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C U T E edition!

>Official Site:
http://warthunder.com/

NOTE: You get given a premium aircraft for your first victory in game!
Need a faster download? Switch Language in Launcher.

>Wiki with Release Trees and General Tactics:
http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php

>Fan created skins, missions, locations, fictions etc...
http://live.warthunder.com/ (Warning! Pure weeaboo and horsefucker autism abound)

>Ammunition Types
http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Category:Ammunition

>All the Air RB/SB maneuvers you would want to know + Engine thingamabobs:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=200974026

>Every Airplane Instrument Panel translated
http://www.mediafire.com/view/q4nybrogygdchdb/ND's_aircraft_reference_guide.pdf

>Youtube Channel with Tutorials and Gameplay Videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/galahadgawain/playlists

>Steam community:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/warthundervg

>vg chatroom:
Type " /join vg " into chatbox.
If prompted for a password, use "memes".

>Teamspeak
ts.gaijin.net
password is "Spitfire"

>Joystick Comparisons:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/display/joystick-roundup_8.html

>DIY Headtracking
http://www.pcgamer.com/how-to-build-your-own-ir-head-tracker/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161710468074

>Chart displaying weapon effectiveness against ground units
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H1_cSnYKSKbU6Giql2bMDdFoXefeq6ENWuvjQbtquMs
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Threadly reminder

http://pockrtplanesairways.tumblr.com/
https://www.reddit.com/u/pockrtplanesairways
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>>145116663
Fuck off Kartoffeln
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>>145116663
3rd for cute boys!
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>>145116864
No one cares.
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>>145117190
C U T E ~ !
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>playing RB slavs
>3 B-29s on enemy team
>no Tu-4s
what
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>>145117251
>pockrt popping flares
>>>/reddit/

>>145117271
:3
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>>145117382
Yes, that's me. Whatever lets you sleep at night.
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>>145117382
>ywn either fuck or become one of them

Why live?
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>>145117494
>pockrt crying like a baby that he's getting bullied
lmao
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>>145117587
So you can find a qt bf of course anon :3
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>>145117251
>>145117494
>false flagging as me
ebin
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>>145117651
But , how? ;_;

>>145117714
Noone cares about you reddit
We just like roasting you
Now , get out
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>>145117775
meet people I guess. If you meet enough people you'll be sure to find someone nice to snuggle up with :3
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>>145117775
>gayposter
>telling me to get out
your opinion is invalid
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>>145117896
this

Faggots get out
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>>145117714
>>145117896
>pockrt whining about thread culture
typical newfag redditor
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>>145117887
Can I snuggle with you anon?

>>145117896
>leddit
>telling me that my opinion is invalid

lmao tumblarina go back to SJWarrioring and xDing with your plebbit friendos
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>>145117957
>muh thread culture
>he has to resort to forced memes
hilarious
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>>145117957
I bet that the earliest you started posting here was late 2014.
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>>145118029
of course!

>>145118037
ok pockrt
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>gayposter and ledditor flinging shit at each other

we're off to a great start
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>>145118276
gayposters plural, thanks very much.
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>>145118250
What is your steam account anon? :3
I will ERP for GE , or cuddles
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>>145118331
>plural
sure
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>>145118339
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198055372875/
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>>145118461
but , it is plural
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>>145118339
no I'll get bullied ;__;

>>145118489
This is not me!
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>>145118545
>what is inspect element
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>>145118339
O-Oh , a-add me anon!
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Debts_or_Death
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>>145118635
what did he mean by this?
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>>145118635
>

Lad , I have to do both inspect element , fill the other 4chanx shit in , and all of that in less than a minute

It is humanely impossible


>>145118590
You won't get bullied , we are all friends here!
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>>145118708
>ywn lick HAF_Pilot's soft feet dipped in tzatziki sauce
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>>145118858
>he has to use 4chanx
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T29 is hit or miss ;-;
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>>145118946
>he doesn't use 4chanx

lmao leddit
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>>145119029
>being so autistic that you have to have multiple threads on one tab
kek
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what happened to steam login?
why is it gone
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>>145119371
>mind_geek on the right
lmao
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>>145119209
But , there is nothing more comfy than posting on all shorts of boards and generals!

