hell if I know
>>148337398
Heh
GGs Dorf.
Don't ever shoryuken me or my wife's son ever again.
>>148357241
Neat games Chito
>Don't ever shoryuken me or my wife's son ever again.
Only if you don't get jv3 in under 20 seconds again
>>148357824
wow youre so much better than panchito its almost sad
>>148357824
Don't ever record that.
>>148358243
Don't ever post that.
>>148329019
>amiibos actually start doing more knockback, damage as they reach higher levels as well as recieving less knockback
What is the point of this, or is it only to give a false sense of strength? Amiibo were touted to be superior to the CPU levels, yet they don't learn or do anything a level 9 can't already do besides what you mentioned above.
>Level 6 AI do react to things frame 1 they just don't do it all the time and they don't airdodge
Another lazy aspect is the difference between AI levels. Can't more be done than just have various degrees of nerfed level 9 to fill in the range?
>>148330337
That's disgusting. if only they actually learned like they were supposed to.
>>148362151
at least you can spam them in true arena for more health
>>148362282
Is that true? Damn that's cheap.
what is with this game? i've been doing 1v1s for the past two days and it's like randomized skill. I don't think I can go further than what I am capable of but I was versing some guy using Cloud like me, and he is going so fast jut doing random attacks and everything like he knew my moves. It's like a bot was playing. The fuck.
I also hate these fucking chain attacks and shit. Mario is especially fucking dumb. Throw and up punch up punch up punch, thats fucking stupid. Me versus this asshole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61M82pjvHg
>>148364979
You don't need to record with your camera. Tr4sh actually has a replay uploading feature that uploads directly to your youtube account.
>>148364979
putting this on scrubquotes
>>148365132
i wish i knew that years ago
>>148365290
i also was versing some faggot named caroline pretending to be a girl. used bayonetta. all she did was fucking use witch time, and combo me and there was no way out of it. what a cheap fucking character.
>forcing another thread
Are you guys retarded?
>>148365783
Fuck off moxy
>>148365132
>>148365435
You can only upload to youtube if the replay is sub 3:15 in time, because Nintendo needs retarded restrictions to function.
>>148365930
Fuck off
>>148366148
i've been playing to try and get good. i want to know how people go super fast like jumping up and down faster and knowing when to dodge. you have to play this game 24 hours a day to get that good.
>>148357824
Will you ever stop humble bragging, asshole?
>>148364979
I watched your whole video and nothing is remarkable from either of you. You're running away, but do random aerials instead of charging limit which shows you not only have a sloppy grasp on Cloud but on spacing as a whole. Those taunts better be mistakes because you look like a salty shitter.
>>148364979
>taunting at every opportunity
>against a trashy mario
>even complains about him despite being trash
>>148366672
well let me tell YOU, buddy. I go against most people and beat most of them on 1v1. So either this game really doesn't take much skill or I'm just good sometimes. When I verse anybody who uses cheap tactics, sometimes I kill them and sometimes I don't. And no, those taunts weren't mistakes. I won the battle and got experience, so fuck off faggot.
Yeah, so after watching that vid, Sardine is literally smash cancer
>>148366464
>i want to know how people go super fast like jumping up and down faster
They press down quickly on the stick to fast fall after they do a short hop.
>knowing when to dodge
Guess what your opponent is going to do and preemptively react to it. It's practice reading your opponent which is found in not only fighting games but other competitive games.
>i've been playing to try and get good
>you have to play this game 24 hours a day to get that good
You need to practice, but with this attitude towards improving and challenges >>148366893 you won't even beat an average player.
>>148366943
And I'll spread my disease. I beat lots of people who go crazy and I piss them off with taunts. I fucking love it. Makes me laugh so hard. Then I leave.
>>148366893
anyone who uses the word cheap cant be good, sorry kid
>angryfag cocky cloud
>>148366943
I wish sakurai nerfed the shit out of cloud so those fags would go away
>For Gloryfags being cocky
Let me guess, someone will kick his ass back down to reality and he will act like he was humble all along
>>148367026
It doesn't work, there must be timing but people do it constantly and it's annoying. The Cloud I faced knew when to dodge in weird ways that he shouldn't have predicted. I've been practicing, and I have beaten a bunch of good players. If I have to brag I'll upload more replays but like I said I just have trouble with people who bounce all over the place and you can't keep up with them. I've only met one guy like that today and it was cloud.
