Scharnhorst hype edition
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>>146786178
Also, reminder to keep the thread civil. Shipfu posting is fine, but keep them in sensible numbers and don't let them get out of control.
Good morning /wowsg/, may you have a nice day!
Do your best to make wowsg great again today
>>146945304
This
For some reason I can't help but losing over the last 7 days.
>been doing arguably well in the ;last month with 60%ish wr and 30% more avr damage than server average
>Losing most games last week
>>146951914
>Shipfu posting
I don't know how to say it but this is my general attitude towards KanColle Posts on /wowsg/
>Acceptable
Discussing a ship's WOWs gameplay with picture corresponding to her KanColle counterpart. ("LEL Pened someone bow-on and citadeled him" with a pic of Hotel)
Discussing possible implementation of a ship in wows with related picture from Kancolle("I want Agano class in wows")
>Unacceptable
Spamming the post with Kancolle Pictures without discussion relevant to the game("Would you [x] a [y]" )
>>146951914
So you're the only one allowed to shitpost? Do I understand you correctly Abrach
>>146951914
>>146952146
>>146952375
>>146952803
>>146952895
>>146953208
>4 ip's itt
>one is a phone
>other is autismati reseting his ip
do you faggots enjoy talking to yourselves?
Who SEA here?
>>146953551
Why would you want to know that?
>>146953551
nice cock la
>>146953401
"No"
Shut the fuck up.
>Teeb so mad over his non relevant RN that he needs to create separate thread or he might commit suicide.
Lmao
Bon voyage on your way out of EU
>>146953401
I deleted the post I made because unlike you autistic fucking redditors I don't try to start shit.
>>146953795
>unlike you autistic fucking 4chinners
see we understand you want to bring your pathetic reddit shit over here in an attempt to fit in, but it's forced as fuck and unfunny. you need to gb2 meme school my dude
>>146953963
>>146953795
My favorite Redditor is the Kongou dude who upload epic World of Warships videos, who is yours?
>>146954031
I like that abrach guy. boogbot is pretty good too. I like how they are always using the platoon meme and the t. me me
>>146954031I actually really like his vids, atsf too
Enough with the redditors.
Who is your favorite /wowsg/?
>>146954483
Me.
>>146954434
Arlios does make some really fun and epic Youtube videos, why can't people appreciate good things in life?
>>146954031
>>146954746
arlios marketers need to fuck off tbqh
Tell me about /wowsg/.Why do they wear the shitposts?
>>146938843
STRONK ships for STRONK nation.
Now post le gunbotes ))))))))))))
lel i just had a secondary battery do over 8000 damage in 1 hit to a destroyer. I didn't realise those things were so damaging..
>>146955773
...detonation??
>>146954483
(You)
>>146951914
Thank you based Hotelposter. I like how out of all the threads in the past few months, your OP's are the only good ones.
>>146957135
Stop trying so hard Abrach.
>>146957135
abrach is a cuck dude don't give him attention
>>146952146
>Do your best to make wowsg great again today
>great again
>great
>again
That implies it ever was great, or ever will be great.
German BB line leak where?
This is why noone wants to play cv. Because even if you manage to win over all the many problems CV have, even if you get a matchup where you don't autolose straight away, even if you do the same amount of damage as a decent BB player you still get completely fucked over and get nomoney noxp and respect from your team.
This is everything wrong with CV right now, shitty MM coupled with pathetically low rewards = noone wants to play this shitty class.
>>146957135
He's the most legit and finest player on NA but not just that, he is also capable of copy pasting the original post in previous generals. I think I'm about to wet my panties.
>>146957668
It was, before the SEAutists infested the threads with their "muh pure non-anime thred" shitposting and killed it.
Scharnhorst more like SharnWHOREst
>>146958108
>he is also capable of copy pasting the original post in previous generals
One would even think this is an easy task. And yet so many lads ruin it in their attempts to get some easy epic meme points.
>>146958027
>tfw about to buy Lexington
>>146958252
Don't do it anon. She's not the same since patch 5.3.
>>146958025
they have shit guns because germans in reallity were bad engineers and tried to outbore 16in guns to 17in and shot lightweight shells. bad reload because shells bigger than turret was designed for + weak german men. armor will be ok because muh turtel back. entire line untill h39 will have horrible deck armor and torpaedo bulge. Probably will have a bunch of HP to get farmed. shit concealment because bigger than yamato. there's your leak nazi faggot now neck yourself
>>146958367
t. britcuck
>There are people in this thread who still think abrach is the hotelposter
>There are people in this thread who hate abrach
>There are people in this thread who hate the hotelposter
>>146958367
>they have shit guns because germans in reallity were bad engineers and tried to outbore 16in guns to 17in and shot lightweight shells
That's inaccurate as fuck you fag. Also 420mm isn't 17".Take Two
>>146958527
>420mm
>16.54in
>I don't know how to round because I failed math
jesus christ you german cuckolds are retarded atleast try to pretend you can do basic conversions :^)
>>146958139
>SEA
You are so wrong./wowsg/ died when Anu came back in April. Sure, he posted once in a while but he returned for good in April (when Saipan got released) and that's why we're seeing a lot of names getting dropped by him. Look up the general from the 9th of April and try to find a comparable general before ityou can't.. If the cunt served his permanent ban which he has been evading constantly, we'd have a normal general like in the old days.
>>146958543
Abrach there's no sense continuing to deny who you are.
>>146958675
>Rounding off almost an entire half inch to make it seem like the guns are one inch larger when they they're actually less than half a fucking inch larger
kys
>>146958680
Autists who obsess over other autists need to be banned.
>>146958780
>when they they're actually less than half a fucking inch larger
*ONLY SLIGHTLY MORE THAN
GOD DAMMIT.