>>145119371
>mind_geek on the right
>messer in the left , sitting alone like a lone shitskin
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>need to rearm
>fucked up landing
>crash
>made it close enough to not kick me out of my plane
>lets me repair with my wings missing
>everything goes better than excepted.
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>>145119572
>posting on generals completely irrelevant to you
lmao
and a non-autistic person just has multiple tabs open
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>>145119871
>generals completely irrelevant to me

I don't geddit lad
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>there are people in this general RIGHT NOW who aren't gay
lmao enjoy getting cucked by women
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WATCH OUT

THE NEXT POST WILL BE A MADE POSTED BY DOUG
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>>145120641
>liking disgusting penises
k
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WATCH OUT

THE NEXT POST WILL BE TRIAHX
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>>145120734
Get out Doug

>>145120641
Absolutely
This
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>>145120734
FUCK OFF DOUG

>>145120754
DELET THIS MISTAK
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>>145120754
If only cancer could be erased with a really big eraser...
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>>145120754
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There really is no saving this general.
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>>145120734
>he doesn't like the benis
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>>145121120
>he doesn't like a woman's curves
enjoy your shit taste m8
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>>145121104

Not unless the game improves.

So yeah, pretty much no chance.
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>>145121237
>you can only like one or the other
LMAOing @ ur lyf
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>>145121237
>he fell for the vaginal jew
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>>145121317
>being a special snowflake
please go back to tumblr
>>145121381
>implying I don't fuck her in the ass
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>>145120754
Ok triahx
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>>145121556
>implying she won't cuck you
>implying she won't divorce you if you dare marry her , then ask for alimony

lmao , straight goyim , they never learn
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>>145121845
>getting married
lmao
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>>145121820
fuck off grouchy
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TU-4 needs an uptier
discuss.
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>just noticed the IT-1 is a medium tank
hwat
>>145122114
would be fine at 6.7 or even 7.0
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>>145121936
Literally ok triahx
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>is3 can now be killed via the exposed turret ring
i guess i wont be driving that anymore on 7.3
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We dem boys
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>>145122114
It should be at 7.0, and even then I think it would still be insane, because of its firepower. It would be a better IL-28 even despite its speed and size
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>670000 module research points for this

i'm glad it's over

who else thoughts of suicide here
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welp, i've ran out of money to repair my tank.

I guess that's game over for me.


cya lads
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>>145123459
>update to Ace
>costs GE
wat
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>>145123474
Why you shitty
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I picked up Russian planes this week and honestly am having a hard time believing how insanely broken they are

Every engine pulls so much energy out of thin air you'd think they have a dark matter scoop, Yak-9 flies perfectly ok with every surface yellow or red, the 20mms get shitloads of fragmentation damage that is basically guaranteed to rape their planes to death with leaks and engine yellowings even if it doesn't kill them, etc.

I-185 and the LA- planes are probably the most retarded things I've ever seen, even worse than HO 229 when it was 6.7 or F2H at 7.0
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>>145123647

you can free ace now

it just takes module research points now )))
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>>145122114

TU-4 would be fine if heavy fighters actually behaved how they're supposed to (ie. get an airspawn rather than languishing forever at low altitude thanks to their shit climbrate)

I have a spaded 262 A1/U4, you cannot physically go up to bomber altitude before a TU-4 nukes all the bases. Win or loss is dependent on whether your team's suicidal arados can kill the TU-4s (spoilers: they never can, TU-4 survives even 2-3x 50mm HE minengeschoss shells on average)
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>(Stirling) has lost the tail control.
>(Stirling) has lost the tail control.
>(Stirling) suffers damages of tail.
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What plane should I use if I want to make all Tu-4s fucking suffer?
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>>145124756
A Tu-4

play it as a gunship
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>>145124756
Me-262 A1/U4 or F7F
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>>145124756

Ki-83
F7F
262 A1/U4
If you can aim, the F-84
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>>145124505
The ninja nerf of all guns is ridiculous.

