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/sthg/ - #485 - Real Hedgehog Edition
>Link Compilation<
http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK
>Drawfag/Writefag Idea Walls<
http://pastebin.com/j8KkPQ4n
http://pastebin.com/jNKKMk5b
>News/Developments
SEGA Confirms New Sonic Project Coming 2017
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/06/sega-confirms-new-sonic-project-is-coming-in-2017/
Sonic Humble Bundles
https://www.humblebundle.com/sonic-25th-anniversary-bundle
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/sonic-comics-bundle
Tons of Unseen Sonic Concept Art Revealed
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/06/lots-of-unseen-concept-art-of-sonic-and-company/
Sonic: Mega Drive First Look, Sequel Revealed
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/06/first-look-at-sonic-mega-drive-1-reveals-sequel/
Sonic Boom Fire & Ice E3 Trailer
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/06/sonic-boom-fire-ice-e3-trailer/
Runners is Dead.
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/05/sonic-runners-shutting-down-next-month/
Sonic is joining the cast of LEGO Dimensions!
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/06/09/sonic-hedgehog-joins-lego-dimensions/
>Recent Releases<
Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games is out for 3DS; WiiU on June 24. Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice is out for the 3DS on September 27.
Sonic Boom's first season has ended! You can watch all of the first season's episodes in English here:
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/anime/sonic-boom
Previous thread: >>146540085
fast
Will we see Marine again?
Great, now there's two threads.
>>146606343
>first panel
That's one pissed hedgehog right there
I hate all of you.
So when Sonic finally kicks it either this year or next year, what franchises will you guys go to for your video game fix?
#485 - Tardcarnival Night Zone
>>146606542
I don't really play video games anymore.
Die Alone, Hazama
>>146606542
Probably whatever kind of fuckery Kojima has planned.
>>146606542
Eh, I've been done playing vidya for years now. Maybe I'll go back through my NES backlog.
>>146606481
Never. Japan likes Sticks design more so Marine's done.They made them the same color on purpose.
>>146606891
Sticks was always meant to replace Marine. Just like how Boom replaced mainline
Favorite Sonic memory?
>>146606981
Speaking of, how well do you think Fire and Ice will do?
>>146607129
In terms of sales, the worst of any anniversary game. In terms of actual game, barely a notch above 06
>>146607123
Playing Generations for the first time. It gave me so much hope and joy that I thought I couldn't get from Sonic. I really thought that Sonic was back on top.
>>146607129
Better than the last one, but not a hit seller.
>>146607123
Playing06_____with my sister when we were kids
>>146607432
You posted her.
>>146607432Metal Sonic
>>146607432
mama robotnik
>>146607432
Was that you who posted that paragraph aboutSonic and a strangera few threads back?
>>146607432
Momma Robotnik
>>146607662
No.I'm the writefag who wrote the AliciaxElias shit A.K.A. The Procrastinator.
>>146608116
Oh. Never mind then.
>>146607123
100%ing Generations
>>146607432
Bunnie would make for the best, but we never got her being a mother..Aliciagets my vote.Rosemary a worst, but I'd still read a fic about her.
>>146608562
>Bunnie would make for the best, but we never got her being a mother.. Alicia gets my vote.
If only M30YL wasn't so shit we could've had it.
>>146608562Rosemary is for literally nothing but /ss/ wincest.
Because the second you start taking her seriously she's literal Locke levels of parenthood.
>>146607432Lien-Da's the hottest mom of them all. 50+ years and she's still a bombshell.
>>146609094
I'm >>146607494 and I'm changing my answer to what this anon said.The only Wincest Lien Da we have is fucking palcomix
>>146608758Still can't figure out if it's because of /ss/ itself, or just pic related.
>>146609215
Ehhh,Lien-da will be kinda hard for me to write since I don't really like her as a character and while she may be hot she's also very impulsive and as such she's hard to write logically. I might try though.
>>146609353
Nothing ventured, nothing gained anon. I trust your writing.
>>146609320If you were a mother of THAT, how could you not have the hots on? Especially with all that upcoming libido.
This is going to be deleted isn't it?
>>146609715
He's called shotafox for a reason.
>>146606481
Depends solely on if we ever see the Sol Dimension again.
>>146609958
>solely
>Sol Dimension
>>146610405
Who are those OCs?
>>146610769
my new original character Blonic
>>146610405
Upper middle right is cutest Sonic
>>146610769
Some Mario clone guy
Just finished Lost World.
Final fight music was buttrock tier.