>>146958808
Guess who's posts get deleted and banned daily since April? You guessed it right!
>>146958929
Yours?
>>146958680
Until two months ago, anime could be posted without somebody throwing a tantrum. Explain that. Are you going to blame that on anumati too?
It's lunatic, zaya and some other shitposters following on their footsteps.
>>146958027
Why would Noone want to play CV if it's as shit as you say? Is he some kind of glutton for punishment?
>>146958940
You make me blush, oh you.
>>146958967
So you've been here for two months only?
>>146958780
cool so the german 17 inch guns of the h41 which were never built were just outbored 16in guns from the hypothesised h39 which was never built. yet in the end it would have had 7kg lighter shells than the 406mm(16in) mark 7 muricuckistani guns. I'm glad we agree nazitrash. Germans ships will be garbage.
>>146958695
>He thinks I'm abrach
I'm flattered, but you're wrong again.
Hello guys I am Anumati
wave and refugees and anime bashers are responsible for everything wrong with this general
cant u see? im just trying to make this place more like reddit which is the most user friendly hugbox that we all need because we're all autists except me I'm a us army veteran
Also buff CVs please? theyre really weak and erie wipes all my t11 planes i cant kill BBs in one hit its so weak (there this post is game related rofl)
IMO this thread needs more anime because its completely on topic and wargaming endorses kawakados franchises and i need more jerk material since idk what a booru is
>>146958967
You're mega autistic, nobody is throwing a tantrum about anime. It's about the fact you retards post KanColle when you don't play that fucking game at all.
>>146959050
Way to deflect the argument with a thinly veiled newfag callout. But I've been here since the first /wowsg/, and kancolle posting was always a thing.
The rampant anti-anime autism that is ruining the threads is a thing from about 2 months ago.
GIVE ME (Yuu)'S DAMN IT
I WANT THEM ALL
>>146959135
t. abrach
>>146959318
I think the anti anime posting might be due to a quiet more secretive shitposter. wotg used to have the same thing for awile
>>146959283
>KanColle when you don't play that fucking game at all.
>We are just defending KanColle purity!
>Muh secondaries
Why do you even care? People enjoy the cute girls representing their beloved ships. People enjoy the characters themselves. People enjoy the merchandise. People enjoy the porn.
Stop trying to present the playing of a RNG-filled shitty browser game as a badge of honor for a exclusive number of secret club members. Nobody gives a shit.
Is the RNerd in this thread? I have an honest question for him. What could you want for a viable tier 10 BB? Assuming the nelson is the tier 9, would it be a buffed as fuck lion class? Or an even more buffed than that N3? In the case of the N3 though
>20kts top speed at tier 10
Looks like either way, there isnt even a design for a ship that would fit into tier 10 naturally in the whole RN. The cruisers are interesting but the most advanced DD of RN's ww2 fleet doesnt even stack up to the tier 8s in game.
I've also got to ask this: remember when WG announced they'd add a tree for a nation that would be a complete suprise to everyone? If its the argies or the aussies before RN, would that be enough to make you quit the game? Because that would be a very low blow.
>>146959527
That's so brony logic. Fuck off.
>>146959561
>nelson is the tier 9
BIGGU SEVEN
FOR TIER SEVEN
>>146959318
Sure KanColle posting has always been a thing. But in the last few months, the amount has markedly increased, along with the threadly re-use of various QUALITY reaction images and other offtopic content. And guess what this coincided with? Perhaps a certain player returned from his self-imposed 'exile'. Or a certain class had it's skillfloor massively increased?
You're not seriously suggesting that this 'anti-anime autism' is aggression rather then a response to the autism you so constantly point out are you?
>>146959561
>N3
>Top speed of 20kt
That wasn't it's proposed top speed at all, where did you get that? It was something like 25kt. Which would probably get buffed to 27, same as Hotel.
>>146959626
>I just called him a brony, that sure told him!
>>146959527
You make me sick.
>>146959382
I'll give you my spare one.
>>146959767
Thanks m8.
>>146959663
I'm reading through my shit again. The highest top speed for the n3 i can find is 23. If you found 25, i'll trash what i have.
>>146959561
n3 at X wouldn't bother me that much along as it gets the 18in of citadel armor+belt. Also I don't know if they would dare give it 18in guns. They could also go for one of the lion upgrade/proposal/ successor projects. At 8 I'm expecting KGV. The guns aren't going to be great but the thing has tier 10 armor. Lion at t9 would be great because it's basically the iowa but better in every way but speed and about equal in AA. Nelson is probably going to be the 7 probably will play like an izumo at 7 but better in every way because better turret arcs.
If they introduced a fucking belgrano prem I would firebomb minsk
>>146959561
>Assuming the nelson is the tier 9
Yeah because the Izumo is such an enjoyable ship at Tier 9? If Nelson's turret turn rate is glacial, it won't be too overpowered in Tier 7 with the other Big 7.
>>146960039
Izumo isn't enjoyable to play? They buffed turret hp so there's no need to hate it.
>>146954847
Wake up to be the subject of a shitpost. Good morning guys
>>146960039
izumo secondary memes are more fun than hotel tbqh
>>146960157
Everyone is the subject of shitpost in this thread at some point.
Except for me, who shitposts from the shadows.
>>146960157
where the fuck is my fucking sim and yuubarin cuck
>>146960128
Eh, I just think it fits what WG has currently shown thus far. Tier 7 has the two Big 7s with their 16-inchers, Tier 8 has the three fast Battleships shown thus far.
Give Nelson a 55-60 second 180 turret turn time like stock Nagato and less HP to balance out against its 6-9 gun frontal broadside, throw KGV and/or Vanguard at 8 and Lion at 9 and it'd still be a tree.