Just had a match of 2 F4F and a P-51 firing at a Wellington. We all three ran out of ammo and he kept flying.
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>>145124938
>Me-262 A1/U4

I just explained in >>145123914 why this doesn't work. You literally cannot climb to TU-4s before they hit every base.
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>>145125795
23s seem to be fine
if anything they're better than before
>>145126053
>he can't climb
>in a fucking jet
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>>145126131
262 has a lower climbrate than fucking p-47

but sure /r/warthunder pal, it must be sooper dooper gud at climbing cause its a jet!!!
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>>145126217
>worse climbrate than a P-47
that can't be historical
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262s used to have historical engine performance then it got nerfed after bearcat children cried about being outran
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Adding tu4 before adding the de havilland hornet was a mistake.
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>>145126710
what does that have to do with anything
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>>145126816
not enough german hand holding
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>spitniggers
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>>145126816
Britbong wet dreams.
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>tfw IL-10 squid with Helmet
is fun
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>>145127102
Literally fuck off pocket you little nigger
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>>145127318
wow rude
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>>145127102
>>145127026
>tfw i suck at planes
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>>145127318
okay vegeta
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>russians are rangebanned
Will gaijin get nuked soon?
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epic
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>>145127831
>A nigger and a pedo vs the two worst people in this general
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>>145127102
Day of the rope for pocketplanes and helmet potato when?
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>>145128201
>nigger and a pedo
what
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>>145128304
>Pedo under 'irredeemable'

It's literally normalfag tier.
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>>145128548
I'm pretty sure the whole chart is just for (you)s, anon.
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>simulator gf doesn't force you to play in driver mode, commander, and gunner only

why
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>>145129016
because reasons
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I literally can't keep up with the repair costs of a Teeb T4.

>uptiered every single match
>oh some IS-3/T-54 one shot you
>down 10k
>repeat
>lucky if i get one kill over a german + soviet combined clubbing team

I even have premium for fucks sake and I can't keep up with these costs because of this constant uptiering and bullshit one shot while I have to shoot germans and soviets almost always multiple times to kill unless i can get lucky and get on their sides
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>literally, actually playing tanks for any reason
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>people crying about bombers
>try to play a bomber
>T2
>nearing enemy base
>oh an inceptor climbed up to and raped your entire plane
>gunners do shit for damage

what a life
>>
>75% of my deaths are related to tail control loss
why
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>>145130232
ANGLES
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>>145130254
>Doesn't play what people are bitching about
>Proceeds to make self look retarded
Oh is it Pockrtplanes posting hour?
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I want to get off Mr. Tupolev's Wild Ride.
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>>145130416
>"look kids, I posted it again"
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>>145130416
Yeah, let me just buy a T4 bomber instantly, fucking idiot.
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>>145130493
>Look I can drop memes when they aren't appropriate
pocket pocket pocket, when will you learn?
>>145130503
>Not already having it
Fucking shitter
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>>145130254
99% of bombers are useless, and the 1% that aren't are OP as shit and get nerfed to be useless

>>145130654
>>145130416
Isn't it time to go to bed Vegeta, you've been shitposting all day.
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>>145130654
nice post, vegeta
is pockrt your new triahx?
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>>145130775
>>145130791
Literally okay pocket
Maybe you should have your mom make some tendies and uninstall your browser, that'll show 'em how tough you are!
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>>145130946
>let me namedrop to avoid the question and he might just forget
hilarious
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>>145130946
okay vegeta
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Vegeta wants to fuck, The Three Stooges.
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?
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>>145131056
>>145131074
>Pocket doubleposting to seem like he has friends
Just stop, it's embarassing
>to avoid the question
>there wasn't a question
Are you fucking retarded?
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??
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>>145131359
okay vegeta
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>>145131359
>god forbid anyone else hate vegeta's shitposting, it can only be one person
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>>145131471
>>145131478
>namedrop some more to cover up my stupidity
Jesus christ pocket, the posts are a minute apart for both your Mac and phone.
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???
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>>145131573
nice autism
literally go to bed vegeta
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>>145116663
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/161710468074
Why doesn't whomever made this incorporate a microphone?
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>>145131604
Ayy
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>>145131790
Why would they? It's for head tracking. It's not as big as you think it is either. The big boom doesn't extend far enough for a mic on the end to make sense.
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>>145132023
idk dude if you're gonna have an extra wire you might as well throw a mic on there
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Pockrt reminds me a lot of Triahx in the bad way