The game wasn't bad at all, Apart from the story,you had so much to work with and you didn't think Tails being a robot couldn't have been cool or Eggman's 'death' be more shocking or fucking what have you. I mean Sonic Colours had a lot you could have done with it but the escaping the black whole will be one of my favourite moments in Sonic so meh, I mean, a couple of levels were bullshit and the controls could do with tweaking but I went into it thinking it was going to be the worst thing.
I mean, not as good as Adventures or Classics or Colours + Generations, but the 2D was pretty damn awesome at times.
>>146611363Test
I spoilered the story bit what the hell /sthg/.
>>146609950I'd like to imagine that Rosemary demands that Tails stays home whenever he's not on a mission when he enters his teenage years and to everyone it seems to be because she wants to protect him more but in reality it's because Tails' hormones need to be taken care of.
I need to take a cold shower.
>>146611495
I had that happen to me before a few times.
>>146611495
>Lost World
>story
>>146611495
It's been a few yearsand nobody likes LW's plot anyway, so I doubt spoilers will hurt anyone's hot opinions.
>>146611363
It's just a step down from the last games that Sonic really didn't need.
>>146611363
People give the game overall a lot of shit because of the ass story but the gameplay is simply mediocre. Nothing offensive but nothing stellar either but it came at an awful time and was followed by something that was borderline offensive at an even worse time. I personally dislike the control scheme and how it affects playing the game but others tend to be more willing to bend over backwards in order to play a game "properly".
>>146611625
Fair enough.
The worst thing is there was so much more that could be expanded upon.
And a lot more references made.
>Little Planet like planet
>Sonic X-Treme type levels
>Knuckles the Enchilada not looking after the damn Master Emerald
I didn't mind them not trawling through Sonic's past when the previous games tried too hard to include everything but aww damn please at least read up on them.
>>146612217
>P&G in charge of knowing Sonic's history
Anon, they had to go to wikipedia in order to put references to his past in Gens. Do you really think they cared?
>see that sonic cd is free for phones on amazon, grab it
>sonic dash is also free with contest bullshit added in
>enter random drawing for a free gaymen pc and $2500 amazon gift card
>but since we know you won't win, we'll also give you a $10 gift card
>BUT ONLY IF YOU COLLECT 2500 OF OUR BOXES IN 5 DAYS
Is grabbing all of these smirking bastards really worth 10 fucking dollars? Jesus, I've never played a phone game but this shit's mind-numbing.
>>146612556
It'd be nice if they did.;_;
>>146613519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glTnjGmjTcQ
How do I re-experience the 2000s?
>>146607123
>friends as school convince me to buy a gamecube to play sonic
>I got heroes
>played it non stop and had so much fucking fun
>>146607123
Me and my brother sneaking into our older bro's room to use his 360 and download the 06 demo, we were so fucking hype. I guess asides that it would've been Sonic in Smash (both the melee hoax and the actual brawl announcement).
anyone got shots of the joypolis merch like the shirts and everything?
>>146615710
>>146607123
Honestly?Watching Sonic X.
I don't know how but I really got into the show and the characters, it was engaging and it was great to have something relatively long I could enjoy to get my Sonic fix.
>>146614469
Gotta go back in time.
>>146616116
>>146607123
Beating Metropolis Zone for the first time.
All I want for sonic's 25th anniversary is for sonic's shitty friends to come back. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?
>>146616816
>IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?
Yes.
>>146616816
Yes, this shitty game coming out in 2017 is going to be shit because we deserve shit.
>>146616414
To a better world
>yfw when this sonic project is a new anime coming out
Will 2017 be the year of Sonic?
>>146617189
I miss this 2000s. Fuck this lit netflix and chill garbage
Sonics
>>146617328
No.
>>146617223
>Sonic anime ties in with Marza movie
Playing S3&K for the first time. This level is stressing me out something fierce.
>>146617381
I really cant stand the texture on Sonic in Generations.
>>146617223
They definitely have the potential to make a good one look at how nice the animation was for the sonic riders opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qVfBEUGxeo
>>146617328
No, we deserve shitty games because of how we treated Sega, why should they be forced to put in effort to please a whiny fanbase.
>>146607123
Sonic Mega Collection, playing through Sonic 3 and Knuckles with my little brother, him as Sonic and me as Tails, kicking ass.
Reading the comics and listening to that music too.
Can't listen to it for too long now, it genuinely makes me quite sad now, too many years have passed since then, don't get excited over games anymore and everything's too serious and applying for jobs and I wish I could go back to doodling Sonic art while listening to that music but nope.Also Sonic R fuck you I played Gems Collection like a motherfucker shit was dope.
Guy I work at Sega and I'd like to announce Sonic Boom Fire & Ice will be launching the same day as Pokemon Sun & Moon and that the next mainline Sonic game will be launching on the same day as Zelda Breath of the Wild!