>>146960157
Is that a Kantai Collection picture with Imgur filename? LOL shut this fucking general down
>>146960003
Regardless, it would get buffed like Montana's was.
>>146960331
Good morning to you too tioga
>mfw reading this thread
>>146959140
That can't be Kaga.
She doesn't have enough plane Capacity in her Hangars.
And so I question your real identity anon.
>>146954847
>If YOUR still LOOSING
REEEEEEEE
>>146960527
>>146960448
Montana didnt really require a buff to speed like the n3 would. It feels like they buffed monty's speed to give it something over yammy.
>>146959283
Who says anons don't actually play it?
Who says you even play it?
Who says they play Warships either to be quite honest comrade.
That's part of the pleasure of this message board, discussion without evidence.That said, I play both.
So saw a few screenshots in the last thread. Ger BB's are a coming! Any idea when? other than
>Soon™
>>146960730
It's just meant to illustrate that they're perfectly willing to do it even when it's not really needed.
>>146960730
Museum speed buff when?
>>146960892
I believe it was somewhere between the end of july/start of august,
>>146960892
>other than >Soon™
Polish forum QA said the middle of summer.
Since the leaked Scharnhorst and Konig Albert were both premiums, I'd put money on those two being on sale some time during 5.8 and the line itself in 5.9
Memebuki is definitely more fun than torpbuki.
>>146960892
>those turrets
The fuck are those, 15.2cms? They don't look like any of the standard BB main guns in kancolle.
>>146961214
>Pluralising unit symbols
>No space between the number and the unit symbol
Please re-read the SI Brochure.
Poorfags when?
>>146961214
Ah yes thank you for reminding me that I am indeed in KanColle warships general.
*tips fedora*
upboted my friend :)
>>146961282
>SI Brochure
it just says
>measure from Antarctica to france
>use random factor or whatever
>trick all of europ into bowing to france
>????
>profit
>>146961214
Has it been awhile since you looked at Haruna's base art?
http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Haruna/Gallery
The barrels just aren't as long as they should be.
![world-war-ii-world-war-war-poster-propaganda-propaganda-poster-usa-DA9HCC[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vnhdlFi.jpg "world-war-ii-world-war-war-poster-propaganda-propaganda-poster-usa-DA9HCC[1].jpg")
Why aren't you playing ships from the navies that actually won the war?
>>146961617
Because torpedoes are fun to use.
>>146961508I haven't had a standard Haruna for a while
Actually, I never really noticed that the Kongou-class turrets don't look remotely like their historical versions in their base configurations.
![Patriotic_World_War_2_Poster_US_Allies_2LG[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/74FgDAk.jpg "Patriotic_World_War_2_Poster_US_Allies_2LG[1].jpg")
>>146961645
you're a sap mr. jap
>>146961714
Most of Konishi's early art has the turrets looking nothing like the real version. It looks like it wasn't until Hatsukaze/Agano class/Kongou Kai Ni's that (s?)he started to draw the turrets like actual turrets.
>>146961318
>baking ketchup
Two nukes weren't enough.
>>146961617
I play cruisers of motherland, tovarisch, to relive our overwhelming naval victories in Great Patriotic War.
>>146961753
Allied propaganda went pretty all-out.
>>146961179
take the next step and get torpedo acceleration
>>146962187
false. that is an accurate representation of king george smashing the germans during the battle for berlin. not propaganda
>>146962187
>US tucked behind even Mexico
kek
>>146962141
>Two nukes weren't enough.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
>>146962387
I would also add that the thousands of female representations of inferior nations craving his superior english cock is also accurate to history
Guys, do Arpbotes have their own voices, or are all one soundpack?
>>146963042
Only Kongo and Iona.
>>146962556
I want to bring Akiducky, Teruducky, and Hatsuducky to a fancy restaurant, order a bunch of delicious food, and not let them eat any. At the end of the meal, I will have the waiter clear all the leftovers and throw them out.
When they come back to their barracks, there will be a single can of sardines and three bowls of steamed barley for all of them.
>>146963042
Some of them do. Eventually, I think all (or at least most) of them will.
>>146963042
Haruna and Kongo get specific voices. The rest of the ARP ships are voiced by Iona.
Kirishima's voice is getting added next patch.
>>146963126
Why are you so cruel?
>>146963102
>>146963126
>>146963371
Well, checked that just now, and really Kongo has different voice.
I thought it's just my little hallucinations, like usualIs she as badass in anime as she sounds to be?
German DDs when?
>5x 15cm guns
>>146961470
IIRC, Iowa doesn't have her actual max speed in game, right?
>>146963126
>>146963530
>"BELL PEPPERS A SHIT"
No.
>>146963701
For balance purposes, they'll have citadels.
>>146962330
I thought of getting TA with the 15km torps, for a net result of 12 km @ 62 knts, worth?
>>146963716
She does. 33 knots standard, can get up to 34.5 or something with flags.
>>146963716
her top speed is 33 kts, as reflected in game with the engine upgrade.
>>146963716
Anon where have you been
>>146963856
>>146963883
Oh? I swear in game it was lower at some point in the past.
>>146963716
she doesn't last time they ran her she couldn't even make 30knts. In game speed is just propaganda bullshit invented in the 40's just like how they lied about her armor
>>146963804
not for the 15k torps, you have to get it to use for the type 93 torpedoes, which puts the speed at 72 kts for maximum memery.
>>146963929
It's called "being buffed"
>>146963931
Iowa specifically could not reach that speed because there was issues with her boilers. The other ships could do it fine.
>>146963981
>8 km @ 72 knts
Must be hilarious when you actually manage to pull off a perfect torpedo run.
>>146963530
Less badass and more just crazy. Deathstar and all that shit.