Like the constant shitting up the threading by arguing with Vegeta, or easily taking any bait.
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>>145132259
okay vegeta
>>
I think I might research the Conqueror first before chieftain, why shouldn't I?
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>>145132228
Right but the booms are not very long. It doesn't make sense to put mics there because they're still really far from your mouth.

if you end up buying one of those for headtracking let me know in the thread, I have a Google drive link for the driver you need for the PS3 EYE.
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>>145132607
Because the Conqueror is pretty much a british M103
Chieftain is fucking point-and-click mode
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>fire an entire magazine of 4x 20mm and 4x 7.92 at B-25
>don't even do any major damage, don't even set him on fire
>get lit on fire and killed by his magical fiddies
Okay
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>>145132774
but chieftain is so much rp ;_;
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>>145132906
is the conqueror not also?
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>>145133123
chieftain has a tank before it while the conqueror doesnt.

basically 670k vs 380k
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>>145130490
>Mr. Tupolev's Wild Ride
>posted with my Comrade Boeing stamp on the foot pedals
Bomber cockpits when?
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>>145133430
play IL-28 or B-57/Canberra tovarisch)))))))))))))))
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>pockrt playing planes with helmet
I didn't think Helmet could stoop so low
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>>145133525
B-57s DONT HAVE COCKPITS.

It's literally just Peshkas, IL-28s and EE garbage.
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>>145133675
what?
canberra definitely has a cockpit
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>>145133532
okay triahx
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>>145134007
English Electric ones do, Martin ones don't. I've told you this before, Helmet.
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>>145134135
>triahx
Fuck off Vegeta
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>>145134135
okay vegeta
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>>145134135
>Triahx
kys vegeta
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>>145134981
and how are you gonna do that?
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American 8.0 is literally unplayable, M551 spam means we lose every game
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>>145135331
>tanks
>>
what the fuck is a shrapnel shell that soviets geT?
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I just found out the 109 E1 is 2.0 now.

Holy fucking shit.

Dead Yanks and Poms everywhere.
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>>145135785
>jets
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>>145135857
Basically the perfect place between HE and AP for murdering the extra fuck out of light armor or SPAA
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>>145136112
>the time has come and so have I
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>>145136112
>2 seconds later someone activated a blind hunt and it targeted potato and not me
my sides
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>>145136112
>>145136296
>>>/r/eddit
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Gettin' real sick of your bullshit, gaijin.
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>>145135249
R2Y2
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>>145136639
should have paid more!
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>>145136639

>planenigger mad he can't clickkill tanks anymore

planes in tanks was a mistake
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>playing teeb for over a month
>decide to play soviets now that i'm broke and can't continue
>APHE shells
>one shotting everything

I forgot how good these were. Why is there no like APHEDS?
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>>145136716
>posted from the three ZSUs in that match who at no point aimed upwards
>>
>start game
>hear the screeching of some sort of demon above me
>look up
>wyvern
Jesus.
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>>145137281
Wyvern doesn't even sound like a correct turboprop
it sounds like it's constantly idling
>>
reminder

http://pockrtplanesairways.tumblr.com/
https://www.reddit.com/u/pockrtplanesairways
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>>145137674
okay triahx
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>>145137674
thanks vegeta
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>>145137373
At least it doesn't make piston engine start up sounds like most jets, desu.
>>
New Star Wars VIII leaked fottage
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I had some retarded ps4fat call me retarded because in in [Linux] and got mad because "its not even a gaming os"
[Spoiler] jokes on him, I was playing on windows[/spoiler]
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>>145138790
I don't think there's a single OS specifically designed for gaming
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>>145138901
I don't expect a ps4 fag to know that
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>>145138901
SteamOS :^)
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Damn, the B-18 is good.