>>146618167
I know you're full of shit because there won't BE another mainline game.
>>146617223
>>146617835
It's going to be shit
>>146618217
I just said I work for Sega you little shit back sass me again and you're banned from Fast.
>>146618167
F&I was announced for sept 27th tho
>>146618230
>Something Sonic related after 2011 being shit
Stop the fucking presses!
>>146618290
>Banned from fast
How can I be banned from something that doesn't exist
>>146618353
That's it, no more speed for you.
>>146618297
Delayed until Pokemon.
>>146617597
Feminazis are the worst things to ever happen this decade
>>146617553
Thankfully, that's the worst level in the game.
Except all of Carnival Night Zone. I hate that zone for whatever reason.
>>146618449
>tfw they killed goth girls
It's about time I got my revenge tbqh
>>146617850
More like we deserve shitty games because we were stupid enough to think Sonic's a good franchise to begin with
>>146614469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4tpuu-Up90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yhyp-_hX2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBfHwUxHIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qm8PH4xAss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUT5rEU6pqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbelmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Qp38qT-xI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDwb9jOVRtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU
>>146619081
Banging list brother.
>>146619081
where the fuck is Ocean's Avenue?
Mortal kombat vs Sonic Universe when?
>>146619064
This, sonic was never good, not even the classic sonic
How can we make /sthg/ better?
>>146619921
By killing it
>>146619921
Start shadowbanning faggots
>>146619983
Why kill it?
>>146619921
Everyone stops doing everything until there's a new comic issue and we get the new game.
Alternately we just go full Zootopia and pump this fucker full of original content.
>>146620118
>shadowbanning
Reddit's that way.
>>146620179
Because it's awful
>>146619921
With more Sally
>>146619983
We need to pull it out by the roots! Wipe the slate clean -- burn it down! And from the ashes a new /sthg/ will be born! Evolved but untamed! The weak will be purged -- and the strongest will thrive -- free to post as they see fit! They'll make /sthg/ great again!
>>146620292
It wouldn't be so bad if you stopped being a faggot
>>146620548
Sonic fans are faggots by nature though
>>146620345
>Platinum makes a Sonic game in 20XX
How would this make you feel?
>>146620595
Isn't Platinum doing enough right now?
>>146620802
Shit, they are. But it's not 20XX yet, so they still have some time.
>>146620925
They'll always have something better to do than make something Sonic-related
>>146620925
Sonic game by Platinum coming 2063
>>146620595
It'd actually be really good if they were given time, but Sega would probably be cheap and only find a basic cash-grab like Korra/TMNT/etc.
I mean, Sega couldn't even fund Bayonetta 2 and she's technically their IP.
The constant whining that nothing is good enough be it sonic or this general is why we can't have nice things. There really is no good place to talk about sonic, is there?
>>146621034
>No good place to talk about an irrelevant, practically dead
Why are you so surprised
>>146621136
Why does sonic have to be selling like hot shit to be talked about?
>>146621353
Sales are no indication of quality or relevance.
>>146621353
It doesn't have to be. It just has to be good. Sadly it hasn't even been doing that
>>146621419
Quality I'll agree on, but relevance is directly tied with sales.
You know what they should do? Take the fact that Sonic's a joke now and run with it even further. Turn him into the video game equivalent of Sharknado and make his games bad on purpose. Think along the lines of Goat Simulator, but with Sonic. A broken as fuck game engine, incredibly self aware story that constantly breaks the 4th wall, purposefully bad graphics and gameplay, and a 0 effort soundtrack. Market it as an "ironic" game series and you've got free money and LPbait
>>146622209
So Boom, in other words.
will the comics ever be this lewd again?
>>146622324
Kind of, but make it bad on purpose to give the illusion that no effort was put in. It still tries to be good, but it's a step in the right direction with being 100% self aware and not taking itself seriously
I'm going to learn how to draw so this general can have more life in it.
![Sonic_Dreams_Collection_press_splash_image[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/yI5dgut.png "Sonic_Dreams_Collection_press_splash_image[1].png")
>>146622209
>>146622407
There are more than enough "ironically" bad fan games that Sega doesn't need to waste money making one themselves.
>>146622407
This makes me wonder how many people know why Boom was bad, and not just assume "(lol sega sucks"
>>146622407
Again, Boom. Or at least the Boom cartoon.
>>146622581
True, but it'd be a good idea for them to embrace that side of Sonic and make it what he is. You know what they say, you either laugh with them or get laughed at. And wouldn't you rather laugh with them
>>146622650
It's in the right direction, but it's still putting effort in and is objectively decent. What I want is the equivalent of Sharknado or Birdemic 2 where it's objectively awful on purpose
>le make him an ironic lets play meme
Fuck. Off.