>>146964140
kek yea sure they ran the wisconsin and missurah all the time m8. and new jersey with hundreds of tons worth of modernization could totally pull 33knts breh. Face it the Iowas are over hyped museums that never saw combat against other BB's
>>146964301
with the concealment modification it happens more often then you'd think. Not to mention the extra speed is great for killing cruisers.
>>146964352
>and new jersey with hundreds of tons worth of modernization could totally pull 33knts breh.
Given that the Iowa in-game does NOT actually mount Tomahawk cruise missiles, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that modernizations after 1945 are not actually factored into their speed.
Who here plays both Kancolle and Wows but never pollutes the threads with shit posting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEGR7m8IXIQ
>national voices finally
5.8 fucking when?
>>146964731
care to cite anywhere where jersey ever made it to 33knts . the iowa is the only one I know of recorded at that speed. and considering that's the same time as when the murricunts were lying about the armor profile. it's suspect
>>146964954
Me.Said no one ever.
>>146964998
>lying about the armor profile
What's this you're talking about? You've got my attention.
>>146964956
Shit I almost forgto to enable those on the test
>Already cruising aroundin in Kagero to get to Speedslut to try various skill sets on her
>Enable National voices
>Suddenly angry Japanese captain is yelling at me in moonspeak
Oh man this is great. It was great when they added it in WoT and it's great here. Bout time.
>>146965114
Just ignore it, it's the britfag. Next he'll start saying that Nelson's didn't take 45 secondsOR LONGERto reload they're guns, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.
>>146965114
the US navy published somewhat exaggerated armor specifications in order to mislead the IJN and KM. They later made the real specs public, but the top speed and overall weapon specifications were correct
>>146965264
except they never were able to show the published speed again because muh boilers must be bad heh, and other it's to expensive to just test them at flank speed lmao trust us. it also doesn't help that her true armor of 12in on the belt is meh compared to the yamato's 16 and KGV's 15in
>>146964998
>http://focus.nps.gov/GetAsset?assetID=95b1c008-585c-435f-b120-abe6adf38a44
>Also, during work up trials off the Virginia Capes on March 27, 1968 she obtained a top speed of 35.2 knots at a speed of 207 RPM on her shafts.
This is in 1968, after significant refits.
>>146964954
I play Kancolleon PS Vitaand WoWS. Zero shitposting.
>>146965531
>except they never were able to show the published speed again
>>146965605
You keep dreaming Firage, How's that new "Super"carrier that you have with the maximum occupancy of 40 aircraft?
>>146965531
Just decided to look and compair iowa armor profiles. Holy shit what were the americans doing. Iowa is literally just a battlecruiser
>12in belt
>1.5in deck
>12in barbetts
I mean fuck atleast they had 11in bulkheads but jesus christ what were they thinking with that deck armor.
>>146965914
Because heavy armor worked out so well for Yamato, that's why we all speak Japanese and worship the Emperor
>>146965814
Well you said
>and new jersey with hundreds of tons worth of modernization could totally pull 33knts breh.
and
>care to cite anywhere where jersey ever made it to 33knts
Well, I cited a source that was approved and accepted by the US Department of Interior, with an exact date and citation proving that the New Jersey met and exceeded 33 knots after its refits. If you want to look it up, there are also testimonies from Veterans from the USS New Jersey that were on board at the time, though I assume you would allege bias.
>>146966027
M8 if hotel had ever met any of the burger botes in open combat with eachother the burgers would have gotten melted. I mean yea you can cop out and say muh aircraft carriers, but then why did you even build the iowa battle cruisers?
>inches
It's called centimeter or millimeter, you uncultured swines.
>>146966093
oh fuck, quoted the wrong post. >>146965531
>>146966171
We built them to escort the carriers, that's why they had such a high speed and so many AA guns.
>>146966272
so why did they have the 16in guns couldn't cheaper 14in guns have done bombarndment duty better and carried more shells. why armor it at all you could have just made speedy AA cruiser platforms. face it m8 you made them to face off with other BB's and every other BB outclassed it. Her escorting cruisers was a benefit of her cheap armorless construction not the reason she was built.
>>146966482
escorting carriers*
>>146966171
The Americans had a far better FCS system.
>>146966616
Is it powerful enough to kill a ship?
>>146966616
We /Assassin's Creed Black Flag/ nao
>>146966737
not really they had better radar but their optical systems had been inferior since the start of the war
>>146966482
Because in order to keep competitve with low armor as you keep bringing up, you would have to increase one other area of construction.
That would be the main batteries, if they could outrange and outdamage most other ships that would ever come into contact with your ship then you wouldn't really need much armor since you could just outrun your enemy's effective range and if they were able to make a hit, then you could easily do x10 their damage in return fire.
It's essentially what the soviets did during the cold war, we had better missile systems and could hit targets more accurately, so the soviets built up multiple times more nuclear missiles than us so they could at least cause mass devastation, even if it wasn't accurate
>>146966616
Pew pew
Also, fuck this guy
ALSO, when the FORT runs out of HP is starts regenerating and doesnt take damage.
>face it m8 you made them to face off with other BB's
Yes, that is part of the job
>face it m8 you made them to face off with other BB's and every other BB outclassed it
Just Yamato, assuming equivalent armor quality? Which other BBs remotely came close?
>muh 15-inch KGV belt
KGV's belt was flat and unsloped, Iowa's was at 20 degrees.
>>146967020
>that image
How l-lewd
Face it Nigel, britannia doesn't rule the waves anymore, the only master of the seas now is the USA
pew pew fuck off khabI died soonish after when they took the cap and the radar array spotted me
>>146967083
>KGV's belt was flat and unsloped, Iowa's was at 20 degrees.
this has to be one of the more retarded things I've ever heard. go back to school kid.
>>146966819
The america had the industry to make a larger better armored ships with better guns but they didn't? The colda war example is bullshit too. the germans found out the hard way making tanks with good guns and shit armor is retarded. notice even today armor is king.