>>148367632
Oh okay. it is ZehcnasX0
>>148367735
>>148366893
>redditfag
lol I knew it
>>148367847
i don't even browse reddit. people take my name all the time and i literally don't get how because its my name backwards
well i will probably play mario maker and then play the guy who is still eating later
Dont forget the unofficial official /ssbg/ discord
https://discord.gg/HDMmqHt
>>148364979
I got cancer from that match, you both need to git gudder
>>148369019
that was my intention. enjoy your death
>>148368736
stop advertising your fake discord every day, chazo
you really are a pathetic pedonigger
>>148369470
don't reply, just report discords and other shitposts
Post mains
>>148370023
my dick
RIP LEFFEN
http://tsm.gg/index.php/news/leffen-visa-situation-update/
>>148371442
evo isn't worth watching now
>>148371442
I saw it coming when he wasnt attending any of the recent majors in America, what a shame.
>>148371131
Do you have a 3DS you can play on?
>>148373426
Yes I do. My 3Ds is my baby.
>>148370023
>>148373510
Would you be up for a few games?
>>148373752
Yes, sure. I was just sitting here idling I don't even know what I was doing. I had some herbal supplement though. Friendcode is 0963-3627-4273
>>148373851
Neat. FC is 4184-2976-0132. I can play for around 12 games or so.
>>148373963
i remember you in a tourney once
>>148374185
Must have been a while, haven't played in a tournament for a very long time. Or at least a singles one, played dubs at me local though. Hi.
>>148374280
yes it was a long time ago
who 1v1 here?
wii u only
>>148373612
>bowser
finnlaaalalalllyyy. howd i do pher
>>148374676
Are you retarded? No one likes you. Fuck off
>>148376772
awful, you suck
>>148373963
Hello Pher, wanna do dubs?
>>148377453
Gee willikers
>>148376772
Ggs Sardines. You did grand, neat Cloud and Sonic going there. Thanks for the set.
>>148376518
Hi
>>148377918
You beat me like every time though. What did I need to work on?
>>148377918
Hey phar, idk if you remember me, but we should play sometime when you're free
>>148377713
Afraid not Pame, I'm about to go to sleep.
Just wanted to squeeze in a set before I did so. I'll try to catch you another time.
>>148377991
Well your rolls made you slippery but once I slowed the pace they lost their effect. I think you need to be a bit more movement. Instead of rolling, try to run backwards in small bursts or short hop. Also try to short hop space with b-air and n-air more in the neutral, Cloud loves spacing in the air. Otherwise you got neat foundations. Good luck.
Also >>148377453 aint me.
>>148378171
That was honestly fun and I know you don't type like that. Thank you!
>>148378067
Sure. You can catch me on Anthers a lot easier though, I don't come here often much anymore. Just popped in and saw some activity and thought I'd message someone. My name on Anthers is Koopa1989, if ye wanna contact me easier. If I pop in and see you though I'll drop you a post.
>>148378067
>>148378378
Wanna play dubs? We just Need 2
>>148378816
Sounds good, I'll join
>Leffen can't make it so EVO grandfinals is either Mango/Armada, Mango/Hbox, or Armada/Hbox ...again
>>148378875
We just Need one!
>>148379843
We can play till we get one more
>>148380219
Hosting
>>148380517
kill yourself retard
>>148380219
Why are you playing with shitposters?
>>148380693
minitimmy is a shitposter
GG m80s, I have to leave for now, but we're playing again some other time
Ggs Timmy!
2 more for dubs!
>>148383850
>announcing your report
>>148383850
fuck off
>>148383850
stop shitposting
>>148383850
Reminder that pame is the biggest drama starter in /ssbg/
If anyones here looking for games wiiu
Nnid: chawklet
>>148387472
Host and I'll join
>>148362151
>what is the point of this
Nips. Can't. AI.
A level 50 Ryu amiibo always perfect inputs (assuming you used perfect inputs against it) and it does it instantly. Part of Ryu's balance is the fact that true inputs take more time than other inputs, even if he's given things like invincibility on startup for true shoryu.
So, the amiibos DO learn (I think) but only slightly moreso than normal AI and the lolframe1eatshitgoyjin doesn't make up for this tiny amount of 'learning'
talk that shit now
>>148387472
Got a communication error, so getting back online now.