>>146622798
He's already become a Let's Play meme, so instead of trying to fight that fact, embrace it. Sonic's about being cool, and what's "cooler" right now than Let's Plays and ironically liking things?
>>146622873
You and I don't want to see this fate for our little blue friend, do you?
>>146622650
>Boom cartoon
>bad on purpose
>bad at all
do people even watch it to be saying these things?
>>146622935
Maybe you don't, but I think it'd be the best option for Sonic right now.
>>146622951
You're not allowed to say anything past colors was good on /sthg/, optimism and happiness is not allowed here.
>>146623078
That's not true. People here like Generations and the Boom cartoon's alright
so what do YOU call sonic's world?
christmas tree head
How do we make Sonic great again?
>>146623193
See >>146622209 or alternatively just kill him off
>>146623193
Sega needs to stop trying to please an impossible to please fandom.
>>146623249
No, memester.
>>146623320
You got any better ideas anon?
Hard mode: The ideas have to be somewhat grounded in reality
>>146623249
I'm fine with killing of sonic as long as the general stays alive. There is plenty of fan games to talk about and I like the art posted here
>>146623378
Work on a 2D Sonic game with Taxman and Stealth?
>>146623501
I said realistic. That's not happening any time soon
>>146623546
Make a good video game about Sonic?
>>146623619
Are you even trying anymore?
>>146622521
you can do it, anon
I believe in you
>>146623672
Hey, anythings better than giving into memetards
>>146623672
You're fucking impossible to please. This is why sonic will never improve: you want a never-ending pity party.
>>146623735
Yeah, anything's better than making guarenteed money!. Wait that doesn't sound right
>>146623793
Sonic will never improve because the people in charge are absurdly incompetent
>>146622521
Just don't try to kill yourself when people inevitably shit on you.
>>146623864
>Selling out
>>146623927
Oh please, not like that's anything new for Sonic, or are you forgetting about SA2?
>>146623378
fire iizuka
fucking mariofag
>>146623981
>SA2
>Selling out
Hmm?
Let me guess, you think Shadow was a cash-in on emos or goths, right?
>>146623873
I like harsh honest criticism like /ic/ does
>>146624112
No, Soap Shoes dumbass. You know, the whole reason grinding became a thing?
>>146624210
At least they tried to make the game good. Sonic being meme simulator like you said won't really do the fans any good.
>>146623864
>Sonic will never improve
Sonic improved before. It can do so again. You are completely retarded if you think that Sonic will never be able to improve.
>>146623981
>>146624210
>selling out
>letting a shoe company advertise in your game so they can increase profits
it was literally a last minute add-in, as early game footage showed sonic wearing his regular shoes, so it wasn't because they needed more money
also looks like you forgot that shadow's shoes were also designed by soap
Fleetway had it's moments.
>>146624351
No, but it'll make it popular again
>>146624354
He's improved before, and fallen back into his old ways again, getting worse and worse each time
>>146624375
Fine, what about those fucking Olympic Games. Those are the definition of sellout cash in shovelware
Reminder that anyone who doesn't want Sonic to improve (or doesn't think he ever can improve) is a mariofag
>>146624551
>Anyone who disagrees with me is an *Insert thing I don't like here*
Epic.
>>146624375
How come Shadow was allowed to keep his shoes but Sonic wasn't?
>>146624590
>le goat simulator
>>146624703
It'd be better than another 06 or Rise of Lyric
>>146624756
Or they can make a good game and you can stop being a pessimistic emofag.
>>146624857
Yeah but how likely are they to make a good game? Remember, people thought they finally had it together after Generations and then Sonic 4 episode 2 and Lost World happened. And then Rise of Lyric happened after Sega went full retard and allowed it to happen
>>146624926
I don't think they'll fuck up for their anniversary. It will be fine. Quit being an emofag.
>>146624493
>Mario and Sonic at the [X] Olympic Games
just a fun little sports crossover game with plenty of references to old games
Nintendo clearly collaborated, but anyway, id a sellout can be that enjoyable a game, I don't see why we shouldn't have more
>>146624664
he "died" and soap figured it'd be disrespectful to take a dead lifeform's shoes, and when he turned out not to be, they had already forgottenmeme magic
>>146624996
>It'll be fine
>He says as they haven't announced anything in 3 years and we are likely not getting anything until 2017
>He says as the franchise is at its lowest point since 2006
What reality do you live in where Sonic's in a good place?
>>146624493
>fallen back into his old ways again, getting worse and worse each time
What mistakes from Sonic '06 were replicated in Sonic Lost World? Were there an incredible amount of glitches? Were there tons of unnecessary playable characters that controlled horribly? Was the camera complete trash? I fail to see how Sonic Team has "fallen into their old ways". And Boom was a spin off game made by a completely different company. It is about as relevant as Sonic Rivals, and saying that it is an indication of the quality of the franchise going forward is laughable.