The nips managed to make 3 yamato class hulls with far less.
I mean I guess the iowa could have faced the turpitz, but she would have gotten washed by the lion class or the yamato's which where her true contemporaries or heck the nazi h projects if they had ever been tried.
>>146967609
>the germans found out the hard way making tanks with good guns and shit armor is retarded
What is Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther? They all have good armor and guns, their problem was the drive train, suspension and engine being over engineered.
>The nips managed to make 3 yamato class hulls with far less.
They could have also produced several carriers, planes and had enough fuel left over to actually be effective once they lost the Philippines. The Yamatos were a serious drain on ever resource that the Japanese possesed and every sortie they ever sent them out on brought them one year closer to surrender.
If the Japanese never made the Yamatos and instead focused on carriers and training their pilots to not be suicidal fuckwits they might have taken Hawaii and East Asia
>>146967609
>http://www.combinedfleet.com/okun_biz.htm
>As in the BISMARCK, the British HMS KING GEORGE V Class had a very simple vertical waterline belt of 13.73" (348 mm) CA amidships and 14.71" (374 mm) CA alongside the magazines laminated to 1" (25.4 mm) of "composition material" (cement) and 0.875" (22.2 mm) of D-steel hull plating. There was nothing in front of it and it was not inclined except where the hull began narrowing at the bow and stern, where a slight outboard tilt abreast 'Y' (aft) turret of 5o or so is evident.
>The SOUTH DAKOTA had a weather deck of 1.5" (38 mm) of STS and an upper side hull of one or two spaced layers of 0.625" (16 mm) STS - a 19o outboard sloped extension of the internal armored bulkhead and, covering only the lower half of this upper hull side, an vertical extension of the lower hull.
Again, KGV's belt was flat and unsloped, giving it the advantage in closer engagements but losing efficiency beyond it. Since the interwar period, United States surface combat doctrine involved engagement at extreme range, both to maximize the potential of plunging fire and to mitigate the USN's complete lack of a battlecruiser force which could protect the battleline from being outmaneuvered (http://www.ijnhonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/hone_doctrine-in-the-usn_-rev10-02.pdf). Before you say it, South Dakota uses the same armor scheme and the same thickness as Iowa.
>>146966750
No, it's only good enough to provide a distraction.
>>146967584
Wait, what is happening to sector 2? Why does the cap counter red and green at the same time?
>>146967951
>What is Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther? They all have good armor and guns, their problem was the drive train, suspension and engine being over engineered.
relevance? you were trying to make that retarded cold war argument about muh armor not relevant only gun matter.
Also we are stricktly talking about battleships why did the US dog it when it came to battleships why did america choose to make the Iowa's inferior
>>146968001
>c-check out my unsouced blog
no.
pic related its what balistic caps think about your armor angling 18in shells don't give a fuck. 15in is superior to 12in. vidya is not real life, aspie
>>146968353
Tha's what it looks like even now when they start taking your caps. Youve never noticed?
>>146967083
>20 degrees
where?
>>146968353
t. line riding babbie scum
>>146967083
I'm looking for this 20 degree angled belt armor of you're I can't seem to find it
>>146964956
godbless
i can finally get the full moonrune/vodkarune experience
>>146968469
>pic related its what balistic caps think about your armor angling 18in shells don't give a fuck.
No, it isn't. This was a penetration test on the 16-inch gun on a vertically placed piece of the Yamato's turret face armor. Armor angling was not taken into account at all, which is more a testament to the flawed nature of the test than your argument..
>vidya is not real life, aspie
You're the one just looking at it like vidya where only the material thickness matters.
>>146968680
>>146968950
>a ship's armor ends at its exterior
Here, see pic related.
>>146968950
You cant even see the belt so I doubt youre looking at it
:^)
>>146966819
>if they could outrange and outdamage most other ships
That's about the same flawed thinking that gave birth to battlecruisers. Sure, American ships had better targetting systems (though the claims of perfect pinpoint accuracy of radar-aided fire control at extreme long range during WWII is dubious). But fights never happen under perfect conditions.
Take for example the brawl between Kirishima and Washington/SoDak. Despite radar and their advantages of keeping at range, they ended up fighting at very close range. If instead of a WWI battlecruiser they had fought a more modern ship with decent guns, like Nagato, the fight wouldn't have been as one-sided as it was (tho Nagato probably still loses).
The Iowas were a flawed design as battleships, and truly had no place in anything else than carrier escort role. In a fight under standard WW2 conditions, they would have never been able to operate under the perfect conditions everyone always assume they would force the enemy to fight at (max range, shredding them with super accurate radar-guided super-heavy salvoes). They would've had to fight well inside the visual range of enemy battleships, as most non-CV encounters happened.
That's why the Montanas were planned, and cancelled once it was realized air power was superior anyway. Defending the Iowas as the perfect battleship is silly.
>>146968603
>>146968740
not him, but guys, I've NEVER seen such thing
it looks like both teams are capping simultaneously
maybe it's because of fortress?
>>146968469
>relevance?
nigga you literally said: "the germans found out the hard way making tanks with good guns and shit armor is retarded"
and I've told you how overengineered ships like Yamato fialed in their primary purpose to cause:
1. Fear, since every time a Yamato was spotted it was either sunk (Musashi, Shinano) or ran away after getting scratched (Battle of Leyte)
2. Decisive victories, Because it was never in a position to support battles it was in, or was able to actually affect the outcome of a battle.
And you can blame that partly on the commanders, but even then you can make the argument of why even build the ship class if you aren't ever going to use it?
The Iowa was successful since it completed its' roles of protecting carrier task forces, Supporting landing troops and surviving.