>>148389132
Ok, im still here
>>148389132
I made sure everything is off!! So idk why its lagging bad
>>148389223
Let me try to reset my connection in case it's on my end.
>>148390351
pame the drama starter
>>148389452
You seem fine since whatever was the problem was fixed now
>>148390724
Yea its much better!
@148391525
fishy desperate for a (you)
>>148390351
pame is such a faggot holy shit
>>148391915
>that's Chronos discord not Moxy's
that's not even what we're talking about, you dumb shit
>>148391915
its not just hoody, everyone hates you retarded shitposter
>>148391915
Can you fuck off, you dumbass?
>>148390684
yeah, he shitposts 24/7, starts drama (on both discords), shittalks /ssbg/, and obsesses over every /ssbg/ "girl", "ironically" just like he faps to children "ironically"
I love /ssbg/, would anyone like to play?
>>148392790
you dont love /ssbg/ if you play with shitposters
>>148392790
I'll host
>>148370023
>>148391185
See what I mean about those guys who have quick, safe moves that can rush you down, never mind reflect? Unless there's a different struggle in the match-up you think?
>>148393087
Its doable but it is troublesome for pacman, at this point i think switching would be better idk
>>148393401
That might be wise unless you want to practice working around it with Pac. I'll switch off him if you don't want to do that now though
>>148393717
Hmm im going to try bayo for now
>>148392886
Good games Mini-Timmy , that was a ton of fun!
>>148395493
Same, shame we couldn't play more, you were giving a run for my money there!
>>148393717
Im going to go now, thanks for playing with me! till next time
Who /PhD/ here?
>>148397650
Anytime, see you around.
is this game still active on the wiiu? Been thinking of buying one and smash but not sure.
I suck fucking ass so I am only able to be an online warrior.
Looking for Wii U singles / Doubles!
Anyone up for some games wiiu/
Im up for whatevers!!! Even itemss
Nnid: chawklet
>>148397696
Yeah I play him in Melee, much more rewarding than Mario in it
>>148403892
Same
>>148400153
yeah its still plenty active
Do you guys have any idea how much effort I've put into this game? No. I don't think you do. 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, tournament after tournament. I've grinded the tech skill to get the best possible options in every different situation, I can hit 66 frame perfect inputs in various spots throughout the course of a combo, and adapted every possible TAS and fast technique into my playstyle. Someone finds new tech? I implement it immediately into my gameplan and grind it. An easier more consistent setup is found? I stick with the old, faster tech because you can save 2 frames. Do you really think you could even come CLOSE to my level? Sit down kiddo. I am, the grindmonkey.
Two for dubs.
>>148404626
>8 hours a day, 6 days a week
Weak!
>>148404626
cool dude
anyone for a few 3ds?
>>148408945
I got you senpai
What's the best way to practice in your opinions? Do you think that a certain amount of time should be dedicated to practicing every day/week? I'm curious.
>>148409110
is everything ok
>>148410062
The saying, practice makes perfect is very true. Depending on what character you play, it's best to grind on what that character's strong points are, as well as safe options, combos, and mix ups. Never forget basics though, those are ALWAYS essential.
>>148408945
I'm laughing way too hard man, you can also have all my salt m8
>>148410650
What are the basics? You mean like spotdodging or something?
>>148410650
i should probably point out that i'm in the midwestern USA - are you euro?
>>148411430
Recovery, fluidity of movement, aerial movement, study what percents certain moves kill at, learn you character inside and out
>>148411612
My internet has been crappy recently I'm going to get a new router soon, So it's most likely my fault
>>148411998
o ok, np. shit's gettin in tents tho, might have to call it
>>148411612
Alright, I'm calling it, GGs man, had fun!(and salt)
>>148412787
ggs m8y
Anyone want to play?
My NNID is Sakuyadorf
>>148413675
host
>>148414734
hosting
ladder is dead right now
US onry ce6eeac8
>>148415292
nvm found a match love u :)
what the fuck did Leffen do to get deported last time?
>>148415567
Be sweden
We're not dead
HELDEN STARBEN NICHT
>>148424757It's "sterben".
live
>>148428569
fuck off lister
>>148428664
do NOT bully the australian!
>>148429268
fuck off lister
>>148429420
do NOT
>>148350089
She looks like Lydia Deetz
>>148429532
hey buddy i think you got the wrong door, the splatoon club's two blocks down
Lucina is shit
>there are people in this thread right now that play bottom 5 dog
live
Could you guys stop talking about me?