>>146625131
Still a lot better than Sonic during the gap between 3&K and SA1.
Wait until July 22 you impatient fuck
>>146625315
>Still a lot better than Sonic during the gap between 3&K and SA1.
At least the game prior to that hiatus was good.
At least Sonic wasn't a complete laughingstock then
>>146625280
No, the mistake of "let's throw shit at the wall and see what fits instead of refining what we had" which this franchise can't stop making. Except with Unleashed-Colors-Generations but then they went full retard again
sketched these during the joypolis stream last night
>>146624354
>>146625513
Pretty good sketches you have there anon.
Thoughts on the Ice and Fire gameplay from the stream?
>>146625513
Basically what happened to me.
>>146625858
At some points it kind of looked like they were trying to copy Generations.
>tfw they copy Gens in F&I and make the anniversary game shit to make people flock to Boom
>>146625497
Experimentation isn't necessarily a bad thing anon. It's how you execute the new ideas that you came up with that matters. At the time, Super Mario 64 was a highly experimental game, and a big departure from what was done previously with the Mario series. The series departed from the standard formula of just getting to the goal and instead opted for a mission based structure. The game was more nonlinear than before, not only in the levels but also in progression. You could do latter missions before you do earlier ones, and you could skip over some levels entirely if you had a high enough star count. Not to mention how the controls changed, Mario now had a punch, a kick, a slide, a sideflip, and a backflip. It was a huge change, but it payed off in the end. Basically what I'm saying is, it doesn't matter what changes from game to game, as long as the core idea of the series is intact and as long as they execute it well.
>>146626637
It is when you can't even nail down a single gameplay style. Super Mario 64 was experimental, but every game built upon that foundation almost point for point while also adding things to it. After arguably SA2, Sonic never had a core gameplay style, a core identity. Here's something to wrap your head around. If Nintendo went as long as Sega did without announcing a Mario game, there wouldn't be nearly as much anxiety, because people know what to expect from both 2d and 3d Mario at this point. The same cannot be said for Sonic, and that's a bad thing.
>>146624996
I don't know. They messed up their 15th anniversary pretty spectacularly. This anniversary is shaping up to be similar if you think about it.
The last two 'big' games that came before Sonic 06 were Heroes (mixed reception) and Shadow (negative). 06 was massively hyped and turned out to be a huge disappointment.
The two most recent 'big' Sonic games as of now were Lost World (mixed) and Boom (negative). The new game is being hyped by Sega, just like 06.
It's like they have a cycle. Make a good game > get kind of lazy and make mediocre game(s) > rush something out the door just to have something to sell for the holiday > "we'll try harder next time, honest!" > make a good game > ....
I'm hopeful that Sega has legitimately learned their lesson by now but I won't be shocked if the anniversary game is bad. I want the next game to be good so badly. I actually feel bad posting this. I just want to like Sonic games again. I want this franchise to not be a joke.
Gens is only good if you mod in fun levels.
>>146626846
>but every game built upon that foundation almost point for point while also adding things to it
If what you're doing is implying that every 3D Mario game after 64 built upon it then you would be wrong. Sunshine removed Mario's mobility for the nozzle, Galaxy removed even more in return for the spin, and 3D World simply removed most movement options from Mario's moveset in order to streamline the arcadey gameplay for 4 players. If anything Mario has been regressing from its foundations in order to experiment with different gameplay elements.
Is the BTA extras open yet? I wanna get my Bean Mean Machine, Sonic Spinball and Sonic 3 Complete.
>>146627254
The controls were still the same throughout each game, with only minor things being added or subtracted. Mario still had the triple jump, the levels were still somewhat similar. If I played 64 I can jump right into Sunshine with the same skills I had there. I can't do that for say Unleashed and Lost World or Heroes and Colors. Even if Mario's experimenting, the core is still solid so they can get away with what they do. You still know what to expect from any given Mario game. You don't with Sonic
>>146627461
The core of Mario is also a lot simpler than Sonic's core.
>>146627526
It's also a lot better
>>146627418
Couple more days.
>>146627561
Nah
>>146627686
Yes it is. Mario as a series is objectively better than Sonic. I prefer Sonic, but in terms of being a game franchise, it's really not that amazing
I wish Sega would release something we could enjoy soon. It wouldn't even have to be something huge, imagine if they suddenly came out with a Generations level we could import to the game or something, it would blow everyone away.