I don't see a floating museum for Bismarck, nor do I see one for Vittorio Veneto. Did they complete their objectives and goals? Bismarck and Tirpitz certainly inspired fear, but they didn't interdict shipping as much as the cheaper and easier to produce Uboats that were already deployed and well proven to be effective.
So unless you have an argument talking about how the Iowa failed any of their objectives or how they failed being ships I would love to hear them.
>Have national voices on
>A Moskva uses the Good luck fair seas quick message
>The soundbite plays for it
>It's in Japanese
NANI?
>>146969040
>No, it isn't. This was a penetration test on the 16-inch gun on a vertically placed piece of the Yamato's turret face armor. Armor angling was not taken into account at all, which is more a testament to the flawed nature of the test than your argument..
That test was also done at unrealistically close ranges. At that range Iowa is already dead.
>>146967369
godbless
the japs still had the best looking botes, but the burgers come in close secondand their ships were actually good
C-can I find any russians here?
>>146969451
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>>146969234
>That's about the same flawed thinking that gave birth to battlecruisers.
No, it isn't, it's literally the opposite sort of thinking. The whole point of battlecruisers is to turn the enemy battleline at close range, in the dreadnought sort of battle seen at Jutland or in the Denmark Strait. At longer-ranged engagements a battlecruiser loses its purpose, because
This was why the United States was fine with just the Standard Type Battleships in spite of their inferior speed, because they planned to fight far beyond the ability of the RN or IJN to be able to dictate the terms of battle with their battlecruisers.
>>146969384
erm
everything voiced comes from your 'radio-operators room' or 'bridge'
they use language of nation your ship belongs to.
>>146969492
Sorry, I dropped off midsentence.
>At longer-ranged engagements a battlecruiser loses its purpose, because
it's much more difficult to practically cross a battleline and cross the enemy fleet's T at 25-30 km
>when you have to carry the weight of a shitty tashkent
>>146969040
>You're the one just looking at it like vidya where only the material thickness matters.
no friend you are the one looking at it like vidya. Irl shells don't give a fuck about angle until a certain point. Also your pic only serves to make iowas armor profile look even weaker. I mean holy fuck what were they thinking.
>>146969350
>nigga you literally said: "the germans found out the hard way making tanks with good guns and shit armor is retarded"
Tigers are not by any means equivalent to the naval tech of the time. YOU were the one making the argument to cold war era tanks and they are the most equivalent. the challenger is far superior to the leopard 1 because its armor profile and armament and speed are good. Late battle ships are much more similar to MBT's than you seem to understand. They had great speed armor and guns. Yet the Americans retardedly under armored the iowas for the sake of slightly more speed. If they had ever met with other battle ships as was their intended purpose they would have gotten wiped. If you're going to get desprate and just claim they were AA platforms then why not just build pure AA platforms because clearly the iowas were unneccessary
>I don't see a floating museum for Bismarck
probably because it got raped by better designed british battle ships with good armor good guns and decent speed.
>>146969624
Jesus fucking christ I can't tell what ribbons are what.
I have four different Kongos, and none of them is IJN Kongo
I think WG should start releasing other ARP ships
>>146970034
they're literally labelled and recolored vanilla ones
are you high?
>>146970002
Name an instance where I said tank or referred to a tank in this post:
>>146966819
>>146969451
Russians as in who speak Russian? (Da, comrade) Or who play on RU server? (No, comrade) Or actual Russians,from Russia.
>>146969492
>No, it isn't, it's literally the opposite sort of thinking. The whole point of battlecruisers is to turn the enemy battleline at close range, in the dreadnought sort of battle seen at Jutland or in the Denmark Strait. At longer-ranged engagements a battlecruiser loses its purpose, because
No. The whole point of battlecruisers is to kill cruisers and run away from battleships. "Speed will be their armor", it was said.
They are NOT supposed to engage battleships. They're NOT supposed to fight in a battle line. Otherwise they get shredded, and this was proven from time to time. Commanders put them into battle lines against battleships since they had battleship guns, and everytime they got blown the fuck out by proper battleships. See: Jutland, the sinking of the Hood.
Now, going back to Iowa, the whole "they will outrange everything, so they don't need armor" is just as flawed, because engagements rarely ever happen under ideal circumstances. Even with radar and spotters, fights in WWII always devolved into either visual-range fights or air battles. Assuming an Iowa will fight enemy battleships at ranges where they can't fight back it's wishful thinking and just hoping everything works out perfectly. Same wishful thinking as the battlecruisers with "they will just run away from the enemy battleships", which never worked out in real life.
>>146969040
Going on with this, this is the fundamental difference between the RN/KM battleships and the later USN/IJN/MN battleships.
Royal Navy and Kriegmsarine battleship design was heavily influenced by the battle of Jutland, where poor weather forced both the Royal Navy and Imperial German Navy to engage at 15km or less. At close ranges, shells approach at angles closer to the horizontal, and that necessitates a strong belt. Compare the picture in that post to pic related, the KGV and Scharnhorst's design. A thick, vertical belt functions reasonably in every range of engagement--somewhat better than sloped belts at close range and somewhat worse than sloped belts at long ranges. This came at the cost of weight, of course (see KGV's 28 knots to Richelieu's 30 or Iowa's 33).
For the French, who prioritized the speed to catch up to their Italian enemies, and the Japanese and Americans, who envisioned fighting engagements at long distance in the Pacific, sloped armor makes much more sense: it's lighter (facilitating weight savings), and at the engagements expected of 381mm, 46cm and 16-inch guns, its protection is superior to flat armor. The spaced nature of the armor in the US, MN and IJN designs also helps to decap the ballistic cap and substantially reduce penetration ability.
>>146970397
>No. The whole point of battlecruisers is to kill cruisers and run away from battleships. "Speed will be their armor", it was said.