I don't want my /owg/ friends to know I visited this shithole.
>>148444508
no desu
>>148444508
NNID?
Does anyone happen to have a high quality picture of Dedede laying down? just like how he lays down in game. I can't seem to find a decently sized one.
>>148444508
Its mostly just pame lol
>Last character you fought against>They're now hellbent on sodomizing you
How asspained are you?
>>148451857
>cloud
he already does desu
live
3ds games?
>>148459682
nwyn
>S2j getting sponsored by tempostorm
Fucking NOICE
hope he tries a lot more because of this, especially the shiek matchup
>>148459682
Still here?
>>148415567
worked on a vacation visa
>>148461724
finally
Need 1 for dubs
>>148470807
Are you guys still looking?
A couple of questions.
1. How do I defeat fast characters like Sonic as Dark Pit?
2. Why do people switch to Dark Pit sometimes after I lose to them?
3. How do I defeat niggers with more range like Marth, Lucina, Cloud?
>>148474908
Patience
To fuck with you
More patience
>>148474908
I can't give you specific answers, but I will try this:
1. if you're slower: bait and switch
2 dittos
3. ranged characters lose their advantage as soon as you're closer than their optimum range. Get closer. Just stay really close out of their range and use your side b. Use jab if you're in close combat range.
>>148451857
>rosalina
oh my
>>148476618
>>148477321
OH MY
>>148477321
what's behind her hair?
>>148333160
For Glory Clouds are the worst cancer. They're basically FG Links except they're way safer because their character isn't shit.
>>148477561The galaxy
>>148477561
Cthulhu's right eye. He's looking for it quite some time...
how do I beat Ness?
>>148481320
Hit his Pk thunder when he recovers
>>148481320
be passive, if he's aggressive.
Who wants to play doubles?
>>148474908
>how do i beat (character)
I laugh every time
Stay free /ssbg/
what a shithole
>>148484859
You sound like you would cry.
Please stop crying.
>>148484859
its pretty bad
>>148390684
>>148391915
>>148390351
>>148383850
based mods
who hype for evo ?
>>148379778
>leffen wont be at evo to pull another goml
why even watch at this point
>>148488001
im excited. i think evo will be the tournament that decides whether zero is truly dead or not. as far as smash4 goes im hoping to see a big nairo win desu.
for melee im not even sure if ill bother to watch without leffen there. ive been wanting him to win evo ever since he missed ceo
>>148483987
ill play 3ds when I get home from workin three hours
>>148489826
That's nice, but probably too late.
What's your name for future matches?
>>148486121
>yfw pame got banned (once again) and suddenly the threads are all peaceful and quiet
>>148490832jacob___________
>>148491931
No, bad Jacob.
Keep this in mind for future brawls.
Bad Jacob.
daddy please wake up
One for dubs.
>>148369470
He really doesn't have that much going for him.
He's said he runs scripts on his tumblr to keep track of the people that visit his page, I wouldn't be surprised if he collects the IPs of the regulars in the general to see where they are and if they're anonymously shitposting about him.
>>148496218
don't post this
live
>>148496218
I'll dubs if you're still there!
If not, anyone want to play?
>>148492490
fortunately the thread is so dead it's like i made the post minutes ago
>>1485036073ds only
>>148505223
I'm down for 3ds dubs if you need a player
Sending a request
>>148505652
>3ds dubs
idk mang
>>148505736
1v1 works too
>>148505964
o ok
added
>>148506313
I'll be right there
>Items
Well I guess I left those on, fuck
>>148507219
no prob. i can only play a few more tho. gotta be up early for work.
I've been trying to get netplay working for a while now and I've realised that I didnt have my controller plugged into my adapters port 1 so it didnt register the adapter.
Now I've ran into another issue. It seems port 1 is malfunctioning, whenever I plug it in the analog stick just goes to the bottom corner.
Has anyone else had this issue or is it just my adapter being shitty?
would you play smash go
>2ds literally froze on ready screen
well fuck me
guess i'll just call it there - ggs ryan, was fun. love to play more sometime
>>148509139
GGS m8
>Playing on 3DS for the first time in ages
I expected it but damn this is different
who wants to play some video games?
NNID TheListerMister
>>148511224
cmon guys, stop being dead
>>148511224
depends, how many tournaments have you won