>>146627878
Nah ,it has more good games and is more consistent in terms of quality. Even then the bad Mario games aren't legendarily bad like Sonic. When 2 of your games (06 and Rise of Lyric) are contenders for the worst game ever made, you really can't say your franchise is that great
>>146627758
While the series is better overall, that's not what I'm talking about. We're talking about the core of each series. Sonic's is better.
>>146628001
Sonic's the better character though.
>>146628035
The core of Mario is objectively better. It's resulted in better games and has better mechanics. I enjoy Sonic's more. Even then, what the hell is Sonic's core? Going fast? Platforming? Exploration? It's confused as fuck and inconsistent at best
>>146628001
Honestly only 06 is up for that medal, Shadow is much worse than RoL.
>>146628035
Sonic doesn't have a core, that's the problem.
>first we had to deal with pessimistic emofags
>now we're dealing with le objective mariofag
LE OBJECTIVE! FACTS!
>>146627526
>>146627561
I'd argue that the core of Sonic is better than Mario, but Mario has always executed it's games in a way that not only perfected the core gameplay of the series but also expanded on it with titles like Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. Sonic meanwhile, has barely scratched the surface of its potential. Only Sonic 3 & Knuckles really showed of the full potential of Sonic to me. If Sega was only more competent, Sonic would easily be able to exceed Mario in both quality and scope.
>>146628250
Are you just using buzzwords to try and discredit people you disagree with without actually presenting an argument?
>>146628271
Sonic has a ton of potential, a lot more than Mario I agree but it never had a core because it doesn't know what it wants to BE. If it had a core, then it could very well be the best platforming franchise ever, but that ain't happening.
Can't sleep.
Have best character doodle.Ok after Ian's Eggman and Boom Eggman shhhh.
>>146628131
It's only resulted in better games because it's easier to create games around it. That does not make it better. The fact that Sonic's core even includes momentum and expansive physics puts it above Mario's regardless of the quality of the games built around that core.
>>146628223
There are far less mainline games that lack physics than have them.
>>146628271
Too bad his games got rushed out for most of the franchise's life. Working properly with what makes Sonic Sonic takes time.
>>146628379
It has a core. It's always had a core. Or were you born after 2006 or something?
>>146628463
Archie or Boom Eggman? Who's best?
>>146628512
>It has a core. It's always had a core. Or were you born after 2006 or something?
What is the core of Sonic? Tell me right now. Is it speed? Platforming? Exploration? Speed based platforming? Treasure hunting? Or one of the other million things Sonic has tried to do to find some sort of identity?
>>146628603Fishing
your opinion on maple hill zone
>>146628603
I think you should focus more on a core school curriculum and learn how to read the rest of my post.
>>146628512
>There are far less mainline games that lack physics than have them.
Irrelevant if the games don't take advantage of them. Of the mainline Sonic games, "momentum-based platforming" applies only to the Genesis-era games. The rest of the games can be divided into "quick 3D platforming" from Adventure to 06, boost from Unleashed to Generations, and whatever the fuck Lost World was. Sonic does not have a steady core, and that hits at the heart of the franchise's issues.
Side games, spin-offs and handhelds aren't as relevant as mainline console games when it comes to evaluating a franchise.
>>146628759
Your post didn't answer my question. You just said what it includes than what it actually is. And even then, anone of the 3D games incorporate physics or momentum all that well. They're built on spectacle and speed, except for Lost World which is pure platforming. Even if this franchise had a core, it flat out ignores it
>>146628585
this madman
>>146628772
Sonic has involved momentum physics in all the Genesis games, the Advance series, the Adventure series, (to its detriment) 06, and half of Gens.
>>146628881
You're not very smart. Sonic's core has always been momentum based platforming and his games have contained that to some degree from his inception all the way up to 06 and including part of Gens. Do you just ignore things that exist and exclaim that they don't so people have to waste their time explaining what doesn't need to be explained?
>>146628585
Hard choice man.
Ian's Eggman has the master plan, it's what he am. A harsh bastard who cares about no-one but himself and will throw people under a bus to get his way and would enjoy it.
But Boom Eggman is just so fucking great. Best humour, chill guy, will drop everything to help Tails because bro-code, geeks out over Shadow, shouts not cool at people, best man.
>>146629038
>You're not very smart. Sonic's core has always been momentum based platforming and his games have contained that to some degree from his inception all the way up to 06 and including part of Gens.
Ah yes, the momentum based platforming that was barely fucking present, and outright negated with the boost in Generations. Try playing the Adventure games again, they rarely rely on momentum, nor does Heroes, Shadow, or 06. 3D Sonic ignores this "core" entirely. Are you trying to claim things exist when they don't?
>>146629210
>and outright negated with the boost in Generations
There you go ignoring the existence of things again. Classic Sonic is in that game and he does contain some degree of momentum physics.