>They are NOT supposed to engage battleships. They're NOT supposed to fight in a battle line.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlecruiser#First_battlecruisers
>While the Invincibles were to fill the same role as the armoured cruisers they succeeded, they were expected to do so more effectively. Specifically their roles were:
>Close support for the battle fleet. They could be stationed at the ends of the battle line to stop enemy cruisers harassing the battleships, and to harass the enemy's battleships if they were busy fighting battleships. Also, the Invincibles could operate as the fast wing of the battlefleet and try to outmanouevre the enemy.
They can also be used to chase cruisers, disperse their screen or chase fleeing battleships. But they were always envisioned as a part of the battle line.
>>146970214
Oh now that I'm reading it I'm starting to realise you are also completely unknowledgeable about the cold war aswell. Soviets did have worse missile guidance so they resorted to using larger warheads on larger mirv platforms like the ss-18. That's a computers tech problem. It wasn't the reason they built more warheads. They built more warheads because american ABM tech was far ahead by leaps and bounds. I would suggest you research the implications of ABM's before you mischaracterize the cold war again friendo. :^)
>>146970002
>Irl shells don't give a fuck about angle until a certain point.
They do when we're looking at armor over ten-inches thick.
>Also your pic only serves to make iowas armor profile look even weaker. I mean holy fuck what were they thinking.
You have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to actually elaborate on what you mean, I'll be glad to listen, though.
>>146970414
ironicaly though the iowa had neither a strong belt a strong deck strong conning tower strong turrets or strong barbetts compared to her competition . what does this mean?
>Essex is censored on test server
TOP
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>>146970650
>They do when we're looking at armor over ten-inches thick.
>I have no understanding of armor composition
>I have never read a single fucking thing about modern armor
neck yourself aspie
>>146970762
You didn't read. Iowa's belt angle means that its armor is stronger than most of its competitors except for Yamato (assuming equivalent armor quality), and its deck armor is equivalent to its French and British equivalents, and vastly superior to its German equivalents.
>>146970762
>500lbs of ice cream a week
>900lbs of burgers a week
reminder that this is literally 90% of the Iowa class displacement
>>146970898
>I have never read a single fucking thing about modern armor
Does World War II armor sound like modern armor to you, moron?
>>146970979
would you mid proving that with math friend and proof how the iowas belt is superior to the KGV
>>146971078
You seem to not understand that battleship armors were basically early nera and layered armor composites. git gud read a book.
>>146958367
>>146958675
>>146959115
Remember to ignore britcuck ebin trole posts, or respond with anime smug faces.
It's funny watching the britfag have absolutely no argument, yet he keeps acting like he does.
>>146971609
AND he keeps getting (You)s like he does.
>>146971480
>>146971609
gibe math fags.
Also I prefer the edglorde romel and hitler pics tbqh. jewkiller rage pleases me.
>>146971243
>would you mid proving that with math friend and proof how the iowas belt is superior to the KGV
Yes, I already linked it at
>http://www.combinedfleet.com/okun_biz.htm
>Assuming the shell used is the German 38cm, the King George V is effectively penetrated (EL, Effective Ballistic Limit) at 20.9 km and below, whereas teh the South Dakota's outer decapping layer would prevent the shell from penetrating. At lower ranges, however, South Dakota is more vulnerable to plate damage/spalling or ineffecitive penetrations (HL and NL) at lower ranges than the King George V.
>>146971243
>You seem to not understand that battleship armors were basically early nera and layered armor composites.
Yeah and Bows and Arrows were basically early guns. Read a book yourself, preferably one that's era-appropriate.
>>146972095
>>146971243
>>146971681
Also, before you bitch about the lack of the exact math or citations, the tools used are here
>http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/index_nathan.php
and the exact formulae used to calculate the penetrations is at
>http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/Hstfrmla.htm
>>146972095
>Yes, I already linked it at
you linked an unsourced blog
try again. This time use your own math and understanding of armor friendo :^) also argument to muh navyweps blog so the math must be correct. try again friendo. Do the math yourself and come to a conclusion to use
>>146972095
>Yeah and Bows and Arrows were basically early guns
So you seem to be far too illiterate to understand armor. please come back when you aren't this basic
>>146970898
Tank autist here:
The angle a projectile meets armor is certainly essential to the likelihood of penetration, as a projectile meeting a sloped surface would have to defeat more armor and expel some of it's energy unevenly across the projectile mass when attempting to penetrate compared to an impact against a flat surface. For a simplistic and readily observable demonstration I suggest you look at the design of German and American tank hulls both before and during the Second World War. You will notice a trend of flat surfaces on the front of the hull that could be easily targeted being replaced by smoothly angled armor with little to no surfaces that could be made to catch projectiles better than the surrounding area. They didn't do this for aesthetic purposes, adding slope to hull armor contributed to making it more effective and they came to understand this.
Please be civil.
>>146972482
yea nah modern projectile composition makes such claims irrelevant. theirs a reason for the modern brick face look. angles are irrelevant unless they are so extreme that heat warheads won't prime. gb2 treadhead kiddo and let them gape your anus before trying to meme here kiddo.
>>146972210
What's even the point when Britcuck here is clearly too dumb to understand the math.
>actually responding to this low quality "where are the proofs))))" bait
Really shameful.
I'd rather have anime shitposting than this bullshit of arguing with no factual basis on both sides
>>146972376
>you linked an unsourced blog
I just linked all the sources the guy used at >>146972210
as well as the exact formulae.
>also argument to muh navyweps blog so the math must be correct.
As opposed to you linking to an argument pulled out of your ass?
>Do the math yourself and come to a conclusion to use
Feel free to use the formula provided to prove the Okun wrong. I've cited a source, where's yours? You don't even have an "unsourced" blog to quote from or any math to base your argument on, at all.