B-23 when?
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>>145138901
Also what is with this faggot posting boys instead of cute girls?
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>>145139130
Rude
t. PS4 fag
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>>145136112
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/4nk5bl/russian_bias/

You are honestly such a nigger pockrt.
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Hey guys I admit I was wrong about the Shinden.

I used to think it was so OP because its cannons always killed me and I could never catch up with it.

Now that the Tu-4 is the official cancer of WT I support anything that can give Tu-4 niggers repair bills.
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>>145139297
Helmet told me to post it, why should I deny him?
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>>145138790
Highlight the text you want to spoiler and press Ctrl + S next time senpai
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>>145139236
Fuck that, gib XB-19.
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>>145135857
A lot of fun to put through the side armor of Pz4s
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>tfw only 15% of the way to the sheriden
Can't be merry without the sherry, acing the M47 is hell
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>>145139297
>>145139362

>0 points

(((((((
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>>145139476
>2x37mms
kek
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>>145139348
F104s are pure sex

>>145139281
No offence

>>145139447
Phone posting from bed
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>>145139564
>got four extra hours at work over the weekend

Fuck that shit, I'm just going to jew my way to Sherry-chan

I value my time more than me money
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>>145139348

GIVE THEM THE REPAIR BILLS THEY DESERVE
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>>145130371
Because you let the enemy get behind you and shoot out your tail controls?
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>>145139967

Not the guy you're replying to but tail controls can be destroyed from any aspect people are shooting you from.

Your tail is going to get hit a lot if you're accelerating or the guy shooting at you doesn't put enough deflection into his shots.
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>>145139967
>he doesn't understand that hitting a tiny cable is nearly impossible yet it's the main cause of death
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>>145140150
>What is HE-Frag
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>>145140150
yes because it's impossible to shoot the tail or control surfaces themselves
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>>145140150

>HE doesn't exist
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>>145140150
>tiny cable couldn't possibly be vulnerable to explosions
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>Terror of the sky wager
>Tu-4
It was prophesied
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>>145139648
Lots of offense taken
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>>145140150
>shoot the stuff that keeps the cable under tension, in position, or the pulleys it holds on
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>>145140630
Well that's your problem
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>2016
>not using your ATGM to shoot down planes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM9uqCjCOqo&feature=youtu.be
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>>145141432
upvoted
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what
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>>145141773
The ATGMs on the Strv can explode

Why the kill the entire tank is beyond me though, bit stupid considering they're HEAT warheads.
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>>145141773
hit his ATGM and racked him
Strv.81 is shit
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>>145141773
>SPAA abuse

kill yourself
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>tfw can't buy midwing smoke cannisters
>tfw can't make the whole flag
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>>145142385
nice french flag
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>>145141853
HEAT still carries a lot of explosives. Up until this patch I felt comfortable taking HEAT rounds over HE in my loadouts because the explosive mass is usually higher.

When a ZSU57 takes 3 HEATFS rounds without dying though. They must have fucked it up.
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>>145142464
Yeah, not enough explosives to kill a tank with a non-contact, non-directed explosion though.
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>>145142445
Better?
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>>145142658
>italian flag
yes
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halp
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>>145143129
>BAC lightning
war thunder live link where
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>>145143129
Good. EE Lightning is an ugly plane.
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>>145143205
http://live.warthunder.com/post/362476/en/
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i have 7500 gold.

What do i spend it on.