>they rarely rely on momentum
As someone that generally dislikes everything from SA1 to 06, not counting the handhelds, this is untrue. It doesn't require a halfpipe in order for momentum physics to be a part of the core gameplay.
>but it doesn't exist
Do you have mental blinkers on or something?
>>146629038
>the Adventure series, (to its detriment) 06
False. Platforming was extremely basic and half of the levels were automated sequences consisting of dash pads, spring sequences, homing attack chains, and later grind rails. Momentum was an almost non-existent element of the gameplay.
>and half of Gens.
Also false, classic Gens gameplay had a very gimped physics engine more reminiscent of Sonic 4 than the Genesis games, the level design didn't incorporate momentum at all, and the spin dash completely broke the game.
>>146629478
>There you go ignoring the existence of things again. Classic Sonic is in that game and he does contain some degree of momentum physics.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Classic and the gimped roll and broken spindash which also negates the momentum entirely. Good call
>>146629478
>As someone that generally dislikes everything from SA1 to 06, not counting the handhelds, this is untrue. It doesn't require a halfpipe in order for momentum physics to be a part of the core gameplay.
No but it does require needing momentum to progress with the level, which they don't do.
>Do you have mental blinkers on?
Do you
>>146629478
Just because a game has a physics engine doesn't mean the gameplay is based around momentum-based platforming, otherwise you might as well say nearly every platformer ever has the same "core" as Sonic.
>>146629210
Heroes, Shadow, and 06 are outliers that were made at a time when the series was rapidly declining in quality. Are you really going to say that those games represent the core of the series? And are you really trying to say that the Adventure games don't use momentum? Perhaps you should take a better look at the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9TjUKISnbU
>>146629526
>it wasn't utilized to its fullest even though it's still a part of how the game plays so it just doesn't exist
And this is where I stop having conversations with the blind. Makes me wonder how you guys spellcheck your posts if you accidentally hit the wrong braille key.
>>146629636
The momentum has a cap. Does not mean it doesn't exist.
>which they don't do
Then I guess Sonic 2 and 3&K aren't momentum based platformers either then. What kind of fucking arbitrary standard are you using to judge whether something contains momentum physics or not? Because it certainly isn't whether it has them or not.
>>146629684
It doesn't matter if the levels are made around it, if the foundation of the game contains it then it's a momentum-based platformer and contains the core of Sonic. Period. What is so hard about understanding something so simple?
>>146629939
>Are you really going to say that those games represent the core of the series?
What I'm saying is that Sonic has no fucking core. The supposed "core" this series you tout only existed for 3 games
As for the second part, please, please refer to >>146629526
>>146630017
And you're a retard for thinking it has no core when it blatantly does. Even if it's not utilized fully or is barely utilized at all, if it's present in the foundation of the game, it contains the core of Sonic. This is a black and white scenario. Either a game does or doesn't contain the core of Sonic. And the ones that do have been pointed out without being actually refuted.
>>146630002
>>146630170
By your logic, the vast majority of platformers since the dawn of video games have the same core as Sonic because they have a working physics engine. Even Mario. So then what is the core of Sonic that makes it distinct from other platformers?
>>146630002
>Then I guess Sonic 2 and 3&K aren't momentum based platformers either then. What kind of fucking arbitrary standard are you using to judge whether something contains momentum physics or not? Because it certainly isn't whether it has them or not.
In those games I can roll down a hill and gain speed. I can't do that in the 3d games or Generations or utilize momentum to gofast. What's so hard to understand? Or are you trying so hard to convince everyone you're right and that Sonic is such a wonderful fucking franchise that you can't see the truth?
>>146630170
They have been refuted, you just choose to ignore them. Sonic has no core. End of story. The "core" hasn't been present for over 2 decades now. You're a fucking idiot
>>146630278
Actually by my logic only games that have emphasis on movement physics contain the core of Sonic. And aside from Sonic, only a few do and Mario is not one of them.
>>146630292
>In those games I can roll down a hill and gain speed. I can't do that in the 3d games or Generations or utilize momentum to gofast
>I can't do that in the Adventure games
>I can't do that with Classic Sonic in Gens
Confirmed retard.
>you just choose to ignore them
Jolly coming from the guy that chooses to ignore shit and act like he's right about anything. Sit down and don't speak again until you're told to. And while you're at it, actually go play the Adventure games and realize how wrong you are.
>>146619428
I miss early 2000's
>>146619557
I hopped over quite bit of good music
I just postedwhat I listened most
>>146630610
>Confirmed retard.