>So you seem to be far too illiterate to understand armor.
I'm not the one claiming he knows about guns because he shot a bow and arrow once.
>>146972482
Adding to this, modern composite armor on tanks is an evolution to a challenge that isn't seen in naval artillery or the age of big guns, shaped charges and HEAT, as opposed to purely kinetic projectiles. Composite armor is primarily designed to defeat the shaped potential of HEAT shells and ATGMs, and doesn't compare with Naval armor ballistics, which are primarily concerned with solid shells.
>>146970541
>expected
>could
And everytime they actually went anywhere near a battleline, they got blown the fuck out. Battlecruisers were a retarded idea.
>>146972869
>Composite armor is primarily designed to defeat the shaped potential of HEAT shells and ATGM
You couldn't be more incorrect particularly if you were to take a look at composites like the t80's which attempt to shear rod penetrators as they enter or the lecleric's armor scheme which is entirely designed vs KE. don't try to talk about shit that you only have a passing knowledge of kiddo
>>146973060
>You couldn't be more incorrect particularly if you were to take a look at composites like the t80's which attempt to shear rod penetrators as they enter or the lecleric's armor scheme which is entirely designed vs KE. don't try to talk about shit that you only have a passing knowledge of kiddo
Well then, show me, with your great knowledge of the T-80s composite armor or the Leclerc's armor scheme, how the T-80 or Leclerc's composite armor is anything close to that of a World War II Battleships.
And I don't mean just "they were made out of different kinds of things," how those different things interact to defeat those solid projectiles in warships.
>>146973239
>and just like last time you refuse to show any actual understanding of your source.
Please, tell me what the tables and sources mean and what I got wrong then.
>get maymayed on kid
That's all you have after all, maymays. Where are you sources that angle of impact does nothing in World War II battleships? Where is your source that World War II warships armor is anything analogous to modern composite armor outside of the idea that "they are made of different things?"
>>146972780
It's like a goldmine here. The bong can't lose.
>>146973501
>Please, tell me what the tables and sources mean and what I got wrong then.
The onus is on you friendo to proof your source not me. Do the math for yourself aspie :^).
>>146973710
No, actually. You asked for a source, I provided it along with the links to all necessary data and calculations. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the source is unreliable or incorrect, or that my understanding of the source is incorrect.
You didn't provide any conflicting sources, so it's not like you have anything to base your argument on apart from an attempt to invalidate my source. So go ahead, provide the calculations or sources that disprove it.
POST YOUR PROOFS TOVARISH )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>146973975
Yet you have no understanding of the source and it is a blog. I did not ask you for a sourtce I asked you to use your own math to proof your argument as you lied about your understanding of the subject. try again.
>>146974029
>>146974161
no proofs here )))))))))
>>146973710
boogpls
>>146974160
>Yet you have no understanding of the source and it is a blog.
Prove that I misunderstand it, and source the original material I cited.
>I did not ask you for a sourtce
You asked for math, and I linked somebody who did the math, and you have provided no conflicting mathematical evidence.
>as you lied about your understanding of the subject.
Where is your source, mathematical or otherwise, that proves that?
>Britcuck right now
>>146974350
>Prove that I misunderstand it,
you never proved that you understood it burden +1
>You asked for math
I asked YOU to display understanding with mat burden +1
>Where is your source
You made the original clam and failed to argue it (posting a blog is not an argument :^) burden +1
>>146974247
not even me, friendo
WHERE
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WHERE
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PROOFS
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>>146972845
You brought this upon yourselves. Now you deal with the consequences.
>>146974653
proofs it tovarish )))))))))))
>>146974856
Lets drink tea Kongo, these "people" want to argue amongst themselves.
>>146972845
desu I think this is a rather refreshing change from the norm
>>146974856
Fuck retards like Kongou.
>>146972745
>angles are irrelevant
Not when slope literally increases the amount of armor material a projectile has to defeat.
>HEAT not priming because of angle
Unless the projectile slides off the plate because of wacky physics then it's going to prime and try to defeat whatever fun layers of countermeasure material science has come up with.
The U.S. is also using a kinetic penetratior and not a HEAT projectile for it's anti-armor work and the former Soviet Union and current Russian Federation spent or is spending most of it's research on composites and ERA specifically trying to defeat kinetic penetrators. So HEAT isn't the only main threat to armor where modern MBTs are concerned.
Also
> 'yea nah modern projectile composition makes such claims irrelevant'
I was under the impression that you two were discussing the particulars of WW2 era ships and as far as I'm aware there exists no HEAT projectile meant for WW2 era battleships to sling at each other.
>>146974937
>mint tea
disgusting
>>146975039
I'd fuck Kongou
>>146974597
>you never proved that you understood it burden
I cited the table, the exact meanings of the terms I used and the meanings, as described on the page. The burden of proof is on you to prove that my reading of the material was incorrect.
>I asked YOU to display understanding with mat
I can't mathematically prove the principles of physics exists without looking it up, and most likely neither can you, but we proceed under the assumption that it is true because accredited individuals have done the math to prove it.
Even if I can't provide mathematical proof, the writings and calculations of an accredited and published member of a naval warfare journal are not invalidated, in the same way Isaac Newton's principles of physics aren't disproven if a single adherent cannot prove it mathematically.
In the end, all you can do is try to prove that I misinterpreted the article by said individual, and you haven't done so.
>You made the original clam and failed to argue it (posting a blog is not an argument :^)
Clearly you haven't ever seen academic writing. Every academic paper ever makes an argument based on citations of the works of others. In the case of that blog, it belongs to an accredited individual who has peer-reviewed and published in an academic journal. It is a sufficient argument, unless you can somehow prove my argument based on my reading of the document to be incorrect.