Want something broken and that makes people angry
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>>145143324
>makes people angry
Just play the game. You'll eventually piss someone off anyway.
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>First flight: 1944
>4x 20mm Hispano V cannons, 760 shells in store
>Maximum speed: 764 km/h at 6,400 m
>Rate of climb: 4 minutes to 20,000 ft (average 25.4 m/s)
>De Havilland Hornet wing loading: 43.82 lb/ft2 (213.9 kg/m2)
>P-47 Thunderbolt wing loading for reference: 42.43 lb/ft2 (207 kg/m2)
>De Havilland Hornet power/mass: 0.271 hp/lb
>P-47 Thunderbolt power/mass: 0.204 hp/lb
>Grumman F8F Bearcat power/mass: 0.22 hp/lb

Eric 'Winkle' Brown, WW2-era test pilot and holder of the record for largest distinct number of aircraft flown, on the De Havilland Hornet:

https://books.google.com/books?id=hgA5AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT230&lpg=PT230

>De Havilland Hornet - overpowered perfection

>For aerobatics the Hornet was absolute bliss. The excess of power was such that manoeuvres in the vertical plane can only be described as rocket-like. Even with one propeller feathered the Hornet could loop with the best single-engine fighter (...)

>Perfection is seldom achieved, but if I was asked to pick out the nearest I've come to it in flying, I would not hesitate to select the DH hornet (...)

The F3 version is slated for the British release tree. What BR, /wtg/?
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>>145143704
6.3 obvs. It'll be loaded with so many fuel tanks in its wings it wont be any good, though.
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>pump zero full of fiddies
>nothing
>one 20mm hit
>mitchell instantly detonates
I love it
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>>145143704
7.7, must not be allowed to prey on TU-4 ))) overwhelming armament )

also secret documents tell that engines will overheat in 60 seconds of 100% throttle, due to inferior non soviet cooling system ))
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>>145143876
>4 hispanos
>overwhelming armament
because the Wyvern is 9.0, isn't it
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>>145143324
>I-153p
>300m gun convergence
>200m rocket airburst
the saltiest tears my friend
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>>145143984
Wing cannons and fuselage cannons aren't the same.
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>>145143704
This thing turns worse than a P-47. We're talking about War Thunder here, instant turn radius or ded.
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>>145143858
>armored target ammo
use universal, more incendiary
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>>145144021
Thank you for the advice dear gunner
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When will we get historically accurate soviet-nazi cooperation?
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I will spend $200 on GE if they remove the kugel and ZSU-57-2 from the game.
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>>145144270
I am using universal ammo you dumbass
who the fuck uses armored targets for their gunners
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>>145144539
tanks is already soviets + nazi vs allies as is
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>>145144539
OF DELETE THIS
CУКA
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>>145144539
DELETE THIS!
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>>145144606
People like me who fly their bombers as AC-130 gun ships and shoot ground units.
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>>145144539
>all the aryan officers like half a foot taller than the russian underslav mudgene bullet fodder
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>>145144690
the only things you can reliably pen doing that are lightly armored and unarmored targets
you don't need armored targets
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>>145144740
they are also more handsome :3
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>>145143704
It's gonna be 6.3 and will face mostly jets, but imagine flying this thing in T4 EC where jets aren't allowed. It'd be impossible to die unless you're retarded, especially given you can't face Griffonspits since it's a British plane.
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>>145144791
whatever works for you
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>>145144539
>t. I like fighting IT-1s and leos at the same time
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>>145144740
>>145144872
>they also lost to them

Never forget the important details friends : ^)
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>>145144740
having shit nutrition for generations tends to do that
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>>145145149
agreed, it only took 22 heroic soviet lives to kill one single german, incredible efficiency and war prowess from the russians
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>>145145260
>26,865 German deaths to 616,304 Soviet deaths

Just fuckavich my shit up. Seriously how does that even happen? And Germany was outnumbered too according to that image.
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>>145145260
what battle was this and who won
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>>145145518
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_(1941)
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>>145145260
>The Germans claimed 600,000 Red Army soldiers captured
>616,304 dead or captured

Nice to see accurate record keeping. By being vague you could do pretty much anything with the prisoners.
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