IF that's the best argument you can come up with then you're retarded. You haven't played the games. You can roll down a hill in Generations, but you barely gain any speed
>>146630610
>Jolly coming from the guy that chooses to ignore shit and act like he's right about anything. Sit down and don't speak again until you're told to. And while you're at it, actually go play the Adventure games and realize how wrong you are.
Funny you accuse me of doing that when you're doing the exact same thing. I'd advise you do the same. While you're at it, go play a Mario game and see what a good game is like. Not even Mario, literally any platformer besides Sonic
>>146630610
>Actually by my logic only games that have emphasis on movement physics contain the core of Sonic
So then there have been zero (0) mainline Sonic games after S&K that have contained he core of Sonic.
>>146624504
>Fleetway Sally
>>146624504
SAVAGE
>>146628585
Can't beat master plan
>>146630807
There is no argument to be had. You're straight wrong. In both Adventure games and Classic Gens you roll down hills and gain speed and utilizing momentum also nets you speed. Denying that they do not only makes you wrong and a retard but shows that you don't even play the games, making your opinion even more worthless than it already was at that point.
Hard to ignore what is easily observable.
>le Sonic is bad
I play platformers of all kinds but you're pretty retarded if you're going to claim Sonic is the worst of the worst. But at this point you're just another shitposter. Enjoy being forever wrong, retard.
>>146630890
Except for Adventure, Adventure 2, Shadow, and Classic Gens. They still contain an emphasis on movement physics. It doesn't matter that they're not as apparent as the Genesis games, they are still contained within the movement in the game thus is still contains the core of Sonic. This is basic logic. Please do not fail at comprehending basic logic. I don't wanna have to think poorly of two anons in one night.
>>146631387
>I play platformers of all kinds but you're pretty retarded if you're going to claim Sonic is the worst of the worst. But at this point you're just another shitposter. Enjoy being forever wrong, retard.
He's not the worst of the worst, but he's not that good either. Enjoy being objectively wrong though and living in your fantasy world where Sonic's consistently good and the best game's he's produced in the past 20 years aren't literally hold right to win/press X to win games that require little to no skill because that's the only way Sonic can work in 3D. Sonic is objectively sub par as a franchise and it's never going to be above "average" because it never really was
You're right, there is no argument, because I'm right. Generations rolling nets you less speed than straight up running and denying that makes you doubly retarded.
Sonic was never good now both of you shut the fuck up
>>146631605
>calls me objectively wrong when he's so wrong that just watching footage of someone moving around the overworld in SA1 proves him completely wrong
Next time choose an argument that isn't factually wrong and you won't get shit on and then laughed at.
>Sonic was never above average
Except for that era of games where he was one of the best. But then again I don't know why I expected you to not ignore the existence of something.
>BUT IM RIIIIIIGHT I AAAAAAAAAAAAAM I AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
This is you. Believe whatever you like. Ignorance is bliss and that is something you personally know very well.
>>146631915
>This is you. Believe whatever you like. Ignorance is bliss and that is something you personally know very well.
It's funny, you're trying to describe me with this post but you're doing a better job describing yourself
>Except for that era of games where he was one of the best. But then again I don't know why I expected you to not ignore the existence of something.
Yeah, those 5 years of 2 alright games and 2 good games totally made him one of the best. After that he was average at very best and some of the worst shit out there at worst
>Next time choose an argument that isn't factually wrong and you won't get shit on and then laughed at.
There you go again describing yourself
Someone just dump porn and kills this thread please
>>146625513
I resembled this last night
>still arguing
This is my first warning for you to stop.
>>146632083
>no u
>NO U DX
You just keep stacking evidence against yourself, anon. Keep it up. You're doing better than me at this point.
>>146628970
I loved this callback to the issue after Genesis.
>>146632260
>You just keep stacking evidence against yourself, anon. Keep it up. You're doing better than me at this point.
Once again, describing yourself perfectly. It's fucking amazing. Then again this is coming from someone who's convinced Sonic has a "core" and is not the most inconsistent joke of a platforming franchise outside of Bubsy
>>146631387
>These games contain a very basic amount of one thing, therefore this means they are exactly the same as these other games which revolved around that thing. This is basic logic, and I am very smart.
>>146632340
>>146632260
Second warning. Stop. arguing.
>>146632340
>no u
Truly the biggest brain in the thread. You know no equal.
>>146632367
Well, thank you for thinking so highly of me. But it's not actually that hard to understand what I said.
>>146632468
>>146632557
>Trying to be an internet tough guy
>>146632367
Shhh anon you're using actual logic. He can't understand that.
>>146632513
>Truly the biggest brain in the thread. You know no equal.
I know. Shame I have to share it with you. Sonic doesn't have a core and he'll never have a core. He'll never be good again because he hasn't been that good for 20 years now
